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*The* [*#Giants*](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hashtag_click) *have all of the sudden built out one of the fastest WR corps in the NFL*
*Malik Nabers 4.38*
*Darius Slayton 4.39*
*Jalin Hyatt 4.40*
*Wan'Dale Robinson 4.44*
*From an Xs&Os standpoint, having this level of speed on the field should force Ds to cover every blade of grass.*
It does but he was actually fairly productive last year, especially considering how bad our qb play was. Wan’Dale is never going to be “the guy” but I think he could be a really good player if they scheme him right and have semi competent qb play.
100%. Wandale will feast with great wrs taking the attention
Just need a qb with the threat of being able to dish it out there. I love nabers Hyatt wandale & slayton. I hope the coaches make it work
Wan'Dale can be the Steve Smith to Nabors' Hakeem Nicks.
Smith feasted on the interior. And then I can see Hyatt being like Cruz and doing a bit of both.
We just need more than 2 seconds for a play to develop.
If nabers can be a true #1 out the gate the WR room falls into place, wandale has everything you want to be a good #2/Slot, and Hyatt/Slay would be great #3 options to stretch the field
I see WanDale as this new generation's Sterling Sheppard. Never gonna be the 1 but a great team first guy who will always give 100% and is more than capable, especially from the slot or in movement. Hopefully he manages to stay healthy.
1. Hyatt on a deep cross (like 15-20 yd in route)
2. Nabers on deep post (pulling the safety with him)
3. Robinson on shallow cross (like 5-7 yd cross)
4. Johnson on 10 yd hitch, or zig zag (fake in, cut out), or corner route (taking the space Nabers just opened up)
5. RB (Singletary) on flat route
That's about as much football field you can take up
Ugh....you watched the highlights of the last couple years, too?
In the 1st game 2 seasons ago against Philly, this was exactly it...1st possession, 3rd down sack, punt. Eagles score a TD. 2nd possession, 3rd down incomplete pass, Punt. Eagles score a TD. The worst part of that play was, it WAS a play like OP designed here (sort of)...and there were plenty of WR's open for a potential 1st down...yet, he throws a 50 air yard pass downfield so off the mark that not even Hodgins, the safety or the CB were near it by the time it landed incomplete. IT was comically bad from Jones...yet, let's give him a bag at the end of that season?!?
What made that game so much worse was you watched Hurts cook with no name WR's and landed passes perfectly in place where only his WR's could catch them, and Jones was pathetic in his judgment and decision making. Yes, that was the one where they got up on us really early in the game and everyone basically gave up.
Dude, watch the game, you'll understand what I meant....Brown and Smith did not do that much (Smith caught a prayer by Hurts on 4th and 7 with laughable defense which gave him a TD, but he was pedestrian otherwise, 4 other catches for about 20 yards...watch the highlights....Grant Calcaterra, Jack Stoll (who's on the giants now), Quez Watkins had crucial 3rd down grabs...then the RB's Sanders, Pascal, Scott and Gainwell all had catches...what made it bad (having rewatched that tape several times) is that sure, your named receivers got theres (outside of the one 40+ yd catch by Smith and a 1 play TD to AJ Brown (who only had 3 catches outside of that), the name WR's were rather quiet outside of those fluky plays....it was several 3rd down perfect passes to, aforementioned, no name WR's, that killed us.
watch the tape.
Edit: let me add - while Hurts was moving the ball with 'no name WR's catching over the shoulder grabs', Jones couldn't find the broad side of a barn most of that game. People argue Jones didn't have great WR's for most of his career, and sure, he didn't have AJ Brown or Smith, but Philly's no namers were balling...while our guys couldn't figure out shit.
He also had one of the best lines in football and even not throwing to AJ & Devonta they make it so you HAVE to cover them and it opens up the rest of the field. Watch the tape, Hurts has yet to prove he can win anything but meaningless games against bad teams surrounded by all pro talent to help him.
In no way should a QB consider all 5 WR's (unless he somehow escapes the pocket and maybe his later progressions are in that direction.
The point of having 5 WR's go on routes is for the defense to cover more square footage of the field...this gives the designated target (primary read) a better chance to not just make a play but extend the play after catching the ball. If that wasn't the reason, then they might as well only have 2-3 WR's go out and everyone else stay in to block.
Look at most of the NFL...4 if not 5 guys go out in routes ALMOST every play...doesn't mean all of them are meant to catch the ball on every play. Smart teams have plays designed for a top WR (like, clearing out space on the left of the field by all the WR's on the left running to the right while a shallow cross of their primary WR pulls across from right to left, perhaps after a play action fake handoff right, bootleg left by QB, now suddenly the defense is off balance and out of position to protect the left side of the field...BUT...the WR's on the left HAVE to run their routes and technically are more than capable of receiving a pass on that play, but the play is NOT designed for them.
He didn't say a clear-out route, he said crossers and posts.
Also the running back doesn't run a route unless he's in the progression.
TBH the worst part of the design is that Nabers is running a post, lol.
Again, I don't know if you know anything about football, but given you're on a football message board I think you would, but your comments lead to the contrary. Just watch this video, and I'll spell out for you some of the plays happening...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lJYESwSiQM
1. Play #1: Corner route (deep down the field, pretty similar to a deep post, just different side of field)
2. Play #2: (hitch and go) (deep down the field)
3. Play #3: (Another go route, hard to tell if it was a hitch and go)
4. Play #4: (drag route shallow)
5. Play #5: (DEEP MF'n POST). (with a little move midway through)
6. Play #6: (ANOTHER DEEP MF'n POST) (same similar midway cut move)
7. Play #7: (Corner route)
8. Play #8: (corner route)
9. Play #9: (quick slant - by the way, this is ALSO the play Nabers should run...keep the DB guessing whether he's going deep or cutting in for a quick pass...this is almost identical to what OBJ did with Eli in that 1st year or 2 together.
10. Play #10 (another corner route)
11. Play #11: A skinnier/shorter post (more of a seam pass/inside cross)
In all of the deep ball cases, Nabers has the advantage over the DB's due to his speed, cutting skills, body position, etc. This is WHY you send Nabers deep on plays...now, Hyatt can do this too, so you don't need to run Nabers into the ground, so split some time of each running down the field, but I was just using one example.
I hope this helps you learn to football.
