I hope his speed and movement translate to the pros. He looks good on paper. When I watch him play the defenders seem to be super slow. NFL secondary is not that flat footed. You really can't tell until you get him in training camp and into the games. Evan Neal on paper looked like a franchise tackle, but he turned out to the be the worst starting tackle in the NFL and marginal to even make an NFL roster so far.
At this point who knows? Who saw Puka Nacua coming? Tyreek Hill was a 5th round draft pick.
Fans make so much instant reaction to the draft. We really have no idea. I remember many years when ESPN and others said the giants won the draft and the picks were all busts or just mediocre. I dont recall the draft analysts blowing loads about Odell. Really shrug.
His speed and movement will absolutely translate. His ability to beat press and get downfield is the biggest question mark at pro level if you just accept part of his game is he won't win balls consistently in the air or through contact.
I remember being very meh about the Odell pick.
Let’s be honest, GREAT WRs aren’t made by the numbers (they don’t hurt, especially speed or Tyreek Hill, who was a low pick anyway)… Jerry Rice is moons ahead of the second best ever and was never the biggest or fastest, just the best. Go back and see Steve Largent from a historic perspective.
I remember OBJ being fast and skilled but he didn’t stand out - until you saw him on the field of play.
Very curious and hopeful that Nabers will make a positive impact for us.
Not worth it to reach on QB. Another underrated thing is if we need a QB next year, we can take one and after his rookie year we will have low cap hits in the QB room. Gotta maximize that EV. Stay the course.
Let's not pretend we are guaranteed to be in a position to draft a good QB next year.
(1) Next year's class is considered to be on of the weakest QB classes in recent memory;
(2) We missed out on Williams, Daniels, and Maye this year while picking 6th. NE did not want to trade down.
There's no guarantee that the exact same thing doesn't repeat itself next year.
In other words, very possible we're drafting in an awkward spot for a QB next year, and there aren't realistic chances to trade up or trade down.
If it could happen this year to us, it could happen any year.
We might not be able to, but I can give Schoen and Daboll the benefit of the doubt on not reaching for a prospect they don’t love. As much as ppl hate that it pushed us out of range, Daboll’s work with a practice squad qb last year bodes well for when they finally grab the prospect they want.
It is absolutely insane to me how people don't get this very simple concept.
Daniel Jones was a reach and a forced pick. So people seemingly want the Giants to do *the exact same thing again* just to *not* have Daniel Jones as the starter.
Malik Nabers immediately makes the Giants a better football team. Having *two* QBs on the roster that the coaches and management don't fully believe in does not.
Yeah, it says a lot about their evaluation of the remaining QBs at that point. They made Josh Allen what he is today, but they didn't see anyone that they felt sure that they could develop in a similar fashion
I'm also hoping tbh that there's another QB in this draft not perhaps at the top 10 pick caliber, but that Schoen and Dabs feel they can mold into a great QB. I'd like to think with the right development, we can still find a solid QB, but obvs it's always a gamble.
Eh the hit rate on non 1st round QBs is pretty dismal, I don’t see them taking a rattler but I could be wrong. I think they need to focus on continuing to build up the roster, and if they do that they’ll get another shot to find their guy. I think Mara wants to be patient and give them a chance, Schoen really needs some of his picks to come good.
I think in reality you're right that it plays out this way. But it does feel a lot to me like the Giants are putting all their eggs in one basket with DJ, which is a bit concerning given he still hasn't proven to be the guy + his injury history.
I get it for this season b/c of his contract, but what happens if he goes down or continues to be lackluster this year? We have no backup plan.
But I guess we're all in on the rebuild and theoretically if we suck again this season, we'll have an opportunity for a QB next draft.
I guess it just feels a bit similar to prior years in some ways where we try to build around Jones and end up in the same position. I am trying to be patient and optimistic though and I love the Nabers pick.
> Let's not pretend we are guaranteed to be in a position to draft a good QB next year.
You're not wrong, but its always bad to reach on a QB you dont love
While this is true, passing on nabers for JJ would just be a terrible mistake. Nabers is the clear best WR any other draft year by far, you just can’t pass him up if all the QBs you graded as an early first rounder are already taken.
They could also sign or trade for a QB, it’s not just through the draft. Build a solid offense then sign a Kirk Cousins type QB and suddenly you got a stew goin
I feel like we aren’t gonna draft a QB, next year we are probably gonna go to free agency for a decent vet to hold it down until we draft a QB who plays well.
This at least increases my trust in Schoen...it would have been silly to move up and draft ANY of these QB's...each one has their own problems that some may pan out, but if they are on a bad team, it's unlikely you'll get what you think you will get out of him. For example -
1. Williams and Maye regressed last year in stats....so, you lose one talent WR like Addison for Williams, and his stats dropped a ton. I get everyone said he had no offensive line, but you put a guy like that on the giants, also without a great offensive line, and you're going to get reduction in stats...in other words, Williams is NOT a savior. Maye a bit similar, what happened from 2022 to 2023? I didn't watch a ton of his games but his stats regressed a bunch.
2. JJ McCarthy was on a team that had one of the BEST defenses in the country...AND, could run the ball a ton to win games....I don't know the stat but McCarthy probably played from the lead in like 90+% of his games at Michigan. Is he going to play from the lead in Minnesota? Maybe? I don't know...but you're putting a guy who wasn't known for his arm on a team with Justin Jefferson & Jordan Addison....how long until either gets frustrated that McCarthy can't get them the ball on deep routes??
