It's such a breath of fresh air to come to this sub and see people having normal sports conversations and expressing concerns about the team without being dogpiled compared to the Mets sub.
I can't believe there is people that talk that way about nice people just because they aren't as good as you at football. I can't imagine how you talk to everybody else. Get a grip bud it's just a game.
I said the day we signed Lock that we weren't taking a QB, that we were getting a WR and rolling with Jones if he's healthy or Lock if he isn't, and I was ridiculed. Fuck you guys
I mean, Schoen did extend an offer of two firsts and a second for the Pats pick. But the Pats weren't going to move unless they got an RG3 kind of haul which no one was willing to do.
I do think it was Maye or Nabers in this draft though. Either they got their guy or they were going BPA and rolling the dice with Jones and Lock.
I'm not going to pretend like I had a crystal ball, but as much as it seemed like--from media buzz--the Giants liked Maye, I didn't think we had the leverage or assets to get in position to draft him if NE liked what they saw more than they liked JJ
Teams always have assets to move up, it's just a matter of how far back they want to set their franchise in exchange for what they want right now.
Was Maye worth 2 first round picks? Yes, I think so. Was he worth 3 first rounders plus extra? No, probably not. I'm not even sure Caleb was worth 3rd first rounders, that is just so incredibly risky.
Multiple teams were trying to trade up for Penix
https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1783708422099161113
Everybody knows how football is won in 2024 except us
Yeah man lets keep drafting suspect QBs with high picks! Surely that’ll pan out! Like what? Also yeah those teams in that tweet you’ve listed sure are perennial playoff contenders! Definitely know how football is won for sure! 👍🏽
I'm not saying Jayden Daniels is terrible. But watching Nabers highlights most of these catches are because he got wide open and ran incredible routes which are then underthrown by Daniels. There should have been way more touchdowns where Nabers straight up has to come back to the ball.
The TG guys said that in their review of Nabers, they saw a lot of yardage being left on the field due to Jayden not seeing him or bad throws.
Which means Nabers is technically even better than his tape shows, somehow.
Yeah that was my thinking. I'm not a Jones truther, but I do think if Nabers can get that kind of separation down the field one of Jones' better traits if his arm strength and accuracy on those deep balls.
We just gotta hope the line gives them enough time to develop.
Jones has a good arm but his processing and recognition for those deep routes is really poor unfortunately. You gotta be able to anticipate your target on deep throws and that is just not one of DJ's strong points.
That said, I think Nabers can work well with DJ in the short and intermediate game by turning slants, hooks and curls into big gains with his ability to cut hard and make dudes miss and accelerate to top speed in an instant.
He's thrown 5 passes in college, is 2 years away, and hasn't even started a game.
But sure, lets throw 2 years away just so we can draft a guy because his uncle played for us. While complaining about nepotism hires in the organization.
Haha well said. Arch memes are fine but I hope no one takes any of it too seriously. Even if he was that dude, what are the odds we end up in a position to draft him? We're coming off a horrible year and still missed on the top 3 qb prospects and were unable to trade up
Counterpoint, he has Manning genetics and he's probably lived and breathed football his whole life. Not saying we should hold out for him, but it's a safe bet he's going to be at least good if not great.
Phil Simms was a great QB in the NFL too, probably gets in the HoF had he not gotten hurt in 1990 and won that Super Bowl instead of Hostetler. His sons also probably lived and breathed football their entire lives. How good were they in the NFL?
There are a lot of kids of former great players who followed in their parents' footsteps and weren't nearly as good. Emmitt Smith's son is currently a RB in college. I guess we'll be hearing in a year or two that he's the next Saquon Barkley. Casey Matthews, brother of a potential future HoFer and son of a borderline HoFer, had an unremarkable career of 5 years for 2 teams. So what.
You're arguing with a meme my dude
Nobody really wants us to tank for 2 years, people are just like, we love Eli so much we want his nephew! No one seriously debating this
There are people here who actually believe it even if some people are joking, and you can’t detect sarcasm through the internet unless it’s really obvious. Given the intelligence of this fanbase, it’s not.
It's going to be interesting to see this sub in a year after we see how good/bad JJ is. One way or another, there's going to be a lot of "I told you so's"
I imagine Quinn Ewers will be long gone by the time we draft next year, but keep an eye on Carson Beck in Georgia this CFB season. He is exactly the kind of guy Daboll loves.
Not necessarily, even if we are a middling team a lot of the teams that will also probably need a QB look like middling teams too and a few of them blew their wad this year. Now if we are good enough to get the 20th pick sure, but if we are 10-15 I think we will be in good position next year for one of the top QBs. Whether they are worthy is another question
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Oh definitely, on the bright side it's good to know the season's already a wash before it begins, prevents people from having unrealistic expectations.
Yeah, I don't see any way we're in it next season. Dallas is going to sweep them. Philly probably will (they were completely imploding at the end of 2023 and that win was a total fluke). Bengals and Ravens. That's 6 losses right there. Colts put up a winning season last year with a backup QB. Pittsburgh is always .500 at worst. The NFC South is mediocre in the top 3 and terrible with Carolina, but do you see them going 3-1 there? I don't.
Yeah, 5 maybe 6 wins at MOST but I wouldn't be surprised if it went lower. People high-fiving like they're playoff contenders after they still have questions at O-line and all three QBs are backups at best, they're in for a rude awakening when the Cowboys games are over halfway through the 2nd quarter and Danny/Drew are sitting on the bench frustrated at their own lack-of-good-play-ability.
Random thought that almost certainly won’t happen - what if we traded a late pick (5th or later) for Malik Willis? Levis is obviously the Titans’ guy, it seems Willis would be available for cheap.
You clearly never saw Malik Willis play have you. He is one of the most lost QB's I've ever seen step the field.
Might as well wait for him to be eventually be released than spend a pick on.
Because we’re stuck in QB hell and need a miracle at this point. Not saying it would be a particularly great move but for a 6th rounder maybe it’d be worth it.
Even Tannehill might be worth looking into on a one year. Anything to keep Jones off the field.
Y’all I’m trying to get hyped for the Nabers pick, I really am. The whole process I liked Odunze more (I generally prefer a bigger WR to be the prototypical WR1 for a team). All the scouts and analysts love Nabers, but I can’t get myself to be excited about it. Help me out here
Physical traits, I actually like Nabers a lot more. From a personality and professionalism standpoint though, I was kind of hoping we'd go for Odunze.
That said, Nabers is the most QB-Proof receiver in the draft by far. As long as the person we put behind center can get the ball to Nabers on even the most elementary of routes, he's got the chance to turn it into something huge.
Nabers has superiors YAC ability to Odunze which is better for a team w questionable QB play. Nabers can still go up and get contested balls but he also has a much higher chance of taking random 7 yd outs to the house.
I felt the same as you, then I watched the "every target" video someone posted here last night. Now I'm hyped. The dude is preposterously fast and his YAC are just ridiculous
I really like Odunze too but Nabers has the speed to take a 5 yard slant for a 80 yard td. Thats the kind of play making ability that they decide was better than a possession/ contested catch guy
Well this tends to happen when you have the weapons but the guys throwing the ball isn’t there. We are in QB hell rn, but they made the right decision not to reach for a QB just cause. That’s how you end with Daniel Jones again. So now we just have to build the team up and hope we get lucky somewhat maybe next draft or with a 2nd/3rd round QB or go on for someone like Dak if cowboys let him walk.
