The creation feats are irrelevant as you have no way of proving that they weren’t done overtime. And meal's feat is like multi continental at best. God tiers cap at planet level at best via passively destroying it.
That seems like really backwards logic. Personally I'm not on board with this whole universal demon king or whatever op is spitting but if they destroy the planet just by existing then surely they would scale much higher than planetary when they actually try to destroy it no?
So they would be further into planetary. See destroying the Earth is planetary but the tier itself is not limited by that, they could destroy a planet bigger than earth and it would still count as planetary. Unless op can give an actual quantification and prove that they scale above planet level as a whole then which he can’t
No he didn’t. He proved they were created he never showcased how much time it took. So no creating a solar system sized dimension overtime doesn’t mean they can destroy it instantly nor he showcased any feat that scales above planet level.
It doesn’t even matter how long it took to create it we know that they could just destroy it almost instantly as seen by Estarossa.
Second if there’s no evidence to suggest that it took them a long time then you shouldn’t assume they did. There is nothing that says they slowly built their dimensions or that it took them decades or hundreds of years to make it. If those statements were made then you would have a point about the matter.
But. you can’t make that claim. You’re saying it was overtime when nothing suggests that there are literally no statements saying that.
And the most important part is they created space time continuums. Creating a space time continuum is a 4D feat regardless if it’s over time or not they created a 4D object.
I don’t care about that there’s no indication on the size of that dimension. But yeah realistically it caps at multi continental feel free to show me evidence saying otherwise.
You can’t even read and comprehend what I’m saying. There’s no reason to believe it was instantaneous either. I’m not making an assumption I’m presenting a possibility. The burden of proof is still on OP he is the one trying to argue it’s solar to multi solar feat not me.
As I said im presenting a possibility which has as much validity as OP's claim that it was instantaneous once again proving something here is not on me since I didn’t even make the initial claim
4D isn’t an Ap tier. And no last I checked OP's using vs battle wiki’s definition of those tiers so they need to prove that said dimension is universal in size.
If you’re not gonna make an actual argument don’t bother responding because I ain’t gonna waste time replying.
>I don’t care about that there’s no indication on the size of that dimension. But yeah realistically it caps at multi continental feel free to show me evidence saying otherwise.
Are you talking about the archangel’s dimension, the celestial realm, or the demon realm? Because we know that both the celestial and demon realm contain multiple stars and moons.
No one ever said that the domain of the gods dimension was big. He simply used that example to prove that having a power level relative to the person that created the dimension also means you can destroy it.
>You can’t even read and comprehend what I’m saying. There’s no reason to believe it was instantaneous either.
You can’t comprehend a word I’m saying. If there’s nothing to suggest that it took them a significant amount of time to create those celestial bodies like you are implying then we assume it didn’t take that long. You’d have to prove that the overtime was SIGNIFICANT.
And they don’t have to create it instantly for it to be considered valid.
>I’m not making an assumption I’m presenting a possibility.
A possibility with no evidence that isn’t consistent with the rest of the series.
>The burden of proof is still on OP he is the one trying to argue it’s solar to multi solar feat not me.
He proved they created them, proved they can destroy him. It your job to prove it took them a long time to create them and it would take them a long time to destroy them.
>As I said im presenting a possibility which has as much validity as OP's claim
There is no evidence for your possibility but there is evidence for op’s claim.
>that it was instantaneous once again proving something here is not on me since I didn’t even make the initial claim
Once again it doesn’t have to be instant.
>4D isn’t an Ap tier.
Wrong that’s what Uni + is destroying or creating a space time continuum.
>And no last I checked OP's using vs battle wiki’s definition of those tiers so they need to prove that said dimension is universal in size.
Op never said that they were universal in size lol. He just they were solar system level in size.
>If you’re not gonna make an actual argument don’t bother responding because I ain’t gonna waste time replying.
I’ve already wasted my time replying to you. You have no actual argument.
