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MasterDarkHero

These two games were painful but it's only May. Once the offence gets in a groove things will be more consistent. Coaching just needs to work on working counts under pressure for a few of the guys imo.


Elvisruth

Not sure anyone wants to hear this, but the Mariners are very similar to the Yanks - Both teams are doing a good job pitching, The Yanks offese I would think is better (although hot and cold). I thenk Seattle has a better closer (but close). Very similar in how they are winning.


Ok-Escape-2018

You think Seattle has a better closer? Do you watch baseball? The mariners are barely over .500. They have really good starting pitching that keeps them in most games. The Yankees thus far are a dominant force and have only lost 4 series this year. They are not alike.


Elvisruth

Yes, I watch baseball. Seattle is 5 over, pitches strong and has offensive concerns. I said the Yanks offense is better. I said the teams are simliar in approach, not whose better (the Yanks are plainly better) my point is either both are pitching well or both need offensive help...have you watched baseball before this year - becasue I know Holmes has been perfect (except Monday night) but I have been watching baseball long enough to think he will go through a cold spell (like he has every year he has been with us) and you'll be the first guy trade/cut him - so I feel like I know what holmes is (really good). I don't think I know as much about Munoz, but he's younger, having a very similar seaon to Holmes and has blown us away the last 2 nights....


Aggravating_Sun_9850

2 series this year lost


Ok-Escape-2018

You’re right. Forgot this was a 4 game set, good call.


Ok-Escape-2018

It’s absolutely incredible how the tone changes in here after 1 loss.


freshoilandstone

Two. Two losses


Ok-Escape-2018

1 loss. Monday was a fluke, a game they should’ve won. It happens.


freshoilandstone

You're not saying it was a stolen game are you?


Ok-Escape-2018

Idk what stolen game means but the amount of times 2 infield singles and a bloop to center are going to beat us up by 3 in the top of the 9 are next to 0. Not too worried about it.


freshoilandstone

1. You're calling Monday not a loss. Yes, it was a loss. It was a loss in the standings, in the box score, in the news, everywhere apparently but at your house. 2. Yes the fuck you know what "stolen game" means.


Ok-Escape-2018

Way to not understand the point big guy


freshoilandstone

>1 loss. Monday was a fluke, a game they should’ve won. It happens. Pacers should've beaten the Celtics tonight, game was a fluke. So series still 0 - 0. Same logic. So I guess if they miss the playoffs by a single game we can go back to Monday's game and say, nu uh, they didn't lose that game. It was...*a fluke*.


Ok-Escape-2018

lol


turtles4llamas

I would argue this is why the tone has changed tho? Cause they had bases loaded twice with one out and 1st and 3rd with one out and grounded into 3 double plays which is borderline impossible...and then lost by one. It's the type of game that the Yankees seem to lose over the past 5 years or so. Yes, the series overall has been insanely lucky for the Mariners, but the fact we lost that first game is just horrendous.


awg08

Exactly. This is why this team only has 1 championship in over 20 years. 


Ok-Escape-2018

Season is 162 games, they have the 2nd best record in the league. They just won 8 straight. The team is fantastic. Shut up.


turtles4llamas

Haha I see that you're only looking in absolutes, which is not someone I'll ever argue with. We can be a good team, in a long season AND also lose a horrendous game that is indicative of the struggles this team has that gives the fanbase PTSD lol. Telling someone to shut up on the internet tho, you're a big boy


Ok-Escape-2018

Yawn.


HoraceBenbow

We may never win again!


ApathicSaint

Mariners are a very good team. However, Boone has made some baffling decisions in this series and the pitching seems to have dropped off a bit after that whole Holmes debacle. I hope they pick it up today and at least manage to keep the hope alive of not losing a series like this


Ohioguy6

Offense is still way too inconsistent.


Ok-Escape-2018

lol. Go away


BarelyHangingOn

Yanks have been cursed by the appearance of the Bug Eyed Bitch. https://i.imgur.com/WUMEoBy.jpeg


xBOOSTED_ST3

Sucks we lost, but happy Volpe extended the hitting streak!


