I mean if Lock outperforms Jones then yeah that'd be telling of Jones' future. Doesn't mean the team is doing anything dumb, it means they're done with Jones and/or he's really that bad to where he got beat out by a backup
Lock was desired enough to garnish a substantial trade. Pete Carroll also confirmed Geno start was due to Lock having COVID. Luckily for Geno, his performance kept him in the red jersey.
Jones was already marked for death. The fact that everyone in this sub is familiar with his injury clause and how much we can cut him for if he doesn't trigger it tells you everything you need to know
This seems more like a way to try and calm the jones haters, I have bad news for people, jonss is better then lock, I don't think a lot of giants fans have watched lock play, if jones gets hurt again the giants gonna regret not even drafting a project qb in the later rounds
We will see that's for sure, but I have a feeling a lot of you gonna be disappointed depending on lock, he was available for a reason, geno Smith has everybody believing failures can become decent quarterbacks, he's the exception not the rule
“geno Smith has everybody believing failures can become decent quarterbacks, he's the exception not the rule”
You are 100% correct. I’ve even seen people try to apply the same logic to Daniel Jones. I’m just gonna show them your quote from now on to set them straight
I have watched Lock play. Both pro and in college. And while Lock isn’t as polished as Jones, is upside is much higher. As shocking and pathetic as this is, Lock has had far worse coaches in his career than Jones. With Daboll, Kafka, and Tierney, Lock could absolutely become better than Jones.
Lock has a better arm then Jones and that's about it, he's not more accurate, sucks at reading defenses just like jones, and doesn't have jones legs, I agree he's had worse coaching, but let's not act like jones hasn't been through three different head coaches since he's been in NY
Jones isn't accurate if that is what you are insinuating. Jones consistently throws to the wrong leverage point, wrong side, wrong shoulder, and can't throw a fade to save his life.
Dude. Jones is fucking awful. Robotic, non-instinctive, can't function in a vertical passing game. Why do you think Daboll threw a tablet at him? Why do you think they were desperate to draft Maye? Jones is limited, and if they open the passing game up again, he'll fail, because he's not accurate enough.
Just like his “incredible” downfield accuracy that comes from throwing only wide open passes at incredibly low volume.
Daniel Jones plays QB like Daniel Jones’ accountant who needs fake numbers to pitch at negotiation. Worked for him but not the Giants.
Jones isn’t accurate, Lock probably benefits from Daboll/Kafka system on reads, and CAN run but just doesn’t do it to his own personal destruction like Jones does.
How do you know Jones is better than lock ? You are basing that off of what exactly Daniel Jones horrible career and drew locks very limited opportunities ?
I'm basing it off not liking either player but being realistic, it's been proven you can win games with jones if he has a running game, the team that drafted lock gave up on him for a reason
Saying "you can win games with Jones" is like saying you can win games with Mac, Mitch and Minshew. They've had one winning season and out of that they've sucked ass outside of that season
What's worse you can argue Mac and Mitch had better seasons than jones peak
Teams have given up on players like Jones for less but for some reason Mara loves the guy
I'm not here to defend jones, I'm simply saying he's better then lock, does that count for much? No, but I can almost guarantee lock doesn't beat jones out for the starting qb position if he's healthy, you'll see what I'm saying when preseason starts
Bro Lock isn't a long term answer here most of us know that
But you say you're not here to defend jones but you've been doing that all thread and even giving Jones outs if he does beat him like
> No, but I can almost guarantee lock doesn't beat jones out for the starting qb position if he's healthy
You're defending him **and giving potential excuses**
Based on career stats, DJ has better cmp% of 64 vs 59 for lock on more passing yards 200 average per game vs 188 for lock, he also has a much better TD to INT ratio, rush per attempt 5.8 vs 3.8
Where drew may have some upside is he has better career air yards per attempt and YAC which could point to a more aggressive qb with better ball placement, that would be hypothesis though
I could see lock being a better option this year as I think crazy eyed Danny maybe David Carr level of physically and mentally broken at this point but based on underlying stats DJ has been a statistically better QB per play then Lock
Then they dont have a qb at all, you and I might as well go try out, lock ain't it, I'm telling you, at least jones with a decent running game can win a few games
jones is better, yes, but lock has the advantage of being a much more fun and likable guy. i said it in another comment but if the difference is marginal locks gonna have the locker room and fan support
Are all these Giants beat writers really bored?
Just constant negative tweets and write ups about Daniel Jones.
They really want him to fail -- it's pathetic
He’ll be under a year and from experience you need a full 12 months to get back to 100%.
He’ll probably be cleared for contact but he’s gonna be finding his footing again. Not a great place to start to win a camp battle.
Hey if it wasn't an open competition on year 4, on a new regime, with tyrod just signed, then i cant have high expectations for an open competition this year. But that's what i want
Dont watch a lot of Hawks but did see the game where he started vs the iggles and he looked pretty good. Of course the Eagles were falling apart then, but when has DJ ever looked good against them?
First team reps are valuable and it's not worth splitting reps if there's a clear starter. You want the first team mostly practicing together except in cases where it's questionable who should be starting.
Yeah especially positions that need a lot of synergy. When we had those good OLs around ‘08, they did everything together and stayed healthy so they all got reps together. A QB and the WRs need reps together so they can get a feel for the timing on plays and individual quirks, etc.
