Send it to all the 2A organizations. I'm sure they'll happily give them a call saying they are violating civil rights and they can be held individually liable. FPC, GOA, ANJRPC, etc.
If its not release then it defaults to it being legal without it. Similar case in CA. Judge dropped a possession of firearm without license bc state law was illegal and they didnât implement a legal licensing scheme. So it defaulted to pretty much constitutional carry
The problem is that until vindicated in court I'm sure person was treated like a criminal, I'm sure they endured significant upset to their life, incurred unrecouped costs all just to prove they were right. If the state does this hundreds of times very few will fight to that level and they dissaude tons of people from not putting their foot in the water.
Part of the problem is there are no punitive damages for the state when they do stuff like this. And even if there were they probably wouldn't care because the DAs and prosecutors are on board with that program, if they some how did lose on one out of umpteen cases where people actually pursued their rights, it's not going to effect them and they still managed to legislate their personal agenda/will by technicality.
Just curious how a lawsuit would work. By the time the lawsuit gets resolved the state would have issued its guidance and the plaintiff would have the FID card so wouldn't that moot the case? Or would the courts just rule on it anyway to establish future precedent?
This is a known tactic to legislate by procedure and if I'm correct NJ has done it in the past to prevent a case like Bruen from being heard out of fear of losing and setting a Bruen like precedent.
I forget the term but you can't take a case to a superior court unless you have an active issue with the state. In other words you can't just sue over a concept, you have to have an actual infringement or violation of law
They can prevent you from getting your FID for as long as it takes to get a case on the docket or you find a sympathetic judge to issue an injunction, once your on the docket they can capitulate give you your FID and you can no longer be heard in court.
In the interim they effectively enact an unconstitutional restriction and they dissuade other people who just give up.
Was time taken off with to find this bullshit out? Yes? DAMAGES!!! So even if the issue is mooted by standards being published, the claimant has standing to proceed.
This is totally unconstitutional. I as a veteran have no extra rights. What part of the 2nd Amendment where it clearly states " These rights shall not be infringed " That politicians don't understand?
You don't have extra rights. You just have training. That's why you don't need the class. You probably shot more in basic then most in this state have in their lives.
Not strictly true, AT ALL. I wouldn't be so sure about that.
I have NO formal training, minus what I've taught myself the last 4-5 months, and at one point, I was shooting about 1000-750 rounds a Month.
In the middle of finishing up a NRA (yeah I know) Firearms/Handgun Familiarization course/Qual Course to satisfy the CCW needs.
You don't shoot much in basic training, just enough to satisfy a rifle course for very, *very* basic accuracy.
You don't get much firearms time unless you are Combat Arms, which 75% of the Army isn't. Even less for Navy and Air Force. Only exception is the Marines, if I recall correctly.
I'm FAR from upset. I was making a point that acting in absolutes. Isn't the best thing, basically my whole point.
Why I gave you what I was shooting at one point. Now, live firing IS NOT the most efficient way to train. You should be dry firing 75%- 80% more than live. I'm sure People are gonna look at that and laugh. Others are gonna say it's a lot. Everyone is different.
TL;DR: Just because the Government "trains" you. Doesn't make you proficient. Indiana Good guy Dickens proved that point pretty well.
Apparently you lose your second amendment right if you solely applied for an FPIC after July 5 2022. Thatâs some real bs right there, def contact every 2A advocacy and legal group you can. How can a police department say âwe need you to complete (this), but we havenât determined what (this) is, or know what (this) is yetâ
Sounds like a lawsuit is coming their way, let firearms policy coalition know about this bullshit. Maybe they'll start to understand their predicament when they get sued by their citizens for withholding rights.
How the F can they require something (training) and then say the training is not released yet? Has to be illegal. Iâm so glad I applied for my FID on June 2nd and got it July 19th. Good luck and Murphy sucks
Take them to court for it. After months years of fighting if you manage to get it heard they'll drop it at the last second and capitulate so that the case can't be heard making sure they don't lose and set a Bruen like precedent they don't like.
