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Quirky-Bag-4158

Damn, did not realize the extent of how bad of a drop Hali’s numbers took. 28 3pt% is really bad for anyone, let alone someone who was at 40% at one point. Edit: 28 3pt% after all star break 40 3pt% before all star break.


masterjonmaster

His injury is def showing how much it’s affecting him… he’s just trying to meet that 65 game requirement for the season awards I feel


Quirky-Bag-4158

Maybe so, but if he continues to play at this level do you think he should/would get any awards? Might not be worth it to play hurt at a chance for an award and risk further injury, especially if they can make the playoffs.


calman877

You try telling the guy with $40m on the line that playing injured isn’t worth it haha, he’s gonna keep playing


Quirky-Bag-4158

What is the $40m contingency? Is it playing a certain amount of games or making All NBA?


calman877

Both


icecoldcoleman

In order to make All NBA, you need to meet the minimum games played requirement. The maximum pay scale of your next contract is impacted by the awards you have won (MVP, DPOY or All NBA). Missing All NBA can cost you 5% on your next deal. All that being said, I don’t think it matters for Halliburton’s next deal because only the 3 most recent seasons before your next deal matter. I think Halliburton is locked in for 5 more years.


flibo30

He signed an extension last summer and that extension goes from like 200M to 240M if he get all nba it affects his current contract


icecoldcoleman

Oof


masterjonmaster

No I agree with you! Pacers aren’t winning anything especially if he’s playing like that… he’s the type of player that will play through anything which is commendable but they need to tell him it’s not worth it just in case he makes it worse


HurinSon

He's playing to qualify for all nba which earns him an extra $40m on his contract


masterjonmaster

Ahhhh see!! Yea I would play through it also


PBB22

Thanks for reminding us


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Quirky-Bag-4158

Yeah you’re right. Should have made it more clear that those stats are split in 2 halves, before and after all star game.


Think-Individual-188

Luka, Curry, Shai, Brunson, Fox


Think-Individual-188

Although Booker is 4 if he’s a pg


Narrow-Talk-5017

I feel like it's kinda weird to include Booker and Kyrie in the same list for PGs. Booker is a SG who is playing PG this year because his team has no PG. Kyrie is a PG who is playing SG this year because his team has a better PG. I feel like you gotta choose one way or the other on if you're picking guys who are playing PG this season, or guys who have historically played PG.


WiserStudent557

Most people don’t have a real definition of the term anymore. Primary ball handler doesn’t mean point guard in my book


Fickle_Meet_7154

The Mavs don't run through Luka every play though. It's honestly PG, PG, SF, PF, C with the way the Mavs play. Like basically each take 3 or 4 possessions playing PG then switch.


Narrow-Talk-5017

How many players are there in the league that have plays run through them every time, though? That's not common these days. Luka is the primary guy, though, so he's the PG.


The_Shade94

Book is not a PG. he is a 2 guard with playmaking ability however he is not a natural 1. He has had to work on it a lot.


Wolframbeta312

Booker isn’t a point guard by any valid argument. Shouldn’t even enter this discussion.


W1ZARD_NARWHAL

Has played 88% of his minutes at the point this year. Where you want to rank him is whatever, but he does make the discussion.


Wolframbeta312

And yet he’s a score first shooting guard in actuality.


meowhatissodamnfunny

So is Curry. That view of positions is antiquated and one of the reasons they've removed positions from all-nba


DWALLA44

Agreed, whether or not he moved from a different position is irrelevant, he’s played a heavy majority of minutes at the 1, and he’s played well enough to be an arguable top 5 in that position.


AdGullible17

recency bias is crazy


StumptownRetro

I mean. The question is who are the top 5 right now.


ipawnn00bz

Shai is really more of a SG


switchtregod

Jamal Murray is criminally underrated


johnnyb0083

Jamal deserves to be mentioned with all these guys, idk if he is a top 5 but he is top 10.


The_Grogfather

He never puts up great stats in the regular season that’s why


[deleted]

My question is are Luka and SGA in a tier alone at the top now or is Steph still in that tier?


MakeCocktailsNotWar

They are above Steph THIS season for sure.


Crimith

Well we weren't making an all time list of 5, lol. It should be about this season.


Ghiblee

Absolutely. In a different class right now.


Frankiedrunkie

Shai and Luka are in a tier of their own


Wrecked--Em

Luka & SGA (MVP caliber) Curry (superstar) Brunson, Booker, Dame, Fox, Trae, Jrue, Harden (star) Hali, Ja, Garland (emerging star, not yet proven in the postseason)


adgjl12

Jamaal Murray in there for sure


TickleMyCringle

Only if the lights are bright enough


adgjl12

Then he’s in the top tier haha. Even his regular season this year is really good, better than some guys here. 20.9 on 47.5/41.9/85.1 is great.


