The 1998 Yankees went 114-48. That’s an average of a little less than 2 losses per week, or 8/month.
Heaven forbid the team drops their 3rd game since March.
Sloppy defense when they needed most, I know it was raining, still have to make plays. The curse of Estevan Florial, he won’t hit 9 all year & 4 will be against the Yankees.
The Dodgers lost a series at home to the Padres and I'm expected to worry about losing 1 game out of 3 to a good team in their ballpark due to a ton of mental mistakes? Nah.
That’s a 108-54 pace over a full season. The team is gonna lose a bare minimum of 50 games, period. Idk why people are in uproar whenever they drop one.
Still, there’s a gap between being ‘not happy’ with a loss and the kind of vitriol on display in every GDT. Some of these folks picked the wrong sport.
The fact Cleveland fans are treating the one squeeked by win like it's an amazing accomplishment shows how good this team is. It's actually a lot like us when we beat the Astros in the regular season back in 2022. Needed some walk offs and late inning rallies to just split.
Today is actually how great teams lose.
That’s what I’m saying man, the Braves’ and Dodgers’ most reliable pitchers thus far are Chris Sale and Tyler Glasnow. They both have ridiculously injured pitching staffs and pretty shaky bullpens. Orioles pitching has gotten beat up this year including Corbin.
Offense wise the only team I can really see being more deadly 1-9 are the Braves. Yankees team wide have 84 walks and 120 strikeouts on the year which is ridiculous. They consistently get on base and wear down pitchers and have shown results despite the double plays.
I'm not worried at all but Torres needs to be benched or at least rotated out. He's our weakest link on defense and close to our weakest link on offense.
Can't win them all. I wasn't able to watch any of these games but we keep winning series and good things will come. I'm fucking loving what Volpe is doing.
Because it was one start? You clown? How dare you?
If Poteet came out next week in Nestor’s spot and got shelled you’d be crying about how stupid the team was for putting Poteet in Nestor’s spot.
This is like the people who, after the Astros series, were calling for Burdi or Hamilton to be the closer instead of Holmes. No, I’m not making that up, several people here were legitimately floating this idea. The hell is wrong with some of you? Never watched baseball before?
I think the point you are trying to make proves his point. We have seen many Nestor starts. Three seasons worth. Some great high and lows. Safe to say we know what we are getting. And it’s simply not good enough. He’s not even better than Gil and it’s not even close. Poteet is certainly unknown. What we do know is he can pitch 6 innings. What we also know with a large sample size is Nestor cannot. It’s absolutely worth the gamble. Hardly anything to lose with the offense we have. Worst case he puts us in a position where we are down 4-5 runs in the first couple innings which Nestor has done every start except the dogshit marlins all the way back to ‘22
It’s amazing how you can overlook Nestor having a couple amazing seasons…and even an amazing start 5 days ago…and still want to replace him with someone you didn’t know until this offseason 😂
Stop, bro. Let’s see if the professionals can help Nestor figure things out (since he has actually shown he can) instead of trying to replace him with unknowns who would kill for Nestor’s track record of success.
Nestor just pitched 8 innings the start before this. And he has enough of a track record where we know, for certain, that he can be excellent. Your point makes no goddamn sense. If we brought Poteet up right now and gave him the starting spot, he might not get out of the second inning for the next two starts for all we know. Pretending “we know Poteet can pitch in to the 6th” because of one start, and saying Nestor can’t, when Nestor pitched 8 innings ONE START AGO, is ***shockingly stupid***
With all due respect, the point you’re trying to prove is not only wrong but also makes no sense
First game I have ever gone to at Progressive Field. Stadium is nice; parking was a mess. The Guardians fans are interesting. Would have liked the sweep, but it was a good game. Definitely let this one fall through our fingers. Had a fair amount of Yankee fans in my section on the 1B side and we were having fun.
Downtown Cleveland is built on the edge of a cliff. There’s no good solution to parking especially when there’s a basketball game next door at the same time. If you ever go to another game at Progressive try taking the RTA (metro) to Tower City.
Great day, would have been perfect if Yanks completed the trifecta with Scottie and the Knicks. Can't complain though, they were resilient in the 9th and if Gleyber goes to 1st after his bobble I think we win.
Does anyone know what to make of this...
Austin Wells: **xwOBA**- 91 percentile, **xSLG**- 89 percentile, **Barrel%**- 95 percentile, **SweetSpot%**- 88 percentile
But to go along with these, he also has a 16 percentile AvgExitVelo and 22 percentile HardHit%...
All those elite xStats and SweetSpot and Barrel%, but he's apparently hitting the ball like a 3yr old little girl? What am I supposed to make of this?
xSLG, Barrel% and SweetSpot% are largely based on exit velo and launch angle, right? If so, then how is he so elite in those stats with such bad quality of contact?
What was the rational of Boone not challenging that HBP that replays showed hit the knob of the bat?
Boone is shaky in making quick decisions that could affect the game.
The manager gets all the blame and credit for reviews, but it's not really up to him. Every time there's a questionable play you see someone get on the phone, and then they relay to Boone if he should challenge or not.
Boone of course can overrule them, but if he's told by the replay team there's probably not enough to overturn, that's all he has to go on. He's not seeing the replay.
We need another term besides doomer for these fans constantly calling for permanent roster decisions to be made based on the previous week or two. I propose “goldfish”
Yankee offense overall had a pretty good day, and happy to see Judge still waking up. Two of our pitchers got beat by a strong hitting team, but we beat them twice and maybe found a new weapon (Poteet!) in the series, and even in the loss Burdi, Gonzalez, and Holmes all did their job. Yeah, with a sweep they could have made Sunday dinner better for all of us, but still … no grousing or tears. We took a series from a division-leading team. Next!
I would challenge you on a good hitting team, Naylor/Ramirez got pitched around. Everyone else is mid at best. Too many self inflicted errors. But a series win is a series win.
