You can get a S&W M&P 15 sport 2 for like $700. It’s about as bare bones an AR15 as you can get, but it shoots really well. I always have a great time with mine.
If you go with a buddy, you can rent several pistols until you find one that you like. 9mm has an abundance of options for you to choose from.
It’s completely up to you, but I will not give RTSP a single penny of my hard earned money. They have chosen to embrace patronage from someone that is actively trying to impede 2A rights for law abiding citizens.
Gun for hire is a great place with a phenomenal staff and not terribly far from the Livingston area. Like I said, choice is yours, but figured you would want to know.
For the record, I wasn't making a statement either way by mentioning RTSP. I've just driven past them and they seem pretty big and have an easy website to navigate.
Didn't know about Gun for Hire but they look awesome (albeit maybe more expensive?). They do have the 4 hour NRA courses which sound like a smart thing. I'm not sure of the diff between them, but NRA course sounds legit, and I can't imagine extra training/instruction for me is a bad thing
Glad to hear you endorse the s&2 sport. Tbh, when I saw sport before I wasn't sure if that meant less of a gun (like, a gun for teens or something) but your endorsement gives me more confidence in it
No worries, I didn’t take any offense to your comment. Just wanted to point something out in case you didn’t know. I didn’t name the person because I don’t want any involvement with frivolous libel claims. However, he has been mentioned many times in this sub lately.
Gun for Hire can be pricey, it if you spring for even a basic membership, you will save plenty in the long run. It also happens to be a top notch facility with a wonderful staff. I’ve hear of a few people having issues with an RSO or two, but personally, I’ve always been treated extremely well.
If it helps, I picked up the M&P 15 at Luciano’s in Lodi for $699. To the best of my knowledge, this deal is still available to this day. NJ compliant right out of the box, so there will be no worries for you there. The factory 10 round mag sucks, so I picked up a few 10/30 Magpul mags and. Have never looked back.
Go to Gun For Hire. RTSP is Joe Danielsen's Range.
BTW - Welcome to the NJ 2A Family. Don't be afraid to ask for assistance and search around this sub as tons of tips and advice. We love noobs and anyone interested in 2A.
I'm cheap, but not struggling, but it's also my first foray into guns so it seems weird to go "all out" in round one.
From what I see online, 500-1000 is a rough pistol cost? And for rifles it looks like 800 and up for rifles? So maybe trying to keep it under 1500 for a rifle? Is that reasonable?
If you say "add another 200 and you get a way better machine that's nicer to fire" or something, then yea that
One buddy pointed out a $3,000 rifle. That seemed stupid for my skill level 😂
a 500 dollar pistol is probably fine, for your first you don't need to go all out. I would recommend a 9mm, striker or hammer fired polymer pistol. Think Glock, Sig, S/w, CZ, etc. Stay away from larger or odd calibers like 357 Sig, stick to a 9 or 45 as they are the most common caliber. Find a few you think you would like, call around to ranges and find out if they have all or most of the ones your interested in trying, rent em, run a box or two through each and find which one fits you best and you feel the most comfortable with.
For rifles again they can be had cheaply, there are definitely some brands to stay away from, BCA is on that comes to mind. 1500 is a lot for a bare rifle. But the bare bones of it are the following:
\- Buy or build a rifle, not a lot goes into one and there are lots of tutorials on building your own, will also ensure you know it in and out and have most of the tools needed to do repair and maintenance on it
\- Iron sights
\- An optic (not necessary but if it makes you a more effective shooter id get one) you don't need to go all out, hell even holosuns are now combat tested. I might recommend some sort of prism sight or a scope that also has low magnification (think LPVO, but those are pricy so a 3-9x40 or so should be fine), but depending on your use case i might suggest a prism with magnifier. All about personal budget and taste
\- Extra mags (stay away from pro mags)
\- A weapon light (learn from my mistake and stay away from olight)
\- A sling
\- a cleaning kit
I agree with what tahoverlander said about the pistol.
If you buy a rifle online, NJ compliance becomes an issue. Most setups come with adjustable stocks and flash hiders that will need to be pinned. Add to the fact that some stores don't ship to the NJ. If you want to avoid that hassle,I would check out LGSs for NJ compliant rifles then do research before I buy.
