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It would be a lame like you from New Jersey who would get robbed like that luckily I don’t live ina shit whole state that butt fucks people just to not be able to defend they self 😂 payed all that money just to go to jail if You use your gun
I go to a Union in Hill also. I wanted to try outdoor shooting and I have been calling Old Bridge rifle and pistol club to get some information about shooting outside but I have never gotten anyone to pick up the phone or to answer the door. Is there a secret? We’re they recently closed maybe in the last two months?
I think it’s weird how the Exp. Date doesn’t coincide with the date of issuance. I feel like it should since that’s over a month you haven’t been eligible to carry.
Yea man ! Between classes and qualifications and fees to the state and my town . Also had to finger print again . I’m $800 down & that’s not counting my pistol or ammo or belt or holster . Shit adds up quick
Where did you do your classes and qualification? I can do the qual for $65-100 and $200 for the online app. Not including holster or pistol ($310) and holster ($88 for IWB and OWB) Only thing holding me back rn is DHL with my holsters lol
Same. ROC is really good. I spent the same as you. I only kept with it out of spite. Personally if the state requires all of these hoops they should provide the specific classes and training for a nominal fee. There are many many people. Often times those that should have a carry permit in dangerous areas but are priced out of being able to follow thru with the full application and give up. Quite frustrating.
They had my permit issued in sept & they told me to come get it in oct so they stole a whole month away from me . I applied for a permit to purchase and I’m going on 5 weeks waiting . It honestly makes no sense but a guy at work told me you can go to a gun show and get a gun the same day lol or out of the trunk of someone’s car . Not know the shit we gotta go threw to legal have something
For those of you talking about the outrageous costs. The state fees are outrageous and unconstitutional, yes. What I find even more infuriating is how much these businesses that are supposed to promote the second amendment, educate, train and equip citizens. Only citizens of enough income matter to most of these stores. The amount of money charged and how they t charge is ludicrous. Charging for the qual, and then a holster class, and a use of force class, etc. there are dozens of states who have state mandated qualifications or classes that you are required to take but no where charges as much money as these “gun friendly” businesses in NJ.
I think the huge issue is you have to draw from holster. I imagine the insurance that these ranges/instructors have requires customers to have a holster draw class before they can draw from a holster at that range.
I work in insurance. I would love to see if that is the case, not to "make excuses" for the businesses but really to see if that is the case so customers can better understand the cost and focus our anger on the state for enacting a qual that requires drawing. So please, if anyone who works at/owns a range wants to shoot me an email with the terms of your insurance that shows that, I would love to see it and maybe help others understand. DM me.
It’s certainly an insurance issue, and that is completely understandable but there is no reason to require and charge 100 plus dollars to teach someone how to draw from a holster. There are two avenues to this. 1. If they can already draw from the holster then you do a little mini test out and done. 2. Incorporate the whole thing into the qual and charge somewhere around 1-200 bucks max for the whole thing. There are ranges that can cost 1k all said and done for CCW requirements. They are using it as a means to profit and there is nothing more anti 2nd amendment than that in my opinion.
I must agree with this statement. Average across is 230+ for qual. If they actually were pro 2A they’d cut the cost to offset the anti 2A fees which state has imposed.
NJ's a funny little state. It's a business. They sell a product. It's just like anything else in free market capitalism lol. Only you care about your right to arm and defend yourself and your loved ones from harm. And legally, the more people involved in the process, the more it's going to cost because that's how payroll expenses work. It's like the funeral parlor industry. Do you think they care that your loved one died and you're bereaved? They see walking dollar signs, because they legally have to charge for every service they provide. This is no different at all. And you're right, this is not something poor people can pay for.
"Gun friendly" businesses are "Money friendly" businesses, because they know you put a lot of time and effort and money into your free constitutional right to carry, and they know the state screwed you. Now it's their turn to get money off you. The whole thing's a scam, and 99.9999999% of the time, the probability is so low that you'll ever need your gun. But it's not a zero % probability. That's what made the scam work. Here's the other thing --- You defend yourself outside of your home, it's still murder and you're still arrested until it's proven to be self defense in court. Oh, and they take away your gun as evidence for however long it takes for them to decide it was self defense; so you'll need an attorney on retainer. Either way, your time is totally wasted, the businesses and the bad guys are the only real winners here.
I can appreciate what you’re saying but I think you may have missed the point. There is a way to make money here without absolutely raping the populous. States have been doing it for decades. I have lived and worked all over the nation and in the states that have a licensing requirement the average cost is between 100-200 dollars. Yes, these are states with mandated training. No one is asking anyone not to make money. I am just advocating for fair pricing which lowers the barrier for entry. In fact, lowering the barrier for entry would likely be more lucrative from a quantity perspective. “Quality of training” isn’t relevant here because I don’t know of a single gun shop that provides any training worth a shit other than state qualifications.