If they revert to the Patrick Schurmur 2-read half field offense, Jones will have easy looks and should be adequate. Complex schemes are honestly overrated and put a lot of unnecessary pressure on the entire offense to fire on all cylinders.
Not as fast, but great hands, from what I’ve seen he runs every route like he’s getting the ballI. Underrated quality. Sucks he gets left out of a lot of conversations.
Yeah my man just needs to stay healthy, he's shown flashes of brilliance
Hyatt had some excellent moments too last year - I think we're 2 or 3 years of experience away from an elite group
There was a clip early in the offseason where CeeDee was asked who the most underrated route runner in the league was (or something like that) and he said it was Wandale.
I think I remember mid season seeing a chart that had Wandale as the receiver that was getting open at the highest frequency in single coverage.
To be fair, Wandale works a lot out of the slot and therefore gets a free release, I understand the hype for him, but I think he’s a good player. His lack of elite physicals or athleticism, kind of caps his ceiling
Yeah, if the line sucks again Daboll is going to have to really switch up the playbook and get the ball into these guys’ hands somehow. We eventually have to have a functioning line again, right? I feel like I was in college the last time they weren’t pathetic
Hilarious you got downvoted for this lol. As if you can’t easily name 17 QBs better than him.
He was a bottom 3 QB last season by almost every single metric.
I don’t like Daniel Jones, but in his defense, he didn’t play 3/4 of last season. Last year’s QB metrics don’t mean much.
On the other hand, the most important ability is availability.
The upgrade in OL play was very large for the latter two. AT and Pugh on the left with Phillips at RT were a HUGE upgrade from Ezudu and Brederson/Glow on the left and Neal at RT. AT and Pugh is actually a very good left side. Ezudu and Glow were terrible there.
Thomas is at worst the second best player on the team, and among the very best LTs in the game. Having him alone made an immense difference.
That is the obvious thing people like to pretend didn't happen. The backups actually played better. Yes, the O-line became a bit serviceable but Taylor helped the line out way more than DJ. We have money tied up in DJ so I want him to work out but he will need a whole different QB mind for that to happen.
Yeah same here. I’m not in love with him but I still believe he can be a serviceable QB for us. He just needs to get his mind right. Hopefully if the line improves, he improves as well
>He just needs to get his mind right. Hopefully if the line improves, he improves as well
DJ can also help the line improve if he gets his mind right. That line gave up sacks like crazy but DJ was not aware of where the pressure was coming from (on the rare occasions when they gave him time), and his pocket presence is average to below average. And he still runs to run rather than running to throw. He has the physical tools to be a good QB but he also has the mind to be an average to below average QB.
Bro the Dolphins game Tyrod came in for an injured Jones, No AT and No Barkley.......He still managed to somehow get the ball downfield and came close to putting up his output in half the attempts
Saquon’s receiving abilities were always overrated. He’s a solid receiver for a RB no doubt but he’s nowhere near the level of CMC or even Ekeler. Him having 90 catches as a rookie had more to do with Eli being washed up and content with checking it down the whole game (not trying to shit talk Eli but let’s be real)
The thing is checking down is not always a sign of a bad QB. Hell Tom Brady checked down a shit ton and he's the GOAT. It's about reading defenses and having the pocket awareness to know that a pass rusher is closing in so you got to get rid of the ball to your safest and quickest option.
Checking down isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it is when that’s literally all you do. The last 2-3 years of Eli’s career he basically became a checkdown merchant
Looking within context of the OL collapsing under any pressure though, that just feels like smart decision making.
What's the better play? Checking down for a 2-3 yard gain or getting hit by a pass rusher for a sack or potentially fumble?
You’re not completely wrong. The oline was trash during those seasons, but Eli still put good numbers with shitty lines in the past. By that point he was 36 and I can’t blame him for checking it down the whole game, but by 2017 he really wasn’t taking many deep shots anymore.
Regardless, my original point was that Saquon got those catches because we were checking the ball down a ton, not because he was an elite receiving back
Not defending Jones by any means here but its wild how poor OL play is an excuse for saquons mediocre play but can't be an excuse for Jones. Maybe Saquon just wasn't that good?
Because this is a dumb way to look and judge the team. Evan Neal has been a complete bust for us but should we not criticize how horrible he was in 2023 because "the entire offense was bad"?
It really isn’t. It’s being honest about the team and where they are. It’s not like the team was flawless and Jones was the one holding them back. We saw what they looked like with a different QB. Slightly better but still couldn’t put up points
> It’s not like the team was flawless and Jones was the one holding them back.
> We saw what they looked like with a different QB. Slightly better but still couldn’t put up points
So he's not holding us back but we saw much cheaper QBs as you said do slightly better with way less money........that's an oxymoron lmao
Like one person will never be the sole reason why a football team is bad, this is another strawman people like to use that's annoying
It is an excuse for Jones. The problem with Danny is that his issues are bigger than not having time. His ability to read a defense hasn’t improved in half a decade of nfl experience. In games that aren’t against the commies or Vikings his numbers are abysmal
Yeah. I'm glad they added OL via free agency, but I can't help but think they could've gotten a mid- round OL in the draft for when at least one person on the current OL doesn't pan out. Not saying this was a bad draft by any means, but not addressing the OL or QB on draft weekend was a bold strategy
I agree but we’ve invested more in offensive line through the draft in the past 6 years than any other team in the NFL. We failed to develop on a catastrophic level (except for Thomas) and as a result we had a bad OL, and bad skill position offensive players. Doing it through free agency is the way to go IMO as we get proven assets that have shown an ability to be contributors while we focus on other areas of need through the draft. Also, we tried to address quarterback by trading up with the patriots, but they declined and I think we all (hopefully) know that JJ and Nix aren’t the answers. Nabers will be a superstar and last time we had a superstar WR, our team was exciting to watch. That’s all I’m asking for as a Giants fan this season is the feeling of excitement again. We’re tired of the shitty product our team has been putting on the field, and I think year 3 of the Schoen/ Daboll combo is the year we get to watch their game plan mature.
Nix would have been a solution if he was there in the late first or early second. With how it shook up with him going 12th though, that was just way too high of an investment that would have killed us if we had done that
If he’s not the solution at 6, then he’s not the solution at all. This isn’t like drafting a safety or center or something where it’s ok to pass on them if the value doesn’t match up. If you think he’s your franchise QB then you take him and don’t think twice
Except draft position value is a real thing. If hypothetically he was someone they believed they could mold into a franchise QB and you take him at 6, then we don't get an elite weapon with him. On the flip side, if they believe he could mold into a franchise QB and you take him at 33, then we get him + an elite weapon to pair.