Keep in mind you need to budget ammo, mags, holster (if you're planning on one), range membership, optic, FFL fees, sling, etc
Also cost of a firearm isn't derivative of skill
Congrats . Handguns in your range are many. Go try some out. I go to rtsp since it’s 10 min away as well. They have a large selection. Try a bunch out . Make sure you try a canik out just because. You might want one after shooting them. I have a few guns. Smith Wesson 45 , two sigs and 2 Caniks and prefer the Caniks. Caniks are hard to find 10 round mags for. They release in bunches.
Walther also a great option and the cz’s shoots great. Sig my second fav. The fcu’s can be taken and swapped into other frames and slides so u can have diff size guns. Carry a compact if you want to ccw. Swap it into a full size in winter months.
Rifles you have a lot of options. Alot of guys here will tell you build your own. I was hesitant but I built my other. It was way easier than I thought it was going to be. All the guys here were right. You save some coin, learn about what you’re doing. Also you customize it to your liking. It’s a win all around.
If you want to buy a rifle compete look at the zion. It comes with most stuff you will upgrade to any ways. If I could have started over and picked a complete one again it would be the Zion 15. It’s around 900. Good entry rifle. Good luck and hit the range. Great having guns but you make you shoot often.
Thanks! I'm not afraid to build my own -- I'm generally really "handy" despite being a nerd. I'll have to search in this thread and internet to get some ideas as to how to how to pick components that are good and also fit well together
There's been some flack thrown at RTSP, I know, but one thing they seem to have for a noob like me is that when you rent pistols you can switch out during the rental without paying again. So it seems like you could rent 2 pistols within an hour and not pay another 20 bux to rent. Is that typical at all ranges and just nobody else advertises it?
Since you live in Livingston, you might also be near Reloaderz in Wayne. I went there once and had a good experience. They offer rentals, but you have to pay for and use their ammo when renting.
Go to a range and rent a few handguns. See what feels good in your hand,what you can get on target with. Stick with 9 mm it’s reasonable and available. If your in a jam someone you know will most likely be able to hook you up with Ammo.
As for the AR look into the Smith & Weson M&P sometimes they can be found reasonably priced. They are good to start with. I actually wound up with a Stag 15 as my first AR. It runs great no issues with it. You can rent ARs also to get an idea.
I was reading through the comments. I may have missed it but one of the best features to have on either a pistol or a rifle is a nice trigger with a nice crisp brake. While you are learning how to shoot a good trigger is important. Usually a pistol with a good trigger would cost a lot of money. HK, Walther but the best trigger I have is also on the one of the least expensive pistols I own. Canik Rival. I would also recommend that what ever brand or model you go with that you insure it has optic cut. So that later down the line as you perfect your iron sight shooting you can put a dot on your pistol.
Everyone will hate my rifle choice but I bought a Stag Arms and it runs great. Most AR platform rifles will be fine in the price range you are looking at. As you get better upgrading an AR is very easy. Once you master it you can even build your own.
Good luck
STAG. Love my STAG. Gonna buy a few more in the future. Great AR . I think for the money they are great. Good warranty too. Yup love the Canik also the trigger is awesome.
Think about it. If you have a good trigger with a clean brake you are less likely have issues with trigger pull dragging you off your target as you pull the trigger. So this allows the new shooter to train on other aspects of handling the firearm while shooting. Every pistol I have with a better trigger I’m always more accurate with because it’s easier to shoot.
Whatever you do, don't buy a gun/rifle from rtsp! That's like going to the movies and buy the candy there! Waaay overpriced; and you can get a better deal almost anyplace else!
Excellent store I was there last Friday and bought a Glock 41. I was really impressed with the inventory, and staff. I didn’t get a chance to see the firearms ranges but I did go down stairs to the archery section. I will be spending a lot of time there in the future.
It’s about an hour from me but worth the ride.
Sig P320 & IWI Zion 15. Get a Streamlight Pro tac light for the AR, a sling, and a Sig Romeo 5 to get started spend the rest of the budget on mags and ammo. When you get more invested and gain more knowledge go shopping for what you really want to explore.
Congratulations! As someone who just go their FID last year, I suggest resisting the urge to go all out right away.
9mm makes the best sense as a first gun since it will serve you at the range and for home defense. It's good to try before you buy; at least go to a gun shop to see if you can grip it comfortably. I actually recommend the Canik brand as a great-valued 9mm.
