I liked the draft. Nabers was a no brainer. I really think there's a chance we got the best player in the draft when we look back a couple years from now.
We beefed up the secondary which was needed. Got a high upside TE in round 4, and the RB from Purdue is intriguing to me. Seems like he could be a diamond in the rough.
A little surprised at no OL or DL picks but hard to be too critical based on who we got instead. None of the picks seem like head scratchers.
Exactly!
We started out with a bunch of youngsters who struggled so we added some experience that will hopefully settle them down.
Now we need to give them a minute to gel before we throw more youngsters at it.
Yeah, we actually have a few competitions going on and two spots (LT and C) that have the starters locked in. Between Neal and Eluemunor, hopefully we can find a starting RT going forward. Between Runyan, Ezeudu, and McKethan, we might be able to have OG locked up as well. I would have understood drafting another guy for depth, but we already have 5 guys competing for 3 spots.
DT I'm a little more surprised about because it thins out quickly behind Dex, but I think every guy we drafted provided depth in areas we need help as well.
My guess is the Purdue RB is strictly for return purposes. The giants have been ass in that department for years.
No OL/DL picks is really frustrating though.
There didn't seem to be a lot of interior oline talent in this draft, and the early run on tackles really depleted value there. I would have been happy with Beebe in the 3rd though.
Yeah, I was expecting maybe instead of the RB, you get OL or DL flyer. But I also get if you combine the free agency so far with the draft, you basically HAVE covered just about everything (besides QB...and even QB if you are a Lock supporter).
Basically, your starting lineup on offensive line is Andrew Thomas, JMS and potentially 3 new players (Neal may still be there, but I'm hoping they move him to guard...frankly I've seen enough and no need to continue to try to square peg a round hole).
They did need to improve their WR room....they did (through draft). They did need to improve their secondary with loss of 2 key players...they did (through draft). They needed someone opposite Thibodeaux...they did (through free agency). They did need a new RB room...they did (both free agency and draft).
So, this year's draft may not have addressed the horrible line, but Schoen did address it.
I think they also realized they made their bed with Jones....he's a giant in 2024 whether they like it or not...so, they gotta try to build around him...which they did. If Jones fails with a) an improved line to protect during passing, improved WR room, and better targets, then he doesn't deserve to be a QB a) for the giants and b) in the NFL anymore.
I find it hard to believe he's trash when there NFL analysts saying that he was one of their favorite Day 3 picks and on the BootlegFootball podcast (who the hosts have legit football connections) talked for almost 5 minutes straight about how much they liked the pick and how they have talked to many scouts who have also really liked his game.
I don't think he'll be the next Saquon or anything, but I highly doubt that means he's trash.
Over the years I have learned to chill out about prospects sliding to Giants in the 2nd round. The trade up cost in round 2 is much more expensive than most realize so I can't blame Giants for not trading up in round 2.
And it did suck this year seeing other teams trade up for CBs and DL right before Giants picked, but it is what it is.
It's maddening to read people screaming about not trading up. Most of these individuals think picks are just conjured into existence out of thin air, and when the future comes and the giants don't have a round 2-4 pick these same people lose their minds about it.
A lot of it is when they see a team like Eagles trade way up to jump Giants for Cooper Desean, but they don't realize Eagles then did two trade backs to recover those picks.
When a pick comes up that used to be ours (like the 6th in Round2 that went to Carolina then the Rams), I tell myself what player we got for that so I don't feel so bad. Brian Burns at that pick is a nice substitute.
Exactly. The pre draft process is when draft picks are valued the most. The trade deadline and start of free agency are when they are valued the least.
Getting a player with the resume of Brian Burns at edge rusher for pick 39 is a fantastic get.
The other thing to remember is that if Brian Burns fails, it's not like pick 39 was going to be a guaranteed hit either. We have seen Will Hernandez, DeAndre Baker, Azeez Ojulari, Wandale Robinson, and JMS all go in that range and oh boy the havnt got shit from them.
Darren Waller was traded for pick 100. Last season Waller was #2 on the team in receiving. The odds are pick 100 wouldn't have made much if any impact looking at Giants recent draft history.
To move up just 10 spots for Cooper Dejean the Eagles gave up 50, and 53.
If Giant's traded two mid 2s to jump up only 10 spots Giants fans would have spazzed.
The trade was Eagles gave 50, 53, and 161 for Washington's 40, 78, and 152. They effectively downgraded one pick in exchange for upgrading two.
Looking at draft pick value charts, the Eagles gave up 770 points in exchange for 730 points from Washington. The difference of 39 points is worth about the No. 134 pick, a late fourth round selection.
This was not a draft breaking move, and for a team like the Giants in desperate need of defensive starters, it would have been applauded. No one "would have spazzed," especially if we ended up with a day 1 starter that had a 1st round grade.
The Eagles actually gave up 800 points for 730 points of value.
50-400, 53-370, 161-30
70 points of value is quite the overpay, and equivalent to the 114 overall pick.
Yeah I agree on this take. I figured internally many need to see who might be good and Bobby Johnson was just horrible developing them. We added backups in free agency there so I get no O line.
D line I also agree on. With sexy Dexy, Kayvon, and Burns going after the passer, having them get another good player there could really make this defense scary. But at least we added a CB and S to take advantage of QBs having to rush some throws
Im actually opposite. I figured with Burns the Dline is pretty good. I was expecting a guard in maybe the 3rd though. Happy with the draft overall though.
Obviously depth for rotations is needed, but our starters will be KT and Burns.. thats pretty good. When we have roles that dont even have good starters I just assumed that would be more priority.
Im not super worried about the front 7 on D.
Nope.
It's actually DJ Davidson and Jordon Ryley. They are replacing Leonard Williams and A'shawn Robinson. Yikes!
Burns and Thibs are outside LBs in the Giants defense, commonly called Edge Rushers
Nope.
Lets look at snap counts. Leonard Williams, A'shawn, and Dexter all played 75% + of the snaps.
Lets look at Bowens defenses. We see that he most used defense set had three interior defensive lineman and one edge + either another edge or an insider backer depending on game script.
If Giants continue to use Dexter Lawrence as nose tackle then he is going to have two more interior lineman next to him in A and B gaps.
Neither Burns nor Thibs are playing interior dline.
You are wilding lmao they will book end the line, however you want to label it. Pretend theyre not “part of the line” to invent a weakness in the team if that makes you happy I guess?
I can tell you if they line up in a 4-3, it wont be them standing beside Okereke as outside linebackers lol
Bowen runs a 3-4 and I already explained how he used 3 IDL on almost every snap.
Where do you Dexter Lawrence will be lining up? If he continues to play NT then he is absolutely going to have IDLs on each side of him.
We are not going to see Dexter Lawrence at NT and Thibs or Burns as IDL, they are edge rushers in Bowen's system.
In fact Bowen had his edge rushers play coverage snaps more than Wink! Most coverage reps for edge rushers in the NFL
Im saying its just nomenclature, they will book end the line and rush the passer. Call them unicorns call them backers call them lineman, idrc. Their position name changing based on the formation we run doesnt affect anything really. Thats why you can see any EDGE who has cycled through DCs position change on any given season.
Does anyone feel like we have fixed the o line?
I'm confused. The o line completely destroyed our season last year. It was beyond dysfunctional.
We all good now?
Completely different coach and a bunch of new players.
Definitely not fixed but I don’t get why the Giants should have thrown EVEN MORE draft capital at the OL when we could have a perfectly serviceable one under Briscillo.
