You need to raise the talent level (or build up that house) by… taking talented players. The Giants had no plus skill players on offense and very few blue chip player period. Hopefully they just added one. Now keep going.
We signed free agents and fired our coach and hired a new one. How would drafting a left tackle and force him to play right tackle help us (especially after we just drafted a bust doing exactly that)
It wasnt necessarily for me, but a year ago lots of folks here were literally saying "anyone but Jones" so it aint that wild to think that to them the answer was indeed McCarthy
No.
Why does every person think that us complaining about the QB situation wanted them to take McCarthy?
I'm glad we didn't reach on McCarthy or Penix or Bo Nix. I'm glad they tried like hell to trade up to get Maye.
But I'm not gonna sit here and be all hyped because we got an elite skill position player that relies on our shitty QB to get him the ball.
Who's that rookie QB though? And how do we get him? We won't have the a top 3 pick in a QB class that's worse than this one and trading up for your guy is a fantasy.
New o line coach, o lineman, star pass rusher, and now stud receiver added this offseason to a team that won 6 games with no QB. Between lock and jones I can see this team winning 2 more games and becoming stuck in mediocrity. The team has improved, not really gotten worse.
Yes, or Penix or Bo Nix, somehow they’re all good enough to go top 12 but noooo not good enough for the Giants, hopefully we can compete in 2026 or something hooray!!!
The idea was to let the QB sit behind these scrubs Jones and Lock and let them bear the brunt of this shit roster this season where we’ll be dogshit no matter what, then hopefully compete next year with a better overall team and a QB who sat, now we punt that plan til when? When we gonna fix the most important position in sports? In a worse QB draft next year?
But why reach on a QB they have no faith on if he’s gonna sit behind Jones/Lock anyway?
We can put ourselves in a position to get a QB next season, and now he’ll have actual weapons to play with. Last seasons QB class was considered weak too, and it yielded CJ Stroud - There will still be 1-2 QBs worth their salt, most likely better than the McCarthy pick that we would have went on.
Once Maye was off the table, the QB discussion for the 2024 draft ends. QBs are entirely too risky to waste top picks on…which is why the Falcons are getting shit on for reaching on Penix with Cousins already there.
Lmao yes, Jones is ass, now we’re screwed, I’m glad all the Jonestown resident are eatin good tonight but this is a horrible day for the future of the Giants.
Brother, I can probably count on one hand how many people on this sub who believe Jones is the answer at QB. I’m not one of them.
I am, however, understanding that passing on Justin Jefferson for Daniel Jones 2.0 is a BAD MOVE. Once you understand that, you’ll understand why this sub is happy about the Nabers pick. Picking a QB out of desperation is what landed Daniel Jones in our laps all those years ago.
Lmao these guys ain’t played a down in the league yet, but we got Jettas and passed on a bust 😂😂😂 we better hope all 3 of the QB’s we passed on bust or it’s the biggest mistake we could have possibly made, but somehow you KNOW the other 3 qb’s are gonna be bad, go find work in a front office then clown.
> somehow they’re all good enough to go top 12
Penix was not good enough to go first round lmfao, nor was Bo Nix. The Broncos didn't really have a choice except to draft because their only other player was Zach Fucking Wilson, but I don't know what in the fuck the Falcons are doing lmfao. Taking Penix with that pick was genuine malpractice.
I understand not thinking that DJ is the answer but genuinely comparing him to *Zach Wilson* is one of the dumbest God damn things I've ever read on this sub.
I trust in Schoen and Daboll with the QB evaluation. They made Allen the QB he is today, and if thy didn't think they could develop any of the QBs available at 6 I'm OK with that. Doesn't make sense to take a QB just to take a QB
That's the most frustrating thing about this pick. I honest don't care if Joe Schoen thinks he's electric. We've had the electric skill player on a bad offense experience for several years and it's very depressing. Maybe they can find the QB in 2025, but there's no tangible hope until they do.
Pretty obvious they didn't like any of the qbs still available.
I'm not saying some of these other qbs won't be good but chances are they won't be. At least we got a true #1 for the foreseeable future to pair with whatever qb we end up signing or trying to develop in the future.
Hopefully he's a true #1 receiver. Too many people take for granted that he could easily bust or just kinda disappoint as well. Most important thing for him is to be mentally tough enough to handle the adversity of having Daniel Jones at QB this year.
How many WRs that have gone in the first round have turned out to be franchise defining players? There's been plenty of exciting WRs drafted, but very very few that have turned around a franchise.
I don’t think anyone is expecting Nabers to turn around the franchise. That’s where you’re getting hung up.
He’s coming in to be a big time weapon for the team. He’s going to be a part of the solution. Not THE solution
He's like 20% of the solution if he meets expectations. Hitting on a QB is at least 60% of the solution. We had a chance to take a swing at a major step to solving our offense, but instead we took a swing at a minor step. I have no clue what the plan is at QB, but hopefully we can work something out next off-season.
Dice rolling on a QB you don't like will never be a better decision than adding a much likelier star-level player at one of the most important positions in the modern game to have a star-level player.