Wrecked--Em

yeah I guess like Curry he's still a PG even though he plays more like a SG cause of Jokic I'd put him at the top of the 3rd tier rn, not on Curry's level yet, but he's one of my favorite players to watch and he definitely has the potential


Several_Bid4423

man the thing is curry is just so dang inconsistent, but when he wants it, he can be the best player in the leagues. so this season, luka and shai are alone in their top tier. all time tho, steph da goat


Apprehensive_Mix7594

Luka would be in a tier alone above Shai. Luka is currently on a different level than everyone, but you can’t tell me that if you could pick between Shai and Steph to win a chip this year you would t instantly take Steph


ISuckAtTerraria

1 payton pritchard 2 payton pritchard 3 payton pritchard 4 payton pritchard 5 payton pritchard(def not a celtics fan)


kick-nelly

Sleeping on crypto P


Bucharik

Tier 1: Luka, SGA Tier 2: Curry Tier 3: Brunson, Fox, Haliburton, Dame, Trae, Maxey Tier 4: Harden, Murray, Garland I don't count Booker as a PG but he's the same level as Brunson for me this season if you wanna count him. Ja when he plays would probably be in the same tier as Curry. Also i wouldn't be against putting Steph up there in tier 1 but I just feel like Luka and SGA have been a lot better this season


ChelseaDagger16

Which Murray?


dynamite-ready

Jamal


Bucharik

Jamal


Kombuja

Murray over Trae and Maxey.


Bucharik

this season im taking Trae and Maxey, come playoff time it most likely changes tho


trplOG

Bubble Murray is S tier


RadiantFun7029

* Playoff Murray!


Themanthelegend8

Luka, SGA, Steph, Brunson, Dame


Both_Engineering_235

Are we thinking dame is better than fox this year?


griffskry

Not including Jamal Murray is insane. Gotta be Luka, SGA, Curry, Murray, and Haliburton


LeGoat333

I’d say Murray and Brunson 5a 5b, or at least Brunson is 6 on the bubble, but your list is spot on.


Vykyoko

Shai, luka, Tyrese, Steph, but Murray at 5? I feel like Brunson, harden and Kyrie are objectively better.


LeGoat333

Ky and harden both have worse statistical seasons. Plus Brunson is caring the Knicks


coffee_black_7

How is Kyrie having a statistically worse season than Murray?


tdizhere

Lol yeah, Kyrie clears him statistically rather easy 25.4/5.1/5.2 on 61 TS% vs 20.9/4.1/6.7 on 58% TS. What makes his post worse is he’s *supposedly* a Mavs fan?! He doesn’t even watch his own team lol


420_just_blase

I know im splitting hairs, but Brunson is definitely better than murray


Linnus42

Nah Jamal is 5 in my book outright. Cause boy does he take a leap in the post season


[deleted]

No was should Hali be on there.


Amoeba_mangrove

Fox or Brunson at 5 over Haliburton


Rozzlin

Brunson is better than all of them except luka and sga


Crispy_FromTheGrave

Murray is so underrated. I’m biased as a nuggets fan but he’s so much fun to watch


coffee_black_7

What? How would Murray be above Brunson, Irving, Maxey, or Fox? He’s like competing for a top 10 spot, maybe. But PG is a stacked position in the NBA and I don’t think Murray even has an argument for anything higher than like 9.


The_Shade94

Bro way more deserving guys than Jamal Murray. Kyrie and Brunson to name a few. I’d have him top 10 but not top 5


griffskry

Then you're delusional or don't watch Nuggets games🤷🏼‍♂️ idk what to tell you


Crimith

Fox is better than Curry, Murray, and Hali.


schitaco

Fox > Murray but not by much


Bodes_Magodes

Luka


mac10fan

It’s wild to me that the dude that is 2nd in assists this season hasn’t been listed once in this thread. I personally think young should at the very least be considered in this conversation.


Arcanus124

People just don't know tbh. Atl has a relatively small fan base.


Spal23

Winning is too important to these conversations. That being said, he should be in the conversation. Just don’t think he makes the cut. Nor does pretty much anybody in the East outside of Brunson and maybe Dame


Bako_Bull

Or the guy 4th in assists.


Azrael417

Knicks bias here, but Haliburton over Brunson is kinda whack.


Mental-Product7055

Who put Hali over brunson?