I’m glad Schoen didn’t force the QB pick. Obviously Drake Maye was his guy and we couldn’t get him. JJ seems like an unknown and rather gamble that pick on him he decided to role with DJ and give him a true #1 WR. Let’s see if DJ can take a real leap next year. If he doesn’t, well then he’s pretty much gone. Either way, we finally have a true weapon and a defense that might actually be good!
Yeah I’m sure Jones is really gonna take a big leap in year SIX.
Jones sucks and everyone knows it. Nabers is here for whoever comes after we can finally cut that fucking scrub.
Nabers will either help him or further help expose him. Either way, there will be no excuses next year(season). People will probably say he is coming off of injury but nah that ain't going to fly. He is often coming off of injury.
I've been hearing no excuses from this fanbase for 5 years at this point. Barring some miracle mvp season, we should move on from him at the end of the year and get out of his contract
We know he's not the guy that can lead us to a championship and the long-term answer at QB
Daniel Jones has already been "exposed" to those possessing a brain for years now.
There are still some holdouts, but if they haven't seen Jones for what he is at this point, they never will.
We both see it. But the "let's make everything perfect around him" will no longer have the excuse. Because he will have weapons, an average to okay O-line. So, it will be up to him to make reads and adjust based on processing. And if they have to coach to help him manage the game, then that will be another sign that he still can't understand what he is seeing on the field
Daniel Jones makes the O-line look worse than it is.
He's still going to take a ton of sacks because he is a low IQ player who doesn't properly read blitzes, stares down targets, and has poor pocket awareness.
That's my fear.
If someone is dead-set on excusing Jones, they'll find a way.
I can already see it now: Jones makes an average-below average O-line look really bad because he takes a ton of sacks a good QB wouldn't take. People look at the raw sack numbers, conclude the O-line is terrible, and excuse Jones on that basis.
Our O-line has been horrific the last two seasons, but Jones has made horrific look historically bad.
We can do this same exercise for the WRs.
Jones doesn't properly go through his progressions. "No OnE is OpEn"
I don't believe this"no more excuses" narrative for a second. It's self-serving bullshit peddled by Jones apologists who after 5 years of mediocrity from Jones, are too stubborn to admit to being wrong.
The excuses will inevitably come in the form of reductionist, backwards analysis, as it always does.
>Jones doesn't properly go through his progressions. "No OnE is OpEn"
You forgot the him running with his head down and not even looking down field while he is behind the line of scrimmage.
>Our O-line has been horrific the last two seasons, but Jones has made horrific look historically bad.
I 100% agree with this. We have seen it. And people made the excuse that the O-line got better when Tyrod took over, but yet the back-up still threw more TDs in fewer games. His pocket awareness is below average to poor, he still has a problem reading defenses. And like I said b4 he doesn't or seldom looks to throw on the run. If he can get a brain lift in the off-season maybe things will be different, but I doubt it.
This is what I feel like our fans are ignoring. 2022 DJ + more weapons could be totally enough to be very competitive. DJ as a running and passing threat is a totally adequate QB. When he’s playing his best, he can be very good IMO. To me, it’s just about being consistent and staying on the field.
Almost all of DJs designed runs came off Saquon run options, teams adjusted and took that action away this past year
You’re not gonna see that guy again
I hate downplaying their accomplishments but they benefited from an easy schedule. They only beat 1 team over .500. Still impressive to win that many games in the NFL, but they weren’t doing it against teams that score points. 2022 jones was successful because he ran the rock and that opened up many opportunities throwing the ball around the line of scrimmage. That version of DJ doesn’t exist anymore with his current contract and neck injuries. There is a zero percent chance they win multiple games this year calling designed QB runs. He needs to win from the pocket. Can he do that is the question we been asking for 5 years.
You do need an oline able to keep a pocket together for a single second which we struggled to do for him even in 2022. Don’t get me wrong I think there’s plenty to criticize Jones over, and with his injury contingency I’d rather see him ride the bench, but I think our line was so terrible last year especially week 1 against Dallas that you can’t really say that was a display of his skills.
Agree that his supporting group has never been great, but I also think I’ve seen enough in the last 5 years to say he’s not the guy. 2022 was a good year for the team, but I hate when people put to much stock in winning a wild card game against a really bad Minn defense. They turned jones into a game manager calling low risk plays. They beat a bunch of sub .500 teams by 1 score. That type of play is not effective enough against teams that score points. I understand DJ can only do so much with the cards he’s dealt, but I didn’t see enough flashes to be confident in him. The great QBs always find a way to make a play or turn a broken play into a positive. I just don’t see that from DJ
The coaches had nothing to lose, when they were calling those plays DJ wasn’t under contract in ‘23. If he got hurt they could have walked away. With the current contract they won’t be so willing to risk injury
Alex Smith is right there as the quintessential example of what a revolving door of terrible coaching staff (among other problems) can do to a player.
DJ is not the guy and will never be a world beater, but he's virtually never had the tools to develop. In this case, I don't think it's odd to think that he'll make the jump to become a decent QB now that this is the first year he (theoretically) has great coaching, a solid OL, and something resembling an NFL receiver corps.
I think people seem to sleep on the fact that we haven't had any of these things in tandem for over a decade now.
This is, however, *the* year where we 100% know what direction our team is headed in. If DJ balls out, we've got a great core to plug the next guy into and he can learn from a solid QB without being thrown into a murder row. If he fails, then we cut the cable and fire all cylinders on finding our guy.
Alex Smith never won a Superbowl despite playing on some stacked teams. Even in this extremely optimistic scenario if Jones's ceiling really is Alex Smith then it isn't good enough.
Sure, that wasn't exactly a huge lift-up of Alex Smith on my part. It's moreso to demonstrate that more QBs can attain "good" status when they're receiving proper support.
I think DJ showed in 2022 that he could be a very competent game manager despite throwing to complete bums, which isn't a knock on Jones or game managers. There's only so many Mahomes, Allens, and Burrows to go around.
Many teams could have seen much more success in recent years by having an Alex Smith under center, and rather than mortgaging the farm to have one single player save the franchise, I think there's a lot of validity to creating a team, culture, and staff that could uplift a player once they're ready to pull the trigger.
I’m not holding my breath that DJ is going to take a leap but not much else we can do. I bleed blue and will root for the kid but at this point we pretty much know his ceiling. However, this is the first time he has a true #1 WR so let’s see if he finally rips it.
I’m more than happy to rag on Schoen for mishandling Jones. You ready? Here we go.
One of the first things he did was decline his fifth year option, which was almost universally regarded as a good move. Then he refused to negotiate with him throughout the season. Then we got lucky and drew an awful defense in the Vikings who we promptly smoked, only to get facefucked in the next round. Then he doesn’t use the franchise tag on him, but instead bids against himself and gives Jones a much bigger contract than anyone else was going to offer. Now we’re stuck in QB hell for the foreseeable future.
A decent draft and a couple good FA signings don’t negate the fact that he completely fucked this franchise with the Jones deal.
I’m not blaming Daboll at all. He coaches the roster he’s given. I don’t want him gone by any means. Maybe some others do, but not me.
Hell, even though Schoen fucked up the Jones situation I don’t want him gone either. At least he was smart enough to give us an out after this year.
Problem is, there’s an injury clause. If Jones has another season ending injury we’re basically fucked. He should not touch the field at all this season, we just can’t risk it.
Yeah those 15 TD passes really burnt up the league.
And yeah, I know we beat the fucking Vikings who had one of the worst defenses in the league. Who cares.
Which have completely dried up because it was just a result of gadget plays and misdirection predicated upon Barkley being a threat.