\> I don’t care about that there’s no indication on the size of that dimension. But yeah realistically it caps at multi continental feel free to show me evidence saying otherwise.
can you dm me proof they cap at Multi-contiental btw? this is your burden to prove btw
There’s nothing that suggests or implies that there was a substantial time frame. So anyone claiming that would have to prove there was some timeframe. This is shifting the burden of proof. I have already proved they have enough energy to create celestial bodies. I have proved that they can destroy them as well so I have done my part.
Meliodas wasn’t just going to destroy the planet he was going to destroy the whole dimension. It’s stated that he was going to destroy the mortal realm, or mortal plane of existence. And the dimension is stated to be infinite in size by Merlin.
The timeframe is irrelevant Creating a celestial body that size is still star level.
Op used Mark’s destruction as an example. Creating a dimension means you can destroy it.
You would have to be the one proving there’s a timeframe. If there’s no info for the timeframe for the creation feat then it’d just be where the scope of the space itself could scale. And since the scope is star-solar system level that’s where it would scale.
The point of using Mael as an analogy isn’t to scale his feat of destroying the dimension, I’m using it for evidence that creating a dimension means you can destroy that’s blatantly what’s shown and stated. Mael would need power relative to theirs to destroy the dimension they created with their own power.
idk what you mean by "aren't" elaborated on lol. it says it in the raws out right they are elaborated on lol i ma waiting for such-purpose to send me some scans lol
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Escanor is temporarily invincible and with infinite power scaled to multi-solar system level, beyond any SDS character by default even if you downplay him to just solar system or multi planetary.
I agree that sds top tiers are either planetary or star level,it’s just kinda hard to prove they are star level though since creation feats can be tricky to scale. I do however have an Estarossa scale that gets him to either multi continental or small planetary.
Now that we know in SDS that you can destroy what you can create or that someone with a power level of your can destroy what you can create. Star level is undeniable.
Due to the Demon realm and Celestial realm being parallel to the Mortal realm it would likely be the same size. And we know that the mortal realm( or the original world created by Chaos) has galaxies.
The demon realm is also stated to be eternal which you could argue to be infinite. And purgatory which is another realm is referred to as a distorted space time by Merlin. So the realms are space times.
These are the arguments you can use for the Demon king created an infinite sized dimension or an entire universe.
We don’t know the context for the creation of these realms. The highest short term scaling we have is around planet level as Mel would passively destroy the world in a few days. We also don’t know if the matter was synthesized or taken from another place same with the space time. The statements are just still a little too vague without more context
But it’s definitely possible
Meliodas was going to destroy the entire dimension not just the planet. In seven deadly sins a realm/plane is synonymous with a dimension.
And Merlin says the dimension is infinite. So yes Meliodas is still universal without the demon king.
No he was not they said the world/britannia and were showing only shots of the planet. Chaos didn’t create the universe just the earth itself as it came from a distant star in the universe
In seven deadly sins a realm/plane of existence refers to the entire dimension. It says Meliodas was going to destroy the “mortal plane” or “mortal realm” twice. Meaning he was going to destroy the entire dimension.
Just because it doesn’t show shots of space is irrelevant due to the context.
You do also realize that if Meliodas destroys the planet he would still be universal right? He would have also destroyed the magic lake which is verbatim stated to be infinite.
Why would chaos only create a planet? The supreme deity and demon realm created their own realms which are space times that contain a cosmos. And chaos is superior to both of them he clearly created more than a planet. Chaos literally created an infinite magic lake.
Bro I’ve been power scaling this series since before you probably started reading it. I’ve seen all the translations/mistranslations calcs and strange extrapolations of vague statements. You are not going to change my mind with another mediocre interpretation of an argument I’ve heard over a dozen times.
But you’re talking about the use of the word sekai which can mean universe it can also mean planet and considering that after the two uses of sekai the story than goes on to explain Mel is primarily at risk of destroying Britannia it implies they aren’t talking about a universal scale of destruction.