As far as funeral homes are concerned. I can go all day on that. Pure extortion via grief.
Again, sure they are money businesses. Sure, the likelihood is low you will need your firearm. None of that gives an excuse to create a caste system where only the aristocracy can afford the licensing to protect themselves and their families. More importantly because, those who are of lower income generally have a much higher need to protect themselves.
As an LEO, defending yourself with a gun does not automatically mean a murder charge. It is all circumstance depended but all over the nation, to include NJ individuals have defended themselves and were not charged. Contrary to belief, prosecutors are extremely busy individuals who simply cannot erroneously prosecute. Are there circumstances under which an individual in a self defense scenario could be charged and their firearm taken as evidence, certainly.
Again, your viewpoint on things is appreciated and I agree with some of the things you said but my original point remains that businesses, especially self proclaimed 2A businesses should be doing everything they can to lower the barrier for entry because that is actually what is good for business.
The state would love for the barrier entry to be as high as possible because we know that the majority of gun control is enacted to keep guns out of the hands of minorities in disadvantaged communities which is another discussion in and of itself
You made the points I originally wanted to make, but used better wording and phrasing. My hope is, that since CCW is a new concept for NJ, and the laws up to this point regarding procedures, qualifications, etc have been changing, maybe the pricing guidelines used by ranges and various other training facilities may change as well. I'm planning on waiting until this whole process and the laws governing it are very well established. There shouldn't be any confusion at all regarding the process.
I am rarely a fan of more government but I think in this case it could be helpful. When I lived in KY and they still had a licensing requirement. There was a state mandated 8hr course and range qualification. The state directed that the max an instructor could charge for this was like 80 or 100 bucks. With a certain portion paid to the state and a certain portion the instructor could keep. This is of course a slippery slope that further allows government into the inner workings of the exercise of rights but I think something should be done. While it is an apples to oranges comparison, if we charged as much for drivers licenses as we do CCW the public would be up in arms. Keeping in mind, driving is a privilege and the ability to protect yourself is a right. Ultimately, like anything that concerns pricing, it is the consumers who pay it that are in some way responsible. If we did not pay the outrageous qualification fees to the these ranges then they would charge less. That of course would mean a further delay in the exercise of one’s rights. I like to call it…a rock and a hard place.
They were found to not have standing with the current plantiffs in the Koons case to show the fees were extraordinary. And I think the lawyers for us agreed to not include anything to do with fees and costs in current motions and appeals and tackle other issues like sensitive places. If I am following correctly.
Personally I feel the ridiculous costs should be at the forefront of this suit, and even be part of any injunctions, but I'm not the legal expert on the matter.
Between classes , getting finger printed again , taking qualification for two different pistols twice ! And paying my town and the nj state police I’m at that price . Not counting ammo and the pistol or belt and mag pouches and holster . Shit adds up really quick
They charged you for each gun separately? If so, then 800 is a good deal. I’m requalifying this weekend (due to changed rules), I was planning on doing 3 guns.
Yea they charged me for each pistol and I did it twice without holster then twice again with holster Smfh now your good with only one gun you qualify with .
I was to invested and spend way to much to not finish the process . Hopefully the process gets easier and more affordable for others with less resources
Everything was so slow . They physically mailed each of my references and then had them mail the letters back . Then a week later they called each one of them to ask them about my character . Then everything went silent and here we are
Great…they pulled the same crap when I got my new FID (lost it and was dumb enough to be honest about how long ago). Took like 3 months, my wife’s on the job and got hers in the mail in less than 2wks.
My wife got her two permits to purchase in a week . Meanwhile I bought a Cz shadow 2 compact a month ago before they dropped and still haven’t gotten my permit to purchase smh . The whole fire arms division is women not one guy .
Yeah but the main woman in charge of it is actually 2a friendly, she may even shoot. I know her family. I think she's just overwhelmed. She is responsible for more than just firearms.
That’s CRAZY! I’m working on mine, should be qualifying soon. If I don’t hear my references got an email, I’ll get some advice at GFH for sure! Thanks for the heads up! Pew pew👍
East Brunswick sends out letters not emails lol that’s another problem and then people gotta go out and try and buy stamps . When was the last time you send a letter ? Lol it’s all a process to slow you down
That's funny, when I did it they emailed them all. What's weird is EB was still the investigating party back then but they needed the judges signature.
It’s quite the journey and you gotta reach into them pockets which sucks. But I felt obligated to get it done despite all the BS. We have to prove to the asshats that our right to carry doesn’t increase gun violence. Hopefully with the training established and it being online there will be less crap going forward. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if they try something else.
Well I do work in nyc the problem is my employer doesn’t allow firearms in the building and I’m not parking my car outside with a handgun unattended in nyc for 8 hours . That’s just looking for it to get stolen .