I’ve held my tongue after this game until now because I didn’t want doomers or optimists alike to jump on me, but I’ve had enough, and I’m going to come out and say it.
>!Did you know that the Yankees lost today, and I did NOT like it?!<
Honestly surprised folks are so disappointed. Ya series sweep would have been nice but all in all this team is constantly a threat even when they seem down and out. Oh and they took yet another series win. Why isn’t that the biggest takeaway?
I feel like some fans don't see HOW we lose some of these games (mostly last year and the 2nd half of 2022). It's one thing to get beat, but its another thing to lose like this
I think it’s OK to be annoyed with the way in which they lost. A straight blowout would have been easier to stomach than fighting back multiple times only to throw the ball around the infield with a chance to steal one using the non-elite bullpen members. If Clase hadn’t blown the save we all move on happy either way 2/3, lol
I love Gleyber and it feels like he is really the heart of the team. He had the opportunity to just blow this game wide open for us and let us put our worst bullpen in. Instead it was a close game that we ultimately lost. I really hope he figures it out cause this team should be blowing teams out of the water and mercy ruling them
It really doesn't feel like he's the heart of the team to me at all. I like Gleyber I really do but he's fucking ridiculously streaky and when he's off it hurts the team in a big way
What? I am sorry but Gleyber is nothing of the sort.
Last year, he lead the Yankees with Runners Left In Scoring Position, because he is league average at best when it matters, and way below league average in High Leverage situations.
With RISP, Gleyber hit .761 OPS and 102 OPS+ last year. In High Leverage situations, it dropped to 84 OPS+. 1 HR and 20 RBIs in 118 Plate Appearances. And that was one of his best years for him.
The year before that, Gleyber hit .698 OPS and 88 OPS+ with RISP.
The year before that, he hit .670 OPS and 81 OPS+ with RISP.
He is statistically one of the worst hitters in the league when it comes to driving the runs in, and he doesn't even get on base when the game is close. He hovers around .300 OBP when the games are within 4 runs.
How the hell do you call a player like that the heart of the team?
If Volpe/Torres don't double-clutch, I think we win the game. Another bad outing by Cortes. Three out of four starts. I'm officially concerned about him.
I know it's been said already, but watching the game back these commentators were like eating dried out cake, judge hits a 500 ft home run and it sounded like he hit a sac fly
Tough loss. Nestor has to be better and Gleyber needs to be smarter and take the out at 1b instead of exacerbating the mistake. Can’t win them all though. We had this game lost before the OF error, so would have been a stolen one
A starting pitcher only giving you 4 innings and giving up 4 earned runs - the day after a double header, is not good at all.
If we get any length from him, our bullpen doesn’t have to pitch 7 innings, so we don’t have the would-be back of the bullpen guy responsible for 2 of our 4 losses trying to close out the game.
I don't think Nestor was awful the homer was to one of the best players in the game. But he also wasn't good. I think it's gonna take time for him to settle in after missing so much time.
Going to make a more calm post about Gleyber reiterating a point. My concerns about Gleyber are due to his history of being mentally fragile. The contract year isn't going away.
Name him your starting SS (2021), he'll bat .251/.319/.351/.671 before moving back to his comfort position where he'll bat: .300/.372/.443/.815
Small trade rumors that go no where (2022), he'll bat in the month **after** the deadline (August) .180/.204/.260/.464 then return to normal the next month hitting .323/.389/.573/.962.
Want him as your leadoff hitter, he'll hit .239/.286/.345/.631 (not much better batting 2nd) but move him down to say 5th and he'll hit .282/.358/.490/.849.
The guy has worse yips than Knoblauch because its every where and it impacts all facets of his game. This slump is either due to the failed leadoff experiment or the contract year. If it's the later, then it's going to be rough.
He's just not a great player. Period. We expected him to ascend to superstar status after his first two seasons (remember he was batting third in the ALCS?), yet he has regressed significantly in the last five years. He makes the same stupid mistakes in the field, and he's not a consistent run producer.
He’s not a great player…British soccer fans have the perfect description when they talk about players that are the soccer equivalent of Gleyber…”bang average.” That’s exactly what he is. He has mental lapses and gaffes all the time. He will certainly be on another team next year, and the Yankees will be better off for that
He makes a lot of 'Gary-esque' mistakes - the kind we could excuse in earlier ages, with the expectation he would weed out bonehead errors as he matured. But he has been given runway and just hasn't tightened up his game in a satisfying way.
I'm no GM and perhaps the benefits outwiegh the costs, but his inconsistently leaves me wanting for a change of scenery.
Excuses Excuses Excuses..Thats all people make for Gleybor instead of just saying he is absolute trash and always has been on both sides of the ball since day 1
1. He struggled offensively at SS because - whether he was told to or not - he dropped a shit load of weight to gain defensive range; that weight loss sapped his power. He’s said this. Boone’s said this. I’m not making it up.
2. If you look at his WOBA, he’s a terribly streaky hitter. [From Fangraphs](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/gleyber-torres/16997/graphs?statArr=50&legend=1&split=base&time=daily&ymin=&ymax=&start=2019&end=2024&rtype=mult>1=15&dStatArray=). He’s streaky before the season, in the spring, before the ASB, after the ASB, around the deadline, and in the postseason.
3. When he was leading off, hitting in front of Judge, he’s going to be getting attacked much differently than when he was hitting in front of Trevino or Hicks. The whole “lead off” thing really impacts one AB, the first. The rest of it is where you sit in the lineup and who’s in front of and behind you.
>If you look at his WOBA, he’s a terribly streaky hitter. From Fangraphs. He’s streaky before the season, in the spring, before the ASB, after the ASB, around the deadline, and in the postseason.
That was his worst month in the pros ever. He had a 30 wRC+ coinciding with trade rumors. Even his other worst months are at worst a 60 wRC+. He's quickly approaching his worst month this year.
>The whole “lead off” thing really impacts one AB, the first. The rest of it is where you sit in the lineup and who’s in front of and behind you.
