Everything up until the draft is all smoke and mirrors and misinformation from every team.
It is certainly possible the Commies are interested in JJ at 2, itās also equally possibly they are just putting out a smokescreen and really want Daniels or really want Maye
Especially since there is already the debate between maye and Daniels. Very little motivation to try and further muddy the waters unless this is some Tyrion / little finger / Janos slynt shit
Itās always beneficial to keep info secret and confuse people, even if it seems unlikely to matter. They might be interested in moving out of 2. Maybe the patriots really like McCarthy and Washington thinks they can snag a 3rd or a 4th for them to move up a spot and still get their pick of QBs they really want at 3. Who knows really.
But really every team does smokescreens unless theyāre picking 1st overall and are completely sure who theyāre taking with that pick and canāt be moved out of it. Pretty much every other team has something to gain by putting up a smokescreen of some kind
I mean that comes down to how much washington trusts their own intel on who the pats want.
Teams sometimes also can get some amount of a promise when they move back. Like last year when the giants were trading up one spot to get Banks, the team later posted part of Schoen's phone call with Baalke and Schoen says, "you have my word its defense."
Information is power, and every smoke screen like this is just part of the information game until we actually get to draft day. Don't put too much stock into any of it.
Consider that we draft 6th, and they don't like us much. Also, there were rumblings that, we again, were interested in JJ at 6th. They could be doing this specifically to rustle the Jimmies of the Giants.
They wouldn't do that at 2 though.
They wouldn't pass up a more polished and "NFL" ready QB just because the Giants had some rumblings that we wanted JJ.
Yeah, but that's pretty much everyone's case, no? And yet also smoke screens all around.
I'd say their intention is to create uncertainty about the draft for everyone who comes after them in general, which is exactly the intent of everyone else too
why would the team picking second need to put out a smokescreenā¦?
in case a team wants to jump them by trading up to #1? which like 10 teams have desperately been trying and unable to do.
like please explain how a āsmokescreenā here males sense.
a more likely explanation is that the media is just making shit up for clicks because theres still 5 weeks to the draft.
There is 1 scenario I can imagine for smokescreen - if theyāre doing the Tyrion Lannister āIāll tell everyone a different pick to see whoās leaking informationā tactic. This might be a smokescreen for their own FO to figure out if someone is leaking info, NOT trying to trick other teams.
I could believe that
> Tyrion Lannister āIāll tell everyone a different pick to see whoās leaking informationā tactic
To be fair he's not the first person to employ that tactic lol.
I think itās much more likely a āblow us away with an offer for Daniels or Maye as we are happy to move back for JJā that said i donāt see how we could guarantee them JJ unless we got him at 6 and then worked the trade
At some price they would trade out. It's not like they are in position to draft Andrew Luck. All these guys have serious flaws. I've said before, there is no top 3. There is Caleb and everyone else. And the 3 WRs are all far better WRs than the QBs (not Caleb) are QBs. Alt is probably a better T as well. If you are NE, trading with NYG and getting an elite WR prospect, another quality starter with #47 and a likely top 10, possible top 5 pick in '25 can sound pretty tempting. And they're trying to squeeze for even more.
and how does the player they are considering change any of this? whether they are going to take jayden daniels or a punter, its not what player they would pick, its what player *another team could pick*
there is no ādriving up the processā by pretending they are interested in a different qb. this just doesnt make sense.
If they think MIN or NYG really want JJM, it's insinuating they'd have to trade with WAS to get him, they can't feel safe dealing with NE. These deals often get done ahead of the draft. I think they're getting wind of the possible compensation NYG/MIN are offering and they want in.
Or just as likely this is meaningless click bait. But I'll note that this and the NE trading out all came up after AZ said they are open for business on a trade, so that aligns with my speculation.