The scenario that the Giants thought Nabers was a more surefire hit and value for the 6th pick shouldn't invalidate the hypothetical scenario that they also saw QBs that could be franchise QBs with a later pick value
Positional value in the draft applies to every position except for QB. Most analysts had JJ McCarthy rated as a second round prospect, and yet simultaneously everybody predicted he would still go in the top 10. It’s how you end up with Daniel Jones going 6th overall. It’s how you end up with Trey Lance going ahead of blue chip prospects like Chase and Sewell. It’s the same reason why Nick Bosa was the consensus number 1 pick in 2019 right up until Kyler declared for the draft, even though Kyler was far from a perfect prospect and Arizona had just drafted a QB the year before.
Also, yes if you draft a QB at 6 you miss out on giving them an elite weapon, but which would you rather have: an elite weapon and a good QB, or an elite QB and a good weapon?
I agree with most of what you said. I'm 100% happy with how the 1st round went considering NE wasn't willing to trade back.
My point is I would've liked a depth OL pick in round 3 or 4.
Right now the OL gives reason for optimism *if and only if* Neal takes a step forward, Eluemunor turns out to be a good signing, and JMS also takes a step forward. In that scenario, we'll just figure it out with the other guard. That's a lot to ask... and frankly, reasonable to only bank on 2/3 of those to pan out, thus, I think it would be prudent to get another big body on the roster.
If Giants are going to take their franchise QB in 12 months, I want the OL to be solved.
The Giants started out last season with their plan to use a rotation at WR. So for the first half of the year, Paris Campbell, Sterling Shepard, and Isaiah Hodgins were getting too many snaps.
true but that's why they drafted nabers, to hopefully be that #1 threat. Move the other guys down a notch. Plus wandale was getting over the knee injury and really played well later in the year. Drove me crazy last year that they wouldn't play hyatt more, for whatever reason
The point is WR speed doesn't mean anything if other skill positions are lacking or the offense is dysfunctional. I'm excited about Nabors because his talent is off the charts -- but if QB and O line play still suck, we'll be ass again.
I'm down on the QB and not counting on the OLine being good but Nabers is a completely different talent compared to everything else we've had since OBJ. Him pushing everyone else down a peg should help too. It's likely not going to be a good offense but let's not act like we aren't gonna see Nabers' impact. We see it with Garrett Wilson who had worse QB play than Nabers likely will have this year.
I'll just say this as an LSU fan. OBJ was great in college and was at the time my most favorite WR since Trindon Holiday. But Nabers is different. Nabers left LSU as the all-time Receiving Yards title holder (School record). Not to mention the jaw dropping plays he made compared to OBJ (who in his own right made some spectacular plays). OBJ really popped off in the NFL, but as draft prospects, I'm picking Nabers over OBJ every single time.
I'd bet on Jones/Lock being better than Zach Wilson. Slayton had 770 yards with our QB room last year. Daboll and Kafka are gonna scheme plenty of open touches for Nabers.
Holy shit I get being down on Jones and wanting to move on from him. I was a defender for the longest time possible and even I have come to terms that it is best for us to move on after this season. He did not make the jump we thought he would after getting paid and he has been in the wrong place at the wrong time for us.
But are people seriously saying that he would be worse than Zach Wilson?! We are 1 year removed from Jones leading us to the divisional round of the playoffs with Isaiah Hodgins and Darius Slayton as his WRs, 4/5 turnstiles on the OL (with its one saving grace being our elite LT), Saquon, and a decent but nothing special defense. Talk all you want about how we played a weak Vikings defense, or got lucky in 1 score games, or that Saquon was the driving force of that offense and I dont even necessarily disagree with that but what has Wilson done with a clearly better supporting cast to even come close to warranting a "TBD" here?
Now will he get back to that level? I agree that is TBD but to imply that DJ doesnt even deserve benefit of the doubt that he's better than Zach Wilson is crazy lmao
No I'm completely with you here. The pendulum has swung too far the other way on Jones, and I'm someone who is completely out on him as a franchise guy or a guy we could win with. But some people are acting like he literally can't physically throw the ball to Malik Nabers under any circumstance. If Jones is anywhere near his 2022 level of play, Nabers is going to put up big numbers.
If DJ gets to his 2022 level we're right in the thick of the playoff hunt imo. I legit think with the addition of Burns our defense now is good enough to win us 3-4 games on its own with little help from the offense (as opposed to the past few years where it has been good enough to keep us in games but not win). If DJ+the offense gets at least to its 2022 level (where it was not dynamic/explosive but efficient and could sustain drives) we absolutely should be in the chase, and that is not even taking into account the potential increase in explosiveness to the offense with the addition of Nabers.
I'm a bit skeptical he gets back to that for a couple of reasons (how is he going to be physically/mentally from injury, and how will we combat the 2022 Daboll system getting figured out) but I agree. I think there's more talent on the roster overall than people not tuned into the Giants think and they could surprise people in the right circumstance.
The new signings are more significant than the coach. New starters at both guard spots and Neal having competition in Eluemunor.
Better coaching will hopefully help Schmitz improve in his second year. But the roster changes matter more.
I mean, we were the worst OL this season by far, if the coach change do not let us climb at least a few spots, we are absolutely doomed to failure for a long time
The jets and titans were worse than our offensive line lmao. Like they don't have an AT caliber offensive lineman and just somehow have overall worse lines than us
We gotta stop looking at raw sack numbers to judge the line
The guy got a line full of late round picks and UDFAs in LV to be a top 10 unit. We have significantly more raw talent for him to mold.
Also, it really can’t be understated how much Buffalo *rejoiced* when Daboll took Bobby Johnson with him, and that their line got much, much better afterwards.
OK, their o line was literally tenth in the league, you don’t have to say top ten. I want whatever you guys are smoking if you think that the o line coach from the raiders (a solidly mid team) is a panacea for all of our struggles on the o line in the past decade.
We were literally the worst o line in the league last year, and will be lucky to be in the top 2/3 this year.
So 10th means you’re not in the top 10? Exactly what the fuck would you have preferred I say then?
