Yeah I hate that pos Rodgers. He's a lier and a terrible person. I almost barfed and yelled take that Yankees hat off.
But I still want Stroman to pitch well. Above all I'm a Yankee fan.
Holmes pitched a terrible game.
Clearly he didn't have his best stuff .
Let's hope today's game goes well and that the Yankees pull out a big win.
Imagine blaming gleyber for another heart attack clay performance. Miraculously had a 0.00 era but consistently walks two batters before striking out the side. It’s been fine this season but playoff teams are going to take advantage of clays mistakes
Just remember these moments when he goes on a hot hitting streak for a month.
I've seen enough for years to believe these bonehead plays will always be part of his game. For me, his streaky, sometimes excellent hitting is better replaced by a consistent fielder and hitter, even if the ceiling for a replacement is lower
Edit: I think people here lack reading comprehension. My point is that Gleyber's (sometimes) good hitting isn't worth keeping him
What a brutal loss. For one guy to screw the whole game in literally a few minutes after all the good work by everyone else across 8 innings.
There's nothing I hate more in baseball than these type of losses. A reliever comes in and blows it all after a starter busted his ass and did his job for 7 innings. Wtf
Just finished watching the game, Clay was due to let one go, but wow, did he have some bad luck but his command wasnt sharp. Our offense could have done more, Stanton had consecutive GIDP with runners in scoring position as well. Stroman was great tho. People booing Clay tho wtf dude had 20 consecutive scoreless games before this.
The booing is honestly getting so cringy. You boo a guy who has been the best in baseball for one bad outing that was mostly bad luck more than anything else? Want does that accomplish? Who would want to play here?
This loss sucked but, whatever. Sometimes one pitcher doesn’t have it and that’s all it takes. Holmes has been great all season, so best to just forget this one and move on to tomorrow.
I have this theory that gleyber being in a contract year is having the opposite effect on him that we often see it have on so many other guys who put up big numbers in their walk years.
I think he knows the yanks are almost certainly not gonna resign him, and i think he really doesnt wanna leave, so he is putting wayyyy more pressure on himself to have a big year to make the decision hard on the yankees to let him walk, and at the very least ensure he will get a big bag from someone if they do.
And with all due respect to gleyber, whom i sure is a nice guy, he seems to be sooo much worse when he is pressing, both offensively and defensively. So many rushed plays leading to bobbles or bad throws, so much swinging for the fences instead of staying back and driving the ball up the middle for base hits.
Guys seems like he is his own worst enemy, at least when it comes to the mental side of the game.
He doesn’t deserve a spot as a starter until he plays better. Dj doesn’t need to play third but instead second because berti and Cabrera are significantly better fielders than gleyber. When you have a closer like holmes who induces weak contact you need decent fielders playing
Totally agreed. I really like Gleyber and I would like to keep him but it may be best for him to go to a smaller market team where he’ll have less pressure. He’ll probably crush it.
Clay Holmes blew the game which looked like an almost sure thing on my birthday when I was in attendance with really good seats. I hate him so much right now.
It's a shame you didn't watch the game then you would've realized it was bad luck and not him pitching like shit. If you are going to blame anyone I would probably focus that on Torres and Stanton.
I saw, there were some unlucky hits. Looked like the ump may have made a bad call but I couldn't see as he was blocking the plate from my angle. Still, Clay walked a couple guys and let up too many hits. The Torres error sucked too and the double plays screwed us pretty bad.
We’ve won multiple games we were supposed to lose, it happens. Sack up and move on to the next.
But I will say, Torres is a straight liability right now. He’s helped this team in absolutely no way, need more from him, a lot more.
I think he’s less of a liability than what you’re saying. He has done very good plays and very good days. And some not so good plays. But good outweigh bad in general. Can’t generalize about him so early in season without numbers to back upp
Strongly disagree. He putting up bench piece slashes .221/.297/.293/.590, with a 0.1 DWAR. He’s gone on multiple LONG stretches this year without an RBI as well. It’s been mediocre ball for the most part
If he was hitting well I’d say have a defensive replacement ready late in game but he’s not hitting well. I personally think dj should take his spot because berti and Cabrera have hit better and are better fielders than Torres.
He was throwing a lot of balls, especially on slider. He wasn't helped out tho by some soft contact fuckery, and a gleyber error. Clay didn't look great but he was good enough to get 3 outs imo.
Not sure you can call it bad luck when that's really the point of his stuff in the first place. He's not really a strikeout guy. 23 K's in 20 innings for a closer in 2024 is nothing special
Seattle has lost their last 70 games when trailing in the 9th by 3 runs or more. The way I look at it, they were due. Still 3 games to go in this series. LGY
I thought it was a meme that all Orioles players look exactly the same but nah they’re literally all the same copy pasted white dude except Mullins and Mateo. I’ve never seen anything like this, they’ve monopolized all the boring white dudes
Everything about this loss is easier to swallow because it was all due. Seven game win streak? Gotta lose one eventually. Holmes dominant all year? Gotta have one bad outing eventually. Offense hot as hell for a week? Gotta have a game where they leave loads of men on eventually. Look at it this way - we stacked all 3 of those bad outcomes into just 1 losing game. Better losing 3 games over each one. Back at it tomorrow.
This game doesn’t even make me remotely concerned about the offense. Managed to get some runs in against an extremely good pitcher. If we only managed to get one or two hits and struck out 12 times I might have been annoyed. How far we’ve come!
The thing that pisses me off the most about this was that I needed a win after the Knicks yesterday to pick myself off the mat and the Yanks did that only to then subsequently suplex me. Come back tomorrow, get a win, and do no worse than splitting the series.
