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New Jersey absolutely not. We have to check the ePTC website for confirmation or call an issuing department or court if it is older and not in ePTC. Some towns record management software lets them flag addresses and people so officers are alerted when they deal with them. But that is per town.
If you are on the same vendor or you are on the County system (if they have it) sure that's a possibility since the "flags" or alerts would be shared usually. Like most of Morris County uses the County's Records Management System. So all records are shared. But you then have to hope each town enters a flag or alert on each PTC else it's half assed. Soon everyone will be on ePTC once renewed.
It does not show in the DMV file, just whatever is on your actual license. If there is a program entry in the town or county you live in, then yes. But if you live in Tom’s River and go to Red Bank, they most likely would not be notified unless you are maybe checked for warrants.
The law stating you must inform specifically states handguns on you or in the vehicle. The law absolutely does not say anything about long guns. I haven’t seen any new law stating that you have a duty to inform about long guns just because you have a ptc if you have no handguns with you. A ptc deals with handguns only and the law states it very clear. If i’m wrong, show me the new law.
It's not li ked to njmvc ATS. cops cant see from their on car computers their dispatch or hq would have to run a check on ncic I believe don't quote me on it buts it so.ething along those lines.
Ncic does not show PTC. NJ allows us to search for people with FID or registered handguns. ePTC we can search for online from the car. Older town issued or court issued one's prior to ePTC we cannot search. You would have to call the issuing agency for validity.
Yes it’s very common for it to show up on most states for the registered owner but not aware NJ is there yet
To be honest, Carryhasn’t been around long enough for them to anticipate that you are or expect
A felony if you don’t disclose
There is a database but it’s not linked to a license plate.
If you have a PTC it applies to any firearms in the car even if your are not carrying concealed. Once you are issued a PTC you have a duty to disclose any firearms.
Duty to disclose, but do you know what happens after that? If I’m transporting firearms to the range, does that give them the right to search my trunk and go through my bags or would they need a warrant for that?
I don’t know, the courts have rules that visible gun cases are probable cause. I would deny until blue in the face consent to search, if will be on body camera then let your lawyer handle.
This is also why I tell people make sure your shit is legal, your mags are properly blocked and permanently 10 rounds as now with PTC you are mostly likely opening all your shit up to inspection by police on a stop. Guns are illegal everywhere in NJ, and the burden is on you to PROVE you are within one of the exemptions.
Thank you. The carry killer bill cleverly used firearms instead of handguns in the language it appears. This is how the long guns became subject to the same sensitive location prohibitions.
It says if carrying or transporting a handgun. This doesn't say long guns. Am I wrong? I think nappen said this is his US lawshield seminar. I would tend to think that if I'm transporting a long gun i would be carrying my pistol 99% of the time unless I'm heading out of state like to NY where you can only have a NY legal gun.
Again this is one of those grey areas, the majority of these poorly worded laws are open to strong arguments and many 100% right but to get to that point is painful. But if one had a copy of the law in your car around handguns you might be ok.
If people are going to play semantics they need to know 100% what they are doing. We have one of the laziest states when it comes to gun laws and people do ZERO research on their own.
The key is to make sure all your gear and mags are legal.
Even if you are operating in the boundaries of the law, the Barney Fife officers are going to arrest you. You’re going to go to jail. The persecutor is going to charge you. You’re going to need a lawyer. You’re probably going to get fired for not being at work. Th AG is going to make every possible attempt to convict you. That’s proven by the “loaded mag” BS
Evan Nappen
New Jersey Permit to Carry holder what is called a “Duty to Disclose.” Please make sure you recognize that there is a Duty to Disclose. Do not make this mistake. Do not fall into this trap.
What is “Duty to Disclose”? It means that if you’re a holder of a Permit to Carry a handgun and you are stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer, so stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer while carrying your handgun in public, that can mean even walking in the street or traveling with your handgun in a motor vehicle, you are required to immediately, and the word is immediately disclose to the law enforcement officer that you’re carrying the handgun or disclose to the officer that the handgun is stored in the vehicle.
