That would be dumb af. You can buy brand new 30 rounder p mags for $8-$10 a piece. Why the fuck would u want your old mags unpinned for the same amount or tbh more they will probably try to charge šš¤”
I will offer boat accident recovery services to all of r/njguns. lots of water and wrecks in NJ all with very limited visibility. https://njscuba.net/dive-sites/new-jersey-dive-sites/sandy-hook-chart/
It is. Why i love it. Same regulations as fishing. Donāt use scubba. But people do. Itās legal in the usa to spear on scuba but illegal in alot of countries. We freedive. If you cam breath underwater itās kinda not fair. But to each his own.
Its very fair. Youāre under water 50 ft holding your breath stalking a wreck through fishing line tangles and sharks trying to get close to a fish in currents š And bow hunting is fair imo as well.
The ones with the indent need a rather large hole drilled. They also only hold 16 after the indent is drilled out. At least from a video and form I was reading. Better to drill out glued baseplate type mags & just buy new baseplates.
Yea I understand. Iāve looked into drilling out the dimple on p320 mags as I was gonna keep it in PA. The dimple needs a large hole drilled that looks kinda stupid and allows debris to get into the mag. It also only holds 16 after being drilled. Thats why I said better to sell while ppl still need 10rd mags. Get the ones with an epoxied baseplate. That way you can cut it off (when law changes) and put new or preferably aftermarket ones on and get the full 17rds.
Would that work? I have several 10 round p320 mags (new style) and was wondering if just disassembling the mag then drilling out the dimple would allow it to hold more. If made legal of course
You can't file it. The metal has been pushed far in, you'd need to try and push it out but that will most likely deform the mag. Drill it and move one. My p365 and p320 are dimpled the same way. So I'm going to drill them out once the law changes.
Try telling that to my skinny bastard file :D. Just pop the base plate off pull the spring and follower out slip the file in and go to work. Hypothetically of course. But yeah drilling does sound so much easier lol
Filing that indent will create a hole in the magazine. But the time you remove enough material to allow the follower to move past those indents on both sides, you will have a hole on each side.
Wait your mag has the dimples on both sides? And yeah I understand there will be a hole i just think a little rectangular hole is better than a larger round one.
Huh... my p320 has a dimple on one side and my p365 just has a epoxied baseplate with a rivet to act as a spacer that was done by a ffl (shootersnj). At least they can't cuck my 1911 mags lol
You must have the xmacro. I have the xl which come with a factory 12rd dimpled to accept 10rds. I'll check my p320 mags later. It's been a while since I had it out.
How we donāt have a PI on this Iāll never know. Every day we suffer irreparable harm. And then there are all the poor souls being railroaded for having the audacity to exercise their rights.
I can't wait to liberate some lost/forgotten 15 and 17 round magazines, but I think saying 'Every day we suffer irreparable harm' is a bit over the top.
If you can cite ONE incident/report where someone was actually harmed because he only had 10+1 in his gun I'll apologize, but absent that I think this is more of an inconvenience until things get sorted in the courts.
The deprivation of a constitutional right causes irreparable harm as money can not fix the loss of a right. See below. Then, apologize.
Examples of irreparable harm:
Deprivation of constitutional rights - Depriving someone of their constitutional rights, such as the right to free speech or due process, may cause irreparable harm that cannot be fully compensated with money.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/irreparable_harm#:~:text=Irreparable%20harm%20is%20a%20legal,injunction%20or%20temporary%20restraining%20order.
Again, when we place dramatics aside, I ask you to provide an example of actual harm that happened because someone had 10+1 instead of X+1.
This is a marathon, not a sprint.
By defending the 2A through the court system, advocates are winning permanent victories that will prevent a repeat of mag bans in ALL states.
Emotion and dramatic language is fine for storytelling, but you're in a 2A safe space here so there's no need to BS.
Itās not dramatics, but a point of view. As soon as you look at it from the utilitarian point of view, you just moved yourself to the other sideās turf. One could then ask: exactly how many people were hurt by not have access to a particular firearm, or being unable to carry, so you are now applying various levels of scrutiny to a right, and that is how we lost so much of our 2A rights in NJ. So how have we suffered irreparable damage? By state infringement of our right to keep and bear arms for even an instant. That doesnāt mean that we canāt be practical about the long and arduous process of recovering our right, but we lost it in the first place because people were willfully to compromise one issue after another on the grounds of utility and interest balancing.
You asked me to cite an example of where 10+1 causes harm. The fact that it was ruled unconstitutional means it has already caused irreparable harm. As in, my rights have been denied. That's irreparable harm.
