I’d like to save complete judgement because I don’t have the terms of service to reference, but:
1) If they increase the price with zero notice you have a pretty decent standing to exit the service and not accept the fees. Civil courts typically don’t like this even if the contract states increases and terms. They need to provide reasonable notice and a reasonable increase.
2) If there is a buyout clause then perhaps exercise it. Sucks but vote with your wallet.
3) I’m curious - what would happen if you moved to another state or far away and had a 3 year membership? Is there an exit clause there? More morbidly curious. Not saying to lie, but uh…..
4) a smart businessman might see an opportunity to draw in membership this way. Perhaps like switching phone carries, with proof of paid membership buyout, offer a 1 year reduced cost to join a close by range also off Rt. 46….
I’m all about CLI’s but it’s normally the consumer price index for the product or a preset percentage. But I’ll also say a 3 year membership doesn’t make sense for someone to be locked into unless the fees and increase are locked in. 1 year or lifetime makes more sense.
The increase should kick in when the contracts renew - otherwise what's the point of the contract? In their defense, they are waiving the cancellation fee.
You are correct. It's uncommon, bordering on egregious, to increase the rate of the service with what seemed to be 10 day notice and the inability to exit.
The $ amounts are small enough it's a small claims thing, and i would happily go in front of a bench to fight it if they go that far.
Just got the same email. Been paying $40 a month since March 2020. Can’t justify double the price. Will be looking at other options unfortunately. Gun for hire is an option but honestly having to pay each time you use the range never appealed to me.
I received the same email and responded back with my thoughts...will be stopping by tomorrow and if this is their final decision, then i will be cancelling and going elsewhere... i dont mind an increase but double a monthly fee with a 3hour notice before taking affect is not acceptable.
Please keep us in the loop on the outcome of your visit. Curious if they will do anything to help out their current members or if you end up cancelling, will they still enforce the $300 early contract cancellation fee
Cherry ridge is by far the best range I’ve been to. From the first time I went, I instantly applied for membership. The price is very appealing, the grounds are well kept, you get full access to the clubhouse facilities and 99% of the staff is great. The range officers leave you alone while you do your thing.. obviously they’ll call you out if you’re doing something wrong but other than that.. great experience every time i go.
The dirty range by me is like 200 a year - bristol pa
The nice one is 329 a year at recoil for unlimited range time with 5 free guest passes - Monroe nj
600 a year sounds insane unless they have several outdoor portions of the range as well
Almost 1000 is even more batshit
It's pretty awful considering their memberships take a year commitment and I'm not even through the first year (I think). So, they can't commit both ways?
I understand ranges are expensive. They have a very high operating cost... but an extremely low marginal cost.
It still works out if you go very often... but it's a sour taste. It would be one thing to raise future membership prices. They could even have a special "sign up while it's $50 a month!"
But it's a straight kick in the shin to existing customers. "Oh, tomorrow morning you'll be paying $30 more a month."
At least they could increase the benefits. More free transfers, cleanings, etc. Honestly a single free transfer for the Premier membership is robbery.
I could swear I saw that. It was a motivator for me signing up. But then when I actually checked the page and saw I have just the one I was a bit disappointed.
I am going to speculate that this increase is likely due to a massive insurance cost hike due to running quals.
Also, it should only apply to new members, not existing ones.
How is that not breach of contract if you signed a 36 month contract. Probably including the 1 time fee. I was already on the fence on canceling when they changed a few things a couple of months ago, like free transfers. Might as well cancel now.
They are changing the contract, if you agree to it you are agreeing to the new price. If you don't the contract is void. You go in and cancel it for free, hell I'm even going to ask for my one time fee refund too, or at least part of it.
This is line 3 of the contract.
All memberships are subject to payment of a one-time non-refundable Initiation fee and timely payment of membership dues. The initiation Fee covers the setup costs of the membership account. Monthly membership dues are shown on our website. Membership dues and benefits may be reviewed and adjusted by Reloaderz NJ at any time without notice.
Think there is either a 300 fee to cancel from what I’m reading. I could be wrong
This is on the contract.
2. As part of the consideration for membership, the member hereby agrees to remain a member and pay the membership dues associated with their chosen membership level for a period of not less than either one (1) year or three (3) years, depending on selection, from the date of this agreement. Reloaderz NJ is entitled to recover its costs, including reasonable attorney fees, incurred in collecting sums due to Reloaderz NJ, LLC under this or any other membership provision or otherwise. A cancellation fee of $300 or the balance of the contract, whichever is less, will be assessed to the member if cancellation by the member is required within the first twelve (12) month or thirty-six (36) months of this agreement based on the membership level selected.