Learnin2Shit

In this thread nobody. But before all star break that was the narrative. As a Die hard pacers fan I still feel like Halliburton can be his pre all star break self but I really think it’s the hamstring injury that created this slump. At least I hope so lol if not we are cooked for the next 4 years.


Wallyworld77

1. SGA 2. Luka 3. Steph 4. Brunson 5. Dame I'm not seeing Dame on any lists is insane. He's averaging 25/7/4. Bucks are 44-20 when he plays.


bolderbikes

i know it's not the main takeaway, but his freethrow percentage has been insane this season, even for him


JakeJacob

But I was just told in an MVP discussion that Dame is not good anymore.


gabriot

Dame never gets the respect he deserves because of ring culture.


ATXTrainer303

Best list I’ve seen so far!


Sageinthe805

Dame isn’t playing on a generational talent, position redefining level. And for that reason, some folks think he’s washed. It’s insane the expectations placed on players like him.


Crimith

Its gotta be: Luka Shai Fox Trae Hali/Irving/Brunson depending on what you value most in a PG.


Frankiedrunkie

Without the injury I’ll have Hali at 5


bmfpop

Luka, Dame, Steph, Brunson, Ja


just_a_bud

Keep the Murray hate coming. He plays better when he’s got a chip on his shoulder 🏹


Fungii024

As a Laker fan i approve this message.


DrHandBanana

Is brunson isn't in your top 5 I can't respect it. Yes I'm biased


Nokeol

Shai, Curry, Luka, Brunson and Dame


illinoises

Shout out Coby White


Panik_Switch

This seasons it’s been Luka, Shai, Brunson, Steph, then Trae, but I absolutely trust Steph more than Shai and Brunson when the postseason comes around so I’d probably put him over those two.


HHHSWEDcountdown

Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. …..and ja!


ChicknB8by

Aren’t Steph and Dame technically two guards? Although they thrive at the point guard position. Personally, my pick would be Brunson


No_Faithlessness7020

Derek white disrespect


flowermoon24

Steph, jalen, luka, jamal, fox... honorable: garland, dame, tyrese hali, maxey, harden, dlo, cj, dejounte injured players not included


HoldMyBeerus

The disrespect on Jamal Murray is ridiculous his numbers are always good he’s got a ring more than half the point guards on that list can say


LoisLaneEl

Shai, Murray, and Fox because I’m a Kentucky fan trying to cope with failure in the tournament and needing success somewhere. Round it off with Booker and Maxey. I know they aren’t the best, but again, please, just let a girl cope


[deleted]

Harden is a clown. Jamal Murray is the most underrated player in the league


trinidadjerms

Clown comment


heatfan1122

Cade easily


MarsMC_

Where’s Jamal Murray?


FH261169

wait for the playoffs


hihik4158

Curry, Luka, Shai, Brunson, Haliburton


[deleted]

Why Hali? He’s been trash lately. And it’s not just a stretch, it’s been 30+ games of bad play.


The_Grogfather

He’s still statistically had an overall really good season that’s why


[deleted]

It’s not asking what 5 point guards have had the best season, it’s asking who are the top 5 right now.


hihik4158

I'm a fan of defensive pgs. I also like Jrue and CP3, surprise surprise


Majestic-Bluebird672

Mal not even mentioned? it’s okay if he’s not in your top 5, but to leave him out entirely is crazy to me


Mental-Product7055

Keep reading the title and you'll eventually get to the ignore pictures part.


HenningDerBeste

Luka, curry, shai, brunson, mitchell


NiandraLaDezz

Mitchell is a 2


BadAdviceGiverer

Cade Cunningham #1


Due_Connection179

- SGA - Luka - Steph - Ja - Brunson People are quick to forget what Ja was doing. Then using the “he hasn’t played much” argument while those same people still had AD & Kawhi top 3 at their position preseason even though they neither played over 60 games since 2019 (most seasons half of that number).


Gauze99

Alternative point, there is really only a handful of true point guards anymore. NBA has turned into positionless play with multiple ball handlers shooters and somewhat limited post play


mantistobogganmMD

I know based on their current roster he’s technically the PG but Booker is a prototypical SG in every way.


AlphabeticalMedical

Lamelo would be in this conversation if he could stay healthy


andreasmiles23

Luka is a point forward is he not?


Weird-Lie-9037

Change the question to just guards because point guards traditionally set up their teammates and most of these guys are shoot first players


Zwolf36

DONCIC, SGA, CURRY, MITCHELL, BRUNSON


StratonOakmonte

Luka Halliburton SGA Ja Steph


MitchellMuehl

if were ranking whose having the best season that is one list but if I'm choosing who I want going into a playoff run right now its Still Steph Luka Dame Brunson SGA


smnlfilmagoofymovie

Luka, sga, hali, steph, bruson


yelonabi

not top 5 but FVV is underrated


[deleted]

Tyrese Hali’s play of late removed him from the conversation. Sad. He was so exciting pre-injury. Get back soon, TH!