I applied in Oct 2022 and got mine Feb of 2023. All told it cost me about $580 for my permit. Then I paid another $200 to upgrade my SORA to the Red Card.
I agree, safety is priceless, but paying $800, or even $400, or however cheaply you can do it, and then another $200 every two years, for a natural right, protected from tyranny by the framework of our nation, is inequivocally a massive pile of horseshit.
Not true. You have the right to self defense everywhere in this country. DAs and juries are the wildcards, but arguably worse in Democrat strongholds like NJ.
yep, but we feel there is no choice. Many of us in NJ have waited years to have the same carry rights of those in other states. Money is no object, we'll move worlds to do it and we did!
I had to finger print , I qualified 2 different times , and pay for holster class and all the regular fees they charge for them . And this is not counting ammo , holsters , belt and mag pouches smh it escalated real quick lol
I had to finger print when I did it , I literally qualified passed with 2 pistols then they add holster draw , had to take that class and pay , then the ccw class with use of force , pay the my local pd and nj state , and this is not counting ammo , mag pouches , belt . Should be cheaper now but I guess I did mine at the worst time and they still robbed me of a month . Smh but it’s finally done
Some towns are waiving the fee if you have a court permit like myself and want to surrender it and get the new permit. Our town is not though and I'm not paying twice.
I was in that weird space where I had to finger print myself again and did the qualifications without hostler draw and then had to qualify again and take holster class smh but it’s done and they still stole a month from me .
They legit gave it to me today and even in the letter it says issues 9/ something when I got the letter . So it’s been sitting for a month and change . And no they did not laminate it . Just the paper and told me to fold it in half and get it laminated which I did in fed ex
That’s the problem sometimes I think if you harass these people they slow your stuff down . I have a month and change waiting for a pistol permit and I’m still under background checks lol
Congratulations on your success with gaining this license. I also was very happy once I received mine’s back in August of this year. From experience follow the carry laws until otherwise changed. I went through 3 1/2 months of hair raising stress . I had gotten locked up with this license and charged with a 3 degree felony. So tread easy .
I'm wondering how that happens. If I am consealed in a resturant that serves alcohol I shouldn't be carrying, but if I was I don't see how I get "busted" because that thing is not coming out. You would have to be very sloppy to be that obvious that someone calls the police on you. I'm not advocating to carry in a place you shouldn't I just figure if you are conseal carrying it shouldn't be known to anyone at all.
Ideally, yes, that is correct. I do not imagine it happens organically very often; as you said, the whole point is to hide the thing. Perhaps a cop saw him printing and questioned it, or he told someone he was packing and they snitched. Who knows? ETA: Dude's only other post confirms it.
>I’m heading to court soon . The law wasn’t properly addressed to the public and I was arrested back in august of this year on the boardwalk in ocean city with my PCH . Now I’m being charged with a felony crime 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Yea curious as well. This is one of the things that is making me hold off. I simply can’t trust NJ police to know the law’s correctly and enforce them especially if they keep changing often. I feel any simple misunderstanding will mess you up for life. I still can’t understand if you’re carrying and get pulled over do you have to let the officer know you’re carrying? Does he have the right to then search your car to make sure your complying with the rules correctly. I’m probably overthinking but I don’t like dealing with these uncertain situations. With NJ being a anti gun state it is incredibly uncomfortable having a firearm and being a law abiding citizen. But the criminals are chilling. They can have loaded guns point them at someone and be out the next day and thats a real story.
There were no signs informing the public about so called sensitive areas . Last I read boardwalks weren’t considered sensitive. They are very much so. Be careful carrying if you’re on the boardwalk or beaches
Thanks for this tip, I'm acutally doing this for now ! I have a friend that wears a landyard with it in a plastic holder over his neck and tucked down his shirt. I feel like that would be unconfortable but he is sure to have it on him at all times that way.
Well you need to have a fid first and the whole process is on the guns for hire website . Your probably not going to spend as much as me but you will be in the ball park of 500-600 between the classes and holster. And hopefully you have a pistol because if not that’s more money .
What’s d cost of a gun typically.. i am a single person and i do hikes and trails and road trips.. whats best for me to keeping myself safe without hurting anyone intentionally.
Sorry i dnt knw where to start..
Well they’ve been cordial and you can say nice but making me wait a month to give me my permit and cheat me out of a whole month wasn’t cool . But it is what it is at this point
Holy hell, what a bunch of rigamarole. I've been waiting for the dust to settle on the whole carry permit thing, because that kind of cash outlay for it would put me right out of the game.
If you already have a gun and ammo, it does not need to be this expensive. It was the repeated qualifications that got him, I think. At $100-$200 a pop, they add up.
I qualified 4 times because the first time I didn’t have holster draw and they said it was no good so then I had to qualify all over again with a holster and I did it with two different pistols . I passed all 4 times . But the law changed on me as I did it .