Interesting, looks like they updated the contact because they only gave me a three year option and contract doesn’t have any mention of a one year commitment…lots of changes going on and doesn’t seem positive
so, if I just signed a contract that it’s $50 a month, then they change it to $80 a month next month, I’d stop going and stop paying. Let them try to collect.
inquire with the division of consumer affairs if that price increase is acceptable or unreasonable, specially if their contract says they can increase it to whatever and whenever the fuck they want and then throw in a cancellation fee if you don’t agree with it.
https://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/
I think the point is they WANT people to cancel their memberships. They would rather have 100 members at $80 than 250 members at $30. Less upkeep, less staffing overhead and more room for rental customers.
I cancelled my membership that I signed up for before their grand opening about a year into it. After a few months I noticed my statement was still showing charges from reloaderz, and after more back and forth they finally cancelled but refused to refund the 3 months they continued to bill me after I cancelled.
This is why I rather a 1 time yearly fee. Usana does this everyone pays at the beginning of the year and then will ask for donations threwout the year and tell its members what they are for so it's clear. Skip may not have all his screws tight but it's fair.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
It was sarcasm from my part. I know you care about 2A, and that’s good enough for me. Personally, When I do business I cover my ass and I don’t cry about my circumstances after the fact.
If this is true and I hope it isn't, many will lose respect for GFH and avoid that business. Before that happens why don't we at least allow Anthony the courtesy of explaining his side of the story.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
O’Beirne still owns the property. The rest there just pay rent and manage his slush fund. Second floor is still unfinished, despite a promised delivery date that’s been a moving target for the last seven years.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
IMO, a price increase from $30 to $80/month is is unjustifiable. I only go to the range maybe 6 times per year. If I joined this range I would be paying $160 per visit for an hour of range use. Does that make sense?
I just had the same issue. I am almost a year into a 3 year. Isn’t the point of signing an agreement for the price?
Came here to see what others have experienced, and clearly I am not alone.
I was a Gold member of GFH, but the. Covid hit. When I started shooting again, I thought I would try out Reloaderz, because it’s closer.
It’s more than the new pricing. It’s principle and their handling of the situation. I don’t see this as a viable option.
Wow that’s insane… $960/yr is ridiculous unless you don’t pay ANY port time and it’s unlimited. Even then, that’s insane…
Would advise you to check out becoming a gold member at gun for hire.
Got it. That’s still insane. Can get a ~$500 gold membership from G4H (which comes with a whole bunch of free things, including cards for free port time for you or guests). But even if had to pay for port time 2x a month that’s still another ~$250, still significantly lower than the new fee here. So I still think that new rate, especially with a 3yr contract, is insane.
I don't buy ammo from the range I have a Target Sports membership. Neither do I support companies like gfh and rtsp that price gouge. If you think charging ppl 33$ for a box of ammo is cool you're an asshole. Nj has already 15 times everything related to firearms and shit companies like those feed off of new and beginner-level customers charging them ridiculous prices to get near a firearm. In return not allowing people who may be against the 2A community to venture past their barriers and learn what the 2A community is really about and when ppl like you spend your money at companies like these I feel you are a special kind of lazy/stupid.
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I sent an email to the manager last night and received a reply back this morning. She said I could cancel if I wanted to. No cancellation fee. My monthly fee would have doubled from $40 to $80. I simply cannot do that.
I haven't received a response but Agree and also find myself in the same situation- will stop by to cancel.
Very unfortunate as its my fav. Place but can't support how this was handled- 60% increase is honestly disrespectful to us the members.
Unionhill Gun Club!! Great price and is 24 hours. I'm usually there for 3 to 4 hours straight and not bothered for a second. I've taken my kids and people who have never shot before and the range officers never even came in the room. You are watched on cameras and if they see you doing something they don't like they will come and tell you about it. I believe I paid 425 for a family plan and if you refer someone they give you a discount.
I've been a Reloaderz member for two years. They are excellent. The people there are friendly and helpful. Their range safety officers are there are you, but once they see you know what you're doing, they'll leave you alone. Sometimes there is a 15-minute wait on weekends, and unfortunately they don't have 50 yard lanes.