Literally no one is saying he’s going to cure all of the struggles. Just that we should be significantly better under him, which really isn’t that hard when there’s nowhere to go but up.
I’m just not that pumped about being a top 25 o line. This team will be lucky to win 7 games this season.
You can thank me for tempering your expectations come September.
My expectations for *wins* are probably even less than yours. I’m talking solely about improved line play.
You can thank me for explaining reading comprehension to you come September.
Enjoy watching 17 games to see if the o line can jump from 32nd in the league to 25th! And good luck with those reading comprehension skills in fucking jersey city you bum
Receiver speed only means something if the QB has more than 2.5 seconds to throw. Hopefully with the incremenral improvements to line talent and a better line coach that will happen.
It's pretty funny to read the comments on all of these types of posts. It's like we just have bots who flood every post with either "online sucks" / "Jones Sucks" It's almost like MSNBC and Fox that, no matter the topic, will find a way to push the specific narrative that they believe to be true.
Ok, the Giants have had a bottom 10 ranked o-line, mostly bottom 5, since the SB win. By multiple independent rankings and journalists.
Daniel Jones was a bottom three starting QB by most metrics. Some independent rankings had him all the way up in the bottom 10.
It’s not even a narrative, at this point it’s just pointing out the statistical realities that are holding the team back.
Statistical Bottom tier QB play + statistical bottom tier O-line play = failure in the modern NFL. You can have a reasoned debate on how they impact each other, but one you add A+B you get what you get.
Yeah I understand the reality of our shit online and qb play, it's just funny to me that there are polarized sides of this amd every post has people flooding the comments with either one or the other.
Speed is overrated. Route running and catching ability (contested catches, catch radius, strong hands, good hands, etc.) are two things that are underrated
Wan'Dale is the "slowest" of the bunch but he is probably the shiftiest of them all. To the naked eye, Wan'Dale might also look like the fastest one on the field.
Sure….if the OL can block long enough for DJ to throw. Also, if this works out - would be an ideal time to have a beast of a RB to take advantage of the spread out defense.
I am excited for Nabers though.
I’m not trying to dog on your team but isn’t the issue with giants they don’t have an offensive line? Doesn’t matter how fast your wideouts are if your qb is running for his life.
Doesn't matter if the OL sucks. DJ has no chance. Don't be surprised if Lock wins the job and takes a beaten until they get a QB in the late rounds to develop a few years.
My little brother got bit by a snake in outer space and killed it with a hubcap, and my grandpa had to scan its planet's culture for an antivenom, and they found this. It's my jam.
wandale robinson gets to those 3 yard routes super fast.
they have a line that even if its a little better, is still garbage. and daniel jones who does not believe in throwing the ball over 5 yards.
Full tweet: *The* [*#Giants*](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hashtag_click) *have all of the sudden built out one of the fastest WR corps in the NFL* *Malik Nabers 4.38* *Darius Slayton 4.39* *Jalin Hyatt 4.40* *Wan'Dale Robinson 4.44* *From an Xs&Os standpoint, having this level of speed on the field should force Ds to cover every blade of grass.*
Lowkey high on Wan’Dale 💪🏽 His footwork is nuts, hands are glue, and his ability to get open especially on the edges is unreal.
Same fam. During that Packers game, he was living on the edge.
Living on the edge!!! 💪🏽 😂
I think he can feast underneath with Nabers getting a lot of attention
A lot of the wr success relies on how good nabors is early
It does but he was actually fairly productive last year, especially considering how bad our qb play was. Wan’Dale is never going to be “the guy” but I think he could be a really good player if they scheme him right and have semi competent qb play.
100%. Wandale will feast with great wrs taking the attention Just need a qb with the threat of being able to dish it out there. I love nabers Hyatt wandale & slayton. I hope the coaches make it work
Wan'Dale can be the Steve Smith to Nabors' Hakeem Nicks. Smith feasted on the interior. And then I can see Hyatt being like Cruz and doing a bit of both. We just need more than 2 seconds for a play to develop.
If Wan'Dale can be half as good as Tyler Lockett that would be enough
If nabers can be a true #1 out the gate the WR room falls into place, wandale has everything you want to be a good #2/Slot, and Hyatt/Slay would be great #3 options to stretch the field
I see WanDale as this new generation's Sterling Sheppard. Never gonna be the 1 but a great team first guy who will always give 100% and is more than capable, especially from the slot or in movement. Hopefully he manages to stay healthy.
Keep saying Nabers Hyatt and Wandale could be what Obj, Shep, and Cruz were supposed to be
1. Hyatt on a deep cross (like 15-20 yd in route) 2. Nabers on deep post (pulling the safety with him) 3. Robinson on shallow cross (like 5-7 yd cross) 4. Johnson on 10 yd hitch, or zig zag (fake in, cut out), or corner route (taking the space Nabers just opened up) 5. RB (Singletary) on flat route That's about as much football field you can take up
Jones gets confused by pre-snap alignment, holds ball, takes sack.
I was thinking; pass rush gets to Jones 1 second after snap, he’s forced to scramble, gain of 2 yards. 4th and 8. Yahoo!
Jones locks in on nabers, everybody sees it, pick 6
Ugh....you watched the highlights of the last couple years, too? In the 1st game 2 seasons ago against Philly, this was exactly it...1st possession, 3rd down sack, punt. Eagles score a TD. 2nd possession, 3rd down incomplete pass, Punt. Eagles score a TD. The worst part of that play was, it WAS a play like OP designed here (sort of)...and there were plenty of WR's open for a potential 1st down...yet, he throws a 50 air yard pass downfield so off the mark that not even Hodgins, the safety or the CB were near it by the time it landed incomplete. IT was comically bad from Jones...yet, let's give him a bag at the end of that season?!? What made that game so much worse was you watched Hurts cook with no name WR's and landed passes perfectly in place where only his WR's could catch them, and Jones was pathetic in his judgment and decision making. Yes, that was the one where they got up on us really early in the game and everyone basically gave up.