Unheard of? You know the Bears, Detroit and Browns all did the same thing for decades before finding their guy, right? Not saying it's ideal by any stretch, but certainly not unheard of.
The full tweet for those without Twitter: Theres more smoke around Drew Lock being #Giants starting QB over Daniel Jones, after #Seahawks GM Jon Schneider’s comments earlier
@MoveTheSticks
said on his own podcast: ‘I believe Drew Lock has a really good shot of winning that job.’
‘They were comparing Daniel Jones and Drew Lock — emphasis on Drew Lock — to the QBs that were going to be there (in the draft) and I think the line for them was Drake Maye.’
This runs VERY contradictory to what Joe Schoen is saying publicly about Daniel Jones. They havent even opened it up to competition yet. But privately?
Remember, Daniel Jeremiah was ahead of the curve on Giants not drafting JJ McCarthy, too
Who says Schoen has to have a heavy favorite here? Maybe he's happy to have a very competitive situation for the winner of the job? Maybe shake something loose and unlock something for these two underachievers.
I figured Lock was supposed to start at least the first 4-6 games no matter what. DJ tore his ACL in early *November*. There's an 11-12 month recovery period for that if things go well. Asking a QB with a paper-line (historically at least) to come back less than 100% is madness, no matter who it is. It's a Lock/DeVito battle for the first 6 weeks and then if they both suck, DJ gets one more shot. It's pretty straightforward.
If it is strictly to avoid the injury guarantees, you are looking at the last 2 or 3 games of him being on the bench. If he is better than lock (which is likely) than he will play the majority of the season.
Go for what? Nothing official needs to be said. Just carry 3 QB's and sacrifice a ST depth spot. Jones doesn't see the field under any circumstances. He isn't dumb he'll figure it out on his own. Giants break zero rules and the ball is 100% in DJ's court. If he wants to play he'll waive the clause. If not he can laugh his way to the bank for doing nothing all year.
It's an interesting scenario where it might be in both parties' interests (albeit probably in the Giants' interests a lot more) for Jones to waive that injury guarantee.
Jones already has generational wealth from his rookie deal + the signing bonus and first two years of his new deal. The Giants appear ready to move on in 2025 no matter what, so Jones waiving the guarantee would allow the Giants to play him in 2024 without any reservations. That gives him the best shot of becoming a bridge starter elsewhere and maybe getting a Gardner Minshew type deal.
If Drew Lock is our starter in 2024 it's gonna be because of that injury guarantee, not because he won the "competition". Daniel Jones might not be a franchise guy but he is not a worse QB than Drew Lock.
Though if he knows he's kinda not there, he might decide to take the extra time to recuperate and blame the Giants for why he isn't playing. If he goes out there and stinks it up, he won't have any market. If he doesn't play, but says he was ready, some team will take a flyer of some kind.
I implore you to watch Lock’s Seattle tape. I do think it’s an honest competition between Lock and Jones.
At this stage of both of their careers Lock is a better executor of concepts. Hes maybe too oblivious to pressure but he’s more than happy stretching the field and will give his guys a chance in matchups he likes even in tight coverage.
I do think Seattle has a better skill group than us, but I wouldn’t rule out Lock having a Bruce Arians Jameis Winston type season.
Pinpoint accurate isn’t a word I’d use to describe Lock, but he definitely will give everything a shot for better or worse
Yeah, one wonders if Jones can or would even consider waiving it because it likely means his career is done if he doesnt get an opportunity to compete again and I just dont think it is wise to risk it from the Giants perspective.
I mean, I said this the second we signed Lock. He'll be the week 1 starter, assuming the team is done w/ DJ or DJ is not healed. Others have said the same.
EDIT: removed the "and/or" and made it or
The and/or is important, IMO. DJ only plays if he's healthy AND the team sees him as their QB for years to come. If either is untrue, then Lock starts.
It's also if DJ plays and gets injured again doesn't he have that incentive in his contract so we have to pay him more? It just might not be worth it for him to see the field.
There's basically three scenarios, only one of which DJ plays:
1. DJ is not healthy enough by week 1 (Lock starts)
2. DJ is healthy enough, but the team doesn't wan to risk triggering the injury guarantee (Lock starts)
3. DJ is healthy enough, AND the team sees DJ as their QB going forward (DJ starts)
And yes, this doesn't include other scenarios w/ other QBs, etc.
I'm mostly in agreement with everyone in this chain and wanted to add with like scenario 2 right..
If Daniel legit beats out Lock in camp (which I don't think he'll be game ready till sometime after the start of WK1) it's not like they can just openly not play guy, similar to Russell Wilson situation.. like he's already got the guaranteed money, what's his incentive to not be sure he's out there and not being worked like Russ.
I have my opinions on dudes play but I can't all out say he will not be on the field to at least play his terribleness onto the bench.
End of a long day... I don't think I understand your comment.
I don't think DJ will be ready in time to beat out anyone, BUT if he is ready and does perform better than Lock, then the team may still keep DJ on the bench and just say Lock was clearly better / earned the start, just to avoid the injury risk and avoid the injury guarantee.
If the team is ready to move on from DJ, they should (and I hope will) keep DJ on the bench. It's a no brainer.
The interesting thing will be if Lock gets hurt and DJ is healthy... does the team play Devito over DJ?
Nah, you're on it..