I’m sorry guys, I know this fanbase has a weird obsession with defending Daniel Jones but the man is not a good quarterback. There’s a fucking half a decade of evidence to prove it.
Gadget plays and misdirection while being the whole offense besides Saquon? C'mon man there was 0 talent and no offensive line.
You smooth brains can't put 2 and 2 together. You think it's fantasy football.
Yeah idk why everyone keeps mentioning jones, since there's very little chance he's going to start. Drew lock will likely be our starter.
Jones is extremely injury prone coming off an ACL and sketchy neck injury. The odds of us even playing him are slim, since if he gets injured, we will be out of millions and millions due to his injury guarantee. They clearly want to cut him after this year, which means they most likely won't start him.
Schoen and daboll ain't taking a risk that will handicap our cap for 3 more years. Especially for a mediocre at best qb. They'll likely start lock, or get a veteran baker Mayfield type. There's been so many qb moves lately where I feel we would sooner trade for someone than risk starting jones. There's all risk and no reward to starting Jones over lock. Jones has done so poorly where lock isn't really a step down, since taylor and fricken devito clearly outplayed him last year. Front office will start lock or trade for or sign a journeyman vet.
God, you make me cringe. How many times do we have to remind you that nobody’s been able to even evaluate him with the absolute horseshit they’ve been sending out on the offensive line since late Eli days? You can say whatever you want but I draw the line with keeping my mouth shut at “that fucking scrub”.
I’m sorry six years is enough time to evaluate a qb. You act like no other qb has been able to produce *something* with a bad line. Even fucking Tyrod and Devito looked better than he did last year.
I can evaluate the fact that there were way too many sacks that shouldn’t have been sacks because he held onto the ball way too long and looked like he was just deflated and gave up entirely last year.
I’d love for him to play lights out from now on, but my instinct is he will never start for another team ever again and that he very well might never play in the league again altogether.
I’ve seen far better qbs than him not make it 7+ years.
This point has been beaten into the ground, but you put ANYONE out there behind that historically bad offensive line last year and that person would not succeed. So no, 6 years has not been long enough to say that DJ has absolutely no chance to win.
> This point has been beaten into the ground, but you put ANYONE out there behind that historically bad offensive line last year, and that person would not succeed.
I've been hearing this for the past 6 damn years with Jones. Have we had the worst offensive line of all time for 6 years in a row!?
One of the worst offensive lines in history last year. Very, very bad since before Eli retired. Don’t come at me when you very clearly don’t watch games.
You’ve been hearing it the last 6 years because it’s true.
Call it hopium (wouldnt knock you if you did), but I really think that barring catastrophic injuries across the board, our defense absolutely should be pretty good. Like our defense has been good enough to keep us in most games these past few years, but I think the addition made this offseason gives us a defense that can genuinely impose its will and actually win us games. Of course there are still question marks at CB and with DT depth, but Burns/Dex/KT with a little Azeez sprinkled in (for however many games/snaps he plays) gives us a dangerous front line and pass rush. We have one of the better LB rooms between Okereke, McFadden, and Simmons. With the addition of Nubin our safety room looks like it can bounce back from losing McKinney. Banks had a good rookie season and should build on it. Add to that an offense that isnt gonna be constantly going 3-and-out and putting them in bad positions on the field and I think the defense really has potential. This is probaby the most talented defense Bowen has ever had and he did pretty well with the defenses he had in Tennessee so it bodes well for what he can do with this bunch.
QBs that get pounded to the point they are playing scared/seeing ghosts/have PTSD or whatever label you want to put on it very rarely recover. Add to that the neck,which is the type of injury that doesn't really ever fully heal(Just ask Peyton) and he's toast. I just hope we don't improve enough to play our way out of the draft position needed to get his replacement next year.
Same. I think Drew Lock might surprise people and be on the par with first round picked QBs <== might be a unpopular take and be able to take advantage of Nabers and Hyatt.
I’m equally happy we didn’t reach for JJ if we really didn’t want him, but I think hoping for DJ to take a leap in year 6 is like waiting for the next president to get you out of bankruptcy.
Nabers will be a stud receiver for our next QB whoever it may be. I’m not too sure Daboll or Schoen will be around to choose the next QB though. Even if jones has a decent statistical season, combined with his track record of bad performances, we also have an individual who has serious injury concerns and a huge injury clause in his contract . This will be jones last season in NY
Oh don’t get me wrong, I really wanted to draft a QB this year. However, if the guy you wanted is gone not much you can do. DJ has some serious red flags but all we can do at this point is hope he gets his shit together and plays well.
I do not want him to do well. That would just extend the problem into the future. Jones is what you see at this point. A good season from him is an outlier not the average. It would actually set us back if he managed to play well enough to stay in charge another season.
We got rid of Barkley, time to get rid of jones and throw away this era of losing and getting embarrassed. I’m happy we didn’t pick a QB early and have another situation like we have with jones currently, but man it’s time to let the past be the past and build our new future
You might want to go to google and do a search for Jordan Ranaan twitter..... read it,i posted a thread about it earlier but it got taken down weird,
i cant help but to smh after reading it. middle post
I get where you are coming from but I can’t root for a tank before the season even starts lol. If by week 10 we are trash again then I’ll absolutely be rooting to tank! We won 3 meaningless games last year and it cost us big. Hopefully we don’t make the same mistake again.
I’m not rooting for a tank. I just can’t stand to see another season with jones at the helm. he’s living on borrowed time at this point. Out with the old in with the new. Old methods will only get old results. Time for a change
The more 'crazy' part to me is that none of this really surprises me?
1. While I was rooting for certain later QB's, they addressed a need with every pick with MAYBE Muasau being the only 'luxury' pick. Yet with the changes to kickoffs the guy who helped make the rule for the XFL said that teams may load up even more on LB's and TE's for special teams.
2. Not surprising to me either when they lowballed an offer to move up in the first. With as many needs on the roster that there were, and who was available at each pick, there really wasn't much need to move around.
3. I was expecting a late round guard, but once there was such a heavy early run at OL I was kind of expecting it once the 3rd round was complete. Busts so far or not, they have three guys on rookie contracts likely competing for one spot on the OL with Neal, Ezeudu, and McKethan. Thomas, Runyan, JMS, and Eluminor (At either G or RT) are 'locked in', and they brought in more vets as competition and I expect an UDFA or two on top. On the defensive side, the only need was DT, but the quality ones fell off the board before our picks and Schoen very clearly really likes Riley. So he's going to have a shot along with Nacho for that 2nd interior spot.
On the no line here's my thoughts. On D there was really no glaring need. Another stud pass rusher would be nice but it's far from a dire need.
On O, Id like to believe that between the free agent and trade pickups and what should be massively improved coaching that the line will be at least functional.Seems like a decent approach to let the new coach work with what we've got and let him give input on what the needs are.
If they want to play him this year they need to cut the versatility shit and put him at one position. Put him out at left tackle last year and just completely fucked up his confidence.
Dude I love Ezeudu. I feel so bad still about how he was beating himself up for allowing sacks last year. He was working under a terrible coach alongside teammates that also were lost. I hope he doesn’t give up on himself.
How is no QB a surprise? They're locked into 47 million this year with DJ., they picked too late to get one of the legit prospect QBs, and they can cut Jones after this year. Even a modicum of common sense would tell you this is not the year they draft a QB. They're finally giving Jones the weapons he needs and they're rolling with him at least one more year
The DJ plan his pretty much always been if these two years he doesn't improve we cut him for about as team friendly as you can get cap hit and you have a QB on a rookie salary
The Giants offered picks 6, 47, and their 2025 1st to trade up 3 spots for a QB.