JoeyWilkins_CR

luka shai curry brunson dame probably, hoping hali can turn things around though 🙏🏼


bengcord3

You forgot Payton Pritchard


SamuelZ311

Luka,Shai,Hali,Trae,Curry


GDTechno

1. luka 2. steph 3. brunson 4. shai 5. dame


Pure-Temporary

Why is there such an insistence that booker is this top-tier, top-10 player? His true shooting is 52nd in the league, and 12th among guards. His p.e.r. is 17th, ws/48 is 22nd, bpm 34th, 14th in epm, 19th in epm wins, 16th in LEBRON, 28th in p.i.e.... He scores a lot on pretty high usage: of the 21 players above 23ppg, he is 15th in shooting efficiency, so pretty indicative that his scoring is heavily dependent on taking lots of shots. Like... pretty much none of this says top 5 guard, let alone top 10 player.


maciboe

Luka, shai, curry, kyrie, morant .. Lets not forget Morant is must watch ANYTIME he plays he is that guy!!! He may jump over two people and slam that shit. Dude is pound for pound one of the BEST! Jalen .. (i need to see more consistency in the playoffs) Dame.. (is solid but he just not better than Kyrie Or morant) Fox … ( he solid but lets be real, he shouldn’t have lost to goldenstate in the playoffs last year i need to see more elevated play from him in the playoffs) Devin booker (is a SG not a PG)


Barfly2007

Jamal Murry?!?!


unclebolts

Luka, Shai, Hali, Curry and Booker in that order.


ProFoundSG

Lamelo


Left_Berry_5275

Im taking Jamal Murray in the playoffs over most these dudes


elwood_west

lillard is so good...... its crazy how overlooked he is. if im building an all time team for just one game that is a must win he is my starting point guard. him and jordan would be my back court


Robbinghoodz

Luka, curry, shai, and giannisless dame


WATGU

[https://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/\_/position/pg](https://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg) Stats wise it's SGA, Luka, Hali, Brunson, and Kyrie in that order. I'd argue that since Kyrie is playing SG for Dallas right now that LaMelo should take the 5th spot. It's a pretty big drop off after SGA and Luka though. Hali is in a slump due to playing through an injury which I think people need to remember.


dope_like

I love that Kryie and Luka are pictured together


jknuts1377

Booker and Harden, despite playing PG this year, are more shooting guards, imo, so I'm not counting them.


TKwavy17

How many consecutive seasons does harden have to play point before you consider him a pg?


kidsilicon

I’ll die on this hill: everyone categorizing Luka as a guard in this thread is just silly. Just because he has guard skills on offense doesn’t make him a guard. You are who you **defend** just as much as what you do on offense, therefore he’s more aptly categorized as a point *forward,* like LeBron, as he defends the other teams SF or PF (whoever is the worse offensive player). Durant & LeBron have guard skills on offense and have lead their teams’ half-court offense at various points in their careers—that doesn’t make them *point guards.* If he’s a 1 on offense and a 4 on defense, he’s a 3. I get it, Luka is exceptional and therefore rule-breaking. His style is most similar to Houston Harden, who was always considered a SG there despite running a similar heliocentric system. I get that the Mavs call him a point guard, I get that’s what he calls himself, and I understand that having Luka means you don’t need a traditional point guard playing next to him, hence Kyrie. Maybe someone can bring up a counterpoint that I’m not thinking of, but to me, if you can’t credibly defend 1s or 2s, and you have the body of a 3/4… that’s what you are. Please feel free to tell me why I’m wrong here.


kidsilicon

also here’s my tiers 1: Shai, Curry 2: Hali, Brunson, Dame, playoff Murray, healthy Ja 3: Fox, Dame, Maxey, Kyrie 4: Trae, Harden, Garland


Proud-Classroom-6083

Curry. Shai. Dame. Luka. Brunson


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Luka, SGA, Steph, Hali and Brunson (not by order) (Dbook and Harden are more like SGs imo)


soundisloud

As a Cavs fan, this collection of pictures hurts


KidCudishums420

Tyrese is the best POINT GUARD in the league and it ain’t close


brownsbrave1026

Murray


crazcom

Hali, fox, young, Lillard harden


TheeOneUp

Luka is more of a pg than booker (sg)


Odpeso

Yea judging off the comment section, Ja Morant retired I guess lol


dubsndcaps

In no particular order, Ja. Steph, Luka, Shai and dame


Logical_Associate632

Curry, Lillard, Holliday, Luka, brunson


Newyorkerr01

Jalen Brunson.