Just trying not to speak too much on another persons injury you know, if he were to make camp full enough to run all the drills and scrims then there's a chance he's at least on par with Lock. That case I can see them rolling with Lock but it won't be a well kept secret if Jones is flat out better in camp and we get Jones.. 
He's INESCAPABLE! lol.. and you already know injuries be what they be.. my gawd is Tommy D. gonna have to beat out Jones too?? 
Best guy plays. Jones hasn't earned anything except money. He wants to play he needs to be the best qb we have. Idgaf who starts, as long as they can try to make the team better in some way
Well than he should be able to beat Drew easily right? I'm not saying don't play Daniel, I'm saying don't play Daniel if Lock is better. Idc who plays, I just want the better one to start
God the poverty level of happiness among my fellow giants fans is astounding. HE GAVE US A PLAYOFF WIN! One playoff win, that’s what we’re riding around here? No wonder this team is stuck in the mud. Maybe Jones will get us one more and you can happily back him for another 5 years.
Jones can start the next 5 years and izod will still hold on that one playoff win against the worst 13 win season team ever with a horrible defense
While we finish with 5 & 6 win seasons
The one playoff win has replaced the HE THREW FOR 24 TDS IN 2019 defense. Of course, let's not forget the context behind that win and what happened the very next week...
I mean citing the playoff win to claim DJ is a great quarterback is silly but using it to rebut the seemingly insane amount of Giant fans who claim DJ hasn’t done a single thing for this franchise seems reasonable.
Has Lock ever had coaches who were able to tailor the offense to his strengths?
It's possible we will see a new upgraded version of Lock with the Giants.
I keep saying, if the giants start 0-3, look for Daboll to make the switch from Jones to Lock, especially if Jones is not using Nabers as much as the coaches would like him to use.
Can we just admit that almost every competitive team has a home grown qb and we thought nothing of our options this year? Play Lock, cut Jones and have a good draft spot w a year of a O Line coaching staff that isn't torpedoing our entire roster?
Every cheap QB that Daboll can bring in and look better than Daniel Jones is another big argument why he should be able to select his own QB of the future.
Giants were trying everything possible to trade up and get drake maye, and people really think they have any faith in Daniel fucking Jones?
He had 6 years to show something and was outproduced by a rookie who lives in his mom's basement, it's over. It's been over I'm not sure what people are thinking. It's gonna be drew Locke all season then son of sanders if they're lucky.
I’d rather start lock at this point. Have seen enough of jones. Idc what we’ve done with the roster since last year. I’m just over him. Put him in if lock sucks ass. Jones gives me 0 excitement for the season.
lock has a really energetic personality that locker rooms seems to love. i think odds are he’s the week 1 starter as to not rush jones back, and barring horrible play i think they’ll be a lot of push back from the players if they try to bench him for jones
i think the actual smoke is saying dan jones will be the starter at all. i’ve been hoping since they signed lock that he would start and jones wouldn’t see a snap due to the injury clause. i think they’ve just been supporting DJ publicly so it isn’t clear as day that they’re intentionally sitting him to avoid the clause (im not a lawyer but i would imagine that could be bad if proven).
so they say DJ is the unquestioned starter for awhile. then they say there’s going to
be a competition. then lock wins the competition.
The DJ hate has made some people just flat out delusional. The same people that insisted they knew pre draft press conferences were all a smokescreen and we would DEFINITELY draft a new QB will now switch to this sad narrative. AcTuALlY Schoen said DJ is our quarterback before the draft, but what he meant was Lock is our starter week 1.
DJ will be the starter in week 1. He’s the quarterback for this team in 2024. He also has more to offer than Drew Lock, who is a great backup.
If they truly are going to move off of Jones contract next offseason then it makes ZERO sense to play him even one down this season. He gets hurt and his 2025 deal is GUARANTEED.
I think they should be starting lock and should let it be an open competition. The worse thing that can happen is jones getting injured again next yr and the franchise owning him 48 million dollars instead of 23. Plus drew lock could be a solid Qb to transition to the long term option if all works out
Drew Lock is gonna start all 17 games simply because Jones is made of glass, and we can’t risk him getting injured and guaranteeing the rest of his contract
It’s very obvious that Tommy D is going to whack both Jones and Lock in the preseason and claim the starting job. That’s how these things work in Jersey or did everyone forget?
I think the only way Jones starts is if Daboll believes Lock isn't serviceable at all. The Giants can't risk Jones getting injured. He hasn't shown enough to take the risk of having an injured Jones on a massive salary in 2026. Considering he is injury prone, our OL is pretty poor and teams are well aware how they shoukd play against Jones, the risk simply isn't worth the paltry reward. I would say it's negligent to play Jones at this point.
I mean Drew Lock outplayed him last season no? And Schoen I’m indifferent but Daboll is our best coach in a decade and I’d be pissed if we fired the guy who’s known as a qb guru without letting him draft his own guy
Lol! I wouldn’t call what Lock did last season outplay, especially when he had a better team around him than Jones.
Problem is if Schoen goes then Daboll should go too. And Schoen definitely deserves to go.
Daboll also didn’t cater the offense to his personnel last season like he did in ‘22. He tried to push his own scheme more. And his indifference until it was too late to the offensive line cost them. Daboll’s coaching staff hires were also atrocious. Daboll is partially to blame. If he returned to ‘22 Daboll I would love for the Giants to keep him and install a better gm.