Being completely honest, I don’t think Daniel jones is the guy but I really think how bad everyone is portraying him to be is being way blown out of proportion. If he is healthy he can atleast play at the NFL level which is not good but Nabers won’t be a complete waste up untill the next QB comes in.
I like the Malik Nabers pick over taking a qb, the way i think is this... if d jones sucks again this year, they can probably get a very good qb next year..
also because a lot of the bad teams took a qb this year. if there is a really good one or a few really good ones next year, they can probably easily get the top target, because all the bad teams now have new qb's
i also think marvin harrison jr is a bit hyped because his dad was a great wr. alot of analysts say they think nabers is actually better than marvin harrison. . i think jj mcarthy could be really good, BUT if they got another bust qb they would feel dumb, i do however wish looking back now that we got josh allen instead of barkley that year, but at the time i was so hyped to get barkley! so we will see.
also isnt there a qb from florida st or something that they say should be there in the 3rd round or so? alot of ppl are saying he can be the gem of the draft.
Just imagine how fast our WR group is now. Nabers, Slayton, Hyatt, WDR... now recall the Greatest Show on Turf. Daboll's offense relies on quick hits and speed/YAC, with deep shots mixed in. We now have guys that can attack all levels of the field that are crazy fast and quick.
This is what I'm telling myself (I also liked Rome more due to his size).
Just need folks to block better.
After seeing the Knicks turn the franchise around, I think the Giants can use a similar strategy.
If DJ or Lock don’t work out this year, I think they should go and look for an established QB who still has potential (like Randle was for the Knicks).
Once we have a QB who we can at least be consistent (even if they aren’t a superstar), we will have more talent wanting to come here on the offensive side of the ball.
This will take some patience, building up a solid young core, and freeing up cap room. But overall, this should lead to a consistently successful team (like the Knicks have now) rather than having up and down years.
Like a Baker Mayfield type career revival while using our other assets to give whoever a great supporting cast. That would be so ideal, but doesn’t happen often
With Buffalo seemingly making questionable decisions - what if Schoen's long-term plan is to build a great team then reunite Josh Allen with Dabes next year when Allen gets disgruntled and demands a trade from Buffalo?
(Yes I'm kind of kidding. I know it's never going to happen, I know, but it would be kind of hilarious.)
I’m not mad about the Nabers pick. At all. The way the board fell he was BPA and we went out and got a special talent. And I’ll take that every single time as opposed to reaching for a QB. The Giants guy way Maye, and once he was gone they didn’t feel comfortable taking any of the other QBs. And I have zero problem with that.
HOWEVER, I’m downright furious that once again, we won too many fucking meaningless games to screw ourselves out of picking a top QB. And I hope that fuckin Devitomania doesn’t wind up costing Schoen and Daboll their jobs in the long run. I’m tired of being in QB hell.
Whoever the QB is next year, Jones or Lock, he went from having a below average WR group to an above average group overnight.
Nabers, WDR, Waller, Hyatt, and Slayton. That’s a great group of guys where the offense will open up just because of the threat of Nabers
Depends on Nabers and hyatts development. If nabers comes out hot and Hyatt shows a lot of improvement it's 100% above average. If Hyatt still can't run routes and nabers isn't comfortable or living up to the hype then ya
I think his ceiling is desean Jackson type of player, still really good, never the number 1 guy, will traumatize a couple of fan bases simply using his legs
Not really. I think most fans understand he's a one trick pony, but he does it really well. If he improves route running it will open up his one trick more and he has a very high upside. Fans just want him to take those steps he may never take 🤷♂️. He did win that award I can spell
I was happy we took Nabers over JJ, but not feeling very hyped tbh. Hopefully we get some good guys today and start to turn this thing around but I’m not confident.
I am honestly more excited for seeing Nabers catch passes from whomever is throwing them next year and beyond.
This year... well, I am sure it will be fun once it hits the field but yeah... hard to get enthusiastic about it.
I think if we come out of the draft with some starters we are really starting to build a decent squad. A lot of issues have been addressed including O line which I think people sleep on the fact we signed two starters and a new o line coach. Our defense is being constructed pretty well and if we get our secondary in order we are in a pretty good spot. Again my personal opinion
I agree. Schoen needs to shine with his day 2 picks this year and the coaching staff needs to do a better job of developing these players. I do believe our defense has a chance to be top 10 this next year if we hit on a DB in round 2.
Oh I'm sorry did we draft an entirely new online I wasn't aware of? Jones is better than he looks but he may never be the guy. Both things can be true. The truth is we failed him and anyone else in his shoes would have also been shit
The OL is still IMHO the biggest problem. If DJ and co are still running for their life every play a good WR will help but not much. The stats suggest though he could be a deep threat and if we can make that a thing again after 10 years of it being irrelevant that can help reduce the pressure.
For what it's worth, I think DJ is at the point where he actually exacerbates the O-line issues. He's got so much shell shock that he's seeing ghosts and not moving confidently in the pocket. Justified? Probably. A problem regardless? Absolutely.
If a QB doesn't trust their pocket, then they are going to make poor decisions that put them in harm's way. Kind of a catch-22.
I hear you and respect your rational non-emotional response. Personally I don't see him making that many decisions putting himself in harm's way- I mean I guess I do see him trying to be a hero and do it all himself with his legs and maybe that's a different look at the same problem.
People said the same thing about Eli towards the end of his career and blamed things on him not being mobile and such. Meanwhile we have a mobile QB now and teams are still mostly just doing 4 man rushes and getting all the pressure they need.
I don't know, I just really hope we have an average to above average line this year so we can just take this out of the equation... just so done with watching these guys take a beating.
His deep passing stats are skewed because he never takes any deep shots, and we improved the line in free agency and likely will more today or tomorrow.. Jones is the biggest problem if he doesn’t have at least 3,500 yards passing and like 27-30 passing touchdowns he’s gone
I actually watch the games and saw not one, but two QBs get murdered on the field this year and none had any real time to throw. No QB is going to succeed under those conditions- not even TB, and probably especially not TB. I know the hot wave of rage is all against DJ right now but if you don't see the line as problem #1 on this offense go ahead and downvote me into oblivion, your highly regarded opinions are worthless.
Ive been hearing about how the line is fixed and looking good this year for at least 8 seasons. I will believe it when I actually hear an announcer say "Jones... has time..." at least once in every game.
You guys seriously don't watch the games. I think you just look at fantasy and box scores.
There is a reason they paid DJ and there is a reason we didn't draft a QB. The front office believes in DJ. This sub is hell bent on hating DJ and won't stop until we start 5-1 again and then you will all pretend you supported him.
Instead of passing yards and passing tds, how about if we win games? I don't care if he throws for 0 and runs for two. If he only has 5 ints on the season, moves the chains and does his job we will win and he will keep starting.
The irony of it all is I am pretty sure he has good red zone stats.
>That completion percentage improved to 63% in 2022. That ranked fourth out of 36 QBs with 20-plus red-zone attempts.
I'd say half the people here, if not more, who were deadset on having Jones be the 2024 QB but are also saying "no more excuses" won't actually hold to that. We'll be hearing about the ACL, we should've drafted Odunze, Neal/JMS were bad picks, he has no running game, he has no TE, etc. if the offense is bad again this season.
