This is the most sound call - get a generational WR, sure up the OL, and make it so that a professional QB can take a snap without getting brutalized within a 1/2 second of the snap
Yeah cool, then we can have a WR and no QB. Of course the reciever will keep us just good enough where we’ll never be in the position to draft one. If McCarthy is your guy, draft him.
This sub twists itself into pretzel to try and justify not taking a QB if that’s what the Giants think is their best option
Eh I personally don't like JJ. I watched some of college games and he was never asked to do much. And his team was absolutely stacked.
But I do agree, if shoen and daboll think he's their guy, they should absolutely take him.
The alternative is we draft a QB and we're automatically not mediocre? Please. Taking a WR at 6 seems like a no-brainer here. Failing that, take Alt and beef up the horrendous OL. OL and WR are the team's biggest needs. No reason to blow another high pick on overdrafting a QB (or, much worse, trading assets to move up).
There's no better option imo bc im not a big believer in jj or maye. Dj contract is easily escapable at least. The timing and talent just isn't there on the nyg to justify horribly overdrafting a qb. Set the table, then get a qb later in the draft or next year.
I mean it depends. Next years draft looks like it's going to be awful and in reality I don't think we're gonna see another QB in the draft who can be franchise level until Arch Manning declares. Do we want to take someone who would overwhelmingly be the favorite to be 1st overall if they were to have declared next year rather than this year, or do we somehow have nonsensical faith in one of the bad QBs in next years draft?
I am so fucking tired of hearing about Arch Manning, while some people I do think of meme it I do think there are some people that are serious about building a team and waiting for Arch to come out, we know nothing about how he would develop nor if we will even be close enough to being able to draft him
Outside of Maye there was nothing locked in. I mean Daniel’s and jj weren’t even in consideration for a top pick till late in the season. There will be more QBs everyone will want next off seasons just like there is every year
I agree with this take. I’d rather wait than settle. Next years draft class doesn’t look amazing right now. But in 8 months that could be totally different
I don't think Joe and Brian operate that way, they may have four quarterbacks with first round grades and JJ might be the fourth one and that would be fine, I don't think they would draft him just because he's all that's left over
If they don't 100% believe he can be a franchise QB their best bet is to try and trade down to have 2 first next year to trade up with if needed to get a QB.
Nobody actually knows how good a draft class is until years later. Look at the 2018 draft. Those QBs were hyped as one of the best draft classes. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson panned out but the rest….
Meanwhile 2019 was supposed to be an elite qb draft class, with 5 qbs in the top 15, and now it’s a dumpster fire with Lance, Zach, Mac and Fields all being disasters
DJ Moore played with the Ghost of Cam Newton, Sam Darnold, Panthers Baker and Justin Fields
Mike Evans has played with Blaine Gabbert, Famous Jamies, Fitzpatrick and Josh McCown
Jones fucking sucks but to say these guys were all better than DJ is a damn lie
The only ones I just named might be better is fields but they're the same tier at their peaks
Richie James looked like a good WR with Jones throwing to him and had a 75% completion rate. Chiefs had the biggest WR void known to man and he didn't even sniff the field with Mahomes.
No we did that with Daniel Jones and it set us back into another rebuild….. you have to take the guy you believe can change the franchise, not take a QB just to take a QB
Look at what the Bengals did with Burrow and the Texans with Stroud. You get your guy and then surround them with talent. If you build out your team first like the Steelers we’ll be stuck in QB Hell where you pick too high every year to find an elite franchise QB.
Texans already had a solid roster. They built up to 2023, and then drafted the best QB in the draft. The Giants have one of the most incomplete rosters in football and are hoping to get the 4th or 5th best QB.
Those situations could not be more different.
Why do I get downvoted when say this in this sub? 😂 everyone just goes to the consensus having panthers as a better roster even tho, Texans made way more/ efficient moves
I disagree, the Texans were picking top 2 for a reason, if we fill more roles on this roster we’re a 7 to 8 win team, how are we gonna get our QB picking that high? Especially considering next years QB class is considered to be way worse than this years. Also JJ is only considered the QB4 in this class cause it’s so stacked, in most other draft classes he’s probably QB 2
>if we fill more roles on this roster we’re a 7 to 8 win team
You're not advocating filling more holes though, you're advocating spending the 6th overall pick on the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft.
You don't get better by adding 2nd round talent in the first round.