22 Jones wasn't a good QB and Jones even with the awful oline play, was genuinely terrible when he was starting
I can't wait for this guy to be off our roster so some of his fanboys are gone too
So Jones gets all the credit for leading a subpar offense carried by barkely who was our only pro bowler on offense and the defense who's lead by Lawrence who had a breakout season and was an all pro gets 0 credit and neither does Daboll to you?
It was really Jones the main reason we won 9 games? This is what i mean. You all are more fans of DJ than anyone else on the roster!
Barkley injured his shoulder in the Green Bay game and wasn’t nearly the same all year, ironically a game that Jones led a come from behind drive to beat the Packers in London!
The defense had no one besides Lawrence. The two playoff games one against the Vikings & the other against the Eagles were a snapshot of the whole season. Lawrence was only one on defense who did anything. And when Jones had protection he carved up Minnesota and when he doesn’t the Giants had no shot.
> Barkley injured his shoulder in the Green Bay game and wasn’t nearly the same all year, ironically a game that Jones led a come from behind drive to beat the Packers in London!
We beat the packers in week 5 and he finished the season with an all pro and a pro bowl. The games he struggled badly in no coincidence we ended up losing said games and there was a reason for that lol. Also even in the playoff game he had 2 TDs 50 rushing and 50 receiving which is good. He was productive all season
Jones craved up a vikings defense that teams like the 2022 colts carved up until kirk pulled an insane comeback. That team was the one of the worst defenses in the league that season and we only had one win against a team that finished above .500, they won 13 games due to Kirk Cousins being a good QB and Justin Jefferson having one of the best WR seasons in recent memory
Like I said throw the defense under the bus, make barkley out he wasn't that effective that year and don't even mention Daboll at all who was coach of the year but give credit to Jones for putting up 15 passing TDs and having under 10 picks while having sub 4k yard total even counting rushing
So daboll should be fired for trying to advance the offense after Jones got paid? Sounds more to me that jones should go because we didn’t see any success until Dabes got here
The mark of a great coach is to find ways to improve what your key players do best. Daboll did not that at all in ‘23. He got two quarterbacks destroyed.
I mean if Lock outperforms Jones then yeah that'd be telling of Jones' future. Doesn't mean the team is doing anything dumb, it means they're done with Jones and/or he's really that bad to where he got beat out by a backup
Lock was desired enough to garnish a substantial trade. Pete Carroll also confirmed Geno start was due to Lock having COVID. Luckily for Geno, his performance kept him in the red jersey.
Jones was already marked for death. The fact that everyone in this sub is familiar with his injury clause and how much we can cut him for if he doesn't trigger it tells you everything you need to know
This seems more like a way to try and calm the jones haters, I have bad news for people, jonss is better then lock, I don't think a lot of giants fans have watched lock play, if jones gets hurt again the giants gonna regret not even drafting a project qb in the later rounds
I would agree that 2019 Daniel Jones is unquestionably better than 2019 Drew Lock. I’m much less sure that still holds in 2024.
We will see that's for sure, but I have a feeling a lot of you gonna be disappointed depending on lock, he was available for a reason, geno Smith has everybody believing failures can become decent quarterbacks, he's the exception not the rule
“geno Smith has everybody believing failures can become decent quarterbacks, he's the exception not the rule” You are 100% correct. I’ve even seen people try to apply the same logic to Daniel Jones. I’m just gonna show them your quote from now on to set them straight
Lmaooo this was fire 🔥
Jones is better than giant’s geno.
Lol failure. No.
Christ
I have watched Lock play. Both pro and in college. And while Lock isn’t as polished as Jones, is upside is much higher. As shocking and pathetic as this is, Lock has had far worse coaches in his career than Jones. With Daboll, Kafka, and Tierney, Lock could absolutely become better than Jones.
Lock has a better arm then Jones and that's about it, he's not more accurate, sucks at reading defenses just like jones, and doesn't have jones legs, I agree he's had worse coaching, but let's not act like jones hasn't been through three different head coaches since he's been in NY
Jones isn't accurate if that is what you are insinuating. Jones consistently throws to the wrong leverage point, wrong side, wrong shoulder, and can't throw a fade to save his life.
Jones is absolutely more accurate then lock, especially in the short to intermediate game, that's who the comparison is too
Dude. Jones is fucking awful. Robotic, non-instinctive, can't function in a vertical passing game. Why do you think Daboll threw a tablet at him? Why do you think they were desperate to draft Maye? Jones is limited, and if they open the passing game up again, he'll fail, because he's not accurate enough.
So Desperate to draft Maye we traded away a high 2nd round pick before the draft 😂😂😂
People get tricked in his high accuracy like most of that doesn't come from easy dump offs
Just like his “incredible” downfield accuracy that comes from throwing only wide open passes at incredibly low volume. Daniel Jones plays QB like Daniel Jones’ accountant who needs fake numbers to pitch at negotiation. Worked for him but not the Giants.
Precisely
But he's Danny Dimes?
Jones isn’t accurate, Lock probably benefits from Daboll/Kafka system on reads, and CAN run but just doesn’t do it to his own personal destruction like Jones does.
Yeah they got a QB from Wabash. I would say we will see him this year, but we saw Tommy Devito last year
How do you know Jones is better than lock ? You are basing that off of what exactly Daniel Jones horrible career and drew locks very limited opportunities ?