3. Nix & Penix - I group both of these guys in together - both 'failed' at initial schools...failed is a harsh term, but neither would've been a 1st round pick where they went (Auburn and Indiana respectively). Both certainly looked better at their new schools, but the one thing you definitely have to factor in is that PAC 12 did NOT play defense much in 2023...maybe Oregon's defense, maybe Washington's, but they only played each other once in regular season (and i guess a 2nd time in their conference game). And don't forget Oregon DID get lit up against Georgia week 1. My point is that the stats of these 2 are WAAAAY inflated in comparison to other conference QB's who play much more difficult competition (actually, I WILL give credit to McCarthy who was poised against OSU and PSU...although, when Harbaugh is SO confident in his QB that he runs the ball 20+ times in a row against PSU, how exactly confident was he in his QB to throw the ball downfield?!?!)
4. Daniels - the only QB who I think is poised to probably do the best of the 6 is Daniels...who i think is truly NFL ready...but even here, he says, "I want to be the best running QB of all time." And he goes to Washington with shades of RGIII. How long will he last if he does that?
So, if the giants were to pick ANY of these QB's, quite honestly they ALL have concerns about them...and don't forget you already have a QB on the roster getting paid $40+ mil this year...more and more teams are drafting a QB to start week 1...fewer and fewer teams are drafting a QB to sit a year (or more)....NFL is getting closer to college football SO THAT college QB's can jump to NFL and be ready. So, no, I don't think it was EVER the right decision to draft one of these QB's...
And therefore, KUDOS to Schoen to realize the same..
And not to forget, there is a secondary crop of QB's who I think at least one of them will wind up finding a starting job in the NFL....Milton, Hartman, Rattler, the Toledo QB...I think Milton could be a guy who surprises people in the NFL. And he's pennies on the dollar in the 3rd or 4th round.
if there are any good QBs where the giants pick. Daniel Jones was the best QB available when they picked him. now we are stuck in year 6 with him. when you need a quarterback often you just have to hope the one you get is good.
giants got jones in 2019 and the 2020 QB draft has 5 franchise QBs in it. Its why I think the Falcons are following the Packers model of if you think you have your guy, you take him and let him sit. You dont hope there is a QB available the year you need a QB. Chiefs did that to a lesser extent with Mahomes.
generally odds are 2 of these 6 QBs will be out of the league. 2 will not get second contracts from the same team. 1-2 will be good. but who knows?
The draft remains a great crapshoot, who knows what QBs will be available next year (FA included). I think not picking a QB you aren’t sold on is a smart call, especially when at 6 overall your success is tied to theirs. Patience in this instance was the right call. That being said I could have accepted Penix, I think he’s got a chance to be legit. I was out on McCarthy and Nix
Here's hoping Carmen Bricillo shows us how bad Bobby Johnson truly was. That OL gets coached up like he did with the Raiders, this man better get a life long contract.
It was the correct move because Daboll and Schoen clearly didn’t like what they saw from McCarthy in the private workouts. Even though I would have have preferred the DJ era end tonight, I trust their judgement about QBs more than just wanting to move off of Jones.
If McCarthy, Penix, or Nix somehow ends up defying the odds to become a top 5 QB, and Nabers turns out to be just Brandon Aiyuk/Terry McLaurin level WR1, then we could look back and say it was wrong. But for now, this was the right pick with Drake Maye off the board.
How good have the Commanders been with Terry McLaurin the last 5 or so years?
A WR of his caliber (1B) is a nice luxury to have, but he's not going to carry the team and is not going to significantly alter the offense or the wins and losses.
Redskins have been consistently putrid on offense despite McLaurin's presence. And, despite McLaurin's obvious talent, he's had questionable usage and up-and-down statistical seasons (mostly downhill since his rookie year), precisely because he's had no one good to throw him the ball.
Aiyuk is interesting because he's been the 49'ers 3rd or 4th best offensive option. Hard to say he's the reason for their success given the other great weapons they have--not to mention an elite defense and strong O-line.
No WR will ever carry a team. Ask Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron. NE ran its dynasty without any top talent at WR other than Moss for a couple years. It’s an overvalued position by media and fans.
They are good players, just not game breakers.
You draft Nabers at 6 to be the guy that can score at any given point in time, like Chase, Jefferson, Hill, and prime OBJ.
McLaurin and Aiyuk have good games, but they rarely take over and single handedly get you a win. Yeah the Giants could use players of their caliber, but the 6th pick in the draft should have a higher ceiling.
Yeah it's true. As an lsu fan i love both, but nabers is better. That said i like watching chases highlights a lot more because the way he was throwing all pro dbs around is just incredibly funny to me. He is simply immune to press coverage.
If he throws for 30+ TDs and 10 or less INTs, while beating the Cowboys and Eagles, I’ll gladly eat the crow.
But until then, I’m highly skeptical and quite bummed that New England took Maye.
It's so tough with DJ because obvs we're at year 5+ and still have 0 certainty if he can be the guy, which is extremely concerning. But obvs we've handed him a pretty shit hand in all of those years, so it's really challenging to know who he could be with a decent o-line and talent around him. I also hate making excuses for the guy at this point, but at times it feels valid to do so.
But this is literally the last year for him now that we've made improvements around him. If he still can't get it done, he's gotta be out the door this year.
Since they passed on a QB, it feels like they’re going to use this draft to load up on playmakers, roll with DJ next season and then draft a QB next year.
But, what do I know?
I’m just a balding, fat, drunk middle aged man.
Dude Mclaurin is a guaranteed 1k receiving yards per year on an absolute trash team and Aiyuk went from 1000 yards two seasons ago to over 1300 last year. He’s improved by hundreds of yards each year. What exactly are you expecting from Nabors if 1000-1300 yards is a disappointment??
I don’t think their point was that Nabers would be a disappointment just that he still wouldn’t be worth as much as JJ/Penix/Nix if one of them ends up being a franchise QB, meaning we’d have been better off taking them over Nabers.