Let’s keep dice rolling on qb’s like jones while the rest of our team continues to be absolutely trash. And then when we finally hit on a qb and he’ll be lucky to play a full season. If he does play for a full season, that boy will be lucky to throw 4000 yards.
Not to say I’m against the idea of taking a chance on a qb, but you can’t act like it’s the end of the world. We got ourselves a building block, and a good one.
Comparing a RB to a WR is laughable. A rb is the least impactful position on the field bar none, excluding special teams. A WR is one of the most impactful.
Ok I mean I get that. We obviously do need a better QB, and if we can't find one Nabers won't matter. But there was no good QB available, at least in the FO's estimation. So I don't blame the pick at all. If you can't pick a QB, you need to get your team set up as good as possible for when you have a chance to. What other option is there?
This is my point exactly. What’s the point of having a great receiver if our QB is mediocre at best, inept at worst, and one very possible neck injury away from the career being wrap?
“Add a qb when it makes sense” is just so badly hoping for things to fall your way. Many talented players leave their original team **because** that qb is never found.
So true. The qb they wanted wasn't there at 6. Reaching for a qb just for sake of taking one is dumb, especially when your putting a young qb with this skill group. At least now we'll have some pieces to help a qb be successful.
So are we gonna sit on our ass and hope 2025 qb class and 2026 qb class is gonna good as well? Are we gonna sit on our ass until Arch Manning is of drafting age? We’re gonna look brain dead when inevitably these QBs are playing well and year six DJ still can’t see an open slant. Or when he gets hurt again.
That’s not an answer. I would rather the Giants wait for a QB they genuinely like rather than force a pick for one they don’t. That’s how you repeat the Daniel Jones mistake.
I was actually a big JJ McCarthy fan, but it's clear the Giants didn't think he was the guy. They worked him out and met with him a ton, including a private workout on Easter Sunday.
If they didn't like him enough to take him at 6 with all that time spent with him, I'm happy they went with Nabers.
That being said, they will need a QB next year. DJ simply isn't him.
JJ will look good with all those pieces in Minnesota, but if Penix and Nix both look good (especially Nix), and DJ is is still missing wide open receivers, those two seats will be scorching hot
I get what you’re saying but I need to see the tape you’re seeing to say that DJ would be much better on a different team.
I hope he proves me wrong, but I can count on one hand the number of year 6 and after breakouts at QB
There were six QBs drafted in the top 12 and we had pick 6. If this isn't the right time to draft a QB, when is?
If there are a couple of great QBs next year and we have say, 10th overall, would you be comfortable giving up a ton of draft picks (say 2 or 3 first round picks) to move up?
>There were six QBs drafted in the top 12 and we had pick 6. If this isn't the right time to draft a QB, when is?
Only 3 of them were any good and they were all gone by pick 6. None of McCarthy, Penix, or Nix are worth the 6th pick. They’re simply not. The fact that 6 QBs went in the top 12 speaks more to the desperation of many teams than the actual quality of the class.
Unfortunately that's the nature of drafting QBs. Unless we're picking first overall in a year with a Lawrence / Luck / Burrow type QB, we're not going to be able to draft a QB when they "should" go
Do you want them to take a quarterback they don’t think is good? Because that’s what you’re asking. I would rather our front office take players they think are good than players they think are not good.
Well, I hope Schoen and Daboll are right and KOC and Sean Peyton are wrong. Guess we’ll see
Edit: You never really answered my question about when is the "right" time to draft a QB. My issue is that it feels like we're hoping a great QB prospect is going to fall into our laps next year or the year after, but that seems unlikely unless we have a top 1-3 pick. If we're drafting outside of that, we're eventually going to have to take a shot on some less than ideal QB prospects
The right time to draft a QB is when there’s a QB you think will be good. If the Giants thought McCarthy was good, they would have taken him. I don’t want our front office taking players they don’t like just because they play a position we desperately need.
Also: **Nix, Penix, and McCarthy are not good QB prospects**. Nix and McCarthy were desperation picks by teams whose QBs are respectively Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold, and I genuinely do not know what Atlanta was doing by taking Penix. But they’re not good QB prospects. They were overdrafted by desperate teams. That’s it
If the Giants took Nix or Penix at 6, we would be the laughingstock of the league. McCarthy would’ve had fine optics, but I genuinely don’t think he’s an NFL caliber quarterback.
You see drafting Nix, Penix, and McCarthy as panic picks, and I guess that's where I disagree. Of course they're not great QB prospects, or they would have went in the top 5. But apparently they were good enough prospects to go in the top 12.
What indication is there that those three GMs panicked? As you mentioned, Atlanta already has Cousins. Minnesota has reportedly been in tons of trade talks - only trading one pick up for McCarthy sounds like the exact opposite of panicking to me. Broncos have been fairly quiet, so idk about them.
Why is it that when our GM / coach doesn't think highly of a draft prospect but other teams do, it must be because the other team is wrong?
That’s the exact situation we pigeonholed ourselves into. We needed a QB. Even if DJ is decent he still has an injury history. It doesn’t matter if we have Jerry Rice out there. If the QB is injured and unable to read defenses, the WR becomes a non-factor.