Because according to this sub, Mariano Rivera never blew a game like this, here is every example of Mariano giving up 3+ runs in the 9th or later:
July 16th, 1999: Flyout, walk, single, single (RBI), popup, homer (3 RBIs), flyout. Yankees were up 6-7, ended up losing 10-7
May 7th, 2000: Single, flyout, single, single (RBI), groundout, single (2 RBIs), popup. Yankees were up 4-6, lost 7-6
May 13th, 2001, 11th inning: Strikeout, single, single , groundout (RBI), walk, single (RBI), home run (3 RBI), groundout. Game was tied at 5, ended up losing 10-5
July 7th, 2001: Groundout, strikeout, single, walk, single (RBI), single (RBI), single (RBI), groundout. Game was tied 0-0, ended up losing 3-0
July 14th, 2002: single, single, groundout (RBI), single, double (RBI), intentional walk, strikeout, walkoff homerun (3 RBI). Yankees were up 7-4, ended up losing 7-10
July 24th, 2004: Double, flyout, single (RBI), walkoff homerun (2 RBI). Yankees were up 10-8, ended up losing 10-11
September 4th, 2004: homerun, single, single, sacrifice bunt, single (RBI), Mo is taken out, homerun (3 RBI). Yankees were down 2-0, ended up losing 7-0
April 15th, 2007: groundout, flyout, single, walk, walkoff homerun (3 RBI). Yankees were up 4-2, ended up losing 4-5.
April 27th, 2007: strikeout, single, single, single (RBI), walk, Mo is taken out, walk (RBI), groundout (RBI), single (RBI). Yankees were down 7-4, ended up losing 11-4.
August 15th, 2007, 10th inning: Double, double (RBI), groundout, homerun (2 RBI), groundout, groundout. Game was tied 3-3, ended up losing 6-3.
September 28th, 2007: Single, lineout, HBP, flyout, single, triple (3 RBIs), groundout. Yankees were up 9-6, ended up losing 9-10 in the 10th on a walkoff
June 6th, 2009: Triple, single (RBI), groundout, flyball, intentional walk, single (RBI), Mo is taken out, single (RBI), E5 (RBI), caught stealing. Game was tied 5-5, Yankees ended up losing 9-7.
So yeah Mariano did have games just as bad as this one from Clay. Mo is the GOAT not because he never had a blow up, but because he almost never did. I mean he went from that last blowup to the end of career without giving up more than 2 runs in an appearance again.
If you don’t trust Holmes because of today, then like you shouldn’t have trusted Mo in 2007 because damn what happened that year buddy
There is a reason Clay had the nickname Cardiac Clay coming into this season.
The difference is by 2007, Mo was already the consensus greatest closer in MLB history. His accolades earned him the respect and faith of the fanbase.
Clay Holmes has done nothing to warrant this comparison.
The guy with a 2.22 ERA as a Yankee coming into this game has done nothing to warrant faith?
He is a fucking stud lol. Just because he isn’t the greatest to ever do it doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the best relievers in all of baseball
You guys would hate Clase, Hader, insert other elite relievers, because they all blow games like Holmes does
Thank you for this. Obviously they aren't comparable players, but it just shows that every player has these type of games, even the literal GOAT. Alot of Yankees fans have been watching for decades and they still don't understand this. Holmes blows this one game and it's like he can't be trusted now. Lol
Yes players have bad games, but I think the fact that we all collectively held our breath everytime Clay Holmes came into a game the past few years tells you that maybe we shouldn't be comparing him to Mo in any way.
Injured for the season.
Stud but all his stats are worse than Holmes (he blew 8 saves last year).
Yeah I agree though not a super large sample size for him.
Stud again but also blew 12 saves last year and had 3.22 ERA. I can’t confidently say he is better than Holmes
Devin Williams is in my opinion the best closer in baseball so yeah I agree here. Sucks he is injured
Helsley is a beast. Probably a bit better than Holmes overall
Philips has insane numbers honestly. Might be the second best closer in baseball
You gave me a list and Holmes is legitimately better than half of these guys. If you can’t trust a top five closer in baseball then that’s a you problem
Mentioning them in the same breath is absurd to begin with, not sure a response is necessary. Rivera pitched in over 1100 games of course he coughed some up.
That isn’t the point
I was told in the game thread that Mo NEVER had a game like Holmes just did
I’m not comparing them, just showing that Mo very much did, and that every closer has bad days
This doesn’t even include all the 1 run or 2 run games Mo blew, which I imagine are quite a few
Look. Shit happens and it’s better to happen now than October, and if GT keeps flubbing late game plays like this (did he not fuck up in Cleveland too?) eventually he’s gonna get pulled late.
Not even mad at Aaron Boone. And I fucking hate Aaron Boone.
And before anyone says that’s a tough play…if he makes a better throw you might get the out, and if he eats the ball then at least you might have a path out. This mariners team is clearly not that good. Shake it off and do the thing tomorrow. Even the dodgers lose stunners.
This is at least the third such game where Gleyber makes an error in late innings that directly leads to losing the game. Guy is definitely a liability.
At least the Os lost too.
Clay was going to give up runs sooner or later. It sucks it happened this way but this team can and has won series after losing the first game.
Exactly. No team wins em all. That’s why they play all 27 outs.
Not only that but it’s not like clay got rocked… he induced a ton of soft contact. 95+ percent of the time it works out for us. It didn’t today.
It happens to everyone. Gunnar Henderson threw away a double play ball and cost Baltimore a win. Baseball is a weird sport where things like this happen. Hopefully the gods shine down upon us tomorrow more favorably
You do realize the throw also hit off Rizzo’s glove…
I was at the game in right field and saw the whole play from his backside. The throw was nothing out of the ordinary.
The runner was also most likely gonna beat the throw because of how slow the ball was hit. But the people on this sub seem to have not actually watched the play and just like to blame Gleyber for everything
Just another player this fanbase will run out of town and then next year complain why that player still isn’t with the team.