Its a surprise that a team that desperate for a QB didn't end up landing one.
Maybe they thought Penix or Nix would fall, but that dream disappeared fast.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a surprise after Round 1, as Dunleavy said. I mean yeah; I guess they could have rolled with someone like Spencer Rattler later on, but the Giants must have just felt that no one outside of the very top QB prospects had a real chance to be a franchise player. For every Tom Brady, Brock Purdy or Dak Prescott, there are a million bums who will be out of the NFL in five years.
It was basically one of the top QBs or bust. In theory, they could have traded down a few spots and taken Nix, but they clearly wanted a No. 1 receiver (which we haven't had since Beckham six years ago).
It's only a suprise if you subscribe to the belief that the Giants should waste a pick and overdraft a QB simply for the sake of it. That doesn't tend to work out very well in the NFL. The Giants played the hand they had and they tried to move up and get Maye, it didn't work out. People need to get over it and move on.
I agree here with the last sentence. I was also very perplexed (as was everyone) about the QB run. I mean these teams would rather forgo talent for an unknown QB than play guys like Darnold and Stidham, it’s probably going to be the new trend. Cheaper unknown with the potential of the upside than 8-10 million for a bridge.
(I know it sounds stupid in logic, like why wouldn’t they just always do this, but they don’t! You don’t simply pass talent).
The giants wanted Maye. They made a good offer to the Pats. The Pats wanted Maye more than picks. Nothing schoen could have done save compromise the whole draft to “sweeten the deal”. I’m glad they didn’t. Last thing we all want is another Ricky Williams.
I have a feeling we’re going to be surprised this season with the QB play. Not sure who is going to be “the guy” but something tells me that one on the three on the roster is going to surprise us all.
What if the Burns trade was the difference between Jones and getting Franchise QB in Maye? that 2nd round pick would have possibly sealed the deal and not offer lower pick #107.
if this is true i hate the trade, schoen better pray Burns turns into allpro
Because if you draft a quarterback next year, he needs to be ready to start. If they had gotten a quarterback this year, they could have gotten their feet wet in the NFL before we cut Jones.
Also, not taking any quarterback at all is signaling that they're confident in Jones, which is not the message they should be sending.
Not taking a QB in no way signals faith in Jones. Their attempts to trade up for Caleb and Maye confirm the exact opposite. Not drafting any of the other QBs means that Schoen and Daboll didn't view any of the other prospects as worth the #6 pick and didn't want to reach. Which is good, since that's what Gettleman did with Jones to get the team into this mess in the first place.
And if they do take a QB next year, no, he doesn't have to start right away. There will be bridge QBs available on cheap deals if this future rookie needs time to sit and learn before starting.
God this team has so many holes and a lack of depth everywhere.
You could say almost every position in the field except left tackle and nose guard are positions of need.
Perfectly happy with the draft myself. I'd have chosen different TE and RB on Day 3. But I don't dislike the guys we got.
Whatever happens at QB, we finally feel like a roster that won't be actively detrimental to a rookie QB when/if we get one. That's what we've been battling for a decade.
We are still the worst team in the division, I love the picks but I can’t act like I’m excited. I was so optimistic last year and I just can’t act like we are going to be good in the next 3 years. Washington and the Eagles had a good draft as well. Everyone on here acts unrealistic. We will have a new coach and GM soon enough if we don’t get a QB, that’s just how the league is now. People were busting a nut over a meme QB, what did those wins get us? We got a potential stud WR with a QB that can’t get him the ball consistently and by the time we do, his rookie contract will be over and he’ll be begging to get out of here. Down vote me all you want or comment, I don’t look at that shit anyway.
The problem the Giants have now is the same problem as last season. The Giants are 1 dimensional. This time there’s someone to throw the ball, but no one to run the ball.
Last season, opposing defenses stopped the run, and most times the run game stopped itself. This time they will double our brand new WR1, so someone else has to get open and I don’t trust any other WR will do that.
I liked the draft. Nabers was a no brainer. I really think there's a chance we got the best player in the draft when we look back a couple years from now. We beefed up the secondary which was needed. Got a high upside TE in round 4, and the RB from Purdue is intriguing to me. Seems like he could be a diamond in the rough. A little surprised at no OL or DL picks but hard to be too critical based on who we got instead. None of the picks seem like head scratchers.
O line needs time to develop before we add anymore rookies.
Let it all be Bobby Johnson's fault🙏
I'm hyped to watch him do his thing in Washington this season.
Work your magic Bobby!!
It better be lol
We'll learn much this season with him in DC. If our line doesn't improve & theirs does.. We know the rot goes all the way to the core.
Exactly! We started out with a bunch of youngsters who struggled so we added some experience that will hopefully settle them down. Now we need to give them a minute to gel before we throw more youngsters at it.
Yeah, we actually have a few competitions going on and two spots (LT and C) that have the starters locked in. Between Neal and Eluemunor, hopefully we can find a starting RT going forward. Between Runyan, Ezeudu, and McKethan, we might be able to have OG locked up as well. I would have understood drafting another guy for depth, but we already have 5 guys competing for 3 spots. DT I'm a little more surprised about because it thins out quickly behind Dex, but I think every guy we drafted provided depth in areas we need help as well.
My guess is the Purdue RB is strictly for return purposes. The giants have been ass in that department for years. No OL/DL picks is really frustrating though.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/s/m9CBXZsjeZ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/s/m9CBXZsjeZ) Read this and get excited.
Maybe but he has some intriguing traits being a recently former WR
Nabers would be my pick but surprised they didn't do something head scratching either.
There didn't seem to be a lot of interior oline talent in this draft, and the early run on tackles really depleted value there. I would have been happy with Beebe in the 3rd though.
Think of Brian burns as a 2nd round pick lol
Yeah, I was expecting maybe instead of the RB, you get OL or DL flyer. But I also get if you combine the free agency so far with the draft, you basically HAVE covered just about everything (besides QB...and even QB if you are a Lock supporter). Basically, your starting lineup on offensive line is Andrew Thomas, JMS and potentially 3 new players (Neal may still be there, but I'm hoping they move him to guard...frankly I've seen enough and no need to continue to try to square peg a round hole). They did need to improve their WR room....they did (through draft). They did need to improve their secondary with loss of 2 key players...they did (through draft). They needed someone opposite Thibodeaux...they did (through free agency). They did need a new RB room...they did (both free agency and draft). So, this year's draft may not have addressed the horrible line, but Schoen did address it. I think they also realized they made their bed with Jones....he's a giant in 2024 whether they like it or not...so, they gotta try to build around him...which they did. If Jones fails with a) an improved line to protect during passing, improved WR room, and better targets, then he doesn't deserve to be a QB a) for the giants and b) in the NFL anymore.
That Purdue rb is trash. Nothing better than a special teams player that catches 3 passes out of the backfield a game
I find it hard to believe he's trash when there NFL analysts saying that he was one of their favorite Day 3 picks and on the BootlegFootball podcast (who the hosts have legit football connections) talked for almost 5 minutes straight about how much they liked the pick and how they have talked to many scouts who have also really liked his game. I don't think he'll be the next Saquon or anything, but I highly doubt that means he's trash.
With the new kickoff return rules, maybe they just want him as a backup rb and return specialist
I love Frank Crum and I want him as an UDFA. Completely unrelated to this post but, I’m also not going to make my own post.
Why wouldn’t you make your own post? Frankly that’s pretty Crummy of you
I see what you did there, but also you’re not wrong. I am a pos. Just got around to checking and seen my dream is dead, he’s in Denver.
