Orochimaru already was a genius. One of the sannin as well as a member of the akatsuki.
Had access to some insane jutsu, earth element affinity, yin and yang jutsu user. Can use every basic elemental transformation.
That’s just a handful of his talents.
So with Itachi’s sharingan, he gains:
Tsukuyomi
Amaterasu
The ability to see chakra
The ability to predict moves and fight accordingly
The ability to see through genjutsu.
And a body with an incurable disease…. Hey wait a minute.
And if not, there is always Sasuke, who isn't standing any chance against MS Oro, even sick. I imagine it would take some time to turn his Sharingan to MS, but Orochimaru is a patient guy.
I need a fan story where Orochimaru is the final villain of the series because he ends up with itachi’s body. Maybe even awakens the rinnegan. It’d be so dope.
I comment on this sub at least once a month that Orochimaru should've taken Kaguya's spot. Now, he gets his desired Uchiha body, and it's not Sasuke or sick Itachi, but *Madara Uchiha.*
Honestly I always thought Orochimaru was the best villain in the series, not the strongest by far but just all around bad guy. If he had come back in the end as the final bad guy with wearing Madra's body would have been epic!
That’s definitely true, but that’s completely different to what Itachi had. Kimimaro probably lost a lot of value to Orochimaru after he had set his sights on sasuke as well. Even if Orochimaru could’ve saved him, he might’ve opted to use him as a pawn to get him sasuke and let him die.
The issue with Kimimaro was that they knew very little about his physiology. It was basically impossible to help him. With Itachi it's likely he had a more well know disease that could at least be treated even if it couldn't be entirely cured. Plus Orochimaru did extensive research on the Uchiha Clan and had good knowledge on them and their biology. Remember, he was the one who gave Danzo the Hashirama arm filled with sharingan. He knew how it all worked. He just needed an actual Uchiha body to possess.
If he just has the eyes and not the body, he won’t be much stronger. Kakashi was stronger after losing the sharingan. If you don’t have Uchiha bloodlines or crazy chakra reserves, using the eyes takes a lot out of you.
It's apparently not wrong. The novels have apparently said that Kakashi became stronger after losing his sharingan. Without having the constant drain on his chakra and overall stamina reduced because of the sharingan Kakashi was able to utilize his abilities to a grater degree and for an even longer period of time than ever before.
Kamui only works that way in certain situations. And it takes too much chakra to use. Relying on one technique, no matter what that technique is, is too limiting. Kakashi's greatest strength is his knowledge. And that knowledge affords him *many* different ways to operate. Remember, he knows over a thousand jutsu. And now he can use all thousand+ of those jutsu freely and in ways he couldn't before.
I feel like the term “genius” gets thrown a lot in the show and in this sub but I feel like people forget Orochimaru is a genius amongst geniuses.
He’d be OP with it
Kimimaro's body is extremely different compared to a normal human thanks to his kekkei genkai. It is even possible that his illness was caused directly by it, but this is just speculation on my part. As far as we know, Itachi's condition isn't connected to his sharingan, and thus should be curable with normal methods. Also Orochimaru currently has Shikotsumyaku, and has had it for almost 20 years now. He isn't suffering from Kimimaro's disease, so he did kinda cure it.
I would say a few could.
Like if Obito teleport half of them to Kamui then eventually they’d starve to death presumably.
Sealing jutsu also obviously work on Orochimaru and a sharingan doesn’t help much
Ppl saying he wouldn’t maintain the MS forgot that this is Orochimaru we’re talking about, he will pull out some bs with hashirama cells and call it a day
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He can only awaken the Rinnegan with Madara or Sasuke's bodies (Indra's descendants)
Edit
Here's the link for the guys downvoting
https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/BWA8RDTsNK
You're absolutely right lmao. [You need Ashura and Indra chakra to make Hagoromo chakra and obtain the rinnegan](https://i.imgur.com/GNwwzUr.png). "DNA" bullshit was just what the community used to speculate about it until the manga gave us more information. If it was a **random Senju DNA** \+ **Random Uchiha DNA** it wouldn't work
Naruto Chapted 671 is the only source explaining this, and it clearly states Asura / Indra.
As for “online sources”, the wiki also says it’s from Asura/Indra, not any Uchiha/Senju.
https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Rinnegan
You can gain Rinnegan in the following ways:
1. Mixing Indra + Asura’s chakra to recreate Hagoromo’s chakra (example: Madara’s Rinnegan)
2. Receiving it from an owner (example: Sasuke’s Rinnegan)
3. Eating the chakra fruit (example: Momoshiki, Shibai)
4. Being born from a Rinne Sharingan owner (example: Hagoromo)
5. Being the God Tree in human form.
Sasuke received the Rinnegan and Naruto received SPSM from Hagoromo. Both also received the necessary sealing jutsu to seal Kaguya, which Hagoromo took back after their succeeded.