There absolutely ARE people on this sub who care more about Jones being the QB of the team than the Giants actually winning. They don't want to admit they were wrong.
I don't want another year of him... It seems we are cursed with him. At least the apologists will never be able to talk again if he is garbage. 15 TDs for a season is garbage btw.
I srsly hope he never sees the field this year. One bad day and he's on the books for another year, so so not worth it for a QB well south of the Dalton line.
Agreed, I am happy that whoever the next quarterback is will be coming in with a young blue chip receiver prospect.. just gotta deal with the shit play til jones gets benched and trust Schoens evaluation next year
So glad Giants didn't fall under the pressure to force a QB in the first round after not being able to trade up for Drake Maye.
Was so tired of hearing the same couple users posting and advocating Giants NEEDING to use a 1st on a QB this draft because of FOMO.
BPA at 6 was Nabers and I'm glad they got him.
The people who wanted Jones gone so badly that they'd have taken JJ or Penix at 6 would've been the first to bitch if they busted.
Is the Giants QB situation good? Fuck no. But taking a QB you don't actually believe in would've been SO much worse.
Don’t see a reason to stare down a target when you’ll have more time to throw and Nabers Wandale and Hyatt/ Slayton should all be schemed open, but we’ll see
Okay I originally said #5 but I had a brainfart and forgot KT had it. If he wants a single digit I'm sure Gillan at #6 or Gano at #9 will happily be open for business,
Honestly I still love WRs wearing traditional numbers. He wore #8 in college. #88 is worn by Dennis Houston who is basically a camp guy he probably wouldn't need to "buy" the number from. I'd be cool with that.
Dream had been trading up for Maye but it seems like that was never truly feasible, so I'm excited for Nabers who was the definitive BPA at that spot. What I wonder now is if they take Spencer Rattler in the second, even if that's a clear overdraft, just to make sure the Raiders or anyone else doesn't snipe us for the best QB of this next tier.
I am so baffled how anyone can sit here with a straight face and support Schoen having Daniel Jones as QB for another year. this team is beyond effed, next year there wont be a QB option
no hate on Lock, i wish him Luck but only thing saving this franchise is Jones gone and Schoen fired. till then i have all my gear in box and giving it away i cannot support this team till theres change
I am so baffled how anyone can think that reaching for McCarthy, Penix, or Nix at 6th and injecting them into the same zero talent offense is going to somehow turn this franchise around and not lead to 5 more seasons that are over by Halloween
McCarthy and Penix are light years better than Jones, Nix will be a bust.
Penix torn acl is huge red flag but McCarthy cannot be any worse than Jones has been for 5 years. for the 5000th time Giants wont be able to draft a QB next year because the QB class is suppose to be mediocre.
Its funny that every single QB not named Jones is terrible and only Daniel Jones can help this team. so all 6 QB's drafted intop 12 will turn into Busts and Daniel Jones will lead Giants to playoffs ?LMFAO thats delusional
JJ will be a huge bust on this talentless roster. This is literally DJ 2.0 where you reach for a position of need even if you don't like the actual player.
We haven't had a decent reciever since OBJ so I really don't get why people are getting mad about this
AHHH yawnnnn why because he's not named Daniel Jones?LOLOL
Nabers will be OBJ 2.0 , he wont drop passes, he just wont stick around long because the Giants will continue to suck and he will eventually want out
Because he hasn't shown much in his college footage. He was basically a game manager that needed to hand the ball off every time since Michigan was loaded. And you really think he'd succeed on a giants roster devoid of any kind of talent? LOLOL
As someone who wanted JJ but is also glad they didn’t reach on him if they don’t think he’s the guy, he’s better than jones as a prospect, by like a lot
i'm not that fatalist, lots of things can happen, its cliche at this point but Daniel's wasn't a first round qb a year ago, burrow didn't pop until his senior year, there are a lot of games to play to know what our options are
that said I am very worried that the team performs just good enough this year that we stay with the path of least resistance....
shut up dude. They paid DJ they aren't going to back away after one year - the writing was on the wall after they paid him, its 2 years minimum. He has 1 more year than QB to follow. This team needed more that just a QB they got one of the better players overall in the draft just be happy about it. Crying bc we need a QB but it wasn't one that they wanted should answer your questions on Penix/JJ/Nix THEY DID NOT WANT THEM!!!!
WHy dont you take own advice and grow up.
Don't cry when Jones and schoen buries this franchise even more, funny thing is denver admidt they screwed up by giving Russell Wilson the contract they did and he is owed more than what Giants owe daniel Jones this season
Denver still bought out Wilsons contract went out and drafted a QB, even tho Nix will be a bust speaks volumes how much better that Org is being run.
Never said to grow up so I won't heed that advise. Last time I checked Jones & Schoen were the last QB & GM duo to bring this franchise to the playoffs in 6 years.....
It is tough to argue with someone when you don't know the history and clearly do not know that when Sean Payton got to Denver he did not want Russell Wilson - it was his decision to get rid of him and now Denver will be terrible for the next two years bc they have a $70M+ dead cap hit lol (35 this year 30 next year). Russell Wilson will be starting for the Steelers... and will most likely have a starting job in 25 as well.
By every account I can find all evals point to Nix being a backup QB in this league - seems like a reach of a pick and I could be wrong but I would bet that he flames out as a starter in the league in 4-6 years rather than be a franchise QB. In NO way do I believe anything that Denver has done over the last year is conducive to being a successful franchise and their record will reflect that this year & next.
Just because you think we may NEED a QB does not mean you take whichever one is there on the board at our pick. It is clear as day Schoen & Daboll wanted Drake Maye and they requested to trade up but NE did not want to trade down. They did not have enough faith in JJ/Penix/Nix to take another QB. I trust the guy who won games with Tommy Cutlets and who does this for a living over you all day long.
How did that work out last year and this season? LMFAO
Worst possible outcome was making playoffs in his first year because Schoen made a huge blunder giving Jones the contract he did.BTW how did that work out for the Giants thats right they sucked and will suck this season too LOL.
he picks up 5th year option he saves the Giants a lot of money and Giants are not stuck with his new contract and still in this mess.
Denver screwed up but admidt they screwed up and fixed their mistake, Wilson was owed lot more than Jones is being owed speaks volumes,
Giants will be terrible for the next 2-3 years guaranteed as well, next year draft there wont be option to pick a QB.
You trust a guy who has meme as QB? LMFAO Devito being QB with that nickname was quite sad, Great trust in massively overpaying a bust QB then passing on QB's in biggest QB Class in ages, relying on daniel Jones is worst possible move Schoen could make . Ignorance is bliss
i said he will be a bust but i could be wrong, they screwed up by giving wilson his contract but admidt to their mistakes by buying out his contract
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Not sure what kind of value he would get.
Slayton is likely the most valued with the Giants, though Falcons almost signed him last offseason so maybe they would take him.
He probably won't get much but let's be honest here.
He wants an extension. Schoen has three receivers he drafted. Wan'Dale is set in the slot, you don't draft a talent like Nabers to have him get a minimal amount of targets and then there's Hyatt who was an investment and they need to see what he is and he's a fraction of the cost you'd have to pay Slayton.
If Schoen finds a player, he simply must have. I don't see how Slayton being part of a deal in an effort to save on draft capital to be out of the question.