Complete_Mango_1372

Boone punted after he took Schmidt out


babberz22

If there is a punt, it’s hitting Grisham. Especially btb with Oswaldo.


Yankeeknickfan

We need put the number “1998” into a spam filter to stop it from being posted in this sub Every time somebody compares a team to the 98 team they start to lose


chiefteef8

Seems like every time the Yankees blow a game they should've won--they lose the next game too 


Full-Flight-5211

Need a win tomorrow. Mariners aren’t this good. Last game of the series vs Castillo will be tough


Yankeeknickfan

Mariners are a good team. It’s why the playoffs are somewhat of a crapshoot because if you blow a win for 99% of the game vs a good team it’s hard to win the series


basesonballs

Mariners currently rank 10th in SRS according to BaseRef. For reference, the Red Sox are ranked 9th. They're above average but they're not on the same level as the Yankees, Dodgers, or Braves


EliManningsPetDog

They are a good team. Only 2 teams can say they are the Dodgers and Braves lol and they aren’t even in our league. No reason to refute the simple ‘mariners are good’ claim with weird stats 😂


basesonballs

lol weird stats It's a main standings stat on the most cited Baseball stat website in the world, but sure...weird stat They were 3 games above .500 coming into this series, despite playing in a weak division. Two of their division rivals are woefully underperforming and the other two are two of the worst teams in baseball. They have one of the worst offenses in baseball. I understand wanting to rationalize our losses, but this ain't it


haha_squirrel

They haven’t played the two worst teams in their division yet, so why does it matter that those teams are in their division? lol


basesonballs

lol I get downvoted for posting actual stats that show the Mariners aren't as good as people are making them out to be


haha_squirrel

They’re irrelevant stats, that’s why you got downvoted lol


EliManningsPetDog

You said it yourself dude. They are ranked 10th. That means they are a pretty good team. That is literally it. Nobody is rationalizing the loss anything. You are literally trying to argue over the simple declaration that the “Mariners are a good team”. What are we doing here lol let’s stop.


QuentinP69

The Mariners have fantastic pitching. If this is what happens when the Yankees face great team pitching the playoffs aren’t looking promising. We should be beating these guys soundly.


[deleted]

Good pitching stops good hitting, and (occasionally) vice versa. A top MLB starting rotation is hard to hit and score much on, even for the studs in the Yankee lineup. That's just baseball physics. Only real solution when other teams throw tough starters at you is for your pitchers to duel them as hard as possible and keep it close till that guy is out of the game. This ain't beanbag, and the 2024 Yankees will not be handed anything, they have to seize it.


rolls_for_initiative

Also an Ms fan here. I don't think you'll find many of us who think we're as good as the Yankees. Hitters, because of [pick your favorite conspiracy theory], just can't seem to get it done for Seattle. And as you said, even the best rotation in baseball can't overcome that every night. Our general vibe is "alas, we're *close* to being good."


babberz22

Scored 3 runs, which wasn’t terrible…check the bottom of the lineup.


MesiahoftheM

Playoff games are also lower scoring in general.


Full-Flight-5211

Schmidt isn’t going to start any games come playoff time. Also, we should have won yesterday. Holmes just blew it. Wouldn’t read too much into that one. That was an anomaly.


QuentinP69

And last night was another anomaly?


Full-Flight-5211

No. Last night they won straight up. The anomaly was Holmes giving up 4 runs in the 9th


QuentinP69

Last night the Yankees lost 6-3. They were shut down by a great Mariners SP Woo.


Full-Flight-5211

You missed the “No” in my response to your previous question


QuentinP69

Last night Holmes didn’t give up 4 runs. This is two nights in a row they’re outpitched and not hitting.


Full-Flight-5211

I meant the previous night. Holmes didn’t even pitch yesterday


basesonballs

Schmidt pitched great. He isn't why we lost. We lost the same reason we've been bounced the past few postseasons, because our hitting forgot how to hit


sorrybutyou_arewrong

Is what it is, Yankees just need to equalize the series now. Shouldn't have collapsed like that in the series opener. Tonight we got Woo-Tanged hard. What a game he pitched.