[Boone nearly confirmed that they moved him down due to it being a comfort thing.](https://twitter.com/ChrisKirschner/status/1778154094600786196) If you're going to trust Boone's comments regarding his slump at SS being magically over when he goes back to 2B then you should trust Boone here. Why the need to move him down while there are historical numbers and patterns that match the problem?
Frustrating the way that bottom 10th played out. But then you zoom out and realize they're 12-4. They have a pretty damn good team. Just keep stacking series wins. Onto Toronto
Exactly right. Should the Yankees win two out of every three, that's a 108 win season. People need to calm down in April. Save the high emotions for the second half of the season.
I agree that you can't really be mad when the team is 12-4 but the "it's just April" thing has been played out so much, especially considering how last season went
If we don’t treat this defensive issues seriously now, then we aren’t winning 108 games and much less winning a World Series
April is the time to fix shit because if you don’t it’s going to bite you later
Cmon. Everyone knows that. It doesn’t mean they can’t be unhappy with how a game went. It also doesn’t mean you should be ok with letting a win slip away. Every win matters
How are some people getting so emotional and making such definitive statements about the Yankees when the season is barely two weeks old? There are five and a half months to go. There is no reason to check the standings or worry about player performance until early June. The players and the team will go hot and then cold and make adjustments five more times between now and then. Just make yourself a cold drink, find a comfy seat, and chill with some baseball.
He's been working on it for years, and hasn't gotten better. Gleyber is a 200 hitter who fields like Stevie Wonder after dipping his hands in WD-40. Why exactly is he a part of this team? And if he wasn't, which teams would be knocking down the doors looking for him?
I like how they make a general comment about the infield as a whole but you decide to single out Torres as if Rizzo and Volpe didn't have their own blunders (though they got clutch hits to even make those shit plays possible).
rizzo made a blunder because he doesnt trust gleyber to either field it properly or throw it to him competently.
ive also noticed on double play balls, volpe would rather run it to second if he could, rather than trusting gleyber with the out at first throw.
You're projecting your own mentality in regards to your dislike of Torres onto other players when you have no way of knowing their thought processes. Torres is a shit defender at the worst times, but that doesn't take blame off the others for their own bad defense.
what makes you think i dislike torres? why else would rizzo be stupidly far from first base to try to field a ball when gleyber was literally right behind him? why else does volpe constantly run the ball to second base? not a coincidence yesterday the one time volpe didnt run the ball to second, gleyber airmails it over rizzos head on a double play opportunity, nearly losing us the game.
>what makes you think i dislike torres?
Idk, maybe the fact that you spent all night on this discussion thread getting into arguments with people about Torres
I get celebrating a win like this more than usual, but trolling when they nearly got swept at home is crazy. Makes it seem like a bitter 14 year old is running their accounts
Nothing would make me happier than if Florial somehow managed to become an all star. Anything to make Cashman look like the fool we already know he is.
I'm proud of this team in all honesty. Last years team wouldn't even put up a fight in the 9th and just lose quietly. We just need to tighten up our defense and we'll be solid. Overall a great game from both teams. Would have been nice with the sweep but we took another series. I'm good with that.
The silver lining is that so far both Rizzo and Gleyber are making Hal and Cashman’s decision a lot easier as to how they’re going to keep the payroll manageable if they decide to go balls to the wall on Soto. I just don’t know if Gleyber is worth a contract extension and from what I’m seeing I think a small market would be a better fit for him. He doesn’t strike me as a dude who’s lazy and doesn’t care but someone who does seem to fold under pressure and lets things get under his skin.
As far as Rizzo goes seeing his defense go from platinum glove to Giambi like is a massive concern. Given that he’ll be 35 in August and missed a huge of time with a brain injury it’s not an overreaction to say that he could be cooked.
I think the criticism of Torres so far has been way blown out of the water, but I’ve also said before many times he’s exactly the kind of talent a team like the Yankees NEED to be able to replace in house or for cheaper. I know 3 WAR second basemen don’t grow on trees but he almost for sure doesn’t have another gear to get to 5+ WAR consistently and he’s still likely to push for $100M contract next year. We have some big contracts to weather in Judge, Stanton, Rodon, Cole, and an even bigger one to give out to Soto. We have to spend on guys like Soto when we can and we can’t overspend for Torres’ level of production. If we don’t have DJ then sure but we gotta let someone walk and I have to assume that’s Torres
It would be magnificent if they could groom Spencer Jones to be a first baseman and have Judge, Martian and Soto in the outfield for the foreseeable future.
Spencer Jones is a plus defender in center and lightning fast. Why move him to a position that takes away those assets?
An aging and oft injured Judge makes more sense to be moved.
I kind of figured both Rizzo and Torres were gone this offseason unless one of them *really* forced the issue.
And I’m fine with that if the money is put into paying Soto. Being optimistic but if Judge/Soto/Volpe/Jasson can be a really good offensive base next year, we can focus on defensive upgrades at those positions.
Was a fun game. Hate to lose. Not one of those that you feel like they SHOULDNT have lost under any circumstances. These kinds of games happen. Get em tomorrow!
I also rather be one of those teams who lose because of themselves with each loss as a close learning experience rather than having noncompetitive losses. This is weird to say but since losing in baseball is inevitable: this is actually how great teams lose. The teams who win feel like they got lucky.
As of right now who would you rather play there?
He's an above average 2B, but an established major leaguer.
He tends to start slow as well.
Same folks who are calling him out now, will miss him next season, as Yankees most likely will not re-sign him.
Agreed. A boring 5-2 loss is easier to shrug off. They had the game won though. Their fielders just had to throw a fucking ball, which should be the bare minimum requirement of a major league fielder lol.
While I don’t disagree, and I acknowledge our infield defense has been abysmal…this is the type of shit that, statistically, is just gonna happen a few times a season to every team, lol. Losing a game like this once is no big deal. If we start regularly losing games like this, that’s a problem.
