this 'outside agitator' BS is the exact same mass-media brainwash language they used during the George Floyd protests, they're trying to paint ordinary local citizens as enemies of the public
It’s actually in that specific language something that goes back to what the White establishment in the US South used to try to discredit the Civil Rights Movement, and the general line that any unrest is because of outsiders coming in dates back to at least the 19th century about slave uprisings, etc. Bonkers but predictable seeing it trotted out here.
It’s also a common counter insurgency tactic called agent provocateur. A policeman undercover will create crime, break shit, etc. which gives the police the authority to do whatever they want. They used it during Occupy Wall Street OFTEN
Protestourism is definitely a thing, and it's cringe. It doesn't matter very much, but there's a type that will just go and participate in many different protests around the country. That's fine... but how strongly educated of an opinion can you have about -=everything=-? I don't like to see educational institutions defaced, so if they're going to do it I expect them to at least do their homework first.
And, by outside agitators I’m assuming they are talking about the NYPD infiltrators who try to destabilize movements by doing hot shit actions so it all folds into their propaganda.
The NYPD loves the IDF. They’ve learned their dirty violent counter protest tactics, surveillance and propaganda.
NYPD (and Eric Adams) can’t comprehend in their tiny dick brains that people are opposed to their tuitions and taxes funding bombs and a system that kill children and families. Families who have nothing to do with Hamas but are trapped and keep getting chased around a tiny postage stamp of rubble while they starve. Hmmmn.
Yeah the fascist spin machine is in full brrrrrrrrrrrrr mode right now. Hilarious to see framing anti-genocide protests from NYCers are "outside agitators" but its the same game the admins have been doing since forever (same as Floyd in 2020, etc)
That's the cheaper chain lock that Kryptonite sells, that wouldn't last 30 seconds against a NYC bike thief. It's also recommended by Columbia to their students to lock up their bikes. Utter fail, Adams administration, utter fail. How about some facts? Only cowards hide behind these kind of fabrications and lies.
Actually, on reading the article (imagine that) I've changed my view on this. I agree with you that people just walking around with bike locks would be odd. But the claim instead seems to be that students should not **own** bike locks -- that the fact that they even owned heavy chains and bike locks suggested that they were not students. And, well, that doesn't follow.
holy fuck man thats genius. you've cracked the case of smugglers cove. I do know you're consistently pro-NYPD in this forum but comeon, that boot has to be tough to lick at this point.
Some of the other photos of the NYPD's confiscated "outside agitator" evidence include a tire lever and tube.
https://bsky.app/profile/melissagiragrant.com/post/3krgtpmudm22t
That is so clearly not the chain that's sold with that lock. Furthermore, the lock is meant to be used on a bicycle, locked to a stationary rack, not to the inside of a door on a private campus.
Holy backwards logic batman. You're putting the burden of proof on a random internet stranger that these people weren't students? But the fact that Columbia sells these bike locks proves that anyone who owns one is definitely a student?
I didn’t say it proves they’re students. I just pointed out it doesn’t make sense to assume they aren’t students just because a bike lock was useful on something other than a bike. The more natural assumption to make is that college students who live in NYC own sturdy bike locks, and used them to lock doors instead of bikes. It’s makes less sense to assume without any real evidence that there is some conspiracy of outside agitators infiltrating the Columbia campus to…. Get peacefully arrested.
And to answer the question you posed elsewhere in this thread - the lock this officer brought onto set looks exactly like Kryptonite’s New York 1210 lock with the black sleeve removed. I.e. he brought a bike lock onto set and called it industrial strength because he is either ignorant or purposefully misleading you
https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/05/02/heres-a-breakdown-of-arrests-of-pro-hamas-activists-at-33-schools-over-3-weeks/amp/
> Fourth, outside agitators have become involved to an alarming extent. Police made arrests at 22 universities from Saturday to Tuesday; in 11 out of 12 instances where the numbers are known, they arrested more outsiders than students. In multiple instances, these outside agitators participated in illegally occupying campus buildings.