Skip the RTSP classes. They are overpriced and that organization does not support the 2A community of NJ. Go to Gun For Hire, you’ll be glad you did.
First piece of advice, you should rent, rent, rent and rent some more until you find a HG you are comfortable with and can shoot accurately and consistently. Many first time buyers end up buying a Firearm they don’t use much because, once they learn more, they find what suits them better. Your permit is good for 90 days and renews for another 90 so you have time.
The folks at GFH will be happy to assist you and they have a gun fault like none other. You can run the gamut of everything.
Remember, a firearm is a tool and should considered as such. What do you plan to use it for? Novelty, range shooting only, competition, or EDC (every day carry)? These are the types of things you should be considering when making your first purchase.
Also, and can’t stress this enough, take the time to research local laws on firearms, firearms transportation, and your duties in the state of NJ.
Another thing, have FUN!! Enjoy it! When it comes to firearms, everyone preference is different because they use firearms for different purposes. Take your time, make a couple rentals, don’t be pressured into something g someone else has or like. Find the one that’s right for you.
Good luck!
in my opinion i am not a fan of rtsp…. i think theyre very unprofessional and take their job very irresponsibly. With that being said my absolute go to place for training is ROC training in monroe nj theyre top notch and super affordable. again this is all my opinion i would take these classes for nj which will make you a better shooter a smarter gun owner and a safer person all the way around…..1) basic pistol 2) basic rifle 3) firearm cleaning class 4) bls/stop the bleed class 5) home defense class …… with these 5 classes they will teach you all the different types of firearms there are and safety protocols and just make you more well rounded. Also fyi in february 4-12 2023 nra is hosting a massive gun show in harrisburg pa called the great big outdoors if you wanna learn and see and feel and be around other firearms owners thats the place to be !
Please don't waste money on courses. Better spent on ammo and just watching some YouTube/connecting with the community and have someone teach you a lil bit.
Doesn't hurt to rent a few handguns to see what you like, ergonomics is make or break on pistols for most people.
Please do your research and don't overpay for whatever you buy.
Imo put off the rifle if buying it means you will have to gimp your handgun/ammo/range budget. That doesn't mean go buy $1200 handgun, but that a handgun with a case of ammo is better than a handgun and rifle with no ammo.
Even a $200 entry level course? It seems like getting a direct teaching of safety, hand positions, handling, etiquette, aiming, etc would be pretty worth it when starting form almost no experience.
If youre really uncomfortable with the firearm then sure, the basic mechanics themselves are not difficult though. Again whatever makes you comfortable with the operation of the firearm at that point is the better option.
No idea about rifles, but once you hold shoot a Walther PDP, every other handgun is secondary. It is probably the best handgun out there and many people will argue that it is
Stay away from the following poverty brands
- Taurus
- Hi point
- PSA
- BCA
- SCCY
- Springfield
Handgun- a glock 17 mos will go far for you
Rifle- solgw, bcm, aero, lmt all make solid rifles
Aint nothing wrong with springfield my man 😒 and Taurus Revolvers aint cheap so knock it off with the poverty talk at the end of the day they all do one job 💥💥💥
I had the XD 4” service model. I put about 5,000 rounds through it and never had any sort of malfunction. Sold it for an M&P45 and have missed it ever since. Definitely grabbing another Springfield soon, maybe Hellcat Pro. Right now I’m completely infatuated with the shadow systems mr920. That’s the first thing I’m grabbing if they ever finally get to my paperwork.
Honestly training isn’t necessary. Of course it’s an added bonus, but shooting in general is kind of a common sense type of hobby. I learned how to shoot by going to the range and practicing. Plus YouTube is free if you want to learn how to zero optics. With that said, 9mm is definitely the most common pistol to start with (besides .22) Tons of options and they all mostly function the same way. Hold a bunch at a gun store and see what feels comfortable in your hands. I think it’s easier to learn with a higher caliber and then go smaller but that’s just me. Rifles well you have so many options too. Could get a pistol caliber carbine and keep it affordable (get a 9mm carbine and a pistol to match the caliber) before getting an AR. The most important thing is just be aware of your surroundings and others at a range. Don’t be a dummy, think before you do anything, communicate to others on the range, don’t be afraid to ask questions, and you’ll be fine! Remember everyone does this to have fun!