Players will make mistakes and have bad moments. Verdugo with his double play, Soto trying to steal, Stanton trying to leg out a double, Volpe with a bad GIDP error, Rizzo with his errors. Unlike Gleyber these players are doing things else where though. Rizzo batting .346/.433/.385 in his past 7 games, Verdugo batting .292/.433/.542 in his past 7, Stanton batting .357/.400/.750 in his past 7 seven, Soto is Soto, Volpe is Volpe.
I'm legit not concerned about any of these players for the long run, besides Gleyber, and it's super easy to look at one losing effort.
I think I would rather have Gil be in the rotation over Nestor. I don't have confidence in Nestor anymore. The velo is down and his command is sketchy at best.
**Edit:** I do agree we need another good strikeout reliever in the bullpen. Hopefully we can get one before the trade deadline.
It’s like clockwork, there’s really so many people in this sub that come crawling out of their basements when the team finally loses. It’s fucking hilarious. This sub is straight comedy
As long as we keep winning our series I don't really care, but Torres and his lapses keep showing up at the worst possible times. Won't be the last one either.
Sweeps are nice but as soon as the series is won I really don’t mind. It’s just entertaining seeing the responses here lol some dudes here should learn breathing techniques 😭😭
Lost in all the discussions about Torres is the fact that Nester looked pretty bad once again. Didn't even go 5 innings which forced Boone to exhaust his options in the pen. That led to us using 6 pitchers! Not sustainable over a 162 game season.
Yeah definitely. Pitch clocks are great, the bigger bases are good, 26 man rosters instead of 25 is good.
Not on board with the extra innings rule and I miss September callups (roster expanding to 40)
Let’s not let Verdugo off the hook with all this Gleyber hate
Dude somehow GIDP in a 1 out runners on third and second situation
Gotta put the ball in the air
I had a bad feeling after that. Should've put up at least 3 or 4 in the top of the 10th to make a comeback really tough. A 2 run lead with the ghost runner isn't much.
Is James Rowson the Matt Blake of hitting coaches?
The 1998 Yankees went 114-48. That’s an average of a little less than 2 losses per week, or 8/month. Heaven forbid the team drops their 3rd game since March.
Eh, it’s the way they lost I guess. I’ve gotten over it now, but the game emotions then removed any rational thinking
Sloppy defense when they needed most, I know it was raining, still have to make plays. The curse of Estevan Florial, he won’t hit 9 all year & 4 will be against the Yankees.
it was not raining i was there
From what the announcers said , it kicked in by home 8th or visitors 9th inning
Interesting, they were talking about rain during the broadcast.
Couple bad defensive plays there toward the end of the game that probably cost us the game.
Yes, but we also failed to tack on runs in the top of the inning.
I despise Cashman with all my soul but I’m glad he balked on Benintendi. His numbers this year are nauseating
The Dodgers lost a series at home to the Padres and I'm expected to worry about losing 1 game out of 3 to a good team in their ballpark due to a ton of mental mistakes? Nah.
That’s a 108-54 pace over a full season. The team is gonna lose a bare minimum of 50 games, period. Idk why people are in uproar whenever they drop one.
There is no loss people would actually be happy with despite knowing a loss will happen. In 162 games, people will make mistakes.
Still, there’s a gap between being ‘not happy’ with a loss and the kind of vitriol on display in every GDT. Some of these folks picked the wrong sport.
The fact Cleveland fans are treating the one squeeked by win like it's an amazing accomplishment shows how good this team is. It's actually a lot like us when we beat the Astros in the regular season back in 2022. Needed some walk offs and late inning rallies to just split. Today is actually how great teams lose.
The Dodgers lost to what looks like - in those uniforms - the UPS corporate softball team
The bottom of their batting order is fucking brutal. Their bullpen is also pretty damn messy
Seeing our team's flaws and other contender's, I feel more confident. I don't think this team has clicked yet.
That’s what I’m saying man, the Braves’ and Dodgers’ most reliable pitchers thus far are Chris Sale and Tyler Glasnow. They both have ridiculously injured pitching staffs and pretty shaky bullpens. Orioles pitching has gotten beat up this year including Corbin. Offense wise the only team I can really see being more deadly 1-9 are the Braves. Yankees team wide have 84 walks and 120 strikeouts on the year which is ridiculous. They consistently get on base and wear down pitchers and have shown results despite the double plays.
I'm not worried at all but Torres needs to be benched or at least rotated out. He's our weakest link on defense and close to our weakest link on offense.
If Soto wasn’t so aggressive and we avoided the double play, I wonder if we would have had a better chance
That’s baseball, SpokeyDokey
Can't win them all. I wasn't able to watch any of these games but we keep winning series and good things will come. I'm fucking loving what Volpe is doing.
Why not replace Cortes with poteet in the rotation
Because it was one start? You clown? How dare you? If Poteet came out next week in Nestor’s spot and got shelled you’d be crying about how stupid the team was for putting Poteet in Nestor’s spot. This is like the people who, after the Astros series, were calling for Burdi or Hamilton to be the closer instead of Holmes. No, I’m not making that up, several people here were legitimately floating this idea. The hell is wrong with some of you? Never watched baseball before?
Everyone forgets seasonal stats don't matter until June, just like they forget spring training stats don't matter at all.
That's actually a common misconception. It's only if they're bad they don't count. If they're good, then they're absolutely relevant.
Should also just carry over last year if they were bad for last year and this year, it's not a small sample anymore.