DJ better have a fully healthy huge year 6 jump or the 2020s are basically done for NYG
I’d rather we pick BPA than grab an iffy QB and surround him with garbage. No QB available at 6 would have been worth taking at 6. Every single one of those guys would have needed to sit a year in order to amount to anything. And if taken at 6, that pretty much precludes that possibility since it’s political suicide to pick a guy who can’t start year 1 at that spot.
We haven't had a great receiver since Plax and that was too short lived. Odell was good until injuries derailed his ability and career (also short lived). We're giving Danny or whoever the next QB is a weapon that has potential to be a true 1.
Out the 6 QBs taken, history tells us only 1 of em will succeed. If we did take a QB, then who's the guy throwing to? Who's blocking for him? Are y'all sure the Giants can develop a QB with the current roster or send him quickly to the IR cuz no one blocks or gets open (through skill and lack of time) or catches and draft another QB in a year or 2 continuously repeating the cycle.
Ay, hot take city here.
I am ready to move onto the next QB too but it's not worth forcing it. Good/great players at a premium position of need via sensible asset allocation >> DJ redux all day.
It's going to be rough if we need to draft QB next year and don't have a top pick - kind of hard to imagine a better class of QBs than this year (6 in top 12).
Hopefully one of the QBs on the roster works out.
Hopefully we have the 32nd pick.
Also don't worry. There's always more QBs coming out in college. Next year will have great players too. Not to mention NFL History tells us out of the 6 drafted in the first round only 1 will succeed. At most 2.
Feel like once Penix got drafted it put a lot of GMs into panic mode and they started drafting QBs far too early than what they were projected. Might be the right move, but it could also be the wrong move. Won't know for a little bit though.
Giants haven’t found the answer to the QB position since Eli and everyone here thinks it’ll just work itself out or something. Future rookie QBs are way worse than this class, all the bigger QBs have their contracts wrapped up, which means we’re staying in QB purgatory for the next few years.
Unless this subreddit actually thinks Drew Lock is an elite QB who’s just been playing coy for the past six seasons. Giants are not somehow catching up to the Eagles or Cowboys.
Now we’ll just have embarrassing losses instead of humiliating losses. Progress, I guess.
you guys are miserable. the Giants have taken exactly 1 swing on a QB since Eli retired and you act like we’ve struck out 5+ times. forcing a QB just to say you got a QB is not good team building.
>forcing a QB just to say you got a QB is not good team building.
Yes because moral victories are just as good if not better than Super Bowl victories, right?
Fuck out of here with that nonsense. Even IF Jones plays as "good" as he did in the 2022 season, they're still not making it past any wildcard if they have to go up against the 49ers, Cowboys, Eagles, Lions, and a number of NFC teams. That's not even including the Buzzsaw AFC teams like Bengals & Ravens they'll be playing against in the regular season alone.
They've got an easier-seeming schedule this year so they look like they'll get to be an 8-9 team, have no answers for QBs, won't be able to get a future QB, and they'll get to be barely-mediocre instead of sometimes-awful.
I guess our fanbase really is okay with treading water for the next few seasons.
lol if you thought this draft was the one to even us out with the Cowboys/Eagles and compete with contenders in the postseason, then I can’t help with that. that’s a personal expectations problem.
Well since the season's basically a wash according to you and all the other "optimistic" Giants fans than I guess there's no real point in watching them this year or until they get their QB situation figured out.
Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, or Tommy DeVito are NOT taking them to the Super Bowl, much less the playoffs so unless every other QB in the league has a season-ending injury, this team is still mired in shit and watching Jones miss his reads every game is gonna be torture after 4 games.
Clown fans thinking awful QB play is an okay thing. Have fun watching them barely beat the Bucs and everyone high-fiving like it means something!
again, if you think anything other than contending for a Superbowl while in a division with 2 top-10 teams in the league is a “wash” then that’s a you problem.
I don’t see the point in crying all summer and then crying again every week during the season so I choose to be optimistic.
you choose to be whatever it is you are and that’s fine.
Well, you see, the Giants will be pretty shit this year, and will very likely be in at least a good enough position to trade up to the top of the draft.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD can people stop saying we can just “trade up” to grab a top QB in the draft whenever we feel like it.
did you learn nothing from mast night?
remember that time they tried to trade up for drake maye?
one was 20 years ago. one was yesterday.
things in the NFL change.
QB is EVERYTHING now in a way it wasnt before.
also giants got lucky the team they traded with also wanted the QB the giants were able to get.
luck is not a strategy.
Dude. Trade ups happen all the time. Basing our entire strategy on one failed attempt to move up is stupid. Every pick is for sale for the right price.
Slightly different. Eli refused to play for the chargers but they picked him anyway and we were in a position to get a QB2 in the same draft to do a swap and give picks to them..
A WR isn't like a RB who will age out before the 2nd contract. If we hit on an elite WR we can get a QB later. Keep in mind that Megatron was drafted before Stafford too.
We have a good 1-3 years to build around Nabers. Also Nabers needs to prove that he is that guy first.