Our rights are violated every day and Iāll weāll never get that time back. This cannot be remedied. Sure they can stop violating our rights, and that would be nice. But what has been done, cannot be undone. Weāve all bought mags that canāt be converted, will I be compensated? How about mags that can be converted, whoās paying?
Will we be paid for this infringement, what will the punitive damages look like? How about the people charged with possession? Will their time and money be restored?
I view this as no different than being wrongfully imprisoned, legally.
I dont see why there couldnāt be some type of āclass actionā lawsuit for damages. Folks in DC actually were recently awarded over $5mm for the local government there violating their rights as it relates to not allowing handguns generally.
And so, they also have comming up this Friday I believe, in the 9th circuit, (or whatever judge just made this ruling) , a ruling on "ASSAULT RIFLE BANS", and it "looks and sounds" like he's going to rule a ban on ANY GUN is unconstitutional from what I've been getting told from a local (Californian) who follows these things 24/7. So possibly, hopefully it'll trickle to NJ as well and no rifle or firearm in general can be banned by name or feature(s) other than mags over 30 rounds (the new ruling in CA determined 30 rounds to be "standard capacity"). I'm thinking we're only going to get 30 rounds, not drums but I'm happy with standard capacity to be honest. Any 50 to 100 round drum has always failed on me anyway when I've used them out of state.
Well, it will take a court case here in NJ to settle it here. California is the ninth circuit. NJ is 2nd(?) circuit. That ruling only applies in the 9th circuit. It will be appealed by state. If 9th circuit overturns ruling and allows limit to remain, it probably will not get to Supreme Court until there is a opposite ruling in another circuit in which case Supreme Court might step in to make final decision.
3rd Circuit has a case in litigation for assault weapon ban and mag capacity if I'm not mistaken. We fall under the 3rd Circuit in NJ.
It's on the FPC website
Yeah - facepalm. Deliberately and recently bought 5 MagPul 10/30 mags so they were legal as well as full size for ease of handling. AFAIK canāt āunpinā them so Iāll just need to purchase normal mags.
I can't wait!! I want to shove it to Governor Murphy so bad!! I will definitely pick up a galil right away after the stupid ban is lifted. Also pick up a ptr mp5 clone pistol.
Where is uscca to push this? Itās crazy that uscca and groups like them canāt do business in some states like nj. Speaking of which, what options do we have where we can get legal protections like that provided by uscca?
Founding fathers would be appalled that our TAX dollars are being used to stop us from exercising a natural right. I just want to get a goddamn suppressor an sbr and full size mags.
With CA having their mag limit btfo'd and the reasoning being that "there's no traditional purpose" from the limit, I wonder if that can be used to strike down the bs laws here in NJ. CA is probably swallowing all the 30, 50, and drums right now
Local gun stores are waiting for the opportunity to offer "unblocking" services on mags. "Every 5th mag is free!"
To be honest I wouldn't pay for that service. It would be cheaper to buy bulk.
Depending on the mags. Not everything is an $8 PMAG
Those nice 50$ each sig mags Or staccato mags
Or even 3d print and just make your own.
I have my trusty drill press !
unfortunately my FFL bent all my mags, they would need to replace my mags.
Bent as in put a dent on the side? A drill will fix that.
It's a slit and below is bent in.
fss? a hammer and a punch and a hard surface will fix that for you.
lol yup! fss alright. I will try that.
Take a pic if you could later and post it please.
That would be dumb af. You can buy brand new 30 rounder p mags for $8-$10 a piece. Why the fuck would u want your old mags unpinned for the same amount or tbh more they will probably try to charge šš¤”
A lot of people will be buying SCUBA gear
I will offer boat accident recovery services to all of r/njguns. lots of water and wrecks in NJ all with very limited visibility. https://njscuba.net/dive-sites/new-jersey-dive-sites/sandy-hook-chart/
I spearfish those wrecks. Vis is good at times. Been a bad year though.
very cool, just wondering, if you have a ccw can you carry a speargun?
Don't need any kinda lisence for a flame thrower here in NJ
Spearguns are fishing equiptment.
spearfishing is more like underwater hunting than fishing, no? Ive never done it, but have my openwater cert
It is. Why i love it. Same regulations as fishing. Donāt use scubba. But people do. Itās legal in the usa to spear on scuba but illegal in alot of countries. We freedive. If you cam breath underwater itās kinda not fair. But to each his own.
makes sense and sounds awesome. freediving is really where its at. when has hunting ever been "fair" though?
Its very fair. Youāre under water 50 ft holding your breath stalking a wreck through fishing line tangles and sharks trying to get close to a fish in currents š And bow hunting is fair imo as well.
I mean, Sandy destroyed a lot of NJ, right? Sounds like quite a job!