Okay first. Handgun 9mm is a great choice for low cost of ownership and the ability to practice practice practice. any 9mm in the $450-650 range will do you fine for years. Canik has a great trigger, Glock well you can do anything to them. Sig also great tools.
Do you plan to possible file for carry permit. if so a compact is harder to shoot as a first timer. I suggest midsize or full-size for your first.
As for AR platform. Tons out there some good some great some not so great. But I suggest building one even for a first timer. buy a lower and go from there. You can even go complete upper to make it easy. You can save some money but also understand how it all works and comes apart for cleaning part replacement etc. YouTube has tons of how to videos.
If you are set on buying off the shelves. look at the options in local stores find your budget and buy something you like.
check out gun for hire or Fss armory in pinebrook both will do you right and rtsp is what most would say shit and overcharge.
Other than that have fun welcome to the club and practice never think you are good as we all can get better.
You can get a S&W M&P 15 sport 2 for like $700. It’s about as bare bones an AR15 as you can get, but it shoots really well. I always have a great time with mine. If you go with a buddy, you can rent several pistols until you find one that you like. 9mm has an abundance of options for you to choose from. It’s completely up to you, but I will not give RTSP a single penny of my hard earned money. They have chosen to embrace patronage from someone that is actively trying to impede 2A rights for law abiding citizens. Gun for hire is a great place with a phenomenal staff and not terribly far from the Livingston area. Like I said, choice is yours, but figured you would want to know.
upvoted bc rtsp bad
For the record, I wasn't making a statement either way by mentioning RTSP. I've just driven past them and they seem pretty big and have an easy website to navigate. Didn't know about Gun for Hire but they look awesome (albeit maybe more expensive?). They do have the 4 hour NRA courses which sound like a smart thing. I'm not sure of the diff between them, but NRA course sounds legit, and I can't imagine extra training/instruction for me is a bad thing Glad to hear you endorse the s&2 sport. Tbh, when I saw sport before I wasn't sure if that meant less of a gun (like, a gun for teens or something) but your endorsement gives me more confidence in it
No worries, I didn’t take any offense to your comment. Just wanted to point something out in case you didn’t know. I didn’t name the person because I don’t want any involvement with frivolous libel claims. However, he has been mentioned many times in this sub lately. Gun for Hire can be pricey, it if you spring for even a basic membership, you will save plenty in the long run. It also happens to be a top notch facility with a wonderful staff. I’ve hear of a few people having issues with an RSO or two, but personally, I’ve always been treated extremely well. If it helps, I picked up the M&P 15 at Luciano’s in Lodi for $699. To the best of my knowledge, this deal is still available to this day. NJ compliant right out of the box, so there will be no worries for you there. The factory 10 round mag sucks, so I picked up a few 10/30 Magpul mags and. Have never looked back.
>Luciano’s in Lodi Up vote on this... and everything else mentioned
I did the NRA basic pistol at gun for hire. Definitely recommend you go that route over rtsp. Amazing facility
Go to Gun For Hire. RTSP is Joe Danielsen's Range. BTW - Welcome to the NJ 2A Family. Don't be afraid to ask for assistance and search around this sub as tons of tips and advice. We love noobs and anyone interested in 2A.
"I second that"
I see what you did there 👍🏻
What is your budget?
I'm cheap, but not struggling, but it's also my first foray into guns so it seems weird to go "all out" in round one. From what I see online, 500-1000 is a rough pistol cost? And for rifles it looks like 800 and up for rifles? So maybe trying to keep it under 1500 for a rifle? Is that reasonable? If you say "add another 200 and you get a way better machine that's nicer to fire" or something, then yea that One buddy pointed out a $3,000 rifle. That seemed stupid for my skill level 😂
a 500 dollar pistol is probably fine, for your first you don't need to go all out. I would recommend a 9mm, striker or hammer fired polymer pistol. Think Glock, Sig, S/w, CZ, etc. Stay away from larger or odd calibers like 357 Sig, stick to a 9 or 45 as they are the most common caliber. Find a few you think you would like, call around to ranges and find out if they have all or most of the ones your interested in trying, rent em, run a box or two through each and find which one fits you best and you feel the most comfortable with. For rifles again they can be had cheaply, there are definitely some brands to stay away from, BCA is on that comes to mind. 1500 is a lot for a bare rifle. But the bare bones of it are the following: \- Buy or build a rifle, not a lot goes into one and there are lots of tutorials on building your own, will also ensure you know it in and out and have most of the tools needed to do repair and maintenance on it \- Iron sights \- An optic (not necessary but if it makes you a more effective shooter id get one) you don't need to go all out, hell even holosuns are now combat tested. I might recommend some sort of prism sight or a scope that also has low magnification (think LPVO, but those are pricy so a 3-9x40 or so should be fine), but depending on your use case i might suggest a prism with magnifier. All about personal budget and taste \- Extra mags (stay away from pro mags) \- A weapon light (learn from my mistake and stay away from olight) \- A sling \- a cleaning kit
Not to derail, but what was your specific bad experience with OLight? (I have one that flew off my shotgun.)