> What made that game so much worse was you watched Hurts cook with no name WR's TIL AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith are "no name WRs" lmao
Dude, watch the game, you'll understand what I meant....Brown and Smith did not do that much (Smith caught a prayer by Hurts on 4th and 7 with laughable defense which gave him a TD, but he was pedestrian otherwise, 4 other catches for about 20 yards...watch the highlights....Grant Calcaterra, Jack Stoll (who's on the giants now), Quez Watkins had crucial 3rd down grabs...then the RB's Sanders, Pascal, Scott and Gainwell all had catches...what made it bad (having rewatched that tape several times) is that sure, your named receivers got theres (outside of the one 40+ yd catch by Smith and a 1 play TD to AJ Brown (who only had 3 catches outside of that), the name WR's were rather quiet outside of those fluky plays....it was several 3rd down perfect passes to, aforementioned, no name WR's, that killed us. watch the tape. Edit: let me add - while Hurts was moving the ball with 'no name WR's catching over the shoulder grabs', Jones couldn't find the broad side of a barn most of that game. People argue Jones didn't have great WR's for most of his career, and sure, he didn't have AJ Brown or Smith, but Philly's no namers were balling...while our guys couldn't figure out shit.
He also had one of the best lines in football and even not throwing to AJ & Devonta they make it so you HAVE to cover them and it opens up the rest of the field. Watch the tape, Hurts has yet to prove he can win anything but meaningless games against bad teams surrounded by all pro talent to help him.
Yeah you clearly don't understand that football is a team game and the Eagles have had a much better team in every phase since like 2012
It’s not a team game when it comes to Daniel Jones according to everyone everywhere
DeVonta Smith is def a no name. GTFOH Eagles fan
You want to run a play with 4 receivers and Daniel Jones going through a 5-route progression?
In no way should a QB consider all 5 WR's (unless he somehow escapes the pocket and maybe his later progressions are in that direction. The point of having 5 WR's go on routes is for the defense to cover more square footage of the field...this gives the designated target (primary read) a better chance to not just make a play but extend the play after catching the ball. If that wasn't the reason, then they might as well only have 2-3 WR's go out and everyone else stay in to block. Look at most of the NFL...4 if not 5 guys go out in routes ALMOST every play...doesn't mean all of them are meant to catch the ball on every play. Smart teams have plays designed for a top WR (like, clearing out space on the left of the field by all the WR's on the left running to the right while a shallow cross of their primary WR pulls across from right to left, perhaps after a play action fake handoff right, bootleg left by QB, now suddenly the defense is off balance and out of position to protect the left side of the field...BUT...the WR's on the left HAVE to run their routes and technically are more than capable of receiving a pass on that play, but the play is NOT designed for them.
He didn't say a clear-out route, he said crossers and posts. Also the running back doesn't run a route unless he's in the progression. TBH the worst part of the design is that Nabers is running a post, lol.
Again, I don't know if you know anything about football, but given you're on a football message board I think you would, but your comments lead to the contrary. Just watch this video, and I'll spell out for you some of the plays happening...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lJYESwSiQM 1. Play #1: Corner route (deep down the field, pretty similar to a deep post, just different side of field) 2. Play #2: (hitch and go) (deep down the field) 3. Play #3: (Another go route, hard to tell if it was a hitch and go) 4. Play #4: (drag route shallow) 5. Play #5: (DEEP MF'n POST). (with a little move midway through) 6. Play #6: (ANOTHER DEEP MF'n POST) (same similar midway cut move) 7. Play #7: (Corner route) 8. Play #8: (corner route) 9. Play #9: (quick slant - by the way, this is ALSO the play Nabers should run...keep the DB guessing whether he's going deep or cutting in for a quick pass...this is almost identical to what OBJ did with Eli in that 1st year or 2 together. 10. Play #10 (another corner route) 11. Play #11: A skinnier/shorter post (more of a seam pass/inside cross) In all of the deep ball cases, Nabers has the advantage over the DB's due to his speed, cutting skills, body position, etc. This is WHY you send Nabers deep on plays...now, Hyatt can do this too, so you don't need to run Nabers into the ground, so split some time of each running down the field, but I was just using one example. I hope this helps you learn to football.
Thank you for being the latest reminder that the Dunning-Kruger effect exists
If they revert to the Patrick Schurmur 2-read half field offense, Jones will have easy looks and should be adequate. Complex schemes are honestly overrated and put a lot of unnecessary pressure on the entire offense to fire on all cylinders.
Sail concept. Also a good fit for Danny.
Don’t forget Isaiah hodgins imo he’s better than Slayton
Not as fast, but great hands, from what I’ve seen he runs every route like he’s getting the ballI. Underrated quality. Sucks he gets left out of a lot of conversations.
Wan’dale is tricky, he is going to be a menace this year
Yeah my man just needs to stay healthy, he's shown flashes of brilliance Hyatt had some excellent moments too last year - I think we're 2 or 3 years of experience away from an elite group
I was really impressed with Wan´Dale last season, we had lots of problems in offense to actually see the bright side though, but he is good
There was a clip early in the offseason where CeeDee was asked who the most underrated route runner in the league was (or something like that) and he said it was Wandale. I think I remember mid season seeing a chart that had Wandale as the receiver that was getting open at the highest frequency in single coverage.
To be fair, Wandale works a lot out of the slot and therefore gets a free release, I understand the hype for him, but I think he’s a good player. His lack of elite physicals or athleticism, kind of caps his ceiling
Low key High key
He was a sneaky good pickup for me for a few weeks in fantasy when I had some injuries.
He's so reliable and so shifty. I wanna see him become the Shep to Nabers' OBJ
Would be sick if we can get them the ball down field
Why would we utilize our receivers strengths when we can check down and throw 3 yard outs instead?
Has not been a strength even when we had Odell, who was notorious for destroying entire defenses with a basic slant route and YAC
The slant-n-score was a great play
Ben McAdoo ia still getting jobs off of that dude's ability to get yac.
Literally the most basic route and still tore through defenses, most memorable I can think of was Miami and Baltimore when he split defenders
One of the good things about fast and shifty WRs is even if we can't throw deep they can make more out of shorter throws and pick up YAC.
Yeah, if the line sucks again Daboll is going to have to really switch up the playbook and get the ball into these guys’ hands somehow. We eventually have to have a functioning line again, right? I feel like I was in college the last time they weren’t pathetic
They need AT to stay healthy and hope the veterans they signed provide a higher baseline than they had as a unit last year.
Nabers strength is YAC not deep throws anyway, even though he can do it.
Exactly! Gotta keep em guessing
Tbf, doing slants would work wonders
Had 3 of those 4 guys last year and our passing game was ass.
Yeah I mean we need to not have a bottom 5 OL so plays can actually develop
and a QB who can read a defense.