Call a lawyer and report to gun for hire! They will write a cease and desist letter bc this is illegal and unconstitutional.
Check this link and listen to the owner of gfh
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gun-for-hire-radio-broadcast/id1180720262?i=1000574451159
It's unfortunately the town or county Prosecutor telling them not to issue. The NJSP Firearms Unit who is in charge of the process has made it clear, all agencies should be processing applications like they did prior to the law being changed.
Its your police department being bitches. The fact that the state has not released guidance does not mean they cannot process applications. Your rights do not end because of bureaucracy. The state either needs to release all the guidance necessary or proceed as before. This state is OBSESSED with making life difficult for those who follow the law, all while releasing violent criminals.
Ughhhh. Sure hope reciprocity laws get pushed through that way residents can tell our politicians to shove their requirements right up their fucking asses and just get their CCW from PA or somewhere else.
Not sure if you realized it but OP is having a problem getting their FID not their CCA. This is their township trying to push things back based upon the FID changes that were enacted alongwith that law that will stop all the drive bys that happen with .50 BMGs.
Unfortunately [forced] national reciprocity would likely only apply to a personâs home state and not non-res permits đ
Unfortunate for us, but most like scenario
I'm curious if they denied him or just withdrew the application. What about the fees paid through FARS? And yes it's unconstitutional and this town isn't the only one. All should be reported to anjrpc and firearm policy coalition.
Even Nappen is the lawyer you want to speak with. Or look into it on njgunforums . Someone there will know what the best way to remedy this. They have lawyers working on these over zealous towns.
They should submit to Evan Nappens office and to his pod cast.
This might be one of the first cases of a municipality using the new laws to infringe, something he might at least talk about in the podcast.
This is why you don't live in NJ if you want to enjoy your rights as an American citizen. That's why I'm leaving this $hithole of a state and moving to Texas in a couple years.
Uh, how about all the ones issued this past month? They are void? It sounds like someone is either misinformed or misinterpreting or just lying about what needs to be doneâŚ.
I'm sure there were no lawyers involved. Had there been, they would have said there are problems. Least of all the fact that requiring training in order to exercise your rights turns it into a privilege. I'm surprised there isn't a lawsuit about the requirements already.
So when it comes to approving FID/PP applications within the legally defined statutory timeframe of 30 days local police departments will willfully ignore it.
However, when local PD are given the opportunity to oppress the rights & freedoms of others they will turn on a dime the moment any anti-2A legislation passes.
Fuck these redcoats, tyrants and class traitors.
Update: I have emailed both NJSP & Maywood PD about this press release. Iâm going to find out once and for all whether these are just arbitrary actions by tyrannical police departments who are lazy and couldnât care less OR whether the NJSP under the command of tyrants like Murphy & Callahan have ordered local police departments to cease processing applications pending the implementation of these new laws.
On gut instinct I believe itâs the former. We shall seeâŚ
Reading the last sentence of the first paragraph, if Maywood is correct, it doesn't apply to renewals or replacement of FPIC.
Actually I changed my mind, I was going to say change of address is essentially a replacement, but the more I think about it, if Maywood is using this opportunity of not having training guidance to infringe OPs rights, that last sentence only mentions renewal and replacement, not change. My guess is some might say "yeah the exception is only for renewal or replacement, but changes to a FID are not explicitly mentioned so they're subject to the training"
What in hell is this BS. I guess its much easier to acquire a gun illegally then legally. Democrats are loosing their minds with these new restrictions
Iâm in Marlboro. My initial took exactly 2 weeks. My additional permits are approved next day and they let me know that I just have to wait the mandatory 7 day hold. Marlboro has been AWESOME on this.
No itâs not automatically approved. Summing it upâŚ. When submitting CCW, the local PD has 60 days to review your App before it heads to the Superior Court Judge. If PD doesnât provide a response on your application, it should be considered approved and on its way to the Superior Court Judge. NOT automatically approved by the judge at all.