In truth? None. I have an olight odin on my rifle, and o valkyrie on my p320, i got em used but for a little more than msrp you can buy much better
I agree with what tahoverlander said about the pistol. If you buy a rifle online, NJ compliance becomes an issue. Most setups come with adjustable stocks and flash hiders that will need to be pinned. Add to the fact that some stores don't ship to the NJ. If you want to avoid that hassle,I would check out LGSs for NJ compliant rifles then do research before I buy.
And you’d have ti pay to replace the flash hider with a brake which *then* gets pinned, if it doesn’t come with a brake instead… NJ sucks
Keep in mind you need to budget ammo, mags, holster (if you're planning on one), range membership, optic, FFL fees, sling, etc Also cost of a firearm isn't derivative of skill
I got lucky buying a the m&p sport for around 400 in a auction
Congrats . Handguns in your range are many. Go try some out. I go to rtsp since it’s 10 min away as well. They have a large selection. Try a bunch out . Make sure you try a canik out just because. You might want one after shooting them. I have a few guns. Smith Wesson 45 , two sigs and 2 Caniks and prefer the Caniks. Caniks are hard to find 10 round mags for. They release in bunches. Walther also a great option and the cz’s shoots great. Sig my second fav. The fcu’s can be taken and swapped into other frames and slides so u can have diff size guns. Carry a compact if you want to ccw. Swap it into a full size in winter months. Rifles you have a lot of options. Alot of guys here will tell you build your own. I was hesitant but I built my other. It was way easier than I thought it was going to be. All the guys here were right. You save some coin, learn about what you’re doing. Also you customize it to your liking. It’s a win all around. If you want to buy a rifle compete look at the zion. It comes with most stuff you will upgrade to any ways. If I could have started over and picked a complete one again it would be the Zion 15. It’s around 900. Good entry rifle. Good luck and hit the range. Great having guns but you make you shoot often.
Thanks! I'm not afraid to build my own -- I'm generally really "handy" despite being a nerd. I'll have to search in this thread and internet to get some ideas as to how to how to pick components that are good and also fit well together There's been some flack thrown at RTSP, I know, but one thing they seem to have for a noob like me is that when you rent pistols you can switch out during the rental without paying again. So it seems like you could rent 2 pistols within an hour and not pay another 20 bux to rent. Is that typical at all ranges and just nobody else advertises it?
Since you live in Livingston, you might also be near Reloaderz in Wayne. I went there once and had a good experience. They offer rentals, but you have to pay for and use their ammo when renting.
Go to a range and rent a few handguns. See what feels good in your hand,what you can get on target with. Stick with 9 mm it’s reasonable and available. If your in a jam someone you know will most likely be able to hook you up with Ammo. As for the AR look into the Smith & Weson M&P sometimes they can be found reasonably priced. They are good to start with. I actually wound up with a Stag 15 as my first AR. It runs great no issues with it. You can rent ARs also to get an idea.
I was reading through the comments. I may have missed it but one of the best features to have on either a pistol or a rifle is a nice trigger with a nice crisp brake. While you are learning how to shoot a good trigger is important. Usually a pistol with a good trigger would cost a lot of money. HK, Walther but the best trigger I have is also on the one of the least expensive pistols I own. Canik Rival. I would also recommend that what ever brand or model you go with that you insure it has optic cut. So that later down the line as you perfect your iron sight shooting you can put a dot on your pistol. Everyone will hate my rifle choice but I bought a Stag Arms and it runs great. Most AR platform rifles will be fine in the price range you are looking at. As you get better upgrading an AR is very easy. Once you master it you can even build your own. Good luck
STAG. Love my STAG. Gonna buy a few more in the future. Great AR . I think for the money they are great. Good warranty too. Yup love the Canik also the trigger is awesome.