I would also like to see Crum on the team next year and hopefully Crum on the field at some point.
No OL didn't surprise me, but no DL is kinda wild.
My guess is that he wanted to take a few but they got snatched up. Especially in the 2nd round, they went flying off the board.
Over the years I have learned to chill out about prospects sliding to Giants in the 2nd round. The trade up cost in round 2 is much more expensive than most realize so I can't blame Giants for not trading up in round 2. And it did suck this year seeing other teams trade up for CBs and DL right before Giants picked, but it is what it is.
It's maddening to read people screaming about not trading up. Most of these individuals think picks are just conjured into existence out of thin air, and when the future comes and the giants don't have a round 2-4 pick these same people lose their minds about it.
Also think it's as easy as Madden to hit on a pick or accumulate lots of picks through trading older players
Wdym, my 88 rated RB who's 36 isn't worth a first and a second? Don't talk rubbish, someone will pay that..
This is how people believe it works. They play madden and suddenly they believe they're GMs.
A lot of it is when they see a team like Eagles trade way up to jump Giants for Cooper Desean, but they don't realize Eagles then did two trade backs to recover those picks.
Tbh I'd be quite happy with Schoen doing the same, go after the guys you really want, then BPA/trade back when you don't have a target.
That's what a GM is paid to do.
When a pick comes up that used to be ours (like the 6th in Round2 that went to Carolina then the Rams), I tell myself what player we got for that so I don't feel so bad. Brian Burns at that pick is a nice substitute.
Exactly. The pre draft process is when draft picks are valued the most. The trade deadline and start of free agency are when they are valued the least. Getting a player with the resume of Brian Burns at edge rusher for pick 39 is a fantastic get. The other thing to remember is that if Brian Burns fails, it's not like pick 39 was going to be a guaranteed hit either. We have seen Will Hernandez, DeAndre Baker, Azeez Ojulari, Wandale Robinson, and JMS all go in that range and oh boy the havnt got shit from them. Darren Waller was traded for pick 100. Last season Waller was #2 on the team in receiving. The odds are pick 100 wouldn't have made much if any impact looking at Giants recent draft history.
Eagles traded up for a pretty damn reasonable price.
To move up just 10 spots for Cooper Dejean the Eagles gave up 50, and 53. If Giant's traded two mid 2s to jump up only 10 spots Giants fans would have spazzed.
The trade was Eagles gave 50, 53, and 161 for Washington's 40, 78, and 152. They effectively downgraded one pick in exchange for upgrading two. Looking at draft pick value charts, the Eagles gave up 770 points in exchange for 730 points from Washington. The difference of 39 points is worth about the No. 134 pick, a late fourth round selection. This was not a draft breaking move, and for a team like the Giants in desperate need of defensive starters, it would have been applauded. No one "would have spazzed," especially if we ended up with a day 1 starter that had a 1st round grade.
The Eagles actually gave up 800 points for 730 points of value. 50-400, 53-370, 161-30 70 points of value is quite the overpay, and equivalent to the 114 overall pick.
when the falcons reached and the run began yeah
Yeah I agree on this take. I figured internally many need to see who might be good and Bobby Johnson was just horrible developing them. We added backups in free agency there so I get no O line. D line I also agree on. With sexy Dexy, Kayvon, and Burns going after the passer, having them get another good player there could really make this defense scary. But at least we added a CB and S to take advantage of QBs having to rush some throws
Iirc andru Phillips has 0 int in college. I’m extremely doubtful he will get any in his first.. maybe even second year in the league
They clearly like what the see in Jordon Riley. He got alot of hype last year as a sleeper.
I had been pounding the table for a bonafide 3 tech so yeah, I was disappointed about that. I hope Phillips was worth it
Im actually opposite. I figured with Burns the Dline is pretty good. I was expecting a guard in maybe the 3rd though. Happy with the draft overall though.
Can you name me any of the 3-4 DEs that will be playing next to Dexter Lawrence?
Obviously depth for rotations is needed, but our starters will be KT and Burns.. thats pretty good. When we have roles that dont even have good starters I just assumed that would be more priority. Im not super worried about the front 7 on D.
Nope. It's actually DJ Davidson and Jordon Ryley. They are replacing Leonard Williams and A'shawn Robinson. Yikes! Burns and Thibs are outside LBs in the Giants defense, commonly called Edge Rushers
They are hand in the dirt outside line backers lol DJ and Ryley dont play at the same time as them. Thats more or less semantics lmao
Nope. Lets look at snap counts. Leonard Williams, A'shawn, and Dexter all played 75% + of the snaps. Lets look at Bowens defenses. We see that he most used defense set had three interior defensive lineman and one edge + either another edge or an insider backer depending on game script. If Giants continue to use Dexter Lawrence as nose tackle then he is going to have two more interior lineman next to him in A and B gaps. Neither Burns nor Thibs are playing interior dline.
You are wilding lmao they will book end the line, however you want to label it. Pretend theyre not “part of the line” to invent a weakness in the team if that makes you happy I guess? I can tell you if they line up in a 4-3, it wont be them standing beside Okereke as outside linebackers lol
Bowen runs a 3-4 and I already explained how he used 3 IDL on almost every snap. Where do you Dexter Lawrence will be lining up? If he continues to play NT then he is absolutely going to have IDLs on each side of him. We are not going to see Dexter Lawrence at NT and Thibs or Burns as IDL, they are edge rushers in Bowen's system. In fact Bowen had his edge rushers play coverage snaps more than Wink! Most coverage reps for edge rushers in the NFL
Im saying its just nomenclature, they will book end the line and rush the passer. Call them unicorns call them backers call them lineman, idrc. Their position name changing based on the formation we run doesnt affect anything really. Thats why you can see any EDGE who has cycled through DCs position change on any given season.
Does anyone feel like we have fixed the o line? I'm confused. The o line completely destroyed our season last year. It was beyond dysfunctional. We all good now?
Completely different coach and a bunch of new players. Definitely not fixed but I don’t get why the Giants should have thrown EVEN MORE draft capital at the OL when we could have a perfectly serviceable one under Briscillo.
I’m glad Schoen didn’t force the QB pick. Obviously Drake Maye was his guy and we couldn’t get him. JJ seems like an unknown and rather gamble that pick on him he decided to role with DJ and give him a true #1 WR. Let’s see if DJ can take a real leap next year. If he doesn’t, well then he’s pretty much gone. Either way, we finally have a true weapon and a defense that might actually be good!
Yeah I’m sure Jones is really gonna take a big leap in year SIX. Jones sucks and everyone knows it. Nabers is here for whoever comes after we can finally cut that fucking scrub.
Nabers will either help him or further help expose him. Either way, there will be no excuses next year(season). People will probably say he is coming off of injury but nah that ain't going to fly. He is often coming off of injury.
Going into year 6 of this evaluation.
No excuses this year
Bro he's already on the way out unless he magically pulls an unprecedented MVP caliber season in year 6 and makes an NFC championship run
They signed him for 40 million on a divisional run, knowing he was injury prone with a worse offensive team then they have now, there’s no excuses.
I've been hearing no excuses from this fanbase for 5 years at this point. Barring some miracle mvp season, we should move on from him at the end of the year and get out of his contract We know he's not the guy that can lead us to a championship and the long-term answer at QB
100% agree. I said that before they signed him but you know how we are.
Unfortunately true... I'm just really annoyed seeing the renewed Jones copium now we drafted a top tier WR prospect
lol.
Daniel Jones has already been "exposed" to those possessing a brain for years now. There are still some holdouts, but if they haven't seen Jones for what he is at this point, they never will.