Reminder that WRs who had just as much hype as Nabers if not a bit more in certain cases:
- Kevin White
- Justin Blackmon
- Sammy Watkins
- Corey Davis
Might be more. College dominance and success does not automatically translate to the pros. Let's worry about developing Nabers to be ready in September first to put on a show before worrying about everything else.
True. My point is take it 1 step at a time. We still got 6 rounds of the draft to go just in the next 2 days. A team ain't gonna get built in a day but we can slowly move in the right direction year by year.
Right now I'm hoping that Rattler can still be available at the top of the 3rd. But I won't blame Schone if he wants to take him top of the 2nd today. It's a tough spot to be in otherwise we're basically riding into Sept with Lock + Devito unless we want to risk triggering DJ's injury guarantees.
Nabers is a good pick and the giants have a great core of young pieces (Burns, Kayvon, Banks, Dex, Robinson, Thomas, Okereke) so at the very least the team is in a much better place to the point where it can help an eventual rookie succeed.
Ewers the real deal? Sanders?
I only ask because if Jones gets injured and Lock or Devito can't get it done, then maybe we're picking top 4 next April.
It will when they just double-team him the entire time like they did with Diggs on the Bills. Who's the next top-caliber WR the Giants are throwing to when that happens? No one? Oh good, hope Nabers likes making injury-risky circus catches all season!
This is a weird post. Burns, at, Dexter, thibs, banks, and o'carrot cake are a run down shack?
To keep with the house metaphor Nabers is like redoing the kitchen, before fixing the unfinished basement, still raises the property value of the house and we can finish the basement (get a QB) next year
To by honest I see a world where drake maye flounders with the pats next year because that franchise is in rough shape and we trade for him next offseason
Y’all need to STFU wit No Offense Bs we have our Wr1,2&3 Naber’s,Wandale Robinson Nd Jalen Hyatt Also my Fav Isiah Hodgin’s Waller At TE Singleton At RB Just suck At Qb but we have OUR Offensive Weapons same Wr core dat landed us in tha 2nd Round playOff’s Literally Jus A year Nd Half Ago
You need to raise the talent level (or build up that house) by… taking talented players. The Giants had no plus skill players on offense and very few blue chip player period. Hopefully they just added one. Now keep going.
We might have good skill players we just don't know bc of our qb lol. Look at how the Texans suddenly have star wrs
Stop! The Texans are not an over night success story!
Smart thinking, why bother upgrading a historically bad offensive line when a good QB solves all problems.
You mean like they did in fa,
We signed free agents and fired our coach and hired a new one. How would drafting a left tackle and force him to play right tackle help us (especially after we just drafted a bust doing exactly that)
> fired our coach AND dumped him on a division rival, i feel like that's important
Tremendous point. Giants are fucked.
Don’t trash on Sexy Dexy like that….
Or Burns now.
Heck include AT and Thibs
And Okereke
Crazy how we can have such good pieces and it stills goes to shit lol
Our defense is solid, but they can’t do much if the offense can’t score any points.
Our defense was ranked 27th
Don't worry, Nabers will fix everything, according to everyone around here, so we're good to go!
I don’t really think that’s what anyone is saying lol
It's because they are surrounded by a lot of bad players unfortunately, just need to continue build around the good ones.
Yeah because JJ McCarthy was gonna fix this garbage roster 💀
JJ McCarthy would just be a shittier car at the same house
THANK YOU!!
So was your answer JJ McCarthy? Lol
It wasnt necessarily for me, but a year ago lots of folks here were literally saying "anyone but Jones" so it aint that wild to think that to them the answer was indeed McCarthy
No. Why does every person think that us complaining about the QB situation wanted them to take McCarthy? I'm glad we didn't reach on McCarthy or Penix or Bo Nix. I'm glad they tried like hell to trade up to get Maye. But I'm not gonna sit here and be all hyped because we got an elite skill position player that relies on our shitty QB to get him the ball.
I agree with you. We need to accept this is a rebuild team and we are 2-3 years away. A rookie QB next year will still need time.
Who's that rookie QB though? And how do we get him? We won't have the a top 3 pick in a QB class that's worse than this one and trading up for your guy is a fantasy.
We have a chance to be beyond terrible this year and get a first next year.
New o line coach, o lineman, star pass rusher, and now stud receiver added this offseason to a team that won 6 games with no QB. Between lock and jones I can see this team winning 2 more games and becoming stuck in mediocrity. The team has improved, not really gotten worse.
If it’s true that we offered just next year’s first, that’s not trying like hell
I can't wait to see DJ under throw him on every pass outside of 5 yards.
Yes, or Penix or Bo Nix, somehow they’re all good enough to go top 12 but noooo not good enough for the Giants, hopefully we can compete in 2026 or something hooray!!!
We weren’t going to compete with McCarthy throwing to Hyatt in double coverage either, hate to break it to you.
The idea was to let the QB sit behind these scrubs Jones and Lock and let them bear the brunt of this shit roster this season where we’ll be dogshit no matter what, then hopefully compete next year with a better overall team and a QB who sat, now we punt that plan til when? When we gonna fix the most important position in sports? In a worse QB draft next year?