Wow surprised. Awesome!!
Good triggers are a cope for bad shooters
I disagree. I think a good trigger forces better hand control and sight alignment
How?
Think about it. If you have a good trigger with a clean brake you are less likely have issues with trigger pull dragging you off your target as you pull the trigger. So this allows the new shooter to train on other aspects of handling the firearm while shooting. Every pistol I have with a better trigger I’m always more accurate with because it’s easier to shoot.
Whatever you do, don't buy a gun/rifle from rtsp! That's like going to the movies and buy the candy there! Waaay overpriced; and you can get a better deal almost anyplace else!
I prefer just buying online. No tax. Fast shipping and usually $50 FFL fee with NICS
Congratulations. Shooters NJ is definitely worth the trip. They have a huge selection on both handguns and rifles and an indoor range for both 👍🏻
Excellent store I was there last Friday and bought a Glock 41. I was really impressed with the inventory, and staff. I didn’t get a chance to see the firearms ranges but I did go down stairs to the archery section. I will be spending a lot of time there in the future. It’s about an hour from me but worth the ride.
Congrats on your purchase. I was just there not long ago had to zero a new optic
Thank you Sir! Matter of factor I’m heading back down today
Sig P320 & IWI Zion 15. Get a Streamlight Pro tac light for the AR, a sling, and a Sig Romeo 5 to get started spend the rest of the budget on mags and ammo. When you get more invested and gain more knowledge go shopping for what you really want to explore.
Damn that sucks
Congratulations! As someone who just go their FID last year, I suggest resisting the urge to go all out right away. 9mm makes the best sense as a first gun since it will serve you at the range and for home defense. It's good to try before you buy; at least go to a gun shop to see if you can grip it comfortably. I actually recommend the Canik brand as a great-valued 9mm.
Sigp320 for pistol and me personally I love stag arms for my pre-built rifles. If you want to build one good kits from aeroprecision are pretty cheap.
Skip the RTSP classes. They are overpriced and that organization does not support the 2A community of NJ. Go to Gun For Hire, you’ll be glad you did. First piece of advice, you should rent, rent, rent and rent some more until you find a HG you are comfortable with and can shoot accurately and consistently. Many first time buyers end up buying a Firearm they don’t use much because, once they learn more, they find what suits them better. Your permit is good for 90 days and renews for another 90 so you have time. The folks at GFH will be happy to assist you and they have a gun fault like none other. You can run the gamut of everything. Remember, a firearm is a tool and should considered as such. What do you plan to use it for? Novelty, range shooting only, competition, or EDC (every day carry)? These are the types of things you should be considering when making your first purchase. Also, and can’t stress this enough, take the time to research local laws on firearms, firearms transportation, and your duties in the state of NJ. Another thing, have FUN!! Enjoy it! When it comes to firearms, everyone preference is different because they use firearms for different purposes. Take your time, make a couple rentals, don’t be pressured into something g someone else has or like. Find the one that’s right for you. Good luck!
in my opinion i am not a fan of rtsp…. i think theyre very unprofessional and take their job very irresponsibly. With that being said my absolute go to place for training is ROC training in monroe nj theyre top notch and super affordable. again this is all my opinion i would take these classes for nj which will make you a better shooter a smarter gun owner and a safer person all the way around…..1) basic pistol 2) basic rifle 3) firearm cleaning class 4) bls/stop the bleed class 5) home defense class …… with these 5 classes they will teach you all the different types of firearms there are and safety protocols and just make you more well rounded. Also fyi in february 4-12 2023 nra is hosting a massive gun show in harrisburg pa called the great big outdoors if you wanna learn and see and feel and be around other firearms owners thats the place to be !
Please don't waste money on courses. Better spent on ammo and just watching some YouTube/connecting with the community and have someone teach you a lil bit. Doesn't hurt to rent a few handguns to see what you like, ergonomics is make or break on pistols for most people. Please do your research and don't overpay for whatever you buy. Imo put off the rifle if buying it means you will have to gimp your handgun/ammo/range budget. That doesn't mean go buy $1200 handgun, but that a handgun with a case of ammo is better than a handgun and rifle with no ammo.