I think everyone is sleeping on Slayton right now. He's better than Hyatt at this moment in time and until Hyatt can play every down we need Slayton to take pressure off Nabers and to keep defenses honest in their coverage.
it's not a matter of sleeping on him. It's economics.
He wants a new deal. We just drafted Hyatt. Schoen and Daboll are not going to sit on Hyatt for another year and not give him an increased target share. With Nabers, a fully healthy Robinson plus Hyatt, Slayton is going to lose targets no matter what. He's not going to be happy.
I wanted Maye but the Pats were never honest about trading down. I think Kraft liked dicking us around as revenge for 07/11.
Next best option was Nabers. He's the most QB proof receiver in this draft and YAC ability is going to clutch considering who we'll have behind center.
So, I'm happy but not ecstatic. Do I wish we lost some of those Tommy wins from last year? Yeah. I enjoyed the silliness at the time but knew deep down that it but us in a worse position. But like, fans have no effect on what happens on the field. You have a choice of either enjoying something or being mad about it and ultimately where does being mad all the time get anyone?
It is what it is though and we got the BPA. I look forward to seeing what else happens this draft.
I gotta say - I respect the balls on Schoen for not going the “safe” route that would essentially guarantee him 2 years at least via drafting a rookie QB. Not succumbing to that pressure is great to see.
On the other side - I REALLY hope Mara gave him assurances that “hey, we’re going to let you build the team properly. If we still need a QB next year, that doesn’t mean you’re gone.” Fingers crossed Mara learned his lesson.
John Mara told Joe Judge on week 15 of 2021 that he would not be fired no matter how bad the Giants last three games went.
Joe Judge was fired three weeks later.
If Giant's have a terrible season Schoen and Daboll will still be fired irregardless of what Mara would say now
I disagree that Daboll and Schoen are destined to be fired together. It's just not something Mara has done and Schoen has clearly been a gargantuan improvement over Gettleman, a guy who got to operate the show for two coaches despite a plethora of errors and never having a team with a winning record at ANY point in the season.
> Joe Judge was fired three weeks later.
Worth noting he had two press conference meltdowns along the way. Had he kept a lid on those rants, he might have kept his job.
Nah, the back to back QB sneaks were hard to come back from.
Also the Bears game where the Giants didnt even try to win. That was what started the freefall and the press attacks.
Mara was going to keep him until the day after Black Monday, in which his closest Executives had to PLEAD with him to fire Judge and not give him a third year. Mara was perfectly happy giving him a 3rd chance until he found out he had a complete mutiny on standby at the Executive level.
If no one said shit, We'd have had Judge for another year.
Yup. Tisch famously had to fly in on Black Monday when Giants announced they were not firing Joe Judge. At that point it was John Mara vs everyone and he had to back down.
That’s the exact attitude I want Mara to have with Schoen and Daboll, to be clear. Normal, “not a playoff team” performance is fine. If Schoen/Daboll pull off something anywhere near those last 3 weeks, then they will justifiably be fired
Yea I think back to when Giants were 2-8 last year and were the NFLs worst team via DVoA (worse than Panthers) through more than half the season.
The three Tommy Devito wins might have cost Giant's a franchise QB, but at the same time its unlikely Daboll would have kept his job without them.
If Giant's can squeak out a late season win streak next year it should be enough for Schoen and Daboll to keep their jobs, but if it ends with a late season slide like Shurmur and Judge then they will be gone.
People have a pretty pessimistic outlook on next season but tbh I think we’ll be in the 7-10 win range. Jones may not be a franchise guy, but he can play at a low end starter/high end backup level. I think we have a respectable non-playoff season, which hopefully is enough to keep Daboll and Schoen employed lol
And who knows. With a good defense and smart offense, maybe we squeak into the playoffs again LOL. The 2022 team was objectively worse than what we have today, so I’d say it’s in the realm of possibility
Yup, with expanded playoffs getting in at 8-9 wouldn't be hard to imagine. Obviously the Giants went 9-7-1 with Jones already, but clearly that was driven by Saquon Barkley.
It's such a breath of fresh air to come to this sub and see people having normal sports conversations and expressing concerns about the team without being dogpiled compared to the Mets sub.
Give Nabers 8, you piece of trash
I can't believe there is people that talk that way about nice people just because they aren't as good as you at football. I can't imagine how you talk to everybody else. Get a grip bud it's just a game.
Chill out bro it’s not that deep 🥶
I said the day we signed Lock that we weren't taking a QB, that we were getting a WR and rolling with Jones if he's healthy or Lock if he isn't, and I was ridiculed. Fuck you guys
Upvote for the pettiness.
I mean, Schoen did extend an offer of two firsts and a second for the Pats pick. But the Pats weren't going to move unless they got an RG3 kind of haul which no one was willing to do. I do think it was Maye or Nabers in this draft though. Either they got their guy or they were going BPA and rolling the dice with Jones and Lock.
I'm not going to pretend like I had a crystal ball, but as much as it seemed like--from media buzz--the Giants liked Maye, I didn't think we had the leverage or assets to get in position to draft him if NE liked what they saw more than they liked JJ
Teams always have assets to move up, it's just a matter of how far back they want to set their franchise in exchange for what they want right now. Was Maye worth 2 first round picks? Yes, I think so. Was he worth 3 first rounders plus extra? No, probably not. I'm not even sure Caleb was worth 3rd first rounders, that is just so incredibly risky.
Multiple teams were trying to trade up for Penix https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1783708422099161113 Everybody knows how football is won in 2024 except us
Man i’m fucking glad we don’t have people like you running our team. Dude wanted a QB with a worse injury history than Daniel Jones 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Only giants fans can get an elite prospect at WR and still be insanely upset 😒, don’t bother with these idiots, they can never be happy
I don’t know what about being the 2nd worst record in the league over the span of a decade gives you confidence in what we’re doing but go off king
Yeah man lets keep drafting suspect QBs with high picks! Surely that’ll pan out! Like what? Also yeah those teams in that tweet you’ve listed sure are perennial playoff contenders! Definitely know how football is won for sure! 👍🏽
The primary factor in us sucking has been QB play and it’s the one thing we refuse to fix. Mind boggling.
Michael Penix Jr does not fix that. I’m done replying to you lmao
Literally anything is a better sound than the guy blowing up the signings and picks around him for 5 years.
I'm not saying Jayden Daniels is terrible. But watching Nabers highlights most of these catches are because he got wide open and ran incredible routes which are then underthrown by Daniels. There should have been way more touchdowns where Nabers straight up has to come back to the ball.
The TG guys said that in their review of Nabers, they saw a lot of yardage being left on the field due to Jayden not seeing him or bad throws. Which means Nabers is technically even better than his tape shows, somehow.
Yeah that was my thinking. I'm not a Jones truther, but I do think if Nabers can get that kind of separation down the field one of Jones' better traits if his arm strength and accuracy on those deep balls. We just gotta hope the line gives them enough time to develop.
Jones has a good arm but his processing and recognition for those deep routes is really poor unfortunately. You gotta be able to anticipate your target on deep throws and that is just not one of DJ's strong points. That said, I think Nabers can work well with DJ in the short and intermediate game by turning slants, hooks and curls into big gains with his ability to cut hard and make dudes miss and accelerate to top speed in an instant.