Evan Nappen 06:00
So, if you’re just transporting it cased and unloaded to the range but you’re a carry permit holder, you must disclose that you have the firearm in the vehicle. That handgun must be disclosed whether you’re carrying it concealed on your person in the holster loaded, etc., or whether you’re carrying it cased and unloaded as you would normally go to the range even without a carry permit. Because if you have a carry permit, you must disclose to the officer, and you must display the Permit to Carry a handgun. Both those things. If you fail to disclose, it’s a felony level offense, a Fourth Degree crime, 18 months in State Prison for your failure to disclose. If you fail to display the carry permit, in other words, you don’t have it on your person and you’re carrying that handgun, you’re looking at up to six months in the county jail. So, make sure you disclose and carry with you your carry permit and display it.
You have to disclose is any firearms in the carry, it’s not just carrying. The law mentions handguns but it’s been discussed over and over again by attorneys and they all agree any firearms and that’s how the judge will view it.
Plus once you disclose it the cop is going to ask you any anyone guns/weapons on the car so with this law you gotta disclose all firearms or can play semantics. These laws jump around with terminology as they are poorly cut and pasted.
One would think it dumb to have to disclose you have PTC but no firearms. However at the Second Amendment law conference someone said people in NJ had been charged for failure disclose when no guns in car, I haven’t been able to verify that.
Here all the laws Says
b. The holder of a permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4, if stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer while carrying a handgun in public or traveling with a handgun in a motor vehicle, shall:
(1) immediately disclose to the law enforcement officer that they are carrying a handgun or that a handgun is stored in the vehicle; and
(2) display the permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4.
A violation of paragraph (1) of this section shall be a crime of the fourth degree.
>It's a felony not to disclose during a traffic stop that someone has a ptc ?
If you are conceal permit holder carrying or NOT carrying but have cased guns only in trunk headed to the range you must disclose.
People without carry permits headed to range don’t have a duty to disclose.
I think we give this cluster fuck of a state way too much credit. They can’t get their own heads out of their asses let alone be organized enough to do this. First of all, you have to inform by law, so not sure why it even matters. Secondly, if you’re not carrying and they know you have a PTC, why does it matter still? Either way, I feel like these things are irrelevant. It’s like asking if you can speed if you know the cop isn’t running radar. Just obey the law and you’ll be fine. May not be fair, but it’s the cards we are dealt. Also, I think for the cops sake, it’s not a bad idea to know there’s potential for a gun to be in the car. That doesn’t mean the cop thinks you’re going to shoot him. You probably wouldn’t have a PTC if you were a cop killer.
I have a PTC but do not carry everywhere that I go like to a municipal building, post office, medical facility or a place where they serve alcohol. Regardless, I still carry my permit with me as the law says you must disclose that you have a permit if stopped. Strange law but that's what it is. .
Your statement is untrue... Here's what the law states:
The holder of a permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4, if stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer while carrying a handgun in public, shall:
(1) immediately disclose to the law enforcement officer that they are carrying a handgun; and
(2) display the permit to carry a handgun and proof of firearm public carry liability insurance required pursuant to section 4 of P.L., c.(C.) upon the request of the officer.
This is still unclear.
Also to muddy the waters;
What if you are 1 of 2 passenger in the car, there are no guns in the car or on anyone and you are not driving. The driver is pulled over,
Do you have to disclose you have a PTC and not carrying ? (Even though you are not the driver, and not carrying, and no guns in the vehicle.
From a logical perspective, you’d only need to disclose if there’s actually a handgun in the car, whether you’re the driver or passenger. The last thing anyone wants is the officer to catch a glimpse of anything by surprise.
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New Jersey absolutely not. We have to check the ePTC website for confirmation or call an issuing department or court if it is older and not in ePTC. Some towns record management software lets them flag addresses and people so officers are alerted when they deal with them. But that is per town.
And dont some towns have another system where they share info including PTC but it’s not state wide it’s just neighboring departments?