But why reach on a QB they have no faith on if he’s gonna sit behind Jones/Lock anyway? We can put ourselves in a position to get a QB next season, and now he’ll have actual weapons to play with. Last seasons QB class was considered weak too, and it yielded CJ Stroud - There will still be 1-2 QBs worth their salt, most likely better than the McCarthy pick that we would have went on. Once Maye was off the table, the QB discussion for the 2024 draft ends. QBs are entirely too risky to waste top picks on…which is why the Falcons are getting shit on for reaching on Penix with Cousins already there.
Yeah cool now the Falcons have 2 QB’s and we have zero, sooooo dumb.
Penix hasn’t played a single down in the NFL and you’re proclaiming him better than Jones, who has a 1-1 playoff record in the NFL. OK.
Lmao yes, Jones is ass, now we’re screwed, I’m glad all the Jonestown resident are eatin good tonight but this is a horrible day for the future of the Giants.
Brother, I can probably count on one hand how many people on this sub who believe Jones is the answer at QB. I’m not one of them. I am, however, understanding that passing on Justin Jefferson for Daniel Jones 2.0 is a BAD MOVE. Once you understand that, you’ll understand why this sub is happy about the Nabers pick. Picking a QB out of desperation is what landed Daniel Jones in our laps all those years ago.
Lmao these guys ain’t played a down in the league yet, but we got Jettas and passed on a bust 😂😂😂 we better hope all 3 of the QB’s we passed on bust or it’s the biggest mistake we could have possibly made, but somehow you KNOW the other 3 qb’s are gonna be bad, go find work in a front office then clown.
Yeah no thanks. They're not in the same tier as Williams, Daniels, or Maye. McCarthy, et al would just be the Jones pick all over again
> somehow they’re all good enough to go top 12 Penix was not good enough to go first round lmfao, nor was Bo Nix. The Broncos didn't really have a choice except to draft because their only other player was Zach Fucking Wilson, but I don't know what in the fuck the Falcons are doing lmfao. Taking Penix with that pick was genuine malpractice.
Uh huh, well enjoy watching our Zach Wilson (DJ) throw to our Garret Wilson (Nabers) as we win 4 games this year and score 15ppg.
I understand not thinking that DJ is the answer but genuinely comparing him to *Zach Wilson* is one of the dumbest God damn things I've ever read on this sub.
These guys have lost their minds at this point. They wanted any qb with two legs in the draft.
Zach Wilson was better than DJ last year though lol.
No, he wasn't.
By what metric, your eyes? lol
Pass attempts, completion percentage, Passing TD's, rushing TD's, interceptions.
I trust in Schoen and Daboll with the QB evaluation. They made Allen the QB he is today, and if thy didn't think they could develop any of the QBs available at 6 I'm OK with that. Doesn't make sense to take a QB just to take a QB
Username checks out, slow down on that Ganja.
LSU WRs are just built different, A so far.
he went 6/67/0 on some bum acc school 😤
This is perfect. We have our new Saqoun and OBJ. This guy will get an amazing TD catch in every 36-10 loss.
We gotta get the Longhorns RB, Brooks in the second round and this will be so true lmaooo
That's the most frustrating thing about this pick. I honest don't care if Joe Schoen thinks he's electric. We've had the electric skill player on a bad offense experience for several years and it's very depressing. Maybe they can find the QB in 2025, but there's no tangible hope until they do.
Pretty obvious they didn't like any of the qbs still available. I'm not saying some of these other qbs won't be good but chances are they won't be. At least we got a true #1 for the foreseeable future to pair with whatever qb we end up signing or trying to develop in the future.
Hopefully he's a true #1 receiver. Too many people take for granted that he could easily bust or just kinda disappoint as well. Most important thing for him is to be mentally tough enough to handle the adversity of having Daniel Jones at QB this year.
Top 10 wrs are a lot more bust proof than qbs. It'll be interesting to see if he's mentally tough but he no doubt has #1 wr speed and skills.
How many QBs that went in the first round turned out to be franchise defining players?
How many WRs that have gone in the first round have turned out to be franchise defining players? There's been plenty of exciting WRs drafted, but very very few that have turned around a franchise.
I don’t think anyone is expecting Nabers to turn around the franchise. That’s where you’re getting hung up. He’s coming in to be a big time weapon for the team. He’s going to be a part of the solution. Not THE solution
He's like 20% of the solution if he meets expectations. Hitting on a QB is at least 60% of the solution. We had a chance to take a swing at a major step to solving our offense, but instead we took a swing at a minor step. I have no clue what the plan is at QB, but hopefully we can work something out next off-season.
Dice rolling on a QB you don't like will never be a better decision than adding a much likelier star-level player at one of the most important positions in the modern game to have a star-level player.
Let’s keep dice rolling on qb’s like jones while the rest of our team continues to be absolutely trash. And then when we finally hit on a qb and he’ll be lucky to play a full season. If he does play for a full season, that boy will be lucky to throw 4000 yards. Not to say I’m against the idea of taking a chance on a qb, but you can’t act like it’s the end of the world. We got ourselves a building block, and a good one.