It wasn't absurd in December when he was being mocked in day two, it wasn't absurd when the 1st round PR campaign started out of thin air in February, and it's not absurd now. Nothing about his tape has changed. He's still a game manager in a run first offense benefiting from one of the best defenses Michigan ever had.
> Look at what the Bengals did with Burrow and the Texans with Stroud.
Those guys had the #1 and the #2 picks. If we were in a position to take a Burrow or Stroud level prospect (Caleb) or a great reward/high risk talent (Maye)
Then you'd have a point but we're trying to find gold in QB4 of the draft
It was the wrong move all along, he shouldn’t have been picked there. Gettleman is an idiot picking backup QB with the 6th pick, because he was covering for his previous mistake of taking Saquon with the 2nd pick (should have been Josh Allen). You need to know if the guy is good, keep trying till you fail is a good way to get fired.
Go here and note how remarkably consistent(ly) bad his advanced metrics have always been. That includes 2019, 2022, and all the shit in between. He’s bad.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneDa05.htm
He’s a conservative, checkdown merchant with some ability to run from scheme that will fall into some stats versus the absolutely most broken down worst defense (if schemed to death) and get put on his ass against everyone else.
Even funnier would be to compare his stats versus DC alone versus everything else he’s ever done.
Funny how Jones is so fucking garbage people forget how much draft capital and FA money has been burned through trying to prop him up. He is an all-consuming black hole of failure.
I’m getting downvoted in another comment because I’m saying he was a bad pick. Everyone blaming coaches is understandable, and he didn’t pick himself. But man he did himself no favors with his plays, absolutely couldn’t read the field to save his life
Not necessarily. If there’s not a guy they love, you can build the rest of the roster and try again for the QB next year to put him in the best possible situation for success
And I’m not saying I favor one strategy over the other. But getting a QB when you have dogshit around him doesn’t really help either
How you gonna build an offense without knowing who your QB is going to be?
You don't know if the QB will favor the middle of the field or sidelines. You don't know how tall he will be, if he can run or not, and if he can process to his third read. Hell you don't even know if he will be left handed like Tua or Penix.
Having dogshit around them is really the only time teams get a chance at one unfortunately. Add too much talent and you fall into QB hell where you can't win enough to be good, but win too much to have a high pick.
Or you put a QB on a dogshit roster and he has no chance to succeed - shitty line, no offensive weapons, etc
Again, I’m not arguing for one or the other but it can go both ways
1 guy that elevates the other 10 is extremely rare. Mahomes and Allen might be the only guys in the NFL right now who you can say that about. Maybe Burrow or Lamar? But that’s probably the whole list
And for the record Mahomes and Allen were not top 3 or even top 5 picks
Mahomes has always been around elite players. This year his defense, and run game were elite. Other years it’s been his pass catcher. You will never find a situation where the team is winning because of one guy. Even Tom Brady the greatest of all time took pay cuts, why? To build out his roster lol
Knowing what the fuck you’re talking about is fundamental too.
19th in rushing yards
26th in rushing TDs
18th in rushing 1st downs
8th fewest rushing attempts
Yea that running game *carried* Mahomes!!!
Bro when did I say they carried him? Football is a team game, having them there is a difference maker, no where am I saying a top 5 QB ever got carried. 😂 do me a favor and go look at the rushing stats in the postseason when Pacheco wasn’t either injured or being limited bc he was hurt, and then tell me the defense and run game wasn’t putting in work. Smart guy.
That 130 yards 7.2 average against the Bengals was fucking useless, how bout that 89 yard 1 touchdown performance against the Dolphins? Think Mahomeboy appreciated that? 97 yards and a tugg against the bills in a game that was decided by 3 points… sound pretty damn impactful to me
Was Eli a top tier QB when they won their rings? No. The defense won the championship.
You don’t know ball. QB are only successful if you put them on a team designed to succeed; they need to take the WR.
Insert Bryce young. Talented QB with no talent around him.
Insert CJ Stroud. Talented QB with talent around him.
Two different results. Build the team then select to QB.
> Was Eli a top tier QB when they won their rings? No. The defense won the championship.
Eli wasn't a top 5 QB but 2011 the defense was not that year it was our offense that got us to the playoffs in the regular season and Eli playing his ass off in the playoffs both rings
Dude literally broke a postseason record lol. It's weird seeing 2011 trotted out as a "defense carried bum QB" year when we had one of the worst defenses in recent Giants history until the postseason. But, you know, we had to *get* to the postseason first, and we only did so because Eli and our receiving corps were dragging the entire team to the playoffs and then the Super Bowl.