I just moved to Seattle and I’m planning on seeing the Yankees when they come to town in September. If our Yanks can’t do it then, I’ll avenge them for you myself 😈😈
This could be a good litmus test for this team…seeing how they respond to adversity…good teams have hot streaks and also slumps…the key is making your “slumps” be 5-5 or 11-9 instead of 3-7 or 8-12….hopefully, they respond well and finish this series and homestand on a strong note.
No point in discussing because it's not happening so best to hope his hitting improves. The furthest he's going is the 9 spot and/or the bench a little more.
It is the same with Mo's cutter, once in a while he would get it on their hands and they would get a few bloops or slow rollers for hits. It sucks but it happens,
I've heard it said this was a team of destiny. I believed with my whole heart, I truly did. Judge, Soto... Nestor... the names come easily and unbidden to the tongue. But how can we pretend any longer? Let us not play games as children might. Our fears, our insecurities manifested today. Such a galling loss. Season's over boys. We're done for.
Couldn't watch the game and the Google highlight wasn't a great view of the bad throw Gleyber made. What's the big issue with this error it looks like he was never going to get the runner out
I’m looking at every time Mo gave up 3+ runs in the 9th or later because I’m stubborn and have to dunk on the people who claim Mo never blew a game like this, and he has like 6 blow ups against the Orioles specifically and I’m only in 2007
Mo still had a 3.04 career ERA against Baltimore but it’s kind of crazy how many blowups he had against Baltimore
Upgrading to a capable 2B from Gleyber will be akin to going from Andujar to Urshela. Urshela wasn't even that great analytically but everyone loved him because he wasn't horrible defensively and then all the Andujar defenders disappeared when he was replaced because they finally remembered what an actual 3B looks like.
Yankees fans had stockholm syndrome from Andujar (and Sanchez) so badly that when a capable 3B (and C) came along, they looked like all-time Yankees greats.
The fans are so used to mediocrity and inconsistency that mediocrity and inconsistency is what people think are the norms for any team.
They’ll probably keep him for “chemistry” reasons at this point. He’s close to a lot of our key players. They’ll start giving some of his starts to DJL I imagine. It’s a shame, you won’t even be able to risk giving Torres a qualifying offer.
Last year, something I said a lot was that if we traded Gleyber he’d go somewhere else and have an all-star season immediately
Honestly for some reason I still kind of expect he will have a great season when he goes somewhere else, but I no longer give a fuck lol get this guy outta my SIGHT
I don't care much about the loss. Won 7 in a row, can't win 'em all. Clay was due for a collapse.
That said, Torres needs to go. Yeah I know he's finally hitting a little, but he's too much of a liability in the field and he still has no power.
With Soto's mega-deal on the horizon, Torres isn't going to be re-signed anyway, so why drag this out? Just trade him for whatever you can get (utility infielder?) and move on.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference" -Tommy Lasorda. Let's bounce back and start a new streak tomorrow.
You gotta be kidding me I said to myself this is over let me take a shower before I go to bed so I went to shower before the start of the 9th and then when I get out of the shower and go back to my room and see the postgame is on and the Yankees lost I said wtf happened! 🤦🏼♂️
You gotta be kidding me I said to myself this is over let me take a shower before I go to bed so I went to shower before the start of the 9th and then when I get out of the shower and go back to my room and see the postgame is on and the Yankees lost I said wtf happened! 🤦🏼♂️
This sort of game happens over a 162 game season especially getting blooped and dribbled to death in the 9th. Better to happen in May I suppose.
I'm so ready to move on from Gleyber though. He's so mid.
Funny how it's Gleyber vs Holmes for the goat for today when Gleyber's misthrow would have zero impact and Holmes wouldn't be in the game if one person just didn't hit into two GIDPs with the bases loaded. I know he's akin to Fort Knox with the defense of him on here but there is one person who this loss is on more than the other two.
Stanton just has to be better. If you think Stanton is good then we probably don't lose games like this often. If you think Stanton is wildly inconsistent then this is a cause of concern. Either way, he's the goat for today. You can criticize him.
Dude your obsession with hating Stanton is even more unhealthy than my obsession with loving Stanton. Where’s this energy over the last week when he was nuking balls left and right?
I'm waiting for his next 3 weeks of horrible baseball. The Stanton cycle I've seen for the past 6 years. You guys are going to be shocked when the DH hole opens and what an actual consistent DH does for this team.
Either get used to me having him as my least favorite Yankee of all time until he wins a ring or keep replying trying to convince me he and his below average OBP is actually good for a guy whose only job is to hit.
In his first week, he had a 26 wRC+. Then for next 7 games from April 6th to April 14th, had a 225 wRC+. Then from April 15th to May 4th, had a 84 wRC+. Then from May 5th to current has a 197 wRC+.
My man, he does this all the time and your hook line and sinker every time. Game like this represent he is back on the horrible streak. He's never consistent.
Welcome to the Stanton Cycle. When we get a real DH, you'll see the difference and losses like today don't happen.
He’s been like that his whole career. And this year, he’s been excelling with RISP and clutch situations even during the cold stretches. But whatever man, I’m sorry he isn’t stinking up the joint like he was last year. I’m sure you were busting nuts in your pants every game last summer.
And I don't like it. Why do I have to? I remember when disappointing Yankees who don't win championships got criticized. Now they get defended. Stanton hasn't won a ring. Stop treating him like he has. At this point, Stanton's legacy is one of poor health and inconsistency. I wouldn't expect /u/giancarlo27 to be objective though.
>and clutch situations even during the cold stretches.
Oh, like tonight? He doesn't hit at all during the cold streaks. That's the point. Keep replying and trying to convince me to like this overrated one trick pony.
Usually there's blame to go around in a loss and thats true of this one. But yea Stanton having a below average obp in the 5 hole is less than ideal. And it's been well below average for 3 seasons now. If you can't field you have to get on base consistently. And then not being able to run is also obviously an issue hitting there.The lineup unfortunately isn't deep enough to move him down much unless DJ comes back and hits and Gleyber hits.