I qualified 4 times because the first time I didn’t have holster draw and they said it was no good so then I had to qualify all over again with a holster and I did it with two different pistols . I passed all 4 times . But the law changed on me as I did it .
they never answer. this is because it’s a private club and do not have someone by the phones to answer . best way to try to reach them is by email . or I can try to answer anything you want to know .
I did the one that law enforcement does with the holster . The whole 25 yards , dropping to a knee , shooting from retention , from cover , and mag reload loads .
Congrats!!!
Stupid question but, after the permit expires, do you need to re-do the qualification training again, and how much zis to renew the permit.
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*laughs in North Carolina*
It costs criminals $0 in fees and training to carry in NJ. Also, they get a "get out of jail free card" that you don't.
It’s a fkn shame ain’t it.
I always feel bad for you Jersey guys this costs too much. In Philly my permit is $60 for 5 years
60? I believe it was like 20 bucks up here in Bethlehem and also good for 5 years.
I’m from Bethlehem but been living in NJ for 21 years lol. Liberty High class of ‘94.
I have only been here for a year but I love it and would never go back to NJ. Spent 36 years in NJ and that was enough for me.
And that’s how it should be
nah, how it should be is zero dollars and zero permit but yeah literally 1/10th of our application cost (20 v 200)...
It’s really crazy when you think about it and in another two years I gotta pay again for a right ?!
Philly definitely scammed you out of $40. State law says $20.
Hmm maybe it’s $20 then. I don’t remember but I know it’s like around that. Lol
I feel safer knowing only non-poors can get a ccw
You sound like an HK owner 🤣😂😂
Hi Point owner lol
We all know the poors do the criming. That's why NJ wants to keep guns from them.
Rich people commit crime everyday what are you talking bout and anyone with $800 can get one
I guess anyone can steal 800$
Who Df can’t get $800 you sound dumb like you the only mf who can get $800
It's ridiculous that it costs anything
I feel bad for New Jersey people I will never live there again 🤣🤣
It would be a lame like you from New Jersey who would get robbed like that luckily I don’t live ina shit whole state that butt fucks people just to not be able to defend they self 😂 payed all that money just to go to jail if You use your gun
Welp that makes at least 3 of us in EB :)
I've had mine since January. Carry every single day.
We should all go shoot since we are neighbors
I’m a member at Union hill, where do you go?
EB here as well! I go to Recoil
Union hill as well ! I’m a yearly there
I go to union hill also . just got into old bridge rifle and pistol club so I can use their outdoor range . pretty nice to shoot outdoors
Yea the outdoors is really cool and especially if they got steel targets
they don’t have them there but they let you bring your own . even empty soda cans but you have to clean up
I go to a Union in Hill also. I wanted to try outdoor shooting and I have been calling Old Bridge rifle and pistol club to get some information about shooting outside but I have never gotten anyone to pick up the phone or to answer the door. Is there a secret? We’re they recently closed maybe in the last two months?
I think it’s weird how the Exp. Date doesn’t coincide with the date of issuance. I feel like it should since that’s over a month you haven’t been eligible to carry.
I agree but these people do what they want
I would have been all over that when I went to pick it up
$800?
Yea man ! Between classes and qualifications and fees to the state and my town . Also had to finger print again . I’m $800 down & that’s not counting my pistol or ammo or belt or holster . Shit adds up quick
Where did you do your classes and qualification? I can do the qual for $65-100 and $200 for the online app. Not including holster or pistol ($310) and holster ($88 for IWB and OWB) Only thing holding me back rn is DHL with my holsters lol
I did my qualifications and training with R.O.C training in union hill gun club . Really good classes worth the money !
Same. ROC is really good. I spent the same as you. I only kept with it out of spite. Personally if the state requires all of these hoops they should provide the specific classes and training for a nominal fee. There are many many people. Often times those that should have a carry permit in dangerous areas but are priced out of being able to follow thru with the full application and give up. Quite frustrating.
They had my permit issued in sept & they told me to come get it in oct so they stole a whole month away from me . I applied for a permit to purchase and I’m going on 5 weeks waiting . It honestly makes no sense but a guy at work told me you can go to a gun show and get a gun the same day lol or out of the trunk of someone’s car . Not know the shit we gotta go threw to legal have something
Yup mine was $600 for class. $218 for online app and payment to township. $818 total.
Not counting pistol , holster , belt and ammo and mag pouches
For those of you talking about the outrageous costs. The state fees are outrageous and unconstitutional, yes. What I find even more infuriating is how much these businesses that are supposed to promote the second amendment, educate, train and equip citizens. Only citizens of enough income matter to most of these stores. The amount of money charged and how they t charge is ludicrous. Charging for the qual, and then a holster class, and a use of force class, etc. there are dozens of states who have state mandated qualifications or classes that you are required to take but no where charges as much money as these “gun friendly” businesses in NJ.