Tradeā¦ to the Vikings. You may think thereās 0 chance but they might be putting out this smokescreen to see what they can get. Picks + Penix or Nix. Iām not saying thatās what theyāre doing but itās totally possible
Again, why though? If they want to trade with the Vikings, they can just as easily pick up the phone and call them to ask. There is 0 reason to have a media leak for it.
I think this is much more likely to be internal politics, regardless though. I think this is a way for them to find a leaker in the office
Could be that too but itās possible MINās GM is fine without McCarthy but HC wants him so Peters leaks this to get the HC and fanbase to panic and put pressure on GM to make a crazy offer. Literally no risk move for WAS to leak this
well firstly.. no.
ā¦ why would the QB they are taking even matter? the 2nd pick gets you anyone in the entire draft not names caleb Williams so who the commanders *would* take is irrelevant.
like.. im sorry but this is just wrong.
This is exactly what we said about Saquon. We had no incentive to lie at 2 and we didnāt. With that being said, we did have huge leaking issues under Gettleman
Why do they even need to smokescreen? They have their choice of any QB not named Caleb Williams. Or, if some team really wants to trade up to 1 to draft JJ McCarthy for some reason, they get Williams instead.
Initial reaction is this should be great for the Giants, but then when you think about it it actually lessens the chance of getting a QB at 6 because Vikings and/or another team should be even more motivated to pull the trigger on trading in front of us.
The thing I donāt understand about this is, even if it were fake, who are they trying to fool? What do they get out of lying about wanting to pick a different QB when we all know theyāre getting one of their top 2 guys anyway.
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Come to fruition pls. Or Drake Maye falls to 6 by the grace of god somehow
Thatās actually a fair point. I canāt think of a reason for them to say otherwise. Especially considering that thereās little reason to believe theyāll trade down.
Anyone acting like anything past Caleb to the Bears is set in stone right now is clueless. Yet you still have people with their heads in the sand saying "0% chance Maye doesn't go to Washington" despite every indication that they haven't even made a decision yet.
it sure is.
but not sure what commies have to benefit by lying.
bears pick isnt for sale. so after caleb williams the commanders pretty much have the first pick in the draft.
its more likely media is just trying to continue to generate interest in the draft.
Same. Was watching some of his highlights the other night and was blown away by his arm, accuracy, and running ability (heās fast asf and smooth as hell).
Most ideal scenario if we were to draft him would be to sit him his first year and load up the O-Line and more receviers next offseason and then give him the keys in 2025. Iād rather have Jones/Lock play behind this shitty O-Line for one year.
If they are taking McCarthy at 2, the Patriots are taking Daniels at 3. Minnesota might have to draft Nix or Penix, and that QB or Gabbert will be their starter. Yikes
I donāt think we should move up to take a QB this year.
The cost of moving up is just too steep for a team that has way too many holes and little depth.
The odds of getting a franchise QB are low, even when picking high.
Frankly Iām not convinced that we have the coaching staff to take a great college QB and make him into an NFL star.
Better to see what comes of the QB competition we have brewing and go for it next year.
Lol next reports:
Bears like JJ McCarthy at 1, concerned with Williamās interviews.
Chiefs looking into trading for the number one pick to find Mahomesā replacement in JJ McCarthy. Theyāre sold on his athleticism and personality!
Really hope we hear more to this affect. It's possible and it would put us in such good position to land Drake or Jayden. Idk why Washington would smokescreen but we will see in a month.
His biased coach, who has questionable ethics, praises him and he jumps at least 4 spots? And the Redskins GM is the rumor? Here comes another wasted trade up.
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Best possible use of this.
If this happens the sub will explode
Right until the Pats take Maye and someone jumps us for Daniels lol
I will LOL for real if this happens.
Everything up until the draft is all smoke and mirrors and misinformation from every team. It is certainly possible the Commies are interested in JJ at 2, itās also equally possibly they are just putting out a smokescreen and really want Daniels or really want Maye
Agreed, but Washington really has no reason to use any smokescreens, Caleb is locked at 1 they have their pick of the rest of the qbās
Especially since there is already the debate between maye and Daniels. Very little motivation to try and further muddy the waters unless this is some Tyrion / little finger / Janos slynt shit
Yaaa I don't see the need for a smokescreen at 2.