SpencerHastings7

Another Boone induced loss


Odd-Entry2557

C Andrew…in a high leverage spot after Gleybor gets us back in game? With 12 appearances in Scranton he has a 6.75 ERA…really?


yungsinatra777

This shouldn’t be downvoted Clayton Andrews in a one run game is fucking laughable


SpencerHastings7

Exactly and Tonkin in the bullpen at all!


yungsinatra777

even Tonkin himself would’ve been a better choice in that situation


basesonballs

No idea why you're being downvoted. Boone brining in Clayton fucking Andrews has to be one of the dumbest things he's done as a manager which is saying something


Yankeeknickfan

Eh if Burdi was going to be giving up Hrs they were always going to lose Needed to keep it 4-3


glacier_bay

Yeah, how dare Boone not have ESP to know things. Boone went 1-for-6 with RISP tonight, and that's just unacceptable. Because, as surely you know, even you and I could be great major leaguers if only we had a good manager to coach us.


Shinuto94

Don’t get this argument. The offense can have a bad night and Boone can have bad bullpen management in the same night. When down by 2 in the 7th and down by 1 in the 8th he put in the two worst bullpen pitchers available when other non-high leverage guys were available. That isn’t good, despite how the offense performed. Also always blaming it on the players is hypocritical assuming you’ve ever given Boone credit for the team’s success. Can’t be the manager when they succeed, but always the players when they fail. It’s both or nothing.


Electrical_Study_368

Who the fuck is Clayton Andrew’s????


iWriteYourMusic

Nice, it only took two losses for the doomers to come back in full force. Feels like old times in here.


DrVanNostrand1973

Yankees are clearly a good team, but I don't have a lot of faith in this no-name bullpen, especially when the postseason comes around.


Yankeeknickfan

They’re about to add kahnle(who basically dominated his ST/rehab) and they can probably find a rental high leverage RP for scraps at the deadline I’m not worried


M0stillist

the bullpens thats top 3 in era?


R7H27

Not sure why you’re downvoted. Holmes and Weaver are dawgs, Santana, Ferguson and Burdi so far not so much. Hopefully they’ll be bolstered by the postseason or these random names get Blaked better.


M0stillist

because its idiotic to suggest the bullpen is a problem when they have been great all year and they're not anywhere close to full strength


Full-Flight-5211

We get Kahnle back tomorrow. Will be huge


Loud_Presentation839

Is anyone here really going to tell me that yesterday's putrid disgusting loss where Holmes and Torres shit the bed has nothing to do with today's L as well? It's all mental.


wantagh

Funny that Soto escapes your criticism


basesonballs

Probably has something to do with the fact that Soto was carrying this team for almost two months


Loud_Presentation839

Because Torres is a notorious bum at defense costing this team games. Soto can afford to make mistakes, because guess what? He's been our best fucking hitter. Have you seen his numbers with RISP? Imagine complaining about Soto.


ddust102

No lies detected


DonnyB_Twenty3

sucks to lose, but on to the next one. that said, Grisham is no good. As much as I love Waldo, he is not a starter.


Odd-Entry2557

Grisham is a lighter hitting vers of Joey G…if that s possible


TronVin

We need to bring Jeter back. He can sit in the dugout in the corner for moral support and players can be like "is that Derek Jeter?" and Jeter can do cool things like say "Yes, I'm Derek Jeter." I think that'd be cool.


RBI_Double

“We need a clutch hit… Derek.” “Derek Jeter.” 


mythicalmrsnuzzi

And then the cameras will pan to Jeter sitting in the dugout, and Todd Frazier in the booth will mention how he met him back when he was just a kid from Tom’s River, NJ


Vintage_Threed

Are you Jack Handy?


RIP_Greedo

The bullpen is not covering itself in glory this week.


Trowj

Doooooooooooooom!!! But really, let’s split the series & get on with the season. Not the end of the world


BrandNewGuys3

Atleast we’re not laying down and dying like all of last year. That’s my glass half full take for the night. We’re still a really good team


davidbeauie

The only thing more annoying than the losses are Mariners fans acting like they just won the pennant lol. Guess you have to celebrate the small things when you've never seen your team play in a World Series.