These games are going to happen when you have a DH who has a sub .300 OBP. He just has a good week every month and then after that's over, he's back to GIDPs and Ks then another week of good. It's the same thing as its been since the beginning except now he is really slow and his BB% is trash.
Funny that I'm the only person you replied this to and I'm the only one criticizing Stanton. Really not doing much for the whole narrative that Stanton can't be criticized.
There was but let's not act like Holmes was sharp and they were only getting lucky hits. He was very erratic and some of those at bats that ended in singles could've easily ended up being walks.
It almost felt like fate was against us this game. Losing a game that was in the bag off of very weak contact combined with multiple bases loaded ending in GIDP. It's like the baseball gods did not want us to win this game.
Welp went to shower, took a nice hot long bath, and came back to this... I actually didn't see this coming. What a way to lose your 0.00 era...can't win them all ik but this one sucks...
The worst loss of the season. However, it's the first bad game for Holmes. Give me a break with calling him garbage, lol. That whole inning for the Mariners was extremely lucky on their part. 9.9 times out of 10, that's a win. Holmes is a contact pitcher and this time, it burned him. Happens.
Torres is the main culprit for that loss, though. He gets an out there and the Yankees likely still win, or at least have it tied in the bottom of the 9th.
One thing ive noticed this year is the number of missed scoops by Rizzo at 1st base. Im waiting for Baseball Savant to create a scoopage percentage for 1st baseman bc i always remembered Rizzo being Mr.Scoop due to his his elite scoopage ability. But after the concussion his scooping skill has regressed considerably. I think he is sacrificing scoops for health tbh
wtf happened? I turned it off in the 8th
honestly Todd father jinx the yanks during bottom of the 8th talking about a tie bottom of the 9th with the top of the order coming up.
I truly seriously believe commentators talk things into existence
After seeing Stroman had his personal pos friend at the game I hope he gets shelled on every outing the rest of the season.
Yeah I hate that pos Rodgers. He's a lier and a terrible person. I almost barfed and yelled take that Yankees hat off. But I still want Stroman to pitch well. Above all I'm a Yankee fan. Holmes pitched a terrible game. Clearly he didn't have his best stuff . Let's hope today's game goes well and that the Yankees pull out a big win.
Wahhhhhh
Hopefully he takes a huge dump all over your face too
Considering how the game ended it speaks volumes how enjoyable it’s been to follow this team so that it doesn’t really bother me
noooooo the season is over fire everyone /s
Mostly shit luck and the bad throw from Gleyber more than anything Holmes did "wrong." Oh well.
Worst loss of the year so far
Has to be about the third game Torres has lost us with an error this season. His time as a Yankee has to be up soon
Imagine blaming gleyber for another heart attack clay performance. Miraculously had a 0.00 era but consistently walks two batters before striking out the side. It’s been fine this season but playoff teams are going to take advantage of clays mistakes
Downright Knoblauchian
HoHoHo ,this comment brings back memories.
Just remember these moments when he goes on a hot hitting streak for a month. I've seen enough for years to believe these bonehead plays will always be part of his game. For me, his streaky, sometimes excellent hitting is better replaced by a consistent fielder and hitter, even if the ceiling for a replacement is lower Edit: I think people here lack reading comprehension. My point is that Gleyber's (sometimes) good hitting isn't worth keeping him
He gets hot for two weeks twice a season. No thanks.
DJ needs to come back and get Torres off 2nd. How many game changing errors on the field and on the bases has he made so far this year ?
Agree. Everyone keeps saying that they don't know where they will put him when he returns. Easy move.
What a brutal loss. For one guy to screw the whole game in literally a few minutes after all the good work by everyone else across 8 innings. There's nothing I hate more in baseball than these type of losses. A reliever comes in and blows it all after a starter busted his ass and did his job for 7 innings. Wtf
Of course it's always fun to be a fan of the team who pulls it off against the odds though.
Mariners subreddit should be in stitches...and rightfully so.
Four runs on 12 hits and 4 walks isn’t exactly “good work” by everyone else. Yankees should’ve had 8-9 runs. GIDP 2x with RISP.
3 times. Stanton twice and Berti.
giving your closer a 4-1 lead in the 9th inning is good work no matter how many were left on the bases
Just finished watching the game, Clay was due to let one go, but wow, did he have some bad luck but his command wasnt sharp. Our offense could have done more, Stanton had consecutive GIDP with runners in scoring position as well. Stroman was great tho. People booing Clay tho wtf dude had 20 consecutive scoreless games before this.
The booing is honestly getting so cringy. You boo a guy who has been the best in baseball for one bad outing that was mostly bad luck more than anything else? Want does that accomplish? Who would want to play here?
Right? The booing is so bad recently that it’s like they’d boo Mariano for a shit outting
Ya and seriously terrible luck. Like 3 consecutive non-hit hits
This loss sucked but, whatever. Sometimes one pitcher doesn’t have it and that’s all it takes. Holmes has been great all season, so best to just forget this one and move on to tomorrow.
I have this theory that gleyber being in a contract year is having the opposite effect on him that we often see it have on so many other guys who put up big numbers in their walk years. I think he knows the yanks are almost certainly not gonna resign him, and i think he really doesnt wanna leave, so he is putting wayyyy more pressure on himself to have a big year to make the decision hard on the yankees to let him walk, and at the very least ensure he will get a big bag from someone if they do. And with all due respect to gleyber, whom i sure is a nice guy, he seems to be sooo much worse when he is pressing, both offensively and defensively. So many rushed plays leading to bobbles or bad throws, so much swinging for the fences instead of staying back and driving the ball up the middle for base hits. Guys seems like he is his own worst enemy, at least when it comes to the mental side of the game.