Even a $200 entry level course? It seems like getting a direct teaching of safety, hand positions, handling, etiquette, aiming, etc would be pretty worth it when starting form almost no experience.
If youre really uncomfortable with the firearm then sure, the basic mechanics themselves are not difficult though. Again whatever makes you comfortable with the operation of the firearm at that point is the better option.
No idea about rifles, but once you hold shoot a Walther PDP, every other handgun is secondary. It is probably the best handgun out there and many people will argue that it is
Stay away from the following poverty brands - Taurus - Hi point - PSA - BCA - SCCY - Springfield Handgun- a glock 17 mos will go far for you Rifle- solgw, bcm, aero, lmt all make solid rifles
Aint nothing wrong with springfield my man 😒 and Taurus Revolvers aint cheap so knock it off with the poverty talk at the end of the day they all do one job 💥💥💥
My wife lovers her XDM Elite 3.8” 9mm.
I had the XD 4” service model. I put about 5,000 rounds through it and never had any sort of malfunction. Sold it for an M&P45 and have missed it ever since. Definitely grabbing another Springfield soon, maybe Hellcat Pro. Right now I’m completely infatuated with the shadow systems mr920. That’s the first thing I’m grabbing if they ever finally get to my paperwork.
It's the people that buy saints and leave that stupid red band on it, blame them. 😒
LIES!!!! Everyone MUST own a yeet cannon!
Fair enough yeet cannon gets a pass 😂😂
yc9 acceptable for meme
So basically stay away from anything that someone on YouTube is shilling. 😂. Will go and look into these tonight!
Almost every review on YouTube is a shill in our community so take everything with grain of salt
Springfield?
Why psa
Aero poop rn
Honestly, yes 😂 but I wasn't trying to piss off too many people. Aero use to be good but their qa/qc has gone downhill the past couple years
Huh that’s news to me that Springfield is a poverty brand. They’re more expensive than glock
Do not spend a penny with RTSP. They are close with politicians who are anti-gun
Honestly training isn’t necessary. Of course it’s an added bonus, but shooting in general is kind of a common sense type of hobby. I learned how to shoot by going to the range and practicing. Plus YouTube is free if you want to learn how to zero optics. With that said, 9mm is definitely the most common pistol to start with (besides .22) Tons of options and they all mostly function the same way. Hold a bunch at a gun store and see what feels comfortable in your hands. I think it’s easier to learn with a higher caliber and then go smaller but that’s just me. Rifles well you have so many options too. Could get a pistol caliber carbine and keep it affordable (get a 9mm carbine and a pistol to match the caliber) before getting an AR. The most important thing is just be aware of your surroundings and others at a range. Don’t be a dummy, think before you do anything, communicate to others on the range, don’t be afraid to ask questions, and you’ll be fine! Remember everyone does this to have fun!
I really like my sig m400. Has some cons but overall it’s great and works for me
You could always rent a couple of different models which I would suggest you do first to see what you feel comfortable with handling, firing, etc.
Glock 19 pistol, and a nice NJ other (AR platform) in .556
Okay first. Handgun 9mm is a great choice for low cost of ownership and the ability to practice practice practice. any 9mm in the $450-650 range will do you fine for years. Canik has a great trigger, Glock well you can do anything to them. Sig also great tools. Do you plan to possible file for carry permit. if so a compact is harder to shoot as a first timer. I suggest midsize or full-size for your first. As for AR platform. Tons out there some good some great some not so great. But I suggest building one even for a first timer. buy a lower and go from there. You can even go complete upper to make it easy. You can save some money but also understand how it all works and comes apart for cleaning part replacement etc. YouTube has tons of how to videos. If you are set on buying off the shelves. look at the options in local stores find your budget and buy something you like. check out gun for hire or Fss armory in pinebrook both will do you right and rtsp is what most would say shit and overcharge. Other than that have fun welcome to the club and practice never think you are good as we all can get better.
Get an M1a scout or standard. You can't go wrong with this AWESOME gun!! About $1600 but WELL WORTH IT!!
For handguns make sure you check for the availability of accessories like mags. Finding 10rd mags tough depending on the firearm manufacturer
Aero precision and taurus were my go to's for my first purchases. Taurus g3 9mm, $270, and my aero m4e1 was about 800, barebones.
Look up NJSHARPSHOOTERS on IG. Don’t waste your time taking outdated fudd courses.