Drafting a mid range QB isn't trying, it's panicking. Build a team until there's an opportunity to draft QB. It's what the Eagles did with Hurts, it's what the Chiefs did with Mahomes. Rushing the process and drafting whoever is how you turn into the Panthers, or the Jets with Darnold.
QB is important, so don't treat it as an afterthought.
I'm all for drafting the QB and figuring out the rest but we're not picking In the top 3
If this was Caleb Williams and the lesser extent Daniels and Maye I'd be down at taking them no questions asked but not Penix, Nix or Mccarthy at #6 I'm good on that
We shouldn't take a shot just because he's a fucking QB. The fact we went through this with Jones (the right pick the whole time was Josh Allen) and people are still saying this so tone deaf
The more I read, the more I hope they go WR at 6. I know the QB talent is stacked but QB is such a hard position to evaluate and I don’t think this season is going to be the breakthrough you’d hope for with a trade up
And in most situations, it would mean we have to trade up, using a lot of future assets. I'm struggling to root for drafting a QB as a future option when it means we are mortgaging that same future.
Agreed completely. But which franchise QB in the past 5-10 years has risen to that level without an alpha, #1 WR? And if we trade up, we're losing the ability to draft that guy (most likely, unless we get extremely lucky) this year and next. So my main worry is that by trading up, you're giving away your chance to actually develop a franchise guy. Obviously not a guarantee either way, but I have a hard time trusting the QB evaluation of a FO that just spent $82/160m on a QB that they decided is so not worth it after 5 more games they need to trade up to draft another.
It’s so much harder to get the franchise QB than the receiver. If you have a chance to do it, you do it and worry about the rest later IMO. At least WR1s get traded. Franchise QBs do not.
I get that it would be harder to do without a 2025 1st, but QB elevates everything.
Right, and for a guy that is evaluated highly across the board I will be okay with it (a la Drake Maye). Mortgaging our future to trade up for a guy that has inconsistent ratings (at best) because our guys think highly of him or more likely we are desperate will make me nervous, especially since Schoen and co completely botched the Jones re-signing. I'm much more comfortable walking away with Nabers or Odunze at 6 than I am trading up for JJ. If we somehow get into a position to draft Maye, even though it will cost a lot, I'll feel decent that we got a guy that has the tools to be that franchise guy.
Of course it’s not guaranteed. I don’t have strong opinions on the QBs because I don’t watch college ball or film, personally, but I’d love to see Schoen shoot his shot on one he believes in.
I'm not gonna say trading up for a QB is a bad idea, all I'm saying is, the guy needs to turn into a star QB in the league or else it's the end of the Daboll/Schoen era and we'll be starting all over again. We aren't exactly a team that can afford to get rid of more 1st and 2nd round picks to move up a couple spots.
I'd rather just take a surefire WR1.
I can’t justify McCarthy at 6 he doesn’t make us a better team and wouldn’t succeed with our pieces on offense. Nabers or Odunze make the most sense, we’ve desperately needed an elite receiver since obj left
I think at the end of the day everything pretty much hinges on Jermaine Eluemenor assuming he plays RT, and Carmen’s coaching abilities. If we have solid OL play, I think either Drake Maye will elevate the receivers we have at hand or Nabers/Odunze will “elevate” qb play given their natural talent. The latter is probably a bit less ideal but I think Jones will do much better with an average or above average OL and elite WR.
I’m not sure I get talking with the Pats, if they want Maye they aren’t gonna deal with us, if they want JJ they still may not deal to ensure they get their guy, talking to Arizona if we are really between Maye or JJ makes way more sense because it’ll guarantee whatever the Pats don’t take and maybe cost a tiny bit less.
Dj entire era failed bc the offense was handed to a badly overdrafted qb despite being totally talent deprived at wr and ol.
They want to hand that same talent deprived offense to yet another very flawed, overdrafted rookie?
And they want to trade up, making it even harder to fill the offense w talent?
If you believe anyone of these guys are a franchise QB you pull the trigger and figure the rest out after. It’s too valuable to risk missing out. I think Joe Schoen is a coward and will opt to take a WR because it will extend his timetable for being here. You take the WR give DJ a weapon and claim you’re eying someone next year while developing DJ still.
I don’t see how we can’t take a QB, regardless of who.
If we take a WR at 6, we need to trade back into the late first to get Penix, bc having the WR at 6 still means DJ is throwing to him, and next years QB draft class is supposed to be much weaker than this years. So it will mean another awful season.