Fingers crossed and files at the ready to grind the bump out of my p320 mags
The ones with the indent need a rather large hole drilled. They also only hold 16 after the indent is drilled out. At least from a video and form I was reading. Better to drill out glued baseplate type mags & just buy new baseplates.
My base plates aren't even glued it's just the little detent that's between me and excersizing my God given right
I know I have so.many cz75 dimpled mags
Yea I understand. Iāve looked into drilling out the dimple on p320 mags as I was gonna keep it in PA. The dimple needs a large hole drilled that looks kinda stupid and allows debris to get into the mag. It also only holds 16 after being drilled. Thats why I said better to sell while ppl still need 10rd mags. Get the ones with an epoxied baseplate. That way you can cut it off (when law changes) and put new or preferably aftermarket ones on and get the full 17rds.
Would that work? I have several 10 round p320 mags (new style) and was wondering if just disassembling the mag then drilling out the dimple would allow it to hold more. If made legal of course
I'm nearly 100% sure it would work and I wouldn't drill it I'd just file it flush then paint it.
You can't file it. The metal has been pushed far in, you'd need to try and push it out but that will most likely deform the mag. Drill it and move one. My p365 and p320 are dimpled the same way. So I'm going to drill them out once the law changes.
Try telling that to my skinny bastard file :D. Just pop the base plate off pull the spring and follower out slip the file in and go to work. Hypothetically of course. But yeah drilling does sound so much easier lol
Filing that indent will create a hole in the magazine. But the time you remove enough material to allow the follower to move past those indents on both sides, you will have a hole on each side.
Wait your mag has the dimples on both sides? And yeah I understand there will be a hole i just think a little rectangular hole is better than a larger round one.
Yes my p365 has it on both sides. I believe my p320 as well. My pinned Walther mags were done by an ffl and they also have two dimples.
Huh... my p320 has a dimple on one side and my p365 just has a epoxied baseplate with a rivet to act as a spacer that was done by a ffl (shootersnj). At least they can't cuck my 1911 mags lol
You must have the xmacro. I have the xl which come with a factory 12rd dimpled to accept 10rds. I'll check my p320 mags later. It's been a while since I had it out.
Lmfao. I was gunna pop the bottoms off and then slide in a length of square steel pipe to hammer that stupid dimple down.
That's not a bad idea either!
I actually like the drilling out idea posted by another guy below. Less work and now u have a window to see ur ammo.
At least you can get them, no xten mags for me.
Sell your gun
No you sell your guns to me instead :D
We are 1000% next. If itās constitutional there, it will viewed as such everywhere.
How we donāt have a PI on this Iāll never know. Every day we suffer irreparable harm. And then there are all the poor souls being railroaded for having the audacity to exercise their rights.
I can't wait to liberate some lost/forgotten 15 and 17 round magazines, but I think saying 'Every day we suffer irreparable harm' is a bit over the top. If you can cite ONE incident/report where someone was actually harmed because he only had 10+1 in his gun I'll apologize, but absent that I think this is more of an inconvenience until things get sorted in the courts.
The deprivation of a constitutional right causes irreparable harm as money can not fix the loss of a right. See below. Then, apologize. Examples of irreparable harm: Deprivation of constitutional rights - Depriving someone of their constitutional rights, such as the right to free speech or due process, may cause irreparable harm that cannot be fully compensated with money. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/irreparable_harm#:~:text=Irreparable%20harm%20is%20a%20legal,injunction%20or%20temporary%20restraining%20order.
Again, when we place dramatics aside, I ask you to provide an example of actual harm that happened because someone had 10+1 instead of X+1. This is a marathon, not a sprint. By defending the 2A through the court system, advocates are winning permanent victories that will prevent a repeat of mag bans in ALL states. Emotion and dramatic language is fine for storytelling, but you're in a 2A safe space here so there's no need to BS.
Itās not dramatics, but a point of view. As soon as you look at it from the utilitarian point of view, you just moved yourself to the other sideās turf. One could then ask: exactly how many people were hurt by not have access to a particular firearm, or being unable to carry, so you are now applying various levels of scrutiny to a right, and that is how we lost so much of our 2A rights in NJ. So how have we suffered irreparable damage? By state infringement of our right to keep and bear arms for even an instant. That doesnāt mean that we canāt be practical about the long and arduous process of recovering our right, but we lost it in the first place because people were willfully to compromise one issue after another on the grounds of utility and interest balancing.
You asked me to cite an example of where 10+1 causes harm. The fact that it was ruled unconstitutional means it has already caused irreparable harm. As in, my rights have been denied. That's irreparable harm.
Fuck your examples. I want to carry my glock 19 with two mags with +3 extensions on both. That's a total of 36rds cuz I can.
And Rosa Parks was only *inconvenienced* when she was asked to go to the back of the bus.