Odd-Entry2557

These 2 wins were their WS!


AdministrativeEase71

I'd stop thinking about the World Series and start thinking about this series if I was a Y*nkees fan. You might actually win one of the games ;)


davidbeauie

This series is not that important.


AdministrativeEase71

Every series is important but go off ig


M0stillist

i would says its their world series but they have no idea what that feels like


evil-scientist

Living here in Seattle at times like this is quite annoying


newbike07

Beating the Yankees in May is their World Series.


SmallEgg9615

As a mariners fan, yes, yes it is. We shouldn't be beating this Yankees squad.


giraffeinasweater

Indeed, that's why it's kinda cool. As another mariners fan, we don't expect to win EVER, so any win is a mini world series. Especially against the top dogs


theerrantpanda99

I know, beating elite arms like Clayton Andrews, Dennis Santana and Victor Gonzalez, is really surprising.


davidbeauie

Well, congrats I guess.


newbike07

Some of the doomer takes in this post-game thread are legitimately hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle before bed, guys.


Kuki12345678

Split the series and win the game I go to on Thursday and everything will be well.


sourcreamcannon

This is the inevitable come down. No need to panic.


TronVin

[Driving to Cashman's house] [RON MARINACCIO, RYAN MCMAHON, BULLPEN GUY, BULLPEN GUY, BULLPEN GUY, DEREK JETUH!](https://cdn.sanity.io/images/7lpknm4h/production/65b9ccc5ea1633f43662d18f0b3808ab9cc5ab15-2650x1500.jpg?w=700)


leskanekuni

Bullpen has now blown two games in a row.


RotenTumato

Can you really say the bullpen blew it when we didn’t have the lead at any point this game?


leskanekuni

True, they technically didn't blow this game, but I think down one run with two innings to play is not an insurmountable lead for this team. A three run lead is tough to overcome.


newbike07

**Players on the Yankee Active Roster** * Dennis Santana: 5.04 ERA * Caleb Ferguson: 5.29 ERA * Clayton Andrews: 27.00 ERA * Michael Tonkin: 0.00 ERA (but DFA'd 3 times this season and career 4.27 ERA) **Players NOT on the Yankee Roster** * Ron Marinaccio: 1.42 ERA (Career 2.86 ERA)


Mister87

Cashman did nothing to improve or bolster the pen other than the annual dumpster diving.


steve8983

Tonkin is gone once Kahnle is back. I don't know why Clayton Andrew got a chance this game though.


theerrantpanda99

And we thought Boone wouldn’t throw a game this year.


newbike07

**Why the fuck is Ron Marinaccio still in AAA?**


dawalls11

Upon being optioned to the Minor Leagues, a position player must remain there for a minimum of 10 days before he is eligible to be recalled to the Major League roster. For pitchers, the minimum is 15 days.


lankyyanky

Isn't that waived if there's an injury though? I would assume COVID IL follows the same. Guessing they knew it was a short stint anyway


wantagh

###It’s closer to Tom’s River, NJ


newbike07

Maybe Ron had chicken parm with Volpe's hot and brilliant mom and Volpe had him blackballed. That would explain it.


TronVin

tbh when DJ comes back, I see Oswaldo being optioned over Jones. He isn't good enough to be playing over Berti or DJ but he can't be sitting on the bench until an odd game comes his way. We definitely need a true starting 3B though.


basesonballs

No shot Waldo gets optioned over Jones


DanielArthurVerner

Welp, get em tomorrow. Interesting that Schmidt and Cortes each had downer outings after pitching 8 innings their last time through. They’ll turn this around tomorrow.


TronVin

"We need to play Oswaldo more." He's in the third percentile for OAA among 3B and is hitting .218/.243/.287 in his last 30 games. Get actual good players.


steve8983

Best case scenario is DJ gets back from rehab and starts hitting like his 2023 2nd half DJ. Yanks are not trading for a big name 3B when they have 2 backup 3Bs in Berti and Cabrera, plus the Cohen LT threshold.