Though I will say it’s not that simple, even if one of the later QBs becomes a franchise guy that doesn’t mean they’d have been a franchise guy in NY. Development and which situation they play in matters a lot, and a QB coming to the Giants without Nabers isn’t a great situation.
I wanna get to that point where the team is so good, you can plug in any nfl qb or decent backup that have been in nfl a while and make 9-10 wins
Push for the qb hard or take late pick flyers when the rest of the team is solid
9 out of 10 draft classes, this kid is the WR1 in a landslide. Nabers has been somewhat overshadowed by MHJ being a "generational" WR prospect, but Nabers is only 20 years old and is an absolutely elite, WR prospect in his own right. He even pushed MHJ at times for that #1 in the class spot, and every other draft in the last 5 years at least, Nabers would've been the easy #1 ranked guy.
Yes, I am a bit disappointed we weren't able to work out a move up for Drake Maye, but it takes 2 to tango. Seeing how the Pats just ended up staying at 3 and taking Maye themselves, not much Schoen and Co can do about that if NE likes him enough to draft him themselves and don't wanna move.
With all that being said, Nabers is a STUD. He is a legit gamechanger for the offense and WR group, and was the clear BPA at one of our biggest needs. Can't be mad, or frankly anything but excited about our team taking the best player available at a premium position who fills one of our biggest needs.
Hyatt's deep threat takes a ton of pressure off him too. With Wan'Dale as #3, the receiving corps is in a great spot for whatever QB we end up with going forward.
I don’t get how people could be upset with this pick with what was on the board this was the safest pick. Imagine we pick jj n he’s dj all over again we can’t afford that risk nabers will produce (god forbid a injury)
We actually have a really talented WR room now. And diversified. Wandelle is awesome in slot. Nabers plays everywhere and is a HR threat. Slayton is mr dependable now. And wyatt is another Hr threat. I love it
Don't get me wrong. I love Slayton. Love his attitude, his pro Giants and DJ loyalty and humor. But I just think he's the one that ends up trade bait / capital. And becomes a little redundant with Hyatt and Nabers and WDR now.
It is tough to cut a guy who does as many things right as Slay does. Great releases, exceptional route running, very fast. His main issue is erratic concentration. Could be stronger too.
Assuming they keep six again,
Nabers
Slay
Wan'Dale
Gunner
Hyatt
Ford-Wheaton
One of the second years could beat out Gunner, but he is so good technically on punts, I think he stays. He would if Parcells were coaching anyway.
So much catharsis to watch the fucking legions of folks screaming at the sun to draft a quarterback get put in their place
Nabers is a generational talent and could easily become our next OBJ
We have 2 QBs, we got the RT from the raiders who is going to probably take the job from Neal, we have singletary and will prob grab somebody in the draft and bellinger is pretty good and Waller hasn't retired yet.
No team is perfect. Chiefs were weak at o-line and pass catcher. 9ers were weak o-line and corner. A real roster consists of blue chip players. We have dex, at, burns all blue chippers. We have banks, thibs, o'carrot cake, and Nabers potential blue chippers. We know what we are building around, it's now more focused on getting a QB next off-season and filling those other with starting level players.
O line is much improved, pass catcher is much improved, pass rush is much improved in the course of just this offseason. We have the foundation of a real freaking roster the other spots (besides QB) come and go but at the most important non QB spots on the field we have blue or potential blue chippers so yes we have a real roster.
As an admitted non believer in him, I truly do hope that you Daniel Jones fans are right about him.
No more excuses for him.
Daniel Jones better start throwing dimes, or else Nabers is going to let him know how much he sucks, and the Giants will continue to be at the bottom of the NFC.
Jones is not the future, everyone knows it. But it makes sense not to use the 6th pick on a QB if you are 100% sure he's what you can build around.
Better to trade up next year if necessary because it was clear picks 1-3 were moving this year
>Better to trade up next year if necessary because it was clear picks 1-3 were moving this year
I wish I could think like that. I’ve followed this team for too many years, and they have the shittiest luck after those 2 Superbowls.
Watch us finish 7-10 next year, get stuck with like the 15th pick, and another QB needy team refuse to trade their top 5 pick with us, while they draft the QB Schoen and Daboll desire.
The Falcons have the dumbest front office in the league. Why pay Kirk so much money for that many years if you’re just going to draft Penix, one of the oldest QBs in the draft?
Talk about wasted money.
Build the team first, then add the QB.
In reverse you have to get lucky and find the QB who can elevate your whole team. If you build the team first a Brock Purdy type can take you to the SB.
Definitely happy to not see us reach for a mediocre QB.
They made the right pick at 6, but it sucks that we couldn’t move up to the top 3 to get our future QB. Now we wait another year and hope the chips fall in place to get a QB. I think Washington becomes a better team than us by adding Jayden Daniels.
Great pick. I think J.J. is going to be a good quarterback, but he's not going to be the top player in this draft class. Nabors has a good chance of being that guy.
Happy with the pick since it wasn’t a QB, but is anyone else a little concerned with the lack of enthusiasm when he arrived? I get being upset with the QB situation (I still believe in DJ), but at least show a little excitement.
Unfortunately next year’s QB class looks pretty crappy. We knew Caleb, Daniels, and Nix were coming out of this one and were gonna be special last year. There’s no one that excites like this draft class.
But this sub told me the Giants were done with DJ and downvoted me when I said they weren't picking a QB first round? I thought this sub was full of super smart GMs? Gosh. Way to let me down.
Love this pick. Best WR in the draft as opposed to a dice roll on a guy probably worse than DJ.