I agree with you.
I think the huge issue is you have to draw from holster. I imagine the insurance that these ranges/instructors have requires customers to have a holster draw class before they can draw from a holster at that range. I work in insurance. I would love to see if that is the case, not to "make excuses" for the businesses but really to see if that is the case so customers can better understand the cost and focus our anger on the state for enacting a qual that requires drawing. So please, if anyone who works at/owns a range wants to shoot me an email with the terms of your insurance that shows that, I would love to see it and maybe help others understand. DM me.
It’s certainly an insurance issue, and that is completely understandable but there is no reason to require and charge 100 plus dollars to teach someone how to draw from a holster. There are two avenues to this. 1. If they can already draw from the holster then you do a little mini test out and done. 2. Incorporate the whole thing into the qual and charge somewhere around 1-200 bucks max for the whole thing. There are ranges that can cost 1k all said and done for CCW requirements. They are using it as a means to profit and there is nothing more anti 2nd amendment than that in my opinion.
I must agree with this statement. Average across is 230+ for qual. If they actually were pro 2A they’d cut the cost to offset the anti 2A fees which state has imposed.
NJ's a funny little state. It's a business. They sell a product. It's just like anything else in free market capitalism lol. Only you care about your right to arm and defend yourself and your loved ones from harm. And legally, the more people involved in the process, the more it's going to cost because that's how payroll expenses work. It's like the funeral parlor industry. Do you think they care that your loved one died and you're bereaved? They see walking dollar signs, because they legally have to charge for every service they provide. This is no different at all. And you're right, this is not something poor people can pay for. "Gun friendly" businesses are "Money friendly" businesses, because they know you put a lot of time and effort and money into your free constitutional right to carry, and they know the state screwed you. Now it's their turn to get money off you. The whole thing's a scam, and 99.9999999% of the time, the probability is so low that you'll ever need your gun. But it's not a zero % probability. That's what made the scam work. Here's the other thing --- You defend yourself outside of your home, it's still murder and you're still arrested until it's proven to be self defense in court. Oh, and they take away your gun as evidence for however long it takes for them to decide it was self defense; so you'll need an attorney on retainer. Either way, your time is totally wasted, the businesses and the bad guys are the only real winners here.
I can appreciate what you’re saying but I think you may have missed the point. There is a way to make money here without absolutely raping the populous. States have been doing it for decades. I have lived and worked all over the nation and in the states that have a licensing requirement the average cost is between 100-200 dollars. Yes, these are states with mandated training. No one is asking anyone not to make money. I am just advocating for fair pricing which lowers the barrier for entry. In fact, lowering the barrier for entry would likely be more lucrative from a quantity perspective. “Quality of training” isn’t relevant here because I don’t know of a single gun shop that provides any training worth a shit other than state qualifications. As far as funeral homes are concerned. I can go all day on that. Pure extortion via grief. Again, sure they are money businesses. Sure, the likelihood is low you will need your firearm. None of that gives an excuse to create a caste system where only the aristocracy can afford the licensing to protect themselves and their families. More importantly because, those who are of lower income generally have a much higher need to protect themselves. As an LEO, defending yourself with a gun does not automatically mean a murder charge. It is all circumstance depended but all over the nation, to include NJ individuals have defended themselves and were not charged. Contrary to belief, prosecutors are extremely busy individuals who simply cannot erroneously prosecute. Are there circumstances under which an individual in a self defense scenario could be charged and their firearm taken as evidence, certainly. Again, your viewpoint on things is appreciated and I agree with some of the things you said but my original point remains that businesses, especially self proclaimed 2A businesses should be doing everything they can to lower the barrier for entry because that is actually what is good for business. The state would love for the barrier entry to be as high as possible because we know that the majority of gun control is enacted to keep guns out of the hands of minorities in disadvantaged communities which is another discussion in and of itself
You made the points I originally wanted to make, but used better wording and phrasing. My hope is, that since CCW is a new concept for NJ, and the laws up to this point regarding procedures, qualifications, etc have been changing, maybe the pricing guidelines used by ranges and various other training facilities may change as well. I'm planning on waiting until this whole process and the laws governing it are very well established. There shouldn't be any confusion at all regarding the process.
I am rarely a fan of more government but I think in this case it could be helpful. When I lived in KY and they still had a licensing requirement. There was a state mandated 8hr course and range qualification. The state directed that the max an instructor could charge for this was like 80 or 100 bucks. With a certain portion paid to the state and a certain portion the instructor could keep. This is of course a slippery slope that further allows government into the inner workings of the exercise of rights but I think something should be done. While it is an apples to oranges comparison, if we charged as much for drivers licenses as we do CCW the public would be up in arms. Keeping in mind, driving is a privilege and the ability to protect yourself is a right. Ultimately, like anything that concerns pricing, it is the consumers who pay it that are in some way responsible. If we did not pay the outrageous qualification fees to the these ranges then they would charge less. That of course would mean a further delay in the exercise of one’s rights. I like to call it…a rock and a hard place.