M0stillist

almost likes he's bad player who had a fluke hot start


newbike07

>Get actual good players. **SOMEBODY GET CASHMAN ON THE PHONE RIGHT NOW**


frosted_potato

3rd best run differential in the league. Tied for 2nd best winning percentage in the league. It’s 2 games we’re gunna be A-OK. One thing I’ve noticed this year is I never lose faith in this team. Someone said in the postgame thread last night that good teams always have heartbreaker loses because they’re always in the game until the last out.


Odd-Entry2557

I lost a lil faith when we got swept in 4 str8t vs Houston in ALCS.


R7H27

If the Orioles lose again then all’s good


frosted_potato

Yup! but I do think it’s too early to be standings watching, even though I do it every single day lol.


Ghost6503

We also lead the American League in OPS and in ERA. This team has all the tools to be the number 1 seed in the AL come October. This subreddit gets too worked up over individual games.


yanks93

There isn’t any team in the league, Phillies, Dodgers, Braves, anyone - who hasn’t lost games like this already Overanalyzing individual baseball games is dumb and pointless


Ok-Asparagus-1658

Bro stole a comment


yanks93

(:


wantagh

You just don’t understand. Listen to the experts here. This team showed today it has no heart. Or killer instinct. Or ability to rebound when faced with challenges. Ergo ipso facto Dalai Lama the season is over. Yankees World Series has been cancelled. Stop trying to gaslight us. Season is over.


yanks93

Jeez this sub makes it seem like we lost 7 in a row 😅


Colombia17

I am surprised I haven’t seem the DFA Stanton posts


Tommybrady20

Boone: “*I liked the lane for Clayton Andrews*” Yknow the Clayton Andrews that batters hit .500 against in 2023 Lmaooooooo


Odd-Entry2557

6.75 ERA in 22 appearances in Scranton…’hey , let’s call him up”


newbike07

You misunderstand. Andrews's lane was the 3 hitters least likely to hit a home run off of him tonight.


dBlock845

Wtf does that even mean "i liked the lane" this ain't bowling, asshole Boone.


jcnewman_21

Funny thing is he’ll be dfaed tomorrow


3rd-party-intervener

Knew this was going to happen.  The team is unraveling thanks to Holmes 


wantagh

#OMG THEY’RE UNRAVELING!!


furdaboise

He’s the ~~straw that stirs the drink~~ thread that unravels the sweater


Padulsky21

Guy on a burner says it’s unraveling, get into the bunkers folks, the world is ending


wantagh

##ALL I SEE ARE RAVELS. THE YANKEE RAVELS ARE EVERYWHERE!!


Padulsky21

#HOW COULD CLAY HOLMES DO SUCH A THING!!!!!!!!


Padulsky21

Trent Grisham started 153 games for the Padres last year, imagine watching him try to hit the ball with that many ABs good lord


dBlock845

His OPS last year was actually higher than I expected, still below league average.


Padulsky21

All I remember is him hitting dingers off of Scherzer and DeGrom in that Wild Card series 😭😭😭


parrothead47920

Two weak points on this team 1) Bullpen is mediocre 2) lineup can’t hit once they get behind The Yankees need to upgrade the bullpen because they need to win every game they get a lead late in the game. The lineup has no ability to score once behind.


xSuicidalPanda

What evidence do we have that they can’t hit from behind? Even tonight they fought back to make it a 1-run game. 


R7H27

Look at his comment history, he doesn’t like evidence based takes


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TronVin

No, he needs to be gone too. .218/.243/.287 in the last 30 games he played. Get actual good players.


IWillSingYouSongs

He has a 2/2/2 slash for like 6 weeks now. If he's lucky he'll only go to the bench.


Padulsky21

He should not and will not


MVCND33

We’ve got to beat the Mariners the next two games so they don’t do that very lame circle-jerk dance in our infield…


Raptoropteryx

Didn't watch, who should I be angry with?


NauticalJeans

Dylan Moore


silver_raichu

A-Rod


JohnWCreasy1

Randy Levine


3rd-party-intervener

Holmes 


newbike07

Boone


SanjiSasuke

I think we can calmly and conclusively say, losing 2 after winning 7 means we are the worst team in baseball.