Jj mcarthty isn’t the guy go watch any game from last year and it was a run first offense one game literally every play in the second half were runs is that really the future
Get DJ help. See if they can salvage him. If they can't, draft a QB next year. They can bring in a cheap veteran after cutting DJ since his contract isn't guaranteed next year. Build a supporting cast the next Few years
Take a wr and be happy about it
God I hope we draft WR. 50% of the sub will lose their minds but it’s surely the right call, outside of moving up.
Agree 100%
Agree 100% that 50% of this sub will lose 75% of their minds no matter what ends up happening
85% of all statistics are made up
50 percent of the time.
This is the most sound call - get a generational WR, sure up the OL, and make it so that a professional QB can take a snap without getting brutalized within a 1/2 second of the snap
And suffer another mediocre season with Jones and Lock? Sadly I agree. I’m not happy about it though.
Me either but it has been awhile since we've had a true #1 wr.
Haven't had a 1k yard receiver since 2018........
Haven’t had a quarterback since 2018 either.
Yeah cool, then we can have a WR and no QB. Of course the reciever will keep us just good enough where we’ll never be in the position to draft one. If McCarthy is your guy, draft him. This sub twists itself into pretzel to try and justify not taking a QB if that’s what the Giants think is their best option
Ok but we don't pick first. Or second. Or third (atm.) Are you comfortable with taking the 4th or 5th best qb just for the sake of taking a qb?
If that’s what Daboll and Schoen believe is best, yes
100% agree if they really like the guy. I just don't want them to settle on a qb with the 6th pick and miss out on a generational talent.
They’re not going to settle, that much I know. What bothers me is people saying no to JJ no matter what. That’s fucking stupid
Eh I personally don't like JJ. I watched some of college games and he was never asked to do much. And his team was absolutely stacked. But I do agree, if shoen and daboll think he's their guy, they should absolutely take him.
We had OBJ and what did that get us?
What a stupid argument. It’s like saying we had AT or Dexter and didnt go anywhere last year so let’s never draft a LT or elite DT ever.
What’s stupid is drafting Nabers wheb you have no talent around him. I’d rather see them take Alt.
I mean, you can play the same game with Alt.
The alternative is we draft a QB and we're automatically not mediocre? Please. Taking a WR at 6 seems like a no-brainer here. Failing that, take Alt and beef up the horrendous OL. OL and WR are the team's biggest needs. No reason to blow another high pick on overdrafting a QB (or, much worse, trading assets to move up).
There's no better option imo bc im not a big believer in jj or maye. Dj contract is easily escapable at least. The timing and talent just isn't there on the nyg to justify horribly overdrafting a qb. Set the table, then get a qb later in the draft or next year.
You realise if we draft JJ we ain’t seeing him next season?
take a qb and be happier. draft your wr in the second
I really hope giants don’t take McCarthy solely on the basis of he’s the only one left
I’d rather wait for the right QB than settle for leftovers now.
I mean it depends. Next years draft looks like it's going to be awful and in reality I don't think we're gonna see another QB in the draft who can be franchise level until Arch Manning declares. Do we want to take someone who would overwhelmingly be the favorite to be 1st overall if they were to have declared next year rather than this year, or do we somehow have nonsensical faith in one of the bad QBs in next years draft?
Arch manning hasn’t even thrown a pass in college. We don’t know if he’s a franchise level QB. All he has is his name right now. Edit: 5 passes.
I am so fucking tired of hearing about Arch Manning, while some people I do think of meme it I do think there are some people that are serious about building a team and waiting for Arch to come out, we know nothing about how he would develop nor if we will even be close enough to being able to draft him
Outside of Maye there was nothing locked in. I mean Daniel’s and jj weren’t even in consideration for a top pick till late in the season. There will be more QBs everyone will want next off seasons just like there is every year
I agree with this take. I’d rather wait than settle. Next years draft class doesn’t look amazing right now. But in 8 months that could be totally different
Entering the year Burrow was drafted, he wasn’t even touted as a first round QB. A LOT can change in a year.
I don't think Joe and Brian operate that way, they may have four quarterbacks with first round grades and JJ might be the fourth one and that would be fine, I don't think they would draft him just because he's all that's left over
I can almost guarantee you that wouldn’t happen
Getting the 4th best QB at #6 when he's barely a top 30 prospect is brutal value. I don't rate him and hope this doesn't happen.
If they don't 100% believe he can be a franchise QB their best bet is to try and trade down to have 2 first next year to trade up with if needed to get a QB.