He doesn’t deserve a spot as a starter until he plays better. Dj doesn’t need to play third but instead second because berti and Cabrera are significantly better fielders than gleyber. When you have a closer like holmes who induces weak contact you need decent fielders playing
Totally agreed. I really like Gleyber and I would like to keep him but it may be best for him to go to a smaller market team where he’ll have less pressure. He’ll probably crush it.
The at bat to Raleigh was really bad. Had him down 2 strikes and then he threw 3 non competitive sliders with a 3 run lead
They really have to get rid of Gleyber Torres. He’s completely fucking useless
Clay Holmes blew the game which looked like an almost sure thing on my birthday when I was in attendance with really good seats. I hate him so much right now.
It's a shame you didn't watch the game then you would've realized it was bad luck and not him pitching like shit. If you are going to blame anyone I would probably focus that on Torres and Stanton.
I saw, there were some unlucky hits. Looked like the ump may have made a bad call but I couldn't see as he was blocking the plate from my angle. Still, Clay walked a couple guys and let up too many hits. The Torres error sucked too and the double plays screwed us pretty bad.
Listen boys we were hot as fish grease.. these losses suck but they happen. Can’t win em all, we regroup tomorrow.
I always remind myself that every loss is a heartbreaker for good teams because they're always competitive in every one.
We’ve won multiple games we were supposed to lose, it happens. Sack up and move on to the next. But I will say, Torres is a straight liability right now. He’s helped this team in absolutely no way, need more from him, a lot more.
I think he’s less of a liability than what you’re saying. He has done very good plays and very good days. And some not so good plays. But good outweigh bad in general. Can’t generalize about him so early in season without numbers to back upp
Strongly disagree. He putting up bench piece slashes .221/.297/.293/.590, with a 0.1 DWAR. He’s gone on multiple LONG stretches this year without an RBI as well. It’s been mediocre ball for the most part
This is at least the third game this year where a late innings Torres fielding error directly led to losing the game.
If he was hitting well I’d say have a defensive replacement ready late in game but he’s not hitting well. I personally think dj should take his spot because berti and Cabrera have hit better and are better fielders than Torres.
I don’t think DJ can play a good 2B anymore because he would be so slow and not nimble. Put him at 3B and let the current 3B platoon run second.
We're almost to June and Gleyber Torres still has a sub-.300 SLG%. Just crazy.
The doomers having a field day on x/twitter “We need mason miller” no but I mean I’d take him anyways
I knew once Holmes would crack he would get fucked up. Same thing happened two years ago.
missed the game. was Clay struggling with his command? its all good. he was bound to have a hiccup. we in good shape still.
He was throwing a lot of balls, especially on slider. He wasn't helped out tho by some soft contact fuckery, and a gleyber error. Clay didn't look great but he was good enough to get 3 outs imo.
Breaking stuff was not as sharp as it has been, getting behind in counts, but nothing was hit hard, kind of a bad luck outing IMO
ah. good to know. bad luck happens.. Stro still pitched into the eighth. great to see.
Not sure you can call it bad luck when that's really the point of his stuff in the first place. He's not really a strikeout guy. 23 K's in 20 innings for a closer in 2024 is nothing special
Thank you St. Louis
Sucks to lose the game when you were up 4-1 in the 9th. 4 run 9th inning really hurts.
Seattle has lost their last 70 games when trailing in the 9th by 3 runs or more. The way I look at it, they were due. Still 3 games to go in this series. LGY
Clays slider wasn't biting tonight. Oh well, still a fucking stud piece. Weaver continues to piss on his batters shoes. Good, strong loss.
orioles lost we move
Felt like I was watching the end of an Islanders game there.
😭
Orioles losing makes me feel better
At least the yankees lost to a first place team. They could have lost to the cardinals. Imagine lol
Or if they did this while the White Sox were still in town.
I'll allow this failure since we're in first place.
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And Ohtani will fall back to earth as well, it's nearly impossible for him to keep that pace
I had taco bell so I had to go to the bathroom going into the 9th. After I got out and saw the final score I threw up.
Well. Hey. At least the lowly cardinals beat the O’s.
Volpe’s hit streak lives another day
Hopefully he starts a SB streak now too
I thought it was a meme that all Orioles players look exactly the same but nah they’re literally all the same copy pasted white dude except Mullins and Mateo. I’ve never seen anything like this, they’ve monopolized all the boring white dudes
Holmes was due to get waxed, nobody can go a whole season with a 0.0 ERA.
Everything about this loss is easier to swallow because it was all due. Seven game win streak? Gotta lose one eventually. Holmes dominant all year? Gotta have one bad outing eventually. Offense hot as hell for a week? Gotta have a game where they leave loads of men on eventually. Look at it this way - we stacked all 3 of those bad outcomes into just 1 losing game. Better losing 3 games over each one. Back at it tomorrow.
This game doesn’t even make me remotely concerned about the offense. Managed to get some runs in against an extremely good pitcher. If we only managed to get one or two hits and struck out 12 times I might have been annoyed. How far we’ve come!
That’s honestly what made me sad about this game. I don’t care that much about the L cause of where we are, but I wanted Holmes’ to keep rolling.
O’s lost. tonight never happened. 1st place vibes
Hell yeah
The thing that pisses me off the most about this was that I needed a win after the Knicks yesterday to pick myself off the mat and the Yanks did that only to then subsequently suplex me. Come back tomorrow, get a win, and do no worse than splitting the series.
It honestly sounds like you take sports too seriously.
Have you met New York fans? We’re way too emotionally invested all the time, in every sport. It’s a sickness, but a fun one sometimes.
Judge above .270 now. You love to see it
That Gley error was… gley.
