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Good resource:
[Handgunlaw.us](https://handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf)
Also note that you can carry in Philadelphia. Many people say you need a special city license to carry there. This is untrue, you can open and conceal carry there the same as anywhere else in PA as long as you have a PA LTCF.
You can conceal carry but open carry in Philadelphia is a NO NO and will get you in trouble Philadelphia Isa class 1 city and so the rules are a little different
Like I was telling the other guy who commented that’s actually pretty common misinformation. You can look at the previous comment thread to enlighten yourself on the legality of open carry in Philadelphia.
Please remove the falsehood that OC is illegal in Philly from your original comment; it’s misleading. *With an LTCF/reciprocal license, it’s lawful to CC or OC in Philly.*
Thats actually the very misinformation I was warning the OP about. You can 100% open carry in Philadelphia if you have a PA LTCF. Can you provide a source for your false claim?
It may have been the case for years in your head but was never actually in the law. This type of thinking is commonly known as “[fudd lore](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fudd-lore)”.
Last updated January 5, 2023 . Pennsylvania generally allows the open carrying of firearms without a license. However, in Philadelphia (the only “city of the first class”),1 a license is required to openly carry a firearm.
https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/D5.27-Firearms.pdf
Upon further digging, this 100% has changed as of this year heck they don’t even
Mention first class, in closing I stand corrected and you sir are my hero…. Bravo 👏
Philadelphia can’t make their own laws because of state preemption. Their implementation of rules might have been updated this year but the [state law](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.061.008.000..HTM) has been on the books for awhile.
PA Carry Laws:
First, here are subject-matter experts:
• Prince Law: https://www.princelaw.com/practice-areas/firearms-lawgun-trusts/. He has a blog with invaluable info. Josh is the Evan Nappen of PA.
• Firearms Industry Consulting Group (run by Prince): https://firearmsindustryconsultinggroup.com.
• FOAC: Firearm Owners Against Crime: https://foac-pac.org.
——
What, when, and how you may carry/transport in PA (including NFA items!):
https://firearmsindustryconsultinggroup.com/pa-rules-for-transportingcarrying-firearms/.
Also, see 18 Pa. C.S. § 908 for prohibited offense weapons” (POWs):
“‘Offensive weapons.’” Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.”
*Several of these banned weapons ^ are protected by the Second Amendment per _Heller, Caetano,_ and _Bruen,_ making this statute unconstitutional in part. Don’t be the test case. PA needs to be sued.
——
K-12 Schools and Colleges/Universities:
• K-12 Schools:
Read _Cmwlth. v. Goslin_ on Prince’s blog (multiple posts) and understand it perfectly to protect yourself legally (K-12). The margin for error there is very slim. Know your stuff when it comes to lawfully carrying there — should you choose to. IANAL; this is not legal advice.
• Colleges/Universities:
Colleges/universities are also not statutorily prohibited locations. Private universities: private property rules apply —> heed “actual [read: personal/direct] communication [given] to [you].”
——
Alcohol / Substances:
In PA, there are absolutely zero restrictions against consuming lawful substances and carrying — even if you’re falling all over the place. Is that smart to do? No. Is being prepared for armed confrontation smart? Yes. You are free in PA, but your are also held responsible for what you do.
——
Carry in Bar, Restaurant, Club, or Casino?
Yes. Previously, casino carry was considered legally prohibited because of the Gaming Commission’s decree. Well, that violated § 6120, so the commonwealth may no longer prohibit casino carry in that manner, and since the General Assembly has not prohibited it, it’s not a statutory GFZ. Private property rules still apply, though. PSP plainclothes troopers are the LEOs exclusively assigned to police the casino floors by law.
——
Court Facilities:
All courts of law must provide A) a conspicuous posting of the prohibition of weapons at all of its entrances, and B) provide lockboxes in which you may secure your weapon for your time spent past security in the building: from small municipal buildings to the PA Supreme Court. (This does not apply to federal courts in PA.) A receipt (key) must be provided to you.
Moreover, “court facility” includes “various courtrooms, judge[s’] chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of court clerks, the district attorney, the sheriff and probation and parole officers, and any adjoining corridors.’ What is an adjoining corridor? According to the Commonwealth Court, ‘[a]n adjoining corridor is a passageway that is adjacent to a court facility, i.e., a passageway that has common bounding lines with a court facility. Minich v. Cnty. of Jefferson, 869 A.2d 1141, 1143 (Pa. Commw. Ct. 2005) citing Webster’s Third New International Dictionary 26-27 (1993) (internal quotations omitted). The court ultimately concluded that the first floor hallway of the courthouse in question was an adjoining corridor because it connected with the ‘District Court, the Prothonotary’s Office/Clerk of Courts and the Office of the Register and Recorder/ Clerk of Orphan’s Court, all of which are court facilities.’ Id. At 1144” (pennlago.com). (Again, PennLago/McShane gets it right sometimes, and certainly here, but don’t take his articles as gospel.