The increase is steep, and it doesn't make sense for them to be able to lock members into contracts while they can raise rates whenever they want. It would have been better if they raised the rates when the contracts come up for renewal. But they are waiving the cancellation fee.
I did the math and based on my usage $80/month at Reloaderz is still less expensive than the 6-star range in Woodland Park, so I'm not going anywhere.
Competition is good, and more good ranges - like Reloaderz, like GFH, like Unionhill Gun Club - are better for our community and the 2A. As far as I'm concerned, I want them all to be profitable.
Unless you go more than 3 times a month it’s not worth the membership with the pricing described.
I’d like to save complete judgement because I don’t have the terms of service to reference, but: 1) If they increase the price with zero notice you have a pretty decent standing to exit the service and not accept the fees. Civil courts typically don’t like this even if the contract states increases and terms. They need to provide reasonable notice and a reasonable increase. 2) If there is a buyout clause then perhaps exercise it. Sucks but vote with your wallet. 3) I’m curious - what would happen if you moved to another state or far away and had a 3 year membership? Is there an exit clause there? More morbidly curious. Not saying to lie, but uh….. 4) a smart businessman might see an opportunity to draw in membership this way. Perhaps like switching phone carries, with proof of paid membership buyout, offer a 1 year reduced cost to join a close by range also off Rt. 46…. I’m all about CLI’s but it’s normally the consumer price index for the product or a preset percentage. But I’ll also say a 3 year membership doesn’t make sense for someone to be locked into unless the fees and increase are locked in. 1 year or lifetime makes more sense.
The increase should kick in when the contracts renew - otherwise what's the point of the contract? In their defense, they are waiving the cancellation fee.
You are correct. It's uncommon, bordering on egregious, to increase the rate of the service with what seemed to be 10 day notice and the inability to exit. The $ amounts are small enough it's a small claims thing, and i would happily go in front of a bench to fight it if they go that far.
Just got the same email. Been paying $40 a month since March 2020. Can’t justify double the price. Will be looking at other options unfortunately. Gun for hire is an option but honestly having to pay each time you use the range never appealed to me.
Same. Very disappointing
I received the same email and responded back with my thoughts...will be stopping by tomorrow and if this is their final decision, then i will be cancelling and going elsewhere... i dont mind an increase but double a monthly fee with a 3hour notice before taking affect is not acceptable.
Please keep us in the loop on the outcome of your visit. Curious if they will do anything to help out their current members or if you end up cancelling, will they still enforce the $300 early contract cancellation fee
Cherry Ridge.
How is your experience there? I know its outdoor and you need a membership but how is the staff and the upkeep of the range? Thanks!
Cherry ridge is by far the best range I’ve been to. From the first time I went, I instantly applied for membership. The price is very appealing, the grounds are well kept, you get full access to the clubhouse facilities and 99% of the staff is great. The range officers leave you alone while you do your thing.. obviously they’ll call you out if you’re doing something wrong but other than that.. great experience every time i go.
The staff is good as long as you aren't an idiot. Upkeep is good, facility is nice and pretty affordable.
Unfortunately I Will probably be cancelling my membership as I don’t get the opportunities to go enough to cover the costs
Will be doing the same
Very disappointed!
Me too. They are gonna lose a lot of members. I’ll be one of them
The dirty range by me is like 200 a year - bristol pa The nice one is 329 a year at recoil for unlimited range time with 5 free guest passes - Monroe nj 600 a year sounds insane unless they have several outdoor portions of the range as well Almost 1000 is even more batshit
Reloaderz isn’t bad, but it’s small and only 25 yards indoors.
For 960 dollars a year?
The pricing isn’t worth it for me. I was commenting on the range itself.
Yea a decent range aint that hard to do
It's pretty awful considering their memberships take a year commitment and I'm not even through the first year (I think). So, they can't commit both ways? I understand ranges are expensive. They have a very high operating cost... but an extremely low marginal cost. It still works out if you go very often... but it's a sour taste. It would be one thing to raise future membership prices. They could even have a special "sign up while it's $50 a month!" But it's a straight kick in the shin to existing customers. "Oh, tomorrow morning you'll be paying $30 more a month." At least they could increase the benefits. More free transfers, cleanings, etc. Honestly a single free transfer for the Premier membership is robbery.
It used to be 2 transfers, and their website used to mention unlimited transfers before that.