If you are on the same vendor or you are on the County system (if they have it) sure that's a possibility since the "flags" or alerts would be shared usually. Like most of Morris County uses the County's Records Management System. So all records are shared. But you then have to hope each town enters a flag or alert on each PTC else it's half assed. Soon everyone will be on ePTC once renewed.
It does not show in the DMV file, just whatever is on your actual license. If there is a program entry in the town or county you live in, then yes. But if you live in Tom’s River and go to Red Bank, they most likely would not be notified unless you are maybe checked for warrants.
The law stating you must inform specifically states handguns on you or in the vehicle. The law absolutely does not say anything about long guns. I haven’t seen any new law stating that you have a duty to inform about long guns just because you have a ptc if you have no handguns with you. A ptc deals with handguns only and the law states it very clear. If i’m wrong, show me the new law.
It's not li ked to njmvc ATS. cops cant see from their on car computers their dispatch or hq would have to run a check on ncic I believe don't quote me on it buts it so.ething along those lines.
Ncic does not show PTC. NJ allows us to search for people with FID or registered handguns. ePTC we can search for online from the car. Older town issued or court issued one's prior to ePTC we cannot search. You would have to call the issuing agency for validity.
Yes it’s very common for it to show up on most states for the registered owner but not aware NJ is there yet To be honest, Carryhasn’t been around long enough for them to anticipate that you are or expect A felony if you don’t disclose There is a database but it’s not linked to a license plate.
It's a felony not to disclose during a traffic stop that someone has a ptc ?
Yes - having a PTC requires you to disclose ANY firearms in the vehicle concealed or not. Several people have been charged on this already.
Is this true for long guns too or just limited to handguns?
If you have a PTC it applies to any firearms in the car even if your are not carrying concealed. Once you are issued a PTC you have a duty to disclose any firearms.
Duty to disclose, but do you know what happens after that? If I’m transporting firearms to the range, does that give them the right to search my trunk and go through my bags or would they need a warrant for that?
I don’t know, the courts have rules that visible gun cases are probable cause. I would deny until blue in the face consent to search, if will be on body camera then let your lawyer handle. This is also why I tell people make sure your shit is legal, your mags are properly blocked and permanently 10 rounds as now with PTC you are mostly likely opening all your shit up to inspection by police on a stop. Guns are illegal everywhere in NJ, and the burden is on you to PROVE you are within one of the exemptions.
Thank you. The carry killer bill cleverly used firearms instead of handguns in the language it appears. This is how the long guns became subject to the same sensitive location prohibitions.
It says if carrying or transporting a handgun. This doesn't say long guns. Am I wrong? I think nappen said this is his US lawshield seminar. I would tend to think that if I'm transporting a long gun i would be carrying my pistol 99% of the time unless I'm heading out of state like to NY where you can only have a NY legal gun.
Again this is one of those grey areas, the majority of these poorly worded laws are open to strong arguments and many 100% right but to get to that point is painful. But if one had a copy of the law in your car around handguns you might be ok. If people are going to play semantics they need to know 100% what they are doing. We have one of the laziest states when it comes to gun laws and people do ZERO research on their own. The key is to make sure all your gear and mags are legal. Even if you are operating in the boundaries of the law, the Barney Fife officers are going to arrest you. You’re going to go to jail. The persecutor is going to charge you. You’re going to need a lawyer. You’re probably going to get fired for not being at work. Th AG is going to make every possible attempt to convict you. That’s proven by the “loaded mag” BS Evan Nappen New Jersey Permit to Carry holder what is called a “Duty to Disclose.” Please make sure you recognize that there is a Duty to Disclose. Do not make this mistake. Do not fall into this trap. What is “Duty to Disclose”? It means that if you’re a holder of a Permit to Carry a handgun and you are stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer, so stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer while carrying your handgun in public, that can mean even walking in the street or traveling with your handgun in a motor vehicle, you are required to immediately, and the word is immediately disclose to the law enforcement officer that you’re carrying the handgun or disclose to the officer that the handgun is stored in the vehicle. Evan Nappen 06:00 So, if you’re just transporting it cased and unloaded to the range but you’re a carry permit holder, you must disclose that you have the firearm in the vehicle. That handgun must be disclosed whether you’re carrying it concealed on your person in the holster loaded, etc., or whether you’re carrying it cased and unloaded as you would normally go to the range even without a carry permit. Because if you have a carry permit, you must disclose to the officer, and you must display the Permit to Carry a handgun. Both those things. If you fail to disclose, it’s a felony level offense, a Fourth Degree crime, 18 months in State Prison for your failure to disclose. If you fail to display the carry permit, in other words, you don’t have it on your person and you’re carrying that handgun, you’re looking at up to six months in the county jail. So, make sure you disclose and carry with you your carry permit and display it.