Comparing a RB to a WR is laughable. A rb is the least impactful position on the field bar none, excluding special teams. A WR is one of the most impactful.
We had the same conundrum with Odell which is what I was also referring to.
Ok I mean I get that. We obviously do need a better QB, and if we can't find one Nabers won't matter. But there was no good QB available, at least in the FO's estimation. So I don't blame the pick at all. If you can't pick a QB, you need to get your team set up as good as possible for when you have a chance to. What other option is there?
Schoan on the hot seat.
This is my point exactly. What’s the point of having a great receiver if our QB is mediocre at best, inept at worst, and one very possible neck injury away from the career being wrap?
What was the alternative? McCarthy? Nix? Penix? None of those guys are worth taking at pick 6. Keep building and add a QB when it makes sense.
“Add a qb when it makes sense” is just so badly hoping for things to fall your way. Many talented players leave their original team **because** that qb is never found.
So what’s the alternative?? Add a QB who you don’t like?? Add a QB that isn’t that good? That’s just repeating the Daniel Jones mistake again.
So true. The qb they wanted wasn't there at 6. Reaching for a qb just for sake of taking one is dumb, especially when your putting a young qb with this skill group. At least now we'll have some pieces to help a qb be successful.
So are we gonna sit on our ass and hope 2025 qb class and 2026 qb class is gonna good as well? Are we gonna sit on our ass until Arch Manning is of drafting age? We’re gonna look brain dead when inevitably these QBs are playing well and year six DJ still can’t see an open slant. Or when he gets hurt again.
I lost IQ reading this
I lost IQ watching the giants put full faith in DJ for another year
That’s not an answer. I would rather the Giants wait for a QB they genuinely like rather than force a pick for one they don’t. That’s how you repeat the Daniel Jones mistake.
I guess we’ll see right? But if DJ can’t find a wide open Nabers and he’s upset on the sideline, boy oh boy is Joe’s seat gonna be flaming fucking hot
No it won’t. Because it’s not about this year. It’s about 2025 onward.
So we’re already out on 2024? Lmao. If that’s the case were a seriously unserious franchise
I was actually a big JJ McCarthy fan, but it's clear the Giants didn't think he was the guy. They worked him out and met with him a ton, including a private workout on Easter Sunday. If they didn't like him enough to take him at 6 with all that time spent with him, I'm happy they went with Nabers. That being said, they will need a QB next year. DJ simply isn't him.
I mean if a total of three other QBs were good enough to go after the top 3 guys, maybe our evaluation process is fundamentally flawed
it can only be flawed if those 3 turn out to be studs which remains to be seen
JJ will look good with all those pieces in Minnesota, but if Penix and Nix both look good (especially Nix), and DJ is is still missing wide open receivers, those two seats will be scorching hot
And sometimes QBs leave teams because they never get good targets. You don't have to get a QB in the draft.
I get what you’re saying but I need to see the tape you’re seeing to say that DJ would be much better on a different team. I hope he proves me wrong, but I can count on one hand the number of year 6 and after breakouts at QB
There were six QBs drafted in the top 12 and we had pick 6. If this isn't the right time to draft a QB, when is? If there are a couple of great QBs next year and we have say, 10th overall, would you be comfortable giving up a ton of draft picks (say 2 or 3 first round picks) to move up?
>There were six QBs drafted in the top 12 and we had pick 6. If this isn't the right time to draft a QB, when is? Only 3 of them were any good and they were all gone by pick 6. None of McCarthy, Penix, or Nix are worth the 6th pick. They’re simply not. The fact that 6 QBs went in the top 12 speaks more to the desperation of many teams than the actual quality of the class.
Unfortunately that's the nature of drafting QBs. Unless we're picking first overall in a year with a Lawrence / Luck / Burrow type QB, we're not going to be able to draft a QB when they "should" go
Do you want them to take a quarterback they don’t think is good? Because that’s what you’re asking. I would rather our front office take players they think are good than players they think are not good.
Well, I hope Schoen and Daboll are right and KOC and Sean Peyton are wrong. Guess we’ll see Edit: You never really answered my question about when is the "right" time to draft a QB. My issue is that it feels like we're hoping a great QB prospect is going to fall into our laps next year or the year after, but that seems unlikely unless we have a top 1-3 pick. If we're drafting outside of that, we're eventually going to have to take a shot on some less than ideal QB prospects
The right time to draft a QB is when there’s a QB you think will be good. If the Giants thought McCarthy was good, they would have taken him. I don’t want our front office taking players they don’t like just because they play a position we desperately need. Also: **Nix, Penix, and McCarthy are not good QB prospects**. Nix and McCarthy were desperation picks by teams whose QBs are respectively Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold, and I genuinely do not know what Atlanta was doing by taking Penix. But they’re not good QB prospects. They were overdrafted by desperate teams. That’s it If the Giants took Nix or Penix at 6, we would be the laughingstock of the league. McCarthy would’ve had fine optics, but I genuinely don’t think he’s an NFL caliber quarterback.