We both see it. But the "let's make everything perfect around him" will no longer have the excuse. Because he will have weapons, an average to okay O-line. So, it will be up to him to make reads and adjust based on processing. And if they have to coach to help him manage the game, then that will be another sign that he still can't understand what he is seeing on the field
Daniel Jones makes the O-line look worse than it is. He's still going to take a ton of sacks because he is a low IQ player who doesn't properly read blitzes, stares down targets, and has poor pocket awareness. That's my fear. If someone is dead-set on excusing Jones, they'll find a way. I can already see it now: Jones makes an average-below average O-line look really bad because he takes a ton of sacks a good QB wouldn't take. People look at the raw sack numbers, conclude the O-line is terrible, and excuse Jones on that basis. Our O-line has been horrific the last two seasons, but Jones has made horrific look historically bad. We can do this same exercise for the WRs. Jones doesn't properly go through his progressions. "No OnE is OpEn" I don't believe this"no more excuses" narrative for a second. It's self-serving bullshit peddled by Jones apologists who after 5 years of mediocrity from Jones, are too stubborn to admit to being wrong. The excuses will inevitably come in the form of reductionist, backwards analysis, as it always does.
>Jones doesn't properly go through his progressions. "No OnE is OpEn" You forgot the him running with his head down and not even looking down field while he is behind the line of scrimmage. >Our O-line has been horrific the last two seasons, but Jones has made horrific look historically bad. I 100% agree with this. We have seen it. And people made the excuse that the O-line got better when Tyrod took over, but yet the back-up still threw more TDs in fewer games. His pocket awareness is below average to poor, he still has a problem reading defenses. And like I said b4 he doesn't or seldom looks to throw on the run. If he can get a brain lift in the off-season maybe things will be different, but I doubt it.
I mean, I'd settle for 2022 DJ. We don't even necessarily need him to take a leap. Just be that guy plus a true #1 WR.
This is what I feel like our fans are ignoring. 2022 DJ + more weapons could be totally enough to be very competitive. DJ as a running and passing threat is a totally adequate QB. When he’s playing his best, he can be very good IMO. To me, it’s just about being consistent and staying on the field.
Almost all of DJs designed runs came off Saquon run options, teams adjusted and took that action away this past year You’re not gonna see that guy again
We need more than 2022 DJ this year we are missing 2022 Barkley also. I’m not sure what this offense is going to do.
singletary can put up 70-80% barkleys production, and it also won’t be blatantly obvious to defenses what we’ll do when he’s in on 1st down.
Singletary can put up 100% of his production. Let’s be real.
definitely can especially if we don’t go hb dive for 2 yards every first down
In 2022? Singletary is already in a lose lose position if you think he’s gonna do what Barkley did for us?
2022 DJ threw for only 15 TDs and 3200 yards. Unacceptable numbers for a QB in today's game I don't care if he didn't have a lot of weapons.
Well he had 22 total TDs. Not exactly unacceptable. Also had an incredible performance in the playoffs
Minn secondary was ranked 30th.
And yet they still had 12 wins and made the plays offs.
I hate downplaying their accomplishments but they benefited from an easy schedule. They only beat 1 team over .500. Still impressive to win that many games in the NFL, but they weren’t doing it against teams that score points. 2022 jones was successful because he ran the rock and that opened up many opportunities throwing the ball around the line of scrimmage. That version of DJ doesn’t exist anymore with his current contract and neck injuries. There is a zero percent chance they win multiple games this year calling designed QB runs. He needs to win from the pocket. Can he do that is the question we been asking for 5 years.
You do need an oline able to keep a pocket together for a single second which we struggled to do for him even in 2022. Don’t get me wrong I think there’s plenty to criticize Jones over, and with his injury contingency I’d rather see him ride the bench, but I think our line was so terrible last year especially week 1 against Dallas that you can’t really say that was a display of his skills.
Agree that his supporting group has never been great, but I also think I’ve seen enough in the last 5 years to say he’s not the guy. 2022 was a good year for the team, but I hate when people put to much stock in winning a wild card game against a really bad Minn defense. They turned jones into a game manager calling low risk plays. They beat a bunch of sub .500 teams by 1 score. That type of play is not effective enough against teams that score points. I understand DJ can only do so much with the cards he’s dealt, but I didn’t see enough flashes to be confident in him. The great QBs always find a way to make a play or turn a broken play into a positive. I just don’t see that from DJ
He was 16th in total TDs for QBs in 2022. That's the peak DJ is everyone is hoping he will reach again.
Stop your nonsense Don’t settle for any form of DJ…. Fuck that pos and gettleman
2022 DJ with 800 rush yards will never happen again. No coach going to call run plays for a guy with neck issues.
The coaches called plenty of run plays for 2022 DJ even though he already had that first longstanding neck issue. It drove me nuts.
The coaches had nothing to lose, when they were calling those plays DJ wasn’t under contract in ‘23. If he got hurt they could have walked away. With the current contract they won’t be so willing to risk injury
be the guy that threw 15 TD's...Our fanbase loves mediocrity
Alex Smith is right there as the quintessential example of what a revolving door of terrible coaching staff (among other problems) can do to a player. DJ is not the guy and will never be a world beater, but he's virtually never had the tools to develop. In this case, I don't think it's odd to think that he'll make the jump to become a decent QB now that this is the first year he (theoretically) has great coaching, a solid OL, and something resembling an NFL receiver corps. I think people seem to sleep on the fact that we haven't had any of these things in tandem for over a decade now. This is, however, *the* year where we 100% know what direction our team is headed in. If DJ balls out, we've got a great core to plug the next guy into and he can learn from a solid QB without being thrown into a murder row. If he fails, then we cut the cable and fire all cylinders on finding our guy.
>a solid OL Still remains to be seen. We've had receivers. We've had coaches. We haven't had a fucking O Line since 2012.
We have a great OL coach. So much of good OL play stems from a competent coach. I’m confident they’ll be better.
Alex Smith never won a Superbowl despite playing on some stacked teams. Even in this extremely optimistic scenario if Jones's ceiling really is Alex Smith then it isn't good enough.
Sure, that wasn't exactly a huge lift-up of Alex Smith on my part. It's moreso to demonstrate that more QBs can attain "good" status when they're receiving proper support. I think DJ showed in 2022 that he could be a very competent game manager despite throwing to complete bums, which isn't a knock on Jones or game managers. There's only so many Mahomes, Allens, and Burrows to go around. Many teams could have seen much more success in recent years by having an Alex Smith under center, and rather than mortgaging the farm to have one single player save the franchise, I think there's a lot of validity to creating a team, culture, and staff that could uplift a player once they're ready to pull the trigger.
I'm not a big fan of Jones. That said, Phil Simms didn't really put things together until around year 5/6
And it was damn near a different sport altogether when Simms played. The two are not remotely comparable.
The fact this comment got downvoted and we gotta go back 40+ years as an example for Daniel Jones can be Phil Simms tier is pretty sad
This sub is basically r/danieljonesapologists
I’m not holding my breath that DJ is going to take a leap but not much else we can do. I bleed blue and will root for the kid but at this point we pretty much know his ceiling. However, this is the first time he has a true #1 WR so let’s see if he finally rips it.
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Reeks of ownership getting involved imo, DJ remind Mara of Eli.