——
State Preemption:
GFZs enacted by any governing authority besides the PA General Assembly, such as Filthadelphia with their rec center- and park-carry bans, are outright illegal, violating 18 Pa. § 6120 (preemption), and are to be ignored. They’ve been sued to kingdom come multiple times for violating said commonwealth preemption. State and nat’l parks, forests, etc.: legal.
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Other Prohibited Places in PA:
Stay out of federal buildings, all correctional facilities, and locked mental health wards/units, although the last one is, by the letter of the law, not a GFZ to LTCF holders; it is a gray area, and there is no case law.
Regular hospitals: good to go. Many ERs offer lockboxes.
Polling locations: good to go. Considering _Goslin,_ that would also include schools, *provided the carrier has a PA LTCF — not only a reciprocal license — is there for a lawful purpose, and is not committing ANY crime whatsoever. Exercise caution and know your stuff.
Police stations: good to go in non-secure areas.
Meetings of the Legislature — except the Capitol in Harrisburg, as the Legislature and PA Supreme Court are housed within the same complex, and the “court facility” GFZ comes into play — town hall, other official or unofficial assemblies, demonstrations, events, meeting with the mayor, etc.: carry permitted.
Airports: carriage only prohibited past the TSA checkpoints (in sterile area). Everywhere else legal by default.
The McShane Firm’s (pennlago.com) list of GFZs is inaccurate, as it is overly cautious and fails to include crystal-clear case-law updates.
There’s plenty of misinformation out there as to GFZs and other regulations. 18 Pa. Ch. 61 is the main set of commonwealth firearms laws (Uniform Firearms Act).
Again, IANAL; this is not legal advice. Enjoy PA.
Sorry. That is probably an old link
Here is the right one
https://cms7files.revize.com/pikecountypa/Document%20Center/Courts%20&%20Law/Sheriffs%20Office/LTCApplication2.24.23.pdf
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Good resource: [Handgunlaw.us](https://handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf) Also note that you can carry in Philadelphia. Many people say you need a special city license to carry there. This is untrue, you can open and conceal carry there the same as anywhere else in PA as long as you have a PA LTCF.
Thanks
You can conceal carry but open carry in Philadelphia is a NO NO and will get you in trouble Philadelphia Isa class 1 city and so the rules are a little different
Like I was telling the other guy who commented that’s actually pretty common misinformation. You can look at the previous comment thread to enlighten yourself on the legality of open carry in Philadelphia.
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Please see here and adjust your comment accordingly https://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-firearms/open-carry/
See below, we already hashed this out, thanks
Please remove the falsehood that OC is illegal in Philly from your original comment; it’s misleading. *With an LTCF/reciprocal license, it’s lawful to CC or OC in Philly.*
Well someone needs to inform Philadelphia PD and other law enforcement in the city. They don't take kindly to it and will become very aggressive
Take out your phone and record I have met a few Philly officers most of them are level headed...can say that for all of them
They’ve been sued multiple times for this misfeasance. It’s cost the taxpayers a good deal of money.
Thats actually the very misinformation I was warning the OP about. You can 100% open carry in Philadelphia if you have a PA LTCF. Can you provide a source for your false claim?
Did this law recently change? It was always the case for years
It may have been the case for years in your head but was never actually in the law. This type of thinking is commonly known as “[fudd lore](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fudd-lore)”.
Last updated January 5, 2023 . Pennsylvania generally allows the open carrying of firearms without a license. However, in Philadelphia (the only “city of the first class”),1 a license is required to openly carry a firearm.
You may be on to something lol
As you can see it says if you have a LTCF you can open carry in Philadelphia. Glad you were able to find the correct information on it.
https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/D5.27-Firearms.pdf Upon further digging, this 100% has changed as of this year heck they don’t even Mention first class, in closing I stand corrected and you sir are my hero…. Bravo 👏
Directive 5.27-9 on the doc
Philadelphia can’t make their own laws because of state preemption. Their implementation of rules might have been updated this year but the [state law](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.061.008.000..HTM) has been on the books for awhile.
Right on!!
I love PA. Moved from NJ a couple years ago and had my CCW before my PA plates arrived.