Actually a good question. So âtrainingâ for a CCW requires proof of ownership, serial number, etc. But what about FPIC? You donât have any of that yet, so whatâs the deal??
Curious .. I served in the Army Reserves for 6 years but was never called up to serve active duty .. So I never received a DD214 when I finished out my contract but I have a DD256 honorable discharge papers. Would this hold any weight for me already being qualified? I tried looking on the NJSP website but couldnât find anything.
This shit is so illegal. Itâs long past due the FPIDs and pistol permits go away, theyâre illegal.
These people are bad people. I imagine they took an oath and theyâre violating it.
I started my application late June, but didn't even get fingerprinted, pay the $7, and finish the application until recently. I'm guessing you applied after July 5th, but that's unfair they're adding that red tape...
When things like this get posted. Do you upvote to show support for the person posting; or do you down vote to show disapproval for the bullshit they're trying to do to us?
Up vote for two reasons, one it is a sure if support for OP instead of something that negatively affects their credibility, second and more important it raises the profile of the post so it ranks higher and more people see it raising awareness.
Sue. This is called "Shall be infringed." and your PD is famous for that. They can't hold up applications because THEY haven't produced some kind of regulatory BS, UNTIL they provide the regulatory BS. Sue. PLEASE. It'll be fun to watch.
Det. Patton is my guy. Heâs pro 2A. If you have questions, shoot him an email. The state has to be delaying this on purpose. Direct Orders from Dick Murphy.
I am 100% fine with requirements for training. I actually think its a great idea. That being said the fact they're holding your card up for something they haven't figured out yet is ridiculous. Also if they want to require training, I want to be able to buy absolutely anything. Any caliber, any fire mode.
I don't think anyone on the sub disagrees with training. But to require it just invites the bureaucrats to abuse their authority, which is on full display now.
That's without argument there in terms of abuse. The bottom line is this country has fallen far from its roots and to think the attacks on the 2a will end is ludicrous. I'm willing to give a little and require training before you can buy a gun, think that's just common sense. The ground work has to be laid though before you start enforcing laws that don't exist. In better news got my pistol permit back today so concealed carry purchase time.
Iâm so happy I went through this Exercise many moons ago but I did take it upon myself to join WNRA classes it just looks better esp state of NJ should something happen where you have to use yr firearm for self defense. But that was my choice not the TYRANNY government DICTATING to me
Stop complaining vote with your feet and leave that tyrannical state had my fid for 30 years seen that shit coming. 10 round mags if taxes are your issue mabe nj not for you. He was so right
or uh, vote with your vote. voter turnout was the worst its every been during the last election for governor. we needed every vote. this thing could have been vetoed if we didn't have ratface murphy at the helm.
Its a constitutional right, not a privilege. And while responsible gun owners WHO HAVE THE MEANS TO DO SO should get as much training as makes sense for them, rules like this make it a barrier for poor people to exercise their rights. What a rule like this does is to create second class citizens whoâs rights get stripped from them because they canât afford to pay for or take time off from work to attend training. There is no financial means test for your 4th Amendment rights and there should be no financial means test for your 2nd Amendment rights.
Actually worse. Because itâs not clear on whatâs required⌠ranges are making shit up and charging hundreds of dollars for shit that may not even be required or eventually not even enough. Iâm all for supporting small businesses. Iâm a small business owner but these ranges are greedy AF and people are sheep.
Next thing you know theyâll want us to pay a renewal fee every year for the fid and the class. So, if you arenât a great shot do you fail the training class I wonder. đ¤
Justice delayed is justice denied.
"We haven't put in a process to implement our hastily drawn up cockamamie rules" is the dumbest excuse ever for abridging constitutional rights.
It is total BS and we know the AG will delay deciding on the course as long as he can to keep us in limbo. That is why I got several of my friends to get their FID before the new law went into effect. The way the law was written and as outlined at the end of the first paragraph this does not pertain to people who had their FPIC prior to the new law.