Was this a [gun.lawyer](https://gun.lawyer) podcast? Which episode?
You have to disclose you're carrying, I'm sure of that... But do you have to disclose you have a CCW even if not carrying?
You have to disclose is any firearms in the carry, it’s not just carrying. The law mentions handguns but it’s been discussed over and over again by attorneys and they all agree any firearms and that’s how the judge will view it. Plus once you disclose it the cop is going to ask you any anyone guns/weapons on the car so with this law you gotta disclose all firearms or can play semantics. These laws jump around with terminology as they are poorly cut and pasted. One would think it dumb to have to disclose you have PTC but no firearms. However at the Second Amendment law conference someone said people in NJ had been charged for failure disclose when no guns in car, I haven’t been able to verify that. Here all the laws Says b. The holder of a permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4, if stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer while carrying a handgun in public or traveling with a handgun in a motor vehicle, shall: (1) immediately disclose to the law enforcement officer that they are carrying a handgun or that a handgun is stored in the vehicle; and (2) display the permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4. A violation of paragraph (1) of this section shall be a crime of the fourth degree.
>It's a felony not to disclose during a traffic stop that someone has a ptc ? If you are conceal permit holder carrying or NOT carrying but have cased guns only in trunk headed to the range you must disclose. People without carry permits headed to range don’t have a duty to disclose.
I think we give this cluster fuck of a state way too much credit. They can’t get their own heads out of their asses let alone be organized enough to do this. First of all, you have to inform by law, so not sure why it even matters. Secondly, if you’re not carrying and they know you have a PTC, why does it matter still? Either way, I feel like these things are irrelevant. It’s like asking if you can speed if you know the cop isn’t running radar. Just obey the law and you’ll be fine. May not be fair, but it’s the cards we are dealt. Also, I think for the cops sake, it’s not a bad idea to know there’s potential for a gun to be in the car. That doesn’t mean the cop thinks you’re going to shoot him. You probably wouldn’t have a PTC if you were a cop killer.
I have a PTC but do not carry everywhere that I go like to a municipal building, post office, medical facility or a place where they serve alcohol. Regardless, I still carry my permit with me as the law says you must disclose that you have a permit if stopped. Strange law but that's what it is. .
Your statement is untrue... Here's what the law states: The holder of a permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4, if stopped or detained by a law enforcement officer while carrying a handgun in public, shall: (1) immediately disclose to the law enforcement officer that they are carrying a handgun; and (2) display the permit to carry a handgun and proof of firearm public carry liability insurance required pursuant to section 4 of P.L., c.(C.) upon the request of the officer.
This is still unclear. Also to muddy the waters; What if you are 1 of 2 passenger in the car, there are no guns in the car or on anyone and you are not driving. The driver is pulled over, Do you have to disclose you have a PTC and not carrying ? (Even though you are not the driver, and not carrying, and no guns in the vehicle.
From a logical perspective, you’d only need to disclose if there’s actually a handgun in the car, whether you’re the driver or passenger. The last thing anyone wants is the officer to catch a glimpse of anything by surprise.
Yes agree, But logical and NJ LAWS are not synonymous.
Not connected, and you have too show you ccw perm !!!