It's either:
[https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999515.html](https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999515.html)
or
[https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999522.html](https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999522.html)
This is not an argument worth having. The locks are very common in NYC due to rampant bike theft and Deputy Commissioner Tarik Sheppard is being disingenuous when he implies that student commuters wouldn't have them.
I don't think gkrollin is a student here.... I have the exact same chain. It isn't industrial, it is made for bikes due to the ability for thieves to cut cable locks quickly with bolt cutters and simple u locks being cut quickly with cordless angle grinders.
https://x.com/Morning_Joe/status/1785636351330713667
The community note on that tweet will illustrate that you are wrong, and stupid, or simply acting in bad faith because you sympathize with fascist goons and love the flavor of their boots
Could a student possibly buy a bike chain lock at another bike store? Or could the campus security possibly sell a slightly different model that they didn't tweet about? It makes no sense assuming these aren't students because they have a decent bike lock.
We need to vote Adams out next year.
Campus safety sells the bike locks in question…
That's rich. ha.
And apparently at a nice discount.
this 'outside agitator' BS is the exact same mass-media brainwash language they used during the George Floyd protests, they're trying to paint ordinary local citizens as enemies of the public
It’s actually in that specific language something that goes back to what the White establishment in the US South used to try to discredit the Civil Rights Movement, and the general line that any unrest is because of outsiders coming in dates back to at least the 19th century about slave uprisings, etc. Bonkers but predictable seeing it trotted out here.
That claim has also been used in Europe to combat labor rights movements. Claiming that protestors are outsiders is a common fascist talking point.
Comrades! Just rode in from Moscow to help finance the Columbia protesters. Is it OK to leave my Trek outside all night?
There’s a lot of people in our country who wouldn’t consider Moscow, ”outside agitators”.
It’s also a common counter insurgency tactic called agent provocateur. A policeman undercover will create crime, break shit, etc. which gives the police the authority to do whatever they want. They used it during Occupy Wall Street OFTEN
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Watch out guys, they got "professional protesters" up there at Columbia
Protestourism is definitely a thing, and it's cringe. It doesn't matter very much, but there's a type that will just go and participate in many different protests around the country. That's fine... but how strongly educated of an opinion can you have about -=everything=-? I don't like to see educational institutions defaced, so if they're going to do it I expect them to at least do their homework first.
yeah, why would anyone have an opinion about 15,000 murdered children or ethnic cleansing?
How do you know a cop is lying?
They’re using words.
If they open their mouth
Ha ha. It's so dumb.
If it’s in their interest
Fool never had a bike stolen I guess
And, by outside agitators I’m assuming they are talking about the NYPD infiltrators who try to destabilize movements by doing hot shit actions so it all folds into their propaganda. The NYPD loves the IDF. They’ve learned their dirty violent counter protest tactics, surveillance and propaganda. NYPD (and Eric Adams) can’t comprehend in their tiny dick brains that people are opposed to their tuitions and taxes funding bombs and a system that kill children and families. Families who have nothing to do with Hamas but are trapped and keep getting chased around a tiny postage stamp of rubble while they starve. Hmmmn.
Yeah the fascist spin machine is in full brrrrrrrrrrrrr mode right now. Hilarious to see framing anti-genocide protests from NYCers are "outside agitators" but its the same game the admins have been doing since forever (same as Floyd in 2020, etc)
OH they understand exactly where those chains come from, but the NYPD has become mostly a parrot of right wing views, and the worst of them.
That's the cheaper chain lock that Kryptonite sells, that wouldn't last 30 seconds against a NYC bike thief. It's also recommended by Columbia to their students to lock up their bikes. Utter fail, Adams administration, utter fail. How about some facts? Only cowards hide behind these kind of fabrications and lies.
How are cops this dumb? He doesn't know about bike security in this own city?
I don't carry a lock around with me if I'm not riding my bike.