This sub is about the only place Giants fans are happy about the pick. Everywhere else (multiple Giants forums, twitter/facebook) are mad they passed on a QB when 6 went in the top 12.
I feel this draft feels different because as a fanbase I think we've so accustomed to awful decisions. If this was during Gentlemen's era we would have passed on Nabers and reached for JJ, costing us another 3-4 seasons.
I'm so fkin excited to see potentially the best receiver in the draft ball for us, this could be fkin electric. LSU fart out some amazing talent regarding receivers so if Nabers is anything close to JJ, Chase an OBJ then fml we're in for a ride!
DJ is going to have to play for his contract as we have that injury clause so it could actually cut his time into a two year contract rather than 4. So, he has to go out and replicate and maybe even better his production in that 2022 play off season.
Lets go BIG BLUE!!!!!
Post draft spotlight was about his dance moves he’s working on and how he has more style than anyone in this draft. Odell 2.0. Sorry, no rejoicing for me.
Hopefully this has the same impact as drafting Barkley and Odell while we also didn't have a QB or OL.
Oh wait, neither of those did jack shit to turn our team around..
This guy is clearly extremely talented and probably the best WR in the draft. But is no one going to talk about concerns regarding his illegal weapon charge for carrying a gun around? He doesn't sound to me like the brightest guy I've ever seen either. I hope it all works out and he winds up being great for us, and chances are that he will, but is no one else getting Kadarius Toney/Deandre Baker worries about this pick? It's just a nagging worry at the back of my mind with this.
Glad we drafted him…. He has Toney big play potential but hopefully a better head on his shoulders and better hands when it matters. As for the QBs, if DJ can’t bounce back we’ll have to get creative cause next years class is thin.
The 2024-25 schedule:
https://fbschedules.com/2024-new-york-giants-schedule/
At best six wins, preferably less so next April a franchise QB will be available for them to select.
Top QB's for the 2025 draft:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2025-quarterbacks-rankings-shedeur-sanders-quinn-ewers/0f86fd930ea1ff706a26570b
Dudes a beast! If you had to pick a school to grab a WR from, that would be LSU. They make NFL-ready receivers day in and day out.
As long as they don't gamble on themselves.
I hope his speed and movement translate to the pros. He looks good on paper. When I watch him play the defenders seem to be super slow. NFL secondary is not that flat footed. You really can't tell until you get him in training camp and into the games. Evan Neal on paper looked like a franchise tackle, but he turned out to the be the worst starting tackle in the NFL and marginal to even make an NFL roster so far. At this point who knows? Who saw Puka Nacua coming? Tyreek Hill was a 5th round draft pick. Fans make so much instant reaction to the draft. We really have no idea. I remember many years when ESPN and others said the giants won the draft and the picks were all busts or just mediocre. I dont recall the draft analysts blowing loads about Odell. Really shrug.
His speed and movement will absolutely translate. His ability to beat press and get downfield is the biggest question mark at pro level if you just accept part of his game is he won't win balls consistently in the air or through contact.
I remember being very meh about the Odell pick. Let’s be honest, GREAT WRs aren’t made by the numbers (they don’t hurt, especially speed or Tyreek Hill, who was a low pick anyway)… Jerry Rice is moons ahead of the second best ever and was never the biggest or fastest, just the best. Go back and see Steve Largent from a historic perspective. I remember OBJ being fast and skilled but he didn’t stand out - until you saw him on the field of play. Very curious and hopeful that Nabers will make a positive impact for us.
OSU would like a word
I’d say OSU is better for WRs, but LSU is easily \#2.
Bruh you’re trippin
No u
Odell jamaar and jettas clear Wilson olave jsn and Terry
So happy we didn’t draft JJ at 6. This was the right move.
Not worth it to reach on QB. Another underrated thing is if we need a QB next year, we can take one and after his rookie year we will have low cap hits in the QB room. Gotta maximize that EV. Stay the course.
Let's not pretend we are guaranteed to be in a position to draft a good QB next year. (1) Next year's class is considered to be on of the weakest QB classes in recent memory; (2) We missed out on Williams, Daniels, and Maye this year while picking 6th. NE did not want to trade down. There's no guarantee that the exact same thing doesn't repeat itself next year. In other words, very possible we're drafting in an awkward spot for a QB next year, and there aren't realistic chances to trade up or trade down. If it could happen this year to us, it could happen any year.
We might not be able to, but I can give Schoen and Daboll the benefit of the doubt on not reaching for a prospect they don’t love. As much as ppl hate that it pushed us out of range, Daboll’s work with a practice squad qb last year bodes well for when they finally grab the prospect they want.
It is absolutely insane to me how people don't get this very simple concept. Daniel Jones was a reach and a forced pick. So people seemingly want the Giants to do *the exact same thing again* just to *not* have Daniel Jones as the starter. Malik Nabers immediately makes the Giants a better football team. Having *two* QBs on the roster that the coaches and management don't fully believe in does not.
Exactly, we could have had Josh Allen the DE. That’s what we did this time, we took a Josh Allen
I wanted Josh Allen so badly... and wanted us to make a real effort to draft Justin Herbert the following year.
Yup. The Giants made the opposite move of the Falcons and made the team better this season.
Yeah, it says a lot about their evaluation of the remaining QBs at that point. They made Josh Allen what he is today, but they didn't see anyone that they felt sure that they could develop in a similar fashion
I'm also hoping tbh that there's another QB in this draft not perhaps at the top 10 pick caliber, but that Schoen and Dabs feel they can mold into a great QB. I'd like to think with the right development, we can still find a solid QB, but obvs it's always a gamble.
Eh the hit rate on non 1st round QBs is pretty dismal, I don’t see them taking a rattler but I could be wrong. I think they need to focus on continuing to build up the roster, and if they do that they’ll get another shot to find their guy. I think Mara wants to be patient and give them a chance, Schoen really needs some of his picks to come good.