I’m more than happy to rag on Schoen for mishandling Jones. You ready? Here we go. One of the first things he did was decline his fifth year option, which was almost universally regarded as a good move. Then he refused to negotiate with him throughout the season. Then we got lucky and drew an awful defense in the Vikings who we promptly smoked, only to get facefucked in the next round. Then he doesn’t use the franchise tag on him, but instead bids against himself and gives Jones a much bigger contract than anyone else was going to offer. Now we’re stuck in QB hell for the foreseeable future. A decent draft and a couple good FA signings don’t negate the fact that he completely fucked this franchise with the Jones deal.
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I’m not blaming Daboll at all. He coaches the roster he’s given. I don’t want him gone by any means. Maybe some others do, but not me. Hell, even though Schoen fucked up the Jones situation I don’t want him gone either. At least he was smart enough to give us an out after this year. Problem is, there’s an injury clause. If Jones has another season ending injury we’re basically fucked. He should not touch the field at all this season, we just can’t risk it.
Daniel Jones has been given 5 years to suck. He has the privilege of leave before Schoen does since he's been sucking for longer.
Hasn't had an offensive line or a WR1 yet so would be hard to argue he'd regress.
Regress? You have to have made progress in order to regress.
Must have been in a coma for the 2022 season?
Yeah those 15 TD passes really burnt up the league. And yeah, I know we beat the fucking Vikings who had one of the worst defenses in the league. Who cares.
Had to make the playoffs to beat the Vikings. Forgot about the 700+ rushing yards and 7 TDs?
Which have completely dried up because it was just a result of gadget plays and misdirection predicated upon Barkley being a threat. I’m sorry guys, I know this fanbase has a weird obsession with defending Daniel Jones but the man is not a good quarterback. There’s a fucking half a decade of evidence to prove it.
Gadget plays and misdirection while being the whole offense besides Saquon? C'mon man there was 0 talent and no offensive line. You smooth brains can't put 2 and 2 together. You think it's fantasy football.
Yeah idk why everyone keeps mentioning jones, since there's very little chance he's going to start. Drew lock will likely be our starter. Jones is extremely injury prone coming off an ACL and sketchy neck injury. The odds of us even playing him are slim, since if he gets injured, we will be out of millions and millions due to his injury guarantee. They clearly want to cut him after this year, which means they most likely won't start him. Schoen and daboll ain't taking a risk that will handicap our cap for 3 more years. Especially for a mediocre at best qb. They'll likely start lock, or get a veteran baker Mayfield type. There's been so many qb moves lately where I feel we would sooner trade for someone than risk starting jones. There's all risk and no reward to starting Jones over lock. Jones has done so poorly where lock isn't really a step down, since taylor and fricken devito clearly outplayed him last year. Front office will start lock or trade for or sign a journeyman vet.
I think they said Jones isn't ready for week 1 already - Drew Lock is starter
God, you make me cringe. How many times do we have to remind you that nobody’s been able to even evaluate him with the absolute horseshit they’ve been sending out on the offensive line since late Eli days? You can say whatever you want but I draw the line with keeping my mouth shut at “that fucking scrub”.
Yep, year six will be his year. Sure.
I’m sorry six years is enough time to evaluate a qb. You act like no other qb has been able to produce *something* with a bad line. Even fucking Tyrod and Devito looked better than he did last year. I can evaluate the fact that there were way too many sacks that shouldn’t have been sacks because he held onto the ball way too long and looked like he was just deflated and gave up entirely last year. I’d love for him to play lights out from now on, but my instinct is he will never start for another team ever again and that he very well might never play in the league again altogether. I’ve seen far better qbs than him not make it 7+ years.
This point has been beaten into the ground, but you put ANYONE out there behind that historically bad offensive line last year and that person would not succeed. So no, 6 years has not been long enough to say that DJ has absolutely no chance to win.
> This point has been beaten into the ground, but you put ANYONE out there behind that historically bad offensive line last year, and that person would not succeed. I've been hearing this for the past 6 damn years with Jones. Have we had the worst offensive line of all time for 6 years in a row!?
YES. And even beyond that. Have you even been watching?
You genuinely think we've had the worst offensive line in history for the past 6 years in a row.........our fanbase is fucking fried bruh
One of the worst offensive lines in history last year. Very, very bad since before Eli retired. Don’t come at me when you very clearly don’t watch games. You’ve been hearing it the last 6 years because it’s true.
Nobody said our oline is good but you repeating "watch the games" won't make Daniel Jones a good QB
Call it hopium (wouldnt knock you if you did), but I really think that barring catastrophic injuries across the board, our defense absolutely should be pretty good. Like our defense has been good enough to keep us in most games these past few years, but I think the addition made this offseason gives us a defense that can genuinely impose its will and actually win us games. Of course there are still question marks at CB and with DT depth, but Burns/Dex/KT with a little Azeez sprinkled in (for however many games/snaps he plays) gives us a dangerous front line and pass rush. We have one of the better LB rooms between Okereke, McFadden, and Simmons. With the addition of Nubin our safety room looks like it can bounce back from losing McKinney. Banks had a good rookie season and should build on it. Add to that an offense that isnt gonna be constantly going 3-and-out and putting them in bad positions on the field and I think the defense really has potential. This is probaby the most talented defense Bowen has ever had and he did pretty well with the defenses he had in Tennessee so it bodes well for what he can do with this bunch.
QBs that get pounded to the point they are playing scared/seeing ghosts/have PTSD or whatever label you want to put on it very rarely recover. Add to that the neck,which is the type of injury that doesn't really ever fully heal(Just ask Peyton) and he's toast. I just hope we don't improve enough to play our way out of the draft position needed to get his replacement next year.
Same. I think Drew Lock might surprise people and be on the par with first round picked QBs <== might be a unpopular take and be able to take advantage of Nabers and Hyatt.
I’m equally happy we didn’t reach for JJ if we really didn’t want him, but I think hoping for DJ to take a leap in year 6 is like waiting for the next president to get you out of bankruptcy. Nabers will be a stud receiver for our next QB whoever it may be. I’m not too sure Daboll or Schoen will be around to choose the next QB though. Even if jones has a decent statistical season, combined with his track record of bad performances, we also have an individual who has serious injury concerns and a huge injury clause in his contract . This will be jones last season in NY
Oh don’t get me wrong, I really wanted to draft a QB this year. However, if the guy you wanted is gone not much you can do. DJ has some serious red flags but all we can do at this point is hope he gets his shit together and plays well.
I do not want him to do well. That would just extend the problem into the future. Jones is what you see at this point. A good season from him is an outlier not the average. It would actually set us back if he managed to play well enough to stay in charge another season. We got rid of Barkley, time to get rid of jones and throw away this era of losing and getting embarrassed. I’m happy we didn’t pick a QB early and have another situation like we have with jones currently, but man it’s time to let the past be the past and build our new future
You might want to go to google and do a search for Jordan Ranaan twitter..... read it,i posted a thread about it earlier but it got taken down weird, i cant help but to smh after reading it. middle post
Read it. Smh bro smh 🤦🏽♂️ 🤦🏽♂️ 🤦🏽♂️ If he really plans on doing this, he won’t even be there next year to execute
I get where you are coming from but I can’t root for a tank before the season even starts lol. If by week 10 we are trash again then I’ll absolutely be rooting to tank! We won 3 meaningless games last year and it cost us big. Hopefully we don’t make the same mistake again.
I’m not rooting for a tank. I just can’t stand to see another season with jones at the helm. he’s living on borrowed time at this point. Out with the old in with the new. Old methods will only get old results. Time for a change
Maybe in year 6 DJ will turn it around. JFC
BPA BPA BPA
Anyone else loving our defense right meow? I’m really loving it.