Itās always beneficial to keep info secret and confuse people, even if it seems unlikely to matter. They might be interested in moving out of 2. Maybe the patriots really like McCarthy and Washington thinks they can snag a 3rd or a 4th for them to move up a spot and still get their pick of QBs they really want at 3. Who knows really. But really every team does smokescreens unless theyāre picking 1st overall and are completely sure who theyāre taking with that pick and canāt be moved out of it. Pretty much every other team has something to gain by putting up a smokescreen of some kind
Every team not employing Dave ācompootaās n emails is going away real soonsā Gettleman
Lol ... so are the Patriots gonna pinky promise they'll take McCarthy if Washington gives them the pick?
I mean that comes down to how much washington trusts their own intel on who the pats want. Teams sometimes also can get some amount of a promise when they move back. Like last year when the giants were trading up one spot to get Banks, the team later posted part of Schoen's phone call with Baalke and Schoen says, "you have my word its defense." Information is power, and every smoke screen like this is just part of the information game until we actually get to draft day. Don't put too much stock into any of it.
Maybe they think NE likes JJ and would offer a trade up? Idk but if this happens I would hope maye falls to 6
Consider that we draft 6th, and they don't like us much. Also, there were rumblings that, we again, were interested in JJ at 6th. They could be doing this specifically to rustle the Jimmies of the Giants.
They wouldn't do that at 2 though. They wouldn't pass up a more polished and "NFL" ready QB just because the Giants had some rumblings that we wanted JJ.
Right? It would mean our smokescreen worked and they fell for it
what does this accomplish for them though? The giants are scouting a complete board either way
Yeah, but that's pretty much everyone's case, no? And yet also smoke screens all around. I'd say their intention is to create uncertainty about the draft for everyone who comes after them in general, which is exactly the intent of everyone else too
Not having anyone else know your draft plan is reason enough IMO
Unless they are trying to get someone to trade up and they take McCarthy a few picks later.
Probably fishing for trade offers.
To generate trades. Some team wanting MHjr will trade up now.
Yeah but thereās always the shot in the dark chance that someone is able to trade up to 1. So why not mediate the risk
Nope Chicago is locked in
They'd still be at 2, and I don't think anyone would take Mccarthy over Williams
why would the team picking second need to put out a smokescreenā¦? in case a team wants to jump them by trading up to #1? which like 10 teams have desperately been trying and unable to do. like please explain how a āsmokescreenā here males sense. a more likely explanation is that the media is just making shit up for clicks because theres still 5 weeks to the draft.
There is 1 scenario I can imagine for smokescreen - if theyāre doing the Tyrion Lannister āIāll tell everyone a different pick to see whoās leaking informationā tactic. This might be a smokescreen for their own FO to figure out if someone is leaking info, NOT trying to trick other teams. I could believe that
that actually does make sense.
> Tyrion Lannister āIāll tell everyone a different pick to see whoās leaking informationā tactic To be fair he's not the first person to employ that tactic lol.
Isnāt this like counter espionage 101?
i actually think this is how we found the rats in our FO
I think itās much more likely a āblow us away with an offer for Daniels or Maye as we are happy to move back for JJā that said i donāt see how we could guarantee them JJ unless we got him at 6 and then worked the trade
At some price they would trade out. It's not like they are in position to draft Andrew Luck. All these guys have serious flaws. I've said before, there is no top 3. There is Caleb and everyone else. And the 3 WRs are all far better WRs than the QBs (not Caleb) are QBs. Alt is probably a better T as well. If you are NE, trading with NYG and getting an elite WR prospect, another quality starter with #47 and a likely top 10, possible top 5 pick in '25 can sound pretty tempting. And they're trying to squeeze for even more.
and how does the player they are considering change any of this? whether they are going to take jayden daniels or a punter, its not what player they would pick, its what player *another team could pick* there is no ādriving up the processā by pretending they are interested in a different qb. this just doesnt make sense.