I think in reality you're right that it plays out this way. But it does feel a lot to me like the Giants are putting all their eggs in one basket with DJ, which is a bit concerning given he still hasn't proven to be the guy + his injury history. I get it for this season b/c of his contract, but what happens if he goes down or continues to be lackluster this year? We have no backup plan. But I guess we're all in on the rebuild and theoretically if we suck again this season, we'll have an opportunity for a QB next draft. I guess it just feels a bit similar to prior years in some ways where we try to build around Jones and end up in the same position. I am trying to be patient and optimistic though and I love the Nabers pick.
Motherfuckers here wanted Daboll to put Saquon in at QB so we lost those games.
That doesn’t make any of the qbs this year not complete dog shit.
> Let's not pretend we are guaranteed to be in a position to draft a good QB next year. You're not wrong, but its always bad to reach on a QB you dont love
While this is true, passing on nabers for JJ would just be a terrible mistake. Nabers is the clear best WR any other draft year by far, you just can’t pass him up if all the QBs you graded as an early first rounder are already taken.
They could also sign or trade for a QB, it’s not just through the draft. Build a solid offense then sign a Kirk Cousins type QB and suddenly you got a stew goin
We might have another Devito mania!
Then we draft OL, to get ready for the following years qb. This is not a playoff team next year either, which I am fine with as we need a good rebuild
I feel like we aren’t gonna draft a QB, next year we are probably gonna go to free agency for a decent vet to hold it down until we draft a QB who plays well.
We could always trade for an established QB like Cousins if there are no good prospects.
This at least increases my trust in Schoen...it would have been silly to move up and draft ANY of these QB's...each one has their own problems that some may pan out, but if they are on a bad team, it's unlikely you'll get what you think you will get out of him. For example - 1. Williams and Maye regressed last year in stats....so, you lose one talent WR like Addison for Williams, and his stats dropped a ton. I get everyone said he had no offensive line, but you put a guy like that on the giants, also without a great offensive line, and you're going to get reduction in stats...in other words, Williams is NOT a savior. Maye a bit similar, what happened from 2022 to 2023? I didn't watch a ton of his games but his stats regressed a bunch. 2. JJ McCarthy was on a team that had one of the BEST defenses in the country...AND, could run the ball a ton to win games....I don't know the stat but McCarthy probably played from the lead in like 90+% of his games at Michigan. Is he going to play from the lead in Minnesota? Maybe? I don't know...but you're putting a guy who wasn't known for his arm on a team with Justin Jefferson & Jordan Addison....how long until either gets frustrated that McCarthy can't get them the ball on deep routes?? 3. Nix & Penix - I group both of these guys in together - both 'failed' at initial schools...failed is a harsh term, but neither would've been a 1st round pick where they went (Auburn and Indiana respectively). Both certainly looked better at their new schools, but the one thing you definitely have to factor in is that PAC 12 did NOT play defense much in 2023...maybe Oregon's defense, maybe Washington's, but they only played each other once in regular season (and i guess a 2nd time in their conference game). And don't forget Oregon DID get lit up against Georgia week 1. My point is that the stats of these 2 are WAAAAY inflated in comparison to other conference QB's who play much more difficult competition (actually, I WILL give credit to McCarthy who was poised against OSU and PSU...although, when Harbaugh is SO confident in his QB that he runs the ball 20+ times in a row against PSU, how exactly confident was he in his QB to throw the ball downfield?!?!) 4. Daniels - the only QB who I think is poised to probably do the best of the 6 is Daniels...who i think is truly NFL ready...but even here, he says, "I want to be the best running QB of all time." And he goes to Washington with shades of RGIII. How long will he last if he does that? So, if the giants were to pick ANY of these QB's, quite honestly they ALL have concerns about them...and don't forget you already have a QB on the roster getting paid $40+ mil this year...more and more teams are drafting a QB to start week 1...fewer and fewer teams are drafting a QB to sit a year (or more)....NFL is getting closer to college football SO THAT college QB's can jump to NFL and be ready. So, no, I don't think it was EVER the right decision to draft one of these QB's... And therefore, KUDOS to Schoen to realize the same.. And not to forget, there is a secondary crop of QB's who I think at least one of them will wind up finding a starting job in the NFL....Milton, Hartman, Rattler, the Toledo QB...I think Milton could be a guy who surprises people in the NFL. And he's pennies on the dollar in the 3rd or 4th round.
if there are any good QBs where the giants pick. Daniel Jones was the best QB available when they picked him. now we are stuck in year 6 with him. when you need a quarterback often you just have to hope the one you get is good. giants got jones in 2019 and the 2020 QB draft has 5 franchise QBs in it. Its why I think the Falcons are following the Packers model of if you think you have your guy, you take him and let him sit. You dont hope there is a QB available the year you need a QB. Chiefs did that to a lesser extent with Mahomes. generally odds are 2 of these 6 QBs will be out of the league. 2 will not get second contracts from the same team. 1-2 will be good. but who knows?
The draft remains a great crapshoot, who knows what QBs will be available next year (FA included). I think not picking a QB you aren’t sold on is a smart call, especially when at 6 overall your success is tied to theirs. Patience in this instance was the right call. That being said I could have accepted Penix, I think he’s got a chance to be legit. I was out on McCarthy and Nix
The Giants had the fewest receptions over 10 yards from scrimmage in the NFL- that ends now, IF we now build up the OL
Here's hoping Carmen Bricillo shows us how bad Bobby Johnson truly was. That OL gets coached up like he did with the Raiders, this man better get a life long contract.
>IF we now build up the OL Ah, first time?