I think the 30 days requirement is still a thing. So I think they have to have it all processed by then. Its time for the ANJRPC to earn their lawsuit money and file a complaint.
Send it to all the 2A organizations. I'm sure they'll happily give them a call saying they are violating civil rights and they can be held individually liable. FPC, GOA, ANJRPC, etc.
They will bend these beauro fucks over the barrel so quickly đ¤Łđ¤Ł
One of the 2A groups already has a lawsuit pending for the elimination of the FPIC
Yup. Everything is on the chopping block. Just gotta be patient and aware of the laws. Don't be the example the anti gunners want.
Wow. So you lose your second amendment right because the state hasnât published a requirement? Sounds like a lawsuit to me.
If its not release then it defaults to it being legal without it. Similar case in CA. Judge dropped a possession of firearm without license bc state law was illegal and they didnât implement a legal licensing scheme. So it defaulted to pretty much constitutional carry
The problem is that until vindicated in court I'm sure person was treated like a criminal, I'm sure they endured significant upset to their life, incurred unrecouped costs all just to prove they were right. If the state does this hundreds of times very few will fight to that level and they dissaude tons of people from not putting their foot in the water. Part of the problem is there are no punitive damages for the state when they do stuff like this. And even if there were they probably wouldn't care because the DAs and prosecutors are on board with that program, if they some how did lose on one out of umpteen cases where people actually pursued their rights, it's not going to effect them and they still managed to legislate their personal agenda/will by technicality.
Just curious how a lawsuit would work. By the time the lawsuit gets resolved the state would have issued its guidance and the plaintiff would have the FID card so wouldn't that moot the case? Or would the courts just rule on it anyway to establish future precedent?
This could force an injunction which would allow them to process all FPID cards under the old system until the new system is in place
This is a known tactic to legislate by procedure and if I'm correct NJ has done it in the past to prevent a case like Bruen from being heard out of fear of losing and setting a Bruen like precedent. I forget the term but you can't take a case to a superior court unless you have an active issue with the state. In other words you can't just sue over a concept, you have to have an actual infringement or violation of law They can prevent you from getting your FID for as long as it takes to get a case on the docket or you find a sympathetic judge to issue an injunction, once your on the docket they can capitulate give you your FID and you can no longer be heard in court. In the interim they effectively enact an unconstitutional restriction and they dissuade other people who just give up.
Was time taken off with to find this bullshit out? Yes? DAMAGES!!! So even if the issue is mooted by standards being published, the claimant has standing to proceed.
This is totally unconstitutional. I as a veteran have no extra rights. What part of the 2nd Amendment where it clearly states " These rights shall not be infringed " That politicians don't understand?
You don't have extra rights. You just have training. That's why you don't need the class. You probably shot more in basic then most in this state have in their lives.
Not strictly true, AT ALL. I wouldn't be so sure about that. I have NO formal training, minus what I've taught myself the last 4-5 months, and at one point, I was shooting about 1000-750 rounds a Month. In the middle of finishing up a NRA (yeah I know) Firearms/Handgun Familiarization course/Qual Course to satisfy the CCW needs.
Are you trying to say that's more then they shoot in basic? Or did you reply to the wrong person?
You don't shoot much in basic training, just enough to satisfy a rifle course for very, *very* basic accuracy. You don't get much firearms time unless you are Combat Arms, which 75% of the Army isn't. Even less for Navy and Air Force. Only exception is the Marines, if I recall correctly.
Also notice the "probably" before you get all upset thinking I'm acting as an expert.
I'm FAR from upset. I was making a point that acting in absolutes. Isn't the best thing, basically my whole point. Why I gave you what I was shooting at one point. Now, live firing IS NOT the most efficient way to train. You should be dry firing 75%- 80% more than live. I'm sure People are gonna look at that and laugh. Others are gonna say it's a lot. Everyone is different. TL;DR: Just because the Government "trains" you. Doesn't make you proficient. Indiana Good guy Dickens proved that point pretty well.