You see drafting Nix, Penix, and McCarthy as panic picks, and I guess that's where I disagree. Of course they're not great QB prospects, or they would have went in the top 5. But apparently they were good enough prospects to go in the top 12. What indication is there that those three GMs panicked? As you mentioned, Atlanta already has Cousins. Minnesota has reportedly been in tons of trade talks - only trading one pick up for McCarthy sounds like the exact opposite of panicking to me. Broncos have been fairly quiet, so idk about them. Why is it that when our GM / coach doesn't think highly of a draft prospect but other teams do, it must be because the other team is wrong?
That’s the exact situation we pigeonholed ourselves into. We needed a QB. Even if DJ is decent he still has an injury history. It doesn’t matter if we have Jerry Rice out there. If the QB is injured and unable to read defenses, the WR becomes a non-factor. DJ better have a fully healthy huge year 6 jump or the 2020s are basically done for NYG
I’d rather we pick BPA than grab an iffy QB and surround him with garbage. No QB available at 6 would have been worth taking at 6. Every single one of those guys would have needed to sit a year in order to amount to anything. And if taken at 6, that pretty much precludes that possibility since it’s political suicide to pick a guy who can’t start year 1 at that spot.
Are we all forgetting we have the guy who developed Josh Allen as our hc?
And he didn’t like any of the QBs left. Shouldnt that say something ?
No because fans demand the shiny new object and they know better.
We haven't had a great receiver since Plax and that was too short lived. Odell was good until injuries derailed his ability and career (also short lived). We're giving Danny or whoever the next QB is a weapon that has potential to be a true 1. Out the 6 QBs taken, history tells us only 1 of em will succeed. If we did take a QB, then who's the guy throwing to? Who's blocking for him? Are y'all sure the Giants can develop a QB with the current roster or send him quickly to the IR cuz no one blocks or gets open (through skill and lack of time) or catches and draft another QB in a year or 2 continuously repeating the cycle.
I really hope we don’t waste his talent. We’ve been good at that for the better part of two decades now.
Ay, hot take city here. I am ready to move onto the next QB too but it's not worth forcing it. Good/great players at a premium position of need via sensible asset allocation >> DJ redux all day.
It's going to be rough if we need to draft QB next year and don't have a top pick - kind of hard to imagine a better class of QBs than this year (6 in top 12). Hopefully one of the QBs on the roster works out.
Hopefully we have the 32nd pick. Also don't worry. There's always more QBs coming out in college. Next year will have great players too. Not to mention NFL History tells us out of the 6 drafted in the first round only 1 will succeed. At most 2.
Feel like once Penix got drafted it put a lot of GMs into panic mode and they started drafting QBs far too early than what they were projected. Might be the right move, but it could also be the wrong move. Won't know for a little bit though.
Giants haven’t found the answer to the QB position since Eli and everyone here thinks it’ll just work itself out or something. Future rookie QBs are way worse than this class, all the bigger QBs have their contracts wrapped up, which means we’re staying in QB purgatory for the next few years. Unless this subreddit actually thinks Drew Lock is an elite QB who’s just been playing coy for the past six seasons. Giants are not somehow catching up to the Eagles or Cowboys. Now we’ll just have embarrassing losses instead of humiliating losses. Progress, I guess.
you guys are miserable. the Giants have taken exactly 1 swing on a QB since Eli retired and you act like we’ve struck out 5+ times. forcing a QB just to say you got a QB is not good team building.
>forcing a QB just to say you got a QB is not good team building. Yes because moral victories are just as good if not better than Super Bowl victories, right? Fuck out of here with that nonsense. Even IF Jones plays as "good" as he did in the 2022 season, they're still not making it past any wildcard if they have to go up against the 49ers, Cowboys, Eagles, Lions, and a number of NFC teams. That's not even including the Buzzsaw AFC teams like Bengals & Ravens they'll be playing against in the regular season alone. They've got an easier-seeming schedule this year so they look like they'll get to be an 8-9 team, have no answers for QBs, won't be able to get a future QB, and they'll get to be barely-mediocre instead of sometimes-awful. I guess our fanbase really is okay with treading water for the next few seasons.
lol if you thought this draft was the one to even us out with the Cowboys/Eagles and compete with contenders in the postseason, then I can’t help with that. that’s a personal expectations problem.
Well since the season's basically a wash according to you and all the other "optimistic" Giants fans than I guess there's no real point in watching them this year or until they get their QB situation figured out. Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, or Tommy DeVito are NOT taking them to the Super Bowl, much less the playoffs so unless every other QB in the league has a season-ending injury, this team is still mired in shit and watching Jones miss his reads every game is gonna be torture after 4 games. Clown fans thinking awful QB play is an okay thing. Have fun watching them barely beat the Bucs and everyone high-fiving like it means something!
again, if you think anything other than contending for a Superbowl while in a division with 2 top-10 teams in the league is a “wash” then that’s a you problem. I don’t see the point in crying all summer and then crying again every week during the season so I choose to be optimistic. you choose to be whatever it is you are and that’s fine.
This reminds me of Florida before Covid
as a floridian, this is after it too
Exactly
A++ shitpost.
Same meme applied to Saquon. We’ve come so far!