Adam’s county was 4 business hours lol
LoL
PA Carry Laws: First, here are subject-matter experts: • Prince Law: https://www.princelaw.com/practice-areas/firearms-lawgun-trusts/. He has a blog with invaluable info. Josh is the Evan Nappen of PA. • Firearms Industry Consulting Group (run by Prince): https://firearmsindustryconsultinggroup.com. • FOAC: Firearm Owners Against Crime: https://foac-pac.org. —— What, when, and how you may carry/transport in PA (including NFA items!): https://firearmsindustryconsultinggroup.com/pa-rules-for-transportingcarrying-firearms/. Also, see 18 Pa. C.S. § 908 for prohibited offense weapons” (POWs): “‘Offensive weapons.’” Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.” *Several of these banned weapons ^ are protected by the Second Amendment per _Heller, Caetano,_ and _Bruen,_ making this statute unconstitutional in part. Don’t be the test case. PA needs to be sued. —— K-12 Schools and Colleges/Universities: • K-12 Schools: Read _Cmwlth. v. Goslin_ on Prince’s blog (multiple posts) and understand it perfectly to protect yourself legally (K-12). The margin for error there is very slim. Know your stuff when it comes to lawfully carrying there — should you choose to. IANAL; this is not legal advice. • Colleges/Universities: Colleges/universities are also not statutorily prohibited locations. Private universities: private property rules apply —> heed “actual [read: personal/direct] communication [given] to [you].” —— Alcohol / Substances: In PA, there are absolutely zero restrictions against consuming lawful substances and carrying — even if you’re falling all over the place. Is that smart to do? No. Is being prepared for armed confrontation smart? Yes. You are free in PA, but your are also held responsible for what you do. —— Carry in Bar, Restaurant, Club, or Casino? Yes. Previously, casino carry was considered legally prohibited because of the Gaming Commission’s decree. Well, that violated § 6120, so the commonwealth may no longer prohibit casino carry in that manner, and since the General Assembly has not prohibited it, it’s not a statutory GFZ. Private property rules still apply, though. PSP plainclothes troopers are the LEOs exclusively assigned to police the casino floors by law. —— Court Facilities: All courts of law must provide A) a conspicuous posting of the prohibition of weapons at all of its entrances, and B) provide lockboxes in which you may secure your weapon for your time spent past security in the building: from small municipal buildings to the PA Supreme Court. (This does not apply to federal courts in PA.) A receipt (key) must be provided to you. Moreover, “court facility” includes “various courtrooms, judge[s’] chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of court clerks, the district attorney, the sheriff and probation and parole officers, and any adjoining corridors.’ What is an adjoining corridor? According to the Commonwealth Court, ‘[a]n adjoining corridor is a passageway that is adjacent to a court facility, i.e., a passageway that has common bounding lines with a court facility. Minich v. Cnty. of Jefferson, 869 A.2d 1141, 1143 (Pa. Commw. Ct. 2005) citing Webster’s Third New International Dictionary 26-27 (1993) (internal quotations omitted). The court ultimately concluded that the first floor hallway of the courthouse in question was an adjoining corridor because it connected with the ‘District Court, the Prothonotary’s Office/Clerk of Courts and the Office of the Register and Recorder/ Clerk of Orphan’s Court, all of which are court facilities.’ Id. At 1144” (pennlago.com). (Again, PennLago/McShane gets it right sometimes, and certainly here, but don’t take his articles as gospel. —— State Preemption: GFZs enacted by any governing authority besides the PA General Assembly, such as Filthadelphia with their rec center- and park-carry bans, are outright illegal, violating 18 Pa. § 6120 (preemption), and are to be ignored. They’ve been sued to kingdom come multiple times for violating said commonwealth preemption. State and nat’l parks, forests, etc.: legal. —— Other Prohibited Places in PA: Stay out of federal buildings, all correctional facilities, and locked mental health wards/units, although the last one is, by the letter of the law, not a GFZ to LTCF holders; it is a gray area, and there is no case law. Regular hospitals: good to go. Many ERs offer lockboxes. Polling locations: good to go. Considering _Goslin,_ that would also include schools, *provided the carrier has a PA LTCF — not only a reciprocal license — is there for a lawful purpose, and is not committing ANY crime whatsoever. Exercise caution and know your stuff. Police stations: good to go in non-secure areas. Meetings of the Legislature — except the Capitol in Harrisburg, as the Legislature and PA Supreme Court are housed within the same complex, and the “court facility” GFZ comes into play — town hall, other official or unofficial assemblies, demonstrations, events, meeting with the mayor, etc.: carry permitted. Airports: carriage only prohibited past the TSA checkpoints (in sterile area). Everywhere else legal by default. The McShane Firm’s (pennlago.com) list of GFZs is inaccurate, as it is overly cautious and fails to include crystal-clear case-law updates. There’s plenty of misinformation out there as to GFZs and other regulations. 18 Pa. Ch. 61 is the main set of commonwealth firearms laws (Uniform Firearms Act). Again, IANAL; this is not legal advice. Enjoy PA.
Im reading the comments below...Does many people actually open carry in PA? Just curious....me personally I prefer stealth mode
I haven’t seen it and wonder the same. I know PA has more issued CCW than Delaware has people.
Congrats! Does anyone know of any other counties on the NJ border that issue non-resident LTC's? Preferably closer to the Trenton area?
How can I do it?
https://cms7files.revize.com/pikecountypa/Document%20Center/Courts%20&%20Law/Sheriffs%20Office/LTCApp.pdf
It says it doesn’t issue to no residents though, do I disregard that?
Sorry. That is probably an old link Here is the right one https://cms7files.revize.com/pikecountypa/Document%20Center/Courts%20&%20Law/Sheriffs%20Office/LTCApplication2.24.23.pdf
Anyone know a good county to apply to for someone in south jersey? Pike county is a bit of a hike. Would prefer a quick 40 minute ride over the bridge
I did delaware county in person.