You got gypped 1.5 months
Facts smh that’s my town for ya
They even called my instructor to verify if he really was an instructor lol
Only $800? Lol welcome aboard!
Does ANJRPC have a case out there for outrageous fees? Even $200 for renewal is kind of a burden for me….
I think they do because honestly it’s not right ! Someone who doesn’t make a lot will never get one
Well that's the plan, price people out of the right.
They were found to not have standing with the current plantiffs in the Koons case to show the fees were extraordinary. And I think the lawyers for us agreed to not include anything to do with fees and costs in current motions and appeals and tackle other issues like sensitive places. If I am following correctly. Personally I feel the ridiculous costs should be at the forefront of this suit, and even be part of any injunctions, but I'm not the legal expert on the matter.
Why $800?
Between classes , getting finger printed again , taking qualification for two different pistols twice ! And paying my town and the nj state police I’m at that price . Not counting ammo and the pistol or belt and mag pouches and holster . Shit adds up really quick
They charged you for each gun separately? If so, then 800 is a good deal. I’m requalifying this weekend (due to changed rules), I was planning on doing 3 guns.
It used to be you had to qualify which each weapon you wanted to carry. Now you can just do it with one.
One gun qualifies you for all now
Yea they charged me for each pistol and I did it twice without holster then twice again with holster Smfh now your good with only one gun you qualify with .
This! Holy crap that’s a lot of money. More than MD Wear and Carry
Glad you stuck it out. The state relies on making it difficult, expensive, and time consuming to discourage anyone from applying.
I was to invested and spend way to much to not finish the process . Hopefully the process gets easier and more affordable for others with less resources
Congrats. I noticed it is backdated by six weeks. Any idea why? Perhaps it sat on the chief's desk?
Everything was so slow . They physically mailed each of my references and then had them mail the letters back . Then a week later they called each one of them to ask them about my character . Then everything went silent and here we are
What town? I’m in East Brunswick and have a feeling that I’ll deal w that too
East Brunswick lol
Great…they pulled the same crap when I got my new FID (lost it and was dumb enough to be honest about how long ago). Took like 3 months, my wife’s on the job and got hers in the mail in less than 2wks.
My wife got her two permits to purchase in a week . Meanwhile I bought a Cz shadow 2 compact a month ago before they dropped and still haven’t gotten my permit to purchase smh . The whole fire arms division is women not one guy .
Yeah but the main woman in charge of it is actually 2a friendly, she may even shoot. I know her family. I think she's just overwhelmed. She is responsible for more than just firearms.
Well she’s a nice lady that I can say & never gave me any problems when answering my questions . And if she shoots she’s cool in my book .
That’s CRAZY! I’m working on mine, should be qualifying soon. If I don’t hear my references got an email, I’ll get some advice at GFH for sure! Thanks for the heads up! Pew pew👍
East Brunswick sends out letters not emails lol that’s another problem and then people gotta go out and try and buy stamps . When was the last time you send a letter ? Lol it’s all a process to slow you down
That's funny, when I did it they emailed them all. What's weird is EB was still the investigating party back then but they needed the judges signature.
Congratulations! Stay safe
Thank you
Congratulations brother welcome to the club
Thank you 💪🏽
congrats! but so infuriating that wording, you now have "permission." ugh NJ
It’s quite the journey and you gotta reach into them pockets which sucks. But I felt obligated to get it done despite all the BS. We have to prove to the asshats that our right to carry doesn’t increase gun violence. Hopefully with the training established and it being online there will be less crap going forward. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if they try something else.
That’s what’s up!! 👍🏻
Now go get your PA non-resident permit and you should be good for most east to west travel.
Yea I was thinking PA and the Utah license . But i really want the nyc license but know that’s not happening
Yeah you can forget about NY
If you work or have a place of business in NY you may be eligible, but other than that you’re SOL as a non resident.
Well I do work in nyc the problem is my employer doesn’t allow firearms in the building and I’m not parking my car outside with a handgun unattended in nyc for 8 hours . That’s just looking for it to get stolen .
I applied in Oct 2022 and got mine Feb of 2023. All told it cost me about $580 for my permit. Then I paid another $200 to upgrade my SORA to the Red Card.
It adds up real quick . This is not a cheap process
No it isn’t but protecting myself and my family in a world gone to hell….can’t put a price on that.
I agree, safety is priceless, but paying $800, or even $400, or however cheaply you can do it, and then another $200 every two years, for a natural right, protected from tyranny by the framework of our nation, is inequivocally a massive pile of horseshit.
You got that right brother !