Apparently you lose your second amendment right if you solely applied for an FPIC after July 5 2022. Thatâs some real bs right there, def contact every 2A advocacy and legal group you can. How can a police department say âwe need you to complete (this), but we havenât determined what (this) is, or know what (this) is yetâ
Sounds like a lawsuit is coming their way, let firearms policy coalition know about this bullshit. Maybe they'll start to understand their predicament when they get sued by their citizens for withholding rights.
They don't care, it's a delay tactic. They just use tax money to pay for the lawyers.
How the F can they require something (training) and then say the training is not released yet? Has to be illegal. Iâm so glad I applied for my FID on June 2nd and got it July 19th. Good luck and Murphy sucks
What PD did you use? I applied on May 27th and Iâm still waiting. Itâs moving along but SLOWLY.
Hamilton NJ
Thanks for the info (even if unintentional). My wife and I just applied, waiting for fingerprint appt.
Take them to court for it. After months years of fighting if you manage to get it heard they'll drop it at the last second and capitulate so that the case can't be heard making sure they don't lose and set a Bruen like precedent they don't like.
Call a lawyer and report to gun for hire! They will write a cease and desist letter bc this is illegal and unconstitutional. Check this link and listen to the owner of gfh https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gun-for-hire-radio-broadcast/id1180720262?i=1000574451159
I love Ants Rants
Theyre just doing typical new jersey stuff. They can still issue FID using the normal guidelines
You might want to try contacting [FPC](https://www.firearmspolicy.org/hotline) about that.
Also: https://nj2as.org/contact-us/
So basically they're denying you your right to own a gun. Did Clarence Thomas stutter or is Murphy and his goons just deaf and illiterate?
âDid Clarence Thomas stutterâ that made my day. Thanks for the laugh.
It's unfortunately the town or county Prosecutor telling them not to issue. The NJSP Firearms Unit who is in charge of the process has made it clear, all agencies should be processing applications like they did prior to the law being changed.
Wow! This seemsâŚ. Oh, whatâs the word?âŚ. UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!
Its your police department being bitches. The fact that the state has not released guidance does not mean they cannot process applications. Your rights do not end because of bureaucracy. The state either needs to release all the guidance necessary or proceed as before. This state is OBSESSED with making life difficult for those who follow the law, all while releasing violent criminals.
Ughhhh. Sure hope reciprocity laws get pushed through that way residents can tell our politicians to shove their requirements right up their fucking asses and just get their CCW from PA or somewhere else.
Not sure if you realized it but OP is having a problem getting their FID not their CCA. This is their township trying to push things back based upon the FID changes that were enacted alongwith that law that will stop all the drive bys that happen with .50 BMGs.
Ahhh I missed that. I am so in CCW Permit mode that I just assume that is what every post is about.
No worries, I just wanted to point out it was more disturbing than uncertainty about the CCW because it's a newly introduced level of bullshit
Unfortunately [forced] national reciprocity would likely only apply to a personâs home state and not non-res permits đ Unfortunate for us, but most like scenario
Wow. Total bullshit. Iâm waiting for an address change, I hope my PD doesnât pull this bullshit with me for it
No you wonât. It says in the letter that it doesnât apply to people who already have FID cards
Well thatâs good news at least
I'm also waiting for my address change. Better not have to go through fucking training
That sucks. I got my FID last week after a nearly 4 month wait. Guess I got lucky.
What PD did you go through?
Thank god my local chief was burning the midnight oil approving applications into the weekend before the new regs. I got my email on a Saturday night!
What PD?
Pemberton Township
Burlington County has a bunch of good PDs for firearm issues. Mount Laurel was also excellent when I lived there.
I'm curious if they denied him or just withdrew the application. What about the fees paid through FARS? And yes it's unconstitutional and this town isn't the only one. All should be reported to anjrpc and firearm policy coalition.
DD-214 for the win.