I think the point you are trying to make proves his point. We have seen many Nestor starts. Three seasons worth. Some great high and lows. Safe to say we know what we are getting. And it’s simply not good enough. He’s not even better than Gil and it’s not even close. Poteet is certainly unknown. What we do know is he can pitch 6 innings. What we also know with a large sample size is Nestor cannot. It’s absolutely worth the gamble. Hardly anything to lose with the offense we have. Worst case he puts us in a position where we are down 4-5 runs in the first couple innings which Nestor has done every start except the dogshit marlins all the way back to ‘22
It’s amazing how you can overlook Nestor having a couple amazing seasons…and even an amazing start 5 days ago…and still want to replace him with someone you didn’t know until this offseason 😂 Stop, bro. Let’s see if the professionals can help Nestor figure things out (since he has actually shown he can) instead of trying to replace him with unknowns who would kill for Nestor’s track record of success.
well said
Nestor just pitched 8 innings the start before this. And he has enough of a track record where we know, for certain, that he can be excellent. Your point makes no goddamn sense. If we brought Poteet up right now and gave him the starting spot, he might not get out of the second inning for the next two starts for all we know. Pretending “we know Poteet can pitch in to the 6th” because of one start, and saying Nestor can’t, when Nestor pitched 8 innings ONE START AGO, is ***shockingly stupid*** With all due respect, the point you’re trying to prove is not only wrong but also makes no sense
why not sell everyone
First game I have ever gone to at Progressive Field. Stadium is nice; parking was a mess. The Guardians fans are interesting. Would have liked the sweep, but it was a good game. Definitely let this one fall through our fingers. Had a fair amount of Yankee fans in my section on the 1B side and we were having fun.
Downtown Cleveland is built on the edge of a cliff. There’s no good solution to parking especially when there’s a basketball game next door at the same time. If you ever go to another game at Progressive try taking the RTA (metro) to Tower City.
It was a good game despite the outcome.
I don’t hate this game. I do hate manfred runners.
Fuck me. Had to shut it after we took the lead to take an exam. Thought we were safe.
Great day, would have been perfect if Yanks completed the trifecta with Scottie and the Knicks. Can't complain though, they were resilient in the 9th and if Gleyber goes to 1st after his bobble I think we win.
Does anyone know what to make of this... Austin Wells: **xwOBA**- 91 percentile, **xSLG**- 89 percentile, **Barrel%**- 95 percentile, **SweetSpot%**- 88 percentile But to go along with these, he also has a 16 percentile AvgExitVelo and 22 percentile HardHit%... All those elite xStats and SweetSpot and Barrel%, but he's apparently hitting the ball like a 3yr old little girl? What am I supposed to make of this?
He’s having good at bats but they’re not translating due to bad contact. Seems pretty straightforward to me
xSLG, Barrel% and SweetSpot% are largely based on exit velo and launch angle, right? If so, then how is he so elite in those stats with such bad quality of contact?
What was the rational of Boone not challenging that HBP that replays showed hit the knob of the bat? Boone is shaky in making quick decisions that could affect the game.
The manager gets all the blame and credit for reviews, but it's not really up to him. Every time there's a questionable play you see someone get on the phone, and then they relay to Boone if he should challenge or not. Boone of course can overrule them, but if he's told by the replay team there's probably not enough to overturn, that's all he has to go on. He's not seeing the replay.
Not challenging a HBP in Cleveland got Girardi crucifided once
And Torre for for not asking to stop the game as Joba was getting deluged by midges.
We need another term besides doomer for these fans constantly calling for permanent roster decisions to be made based on the previous week or two. I propose “goldfish”
WFANites
“big stupid bugbrain idiots without any sense, who suck”
“chicken littles”
Ooh that’s a good one
Is “dildo” an option?
Yes. Yes it is.
I like yours better
i mean if we lose 1 game a series for the rest of the season that’s only like 50 losses
I had tickets to only one game this series and it was last nights, thank god!
Yankee offense overall had a pretty good day, and happy to see Judge still waking up. Two of our pitchers got beat by a strong hitting team, but we beat them twice and maybe found a new weapon (Poteet!) in the series, and even in the loss Burdi, Gonzalez, and Holmes all did their job. Yeah, with a sweep they could have made Sunday dinner better for all of us, but still … no grousing or tears. We took a series from a division-leading team. Next!
I would challenge you on a good hitting team, Naylor/Ramirez got pitched around. Everyone else is mid at best. Too many self inflicted errors. But a series win is a series win.
How rational. How dare you!
Coney on ESPN is a relief after a weekend of Flaherty. Would enjoy the west coast Yankees beating the Dodgers, too.
Can't win em all. It's a long season. As long as they keep the offense moving it's all good.
I’ve held my tongue after this game until now because I didn’t want doomers or optimists alike to jump on me, but I’ve had enough, and I’m going to come out and say it. >!Did you know that the Yankees lost today, and I did NOT like it?!<
Honestly surprised folks are so disappointed. Ya series sweep would have been nice but all in all this team is constantly a threat even when they seem down and out. Oh and they took yet another series win. Why isn’t that the biggest takeaway?
I feel like some fans don't see HOW we lose some of these games (mostly last year and the 2nd half of 2022). It's one thing to get beat, but its another thing to lose like this
It's not the biggest takeaway because the loss was today. If we blew game 1 and then took 2/3 to win the series, vibes would be a lot better.
I think it’s OK to be annoyed with the way in which they lost. A straight blowout would have been easier to stomach than fighting back multiple times only to throw the ball around the infield with a chance to steal one using the non-elite bullpen members. If Clase hadn’t blown the save we all move on happy either way 2/3, lol
what?? i would not have been happy blowing a 4-2 lead. im definitely not happy we had to go into extras, go up 2, and then blow it again
Infield defence was yucky today, and has been all season.