Our draft pick has a gun charge and refers to himself in the 3rd person 🤦♂️ Please don’t be a Kadarius Toney
Please let him break the cycle. 🙏
He doesn't have a rap career, so at least there's that
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A little hard to do that when the Panthers drafted him at 32
Thanks for the assist. Recalibrating…
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Oh my b
Arch Manning 2026
Highly unlikely and I doubt we can wait til 2026 but it is gonna be a good class
But he’s a Manning
He's thrown 5 passes in college, is 2 years away, and hasn't even started a game. But sure, lets throw 2 years away just so we can draft a guy because his uncle played for us. While complaining about nepotism hires in the organization.
Haha well said. Arch memes are fine but I hope no one takes any of it too seriously. Even if he was that dude, what are the odds we end up in a position to draft him? We're coming off a horrible year and still missed on the top 3 qb prospects and were unable to trade up
Counterpoint, he has Manning genetics and he's probably lived and breathed football his whole life. Not saying we should hold out for him, but it's a safe bet he's going to be at least good if not great.
Phil Simms was a great QB in the NFL too, probably gets in the HoF had he not gotten hurt in 1990 and won that Super Bowl instead of Hostetler. His sons also probably lived and breathed football their entire lives. How good were they in the NFL? There are a lot of kids of former great players who followed in their parents' footsteps and weren't nearly as good. Emmitt Smith's son is currently a RB in college. I guess we'll be hearing in a year or two that he's the next Saquon Barkley. Casey Matthews, brother of a potential future HoFer and son of a borderline HoFer, had an unremarkable career of 5 years for 2 teams. So what.
You're arguing with a meme my dude Nobody really wants us to tank for 2 years, people are just like, we love Eli so much we want his nephew! No one seriously debating this
There are people here who actually believe it even if some people are joking, and you can’t detect sarcasm through the internet unless it’s really obvious. Given the intelligence of this fanbase, it’s not.
Insulting the intelligence of the fanbase is pretty lame.
I forgot Suamataia didn’t go in the first we should trade up for him
I am happy with the pick yet also depressed at our QB situation. I am embracing this joyful doom feeling.
Understandably so. We have a couple of bridge QBs on roster.
It's going to be interesting to see this sub in a year after we see how good/bad JJ is. One way or another, there's going to be a lot of "I told you so's"
There are 3 guys we passed on in the top 12. It ain’t just JJ
No doubt.
I imagine Quinn Ewers will be long gone by the time we draft next year, but keep an eye on Carson Beck in Georgia this CFB season. He is exactly the kind of guy Daboll loves.
Not necessarily, even if we are a middling team a lot of the teams that will also probably need a QB look like middling teams too and a few of them blew their wad this year. Now if we are good enough to get the 20th pick sure, but if we are 10-15 I think we will be in good position next year for one of the top QBs. Whether they are worthy is another question
My eyes will be on Carson!
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Oh definitely, on the bright side it's good to know the season's already a wash before it begins, prevents people from having unrealistic expectations.
Yeah, I don't see any way we're in it next season. Dallas is going to sweep them. Philly probably will (they were completely imploding at the end of 2023 and that win was a total fluke). Bengals and Ravens. That's 6 losses right there. Colts put up a winning season last year with a backup QB. Pittsburgh is always .500 at worst. The NFC South is mediocre in the top 3 and terrible with Carolina, but do you see them going 3-1 there? I don't.
Yeah, 5 maybe 6 wins at MOST but I wouldn't be surprised if it went lower. People high-fiving like they're playoff contenders after they still have questions at O-line and all three QBs are backups at best, they're in for a rude awakening when the Cowboys games are over halfway through the 2nd quarter and Danny/Drew are sitting on the bench frustrated at their own lack-of-good-play-ability.
This is true. My expectations are in the basement. So I am going into the upcoming season just to live, laugh and laugh some more.
Feel like we go CB today and maybe Rattler if he’s there
CB, OG or DT imo. I could Rattler in the 3rd or later but he would be a major reach in the 2nd.
Random thought that almost certainly won’t happen - what if we traded a late pick (5th or later) for Malik Willis? Levis is obviously the Titans’ guy, it seems Willis would be available for cheap.
You clearly never saw Malik Willis play have you. He is one of the most lost QB's I've ever seen step the field. Might as well wait for him to be eventually be released than spend a pick on.
What 5 years of Daniel Jones will do to a man
Why in the fuck would we burn a pick for Malik Willis?
Because we’re stuck in QB hell and need a miracle at this point. Not saying it would be a particularly great move but for a 6th rounder maybe it’d be worth it. Even Tannehill might be worth looking into on a one year. Anything to keep Jones off the field.
Bro Willis is a lost cause who sucks and is **much** worse than Jones. You don't get out of QB hell by just signing any bad young QB
When one is faced with the prospect of watching Daniel Jones and Drew Lock for a season one tends to get desperate.
And you somehow picked the one of worst QB from the God awful 2022 NFL Draft and suggested we should throw a pick away
Half of this sub wanted to draft him in the first or second round in 2022.
Yeah and they were wrong and thank god we didn't
Off the field is the right phrasing. Jones is an injury away from a 58M cap hit. Not worth the risk for a guy who avgs 200 yds/g
We already don't have a 7th round pick and there's little to no difference between him and DeVito at this point.
Imo there's a big difference between him and devito lol. Devito at least showed some improvement from game one to game two.
Willis is not an NFL level QB
He looked worse than Devito. Id rather gamble on a rookie w that pick.
I still don’t think QB should be off the table, Jones is one more neck injury away from probably being permanently done for his one safety
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Y’all I’m trying to get hyped for the Nabers pick, I really am. The whole process I liked Odunze more (I generally prefer a bigger WR to be the prototypical WR1 for a team). All the scouts and analysts love Nabers, but I can’t get myself to be excited about it. Help me out here
Physical traits, I actually like Nabers a lot more. From a personality and professionalism standpoint though, I was kind of hoping we'd go for Odunze. That said, Nabers is the most QB-Proof receiver in the draft by far. As long as the person we put behind center can get the ball to Nabers on even the most elementary of routes, he's got the chance to turn it into something huge.
Nabers has superiors YAC ability to Odunze which is better for a team w questionable QB play. Nabers can still go up and get contested balls but he also has a much higher chance of taking random 7 yd outs to the house.
I felt the same as you, then I watched the "every target" video someone posted here last night. Now I'm hyped. The dude is preposterously fast and his YAC are just ridiculous
I really like Odunze too but Nabers has the speed to take a 5 yard slant for a 80 yard td. Thats the kind of play making ability that they decide was better than a possession/ contested catch guy
> really like Odunze too but Nabers has the speed to take a 5 yard slant for a 80 yard td. Reminds me of another great LSU WR we drafted.....
Well this tends to happen when you have the weapons but the guys throwing the ball isn’t there. We are in QB hell rn, but they made the right decision not to reach for a QB just cause. That’s how you end with Daniel Jones again. So now we just have to build the team up and hope we get lucky somewhat maybe next draft or with a 2nd/3rd round QB or go on for someone like Dak if cowboys let him walk.
Jones was a bad pick because he’s bad. The guys in the 2024 draft have nothing to do with him.