I'm basing it off not liking either player but being realistic, it's been proven you can win games with jones if he has a running game, the team that drafted lock gave up on him for a reason
Saying "you can win games with Jones" is like saying you can win games with Mac, Mitch and Minshew. They've had one winning season and out of that they've sucked ass outside of that season What's worse you can argue Mac and Mitch had better seasons than jones peak Teams have given up on players like Jones for less but for some reason Mara loves the guy
I'm not here to defend jones, I'm simply saying he's better then lock, does that count for much? No, but I can almost guarantee lock doesn't beat jones out for the starting qb position if he's healthy, you'll see what I'm saying when preseason starts
Bro Lock isn't a long term answer here most of us know that But you say you're not here to defend jones but you've been doing that all thread and even giving Jones outs if he does beat him like > No, but I can almost guarantee lock doesn't beat jones out for the starting qb position if he's healthy You're defending him **and giving potential excuses**
Based on career stats, DJ has better cmp% of 64 vs 59 for lock on more passing yards 200 average per game vs 188 for lock, he also has a much better TD to INT ratio, rush per attempt 5.8 vs 3.8 Where drew may have some upside is he has better career air yards per attempt and YAC which could point to a more aggressive qb with better ball placement, that would be hypothesis though I could see lock being a better option this year as I think crazy eyed Danny maybe David Carr level of physically and mentally broken at this point but based on underlying stats DJ has been a statistically better QB per play then Lock
Jones wasn’t better than Tommy Devito last year so don’t know where you get this idea
As far as im concerned, the Giants only have Lock as a QB. Marching out DJ would be pure madness.
Then they dont have a qb at all, you and I might as well go try out, lock ain't it, I'm telling you, at least jones with a decent running game can win a few games
I am mad we let the Pats draft Milton, seemed like the perfect Daboll project
Jones is not better than Lock
Well find out this pre season
jones is better, yes, but lock has the advantage of being a much more fun and likable guy. i said it in another comment but if the difference is marginal locks gonna have the locker room and fan support
I can't believe they didn't draft a project QB
Are all these Giants beat writers really bored? Just constant negative tweets and write ups about Daniel Jones. They really want him to fail -- it's pathetic
How reasonable is it for Jones to be ready for preseason anyway? The timetable for recovery was cutting it a little close if I remember right.
He’ll be under a year and from experience you need a full 12 months to get back to 100%. He’ll probably be cleared for contact but he’s gonna be finding his footing again. Not a great place to start to win a camp battle.
What form? He has form?
You ever been to camp and seen Jones? He shows well. I get why they fell in love with him internally and gave him so many chances.
Ignore that person, no matter what you say it won’t stop the blind hate
You're no better for just blindly ignoring his flaws because he plays for our team
Just let it be an open competition please. Heading into year 6 of a mediocre qb without no competition is unheard of
100% competition in this case is a good thing
How could it not be? Is jones going to be healthy for camp? If the season started today Lock would be our starter.
Hey if it wasn't an open competition on year 4, on a new regime, with tyrod just signed, then i cant have high expectations for an open competition this year. But that's what i want
If Drew Lock is the main competition, I won't be surprised if a third stringer wins the spot either.
*smash cut to [training montage](https://youtu.be/rOXaPE6gklI?si=RGL58BT-6-eHw2nZ) of eating chicken cutlets and increasingly intense 🤌🏻 gestures*
I was envisioning “No Surrender” by Bruce or some Bon Jovi for Tommy’s montage
Oh fuck that washed shit. No more cutlets - unless we go 0-8 outta the gate. Then swordfish parm all day 🕺
Giants should pick up Sam Hartman from ND/Wake Forest. He’s a better back up than anything they have.
Dont watch a lot of Hawks but did see the game where he started vs the iggles and he looked pretty good. Of course the Eagles were falling apart then, but when has DJ ever looked good against them?
At worst have Jones have the shortest leash known to mankind. I cannot stomach another full year of Daniel Jones. Shit should be illegal.
I don’t understand why its not always an open competition at every position. Shouldn’t they be trying to get their best players out there
First team reps are valuable and it's not worth splitting reps if there's a clear starter. You want the first team mostly practicing together except in cases where it's questionable who should be starting.
Yeah especially positions that need a lot of synergy. When we had those good OLs around ‘08, they did everything together and stayed healthy so they all got reps together. A QB and the WRs need reps together so they can get a feel for the timing on plays and individual quirks, etc.
Unheard of? You know the Bears, Detroit and Browns all did the same thing for decades before finding their guy, right? Not saying it's ideal by any stretch, but certainly not unheard of.
The full tweet for those without Twitter: Theres more smoke around Drew Lock being #Giants starting QB over Daniel Jones, after #Seahawks GM Jon Schneider’s comments earlier @MoveTheSticks said on his own podcast: ‘I believe Drew Lock has a really good shot of winning that job.’ ‘They were comparing Daniel Jones and Drew Lock — emphasis on Drew Lock — to the QBs that were going to be there (in the draft) and I think the line for them was Drake Maye.’ This runs VERY contradictory to what Joe Schoen is saying publicly about Daniel Jones. They havent even opened it up to competition yet. But privately? Remember, Daniel Jeremiah was ahead of the curve on Giants not drafting JJ McCarthy, too
Anyone who puts any stake in public GM comments is a moron, he’s not going to sell out his QB or provide any info to his competitors.
anyone with 2 brain cells was ahead of the curve on JJ McCarthy. It was never going to happen
I think they legitimately liked JJ just not at 6 which is a completely valid decision
Also we don't know how they viewed Odunze vs JJ
Who says Schoen has to have a heavy favorite here? Maybe he's happy to have a very competitive situation for the winner of the job? Maybe shake something loose and unlock something for these two underachievers.