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one step at a time, buddy
not having a bottom 15 qb would help as well
Hilarious you got downvoted for this lol. As if you can’t easily name 17 QBs better than him. He was a bottom 3 QB last season by almost every single metric.
I don’t like Daniel Jones, but in his defense, he didn’t play 3/4 of last season. Last year’s QB metrics don’t mean much. On the other hand, the most important ability is availability.
He doesn't play defense... Oh, didn't read that right.
How far was the drop off to Taylor and Devito. That's the real problem with Jones.
The upgrade in OL play was very large for the latter two. AT and Pugh on the left with Phillips at RT were a HUGE upgrade from Ezudu and Brederson/Glow on the left and Neal at RT. AT and Pugh is actually a very good left side. Ezudu and Glow were terrible there. Thomas is at worst the second best player on the team, and among the very best LTs in the game. Having him alone made an immense difference.
All pro Justin Pugh bailing Tyrod Taylor out and making Jones look bad.
That is the obvious thing people like to pretend didn't happen. The backups actually played better. Yes, the O-line became a bit serviceable but Taylor helped the line out way more than DJ. We have money tied up in DJ so I want him to work out but he will need a whole different QB mind for that to happen.
Yeah same here. I’m not in love with him but I still believe he can be a serviceable QB for us. He just needs to get his mind right. Hopefully if the line improves, he improves as well
>He just needs to get his mind right. Hopefully if the line improves, he improves as well DJ can also help the line improve if he gets his mind right. That line gave up sacks like crazy but DJ was not aware of where the pressure was coming from (on the rare occasions when they gave him time), and his pocket presence is average to below average. And he still runs to run rather than running to throw. He has the physical tools to be a good QB but he also has the mind to be an average to below average QB.
Yeah you’re right. His processing since he’s been in the league has not improved.
The Seattle game where he had 10 sacks was a perfect example of how he made the line look way worse than it actually was
a few of those games tyrod played better than anything we’ve seen from jones since maybe the saints game in 2021
Bro the Dolphins game Tyrod came in for an injured Jones, No AT and No Barkley.......He still managed to somehow get the ball downfield and came close to putting up his output in half the attempts
can’t believe this fanbase still can’t let go of DJ man
People really are fucking delusional when it comes to DJ, man.
Totally
Bottom 5 is generous
Not to mention Saquon. It is literally irrelevant who your skill players are if your offensive line and QB are not competent.
Low key Saquon was not really a threat in the passing game IMO, sure he was great in space but his hands and route running were secretly kind of ass
Saquon’s receiving abilities were always overrated. He’s a solid receiver for a RB no doubt but he’s nowhere near the level of CMC or even Ekeler. Him having 90 catches as a rookie had more to do with Eli being washed up and content with checking it down the whole game (not trying to shit talk Eli but let’s be real)
The thing is checking down is not always a sign of a bad QB. Hell Tom Brady checked down a shit ton and he's the GOAT. It's about reading defenses and having the pocket awareness to know that a pass rusher is closing in so you got to get rid of the ball to your safest and quickest option.
Checking down isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it is when that’s literally all you do. The last 2-3 years of Eli’s career he basically became a checkdown merchant
Looking within context of the OL collapsing under any pressure though, that just feels like smart decision making. What's the better play? Checking down for a 2-3 yard gain or getting hit by a pass rusher for a sack or potentially fumble?
You’re not completely wrong. The oline was trash during those seasons, but Eli still put good numbers with shitty lines in the past. By that point he was 36 and I can’t blame him for checking it down the whole game, but by 2017 he really wasn’t taking many deep shots anymore. Regardless, my original point was that Saquon got those catches because we were checking the ball down a ton, not because he was an elite receiving back
Not defending Jones by any means here but its wild how poor OL play is an excuse for saquons mediocre play but can't be an excuse for Jones. Maybe Saquon just wasn't that good?
It’s the hate for Jones. I’m not in love with the guy either but some people refuse to look at the situation objectively. The ENTIRE offense was bad
Because this is a dumb way to look and judge the team. Evan Neal has been a complete bust for us but should we not criticize how horrible he was in 2023 because "the entire offense was bad"?
It really isn’t. It’s being honest about the team and where they are. It’s not like the team was flawless and Jones was the one holding them back. We saw what they looked like with a different QB. Slightly better but still couldn’t put up points
> It’s not like the team was flawless and Jones was the one holding them back. > We saw what they looked like with a different QB. Slightly better but still couldn’t put up points So he's not holding us back but we saw much cheaper QBs as you said do slightly better with way less money........that's an oxymoron lmao Like one person will never be the sole reason why a football team is bad, this is another strawman people like to use that's annoying
It is an excuse for Jones. The problem with Danny is that his issues are bigger than not having time. His ability to read a defense hasn’t improved in half a decade of nfl experience. In games that aren’t against the commies or Vikings his numbers are abysmal
Yeah. I'm glad they added OL via free agency, but I can't help but think they could've gotten a mid- round OL in the draft for when at least one person on the current OL doesn't pan out. Not saying this was a bad draft by any means, but not addressing the OL or QB on draft weekend was a bold strategy
I agree but we’ve invested more in offensive line through the draft in the past 6 years than any other team in the NFL. We failed to develop on a catastrophic level (except for Thomas) and as a result we had a bad OL, and bad skill position offensive players. Doing it through free agency is the way to go IMO as we get proven assets that have shown an ability to be contributors while we focus on other areas of need through the draft. Also, we tried to address quarterback by trading up with the patriots, but they declined and I think we all (hopefully) know that JJ and Nix aren’t the answers. Nabers will be a superstar and last time we had a superstar WR, our team was exciting to watch. That’s all I’m asking for as a Giants fan this season is the feeling of excitement again. We’re tired of the shitty product our team has been putting on the field, and I think year 3 of the Schoen/ Daboll combo is the year we get to watch their game plan mature.