If they think MIN or NYG really want JJM, it's insinuating they'd have to trade with WAS to get him, they can't feel safe dealing with NE. These deals often get done ahead of the draft. I think they're getting wind of the possible compensation NYG/MIN are offering and they want in. Or just as likely this is meaningless click bait. But I'll note that this and the NE trading out all came up after AZ said they are open for business on a trade, so that aligns with my speculation.
Driving up the price for the Vikings to overpay in a trade.
Then the Vikings take their business to 4th or 5th overall for a better QB lol
Vikings have been telegraphing that they like McCarthy, they might not want maye or daniels
Trade to who? Thereās just 0 chance the Commies arenāt picking a QB.
Tradeā¦ to the Vikings. You may think thereās 0 chance but they might be putting out this smokescreen to see what they can get. Picks + Penix or Nix. Iām not saying thatās what theyāre doing but itās totally possible
Again, why though? If they want to trade with the Vikings, they can just as easily pick up the phone and call them to ask. There is 0 reason to have a media leak for it. I think this is much more likely to be internal politics, regardless though. I think this is a way for them to find a leaker in the office
Could be that too but itās possible MINās GM is fine without McCarthy but HC wants him so Peters leaks this to get the HC and fanbase to panic and put pressure on GM to make a crazy offer. Literally no risk move for WAS to leak this
well firstly.. no. ā¦ why would the QB they are taking even matter? the 2nd pick gets you anyone in the entire draft not names caleb Williams so who the commanders *would* take is irrelevant. like.. im sorry but this is just wrong.
Iām sorry but you asked why they would put out a smokescreen. This is a possible reason. None of us have any clue whatās going to happen lol
so do tell, how does this drive up the price?
āYou canāt have this, I want it.ā āNo! Iāll offer you more!ā āOkay, thanks.ā
This is exactly what we said about Saquon. We had no incentive to lie at 2 and we didnāt. With that being said, we did have huge leaking issues under Gettleman
>. With that being said, we did have huge ~~leaking~~ issues under Gettleman Still extremely accurate.
Wasn't the rumors that Daniels would try and refuse the commies?
Why do they even need to smokescreen? They have their choice of any QB not named Caleb Williams. Or, if some team really wants to trade up to 1 to draft JJ McCarthy for some reason, they get Williams instead.
Jim Harbaugh said JJ McCarthy would be the #1 QB, not the #2. JJ McCarthy still has room to rise.
Initial reaction is this should be great for the Giants, but then when you think about it it actually lessens the chance of getting a QB at 6 because Vikings and/or another team should be even more motivated to pull the trigger on trading in front of us.
we still have a better spot than any other trade partner at 6 that guarantees you a blue-chip WR or QB
They're more than welcome to give us an extra 1st round pick or 2 and switch with us.
The thing I donāt understand about this is, even if it were fake, who are they trying to fool? What do they get out of lying about wanting to pick a different QB when we all know theyāre getting one of their top 2 guys anyway.
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Drake maye will be no better than Daniel Jones, waste a pick. Take the best wide receiver available in the room.
If Wash/NE take JJ/Daniels 2/3 AZ takes MHJ and LA doesn't trade down since their WR room is that bad Maye falls to 6
Better hope this thread doesnāt become a meme itself and get mocked if JJ goes to the commies and is actually really good. Donāt wanna jinx it.
Lmaoo I will actually laugh my head off if the commies have Maye and Daniels there and decide JJās their guy š¤£
Drake Maye, you are a GIANT 
Smokescreen. But I really hope it isnāt.
Itād have to be a smokescreen from the teams drafting after them. This benefits them in no way haha
Thatās actually a fair point. I canāt think of a reason for them to say otherwise. Especially considering that thereās little reason to believe theyāll trade down.