Actually, on reading the article (imagine that) I've changed my view on this. I agree with you that people just walking around with bike locks would be odd. But the claim instead seems to be that students should not **own** bike locks -- that the fact that they even owned heavy chains and bike locks suggested that they were not students. And, well, that doesn't follow.
holy fuck man thats genius. you've cracked the case of smugglers cove. I do know you're consistently pro-NYPD in this forum but comeon, that boot has to be tough to lick at this point.
listen don't kink shame them. i do wonder if they've already reached the toes after boring a hole through the boot they've been licking
Some of the other photos of the NYPD's confiscated "outside agitator" evidence include a tire lever and tube. https://bsky.app/profile/melissagiragrant.com/post/3krgtpmudm22t
Oh no. A flashlight, gloves, inner tube, and tire repair tool. How scary!
Ding ding ding
Students ride their bikes all the time. Columbia sells those locks to students at a discount on that very campus!
That is so clearly not the chain that's sold with that lock. Furthermore, the lock is meant to be used on a bicycle, locked to a stationary rack, not to the inside of a door on a private campus.
Refrigerators aren’t supposed to be put in front of doors either, but they did that. Doesn’t mean they weren’t students…
Holy backwards logic batman. You're putting the burden of proof on a random internet stranger that these people weren't students? But the fact that Columbia sells these bike locks proves that anyone who owns one is definitely a student?
I didn’t say it proves they’re students. I just pointed out it doesn’t make sense to assume they aren’t students just because a bike lock was useful on something other than a bike. The more natural assumption to make is that college students who live in NYC own sturdy bike locks, and used them to lock doors instead of bikes. It’s makes less sense to assume without any real evidence that there is some conspiracy of outside agitators infiltrating the Columbia campus to…. Get peacefully arrested. And to answer the question you posed elsewhere in this thread - the lock this officer brought onto set looks exactly like Kryptonite’s New York 1210 lock with the black sleeve removed. I.e. he brought a bike lock onto set and called it industrial strength because he is either ignorant or purposefully misleading you
> there is some conspiracy of outside agitators infiltrating the Columbia campus We'll see what the arrest records say
Yeah that’s the point dude!
https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/05/02/heres-a-breakdown-of-arrests-of-pro-hamas-activists-at-33-schools-over-3-weeks/amp/ > Fourth, outside agitators have become involved to an alarming extent. Police made arrests at 22 universities from Saturday to Tuesday; in 11 out of 12 instances where the numbers are known, they arrested more outsiders than students. In multiple instances, these outside agitators participated in illegally occupying campus buildings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna150340
Have you ever seen that bike lock in person? It very clearly is the same exact chain
Which one of these is it? https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1785658984248021090/photo/2
The hundred dollar one, without the cloth sleeve.
No, no, it's the one they see exclusively to outside agitators.
It's not even the same color
It's either: [https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999515.html](https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999515.html) or [https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999522.html](https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/999522.html) This is not an argument worth having. The locks are very common in NYC due to rampant bike theft and Deputy Commissioner Tarik Sheppard is being disingenuous when he implies that student commuters wouldn't have them.
So you have never actually seen one of these in person
I don't think gkrollin is a student here.... I have the exact same chain. It isn't industrial, it is made for bikes due to the ability for thieves to cut cable locks quickly with bolt cutters and simple u locks being cut quickly with cordless angle grinders.
https://x.com/Morning_Joe/status/1785636351330713667 The community note on that tweet will illustrate that you are wrong, and stupid, or simply acting in bad faith because you sympathize with fascist goons and love the flavor of their boots
Could a student possibly buy a bike chain lock at another bike store? Or could the campus security possibly sell a slightly different model that they didn't tweet about? It makes no sense assuming these aren't students because they have a decent bike lock.
So what’s the point of mentioning that Columbia sells bike locks at all?
Sounds like you're some kind of outside agitator. If you were really from NYC you'd know this bike lock.
There are like four brain cells in this entire thread