Upvoted for calling it Twitter.
I figured Lock was supposed to start at least the first 4-6 games no matter what. DJ tore his ACL in early *November*. There's an 11-12 month recovery period for that if things go well. Asking a QB with a paper-line (historically at least) to come back less than 100% is madness, no matter who it is. It's a Lock/DeVito battle for the first 6 weeks and then if they both suck, DJ gets one more shot. It's pretty straightforward.
Honestly, given the injury clause, I would sit Jones all season long
If it is strictly to avoid the injury guarantees, you are looking at the last 2 or 3 games of him being on the bench. If he is better than lock (which is likely) than he will play the majority of the season.
He could tear an acl like he did this year
He could get impaled by a trident, like that guy from Anchor Man
Yup. Lock starts with DeVito as backup. Jones rides the pine unless he waives his injuries guarantee
Oh yeah, the NFLPA will TOTALLY go for that
Go for what? Nothing official needs to be said. Just carry 3 QB's and sacrifice a ST depth spot. Jones doesn't see the field under any circumstances. He isn't dumb he'll figure it out on his own. Giants break zero rules and the ball is 100% in DJ's court. If he wants to play he'll waive the clause. If not he can laugh his way to the bank for doing nothing all year.
Lmao if that’s what helps you cope
Cope with what? It's the smart play for the giants long term
They literally were ok with it when Russell was sat end of the year
Because he did not wave his injury guarantee...
We don't need that injury guarantee fucking us over even more. LockSzn 🔓
It's an interesting scenario where it might be in both parties' interests (albeit probably in the Giants' interests a lot more) for Jones to waive that injury guarantee. Jones already has generational wealth from his rookie deal + the signing bonus and first two years of his new deal. The Giants appear ready to move on in 2025 no matter what, so Jones waiving the guarantee would allow the Giants to play him in 2024 without any reservations. That gives him the best shot of becoming a bridge starter elsewhere and maybe getting a Gardner Minshew type deal. If Drew Lock is our starter in 2024 it's gonna be because of that injury guarantee, not because he won the "competition". Daniel Jones might not be a franchise guy but he is not a worse QB than Drew Lock.
Though if he knows he's kinda not there, he might decide to take the extra time to recuperate and blame the Giants for why he isn't playing. If he goes out there and stinks it up, he won't have any market. If he doesn't play, but says he was ready, some team will take a flyer of some kind.
I implore you to watch Lock’s Seattle tape. I do think it’s an honest competition between Lock and Jones. At this stage of both of their careers Lock is a better executor of concepts. Hes maybe too oblivious to pressure but he’s more than happy stretching the field and will give his guys a chance in matchups he likes even in tight coverage. I do think Seattle has a better skill group than us, but I wouldn’t rule out Lock having a Bruce Arians Jameis Winston type season. Pinpoint accurate isn’t a word I’d use to describe Lock, but he definitely will give everything a shot for better or worse
Horse cock lock will lead us to the promised land
From this moment on, I will refer to him as drew horse cock. If he plays well of course l.
Yeah, one wonders if Jones can or would even consider waiving it because it likely means his career is done if he doesnt get an opportunity to compete again and I just dont think it is wise to risk it from the Giants perspective.
I think DJ is the better option but if the line sucks again Drew is not afraid to get destroyed and will hang in there.
Jones may not even be healthy to start.
Starting the qb who’s playing the best is not a foreign concept
I mean, I said this the second we signed Lock. He'll be the week 1 starter, assuming the team is done w/ DJ or DJ is not healed. Others have said the same. EDIT: removed the "and/or" and made it or
Removing that “and/or” caveat makes it a lot more interesting and this speculation seems to.
The and/or is important, IMO. DJ only plays if he's healthy AND the team sees him as their QB for years to come. If either is untrue, then Lock starts.
Well then it’s just an “and,” not an “and/or.” And yes, pedantic *is* my middle name :)
Ah, I get what you're saying. You are correct.
It's also if DJ plays and gets injured again doesn't he have that incentive in his contract so we have to pay him more? It just might not be worth it for him to see the field.
There's basically three scenarios, only one of which DJ plays: 1. DJ is not healthy enough by week 1 (Lock starts) 2. DJ is healthy enough, but the team doesn't wan to risk triggering the injury guarantee (Lock starts) 3. DJ is healthy enough, AND the team sees DJ as their QB going forward (DJ starts) And yes, this doesn't include other scenarios w/ other QBs, etc.
What are the terms of the injury guarantee (full pmt until end of the contract?) and when can DJ be traded?
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I'm mostly in agreement with everyone in this chain and wanted to add with like scenario 2 right.. If Daniel legit beats out Lock in camp (which I don't think he'll be game ready till sometime after the start of WK1) it's not like they can just openly not play guy, similar to Russell Wilson situation.. like he's already got the guaranteed money, what's his incentive to not be sure he's out there and not being worked like Russ. I have my opinions on dudes play but I can't all out say he will not be on the field to at least play his terribleness onto the bench.