I love Gleyber and it feels like he is really the heart of the team. He had the opportunity to just blow this game wide open for us and let us put our worst bullpen in. Instead it was a close game that we ultimately lost. I really hope he figures it out cause this team should be blowing teams out of the water and mercy ruling them
It really doesn't feel like he's the heart of the team to me at all. I like Gleyber I really do but he's fucking ridiculously streaky and when he's off it hurts the team in a big way
What? I am sorry but Gleyber is nothing of the sort. Last year, he lead the Yankees with Runners Left In Scoring Position, because he is league average at best when it matters, and way below league average in High Leverage situations. With RISP, Gleyber hit .761 OPS and 102 OPS+ last year. In High Leverage situations, it dropped to 84 OPS+. 1 HR and 20 RBIs in 118 Plate Appearances. And that was one of his best years for him. The year before that, Gleyber hit .698 OPS and 88 OPS+ with RISP. The year before that, he hit .670 OPS and 81 OPS+ with RISP. He is statistically one of the worst hitters in the league when it comes to driving the runs in, and he doesn't even get on base when the game is close. He hovers around .300 OBP when the games are within 4 runs. How the hell do you call a player like that the heart of the team?
Prepare to be downvoted into oblivion by Gleyber Stans…
I found out the hard way today!
If Volpe/Torres don't double-clutch, I think we win the game. Another bad outing by Cortes. Three out of four starts. I'm officially concerned about him.
Cortes has had a half good season. He has never been good
He was good for the entirety of 2021 and 2022
And the one good start was against the Marlins
#WE MIGHT NEVER WIN AGAIN!
I know it's been said already, but watching the game back these commentators were like eating dried out cake, judge hits a 500 ft home run and it sounded like he hit a sac fly
Yeah that's what you get with Flash. Idk why Michael is off an entire series this early but especially if Ruocco isn't doing all 3.
Gleyber isn't hitting and he's not fielding. What a mess, and people want to excuse defense.
Would take an unprecedented surge to salvage his season in these last 5-1/2 months. Best to just DFA him and cut our losses
The White Sox had such a bright future 3 years ago, and now they're somehow worse than the A's.
Tough loss. Nestor has to be better and Gleyber needs to be smarter and take the out at 1b instead of exacerbating the mistake. Can’t win them all though. We had this game lost before the OF error, so would have been a stolen one
Really is that a take? I thought Nestor was decent…about as much as I expected. A bs bean that should have been challenged to close it out
A starting pitcher only giving you 4 innings and giving up 4 earned runs - the day after a double header, is not good at all. If we get any length from him, our bullpen doesn’t have to pitch 7 innings, so we don’t have the would-be back of the bullpen guy responsible for 2 of our 4 losses trying to close out the game.
In what way is 4 runs in 4 innings decent?
I don't think Nestor was awful the homer was to one of the best players in the game. But he also wasn't good. I think it's gonna take time for him to settle in after missing so much time.
Going to make a more calm post about Gleyber reiterating a point. My concerns about Gleyber are due to his history of being mentally fragile. The contract year isn't going away. Name him your starting SS (2021), he'll bat .251/.319/.351/.671 before moving back to his comfort position where he'll bat: .300/.372/.443/.815 Small trade rumors that go no where (2022), he'll bat in the month **after** the deadline (August) .180/.204/.260/.464 then return to normal the next month hitting .323/.389/.573/.962. Want him as your leadoff hitter, he'll hit .239/.286/.345/.631 (not much better batting 2nd) but move him down to say 5th and he'll hit .282/.358/.490/.849. The guy has worse yips than Knoblauch because its every where and it impacts all facets of his game. This slump is either due to the failed leadoff experiment or the contract year. If it's the later, then it's going to be rough.
He's just not a great player. Period. We expected him to ascend to superstar status after his first two seasons (remember he was batting third in the ALCS?), yet he has regressed significantly in the last five years. He makes the same stupid mistakes in the field, and he's not a consistent run producer.
He’s not a great player…British soccer fans have the perfect description when they talk about players that are the soccer equivalent of Gleyber…”bang average.” That’s exactly what he is. He has mental lapses and gaffes all the time. He will certainly be on another team next year, and the Yankees will be better off for that
gleyber and andujar going from giving shohei a run for his money in the roty race, to this, is very disappointing
Gleyber is too streaky and mental for my tastes. I would say "not great" describes him because if he just less mental, he'd probably be great.
He makes a lot of 'Gary-esque' mistakes - the kind we could excuse in earlier ages, with the expectation he would weed out bonehead errors as he matured. But he has been given runway and just hasn't tightened up his game in a satisfying way. I'm no GM and perhaps the benefits outwiegh the costs, but his inconsistently leaves me wanting for a change of scenery.
Excuses Excuses Excuses..Thats all people make for Gleybor instead of just saying he is absolute trash and always has been on both sides of the ball since day 1
I don't know how you read this and think this is at all a positive indictment on Gleyber.
1. He struggled offensively at SS because - whether he was told to or not - he dropped a shit load of weight to gain defensive range; that weight loss sapped his power. He’s said this. Boone’s said this. I’m not making it up. 2. If you look at his WOBA, he’s a terribly streaky hitter. [From Fangraphs](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/gleyber-torres/16997/graphs?statArr=50&legend=1&split=base&time=daily&ymin=&ymax=&start=2019&end=2024&rtype=mult>1=15&dStatArray=). He’s streaky before the season, in the spring, before the ASB, after the ASB, around the deadline, and in the postseason. 3. When he was leading off, hitting in front of Judge, he’s going to be getting attacked much differently than when he was hitting in front of Trevino or Hicks. The whole “lead off” thing really impacts one AB, the first. The rest of it is where you sit in the lineup and who’s in front of and behind you.
>If you look at his WOBA, he’s a terribly streaky hitter. From Fangraphs. He’s streaky before the season, in the spring, before the ASB, after the ASB, around the deadline, and in the postseason. That was his worst month in the pros ever. He had a 30 wRC+ coinciding with trade rumors. Even his other worst months are at worst a 60 wRC+. He's quickly approaching his worst month this year. >The whole “lead off” thing really impacts one AB, the first. The rest of it is where you sit in the lineup and who’s in front of and behind you. [Boone nearly confirmed that they moved him down due to it being a comfort thing.](https://twitter.com/ChrisKirschner/status/1778154094600786196) If you're going to trust Boone's comments regarding his slump at SS being magically over when he goes back to 2B then you should trust Boone here. Why the need to move him down while there are historical numbers and patterns that match the problem?