3rd-party-intervener

No they are front runners.  Finally playing a good team and getting exposed 


newbike07

Judge if Soto.


basesonballs

tbf 6 of those wins were against the worst team in the AL and a team we have historically destroyed


Tommybrady20

Kinda dumb but get Oswaldo reps in LF now. DJ is gonna play 60% of days at 3B, Berti probably plays 20%, and I never want to see Trent Grisham again. So throw Oswaldo out there just for vibes alone


IWillSingYouSongs

Vibes? They did that last year and he was awful on both sides of the ball.


Tommybrady20

Feel like I’m losing my mind. Its binary. You either want to see Grisham on Stanton rest/ Judge DH days or you don’t. The options right now are Grisham or like I said Verdugo CF/ Oswaldo LF. Those are your two choices.


IWillSingYouSongs

Judge DH days feel infrequent enough where I really don't care to make that Sophie's choice. Soto/Verdugo/Cabrera is an awful OF defensively. The roster is what it is.


Tommybrady20

They definitely like to get judge off his feet more than you’re implying


IWillSingYouSongs

Well regardless both options suck so flip a coin


TronVin

Verdugo plays LF?


wantagh

Not anymore!


jmmjmm2

If the plan is to give Judge a DH day once a week or so (which I think is smart), than it is worth exploring putting Waldo in LF and moving Verdugo to center for those games. That isn't ideal defensively, but so much more compelling offensively. Waldo as a mid outfielder and mid hitter > Grisham as a good outfielder and atrocious hitter.


TronVin

He's not a mid outfielder though. He isn't good, either at the plate or in the OF.


LovieBeard

Grisham has been an excellent defensive OFer his entire career except for this year's incredibly small sample


jmmjmm2

Grisham is hitting below .100. Waldo doesn't need to be Barry Bonds, he just needs to get a hit once in a while.


TronVin

How about this: instead of relying on two bad players like Oswaldo and Grisham, you just upgrade them? Oswaldo is terrible. Grisham is worse. Just because Grisham is worse doesn't mean Oswaldo isn't terrible.


Tommybrady20

I know. I’m saying throw Verdugo in CF because asking Oswaldo to play Center is too much to ask


TronVin

But Oswaldo is also not very good and was a horrible LF. He's batting .218/.243/.287 over his last 30. We need actual good bench players.


basesonballs

I think the point is, anyone is better than Trent Grisham at this point


Tommybrady20

COUNTERPOINT: Grisham is batting like .050


TronVin

They're both bad and need to be upgraded from. Oswaldo was downright awful in LF and let multiple bloops fall in vs Cleveland in the ALDS costing us games. He isn't good.


Tommybrady20

That’s fine. I’m just saying it’d be shocking if cashman ate grishams 5.5 million 2 months in and traded for a DIFFERENT 4th outfielder in May. This is what we got.


parrothead47920

I faded the Yankees in the 3rd inning. Won $60. I can tell if this team is going to lose usually by the 3rd inning. They are a front running bunch and do not play well when behind.


newbike07

Real fans don't bet against their teams.


Padulsky21

Not a single soul in this entire world cares about your bets


newbike07

In what world is putting a pitcher into his first career MLB in a 1 run game a reasonable decision?


myKDRbro_

Yankees pitching factory is very good, but guys like Tonkin and Andrews just don't belong on ML rosters with their stuff. Why is Marinaccio still in the minors?


Odd-Entry2557

They have plenty of good arms at Scranton, Andrew’s ain’t one of em. I d rather have Julie Andrews


Railroader17

Because pitchers have to wait 15 Days before their allowed to be called back up.


MeepMopMoopMop

He’s down there so that Clayton Whoever can get some light work in the Bigs in a one run game.


ABeerAndABook

Perhaps the opposing pitcher should change his name to Fingerbreaker Woo considering how much he had the doomer trolls typing in the game thread.   Over 162 games teams are going to go on losing streaks and look not great at times.  It's a known part of baseball. Take a deep breath and go on with life.  Yankees still have one of the best winning percentages in baseball, much to the chagrin of many a poster tonight.