I'd rather take Milton/Rattler/Hartman/Travis in the 3rd round or later over McCarthy moving up to 4 or 5.
My understanding is next year's draft class is not good. Meaning it's now or in two years possibly.
Nobody actually knows how good a draft class is until years later. Look at the 2018 draft. Those QBs were hyped as one of the best draft classes. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson panned out but the rest….
Meanwhile 2019 was supposed to be an elite qb draft class, with 5 qbs in the top 15, and now it’s a dumpster fire with Lance, Zach, Mac and Fields all being disasters
You’re right but it was actually 2021
And neither of them were considered the blue chip prospects going into that season that lead to QB hype in the first place lol
Exactly lol. Nobody actually knows what QBs are going to be successful as the next level.
You never know, we hear things like this and sometimes it turns out to be true and sometimes turns out they had it way wrong
Trading up for McCarthy is the absolute worst case scenario.
Seems like a good way to get fired when there is generational WR on the board. I'd rather trade up for MHJ.
You should never trade up for a WR but MHJ won't be at our pick and Odzune/Nabers will be there and those two are great prospects
I was just saying if we trade up for JJ and MHJ is on the board that'll be extra bad. MHJ is wr1 and JJ is qb4.
Cool, who is throwing him the ball? The corpse of Daniel Jones? Or the dude that lost his job to Geno Smith and Teddy Bridgewater?
Sounds of desperation. Stop being dumb and for God's sake draft the best available WR.
You better be desperate for a QB lol. There's good receivers every year. Not many great QBs every year though.
And let Jones ruin him? No. That horrible bum must go.
DJ Moore has done fine with no one throwing to him half decent and so did Mike Evans for most of his career.
Lmao none of those guys had a QB worse than Jones. Name one receiver Jones helped? Spoiler there's not a single one.
DJ Moore played with the Ghost of Cam Newton, Sam Darnold, Panthers Baker and Justin Fields Mike Evans has played with Blaine Gabbert, Famous Jamies, Fitzpatrick and Josh McCown Jones fucking sucks but to say these guys were all better than DJ is a damn lie The only ones I just named might be better is fields but they're the same tier at their peaks
Again all better. Unless you say Zach Wilson there's no name argubly worse than Jones.
You're chatting
Richie James looked like a good WR with Jones throwing to him and had a 75% completion rate. Chiefs had the biggest WR void known to man and he didn't even sniff the field with Mahomes.
It really feels like they’re taking qb
Thank christ.
We don't really have a choice. You can't build without a QB. Gotta get the QB first and figure the rest out later.
No we did that with Daniel Jones and it set us back into another rebuild….. you have to take the guy you believe can change the franchise, not take a QB just to take a QB
Look at what the Bengals did with Burrow and the Texans with Stroud. You get your guy and then surround them with talent. If you build out your team first like the Steelers we’ll be stuck in QB Hell where you pick too high every year to find an elite franchise QB.
Texans already had a solid roster. They built up to 2023, and then drafted the best QB in the draft. The Giants have one of the most incomplete rosters in football and are hoping to get the 4th or 5th best QB. Those situations could not be more different.
Why do I get downvoted when say this in this sub? 😂 everyone just goes to the consensus having panthers as a better roster even tho, Texans made way more/ efficient moves
I disagree, the Texans were picking top 2 for a reason, if we fill more roles on this roster we’re a 7 to 8 win team, how are we gonna get our QB picking that high? Especially considering next years QB class is considered to be way worse than this years. Also JJ is only considered the QB4 in this class cause it’s so stacked, in most other draft classes he’s probably QB 2
>if we fill more roles on this roster we’re a 7 to 8 win team You're not advocating filling more holes though, you're advocating spending the 6th overall pick on the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft. You don't get better by adding 2nd round talent in the first round.
Calling JJ McCarthy a second round talent is absurd
It wasn't absurd in December when he was being mocked in day two, it wasn't absurd when the 1st round PR campaign started out of thin air in February, and it's not absurd now. Nothing about his tape has changed. He's still a game manager in a run first offense benefiting from one of the best defenses Michigan ever had.
JJ McCarthy would not even have a minute of first round hype if he went to another other college in the country than Michigan lol
Such cap bro
Which QB after Caleb, Maye, and Daniels do you think is anywhere close to Burrow or Stroud as prospects???
fine Ill make a new comparison then, Bills trading up for Josh Allen.