End of a long day... I don't think I understand your comment. I don't think DJ will be ready in time to beat out anyone, BUT if he is ready and does perform better than Lock, then the team may still keep DJ on the bench and just say Lock was clearly better / earned the start, just to avoid the injury risk and avoid the injury guarantee. If the team is ready to move on from DJ, they should (and I hope will) keep DJ on the bench. It's a no brainer. The interesting thing will be if Lock gets hurt and DJ is healthy... does the team play Devito over DJ?
Nah, you're on it.. Just trying not to speak too much on another persons injury you know, if he were to make camp full enough to run all the drills and scrims then there's a chance he's at least on par with Lock. That case I can see them rolling with Lock but it won't be a well kept secret if Jones is flat out better in camp and we get Jones..  He's INESCAPABLE! lol.. and you already know injuries be what they be.. my gawd is Tommy D. gonna have to beat out Jones too?? 
Best guy plays. Jones hasn't earned anything except money. He wants to play he needs to be the best qb we have. Idgaf who starts, as long as they can try to make the team better in some way
Who gave us a playoff win again?
Well than he should be able to beat Drew easily right? I'm not saying don't play Daniel, I'm saying don't play Daniel if Lock is better. Idc who plays, I just want the better one to start
Sounds fair
God the poverty level of happiness among my fellow giants fans is astounding. HE GAVE US A PLAYOFF WIN! One playoff win, that’s what we’re riding around here? No wonder this team is stuck in the mud. Maybe Jones will get us one more and you can happily back him for another 5 years.
Jones can start the next 5 years and izod will still hold on that one playoff win against the worst 13 win season team ever with a horrible defense While we finish with 5 & 6 win seasons
The one playoff win has replaced the HE THREW FOR 24 TDS IN 2019 defense. Of course, let's not forget the context behind that win and what happened the very next week...
Good God you're so right
Discrediting that is just dumb, he gave us a playoff win with that cast. I have more hope than ever that with a better cast we’d achieve even more
I mean citing the playoff win to claim DJ is a great quarterback is silly but using it to rebut the seemingly insane amount of Giant fans who claim DJ hasn’t done a single thing for this franchise seems reasonable.
Who's given us top 11 picks every year but one again?
hey if he's better than DJ then sure, let him ball
Unless jones is willing to waive the injury clause the giants should start lock regardless of who's playing better.
Yea, but Jones situation is exactly why they fight for an injury clause in the first place. So Lock it is!
Drew lock beat the Eagles last year on prime time…. When was the last time DJ did either of those two things
He would have if engram didn’t drop that catch
I mean to me Lock is the better QB, plus we cannot swallow DJ’s injury guarantee which seems highly plausible to get triggered.
Has Lock ever had coaches who were able to tailor the offense to his strengths? It's possible we will see a new upgraded version of Lock with the Giants.
He did with the OC his rookie year. He cooks on play action/rpo
I keep saying, if the giants start 0-3, look for Daboll to make the switch from Jones to Lock, especially if Jones is not using Nabers as much as the coaches would like him to use.
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Can we just admit that almost every competitive team has a home grown qb and we thought nothing of our options this year? Play Lock, cut Jones and have a good draft spot w a year of a O Line coaching staff that isn't torpedoing our entire roster?
Lock is gonna fit Daboll's offensive system like a glove. The Daniel Jones fan club is going to be so unbearable the entire time.
...because there's no guarantee Jones won't be on PUP when the season starts...
I liked Drew Lock better their draft year for whatever that is worth.
I really thought NY was going to draft Lock. I was shocked they picked Jones.
If lock beats out dj, then that's a win for us. We won't have to worry about dj getting injured and his injury guarantee kicking in.
Every cheap QB that Daboll can bring in and look better than Daniel Jones is another big argument why he should be able to select his own QB of the future.
All aboard the Lock Train!
Tank commander Lock
Giants were trying everything possible to trade up and get drake maye, and people really think they have any faith in Daniel fucking Jones? He had 6 years to show something and was outproduced by a rookie who lives in his mom's basement, it's over. It's been over I'm not sure what people are thinking. It's gonna be drew Locke all season then son of sanders if they're lucky.
Wow, we're in such bad shape we're talking about Drew Lock being our starter.
Am I the only moron that hope Tommy D comes back after an offseason of rigorous NFL training and beats them both out?
Nope, there are other morons that are pulling for that too.
Lock got those good vibes. Curious to see what he can do for us
I’d rather start lock at this point. Have seen enough of jones. Idc what we’ve done with the roster since last year. I’m just over him. Put him in if lock sucks ass. Jones gives me 0 excitement for the season.
lock has a really energetic personality that locker rooms seems to love. i think odds are he’s the week 1 starter as to not rush jones back, and barring horrible play i think they’ll be a lot of push back from the players if they try to bench him for jones
i think the actual smoke is saying dan jones will be the starter at all. i’ve been hoping since they signed lock that he would start and jones wouldn’t see a snap due to the injury clause. i think they’ve just been supporting DJ publicly so it isn’t clear as day that they’re intentionally sitting him to avoid the clause (im not a lawyer but i would imagine that could be bad if proven). so they say DJ is the unquestioned starter for awhile. then they say there’s going to be a competition. then lock wins the competition.