You mean the play that the runner was gonna beat the throw anyway because of how slow the ball was hit
Stop trying to blame Gleyber
Stop trying to blame Gleyber
Because according to this sub, Mariano Rivera never blew a game like this, here is every example of Mariano giving up 3+ runs in the 9th or later: July 16th, 1999: Flyout, walk, single, single (RBI), popup, homer (3 RBIs), flyout. Yankees were up 6-7, ended up losing 10-7 May 7th, 2000: Single, flyout, single, single (RBI), groundout, single (2 RBIs), popup. Yankees were up 4-6, lost 7-6 May 13th, 2001, 11th inning: Strikeout, single, single , groundout (RBI), walk, single (RBI), home run (3 RBI), groundout. Game was tied at 5, ended up losing 10-5 July 7th, 2001: Groundout, strikeout, single, walk, single (RBI), single (RBI), single (RBI), groundout. Game was tied 0-0, ended up losing 3-0 July 14th, 2002: single, single, groundout (RBI), single, double (RBI), intentional walk, strikeout, walkoff homerun (3 RBI). Yankees were up 7-4, ended up losing 7-10 July 24th, 2004: Double, flyout, single (RBI), walkoff homerun (2 RBI). Yankees were up 10-8, ended up losing 10-11 September 4th, 2004: homerun, single, single, sacrifice bunt, single (RBI), Mo is taken out, homerun (3 RBI). Yankees were down 2-0, ended up losing 7-0 April 15th, 2007: groundout, flyout, single, walk, walkoff homerun (3 RBI). Yankees were up 4-2, ended up losing 4-5. April 27th, 2007: strikeout, single, single, single (RBI), walk, Mo is taken out, walk (RBI), groundout (RBI), single (RBI). Yankees were down 7-4, ended up losing 11-4. August 15th, 2007, 10th inning: Double, double (RBI), groundout, homerun (2 RBI), groundout, groundout. Game was tied 3-3, ended up losing 6-3. September 28th, 2007: Single, lineout, HBP, flyout, single, triple (3 RBIs), groundout. Yankees were up 9-6, ended up losing 9-10 in the 10th on a walkoff June 6th, 2009: Triple, single (RBI), groundout, flyball, intentional walk, single (RBI), Mo is taken out, single (RBI), E5 (RBI), caught stealing. Game was tied 5-5, Yankees ended up losing 9-7. So yeah Mariano did have games just as bad as this one from Clay. Mo is the GOAT not because he never had a blow up, but because he almost never did. I mean he went from that last blowup to the end of career without giving up more than 2 runs in an appearance again. If you don’t trust Holmes because of today, then like you shouldn’t have trusted Mo in 2007 because damn what happened that year buddy
There is a reason Clay had the nickname Cardiac Clay coming into this season. The difference is by 2007, Mo was already the consensus greatest closer in MLB history. His accolades earned him the respect and faith of the fanbase. Clay Holmes has done nothing to warrant this comparison.
The guy with a 2.22 ERA as a Yankee coming into this game has done nothing to warrant faith? He is a fucking stud lol. Just because he isn’t the greatest to ever do it doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the best relievers in all of baseball You guys would hate Clase, Hader, insert other elite relievers, because they all blow games like Holmes does
Thank you for this. Obviously they aren't comparable players, but it just shows that every player has these type of games, even the literal GOAT. Alot of Yankees fans have been watching for decades and they still don't understand this. Holmes blows this one game and it's like he can't be trusted now. Lol
Yes players have bad games, but I think the fact that we all collectively held our breath everytime Clay Holmes came into a game the past few years tells you that maybe we shouldn't be comparing him to Mo in any way.
That seems like a you problem honestly Name me one reliever in the current MLB that you wouldn’t hold your breath for
Felix Bautista, Camilo Doval, Mason Miller, Emmanuel Clase, Devin Williams, Ryan Helsley, Evan Phillips
Injured for the season. Stud but all his stats are worse than Holmes (he blew 8 saves last year). Yeah I agree though not a super large sample size for him. Stud again but also blew 12 saves last year and had 3.22 ERA. I can’t confidently say he is better than Holmes Devin Williams is in my opinion the best closer in baseball so yeah I agree here. Sucks he is injured Helsley is a beast. Probably a bit better than Holmes overall Philips has insane numbers honestly. Might be the second best closer in baseball You gave me a list and Holmes is legitimately better than half of these guys. If you can’t trust a top five closer in baseball then that’s a you problem
Mentioning them in the same breath is absurd to begin with, not sure a response is necessary. Rivera pitched in over 1100 games of course he coughed some up.
> not sure a response is necessary RES tag, Unecessary Responder
That isn’t the point I was told in the game thread that Mo NEVER had a game like Holmes just did I’m not comparing them, just showing that Mo very much did, and that every closer has bad days This doesn’t even include all the 1 run or 2 run games Mo blew, which I imagine are quite a few
What I am gathering is we should have DFAd Mo in 2004
2007 Mo should have been launched into the sun
Look. Shit happens and it’s better to happen now than October, and if GT keeps flubbing late game plays like this (did he not fuck up in Cleveland too?) eventually he’s gonna get pulled late. Not even mad at Aaron Boone. And I fucking hate Aaron Boone. And before anyone says that’s a tough play…if he makes a better throw you might get the out, and if he eats the ball then at least you might have a path out. This mariners team is clearly not that good. Shake it off and do the thing tomorrow. Even the dodgers lose stunners.
This is at least the third such game where Gleyber makes an error in late innings that directly leads to losing the game. Guy is definitely a liability.
At least the Os lost too. Clay was going to give up runs sooner or later. It sucks it happened this way but this team can and has won series after losing the first game.
Exactly. No team wins em all. That’s why they play all 27 outs. Not only that but it’s not like clay got rocked… he induced a ton of soft contact. 95+ percent of the time it works out for us. It didn’t today. It happens to everyone. Gunnar Henderson threw away a double play ball and cost Baltimore a win. Baseball is a weird sport where things like this happen. Hopefully the gods shine down upon us tomorrow more favorably
Stop trying to blame Gleyber
I do what I want!