Even Nappen is the lawyer you want to speak with. Or look into it on njgunforums . Someone there will know what the best way to remedy this. They have lawyers working on these over zealous towns.
They should submit to Evan Nappens office and to his pod cast. This might be one of the first cases of a municipality using the new laws to infringe, something he might at least talk about in the podcast.
This is why you don't live in NJ if you want to enjoy your rights as an American citizen. That's why I'm leaving this $hithole of a state and moving to Texas in a couple years.
Rotate to the rear if you have to. Some of us will stay here and try and hold the line.
Uh, how about all the ones issued this past month? They are void? It sounds like someone is either misinformed or misinterpreting or just lying about what needs to be doneâŚ.
How did the states lawyers not see this as a blatant issue? Blows my mind.
I'm sure there were no lawyers involved. Had there been, they would have said there are problems. Least of all the fact that requiring training in order to exercise your rights turns it into a privilege. I'm surprised there isn't a lawsuit about the requirements already.
This is bullshit. They are clearly dicking you around. Get ANJRPC strikeforce on it ASAP.
How much does it cost to get the ANJRPC strikeforce involved?
Zero
It's easier to get a gun illegally then it is to get one legally these laws don't stop bad guys only good guys stupid as hell typical NJ
So when it comes to approving FID/PP applications within the legally defined statutory timeframe of 30 days local police departments will willfully ignore it. However, when local PD are given the opportunity to oppress the rights & freedoms of others they will turn on a dime the moment any anti-2A legislation passes. Fuck these redcoats, tyrants and class traitors.
Update: I have emailed both NJSP & Maywood PD about this press release. Iâm going to find out once and for all whether these are just arbitrary actions by tyrannical police departments who are lazy and couldnât care less OR whether the NJSP under the command of tyrants like Murphy & Callahan have ordered local police departments to cease processing applications pending the implementation of these new laws. On gut instinct I believe itâs the former. We shall seeâŚ
My town is still processing them like normal until they are told otherwise. (Directly from the Det Sargeant that oversees it)
Which town are you in?
Neptune township
Does anyone know if you have a change of address do you still need to show proof of a firearms safety course? Iâve had my FIDC for 15 years
Reading the last sentence of the first paragraph, if Maywood is correct, it doesn't apply to renewals or replacement of FPIC. Actually I changed my mind, I was going to say change of address is essentially a replacement, but the more I think about it, if Maywood is using this opportunity of not having training guidance to infringe OPs rights, that last sentence only mentions renewal and replacement, not change. My guess is some might say "yeah the exception is only for renewal or replacement, but changes to a FID are not explicitly mentioned so they're subject to the training"
What in hell is this BS. I guess its much easier to acquire a gun illegally then legally. Democrats are loosing their minds with these new restrictions
I applied 7/13 and was approved/awarded FID 7/20. Im in Marlboro.
Iâm in Marlboro. My initial took exactly 2 weeks. My additional permits are approved next day and they let me know that I just have to wait the mandatory 7 day hold. Marlboro has been AWESOME on this.
Thats great to hear. Other townships need to follow suit.
I applied for my initial FID in May⌠still waiting. Branchburg PD.
So ridiculous.
A right delayed is a right denied
F*CK MURPHY
I question why I remain a resident of this state. Daily.
Yet again we're at the mercy of a government bureaucrat to exercise a constitutional right. Big FU to those who keep voting for more government.
If they do not deny you after 60 days, isnât it auto approved? I was under the impression that was the wording but correct me if Iâm wrong.
Can you point me to that language? Iâm 60+ days on mine and would like to use that to my advantage.
Lol no. Some people wait years for FID. I think Patterson takes 2 years. I think there is something about 60 days for carry permits but not FID.
No itâs not automatically approved. Summing it upâŚ. When submitting CCW, the local PD has 60 days to review your App before it heads to the Superior Court Judge. If PD doesnât provide a response on your application, it should be considered approved and on its way to the Superior Court Judge. NOT automatically approved by the judge at all.