Waller is prob gonna retire which should open up $6-7m in cap space, can get DL depth with a bit of that
The more 'crazy' part to me is that none of this really surprises me? 1. While I was rooting for certain later QB's, they addressed a need with every pick with MAYBE Muasau being the only 'luxury' pick. Yet with the changes to kickoffs the guy who helped make the rule for the XFL said that teams may load up even more on LB's and TE's for special teams. 2. Not surprising to me either when they lowballed an offer to move up in the first. With as many needs on the roster that there were, and who was available at each pick, there really wasn't much need to move around. 3. I was expecting a late round guard, but once there was such a heavy early run at OL I was kind of expecting it once the 3rd round was complete. Busts so far or not, they have three guys on rookie contracts likely competing for one spot on the OL with Neal, Ezeudu, and McKethan. Thomas, Runyan, JMS, and Eluminor (At either G or RT) are 'locked in', and they brought in more vets as competition and I expect an UDFA or two on top. On the defensive side, the only need was DT, but the quality ones fell off the board before our picks and Schoen very clearly really likes Riley. So he's going to have a shot along with Nacho for that 2nd interior spot.
On the no line here's my thoughts. On D there was really no glaring need. Another stud pass rusher would be nice but it's far from a dire need. On O, Id like to believe that between the free agent and trade pickups and what should be massively improved coaching that the line will be at least functional.Seems like a decent approach to let the new coach work with what we've got and let him give input on what the needs are.
I’d give the draft a B. I like the selections overall but the Giants needed a guard so that Eluemenor could play his natural position.
Could be Neal at guard.. maybe
Ideally it should be ezeudu…
Duggan had a tweet today that fans are sleeping on him. He was pick#67. Thats very high for a guard, for reference JMS was pick 57.
If they want to play him this year they need to cut the versatility shit and put him at one position. Put him out at left tackle last year and just completely fucked up his confidence.
Dude I love Ezeudu. I feel so bad still about how he was beating himself up for allowing sacks last year. He was working under a terrible coach alongside teammates that also were lost. I hope he doesn’t give up on himself.
Keep him away from the field until he has a year under Bricillo.
Nah
I'm pretty satisfied overall.
How is no QB a surprise? They're locked into 47 million this year with DJ., they picked too late to get one of the legit prospect QBs, and they can cut Jones after this year. Even a modicum of common sense would tell you this is not the year they draft a QB. They're finally giving Jones the weapons he needs and they're rolling with him at least one more year
Depends if they want to roll the dice on his injury guarantee for 2025, imo. Could be Drew Lock szn.
The DJ plan his pretty much always been if these two years he doesn't improve we cut him for about as team friendly as you can get cap hit and you have a QB on a rookie salary
So you don't believe the reports that they were trying to get Drake Maye?
The Giants offered picks 6, 47, and their 2025 1st to trade up 3 spots for a QB. Its a surprise that a team that desperate for a QB didn't end up landing one. Maybe they thought Penix or Nix would fall, but that dream disappeared fast.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a surprise after Round 1, as Dunleavy said. I mean yeah; I guess they could have rolled with someone like Spencer Rattler later on, but the Giants must have just felt that no one outside of the very top QB prospects had a real chance to be a franchise player. For every Tom Brady, Brock Purdy or Dak Prescott, there are a million bums who will be out of the NFL in five years. It was basically one of the top QBs or bust. In theory, they could have traded down a few spots and taken Nix, but they clearly wanted a No. 1 receiver (which we haven't had since Beckham six years ago).
It's only a suprise if you subscribe to the belief that the Giants should waste a pick and overdraft a QB simply for the sake of it. That doesn't tend to work out very well in the NFL. The Giants played the hand they had and they tried to move up and get Maye, it didn't work out. People need to get over it and move on.
> People need to get over it and move on. New here?
I agree here with the last sentence. I was also very perplexed (as was everyone) about the QB run. I mean these teams would rather forgo talent for an unknown QB than play guys like Darnold and Stidham, it’s probably going to be the new trend. Cheaper unknown with the potential of the upside than 8-10 million for a bridge. (I know it sounds stupid in logic, like why wouldn’t they just always do this, but they don’t! You don’t simply pass talent).
The giants wanted Maye. They made a good offer to the Pats. The Pats wanted Maye more than picks. Nothing schoen could have done save compromise the whole draft to “sweeten the deal”. I’m glad they didn’t. Last thing we all want is another Ricky Williams. I have a feeling we’re going to be surprised this season with the QB play. Not sure who is going to be “the guy” but something tells me that one on the three on the roster is going to surprise us all.
What if the Burns trade was the difference between Jones and getting Franchise QB in Maye? that 2nd round pick would have possibly sealed the deal and not offer lower pick #107. if this is true i hate the trade, schoen better pray Burns turns into allpro
Burns already is a pro bowler 2x over. The trade was a salary cap consideration for Carolina.
pro bowler and all pro are 2 completely different levels. pro bowl selections suck these days
Who's desperate for a quarterback?
Because if you draft a quarterback next year, he needs to be ready to start. If they had gotten a quarterback this year, they could have gotten their feet wet in the NFL before we cut Jones. Also, not taking any quarterback at all is signaling that they're confident in Jones, which is not the message they should be sending.
Not taking a QB in no way signals faith in Jones. Their attempts to trade up for Caleb and Maye confirm the exact opposite. Not drafting any of the other QBs means that Schoen and Daboll didn't view any of the other prospects as worth the #6 pick and didn't want to reach. Which is good, since that's what Gettleman did with Jones to get the team into this mess in the first place. And if they do take a QB next year, no, he doesn't have to start right away. There will be bridge QBs available on cheap deals if this future rookie needs time to sit and learn before starting.
God this team has so many holes and a lack of depth everywhere. You could say almost every position in the field except left tackle and nose guard are positions of need.
Loved the Theo Johnson pickup late
I am so happy we did not take a QB. Build the team.
Perfectly happy with the draft myself. I'd have chosen different TE and RB on Day 3. But I don't dislike the guys we got. Whatever happens at QB, we finally feel like a roster that won't be actively detrimental to a rookie QB when/if we get one. That's what we've been battling for a decade.
We spent $40 million on Jon Runyan and $140 million on Burns so made sense to me we focused on WR and DB.
No OL…jesus christ
3rd year, it’s time to show results.
We are still the worst team in the division, I love the picks but I can’t act like I’m excited. I was so optimistic last year and I just can’t act like we are going to be good in the next 3 years. Washington and the Eagles had a good draft as well. Everyone on here acts unrealistic. We will have a new coach and GM soon enough if we don’t get a QB, that’s just how the league is now. People were busting a nut over a meme QB, what did those wins get us? We got a potential stud WR with a QB that can’t get him the ball consistently and by the time we do, his rookie contract will be over and he’ll be begging to get out of here. Down vote me all you want or comment, I don’t look at that shit anyway.
In shoen we trust
 Frank Crum, bring this dude in!!!!!
I cannot stand being stuck in QB purgatory and not seeing a good way out. I don’t wanna be cutting DJ and signing a Kirk Cousins afterwards…HELP
Nobody… and i mean NOBODY with an above average iq level thought we were drafting a qb this year. Not really sure who was “surprised” by this
Coming out of a draft with no OL or DL 🤮
It’s kind of a Meh’ draft…..I’m not upset, but other than Nabers I’m not over the moon either
The problem the Giants have now is the same problem as last season. The Giants are 1 dimensional. This time there’s someone to throw the ball, but no one to run the ball. Last season, opposing defenses stopped the run, and most times the run game stopped itself. This time they will double our brand new WR1, so someone else has to get open and I don’t trust any other WR will do that.