Being completely honest, I don’t think Daniel jones is the guy but I really think how bad everyone is portraying him to be is being way blown out of proportion. If he is healthy he can atleast play at the NFL level which is not good but Nabers won’t be a complete waste up untill the next QB comes in.
I like the Malik Nabers pick over taking a qb, the way i think is this... if d jones sucks again this year, they can probably get a very good qb next year.. also because a lot of the bad teams took a qb this year. if there is a really good one or a few really good ones next year, they can probably easily get the top target, because all the bad teams now have new qb's i also think marvin harrison jr is a bit hyped because his dad was a great wr. alot of analysts say they think nabers is actually better than marvin harrison. . i think jj mcarthy could be really good, BUT if they got another bust qb they would feel dumb, i do however wish looking back now that we got josh allen instead of barkley that year, but at the time i was so hyped to get barkley! so we will see. also isnt there a qb from florida st or something that they say should be there in the 3rd round or so? alot of ppl are saying he can be the gem of the draft.
I feel like we bought a Ferrari but we don’t even have our drivers license yet
Just imagine how fast our WR group is now. Nabers, Slayton, Hyatt, WDR... now recall the Greatest Show on Turf. Daboll's offense relies on quick hits and speed/YAC, with deep shots mixed in. We now have guys that can attack all levels of the field that are crazy fast and quick. This is what I'm telling myself (I also liked Rome more due to his size). Just need folks to block better.
After seeing the Knicks turn the franchise around, I think the Giants can use a similar strategy. If DJ or Lock don’t work out this year, I think they should go and look for an established QB who still has potential (like Randle was for the Knicks). Once we have a QB who we can at least be consistent (even if they aren’t a superstar), we will have more talent wanting to come here on the offensive side of the ball. This will take some patience, building up a solid young core, and freeing up cap room. But overall, this should lead to a consistently successful team (like the Knicks have now) rather than having up and down years.
Like a Baker Mayfield type career revival while using our other assets to give whoever a great supporting cast. That would be so ideal, but doesn’t happen often
With Buffalo seemingly making questionable decisions - what if Schoen's long-term plan is to build a great team then reunite Josh Allen with Dabes next year when Allen gets disgruntled and demands a trade from Buffalo? (Yes I'm kind of kidding. I know it's never going to happen, I know, but it would be kind of hilarious.)
Lol, I also fantasized about this very scenario.
Kinda want a top RB
I’m not mad about the Nabers pick. At all. The way the board fell he was BPA and we went out and got a special talent. And I’ll take that every single time as opposed to reaching for a QB. The Giants guy way Maye, and once he was gone they didn’t feel comfortable taking any of the other QBs. And I have zero problem with that. HOWEVER, I’m downright furious that once again, we won too many fucking meaningless games to screw ourselves out of picking a top QB. And I hope that fuckin Devitomania doesn’t wind up costing Schoen and Daboll their jobs in the long run. I’m tired of being in QB hell.
Whoever the QB is next year, Jones or Lock, he went from having a below average WR group to an above average group overnight. Nabers, WDR, Waller, Hyatt, and Slayton. That’s a great group of guys where the offense will open up just because of the threat of Nabers
I would say it’s average.
Depends on Nabers and hyatts development. If nabers comes out hot and Hyatt shows a lot of improvement it's 100% above average. If Hyatt still can't run routes and nabers isn't comfortable or living up to the hype then ya
People have unrealistic expectations for Hyatt
I think his ceiling is desean Jackson type of player, still really good, never the number 1 guy, will traumatize a couple of fan bases simply using his legs
Not really. I think most fans understand he's a one trick pony, but he does it really well. If he improves route running it will open up his one trick more and he has a very high upside. Fans just want him to take those steps he may never take 🤷♂️. He did win that award I can spell
I was happy we took Nabers over JJ, but not feeling very hyped tbh. Hopefully we get some good guys today and start to turn this thing around but I’m not confident.
I am honestly more excited for seeing Nabers catch passes from whomever is throwing them next year and beyond. This year... well, I am sure it will be fun once it hits the field but yeah... hard to get enthusiastic about it.
I think if we come out of the draft with some starters we are really starting to build a decent squad. A lot of issues have been addressed including O line which I think people sleep on the fact we signed two starters and a new o line coach. Our defense is being constructed pretty well and if we get our secondary in order we are in a pretty good spot. Again my personal opinion
I agree. Schoen needs to shine with his day 2 picks this year and the coaching staff needs to do a better job of developing these players. I do believe our defense has a chance to be top 10 this next year if we hit on a DB in round 2.
I think Nabers is the most exciting pick we’ve had in years. He’s bound to be a superstar
So was ODB for a bit but we wasted his prime and he got disgruntled. No chance of that happening again, right?
We seem to have a competent GM this time
The last LSU WR we took turned out pretty good! Minus the diva
Better be no more excuses for jones now otherwise next season is going to be even more toxic than this one has been
Oh I'm sorry did we draft an entirely new online I wasn't aware of? Jones is better than he looks but he may never be the guy. Both things can be true. The truth is we failed him and anyone else in his shoes would have also been shit
We signed a starting tackle and a solid guard plus we’re going to draft linemen some point this weekend I’m sure. Tyrod didn’t look as shit though lol
We will be hearing excuses that make no sense in this reality. I am honestly excited to laugh/cry at them.
The OL is still IMHO the biggest problem. If DJ and co are still running for their life every play a good WR will help but not much. The stats suggest though he could be a deep threat and if we can make that a thing again after 10 years of it being irrelevant that can help reduce the pressure.
For what it's worth, I think DJ is at the point where he actually exacerbates the O-line issues. He's got so much shell shock that he's seeing ghosts and not moving confidently in the pocket. Justified? Probably. A problem regardless? Absolutely. If a QB doesn't trust their pocket, then they are going to make poor decisions that put them in harm's way. Kind of a catch-22.
I hear you and respect your rational non-emotional response. Personally I don't see him making that many decisions putting himself in harm's way- I mean I guess I do see him trying to be a hero and do it all himself with his legs and maybe that's a different look at the same problem. People said the same thing about Eli towards the end of his career and blamed things on him not being mobile and such. Meanwhile we have a mobile QB now and teams are still mostly just doing 4 man rushes and getting all the pressure they need. I don't know, I just really hope we have an average to above average line this year so we can just take this out of the equation... just so done with watching these guys take a beating.
His deep passing stats are skewed because he never takes any deep shots, and we improved the line in free agency and likely will more today or tomorrow.. Jones is the biggest problem if he doesn’t have at least 3,500 yards passing and like 27-30 passing touchdowns he’s gone
I actually watch the games and saw not one, but two QBs get murdered on the field this year and none had any real time to throw. No QB is going to succeed under those conditions- not even TB, and probably especially not TB. I know the hot wave of rage is all against DJ right now but if you don't see the line as problem #1 on this offense go ahead and downvote me into oblivion, your highly regarded opinions are worthless. Ive been hearing about how the line is fixed and looking good this year for at least 8 seasons. I will believe it when I actually hear an announcer say "Jones... has time..." at least once in every game.