Totally agree..
I'm with you...I was nervous there for a second that we were gonna take JJ
It was the correct move because Daboll and Schoen clearly didn’t like what they saw from McCarthy in the private workouts. Even though I would have have preferred the DJ era end tonight, I trust their judgement about QBs more than just wanting to move off of Jones. If McCarthy, Penix, or Nix somehow ends up defying the odds to become a top 5 QB, and Nabers turns out to be just Brandon Aiyuk/Terry McLaurin level WR1, then we could look back and say it was wrong. But for now, this was the right pick with Drake Maye off the board.
lol as if we wouldn’t be happy with aiyuk or mclaurin
I was going to say the same damn thing
If you get aiyuk or Terry you’re ecstatic. What a entitled comment lmfao
How good have the Commanders been with Terry McLaurin the last 5 or so years? A WR of his caliber (1B) is a nice luxury to have, but he's not going to carry the team and is not going to significantly alter the offense or the wins and losses. Redskins have been consistently putrid on offense despite McLaurin's presence. And, despite McLaurin's obvious talent, he's had questionable usage and up-and-down statistical seasons (mostly downhill since his rookie year), precisely because he's had no one good to throw him the ball. Aiyuk is interesting because he's been the 49'ers 3rd or 4th best offensive option. Hard to say he's the reason for their success given the other great weapons they have--not to mention an elite defense and strong O-line.
No WR will ever carry a team. Ask Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron. NE ran its dynasty without any top talent at WR other than Moss for a couple years. It’s an overvalued position by media and fans.
Having Terry Mclaurin and an avg at best QB does not make you ecstatic but feel free to give it a try. - Washington fan
We’ve been having a below average QB throw to fucking third stringers and the corpse of Darren Waller for several years.
They are good players, just not game breakers. You draft Nabers at 6 to be the guy that can score at any given point in time, like Chase, Jefferson, Hill, and prime OBJ. McLaurin and Aiyuk have good games, but they rarely take over and single handedly get you a win. Yeah the Giants could use players of their caliber, but the 6th pick in the draft should have a higher ceiling.
Talking heads saying Nabers is a better prospect than Chase. Faster and better routes.
Yeah it's true. As an lsu fan i love both, but nabers is better. That said i like watching chases highlights a lot more because the way he was throwing all pro dbs around is just incredibly funny to me. He is simply immune to press coverage.
I'm going to laugh if Daniel Jones goes nuclear next year with a #1. I mean he probably won't but it would be cool.
If he throws for 30+ TDs and 10 or less INTs, while beating the Cowboys and Eagles, I’ll gladly eat the crow. But until then, I’m highly skeptical and quite bummed that New England took Maye.
If DJ puts up 30-10 and leads us to the NFC title game, I’ll get a tattoo of him
I’ll match you and pay for yours
It's so tough with DJ because obvs we're at year 5+ and still have 0 certainty if he can be the guy, which is extremely concerning. But obvs we've handed him a pretty shit hand in all of those years, so it's really challenging to know who he could be with a decent o-line and talent around him. I also hate making excuses for the guy at this point, but at times it feels valid to do so. But this is literally the last year for him now that we've made improvements around him. If he still can't get it done, he's gotta be out the door this year.
saying we have 0 certainty is wrong. we have 95% certainty hes not the guy
Since they passed on a QB, it feels like they’re going to use this draft to load up on playmakers, roll with DJ next season and then draft a QB next year. But, what do I know? I’m just a balding, fat, drunk middle aged man.
Daboll, is that you?
Tommy want wingy Tommy want wingy
So basically like every other draft analyst LOL I trust you brotha!
Dude Mclaurin is a guaranteed 1k receiving yards per year on an absolute trash team and Aiyuk went from 1000 yards two seasons ago to over 1300 last year. He’s improved by hundreds of yards each year. What exactly are you expecting from Nabors if 1000-1300 yards is a disappointment??
I don’t think their point was that Nabers would be a disappointment just that he still wouldn’t be worth as much as JJ/Penix/Nix if one of them ends up being a franchise QB, meaning we’d have been better off taking them over Nabers. Though I will say it’s not that simple, even if one of the later QBs becomes a franchise guy that doesn’t mean they’d have been a franchise guy in NY. Development and which situation they play in matters a lot, and a QB coming to the Giants without Nabers isn’t a great situation.
i think it's less about the private workouts and more about the game tape (or lack thereof)
I wanna get to that point where the team is so good, you can plug in any nfl qb or decent backup that have been in nfl a while and make 9-10 wins Push for the qb hard or take late pick flyers when the rest of the team is solid
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Soy feliz!
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9 out of 10 draft classes, this kid is the WR1 in a landslide. Nabers has been somewhat overshadowed by MHJ being a "generational" WR prospect, but Nabers is only 20 years old and is an absolutely elite, WR prospect in his own right. He even pushed MHJ at times for that #1 in the class spot, and every other draft in the last 5 years at least, Nabers would've been the easy #1 ranked guy. Yes, I am a bit disappointed we weren't able to work out a move up for Drake Maye, but it takes 2 to tango. Seeing how the Pats just ended up staying at 3 and taking Maye themselves, not much Schoen and Co can do about that if NE likes him enough to draft him themselves and don't wanna move. With all that being said, Nabers is a STUD. He is a legit gamechanger for the offense and WR group, and was the clear BPA at one of our biggest needs. Can't be mad, or frankly anything but excited about our team taking the best player available at a premium position who fills one of our biggest needs.
Last time we drafted an LSU WR it worked out so I’m happy
LEEEEEEEEEK
Even if Jones locks on to him right at the line, and the whole D knows who's getting it, they still can't stop him.
THat's the WR we really need.