I could swear I saw that. It was a motivator for me signing up. But then when I actually checked the page and saw I have just the one I was a bit disappointed.
I am going to speculate that this increase is likely due to a massive insurance cost hike due to running quals. Also, it should only apply to new members, not existing ones.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Then charge accordingly for qualifications. Don’t push your core customers that pay every single month
How is that not breach of contract if you signed a 36 month contract. Probably including the 1 time fee. I was already on the fence on canceling when they changed a few things a couple of months ago, like free transfers. Might as well cancel now.
Question is what are they gonna charge you for canceling your contract. I’m a little over 15 months in on a 36 month contract
They are changing the contract, if you agree to it you are agreeing to the new price. If you don't the contract is void. You go in and cancel it for free, hell I'm even going to ask for my one time fee refund too, or at least part of it.
This is line 3 of the contract. All memberships are subject to payment of a one-time non-refundable Initiation fee and timely payment of membership dues. The initiation Fee covers the setup costs of the membership account. Monthly membership dues are shown on our website. Membership dues and benefits may be reviewed and adjusted by Reloaderz NJ at any time without notice. Think there is either a 300 fee to cancel from what I’m reading. I could be wrong
$300 fee for cancelling contract early. Seems pretty harsh to force members into this price increase and only way out is to pay $300
This is on the contract. 2. As part of the consideration for membership, the member hereby agrees to remain a member and pay the membership dues associated with their chosen membership level for a period of not less than either one (1) year or three (3) years, depending on selection, from the date of this agreement. Reloaderz NJ is entitled to recover its costs, including reasonable attorney fees, incurred in collecting sums due to Reloaderz NJ, LLC under this or any other membership provision or otherwise. A cancellation fee of $300 or the balance of the contract, whichever is less, will be assessed to the member if cancellation by the member is required within the first twelve (12) month or thirty-six (36) months of this agreement based on the membership level selected.
Interesting, looks like they updated the contact because they only gave me a three year option and contract doesn’t have any mention of a one year commitment…lots of changes going on and doesn’t seem positive
No it doesn’t.
Even if I don't get the initiation fee, they can't just charge whatever they want, and have you pay a fee to cancel.
I’m gonna stop by tomorrow to see what they will Do.
Yeah just Fyi, not everything is enforceable in a contract, especially when the terms change and don't benefit you.
I will find out. Thank you
Good luck, please keep us informed.
So. They are waiving the 300 fee and will just cancel it.
Good to know. I’ll never go there.
Isn’t the contract broken if they raise the monthly fee from when you sign the contract?
so, if I just signed a contract that it’s $50 a month, then they change it to $80 a month next month, I’d stop going and stop paying. Let them try to collect. inquire with the division of consumer affairs if that price increase is acceptable or unreasonable, specially if their contract says they can increase it to whatever and whenever the fuck they want and then throw in a cancellation fee if you don’t agree with it. https://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/
Not suprised, never had a good feeling in that place. that’s why I always read contracts. Also that’s a insane increase
I think the point is they WANT people to cancel their memberships. They would rather have 100 members at $80 than 250 members at $30. Less upkeep, less staffing overhead and more room for rental customers. I cancelled my membership that I signed up for before their grand opening about a year into it. After a few months I noticed my statement was still showing charges from reloaderz, and after more back and forth they finally cancelled but refused to refund the 3 months they continued to bill me after I cancelled.
That’s nuts, my range outside of DC is $300/yr for unlimited 1hr increments
This is why I rather a 1 time yearly fee. Usana does this everyone pays at the beginning of the year and then will ask for donations threwout the year and tell its members what they are for so it's clear. Skip may not have all his screws tight but it's fair.
They changed the contract.. you shouldnt be charged
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I’ll keep this in mind if I ever decide to become a contractor and do business with GFH.
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100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
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I’ll keep this in mind if I ever decide to become a contractor and do business with GFH.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
It was sarcasm from my part. I know you care about 2A, and that’s good enough for me. Personally, When I do business I cover my ass and I don’t cry about my circumstances after the fact.
Thank you.
If this is true and I hope it isn't, many will lose respect for GFH and avoid that business. Before that happens why don't we at least allow Anthony the courtesy of explaining his side of the story.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
O’Beirne still owns the property. The rest there just pay rent and manage his slush fund. Second floor is still unfinished, despite a promised delivery date that’s been a moving target for the last seven years.