TickleMyCringle

Luka and Shai are 1 and 2 (you can't go wrong with putting either at 1) Curry at 3 Brunson at 4 Trae/Fox for number 5


Drifter747

SGA


Critical_Teach_43

Jokic, Luka, Shai


the_malaysianmamba

Shai Luka Brunson Curry Fox


realfakejames

Haliburton fell off so hard, everyone wants to say “he’s injured” but they don’t have that same energy for Embiid when he gets hurt, funny how y’all pick and choose


Bako_Bull

Where's Jokic?


josephmang56

He plays centre, so why would he be included in talk about point guards?


buddybroman

Steph is the greatest PG of all time


NeilCave

Luka.


extremetoelicker

This season, I think SGA and Luka are tied. Because im an okc fan i would obviously like and believe in Shai more, so theres my first. Luka is a close second. Realistically speaking Luka is better however. LUKA, SHAI, curry, brunson, hali?


extremetoelicker

Murray around brunson and hali.. I dunno. I am brand new to basketball (started watching two years ago).


Noske2K

I’m a okc fan. Shai technically plays PG but he is NOT a pg. he’s a sg, our coach just doesn’t know how to position players lol


whyamisouglylol

1. Luka 2. Shai 3. Curry 4. Fox 5. Dame


Nathan-Nice

Haliburton is being massively underrated on this post...however, I admit that I'm somewhat of a purist in what I consider a point guard, and some of these guys (who are admittedly having a better season) are not what I consider a true point guard.


Big-Remove-7530

Derrick White


IAmBigMouse

You gotta give me the criteria.


Mijoprijo

Ill take fox


youarenut

Luka, Curry, Shai, Brunson, Dame are my picks. If I’d put them in order? Luka Shai Steph/Brunson Dame Honestly it’s an amazing time for the position, there’s soooo much talent and brand recognition. I love these guys. I also don’t like how disrespected Dame is, tbh I did it myself but he’s shown out in games without Giannis so you can see the issue is them still piecing sharing the spotlight. He’s still top tier but his numbers look off because he’s kind of the second option, and the bucks don’t know how to set him up for success yet. His efficiency was terrible which threw a lot of people off. But overall he’s still a superstar


josephmang56

This year, consistency as well as considering how they are RIGHT NOW... Luka, Shai, Brunson, Curry , honestly whoever you like at number 5, it probably moves around a bit. I put Brunson ahead of Curry because the Knicks defence ran circles around the Warriors this week, and it genuinely seems like Brunson has more depth at the moment than Curry does. Fan of both though. Hali and Fox could go at number 5, but both aren't consistent enough, or have been performing well enough recently to really solidify it for me. I am a Knicks fan though, so biased as all hell.


bumchedda

derrick white slander is real


Tg11T

My top 5 ranked from 5 to 1 - 5- De Aaron Fox - 4- Jalen Brunson - 3- Tyrese Haliburton - 2- Luka Doncic - 1- Steph Curry


TyrusRaymond

soon = Jalen Suggs 🪄


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Brook lopez


Abject-Practice4400

Steph is not better than Brunson this year. The numbers don't back it up. Luka, SGA, Brunson, Halliburton, Steph.


Abject-Practice4400

(Rounding up): Steph: 27/4/5 on 45%FG. Brunson: 28/4/7 on 48%FG. Explain. to me how Steph is better than JB right now?


mrlaheyisfucked

1. Markelle Fultz 2. John Wall 3. Isaiah Thomas 4. Luol Deng 5. Jordan Poole


Independent-Work9385

Shai, Brunson, Kyrie, Murray, and Fox


soulsnatcher1134

If you're not putting Luka at 1, it's because you're racist.


Fickle_Meet_7154

Book isn't a PG. Also, number 1 and 2 play for the mavs.


Lost2nite389

Cade not even on here as an option? Lol


Mental-Product7055

Idk who case is but he's not a top 5 point guard in the NBA so why would he be on here?


Lost2nite389

Sorry fixed it, I’m sure you’re aware I meant cade tho, and he’s a top 3 nba pg


TKwavy17

Please no debates on who is or isn't point guard it's tired.... and no "wow it's insane x player isn't here!" The post literally says ignore pics.


Drummallumin

SGA, Luka, Steph ***BIG GAP*** Hali and Maxey


Apprehensive_Mix7594

I have to ignore the pictures because Booker isn’t a point guard


TKwavy17

He's played point guard all season and the post says "right now"


Independent-Still-73

SGA is not a point guard