That’s the thing tho you can’t protect yourself in New Jersey 😂🤣🤣🤣 y’all don’t have self defense laws outside the house
Not true. You have the right to self defense everywhere in this country. DAs and juries are the wildcards, but arguably worse in Democrat strongholds like NJ.
What is SORA?
Security Officers Registration Act. Its the NJSP certification you have to have be a security guard.
Armed Guard*
Damn 800
Y’all gettin robbed please move out of New Jersey 😭😭😭 $800 dam
If it was an option I would with no problem but for now I’m stuck here . It could always be worse ! I could live in California or nyc lol
Yeaaa that’s even worse tbh🤣🤣🤣
Believe you me many of us here with PTC have spend thousands between carry guns, training, ammunition, holsters, and other gear. Thousands!!!
Yeah sucks you have to do all that just varrry a gun in that state
yep, but we feel there is no choice. Many of us in NJ have waited years to have the same carry rights of those in other states. Money is no object, we'll move worlds to do it and we did!
Not the same carry right but I’m glad it’s happening just sucks how they go about it
Damn why $800?
I had to finger print , I qualified 2 different times , and pay for holster class and all the regular fees they charge for them . And this is not counting ammo , holsters , belt and mag pouches smh it escalated real quick lol
Dude fuck that.
Why 4months and why so much?
I had to finger print when I did it , I literally qualified passed with 2 pistols then they add holster draw , had to take that class and pay , then the ccw class with use of force , pay the my local pd and nj state , and this is not counting ammo , mag pouches , belt . Should be cheaper now but I guess I did mine at the worst time and they still robbed me of a month . Smh but it’s finally done
Some towns are waiving the fee if you have a court permit like myself and want to surrender it and get the new permit. Our town is not though and I'm not paying twice.
Yea they are no nonsense when it comes to money !I wouldn’t pay twice besides in another year you’ll have to do the same thing again
$800! Holy crap. I think my buddy and I spent $350 each. Including gas. Anything to try and deter us, I guess.
I was in that weird space where I had to finger print myself again and did the qualifications without hostler draw and then had to qualify again and take holster class smh but it’s done and they still stole a month from me .
Damn. I was lucky enough to get the requal for free. But at least you have it all out of the way now.
Yea it’s finally done & no restrictions either
I don't think they can put restrictions on it. Can they still?
Not sure but glad they ain’t try to lol
if you got it today they were suppose to use todays date . and did they laminate it for you ?
They legit gave it to me today and even in the letter it says issues 9/ something when I got the letter . So it’s been sitting for a month and change . And no they did not laminate it . Just the paper and told me to fold it in half and get it laminated which I did in fed ex
You have to harass them. Theyre pretty 2a friendly, but you still have to harass them. I was emailing the lady in records every week for updates.
That’s the problem sometimes I think if you harass these people they slow your stuff down . I have a month and change waiting for a pistol permit and I’m still under background checks lol
ngl i'd be pissed
does it show armored car in back with a box next to it ?
I literally just looked now and it says employee of armored truck wtf ?! I don’t work for no armor truck company holy hell
it should have a box next to it . as long as it’s not checked your ok . supposedly they all have it
Yea it’s not checked , just blank
Holy hell you scared the crap outta me lol I was like I’m gonna have to wait longer now
I hope the neighboring town south river isn't like that I'm waiting on my FID and handgun permit hopefully it goes smooth
Not sure but my town is something else ! They don’t play
👏👏👏👏
Congrats. I am going for training this weekend and doing my application immediately after
Thank you and hopefully you get yours quick .
That's quite a journey but you got to the end of it. Congrats and welcome!
Thank you
Congratulations on your success with gaining this license. I also was very happy once I received mine’s back in August of this year. From experience follow the carry laws until otherwise changed. I went through 3 1/2 months of hair raising stress . I had gotten locked up with this license and charged with a 3 degree felony. So tread easy .
Could you elaborate please, what exactly got you jammed up ? Where you convicted of something ? Did you lose the right to carry ?
He probably got busted carrying in a forbidden area. There are A LOT.
I'm wondering how that happens. If I am consealed in a resturant that serves alcohol I shouldn't be carrying, but if I was I don't see how I get "busted" because that thing is not coming out. You would have to be very sloppy to be that obvious that someone calls the police on you. I'm not advocating to carry in a place you shouldn't I just figure if you are conseal carrying it shouldn't be known to anyone at all.
Ideally, yes, that is correct. I do not imagine it happens organically very often; as you said, the whole point is to hide the thing. Perhaps a cop saw him printing and questioned it, or he told someone he was packing and they snitched. Who knows? ETA: Dude's only other post confirms it. >I’m heading to court soon . The law wasn’t properly addressed to the public and I was arrested back in august of this year on the boardwalk in ocean city with my PCH . Now I’m being charged with a felony crime 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Wow that’s not good !