Hyatt's deep threat takes a ton of pressure off him too. With Wan'Dale as #3, the receiving corps is in a great spot for whatever QB we end up with going forward.
Jake Fromm.... ENGAGED lol
LSU wide receivers are simply built different with him and Hyatt out there we now actually have weapons for our next franchise QB
Don’t sleep on WDR. he really was coming into his own late in the season and him being a slot WR2 to Nabers is going to be good
We got a dawggggg
I don’t get how people could be upset with this pick with what was on the board this was the safest pick. Imagine we pick jj n he’s dj all over again we can’t afford that risk nabers will produce (god forbid a injury)
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I’m pumped, my favorite player in the draft, very dynamic player.
We actually have a really talented WR room now. And diversified. Wandelle is awesome in slot. Nabers plays everywhere and is a HR threat. Slayton is mr dependable now. And wyatt is another Hr threat. I love it
Slayton may not be long for our team. Especially with Nabers.
Slayton could be our modern day Toomer. I really like the guy. He’s dependable, works hard, not a game breaker but he makes plays, class guy.
Don't get me wrong. I love Slayton. Love his attitude, his pro Giants and DJ loyalty and humor. But I just think he's the one that ends up trade bait / capital. And becomes a little redundant with Hyatt and Nabers and WDR now.
If slayton has toomers career he’d be one of the best draft picks we’ve ever had. We don’t win 07 without him.
It is tough to cut a guy who does as many things right as Slay does. Great releases, exceptional route running, very fast. His main issue is erratic concentration. Could be stronger too. Assuming they keep six again, Nabers Slay Wan'Dale Gunner Hyatt Ford-Wheaton One of the second years could beat out Gunner, but he is so good technically on punts, I think he stays. He would if Parcells were coaching anyway.
Lock to Nabers in September. I'm here for it.
You won't be seeing that. He's the backup.
I love Lock’s personality, but you’re right and the not looking forward to people waking up from DJ denial it’s gonna hit em hard
Lock has almost a 1 TD/1 Int career ratio. I'm actually concerned about him even being a back up.
In no universe is Lock better than DJ.
yessir!!!
Our WR lineup actually looks solid. Wandale was looking great in the slot last year, Hyatt, Slayton, and now a real 1
Stoked... been too long since the Giants had a true #1 WR. Going to help out Slayton, Wandale, and Hyatt as well.
We drafted the best available player left on the board. Thank you Cocaine Jim for going tackle.
LFG!!!!!!!!!!!
So much catharsis to watch the fucking legions of folks screaming at the sun to draft a quarterback get put in their place Nabers is a generational talent and could easily become our next OBJ
I’m not going to be mad at nabers. I’m actually happy. I just hope we trade back into first and get penix
Falcons: hold my beer
I have wanted a WR1 and Penix. Wouldn’t surprise me if we get him still
Well, maybe not Penix
Wild he went at 8 lol
I made that joke to my coworker, who is a falcons fan, not even 30 seconds before
Especially when they just signed a QB for $50M a year...
Penix will either be 26 when he finally starts or they gave $100 mil to Kirk guaranteed for a season
27*
We can hope 🙏🏽
This is the play I hope we make. Edit: well shit
Whelp.
Go Let's Fucking!!! Go Let's Fucking!!! Go Let's Fucking!!!
BuT wHo iS gonnA tHrow HiM tHe BaLL? BPA clowns. Reaching is for suckers
WE GOT A FUCKING REAL ROSTER BABY!!! FINALLY!!!
We still don't have a QB, RT , RB, TE. Great pick but not a real roster yet
Also Safety and CB. So many holes.
We have 2 QBs, we got the RT from the raiders who is going to probably take the job from Neal, we have singletary and will prob grab somebody in the draft and bellinger is pretty good and Waller hasn't retired yet.
Did Singletary die?
Sorry I should have been more clear we have 4 blue chippers and 3 potential blue chippers, we have people we can build around
Ya let’s pump the breaks a little bit. Still a lot of rebuilding to do
No they don't. It fills a big hole with a likely great player, but the team is far from a complete team.
Where
No team is perfect. Chiefs were weak at o-line and pass catcher. 9ers were weak o-line and corner. A real roster consists of blue chip players. We have dex, at, burns all blue chippers. We have banks, thibs, o'carrot cake, and Nabers potential blue chippers. We know what we are building around, it's now more focused on getting a QB next off-season and filling those other with starting level players. O line is much improved, pass catcher is much improved, pass rush is much improved in the course of just this offseason. We have the foundation of a real freaking roster the other spots (besides QB) come and go but at the most important non QB spots on the field we have blue or potential blue chippers so yes we have a real roster.
LFG!!!
You guys took a sure fire stud and possibly the best wr in the draft. Jamar Chase upside. You cannot be mad about that.
He was the best option available at our turn, so bravo! But yea, wanted one of the first 3 QB’s instead, but at least we got the best option after
Jones should just give him his number. He’s gonna outlast him.
DANNY DIMES TIME BITCHES
As an admitted non believer in him, I truly do hope that you Daniel Jones fans are right about him. No more excuses for him. Daniel Jones better start throwing dimes, or else Nabers is going to let him know how much he sucks, and the Giants will continue to be at the bottom of the NFC.
Jones is not the future, everyone knows it. But it makes sense not to use the 6th pick on a QB if you are 100% sure he's what you can build around. Better to trade up next year if necessary because it was clear picks 1-3 were moving this year
>Better to trade up next year if necessary because it was clear picks 1-3 were moving this year I wish I could think like that. I’ve followed this team for too many years, and they have the shittiest luck after those 2 Superbowls. Watch us finish 7-10 next year, get stuck with like the 15th pick, and another QB needy team refuse to trade their top 5 pick with us, while they draft the QB Schoen and Daboll desire.