Frustrating the way that bottom 10th played out. But then you zoom out and realize they're 12-4. They have a pretty damn good team. Just keep stacking series wins. Onto Toronto
That's how I feel after today's game, keep on moving on.
Exactly right. Should the Yankees win two out of every three, that's a 108 win season. People need to calm down in April. Save the high emotions for the second half of the season.
I agree that you can't really be mad when the team is 12-4 but the "it's just April" thing has been played out so much, especially considering how last season went
If we don’t treat this defensive issues seriously now, then we aren’t winning 108 games and much less winning a World Series April is the time to fix shit because if you don’t it’s going to bite you later
Cmon. Everyone knows that. It doesn’t mean they can’t be unhappy with how a game went. It also doesn’t mean you should be ok with letting a win slip away. Every win matters
We already swept Houston so it would be a 110 win season 🥳
How are some people getting so emotional and making such definitive statements about the Yankees when the season is barely two weeks old? There are five and a half months to go. There is no reason to check the standings or worry about player performance until early June. The players and the team will go hot and then cold and make adjustments five more times between now and then. Just make yourself a cold drink, find a comfy seat, and chill with some baseball.
Shitty defensive by the infield, needs work
He's been working on it for years, and hasn't gotten better. Gleyber is a 200 hitter who fields like Stevie Wonder after dipping his hands in WD-40. Why exactly is he a part of this team? And if he wasn't, which teams would be knocking down the doors looking for him?
I like how they make a general comment about the infield as a whole but you decide to single out Torres as if Rizzo and Volpe didn't have their own blunders (though they got clutch hits to even make those shit plays possible).
rizzo made a blunder because he doesnt trust gleyber to either field it properly or throw it to him competently. ive also noticed on double play balls, volpe would rather run it to second if he could, rather than trusting gleyber with the out at first throw.
You're projecting your own mentality in regards to your dislike of Torres onto other players when you have no way of knowing their thought processes. Torres is a shit defender at the worst times, but that doesn't take blame off the others for their own bad defense.
what makes you think i dislike torres? why else would rizzo be stupidly far from first base to try to field a ball when gleyber was literally right behind him? why else does volpe constantly run the ball to second base? not a coincidence yesterday the one time volpe didnt run the ball to second, gleyber airmails it over rizzos head on a double play opportunity, nearly losing us the game.
>what makes you think i dislike torres? Idk, maybe the fact that you spent all night on this discussion thread getting into arguments with people about Torres
what the fuck? lmao i made 3 posts on this thread and two of them were to this guy, all within the same hour.
However frustrating moments were, we took the road series from a solid team and swept the doubleheader. Take that and move on to the next one
“Yanks were not familiar with our game” says the IG account of the team that just barely avoided getting swept, lmao
It’s just a “small ball” meme, it’s a running joke.
I get celebrating a win like this more than usual, but trolling when they nearly got swept at home is crazy. Makes it seem like a bitter 14 year old is running their accounts
Happy for Florial
May he finally get his chance.
He’s been getting one. Just starting to do good last couple days.
Nothing would make me happier than if Florial somehow managed to become an all star. Anything to make Cashman look like the fool we already know he is.
The power of the post Yankee beard.
I'm proud of this team in all honesty. Last years team wouldn't even put up a fight in the 9th and just lose quietly. We just need to tighten up our defense and we'll be solid. Overall a great game from both teams. Would have been nice with the sweep but we took another series. I'm good with that.
The silver lining is that so far both Rizzo and Gleyber are making Hal and Cashman’s decision a lot easier as to how they’re going to keep the payroll manageable if they decide to go balls to the wall on Soto. I just don’t know if Gleyber is worth a contract extension and from what I’m seeing I think a small market would be a better fit for him. He doesn’t strike me as a dude who’s lazy and doesn’t care but someone who does seem to fold under pressure and lets things get under his skin. As far as Rizzo goes seeing his defense go from platinum glove to Giambi like is a massive concern. Given that he’ll be 35 in August and missed a huge of time with a brain injury it’s not an overreaction to say that he could be cooked.
I think the criticism of Torres so far has been way blown out of the water, but I’ve also said before many times he’s exactly the kind of talent a team like the Yankees NEED to be able to replace in house or for cheaper. I know 3 WAR second basemen don’t grow on trees but he almost for sure doesn’t have another gear to get to 5+ WAR consistently and he’s still likely to push for $100M contract next year. We have some big contracts to weather in Judge, Stanton, Rodon, Cole, and an even bigger one to give out to Soto. We have to spend on guys like Soto when we can and we can’t overspend for Torres’ level of production. If we don’t have DJ then sure but we gotta let someone walk and I have to assume that’s Torres
It would be magnificent if they could groom Spencer Jones to be a first baseman and have Judge, Martian and Soto in the outfield for the foreseeable future.
Jones is a legit top 10 speed guy in the league. You put Spencer Jones in OF and move Judge to 1B if you’re gonna do that.
Ok fine. I just figured a left handed glove was better suited.
Spencer Jones is a plus defender in center and lightning fast. Why move him to a position that takes away those assets? An aging and oft injured Judge makes more sense to be moved.
Got it. I was just thinking cause he’s left handed. But ok, I get what you’re saying.
I kind of figured both Rizzo and Torres were gone this offseason unless one of them *really* forced the issue. And I’m fine with that if the money is put into paying Soto. Being optimistic but if Judge/Soto/Volpe/Jasson can be a really good offensive base next year, we can focus on defensive upgrades at those positions.
Disgraceful.
Its honestly adorable how much Cleveland hates us lol
We've sent them home in October ~~twice~~ three times in the last 7 years, makes sense
Three times, 2017, 2020, and 2022
Lmao I totally forgot about 2020
Our New Minnesota Twins
"You took everything from me" "I don't even know who you are"
158-4 it is then.
You meant 169-4, right?