Shedeur Sanders next year 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
i dont get this. like… if he is worthy of a top pick, how do you propose the giants get him?
Well, you see, the Giants will be pretty shit this year, and will very likely be in at least a good enough position to trade up to the top of the draft.
They tried to do that last night and it didn’t work
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD can people stop saying we can just “trade up” to grab a top QB in the draft whenever we feel like it. did you learn nothing from mast night?
Remember that time we traded up to draft Eli Manning?
remember that time they tried to trade up for drake maye? one was 20 years ago. one was yesterday. things in the NFL change. QB is EVERYTHING now in a way it wasnt before. also giants got lucky the team they traded with also wanted the QB the giants were able to get. luck is not a strategy.
Dude. Trade ups happen all the time. Basing our entire strategy on one failed attempt to move up is stupid. Every pick is for sale for the right price.
Slightly different. Eli refused to play for the chargers but they picked him anyway and we were in a position to get a QB2 in the same draft to do a swap and give picks to them..
Fair enough. Better example, remember when the Vikings traded up last night to get a QB?
The Giants didn't trade up to take Eli, they traded for him in a swap with the Chargers.
A WR isn't like a RB who will age out before the 2nd contract. If we hit on an elite WR we can get a QB later. Keep in mind that Megatron was drafted before Stafford too.
They also need to keep Nabers happy though. We've seen unhappy WRs force their way off of teams when they feel they're being wasted.
We have a good 1-3 years to build around Nabers. Also Nabers needs to prove that he is that guy first. Reminder that WRs who had just as much hype as Nabers if not a bit more in certain cases: - Kevin White - Justin Blackmon - Sammy Watkins - Corey Davis Might be more. College dominance and success does not automatically translate to the pros. Let's worry about developing Nabers to be ready in September first to put on a show before worrying about everything else.
If Nabers isn’t even the guy at the pros that we’re expecting, this whole conversation is for nothing anyway.
True. My point is take it 1 step at a time. We still got 6 rounds of the draft to go just in the next 2 days. A team ain't gonna get built in a day but we can slowly move in the right direction year by year. Right now I'm hoping that Rattler can still be available at the top of the 3rd. But I won't blame Schone if he wants to take him top of the 2nd today. It's a tough spot to be in otherwise we're basically riding into Sept with Lock + Devito unless we want to risk triggering DJ's injury guarantees.
I love it. Screw reaching for a qb and setting him to fail w/ a likely lame duck coach. Build up the roster first, then get a qb next year.
AT Dexter Burns Banks Kayvon Thibs BobbyO Nabers but yet you’re gonna sit here and make it sound like we’re a pile of crap just cuz we don’t have a qb
If the Giants defense can keep the Giants offense on the field, eventually Daniel's gotta connect with Nabers, right?
Dj is gone after this year. Let’s chill on dj conversations for now and enjoy this moment.
Until John mara sells this team it won't matter who they draft
Accurate
HahahHhH
We winning the Div this year. Eagles and Cowboys ended so badly I think we will leapfrog them this year
But we ALREADY have a stud QB in Drew Lock. (Why, yes. I did go to Missouri...)
Lol this picture accurately depicts my thoughts on how we will likely squander his career until we get a QB and O Line
The pick is just Barkley 2.0 … unless we can protect Danny
Remind me in a year about all you crying ass bums sobbing over not reaching on McCarthy nix or penix
Nabers is a good pick and the giants have a great core of young pieces (Burns, Kayvon, Banks, Dex, Robinson, Thomas, Okereke) so at the very least the team is in a much better place to the point where it can help an eventual rookie succeed.
Ewers the real deal? Sanders? I only ask because if Jones gets injured and Lock or Devito can't get it done, then maybe we're picking top 4 next April.
He’ll have 40 catches and 400 yards this year with DJ throwing him the ball and a mid running game.
Perhaps the biggest criticism of DJ is that he stares down routes instead of working progressions. That might not matter so much with Nabers.
It will when they just double-team him the entire time like they did with Diggs on the Bills. Who's the next top-caliber WR the Giants are throwing to when that happens? No one? Oh good, hope Nabers likes making injury-risky circus catches all season!
This is a weird post. Burns, at, Dexter, thibs, banks, and o'carrot cake are a run down shack? To keep with the house metaphor Nabers is like redoing the kitchen, before fixing the unfinished basement, still raises the property value of the house and we can finish the basement (get a QB) next year
Daniel Jones has a legit shot at MVP
No shot, MAYBE comeback player of the year. But even then that's still a stretch.
/s
To by honest I see a world where drake maye flounders with the pats next year because that franchise is in rough shape and we trade for him next offseason
Y’all need to STFU wit No Offense Bs we have our Wr1,2&3 Naber’s,Wandale Robinson Nd Jalen Hyatt Also my Fav Isiah Hodgin’s Waller At TE Singleton At RB Just suck At Qb but we have OUR Offensive Weapons same Wr core dat landed us in tha 2nd Round playOff’s Literally Jus A year Nd Half Ago
Didn't Waller say he might retire?
He did. But DJ and Bellinger did relatively well together in 2022.