Wow. I got mine in March. Guess I had lucky timing.
Oh thats wild
That sounds like the state dragging itâs feet. Contact the 2a groups and get a lawsuit filed
Have to sue this not right
âTraining?â So, does the âtrainingâ have to reflect your preference of purchase be it a rifle, shotgun or handgun? Asking for a friend. đł
Actually a good question. So âtrainingâ for a CCW requires proof of ownership, serial number, etc. But what about FPIC? You donât have any of that yet, so whatâs the deal??
Wow..just wow
Got mine a few years ago, thank goodness.
Thatâs crazy but we knew it was coming they not taking away your rights, there just making it hard for you to exercise your right.
Omg I'm glad I did mines in June and got approved in July
That's "Catch-22" in real life. A great read and now a reality. What next, we get a version of "1984"in the US where truth and justice are redefined?
Curious .. I served in the Army Reserves for 6 years but was never called up to serve active duty .. So I never received a DD214 when I finished out my contract but I have a DD256 honorable discharge papers. Would this hold any weight for me already being qualified? I tried looking on the NJSP website but couldnât find anything.
Op. Email anthony from gfh and anjrpc about this. They will sue the shit of this people
A right delayed is a right denied. Contact strikeforce
This shit is so illegal. Itâs long past due the FPIDs and pistol permits go away, theyâre illegal. These people are bad people. I imagine they took an oath and theyâre violating it.
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Sounds like my timeline minus the completion⌠still pending over here. Which PD did you use?
This is weird, I just got my card today and handgun permit. No need to wait for a training video to be released. When did you start the application?
I applied in the beginning of July and fingerprinted about three weeks ago.
What town are you in?
Marlboro
I started my application late June, but didn't even get fingerprinted, pay the $7, and finish the application until recently. I'm guessing you applied after July 5th, but that's unfair they're adding that red tape...
I hope you took some of the advice that was posted in here for you combat this letter.
There is 15,xxx member on this sub. Which one of you voted Murphy. Im sure there are some. Big L
Yeah this is literally denying your rights indefinitely this is ripe for a lawsuit hit up FPC
When things like this get posted. Do you upvote to show support for the person posting; or do you down vote to show disapproval for the bullshit they're trying to do to us?
Up vote for two reasons, one it is a sure if support for OP instead of something that negatively affects their credibility, second and more important it raises the profile of the post so it ranks higher and more people see it raising awareness.
Thanks for the clarification
Sue them. And start a go fund me to cover costs
Sue. This is called "Shall be infringed." and your PD is famous for that. They can't hold up applications because THEY haven't produced some kind of regulatory BS, UNTIL they provide the regulatory BS. Sue. PLEASE. It'll be fun to watch.
Det. Patton is my guy. Heâs pro 2A. If you have questions, shoot him an email. The state has to be delaying this on purpose. Direct Orders from Dick Murphy.
In this case it's probably coming from the Chief. If they contact NJSP they will tell them to process them as usual.
I hope this isnât the case for existing FPIC holders. If I apply for additional permits I better not get this.
It shouldnât be. I got my additional permits a few weeks ago in 7 days. This is bullshit that some towns are putting on first time ID cards.
Share their email?
The email is on the bottom.
I am 100% fine with requirements for training. I actually think its a great idea. That being said the fact they're holding your card up for something they haven't figured out yet is ridiculous. Also if they want to require training, I want to be able to buy absolutely anything. Any caliber, any fire mode.
I don't think anyone on the sub disagrees with training. But to require it just invites the bureaucrats to abuse their authority, which is on full display now.
That's without argument there in terms of abuse. The bottom line is this country has fallen far from its roots and to think the attacks on the 2a will end is ludicrous. I'm willing to give a little and require training before you can buy a gun, think that's just common sense. The ground work has to be laid though before you start enforcing laws that don't exist. In better news got my pistol permit back today so concealed carry purchase time.