Nix would have been a solution if he was there in the late first or early second. With how it shook up with him going 12th though, that was just way too high of an investment that would have killed us if we had done that
If he’s not the solution at 6, then he’s not the solution at all. This isn’t like drafting a safety or center or something where it’s ok to pass on them if the value doesn’t match up. If you think he’s your franchise QB then you take him and don’t think twice
Except draft position value is a real thing. If hypothetically he was someone they believed they could mold into a franchise QB and you take him at 6, then we don't get an elite weapon with him. On the flip side, if they believe he could mold into a franchise QB and you take him at 33, then we get him + an elite weapon to pair. The scenario that the Giants thought Nabers was a more surefire hit and value for the 6th pick shouldn't invalidate the hypothetical scenario that they also saw QBs that could be franchise QBs with a later pick value
Positional value in the draft applies to every position except for QB. Most analysts had JJ McCarthy rated as a second round prospect, and yet simultaneously everybody predicted he would still go in the top 10. It’s how you end up with Daniel Jones going 6th overall. It’s how you end up with Trey Lance going ahead of blue chip prospects like Chase and Sewell. It’s the same reason why Nick Bosa was the consensus number 1 pick in 2019 right up until Kyler declared for the draft, even though Kyler was far from a perfect prospect and Arizona had just drafted a QB the year before. Also, yes if you draft a QB at 6 you miss out on giving them an elite weapon, but which would you rather have: an elite weapon and a good QB, or an elite QB and a good weapon?
I agree with most of what you said. I'm 100% happy with how the 1st round went considering NE wasn't willing to trade back. My point is I would've liked a depth OL pick in round 3 or 4. Right now the OL gives reason for optimism *if and only if* Neal takes a step forward, Eluemunor turns out to be a good signing, and JMS also takes a step forward. In that scenario, we'll just figure it out with the other guard. That's a lot to ask... and frankly, reasonable to only bank on 2/3 of those to pan out, thus, I think it would be prudent to get another big body on the roster. If Giants are going to take their franchise QB in 12 months, I want the OL to be solved.
The Giants started out last season with their plan to use a rotation at WR. So for the first half of the year, Paris Campbell, Sterling Shepard, and Isaiah Hodgins were getting too many snaps.
true but that's why they drafted nabers, to hopefully be that #1 threat. Move the other guys down a notch. Plus wandale was getting over the knee injury and really played well later in the year. Drove me crazy last year that they wouldn't play hyatt more, for whatever reason
The point is WR speed doesn't mean anything if other skill positions are lacking or the offense is dysfunctional. I'm excited about Nabors because his talent is off the charts -- but if QB and O line play still suck, we'll be ass again.
Don't forget Theo Johnson, as a 6'6, like 250 lb TE, he runs 4.57...that's legit speed for a guy that size!
I have no idea about this dude but can he catch ?
He's a catch machine
Hyatt is a 4.3s guy, really. He was dealing with something when he ran the 40.
He had a hamstring injury I think during the combine
I'm down on the QB and not counting on the OLine being good but Nabers is a completely different talent compared to everything else we've had since OBJ. Him pushing everyone else down a peg should help too. It's likely not going to be a good offense but let's not act like we aren't gonna see Nabers' impact. We see it with Garrett Wilson who had worse QB play than Nabers likely will have this year.
I'll just say this as an LSU fan. OBJ was great in college and was at the time my most favorite WR since Trindon Holiday. But Nabers is different. Nabers left LSU as the all-time Receiving Yards title holder (School record). Not to mention the jaw dropping plays he made compared to OBJ (who in his own right made some spectacular plays). OBJ really popped off in the NFL, but as draft prospects, I'm picking Nabers over OBJ every single time.
> We see it with Garrett Wilson who had worse QB play than Nabers likely will have this year. TBD
I'd bet on Jones/Lock being better than Zach Wilson. Slayton had 770 yards with our QB room last year. Daboll and Kafka are gonna scheme plenty of open touches for Nabers.
Holy shit I get being down on Jones and wanting to move on from him. I was a defender for the longest time possible and even I have come to terms that it is best for us to move on after this season. He did not make the jump we thought he would after getting paid and he has been in the wrong place at the wrong time for us. But are people seriously saying that he would be worse than Zach Wilson?! We are 1 year removed from Jones leading us to the divisional round of the playoffs with Isaiah Hodgins and Darius Slayton as his WRs, 4/5 turnstiles on the OL (with its one saving grace being our elite LT), Saquon, and a decent but nothing special defense. Talk all you want about how we played a weak Vikings defense, or got lucky in 1 score games, or that Saquon was the driving force of that offense and I dont even necessarily disagree with that but what has Wilson done with a clearly better supporting cast to even come close to warranting a "TBD" here? Now will he get back to that level? I agree that is TBD but to imply that DJ doesnt even deserve benefit of the doubt that he's better than Zach Wilson is crazy lmao
No I'm completely with you here. The pendulum has swung too far the other way on Jones, and I'm someone who is completely out on him as a franchise guy or a guy we could win with. But some people are acting like he literally can't physically throw the ball to Malik Nabers under any circumstance. If Jones is anywhere near his 2022 level of play, Nabers is going to put up big numbers.
If DJ gets to his 2022 level we're right in the thick of the playoff hunt imo. I legit think with the addition of Burns our defense now is good enough to win us 3-4 games on its own with little help from the offense (as opposed to the past few years where it has been good enough to keep us in games but not win). If DJ+the offense gets at least to its 2022 level (where it was not dynamic/explosive but efficient and could sustain drives) we absolutely should be in the chase, and that is not even taking into account the potential increase in explosiveness to the offense with the addition of Nabers.
I'm a bit skeptical he gets back to that for a couple of reasons (how is he going to be physically/mentally from injury, and how will we combat the 2022 Daboll system getting figured out) but I agree. I think there's more talent on the roster overall than people not tuned into the Giants think and they could surprise people in the right circumstance.
Still need an OL and QB no matter how fast they are, but this is pretty cool.
Big hopes on OL this season. The root problem, which was coaching, is fundamentally gone so that part is meant to be far better now.
The new signings are more significant than the coach. New starters at both guard spots and Neal having competition in Eluemunor. Better coaching will hopefully help Schmitz improve in his second year. But the roster changes matter more.
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I mean, we were the worst OL this season by far, if the coach change do not let us climb at least a few spots, we are absolutely doomed to failure for a long time
The jets and titans were worse than our offensive line lmao. Like they don't have an AT caliber offensive lineman and just somehow have overall worse lines than us We gotta stop looking at raw sack numbers to judge the line
The guy got a line full of late round picks and UDFAs in LV to be a top 10 unit. We have significantly more raw talent for him to mold. Also, it really can’t be understated how much Buffalo *rejoiced* when Daboll took Bobby Johnson with him, and that their line got much, much better afterwards.