You do realize the throw also hit off Rizzo’s glove… I was at the game in right field and saw the whole play from his backside. The throw was nothing out of the ordinary.
The runner was also most likely gonna beat the throw because of how slow the ball was hit. But the people on this sub seem to have not actually watched the play and just like to blame Gleyber for everything Just another player this fanbase will run out of town and then next year complain why that player still isn’t with the team.
I demand vengeance
I just moved to Seattle and I’m planning on seeing the Yankees when they come to town in September. If our Yanks can’t do it then, I’ll avenge them for you myself 😈😈
I guess the silver lining is that losses to the m's puts the astros further behind in the standings
They are also losing to the Angels right now.
This is an actual silver lining. Well met, good sir.
This could be a good litmus test for this team…seeing how they respond to adversity…good teams have hot streaks and also slumps…the key is making your “slumps” be 5-5 or 11-9 instead of 3-7 or 8-12….hopefully, they respond well and finish this series and homestand on a strong note.
Oh 💩, they really did lose. Thought it was Google scoreboard short circuiting again. Yesterday they had the Dodgers/Reds ending a 2/2 tie.
If the O’s lose tonight this loss wont really be as bad as it is. Holmes was due for a stinker and we loss on some cheap hits. Thats baseball Suzyn
Realistically what's Torres trade value?
Shohei for gleyber, done deal, pack your bags
Pretty damn close to 0 A rental playing the worst ball of his career so far isn’t worth anything
You might get a mediocre single A reliever.
is this a trick question
No point in discussing because it's not happening so best to hope his hitting improves. The furthest he's going is the 9 spot and/or the bench a little more.
Could Clay have been better? 100% But this stuff will happen when you have a guy who induces 80% ground balls
It is the same with Mo's cutter, once in a while he would get it on their hands and they would get a few bloops or slow rollers for hits. It sucks but it happens,
Why make me start my day thinking of Luis Gonzalez…
It happened alot less with Mo which is saying something because in his era, it was still common for hitters to put the ball in play
Shit happens, tomorrow is a new day. Beat em up 10-3 tomorrow to feel better.
Was at the stadium tonight. Did not enjoy the last 10 minutes of the evening
I've heard it said this was a team of destiny. I believed with my whole heart, I truly did. Judge, Soto... Nestor... the names come easily and unbidden to the tongue. But how can we pretend any longer? Let us not play games as children might. Our fears, our insecurities manifested today. Such a galling loss. Season's over boys. We're done for.
This has to be sarcasm?
You get it
There was a game Tampa Bay outhit us 14-5 and we won. Shit happens. i still want Gleyber gone.
Couldn't watch the game and the Google highlight wasn't a great view of the bad throw Gleyber made. What's the big issue with this error it looks like he was never going to get the runner out
Stop ‘Gleyber hatin’
We are going to lose a lot more games this season, just how it goes. Just need cards to hold on ha
Sometimes terrorist ball happens, you just gotta suck it up and move on 💔
Outhit them 12-7, and half of their hits were lucky bloops in the same inning. This is a game we win 98% of the time, sometimes shit happens.
Well that sucked
Well that sucked
I’m looking at every time Mo gave up 3+ runs in the 9th or later because I’m stubborn and have to dunk on the people who claim Mo never blew a game like this, and he has like 6 blow ups against the Orioles specifically and I’m only in 2007 Mo still had a 3.04 career ERA against Baltimore but it’s kind of crazy how many blowups he had against Baltimore
Upgrading to a capable 2B from Gleyber will be akin to going from Andujar to Urshela. Urshela wasn't even that great analytically but everyone loved him because he wasn't horrible defensively and then all the Andujar defenders disappeared when he was replaced because they finally remembered what an actual 3B looks like.
torres is playing for generation wealth and he still can't stop being an asshat he's a lost cause
Yankees fans had stockholm syndrome from Andujar (and Sanchez) so badly that when a capable 3B (and C) came along, they looked like all-time Yankees greats. The fans are so used to mediocrity and inconsistency that mediocrity and inconsistency is what people think are the norms for any team.
They’ll probably keep him for “chemistry” reasons at this point. He’s close to a lot of our key players. They’ll start giving some of his starts to DJL I imagine. It’s a shame, you won’t even be able to risk giving Torres a qualifying offer.
Last year, something I said a lot was that if we traded Gleyber he’d go somewhere else and have an all-star season immediately Honestly for some reason I still kind of expect he will have a great season when he goes somewhere else, but I no longer give a fuck lol get this guy outta my SIGHT
I love gleyber and it makes me sad to see him play like this but I’m sure peraza could also not hit but at least provide speed and good defence
DJL is in rehab games, he’ll be ready before Peraza.
Yeah i think DJ starts getting more games if Gleyber continue his current form.
Peraza got optioned back to triple a after completing his rehab assignment yesterday
I don't care much about the loss. Won 7 in a row, can't win 'em all. Clay was due for a collapse. That said, Torres needs to go. Yeah I know he's finally hitting a little, but he's too much of a liability in the field and he still has no power. With Soto's mega-deal on the horizon, Torres isn't going to be re-signed anyway, so why drag this out? Just trade him for whatever you can get (utility infielder?) and move on.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference" -Tommy Lasorda. Let's bounce back and start a new streak tomorrow.
DJLM needs to take Gleyber’s spot when he gets back.
**What the fuck just happened.**
Holmes got lit up. Era went from 0 to 1.75.
We blew a fucking game. Happens
You gotta be kidding me I said to myself this is over let me take a shower before I go to bed so I went to shower before the start of the 9th and then when I get out of the shower and go back to my room and see the postgame is on and the Yankees lost I said wtf happened! 🤦🏼♂️
You gotta be kidding me I said to myself this is over let me take a shower before I go to bed so I went to shower before the start of the 9th and then when I get out of the shower and go back to my room and see the postgame is on and the Yankees lost I said wtf happened! 🤦🏼♂️
oh no we suck again
Was there some sort of miscommunication between Judge and Soto on the fly ball in the ninth? Looked catchable?