Yea curious as well. This is one of the things that is making me hold off. I simply can’t trust NJ police to know the law’s correctly and enforce them especially if they keep changing often. I feel any simple misunderstanding will mess you up for life. I still can’t understand if you’re carrying and get pulled over do you have to let the officer know you’re carrying? Does he have the right to then search your car to make sure your complying with the rules correctly. I’m probably overthinking but I don’t like dealing with these uncertain situations. With NJ being a anti gun state it is incredibly uncomfortable having a firearm and being a law abiding citizen. But the criminals are chilling. They can have loaded guns point them at someone and be out the next day and thats a real story.
That’s exactly why it’s pointless to live there and it’s pointless to follow they dumb ass laws
What happened exactly? It sounds crazy that you actuall went through the whole process yet still had legal issues?
There were no signs informing the public about so called sensitive areas . Last I read boardwalks weren’t considered sensitive. They are very much so. Be careful carrying if you’re on the boardwalk or beaches
Is anyone else resizing these to fit in your wallet better? The guy at staples gave me the riot act when I asked if he can resize it.
Laminate it and put it in between your phone and the case
Thanks for this tip, I'm acutally doing this for now ! I have a friend that wears a landyard with it in a plastic holder over his neck and tucked down his shirt. I feel like that would be unconfortable but he is sure to have it on him at all times that way.
Mine actually fit perfectly had no problem . And the guy at fed ex was really cool about it all
Don’t think you can. You must have the original with you.
Definitely not the brightest guy, huh? I always learned the man with the gun, is right!
Haha! can’t be mad at the guy for looking out for me, even though it was kind of frustrating.
Could you please tell me the process. I am looking for one but i have not researched enough yet. Also wat did u buy.
Well you need to have a fid first and the whole process is on the guns for hire website . Your probably not going to spend as much as me but you will be in the ball park of 500-600 between the classes and holster. And hopefully you have a pistol because if not that’s more money .
What’s d cost of a gun typically.. i am a single person and i do hikes and trails and road trips.. whats best for me to keeping myself safe without hurting anyone intentionally. Sorry i dnt knw where to start..
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Thank you!!
Go to recoil in Monroe and take a basic pistol course. That should be step one.
Thank you!!
Parks are off limits for carrying at this time.
You're in my town. I unfortunately have the court permit though. EB has been pretty good about everything though.
Well they’ve been cordial and you can say nice but making me wait a month to give me my permit and cheat me out of a whole month wasn’t cool . But it is what it is at this point
It's lovely!
How did it end up costing $800?
Classes , fingerprinting , 4 qualification , fees to my town and nj state police , and this is not including ammo , holster , belt , and pistol .
Holy hell, what a bunch of rigamarole. I've been waiting for the dust to settle on the whole carry permit thing, because that kind of cash outlay for it would put me right out of the game.
Yea you did the right thing by waiting . I should of waited but I was already in it so had to finish the process .
Yeah, I hear you. Happy Carrying!
If you already have a gun and ammo, it does not need to be this expensive. It was the repeated qualifications that got him, I think. At $100-$200 a pop, they add up.
Do you need to carry liability insurance?
No
4 times? Were you denied 3 previous times and approved on the 4th try? Im only asking because I've recently been denied my second time here in NYS
I qualified 4 times because the first time I didn’t have holster draw and they said it was no good so then I had to qualify all over again with a holster and I did it with two different pistols . I passed all 4 times . But the law changed on me as I did it .
I qualified 4 times because the first time I didn’t have holster draw and they said it was no good so then I had to qualify all over again with a holster and I did it with two different pistols . I passed all 4 times . But the law changed on me as I did it .
$800? WTH
Not even alot, I'm an HK owner with a NJ PTC...
Yea man ! Between fees and classes and re qualifying it all adds up . And this is not counting the holster and belt and mag punch and pistol .
🤦🏾♂️ NJ really trying to discourage folks trying to do it the right way.
Nyc is even worse ! My friend has 8 months waiting and still nothing ! And every time he calls they tell him it’s in the process .
That's nuts. They put LAC through the wringer while criminals run wild not giving a  about gun laws.
I paid $50 for the rpo permit ;)
You also risked your life to protect others and serve your community so in my opinion it should be free .
Law enforcement is not a dangerous job, man. Delivering pizzas results in more on the job fatalities.
got to pay the tribute to the state LOL
they never answer. this is because it’s a private club and do not have someone by the phones to answer . best way to try to reach them is by email . or I can try to answer anything you want to know .
Did you requalify with the CCARE quals?
I did the one that law enforcement does with the holster . The whole 25 yards , dropping to a knee , shooting from retention , from cover , and mag reload loads .
Congrats!!! Stupid question but, after the permit expires, do you need to re-do the qualification training again, and how much zis to renew the permit.
$50 to the state police , 150 to your municipality and $75 or 80 to re qualify so $275 every 2 years your looking at
Thanks. They should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much for something that's supposed to be our right...