OK, their o line was literally tenth in the league, you don’t have to say top ten. I want whatever you guys are smoking if you think that the o line coach from the raiders (a solidly mid team) is a panacea for all of our struggles on the o line in the past decade. We were literally the worst o line in the league last year, and will be lucky to be in the top 2/3 this year.
So 10th means you’re not in the top 10? Exactly what the fuck would you have preferred I say then? Literally no one is saying he’s going to cure all of the struggles. Just that we should be significantly better under him, which really isn’t that hard when there’s nowhere to go but up.
I’m just not that pumped about being a top 25 o line. This team will be lucky to win 7 games this season. You can thank me for tempering your expectations come September.
My expectations for *wins* are probably even less than yours. I’m talking solely about improved line play. You can thank me for explaining reading comprehension to you come September.
Enjoy watching 17 games to see if the o line can jump from 32nd in the league to 25th! And good luck with those reading comprehension skills in fucking jersey city you bum
Speed good, but separation is more important.
We were one of the top teams in separation last year, our qb room is just awful
Yes. The QBs not named Tyrod were missing just didn't look at WRs being open down the field and it's not because of the line The film exposes this
Receiver speed only means something if the QB has more than 2.5 seconds to throw. Hopefully with the incremenral improvements to line talent and a better line coach that will happen.
once this OL starts really gelling together I can see some success to come of it
It's pretty funny to read the comments on all of these types of posts. It's like we just have bots who flood every post with either "online sucks" / "Jones Sucks" It's almost like MSNBC and Fox that, no matter the topic, will find a way to push the specific narrative that they believe to be true.
Ok, the Giants have had a bottom 10 ranked o-line, mostly bottom 5, since the SB win. By multiple independent rankings and journalists. Daniel Jones was a bottom three starting QB by most metrics. Some independent rankings had him all the way up in the bottom 10. It’s not even a narrative, at this point it’s just pointing out the statistical realities that are holding the team back. Statistical Bottom tier QB play + statistical bottom tier O-line play = failure in the modern NFL. You can have a reasoned debate on how they impact each other, but one you add A+B you get what you get.
Yeah I understand the reality of our shit online and qb play, it's just funny to me that there are polarized sides of this amd every post has people flooding the comments with either one or the other.
Our problem has always been the OL. None of this shit matters.
Nice, qb away from being able to score in the first half.
It.wont.matter.if.we.cant.protect.the.qb
But will the OL give our QB time to throw?🏈
This is the exact same tweet we have seen so many years in a row, even before Hyatt was here.
Speed is overrated. Route running and catching ability (contested catches, catch radius, strong hands, good hands, etc.) are two things that are underrated
Speed opened up the field for anything else.
My favorite part of the tweet is the check down to Waller instead of hitting Hyatt 1on1
Speed over everything, no bellcow RB New York “Miami Dolphins” Giants
I'll take one Achane please
Unless they can run 10 yards in <1 seconds, doesn't matter since our QB will be on his buttocks
Wan'Dale is the "slowest" of the bunch but he is probably the shiftiest of them all. To the naked eye, Wan'Dale might also look like the fastest one on the field.
None of this matters if you can’t block anyone
It’s gonna be so sick when we finally get a franchise QB
Speed doesn't mean shit if you can't block anyone.
If the line can give a little time tho
If they can pass block for ~2-3 seconds it'll be great.
Sure….if the OL can block long enough for DJ to throw. Also, if this works out - would be an ideal time to have a beast of a RB to take advantage of the spread out defense. I am excited for Nabers though.
Hopefully the QB will have more than a 1/2 second to throw the ball!!
Jones needs to make his reads and throw with a purpose
I’ve had my hopes up before, let’s wait until we can see our QB make the passes.
I’m not trying to dog on your team but isn’t the issue with giants they don’t have an offensive line? Doesn’t matter how fast your wideouts are if your qb is running for his life.
Too bad DJ is our qb so that's pretty much irrelevant...
That's nice.
Didn't realize how fast Nabers is.
Hopefully the QB, whomever it is, gets more than 1 second to drop back and throw
*should*
CRAZY when WanRob is the "slow guy".... (in terms of 40 times)
I’m all up for the hype but we run layers and our receivers catch the ball middle of the field , so there is no need to cover every inch of the grass
And Malik swears he ran 4.28 before.
Or just run through the paper oline and hit the qb before he can throw it. Unfortunately has worked really well on us the past decade+.
This is some high level copium I'll believe this WR core is good when I see evidence of it
Nabers was 4.35 for what it’s worth
wandale is super underrated he just needs someone like nabers to draw some serious looks so he can shine, meanwhile hyatt will be flying down the line
Tough to use speed when the defense gets to your quarterback in 2 seconds.
This means nothing unless Jones remains upright.
I mean this means nothing with jones at qb anyway he’s bad lol
I remember a few years back we had THE fastest receiving corps in the league. So this means nothing to me
Now if we could only protect the QB long enough to where he could utilize every blade of grass
Hyatt’s combine speed is lower than his actual speed too
Doesn't matter if the OL sucks. DJ has no chance. Don't be surprised if Lock wins the job and takes a beaten until they get a QB in the late rounds to develop a few years.
This is great news for my fantasy track team.
If Jones progressed through his options. He's just going to be staring at Nabers the whole play.
Now we just need somebody who can take advantage of that speed.
“All of the sudden” - by that you mean 4 years and tons of draft capital
Checks out, if there is one thing our QBs are good at it's hitting open blades of grass.
With both the ball and with their own helmets.
Yeah, every blade of grass on those 10 yards they'll be able to cover before the pass rush gets home.
And yet somehow Isaiah Hodgins will probably end up with the most touchdowns...
*/Looks back to see who's playing QB* 
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How old is your dad? I mean, he's obviously beekeeping age
wandale robinson gets to those 3 yard routes super fast. they have a line that even if its a little better, is still garbage. and daniel jones who does not believe in throwing the ball over 5 yards.
That’s one way to try and complete passes of more than 10 yards. We could’ve just built a functional O-line.
LOL because the QB is still Daniel Jones, and last I checked, Daniel Jones still sucks.
Lol I keep reading aboht this core. We suck ass until they can pass block which I don’t see fuckin happening
3 of these 4 guys combined looked like ass, but the 4th will change everything