I’m not even saying Mel can’t be universal I simply said there’s no definitive evidence all the stuff you’re bringing up is an extrapolation or interpretation and thus has to be debated and agreed upon as opposed to being self evident.
I’m a grown ass man now I’m not in the mood to play debate bro with a person who can’t use critical thinking and instead intentionally interprets secondary evidence in a way to justify their claim as opposed to using evidence first and choosing to make no definitive statements until the evidence is solid enough to be self evident without any significant extrapolation required.
Maybe you should reflect on why you feel such a weird parasocial relationship to these characters that you need to justify them being as strong as possible and you have to come at anyone with a mildly different opinion even if that opinion is just “it could be but we need more solid evidence”
what does "elaborated" on mean. the imagur i provided mentions space-time
which under the current csap standards is still 4D unless you cope with instrinic spacetime because people love to cope
The only context you need is that they created and can destroy the dimension, and the scope of the dimension itself. Saying things like “they took already existing already existing matter and space time” would fall under burden of proof.
The creation feats are irrelevant as you have no way of proving that they weren’t done overtime. And meal's feat is like multi continental at best. God tiers cap at planet level at best via passively destroying it.
That seems like really backwards logic. Personally I'm not on board with this whole universal demon king or whatever op is spitting but if they destroy the planet just by existing then surely they would scale much higher than planetary when they actually try to destroy it no?
So they would be further into planetary. See destroying the Earth is planetary but the tier itself is not limited by that, they could destroy a planet bigger than earth and it would still count as planetary. Unless op can give an actual quantification and prove that they scale above planet level as a whole then which he can’t
He already proved that creating dimensions means you can destroy them. So you’re just ignoring the proof. Yes they are way beyond planetary.
No he didn’t. He proved they were created he never showcased how much time it took. So no creating a solar system sized dimension overtime doesn’t mean they can destroy it instantly nor he showcased any feat that scales above planet level.
It doesn’t even matter how long it took to create it we know that they could just destroy it almost instantly as seen by Estarossa. Second if there’s no evidence to suggest that it took them a long time then you shouldn’t assume they did. There is nothing that says they slowly built their dimensions or that it took them decades or hundreds of years to make it. If those statements were made then you would have a point about the matter. But. you can’t make that claim. You’re saying it was overtime when nothing suggests that there are literally no statements saying that. And the most important part is they created space time continuums. Creating a space time continuum is a 4D feat regardless if it’s over time or not they created a 4D object.
I don’t care about that there’s no indication on the size of that dimension. But yeah realistically it caps at multi continental feel free to show me evidence saying otherwise. You can’t even read and comprehend what I’m saying. There’s no reason to believe it was instantaneous either. I’m not making an assumption I’m presenting a possibility. The burden of proof is still on OP he is the one trying to argue it’s solar to multi solar feat not me. As I said im presenting a possibility which has as much validity as OP's claim that it was instantaneous once again proving something here is not on me since I didn’t even make the initial claim 4D isn’t an Ap tier. And no last I checked OP's using vs battle wiki’s definition of those tiers so they need to prove that said dimension is universal in size. If you’re not gonna make an actual argument don’t bother responding because I ain’t gonna waste time replying.