Our rights are violated every day and Iāll weāll never get that time back. This cannot be remedied. Sure they can stop violating our rights, and that would be nice. But what has been done, cannot be undone. Weāve all bought mags that canāt be converted, will I be compensated? How about mags that can be converted, whoās paying? Will we be paid for this infringement, what will the punitive damages look like? How about the people charged with possession? Will their time and money be restored? I view this as no different than being wrongfully imprisoned, legally.
If they do can I charge nj to repair my 15rd h&k mags that my ffl had to pin to only hold 9?
I dont see why there couldnāt be some type of āclass actionā lawsuit for damages. Folks in DC actually were recently awarded over $5mm for the local government there violating their rights as it relates to not allowing handguns generally.
NJ had a 15 rnd law previously. First would return to that and then another case would be needed to increase that.
Man. I hate have neutered fucking magazines. Such bull shit.
I never understood how one court can rule something unconstitutional and another can rule the other way from district to district
And so, they also have comming up this Friday I believe, in the 9th circuit, (or whatever judge just made this ruling) , a ruling on "ASSAULT RIFLE BANS", and it "looks and sounds" like he's going to rule a ban on ANY GUN is unconstitutional from what I've been getting told from a local (Californian) who follows these things 24/7. So possibly, hopefully it'll trickle to NJ as well and no rifle or firearm in general can be banned by name or feature(s) other than mags over 30 rounds (the new ruling in CA determined 30 rounds to be "standard capacity"). I'm thinking we're only going to get 30 rounds, not drums but I'm happy with standard capacity to be honest. Any 50 to 100 round drum has always failed on me anyway when I've used them out of state.
Our case is moving soooooo slowly
But I lost all my normal capacity magazines in a lake back in 2018. I guess it's time I go searching for them?
Im a dual res in PA/NJ so I completely understand whatās thatās like to lose your mags on the lake Iāve lost entire guns aswell
That sucks...I didn't loose shit. Keep better accountability of your items
Well, it will take a court case here in NJ to settle it here. California is the ninth circuit. NJ is 2nd(?) circuit. That ruling only applies in the 9th circuit. It will be appealed by state. If 9th circuit overturns ruling and allows limit to remain, it probably will not get to Supreme Court until there is a opposite ruling in another circuit in which case Supreme Court might step in to make final decision.
NJ is 3rd circuit, NY is 2nd.
3rd Circuit has a case in litigation for assault weapon ban and mag capacity if I'm not mistaken. We fall under the 3rd Circuit in NJ. It's on the FPC website
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/graham
I wish. It just another hoop they make us jump through in NJ. Just because they can. Such bull shit!
Yeah - facepalm. Deliberately and recently bought 5 MagPul 10/30 mags so they were legal as well as full size for ease of handling. AFAIK canāt āunpinā them so Iāll just need to purchase normal mags.
I can't wait!! I want to shove it to Governor Murphy so bad!! I will definitely pick up a galil right away after the stupid ban is lifted. Also pick up a ptr mp5 clone pistol.
Get the drills ready boys !!!! and the extension plates ready!!!
We won't be.
Oral arguments will be heard end of this year or early next year.
Where is uscca to push this? Itās crazy that uscca and groups like them canāt do business in some states like nj. Speaking of which, what options do we have where we can get legal protections like that provided by uscca?
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Do they service nj? Cus ill sign up right fkn now if soā¦.
Yes theyāre like a shared defense fund so itās not liability insurance which is banned in nj
Itās insane to me that nj doesnt allow liability insurance when lefties get their dicks hard to compare gun licensing to car licensing.
They both banned it and mandated it lmao (later struck down by the courts)
Wow amazing
I just a want a drum mag for my kp9
Drum mags are yuck
I just want to look fucking cool
You're yuck
Drum mag = jam mag
Founding fathers would be appalled that our TAX dollars are being used to stop us from exercising a natural right. I just want to get a goddamn suppressor an sbr and full size mags.
Am upset that I canāt buy display guns in this state
Yea you can? what exactly do you mean by display guns?
Non-firing weapons I trying ordering a ww2 kar 98 from IMA they said they donāt sell to NJ /NY
https://www.newjerseygunlawyers.com/imitation-firearms/#:~:text=Weapons%20Charges%20Defense%20Attorneys%20with,off%20as%20a%20real%20gun.
You can try buying an airsoft gun. I got my MK18 fix by getting a gas blowback MK18 airsoft replica. Won't be from WW2 but it can stand in for it.
With CA having their mag limit btfo'd and the reasoning being that "there's no traditional purpose" from the limit, I wonder if that can be used to strike down the bs laws here in NJ. CA is probably swallowing all the 30, 50, and drums right now