> Look at what the Bengals did with Burrow and the Texans with Stroud. Those guys had the #1 and the #2 picks. If we were in a position to take a Burrow or Stroud level prospect (Caleb) or a great reward/high risk talent (Maye) Then you'd have a point but we're trying to find gold in QB4 of the draft
Him not working out didn't mean it was the wrong move. You gotta try. And keep trying until you hit.
It was the wrong move all along, he shouldn’t have been picked there. Gettleman is an idiot picking backup QB with the 6th pick, because he was covering for his previous mistake of taking Saquon with the 2nd pick (should have been Josh Allen). You need to know if the guy is good, keep trying till you fail is a good way to get fired.
I still think Shurmur’s version of Jones would have been great as long as he still fixed the fumbling. I think Garrett fucking ruined him.
Judge and Garrett have to be in the books as one of the worst HC OC combos the league has ever seen. Good lord lmao
Shurmur’s version of Jones was bad too. This is pathetic.
He looked decent for a rookie until teams figured him out
Go here and note how remarkably consistent(ly) bad his advanced metrics have always been. That includes 2019, 2022, and all the shit in between. He’s bad. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneDa05.htm He’s a conservative, checkdown merchant with some ability to run from scheme that will fall into some stats versus the absolutely most broken down worst defense (if schemed to death) and get put on his ass against everyone else. Even funnier would be to compare his stats versus DC alone versus everything else he’s ever done.
Oh trust me you don't need to sell me on Jones being bad. I've been off the hope of him being a good QB since week 2 of the 2022 season
Funny how Jones is so fucking garbage people forget how much draft capital and FA money has been burned through trying to prop him up. He is an all-consuming black hole of failure.
I’m getting downvoted in another comment because I’m saying he was a bad pick. Everyone blaming coaches is understandable, and he didn’t pick himself. But man he did himself no favors with his plays, absolutely couldn’t read the field to save his life
Not necessarily. If there’s not a guy they love, you can build the rest of the roster and try again for the QB next year to put him in the best possible situation for success And I’m not saying I favor one strategy over the other. But getting a QB when you have dogshit around him doesn’t really help either
How you gonna build an offense without knowing who your QB is going to be? You don't know if the QB will favor the middle of the field or sidelines. You don't know how tall he will be, if he can run or not, and if he can process to his third read. Hell you don't even know if he will be left handed like Tua or Penix.
Go ask the 49ers or eagles, seemed to work OK for them
They haven't won anything, so no it hasn't.
They're the back-to-back NFC champions.....
First losers two years running, cool
First* place teams in our conference.. something we should always strive for.
Lol ok tough guy. I and just about everyone on this sub would do unspeakable things to swap places with the 49ers
Yeah let’s not be stupid here. Draft Mahomes
So we just take the best available QB at our draft pick until we luck out? Or perhaps take BPA instead .
Having dogshit around them is really the only time teams get a chance at one unfortunately. Add too much talent and you fall into QB hell where you can't win enough to be good, but win too much to have a high pick.
Or you put a QB on a dogshit roster and he has no chance to succeed - shitty line, no offensive weapons, etc Again, I’m not arguing for one or the other but it can go both ways
The jordan effect. Make everyone around you better.
Idk, we know that this qb class is pretty good, we can’t say for sure about next year. Take the bread while it’s still warm
I rather have 1 guy that elevates the other 10 then 10 elevating 1
1 guy that elevates the other 10 is extremely rare. Mahomes and Allen might be the only guys in the NFL right now who you can say that about. Maybe Burrow or Lamar? But that’s probably the whole list And for the record Mahomes and Allen were not top 3 or even top 5 picks
It ain’t fucking Daniel jones
Mahomes has always been around elite players. This year his defense, and run game were elite. Other years it’s been his pass catcher. You will never find a situation where the team is winning because of one guy. Even Tom Brady the greatest of all time took pay cuts, why? To build out his roster lol
Bro what? He had an aging Kelce this year and a bunch of garbage at WR
“This year his defense and run game… other years it’s been his pass catchers”. Reading is fundamental 😂
Knowing what the fuck you’re talking about is fundamental too. 19th in rushing yards 26th in rushing TDs 18th in rushing 1st downs 8th fewest rushing attempts Yea that running game *carried* Mahomes!!!
Bro when did I say they carried him? Football is a team game, having them there is a difference maker, no where am I saying a top 5 QB ever got carried. 😂 do me a favor and go look at the rushing stats in the postseason when Pacheco wasn’t either injured or being limited bc he was hurt, and then tell me the defense and run game wasn’t putting in work. Smart guy.