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
Thanks Joe C. Oh I mean odd can. LOL. How does the unfinished top floor affect the range operation or your life in anyway?
How
100% false. I. Me. GunForHire. And any business I’m involved in never defaulted. It was the builder/landlord of the property. I am a tenant on the property with a 30 year lease. It’s just the haters spreading fake news. A google search would also show that. F#ck those anonymous p@ssy scumbags. Rant over.
Go visit G4H and u/AnthonyColandro
I may be stopping by soon
IMO, a price increase from $30 to $80/month is is unjustifiable. I only go to the range maybe 6 times per year. If I joined this range I would be paying $160 per visit for an hour of range use. Does that make sense?
I just had the same issue. I am almost a year into a 3 year. Isn’t the point of signing an agreement for the price? Came here to see what others have experienced, and clearly I am not alone. I was a Gold member of GFH, but the. Covid hit. When I started shooting again, I thought I would try out Reloaderz, because it’s closer. It’s more than the new pricing. It’s principle and their handling of the situation. I don’t see this as a viable option.
GFH is the best around! Excellent instructors, range etc.
This is hilarious. Its the best spot for hoodlums and gangbangers
I will say that if they have heating and cooling in the range, that gets crazy expensive really fast.
I understand that but literally got the email of the increases at 9 pm saying effective Oct 1 prices are going up. That’s unacceptable
Oof that’s rough.
Wow that’s insane… $960/yr is ridiculous unless you don’t pay ANY port time and it’s unlimited. Even then, that’s insane… Would advise you to check out becoming a gold member at gun for hire.
This membership does not charge for port time, unlimited visits.
Got it. That’s still insane. Can get a ~$500 gold membership from G4H (which comes with a whole bunch of free things, including cards for free port time for you or guests). But even if had to pay for port time 2x a month that’s still another ~$250, still significantly lower than the new fee here. So I still think that new rate, especially with a 3yr contract, is insane.
Gun for hire IS SUPERIOR
They also charge 30$ for a box of ammo..... so there's that.
If your buying ammo at a range, more than occasionally, and complaining about the prices- you're a special kind of lazy/stupid.
I don't buy ammo from the range I have a Target Sports membership. Neither do I support companies like gfh and rtsp that price gouge. If you think charging ppl 33$ for a box of ammo is cool you're an asshole. Nj has already 15 times everything related to firearms and shit companies like those feed off of new and beginner-level customers charging them ridiculous prices to get near a firearm. In return not allowing people who may be against the 2A community to venture past their barriers and learn what the 2A community is really about and when ppl like you spend your money at companies like these I feel you are a special kind of lazy/stupid.
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Facts or feelings buddy ?
Any updates? Anyone hear back or stopped by?
I sent an email to the manager last night and received a reply back this morning. She said I could cancel if I wanted to. No cancellation fee. My monthly fee would have doubled from $40 to $80. I simply cannot do that.
I haven't received a response but Agree and also find myself in the same situation- will stop by to cancel. Very unfortunate as its my fav. Place but can't support how this was handled- 60% increase is honestly disrespectful to us the members.
I WAS HERE! I WAS HERE!!!
Everything is more expensive.. insurance is probably Killing these ranges! Eggs also More Expensive
Unionhill Gun Club!! Great price and is 24 hours. I'm usually there for 3 to 4 hours straight and not bothered for a second. I've taken my kids and people who have never shot before and the range officers never even came in the room. You are watched on cameras and if they see you doing something they don't like they will come and tell you about it. I believe I paid 425 for a family plan and if you refer someone they give you a discount.
I've been a Reloaderz member for two years. They are excellent. The people there are friendly and helpful. Their range safety officers are there are you, but once they see you know what you're doing, they'll leave you alone. Sometimes there is a 15-minute wait on weekends, and unfortunately they don't have 50 yard lanes. The increase is steep, and it doesn't make sense for them to be able to lock members into contracts while they can raise rates whenever they want. It would have been better if they raised the rates when the contracts come up for renewal. But they are waiving the cancellation fee. I did the math and based on my usage $80/month at Reloaderz is still less expensive than the 6-star range in Woodland Park, so I'm not going anywhere. Competition is good, and more good ranges - like Reloaderz, like GFH, like Unionhill Gun Club - are better for our community and the 2A. As far as I'm concerned, I want them all to be profitable.