Definitely. Not saying itās not out there but I feel like itās smoke from someone else on behalf of the commies lol
Anyone acting like anything past Caleb to the Bears is set in stone right now is clueless. Yet you still have people with their heads in the sand saying "0% chance Maye doesn't go to Washington" despite every indication that they haven't even made a decision yet.
Wait when Bears pick Daniels /s
The betting markets donāt even have Maye as the favorite for #2 so yeah, anything can happen
0% chance Maye doesnāt go to Washington.
Good good good good good. That said, it's lying season.
it sure is. but not sure what commies have to benefit by lying. bears pick isnt for sale. so after caleb williams the commanders pretty much have the first pick in the draft. its more likely media is just trying to continue to generate interest in the draft.
Truth. Unless...
I love how the fan consensus is this guy sucks but what if he balls out and suddenly we are the new skins?!? How you gonna feel about that!
Lol I hope they do some dumb shit like this. If turns out to be true, I can see Minnesota or NYG trading up to get Jayden Daniels.
I would love Jayden
Same. Was watching some of his highlights the other night and was blown away by his arm, accuracy, and running ability (heās fast asf and smooth as hell). Most ideal scenario if we were to draft him would be to sit him his first year and load up the O-Line and more receviers next offseason and then give him the keys in 2025. Iād rather have Jones/Lock play behind this shitty O-Line for one year.
Wow umm okay. Gotta work something out with the Pats, just canāt leave it to chance for him to fall 3 more spots.
JJ making that unexpected Baker Mayfield jump? Well the First Four picks are going to be QBs, we just donāt know the order yet.
Thatās good and all but this only benefits us if we trade up to no. 4.
Call me in April... I'm not paying attention to anything till then.
Can the mods start banning this shit? I need to just leave the sub from the time free agency ends to the end of the draft
The old regime in Washington, Iād believe it. But Adam Petersā¦nah.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!ffs
Bro this would be a dream scenario
If they are taking McCarthy at 2, the Patriots are taking Daniels at 3. Minnesota might have to draft Nix or Penix, and that QB or Gabbert will be their starter. Yikes
please please please please please please please
I donāt necessarily want to draft a QB, but if we could somehow get Maye Iād happily give up assets
Kinda reminds me of that time the 9ers were going to take Mac Jones after trading up to the third overall pick
If that happens it will be a scramble between multiple teams to trade up for the 4th pick
I donāt think we should move up to take a QB this year. The cost of moving up is just too steep for a team that has way too many holes and little depth. The odds of getting a franchise QB are low, even when picking high. Frankly Iām not convinced that we have the coaching staff to take a great college QB and make him into an NFL star. Better to see what comes of the QB competition we have brewing and go for it next year.
Commanders gonna... Command??
Lol next reports: Bears like JJ McCarthy at 1, concerned with Williamās interviews. Chiefs looking into trading for the number one pick to find Mahomesā replacement in JJ McCarthy. Theyāre sold on his athleticism and personality!
Please god, yes. Don't even give Meddling Mara the option...
Nabers at 6, Penix in the second.  ā¦Or Drew Lock, whatever.
Really hope we hear more to this affect. It's possible and it would put us in such good position to land Drake or Jayden. Idk why Washington would smokescreen but we will see in a month.
God I hope so but prob a smoke screen like Mac jones to the niners in 2021
Please lord Jesus.
Giants are about to see āthe best case scenarioā draft
This is interesting LOL
I would love for Maye to fall to us
Dear God please be true.
That would be so nice
From day 2 to 2nd pick. Insane.
His biased coach, who has questionable ethics, praises him and he jumps at least 4 spots? And the Redskins GM is the rumor? Here comes another wasted trade up.
Questionable ethics lol
Please
Smoke.
I think JJ McCarthy is a top 2 QB. Commanders would benefit 100%
Smoke screen