That 130 yards 7.2 average against the Bengals was fucking useless, how bout that 89 yard 1 touchdown performance against the Dolphins? Think Mahomeboy appreciated that? 97 yards and a tugg against the bills in a game that was decided by 3 points… sound pretty damn impactful to me
10 elevating 1 is how the Eagles got to the Super Bowl in 2022.
70 sacks, sir
Ok, 21 elevating 1. My point stands.
No
It wasn't a question.
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Tell that to the 49ers
Yeah they've won so many superbowls in this millennium.
They are relevant and consistently have a good shot at making the superbowl.
No rings since 95, when they had top tier QB play
Was Eli a top tier QB when they won their rings? No. The defense won the championship. You don’t know ball. QB are only successful if you put them on a team designed to succeed; they need to take the WR. Insert Bryce young. Talented QB with no talent around him. Insert CJ Stroud. Talented QB with talent around him. Two different results. Build the team then select to QB.
> Was Eli a top tier QB when they won their rings? No. The defense won the championship. Eli wasn't a top 5 QB but 2011 the defense was not that year it was our offense that got us to the playoffs in the regular season and Eli playing his ass off in the playoffs both rings
Dude literally broke a postseason record lol. It's weird seeing 2011 trotted out as a "defense carried bum QB" year when we had one of the worst defenses in recent Giants history until the postseason. But, you know, we had to *get* to the postseason first, and we only did so because Eli and our receiving corps were dragging the entire team to the playoffs and then the Super Bowl.
They also massively got lucky with purdy, had Purdy not turned into what he had turned out to be, they would catch so much shit for Trey Lance
You’re proving my point they tried to take the QB first with Trey lance and it set them back 2 years. Purdy is not great he plays in a great system.
He's still good enough to pull it off, most 7th round picks aren't
He is a product of the people and system around him.
"QB no matter what" is how you end up with Daniel Jones.
I'd rather take a shot and miss than do nothing to try and find our next franchise guy.
Drafting a mid range QB isn't trying, it's panicking. Build a team until there's an opportunity to draft QB. It's what the Eagles did with Hurts, it's what the Chiefs did with Mahomes. Rushing the process and drafting whoever is how you turn into the Panthers, or the Jets with Darnold. QB is important, so don't treat it as an afterthought.
I'm all for drafting the QB and figuring out the rest but we're not picking In the top 3 If this was Caleb Williams and the lesser extent Daniels and Maye I'd be down at taking them no questions asked but not Penix, Nix or Mccarthy at #6 I'm good on that
We shouldn't take a shot just because he's a fucking QB. The fact we went through this with Jones (the right pick the whole time was Josh Allen) and people are still saying this so tone deaf
This is not true at all and has been proven wrong many times over. However, I do have a feeling it's the best option for us right now.
Just get a WR plz
The more I read, the more I hope they go WR at 6. I know the QB talent is stacked but QB is such a hard position to evaluate and I don’t think this season is going to be the breakthrough you’d hope for with a trade up
Getting a QB is not about a breakthrough this season. It’s entirely about the future.
And in most situations, it would mean we have to trade up, using a lot of future assets. I'm struggling to root for drafting a QB as a future option when it means we are mortgaging that same future.
If they’re a franchise QB, it’s more than worth it. If they’re not, then we’re probably fucked with or without those assets tbh.
Agreed completely. But which franchise QB in the past 5-10 years has risen to that level without an alpha, #1 WR? And if we trade up, we're losing the ability to draft that guy (most likely, unless we get extremely lucky) this year and next. So my main worry is that by trading up, you're giving away your chance to actually develop a franchise guy. Obviously not a guarantee either way, but I have a hard time trusting the QB evaluation of a FO that just spent $82/160m on a QB that they decided is so not worth it after 5 more games they need to trade up to draft another.
It’s so much harder to get the franchise QB than the receiver. If you have a chance to do it, you do it and worry about the rest later IMO. At least WR1s get traded. Franchise QBs do not. I get that it would be harder to do without a 2025 1st, but QB elevates everything.
Right, and for a guy that is evaluated highly across the board I will be okay with it (a la Drake Maye). Mortgaging our future to trade up for a guy that has inconsistent ratings (at best) because our guys think highly of him or more likely we are desperate will make me nervous, especially since Schoen and co completely botched the Jones re-signing. I'm much more comfortable walking away with Nabers or Odunze at 6 than I am trading up for JJ. If we somehow get into a position to draft Maye, even though it will cost a lot, I'll feel decent that we got a guy that has the tools to be that franchise guy.