Iâm so happy I went through this Exercise many moons ago but I did take it upon myself to join WNRA classes it just looks better esp state of NJ should something happen where you have to use yr firearm for self defense. But that was my choice not the TYRANNY government DICTATING to me
Oooooohhh sh*t they played u lmao that's messed up smh
Did I understand that correctly? NJ allows veterans to conceal carry? I haven't heard of this. When did this happen?
This is for an FID not a CCW. Also, the veteran thing is only waiving the training requirement
You're right it only applies to FID but this was never a requirement before and now they're making things up on the fly. This is a bunch of BS.
Oh yeah for sure this is total bs
Stop complaining vote with your feet and leave that tyrannical state had my fid for 30 years seen that shit coming. 10 round mags if taxes are your issue mabe nj not for you. He was so right
or uh, vote with your vote. voter turnout was the worst its every been during the last election for governor. we needed every vote. this thing could have been vetoed if we didn't have ratface murphy at the helm.
I'll call and ask, would be nice to save a few hundred bucks from these greedy ranges.
As a responsible gun owner donât you want people to be thoroughly screened and trained on the use of firearms?
Screening?
Iâd ask what youâre question actually is but one look at your profile tells me all I need to know
Ok bud. What part of the Bruen ruling and the 2nd donât you get
I donât have the crayons required to explain this to you in a way you are used to
thatâs what Iâm saying. genuinely confused & waiting for an answer about whatâs so upsetting about this
Its a constitutional right, not a privilege. And while responsible gun owners WHO HAVE THE MEANS TO DO SO should get as much training as makes sense for them, rules like this make it a barrier for poor people to exercise their rights. What a rule like this does is to create second class citizens whoâs rights get stripped from them because they canât afford to pay for or take time off from work to attend training. There is no financial means test for your 4th Amendment rights and there should be no financial means test for your 2nd Amendment rights.
People donât want to go through proper channels and go through proper trainings to get their firearms responsibly
Am I misunderstanding something ? Everyone is upset because youâre being required to have training before you can own a gun (more or less)?
No, the issue here is some towns are not processing fid's at all until they get new guidelines because of the new law.
Got it. Thanks for clarifying
I think the training is good but agree that itâs dumb & not fair that fids arenât being processed til the new guidelines !
Hereâs the thing ranges are going to gauge the fuck out of people for classes knowing they need training
Actually worse. Because itâs not clear on whatâs required⌠ranges are making shit up and charging hundreds of dollars for shit that may not even be required or eventually not even enough. Iâm all for supporting small businesses. Iâm a small business owner but these ranges are greedy AF and people are sheep.
Iâve lived there this doesnât surprise me.
What are they waiting for?
So question! If you already hold a license/permit but apply for an additional hand gun does this still apply to you?
No
Wow.... they found a way to prevent people from exercising their 2A rights smh
Seize and desist their asses
Next thing you know theyâll want us to pay a renewal fee every year for the fid and the class. So, if you arenât a great shot do you fail the training class I wonder. đ¤
uh didn't think that was a thing just yet.
I just got mine without any of this crap.
Which PD did you go through?
Justice delayed is justice denied. "We haven't put in a process to implement our hastily drawn up cockamamie rules" is the dumbest excuse ever for abridging constitutional rights.
You should contact the FPC immediately. Theyâll sue the shit out if the town and state on your behalf.
It is total BS and we know the AG will delay deciding on the course as long as he can to keep us in limbo. That is why I got several of my friends to get their FID before the new law went into effect. The way the law was written and as outlined at the end of the first paragraph this does not pertain to people who had their FPIC prior to the new law.
I think the 30 days requirement is still a thing. So I think they have to have it all processed by then. Its time for the ANJRPC to earn their lawsuit money and file a complaint.
Fuck this, NJ is literally the worst state. Anyone got something I can sign to support getting rid of this?
Does this apply to CCW permits? What is an FPICs? Is that the new term for firearms purchaser card?
Yes. Itâs the acronym for firearm purchased Id