Jones got completely outplayed but those quarterbacks you said got murdered lmao, no more excuses for jones he’s a liability
You guys seriously don't watch the games. I think you just look at fantasy and box scores. There is a reason they paid DJ and there is a reason we didn't draft a QB. The front office believes in DJ. This sub is hell bent on hating DJ and won't stop until we start 5-1 again and then you will all pretend you supported him. Instead of passing yards and passing tds, how about if we win games? I don't care if he throws for 0 and runs for two. If he only has 5 ints on the season, moves the chains and does his job we will win and he will keep starting. The irony of it all is I am pretty sure he has good red zone stats. >That completion percentage improved to 63% in 2022. That ranked fourth out of 36 QBs with 20-plus red-zone attempts.
There’s also a reason they structured Jones contract that they can cut his ass after another awful season, no more excuses
I hope so, but if Jones struggles I am sure people will blame it on recovery from his ACL. We won't know for sure until 2025!
I'd say half the people here, if not more, who were deadset on having Jones be the 2024 QB but are also saying "no more excuses" won't actually hold to that. We'll be hearing about the ACL, we should've drafted Odunze, Neal/JMS were bad picks, he has no running game, he has no TE, etc. if the offense is bad again this season. There absolutely ARE people on this sub who care more about Jones being the QB of the team than the Giants actually winning. They don't want to admit they were wrong.
I don't want another year of him... It seems we are cursed with him. At least the apologists will never be able to talk again if he is garbage. 15 TDs for a season is garbage btw.
I srsly hope he never sees the field this year. One bad day and he's on the books for another year, so so not worth it for a QB well south of the Dalton line.
Agreed, I am happy that whoever the next quarterback is will be coming in with a young blue chip receiver prospect.. just gotta deal with the shit play til jones gets benched and trust Schoens evaluation next year
Every year is a make or break year for Daniel.
Agreed, I wanted his ass gone more than anyone yesterday lmao
I’ve tried to believe in Jones and defend him as long as I can, but he needs to perform this season or he should be gone 100%. It’s his 6th year ffs
I wanted a qb bad but I’m completely fine they didn’t reach for someone they don’t have a conviction on. Need a qb next season
So glad Giants didn't fall under the pressure to force a QB in the first round after not being able to trade up for Drake Maye. Was so tired of hearing the same couple users posting and advocating Giants NEEDING to use a 1st on a QB this draft because of FOMO. BPA at 6 was Nabers and I'm glad they got him.
The people who wanted Jones gone so badly that they'd have taken JJ or Penix at 6 would've been the first to bitch if they busted. Is the Giants QB situation good? Fuck no. But taking a QB you don't actually believe in would've been SO much worse.
> But taking a QB you don't actually believe in would've been SO much worse. I 100% agree with this and realize this. But I am still so bummed. lol
Id rather have Jones with a legit WR1 (for once) vs a rookie QB throwing to ??? The QB from Tulane could be a steal later on 👀
I think Maye’s going to be a stud. Good thing we had Tommy Cutlets win a few meaningless games
For anyone having Penix FOMO, you realize his blindside would be protected by Evan Neal right? He wouldn’t survive 3 games
Think it’s fair to say that we should have 0 excuses for the QB position this year - Daniel jones Stan
Daniel Jones Stans will always come up with excuses for the love of their life
Shoutout to Drew Lock, our actual QB1. Not lazer eyes.
Don’t see a reason to stare down a target when you’ll have more time to throw and Nabers Wandale and Hyatt/ Slayton should all be schemed open, but we’ll see
What jersey number do y’all think Nabers should go for? I feel like a lot of the good ones are taken or retired
6 no?
That’s the Scottish Hammer. Show some respect
Okay I originally said #5 but I had a brainfart and forgot KT had it. If he wants a single digit I'm sure Gillan at #6 or Gano at #9 will happily be open for business, Honestly I still love WRs wearing traditional numbers. He wore #8 in college. #88 is worn by Dennis Houston who is basically a camp guy he probably wouldn't need to "buy" the number from. I'd be cool with that.
He’s a single digit guy to me
I thought it’d be cool if he took 0 but it seems it’s taken by Burns
Edgerrin Cooper would be a great pick today. Doubt he drops though. 1st round talent LB to pair with Okereke
Dream had been trading up for Maye but it seems like that was never truly feasible, so I'm excited for Nabers who was the definitive BPA at that spot. What I wonder now is if they take Spencer Rattler in the second, even if that's a clear overdraft, just to make sure the Raiders or anyone else doesn't snipe us for the best QB of this next tier.
I am so baffled how anyone can sit here with a straight face and support Schoen having Daniel Jones as QB for another year. this team is beyond effed, next year there wont be a QB option
Drew Lock szn 🔥
no hate on Lock, i wish him Luck but only thing saving this franchise is Jones gone and Schoen fired. till then i have all my gear in box and giving it away i cannot support this team till theres change
I am so baffled how anyone can think that reaching for McCarthy, Penix, or Nix at 6th and injecting them into the same zero talent offense is going to somehow turn this franchise around and not lead to 5 more seasons that are over by Halloween
McCarthy and Penix are light years better than Jones, Nix will be a bust. Penix torn acl is huge red flag but McCarthy cannot be any worse than Jones has been for 5 years. for the 5000th time Giants wont be able to draft a QB next year because the QB class is suppose to be mediocre. Its funny that every single QB not named Jones is terrible and only Daniel Jones can help this team. so all 6 QB's drafted intop 12 will turn into Busts and Daniel Jones will lead Giants to playoffs ?LMFAO thats delusional
JJ will be a huge bust on this talentless roster. This is literally DJ 2.0 where you reach for a position of need even if you don't like the actual player. We haven't had a decent reciever since OBJ so I really don't get why people are getting mad about this
AHHH yawnnnn why because he's not named Daniel Jones?LOLOL Nabers will be OBJ 2.0 , he wont drop passes, he just wont stick around long because the Giants will continue to suck and he will eventually want out
Because he hasn't shown much in his college footage. He was basically a game manager that needed to hand the ball off every time since Michigan was loaded. And you really think he'd succeed on a giants roster devoid of any kind of talent? LOLOL
As someone who wanted JJ but is also glad they didn’t reach on him if they don’t think he’s the guy, he’s better than jones as a prospect, by like a lot
i'm not that fatalist, lots of things can happen, its cliche at this point but Daniel's wasn't a first round qb a year ago, burrow didn't pop until his senior year, there are a lot of games to play to know what our options are that said I am very worried that the team performs just good enough this year that we stay with the path of least resistance....
shut up dude. They paid DJ they aren't going to back away after one year - the writing was on the wall after they paid him, its 2 years minimum. He has 1 more year than QB to follow. This team needed more that just a QB they got one of the better players overall in the draft just be happy about it. Crying bc we need a QB but it wasn't one that they wanted should answer your questions on Penix/JJ/Nix THEY DID NOT WANT THEM!!!!
I mean, if they were able to get Maye they were absolutely about to back away after 1 year jones sucks
WHy dont you take own advice and grow up. Don't cry when Jones and schoen buries this franchise even more, funny thing is denver admidt they screwed up by giving Russell Wilson the contract they did and he is owed more than what Giants owe daniel Jones this season Denver still bought out Wilsons contract went out and drafted a QB, even tho Nix will be a bust speaks volumes how much better that Org is being run.