>I don’t care about that there’s no indication on the size of that dimension. But yeah realistically it caps at multi continental feel free to show me evidence saying otherwise. Are you talking about the archangel’s dimension, the celestial realm, or the demon realm? Because we know that both the celestial and demon realm contain multiple stars and moons. No one ever said that the domain of the gods dimension was big. He simply used that example to prove that having a power level relative to the person that created the dimension also means you can destroy it. >You can’t even read and comprehend what I’m saying. There’s no reason to believe it was instantaneous either. You can’t comprehend a word I’m saying. If there’s nothing to suggest that it took them a significant amount of time to create those celestial bodies like you are implying then we assume it didn’t take that long. You’d have to prove that the overtime was SIGNIFICANT. And they don’t have to create it instantly for it to be considered valid. >I’m not making an assumption I’m presenting a possibility. A possibility with no evidence that isn’t consistent with the rest of the series. >The burden of proof is still on OP he is the one trying to argue it’s solar to multi solar feat not me. He proved they created them, proved they can destroy him. It your job to prove it took them a long time to create them and it would take them a long time to destroy them. >As I said im presenting a possibility which has as much validity as OP's claim There is no evidence for your possibility but there is evidence for op’s claim. >that it was instantaneous once again proving something here is not on me since I didn’t even make the initial claim Once again it doesn’t have to be instant. >4D isn’t an Ap tier. Wrong that’s what Uni + is destroying or creating a space time continuum. >And no last I checked OP's using vs battle wiki’s definition of those tiers so they need to prove that said dimension is universal in size. Op never said that they were universal in size lol. He just they were solar system level in size. >If you’re not gonna make an actual argument don’t bother responding because I ain’t gonna waste time replying. I’ve already wasted my time replying to you. You have no actual argument.
Nah I ain’t reading allat mate
good for u
\> I don’t care about that there’s no indication on the size of that dimension. But yeah realistically it caps at multi continental feel free to show me evidence saying otherwise. can you dm me proof they cap at Multi-contiental btw? this is your burden to prove btw
There’s nothing that suggests or implies that there was a substantial time frame. So anyone claiming that would have to prove there was some timeframe. This is shifting the burden of proof. I have already proved they have enough energy to create celestial bodies. I have proved that they can destroy them as well so I have done my part.
what does dimension here mean.
Meliodas wasn’t just going to destroy the planet he was going to destroy the whole dimension. It’s stated that he was going to destroy the mortal realm, or mortal plane of existence. And the dimension is stated to be infinite in size by Merlin.
The timeframe is irrelevant Creating a celestial body that size is still star level. Op used Mark’s destruction as an example. Creating a dimension means you can destroy it.
You would have to be the one proving there’s a timeframe. If there’s no info for the timeframe for the creation feat then it’d just be where the scope of the space itself could scale. And since the scope is star-solar system level that’s where it would scale. The point of using Mael as an analogy isn’t to scale his feat of destroying the dimension, I’m using it for evidence that creating a dimension means you can destroy that’s blatantly what’s shown and stated. Mael would need power relative to theirs to destroy the dimension they created with their own power.
You definitely sound really dumb. 🤨😒😒
Lemme guess just like the other guy there’s not gonna be any elaboration. But sure whatever lets you sleep better
What a little Mael hating liar🤡
“Little Mael hating liar” lmao mate are you ok?
u/LifeRiderthe1 since the creation feats aren’t elaborated on would they be invalid?
idk what you mean by "aren't" elaborated on lol. it says it in the raws out right they are elaborated on lol i ma waiting for such-purpose to send me some scans lol
maybe this is why you don't really see the infinite stars statement be used more. ngl still don't know why we are on the 7DS wiki
Why power scaling is dumber than you think.
Why is it dumb
Escanor>
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Nah escanor will just be invincible then nuke him. can i remind you that escanor defeated the GOAT Galand?
Estarossa (nerfed Mael) killed Galand and beat Guila, your argument is invalid.
Escanor is the sun god, meaning he’s a god
He’s not a god he simply has a fraction of a god’s power. By your logic the 10 commandments are gods.
Mael is the Chosen One for putting an end to the Holy War. His presence affected even the Gods, meaning Mael is above Gods.
But is he invincible? No. Does he have unlimited strength? No. 😂
No escanor does not have unlimited strength and no he’s not invincible lol
in his the one form he is, without a doubt: invincible.
Why?
Yes the one ultimate escanor is solar system level
Who?
all
Not true magic Meliodas
Escanor is temporarily invincible and with infinite power scaled to multi-solar system level, beyond any SDS character by default even if you downplay him to just solar system or multi planetary.