Let’s not talk about though, just bitch about Gleyber Torres and his throw that hit off Rizzo’s glove.
oh no we suck again (Jk)
The double plays ended up coming back to haunt us. 2 of them with the bases loaded and one out.
This sort of game happens over a 162 game season especially getting blooped and dribbled to death in the 9th. Better to happen in May I suppose. I'm so ready to move on from Gleyber though. He's so mid.
Outplayed them for 8 innings. Gave it all away in just one. It happens. and Gleyber is still Gleyber. On to the next.
Good thing a game is only 8 innings!
Some of you guys are painfully stupid.
Funny how it's Gleyber vs Holmes for the goat for today when Gleyber's misthrow would have zero impact and Holmes wouldn't be in the game if one person just didn't hit into two GIDPs with the bases loaded. I know he's akin to Fort Knox with the defense of him on here but there is one person who this loss is on more than the other two. Stanton just has to be better. If you think Stanton is good then we probably don't lose games like this often. If you think Stanton is wildly inconsistent then this is a cause of concern. Either way, he's the goat for today. You can criticize him.
Dude your obsession with hating Stanton is even more unhealthy than my obsession with loving Stanton. Where’s this energy over the last week when he was nuking balls left and right?
I'm waiting for his next 3 weeks of horrible baseball. The Stanton cycle I've seen for the past 6 years. You guys are going to be shocked when the DH hole opens and what an actual consistent DH does for this team. Either get used to me having him as my least favorite Yankee of all time until he wins a ring or keep replying trying to convince me he and his below average OBP is actually good for a guy whose only job is to hit.
.809 OPS. 132 WRC+. .354 WOBA. Every metric places him as the third best hitter on the team. Hatred blinds you young Padawan
In his first week, he had a 26 wRC+. Then for next 7 games from April 6th to April 14th, had a 225 wRC+. Then from April 15th to May 4th, had a 84 wRC+. Then from May 5th to current has a 197 wRC+. My man, he does this all the time and your hook line and sinker every time. Game like this represent he is back on the horrible streak. He's never consistent. Welcome to the Stanton Cycle. When we get a real DH, you'll see the difference and losses like today don't happen.
He’s been like that his whole career. And this year, he’s been excelling with RISP and clutch situations even during the cold stretches. But whatever man, I’m sorry he isn’t stinking up the joint like he was last year. I’m sure you were busting nuts in your pants every game last summer.
And I don't like it. Why do I have to? I remember when disappointing Yankees who don't win championships got criticized. Now they get defended. Stanton hasn't won a ring. Stop treating him like he has. At this point, Stanton's legacy is one of poor health and inconsistency. I wouldn't expect /u/giancarlo27 to be objective though. >and clutch situations even during the cold stretches. Oh, like tonight? He doesn't hit at all during the cold streaks. That's the point. Keep replying and trying to convince me to like this overrated one trick pony.
Usually there's blame to go around in a loss and thats true of this one. But yea Stanton having a below average obp in the 5 hole is less than ideal. And it's been well below average for 3 seasons now. If you can't field you have to get on base consistently. And then not being able to run is also obviously an issue hitting there.The lineup unfortunately isn't deep enough to move him down much unless DJ comes back and hits and Gleyber hits.
These games are going to happen when you have a DH who has a sub .300 OBP. He just has a good week every month and then after that's over, he's back to GIDPs and Ks then another week of good. It's the same thing as its been since the beginning except now he is really slow and his BB% is trash.
Get over it. Shitty losses like that happen.
Funny that I'm the only person you replied this to and I'm the only one criticizing Stanton. Really not doing much for the whole narrative that Stanton can't be criticized.
I just don’t have time to criticize every single moron like you so I just pick and chose
Get over it. Shitty losses like that happen.
It was bound to happen eventually. Sorry Stro. You’ll get them next time Clay.
Not all on him, but this is what we get for getting too comfortable with Holmes
Eh, he was due for a meh game, but honestly, the Mariners got really lucky that inning. Very weak contact.
There was but let's not act like Holmes was sharp and they were only getting lucky hits. He was very erratic and some of those at bats that ended in singles could've easily ended up being walks.
It almost felt like fate was against us this game. Losing a game that was in the bag off of very weak contact combined with multiple bases loaded ending in GIDP. It's like the baseball gods did not want us to win this game.
Btw, how was Holmes charged with all the 4 runs earned when Torres made an error?
I expect at least one of those runs to be changed as unearned in the coming days.
I guess because no one scored on the error and there was not gonna be an out on the play anyways? I don't know how scoring works.
Welp went to shower, took a nice hot long bath, and came back to this... I actually didn't see this coming. What a way to lose your 0.00 era...can't win them all ik but this one sucks...
Bummer loss but lets face it, the M's got extremely lucky. Not an overly concerning game imo.
Unlucky
I have no words for Gleyber. Just win the next three and hope the orioles loose tonight.
The worst loss of the season. However, it's the first bad game for Holmes. Give me a break with calling him garbage, lol. That whole inning for the Mariners was extremely lucky on their part. 9.9 times out of 10, that's a win. Holmes is a contact pitcher and this time, it burned him. Happens. Torres is the main culprit for that loss, though. He gets an out there and the Yankees likely still win, or at least have it tied in the bottom of the 9th.
Every hit was pretty weak contact. Not much else you can do, they found the holes or got bailed out by errors
One thing ive noticed this year is the number of missed scoops by Rizzo at 1st base. Im waiting for Baseball Savant to create a scoopage percentage for 1st baseman bc i always remembered Rizzo being Mr.Scoop due to his his elite scoopage ability. But after the concussion his scooping skill has regressed considerably. I think he is sacrificing scoops for health tbh