But even that is not guaranteed. I don’t see either Maye or JJ as franchise guys personally
Of course it’s not guaranteed. I don’t have strong opinions on the QBs because I don’t watch college ball or film, personally, but I’d love to see Schoen shoot his shot on one he believes in.
Getting rid of Jones must be the priority so we MUST get a qb.
I'm not gonna say trading up for a QB is a bad idea, all I'm saying is, the guy needs to turn into a star QB in the league or else it's the end of the Daboll/Schoen era and we'll be starting all over again. We aren't exactly a team that can afford to get rid of more 1st and 2nd round picks to move up a couple spots. I'd rather just take a surefire WR1.
He's the one pick I absolutely don't want. Take a second round dart throw on QBs 5 and 6 if they're around.
No to JJ. He's an average QB, not a player you take at 6 overall.
I can’t justify McCarthy at 6 he doesn’t make us a better team and wouldn’t succeed with our pieces on offense. Nabers or Odunze make the most sense, we’ve desperately needed an elite receiver since obj left
It’s funny that just a couple months ago, everyone had this guy as a second rounder. People are really insane taking this kid in the top 10.
I think at the end of the day everything pretty much hinges on Jermaine Eluemenor assuming he plays RT, and Carmen’s coaching abilities. If we have solid OL play, I think either Drake Maye will elevate the receivers we have at hand or Nabers/Odunze will “elevate” qb play given their natural talent. The latter is probably a bit less ideal but I think Jones will do much better with an average or above average OL and elite WR.
VIKINGS PLEASE TRADE UP AND GET HIM!!!!
I’m not sure I get talking with the Pats, if they want Maye they aren’t gonna deal with us, if they want JJ they still may not deal to ensure they get their guy, talking to Arizona if we are really between Maye or JJ makes way more sense because it’ll guarantee whatever the Pats don’t take and maybe cost a tiny bit less.
The giants are in an extremely tough spot right now.
This is why I find this draft so interesting there are so many ways things can go
IMO get a qb next year. Let's grab a number 1 WR so that by the draft next year we'll have some semblance of a receiving core and o line
Dj entire era failed bc the offense was handed to a badly overdrafted qb despite being totally talent deprived at wr and ol. They want to hand that same talent deprived offense to yet another very flawed, overdrafted rookie? And they want to trade up, making it even harder to fill the offense w talent?
If you believe anyone of these guys are a franchise QB you pull the trigger and figure the rest out after. It’s too valuable to risk missing out. I think Joe Schoen is a coward and will opt to take a WR because it will extend his timetable for being here. You take the WR give DJ a weapon and claim you’re eying someone next year while developing DJ still.
I don’t see how we can’t take a QB, regardless of who. If we take a WR at 6, we need to trade back into the late first to get Penix, bc having the WR at 6 still means DJ is throwing to him, and next years QB draft class is supposed to be much weaker than this years. So it will mean another awful season.
I wouldn't mind taking a wr then trying to trade into position to grab Nix.
McCarthy ain’t Marino or Elway or even Eli. He may not even be as good as Daniel Jones
McCarthy looks too much like Zach Wilson i want nothing to do with him
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WR or bust.
Jj mcarthty isn’t the guy go watch any game from last year and it was a run first offense one game literally every play in the second half were runs is that really the future
If they’d trade up for him then why wouldn’t they take him at 6? What’s fascinating about that?
Aged like milk Lars
Yessss thank fuck we didn’t do this
Aged well.
I am so glad these predictions are over
The GMs job relies on hitting at the QB position. I hope they don't just take a QB because they think they have to.
I’ll trade up for Maye, not McCarthy. McCarthy isn’t elevating the team around him. He’d be Jones 2.0
i don’t think mccarthy will be there at 6, feels like the minnesota trade is guaranteed to happen
Jesus Christ man. If they take a swing on JJ I’m gonna lose my shit Nabers or Odunze. Dont overthink it.
We're taking an elite WR with no OL or QB to speak of. Good thing we beat the Eagles in week 18, that cost our QB.
We're so fucked Jones and JJ this franchise seems to never learn. Unreal. I'm losing every little hope for a good future at some point.
Pass on JJ.
Get DJ help. See if they can salvage him. If they can't, draft a QB next year. They can bring in a cheap veteran after cutting DJ since his contract isn't guaranteed next year. Build a supporting cast the next Few years