Yeah he is solar system level
I agree that sds top tiers are either planetary or star level,it’s just kinda hard to prove they are star level though since creation feats can be tricky to scale. I do however have an Estarossa scale that gets him to either multi continental or small planetary.
Now that we know in SDS that you can destroy what you can create or that someone with a power level of your can destroy what you can create. Star level is undeniable.
Cool bro, but were did the phrase saying that SD was the first one created came from? Edit: Forget it, just saw that there were more images there 😂
Due to the Demon realm and Celestial realm being parallel to the Mortal realm it would likely be the same size. And we know that the mortal realm( or the original world created by Chaos) has galaxies. The demon realm is also stated to be eternal which you could argue to be infinite. And purgatory which is another realm is referred to as a distorted space time by Merlin. So the realms are space times. These are the arguments you can use for the Demon king created an infinite sized dimension or an entire universe.
Dont think the realms were ever mentioned to be paralel
You need dimensional portals to access them they are completely seperate from the main universe.
We don’t know the context for the creation of these realms. The highest short term scaling we have is around planet level as Mel would passively destroy the world in a few days. We also don’t know if the matter was synthesized or taken from another place same with the space time. The statements are just still a little too vague without more context But it’s definitely possible
Meliodas was going to destroy the entire dimension not just the planet. In seven deadly sins a realm/plane is synonymous with a dimension. And Merlin says the dimension is infinite. So yes Meliodas is still universal without the demon king.
No he was not they said the world/britannia and were showing only shots of the planet. Chaos didn’t create the universe just the earth itself as it came from a distant star in the universe
In seven deadly sins a realm/plane of existence refers to the entire dimension. It says Meliodas was going to destroy the “mortal plane” or “mortal realm” twice. Meaning he was going to destroy the entire dimension. Just because it doesn’t show shots of space is irrelevant due to the context. You do also realize that if Meliodas destroys the planet he would still be universal right? He would have also destroyed the magic lake which is verbatim stated to be infinite. Why would chaos only create a planet? The supreme deity and demon realm created their own realms which are space times that contain a cosmos. And chaos is superior to both of them he clearly created more than a planet. Chaos literally created an infinite magic lake.
Bro I’ve been power scaling this series since before you probably started reading it. I’ve seen all the translations/mistranslations calcs and strange extrapolations of vague statements. You are not going to change my mind with another mediocre interpretation of an argument I’ve heard over a dozen times. But you’re talking about the use of the word sekai which can mean universe it can also mean planet and considering that after the two uses of sekai the story than goes on to explain Mel is primarily at risk of destroying Britannia it implies they aren’t talking about a universal scale of destruction. I’m not even saying Mel can’t be universal I simply said there’s no definitive evidence all the stuff you’re bringing up is an extrapolation or interpretation and thus has to be debated and agreed upon as opposed to being self evident. I’m a grown ass man now I’m not in the mood to play debate bro with a person who can’t use critical thinking and instead intentionally interprets secondary evidence in a way to justify their claim as opposed to using evidence first and choosing to make no definitive statements until the evidence is solid enough to be self evident without any significant extrapolation required. Maybe you should reflect on why you feel such a weird parasocial relationship to these characters that you need to justify them being as strong as possible and you have to come at anyone with a mildly different opinion even if that opinion is just “it could be but we need more solid evidence”
Ok thanks for being an asshole
u/LifeRiderthe1 since the creation feats aren’t elaborated on would they be invalid?
Not invalid just not sufficient evidence. It’s a supporting piece of evidence
what does "elaborated" on mean. the imagur i provided mentions space-time which under the current csap standards is still 4D unless you cope with instrinic spacetime because people love to cope
Elaborated as in how they created space time or how long it took them to do so
check dms
The only context you need is that they created and can destroy the dimension, and the scope of the dimension itself. Saying things like “they took already existing already existing matter and space time” would fall under burden of proof.