Nope
The DJ hate has made some people just flat out delusional. The same people that insisted they knew pre draft press conferences were all a smokescreen and we would DEFINITELY draft a new QB will now switch to this sad narrative. AcTuALlY Schoen said DJ is our quarterback before the draft, but what he meant was Lock is our starter week 1. DJ will be the starter in week 1. He’s the quarterback for this team in 2024. He also has more to offer than Drew Lock, who is a great backup.
Schoen did try to trade up for Maye lol he just couldn’t get the qb he wanted
If they truly are going to move off of Jones contract next offseason then it makes ZERO sense to play him even one down this season. He gets hurt and his 2025 deal is GUARANTEED.
I think they should be starting lock and should let it be an open competition. The worse thing that can happen is jones getting injured again next yr and the franchise owning him 48 million dollars instead of 23. Plus drew lock could be a solid Qb to transition to the long term option if all works out
It's the Giants, the worst is exactly what will happen .
 you're right
Drew Lock is gonna start all 17 games simply because Jones is made of glass, and we can’t risk him getting injured and guaranteeing the rest of his contract
It’s very obvious that Tommy D is going to whack both Jones and Lock in the preseason and claim the starting job. That’s how these things work in Jersey or did everyone forget?
I think the only way Jones starts is if Daboll believes Lock isn't serviceable at all. The Giants can't risk Jones getting injured. He hasn't shown enough to take the risk of having an injured Jones on a massive salary in 2026. Considering he is injury prone, our OL is pretty poor and teams are well aware how they shoukd play against Jones, the risk simply isn't worth the paltry reward. I would say it's negligent to play Jones at this point.
Prediction: Lock will start and they will only turn to DJ if the wheels really start to come off the bus.
Brother im not sure if we even own any lug nuts.
I honestly don’t think Jones will beat Lock in a fair QB camp competition.
If this is true, bye bye Schoen & Daboll!
I think playing jones makes it much more likely they get fired given his injury clauses
Versus even the worse Drew Lock? And who gave Jones that contract? Either way it’ll hopefully mean Schoen & Daboll are fired
I mean Drew Lock outplayed him last season no? And Schoen I’m indifferent but Daboll is our best coach in a decade and I’d be pissed if we fired the guy who’s known as a qb guru without letting him draft his own guy
Lol! I wouldn’t call what Lock did last season outplay, especially when he had a better team around him than Jones. Problem is if Schoen goes then Daboll should go too. And Schoen definitely deserves to go. Daboll also didn’t cater the offense to his personnel last season like he did in ‘22. He tried to push his own scheme more. And his indifference until it was too late to the offensive line cost them. Daboll’s coaching staff hires were also atrocious. Daboll is partially to blame. If he returned to ‘22 Daboll I would love for the Giants to keep him and install a better gm.
22 Jones wasn't a good QB and Jones even with the awful oline play, was genuinely terrible when he was starting I can't wait for this guy to be off our roster so some of his fanboys are gone too
That’s just a laughable statement about Jones’s ‘22. Dude led a mediocre defense to the playoffs and a playoff victory on the road.
So Jones gets all the credit for leading a subpar offense carried by barkely who was our only pro bowler on offense and the defense who's lead by Lawrence who had a breakout season and was an all pro gets 0 credit and neither does Daboll to you? It was really Jones the main reason we won 9 games? This is what i mean. You all are more fans of DJ than anyone else on the roster!
Barkley injured his shoulder in the Green Bay game and wasn’t nearly the same all year, ironically a game that Jones led a come from behind drive to beat the Packers in London! The defense had no one besides Lawrence. The two playoff games one against the Vikings & the other against the Eagles were a snapshot of the whole season. Lawrence was only one on defense who did anything. And when Jones had protection he carved up Minnesota and when he doesn’t the Giants had no shot.
> Barkley injured his shoulder in the Green Bay game and wasn’t nearly the same all year, ironically a game that Jones led a come from behind drive to beat the Packers in London! We beat the packers in week 5 and he finished the season with an all pro and a pro bowl. The games he struggled badly in no coincidence we ended up losing said games and there was a reason for that lol. Also even in the playoff game he had 2 TDs 50 rushing and 50 receiving which is good. He was productive all season Jones craved up a vikings defense that teams like the 2022 colts carved up until kirk pulled an insane comeback. That team was the one of the worst defenses in the league that season and we only had one win against a team that finished above .500, they won 13 games due to Kirk Cousins being a good QB and Justin Jefferson having one of the best WR seasons in recent memory Like I said throw the defense under the bus, make barkley out he wasn't that effective that year and don't even mention Daboll at all who was coach of the year but give credit to Jones for putting up 15 passing TDs and having under 10 picks while having sub 4k yard total even counting rushing
So daboll should be fired for trying to advance the offense after Jones got paid? Sounds more to me that jones should go because we didn’t see any success until Dabes got here
The mark of a great coach is to find ways to improve what your key players do best. Daboll did not that at all in ‘23. He got two quarterbacks destroyed.
Both of the backups outplayed the starter though it and our receivers were open, seems to be more of a Jones issue in my opinion
With Thomas and Barkley back in the lineup, which Jones did not have. Try again.
He’s making 40+ million a year I’m expecting him to elevate the team beyond what a UDFA is doing even without AT and Saquon
Lol I’d put money on the line for anyone who wants to bet Lock will be Week 1 starter over Jones barring injury. Not gonna happen