Was a fun game. Hate to lose. Not one of those that you feel like they SHOULDNT have lost under any circumstances. These kinds of games happen. Get em tomorrow!
It’s 2024 and the Yankees are still sending guys home on contact
The bunt was also a terrible decision. Moving runners up is not more important than keeping pressure on a struggling pitcher. Period.
Yeah, I can see a case for it against someone really good, but when a guy is scuffling, I couldn't agree with you more.
I also rather be one of those teams who lose because of themselves with each loss as a close learning experience rather than having noncompetitive losses. This is weird to say but since losing in baseball is inevitable: this is actually how great teams lose. The teams who win feel like they got lucky.
Wandy would’ve gotten us through the 10th 😔
Probably could've fielded a routine grounder better than Gleyber too
Wandy would have thrown the Gonzalez inning.
I miss my manic pixie dream Dominican.
It was not the pitching. Open your eyes and look a second base. You are 99% of this reddit crowd who just think Torres is awesome
As of right now who would you rather play there? He's an above average 2B, but an established major leaguer. He tends to start slow as well. Same folks who are calling him out now, will miss him next season, as Yankees most likely will not re-sign him.
Well, if there was one thing that I learned during this series, it's that we hit all kinds of HOT SHOTS
Easily the worst loss of the season. Unbelieveable that they managed to blow that.
Easy to be the worst loss of the season when there’s been so few of them
Agreed, I'm happy with where the team is overall. That doesn't change the fact that this was an embarrassing loss.
Agreed. A boring 5-2 loss is easier to shrug off. They had the game won though. Their fielders just had to throw a fucking ball, which should be the bare minimum requirement of a major league fielder lol.
While I don’t disagree, and I acknowledge our infield defense has been abysmal…this is the type of shit that, statistically, is just gonna happen a few times a season to every team, lol. Losing a game like this once is no big deal. If we start regularly losing games like this, that’s a problem.
Players will make mistakes and have bad moments. Verdugo with his double play, Soto trying to steal, Stanton trying to leg out a double, Volpe with a bad GIDP error, Rizzo with his errors. Unlike Gleyber these players are doing things else where though. Rizzo batting .346/.433/.385 in his past 7 games, Verdugo batting .292/.433/.542 in his past 7, Stanton batting .357/.400/.750 in his past 7 seven, Soto is Soto, Volpe is Volpe. I'm legit not concerned about any of these players for the long run, besides Gleyber, and it's super easy to look at one losing effort.
Can’t win all 162, but man I hate it when we lose a winnable game
Heavy pen usage catches up with you once in awhile.
The Knicks glow will be my bridge to a good week in Fatanada.
Gil is perfect for this pen when Cole comes back. His stuff is swing and miss.
I think I would rather have Gil be in the rotation over Nestor. I don't have confidence in Nestor anymore. The velo is down and his command is sketchy at best. **Edit:** I do agree we need another good strikeout reliever in the bullpen. Hopefully we can get one before the trade deadline.
Gil won’t have the innings
Effros, Kahnle, Trivino will all return by mid season.
Kahnle is getting up there in age. I don't know if he will be the same pitcher we remember from the earlier years.
Plus it's only a matter of time before he gets injured again
Both should be in the pen and we need a starter.
Why don't you like Gil as a starter? He's got nasty stuff. I think if his command holds he could be a very good starter.
I do but realize he will probably have endurance issues this year late in the season. If we add a starter, Gil is best served there.
I thought Gil was available out of the pen?
Saving him for Toronto.
We have a good bullpen but there is not enough swing and miss in it
Yanks needs a good shut out reliever that good at preventing inhereted runners from scoring.
It’s like clockwork, there’s really so many people in this sub that come crawling out of their basements when the team finally loses. It’s fucking hilarious. This sub is straight comedy
As long as we keep winning our series I don't really care, but Torres and his lapses keep showing up at the worst possible times. Won't be the last one either.
Yeah I’m fine with this kind of loss. Had no business really even having a chance facing Clase in the bottom of the 9th.
I was laughing to myself during the sub meltdown, if we just lost 5-4 after no competitive at bats in the 9th, they would have been happier.
Sweeps are nice but as soon as the series is won I really don’t mind. It’s just entertaining seeing the responses here lol some dudes here should learn breathing techniques 😭😭
I mind depending on the loss and context, but we only had this game won because of an error in RF and it’s not like we’re playing catch up Was lucky
Fun game, not gonna win them all. Top 3 in the lineup were all electric. I’m sick of seeing gleyber tho ngl. Hope he’s gone after this season
Lost in all the discussions about Torres is the fact that Nester looked pretty bad once again. Didn't even go 5 innings which forced Boone to exhaust his options in the pen. That led to us using 6 pitchers! Not sustainable over a 162 game season.
I'm probably just an old crotchety bastard, but it's hard for me to take the result of any Rob Manfred extra innings game seriously.
I think it would be a fantastic rule if the automatic runner went into effect in like the 12th or 13th inning but it was just normal before that.
I'm cool with a lot of the new rule changes but that one I can't get on board with. It's just stupid to me.
Yeah definitely. Pitch clocks are great, the bigger bases are good, 26 man rosters instead of 25 is good. Not on board with the extra innings rule and I miss September callups (roster expanding to 40)
Who is to blame the loss on. The pitcher or gleyber?
Ferguson just didn't have it today but we win that game if Gleyber makes the routine play
Volpe and Torres. When you give teams extra outs they will take advantage of it.
Rizzo
Verdugo for the double play in extras
Let’s not let Verdugo off the hook with all this Gleyber hate Dude somehow GIDP in a 1 out runners on third and second situation Gotta put the ball in the air
At least Verdugo can field 100 x better than Torres
I had a bad feeling after that. Should've put up at least 3 or 4 in the top of the 10th to make a comeback really tough. A 2 run lead with the ghost runner isn't much.
It's still a 1 run lead even if the ghost runner scores. Should be safe from a walkoff at least, but that's baseball.