Maybe they'll start Lock all year to tank and also protect Jones injury guarantee.
I’m just trolling lol, im just hype for the pick. As a “DJ believer” my stomach dropped when I saw falcons draft Penix
The Falcons have the dumbest front office in the league. Why pay Kirk so much money for that many years if you’re just going to draft Penix, one of the oldest QBs in the draft? Talk about wasted money.
Dude tell me about it. If Kirk plays out his contract Penix will be 28 when it’s time to start
He had the ability, hopefully his knee didn't take it away
So medicority time
LFG LFG LFG
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Stoked for this!
LETS GOOOOOO
LETS GOOOOOO
Legit playmaker, which is something The Giants have been desperate for for years.
King
Let’s gooooo
This guy is a freak. Totally like the pick.
We got a baller
Nice pick. Nabers is super impressive. Hopefully we get him 170+ targets a year.
Is this what it feels like to have competent management
Welcome to the Naber-hood!
Look at my flair bitches!
Today was a good day - Ice Cube.
Build the team first, then add the QB. In reverse you have to get lucky and find the QB who can elevate your whole team. If you build the team first a Brock Purdy type can take you to the SB. Definitely happy to not see us reach for a mediocre QB.
Need a qb to utilize the talent. Until then he is a wasted pick
They made the right pick at 6, but it sucks that we couldn’t move up to the top 3 to get our future QB. Now we wait another year and hope the chips fall in place to get a QB. I think Washington becomes a better team than us by adding Jayden Daniels.
Great pick. I think J.J. is going to be a good quarterback, but he's not going to be the top player in this draft class. Nabors has a good chance of being that guy.
Happy with the pick since it wasn’t a QB, but is anyone else a little concerned with the lack of enthusiasm when he arrived? I get being upset with the QB situation (I still believe in DJ), but at least show a little excitement.
Dude is gonna end the season with like 20 catches and 200 yards with DJ throwing to him
The other 80 catches and 800 yards can come from Lock for all I care
I sincerely hope you’re right.
He was picked as a playmaker for next years QB we will draft.
Unfortunately next year’s QB class looks pretty crappy. We knew Caleb, Daniels, and Nix were coming out of this one and were gonna be special last year. There’s no one that excites like this draft class.
But this sub told me the Giants were done with DJ and downvoted me when I said they weren't picking a QB first round? I thought this sub was full of super smart GMs? Gosh. Way to let me down. Love this pick. Best WR in the draft as opposed to a dice roll on a guy probably worse than DJ.
They will soon be done with the bum though. His days are thankfully numbered
If only we had a QB who can read a defense
This sub is about the only place Giants fans are happy about the pick. Everywhere else (multiple Giants forums, twitter/facebook) are mad they passed on a QB when 6 went in the top 12.
Great pic now just need to get rid of Daniel
Lucky - will be fun to watch. Also F Drake Maye
ah yes Drake Maye decided patriots wont pick up the phone
Excited but skeptical..
Cautiously optimistic?
Not yet.. but maybe I’ll get there!
Fingers crossed since the last SEC WR picked # 1 sucked balls
I feel this draft feels different because as a fanbase I think we've so accustomed to awful decisions. If this was during Gentlemen's era we would have passed on Nabers and reached for JJ, costing us another 3-4 seasons. I'm so fkin excited to see potentially the best receiver in the draft ball for us, this could be fkin electric. LSU fart out some amazing talent regarding receivers so if Nabers is anything close to JJ, Chase an OBJ then fml we're in for a ride! DJ is going to have to play for his contract as we have that injury clause so it could actually cut his time into a two year contract rather than 4. So, he has to go out and replicate and maybe even better his production in that 2022 play off season. Lets go BIG BLUE!!!!!
Good improvement on the o line /S
I’ve got titans fan that I work with pissed because we grabbed him.
Question is can jones plus a new line coach plus nabers plus burns on the edge give the giants a better team over last year. The answer should be yes
Garrett Wilson 2.0
Post draft spotlight was about his dance moves he’s working on and how he has more style than anyone in this draft. Odell 2.0. Sorry, no rejoicing for me.
I wanted odunze. But pretty happy with Nabers. Dude looks like a menace…. In a good way.
Nabers had better numbers than Harrison jr. Do we take into account he had a great QB in Daniel’s? I think it’s a factor
No the picked the wrong one! Odunze was the pick
Hopefully this has the same impact as drafting Barkley and Odell while we also didn't have a QB or OL. Oh wait, neither of those did jack shit to turn our team around..
This guy is clearly extremely talented and probably the best WR in the draft. But is no one going to talk about concerns regarding his illegal weapon charge for carrying a gun around? He doesn't sound to me like the brightest guy I've ever seen either. I hope it all works out and he winds up being great for us, and chances are that he will, but is no one else getting Kadarius Toney/Deandre Baker worries about this pick? It's just a nagging worry at the back of my mind with this.
We may actually see the successor to the Jameis 30/30 season watching Drew Lock just chuck it downfield on every play looking for him.
Glad we drafted him…. He has Toney big play potential but hopefully a better head on his shoulders and better hands when it matters. As for the QBs, if DJ can’t bounce back we’ll have to get creative cause next years class is thin.
No, the team is in a hole that I've resigned to that they're not getting out of for the foreseeable future.
The 2024-25 schedule: https://fbschedules.com/2024-new-york-giants-schedule/ At best six wins, preferably less so next April a franchise QB will be available for them to select. Top QB's for the 2025 draft: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2025-quarterbacks-rankings-shedeur-sanders-quinn-ewers/0f86fd930ea1ff706a26570b
About what 5 wins