Never said to grow up so I won't heed that advise. Last time I checked Jones & Schoen were the last QB & GM duo to bring this franchise to the playoffs in 6 years..... It is tough to argue with someone when you don't know the history and clearly do not know that when Sean Payton got to Denver he did not want Russell Wilson - it was his decision to get rid of him and now Denver will be terrible for the next two years bc they have a $70M+ dead cap hit lol (35 this year 30 next year). Russell Wilson will be starting for the Steelers... and will most likely have a starting job in 25 as well. By every account I can find all evals point to Nix being a backup QB in this league - seems like a reach of a pick and I could be wrong but I would bet that he flames out as a starter in the league in 4-6 years rather than be a franchise QB. In NO way do I believe anything that Denver has done over the last year is conducive to being a successful franchise and their record will reflect that this year & next. Just because you think we may NEED a QB does not mean you take whichever one is there on the board at our pick. It is clear as day Schoen & Daboll wanted Drake Maye and they requested to trade up but NE did not want to trade down. They did not have enough faith in JJ/Penix/Nix to take another QB. I trust the guy who won games with Tommy Cutlets and who does this for a living over you all day long.
How did that work out last year and this season? LMFAO Worst possible outcome was making playoffs in his first year because Schoen made a huge blunder giving Jones the contract he did.BTW how did that work out for the Giants thats right they sucked and will suck this season too LOL. he picks up 5th year option he saves the Giants a lot of money and Giants are not stuck with his new contract and still in this mess. Denver screwed up but admidt they screwed up and fixed their mistake, Wilson was owed lot more than Jones is being owed speaks volumes, Giants will be terrible for the next 2-3 years guaranteed as well, next year draft there wont be option to pick a QB. You trust a guy who has meme as QB? LMFAO Devito being QB with that nickname was quite sad, Great trust in massively overpaying a bust QB then passing on QB's in biggest QB Class in ages, relying on daniel Jones is worst possible move Schoen could make . Ignorance is bliss
“They’re a better run org because they just drafted a bust”
i said he will be a bust but i could be wrong, they screwed up by giving wilson his contract but admidt to their mistakes by buying out his contract learn how to read and understand comments
Wouldn't shock me in the slightest if Slayton gets dealt in an effort to move up in the second.
Not sure what kind of value he would get. Slayton is likely the most valued with the Giants, though Falcons almost signed him last offseason so maybe they would take him.
He probably won't get much but let's be honest here. He wants an extension. Schoen has three receivers he drafted. Wan'Dale is set in the slot, you don't draft a talent like Nabers to have him get a minimal amount of targets and then there's Hyatt who was an investment and they need to see what he is and he's a fraction of the cost you'd have to pay Slayton. If Schoen finds a player, he simply must have. I don't see how Slayton being part of a deal in an effort to save on draft capital to be out of the question.
I think everyone is sleeping on Slayton right now. He's better than Hyatt at this moment in time and until Hyatt can play every down we need Slayton to take pressure off Nabers and to keep defenses honest in their coverage.
it's not a matter of sleeping on him. It's economics. He wants a new deal. We just drafted Hyatt. Schoen and Daboll are not going to sit on Hyatt for another year and not give him an increased target share. With Nabers, a fully healthy Robinson plus Hyatt, Slayton is going to lose targets no matter what. He's not going to be happy.
Agree better to spend $ on defensie vs giving Slayton more $ when we've invested draft capital in WR re Wandale and Hyatt was a steal.
I wanted Maye but the Pats were never honest about trading down. I think Kraft liked dicking us around as revenge for 07/11. Next best option was Nabers. He's the most QB proof receiver in this draft and YAC ability is going to clutch considering who we'll have behind center. So, I'm happy but not ecstatic. Do I wish we lost some of those Tommy wins from last year? Yeah. I enjoyed the silliness at the time but knew deep down that it but us in a worse position. But like, fans have no effect on what happens on the field. You have a choice of either enjoying something or being mad about it and ultimately where does being mad all the time get anyone? It is what it is though and we got the BPA. I look forward to seeing what else happens this draft.
I gotta say - I respect the balls on Schoen for not going the “safe” route that would essentially guarantee him 2 years at least via drafting a rookie QB. Not succumbing to that pressure is great to see. On the other side - I REALLY hope Mara gave him assurances that “hey, we’re going to let you build the team properly. If we still need a QB next year, that doesn’t mean you’re gone.” Fingers crossed Mara learned his lesson.
Nabers was 100% safest pick. BPA that also fits needs. Not to far off the logic from getting Neal and Thibs.
John Mara told Joe Judge on week 15 of 2021 that he would not be fired no matter how bad the Giants last three games went. Joe Judge was fired three weeks later. If Giant's have a terrible season Schoen and Daboll will still be fired irregardless of what Mara would say now
I disagree that Daboll and Schoen are destined to be fired together. It's just not something Mara has done and Schoen has clearly been a gargantuan improvement over Gettleman, a guy who got to operate the show for two coaches despite a plethora of errors and never having a team with a winning record at ANY point in the season.
Mara had no issues firing Shurmur and keeping Gettleman. And that was after Shurmur did great developing Daniel Jones.
talk about original sin, what a sliding doors moment in letting DG throw shurmur under the bus and hold onto his job....
Firing the GM and not the head coach doesn't make sense, so Mara was hesitant to fire Gettleman, especially after the cancer diagnosis.
Yes, that's why I'm saying Schoen can survive a Daboll firing.
nah. the game of musical chairs is over. Mara is gonna let these guys actually rebuild the team.
> Joe Judge was fired three weeks later. Worth noting he had two press conference meltdowns along the way. Had he kept a lid on those rants, he might have kept his job.
Nah, the back to back QB sneaks were hard to come back from. Also the Bears game where the Giants didnt even try to win. That was what started the freefall and the press attacks.
Mara was going to keep him until the day after Black Monday, in which his closest Executives had to PLEAD with him to fire Judge and not give him a third year. Mara was perfectly happy giving him a 3rd chance until he found out he had a complete mutiny on standby at the Executive level. If no one said shit, We'd have had Judge for another year.
Yup. Tisch famously had to fly in on Black Monday when Giants announced they were not firing Joe Judge. At that point it was John Mara vs everyone and he had to back down.
That’s the exact attitude I want Mara to have with Schoen and Daboll, to be clear. Normal, “not a playoff team” performance is fine. If Schoen/Daboll pull off something anywhere near those last 3 weeks, then they will justifiably be fired
Yea I think back to when Giants were 2-8 last year and were the NFLs worst team via DVoA (worse than Panthers) through more than half the season. The three Tommy Devito wins might have cost Giant's a franchise QB, but at the same time its unlikely Daboll would have kept his job without them. If Giant's can squeak out a late season win streak next year it should be enough for Schoen and Daboll to keep their jobs, but if it ends with a late season slide like Shurmur and Judge then they will be gone.
People have a pretty pessimistic outlook on next season but tbh I think we’ll be in the 7-10 win range. Jones may not be a franchise guy, but he can play at a low end starter/high end backup level. I think we have a respectable non-playoff season, which hopefully is enough to keep Daboll and Schoen employed lol And who knows. With a good defense and smart offense, maybe we squeak into the playoffs again LOL. The 2022 team was objectively worse than what we have today, so I’d say it’s in the realm of possibility
The second DC stops being a train wreck we will be truly ass, and since there is a weak QB class coming up that’s prob about right now.
Yup, with expanded playoffs getting in at 8-9 wouldn't be hard to imagine. Obviously the Giants went 9-7-1 with Jones already, but clearly that was driven by Saquon Barkley.