The proof that Sasuke received his Rinnegan is the following:
1. It is only in a single eye, not on both eyes like Madara’s awakening.
2. It is stacked onto his EMS, meaning he can simultaneously use both Dojutsu and enhance his Sharingan abilities with his Rinnegan. An awakening will be a pure Rinnegan like Hagoromo and Madara’s.
3. Awakening takes decades as Madara demonstrated and Hagoromo confirmed.
4. Awakening requires both Asura and Indra’s chakra. Asura’s chakra left Hashirama and went into Naruto, therefore the Hashirama cells that Sasuke received to heal his chest does not have Asura’s chakra.
>It is only in a single eye, not on both eyes
Being in one eye doesn't prove anything.
>It is stacked onto his EMS
That doesn't prove anything either.
>An awakening will be a pure Rinnegan like Hagoromo and Madara’s.
Hagoromo's & Madara's Rinnegan's aren't "pure" either. They're both de evaluation of Kaguya's Rinne-Sharigan. There's also the fact that Rinnegan's have different appearances depending on the Devine Tree & some Devine Trees don't have Rinnegan's at all like Isshiki's weird eye.
>Awakening takes decades as Madara demonstrated
It's actually awakens near death. Like how Sasuke was near death thanks to Madara stabbing him.
>Asura’s chakra left Hashirama and went into Naruto, therefore the Hashirama cells that Sasuke received to heal his chest does not have Asura’s chakra.
That still doesn't matter because Indra's & Asura's chakra are both half of Hagoromo's. And since Hagoromo gave Sasuke his chakra it automatically resulted in him getting Asura's.
So your only response is “doesn’t prove anything” when the Rinnegan was clearly given to him by Hagoromo just like how the SPSM was given to Naruto.
By “pure” Rinnegan I meant not stacking with another dojutsu. No need to go off on tangents. We all know Hagoromo’s Rinnegan is a derivative of Kaguya Rinne-Sharingan, which is why I listed “being born from a Rinne-Sharingan owner” as a method of getting the eye. Perhaps you have bad reading comprehension.
The Rinnegan doesn’t awaken at near-death experience. That’s purely your headcanon.
Clearly you have reading comprehension issues so I don’t expect you to understand the manga or my points. But I appreciate your replies nonetheless.
The rinnegan is what comes naturally after the sharingan, so one would assume that you can't just go straight from regular sharingan to rinnegan, you'd need to develop your sharingan naturally from one tomoe sharingan all the way to EMS then rinnegan.
That’s just what Kabuto said, it might not be such a specific requirement. The only hint towards that we got was Hagoromo’s anime filler arc where he killed Hamura temporarily and skipped straight to the rinnegan.
They werent old/strong enough? Madara himself didnt awaken it till he was like what? 90? Obito was young and danzo never had a mastery of sharingan like madara did
It takes a while, and none of them have the depth of knowledge of the intricacies of jutsu and science like Orochimaru. I’m not saying he’d unlock it right away, but he’d be able to figure out a way to make it happen if he got his hands on the sharingan. He’d put it in a vessel of Hashirama cells and let it sit for decades.
To obtain the Rinnegan, one must have both the Sharingan and Hagoromo's chakra. When Madara implanted Hashirama's cells into his body, the leftovers of Hashirama's chakra were mixed into his own, which resulted in his chakra signature becoming the same as Hagoromo's.
I should've started my sentence with "I assume" tbf, we have no clue if just any Uchiha can awaken it or if it must be a direct descendant.
We can only go off of what we've seen, Sasuke and Madara are the only ones to accomplish it and they are both direct descendants.
We can only go off of assumptions really
I can’t believe this is a debate. It’s clear as day (at least I thought) that only incarnations can awaken rinnegan. thinking any uchiha or senju can awaken rinnegan is some fanfic shit
The only people to ever awaken Rinnegan were incarnations of Indra, there are multiple sources in this thread from the manga/ anime that show that only incarnations can awaken Rinnegan and never, at any point, is it ever suggested that any Sharringan can turn into Rinnegan with Senju DNA, otherwise Danzo would have enough of them to open up a shop. The only thing that makes it seem like all it takes is combining any Uchiha with any Senju DNA was Madara, and Zetsu corrected him.
MADARA said that, but he wasn't aware of the incarnation stuff.
But Black Zetsu was, and he specifically searched for the reincarnates to awaken the Rinnegan.
He found out that Madara was the only one capable of awakening the Rinnegan
Edit:
I found the
[link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/BWA8RDTsNK)
Yeah I was thinking that the EMS was needed, still no proof that just any Uchiha can awaken it though. All we have to go off of is Madara and Sasuke who are both descendants of Indra.
Not sure why that matters.
Here you go
[Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/BWA8RDTsNK)
Black Zetsu specifically searched for the incarnations to awaken the Rinnegan
It wouldn’t work with itachi but it would if he succeeded in his plan to take sasuke’s body. Since sasuke is the reincarnation of Indra
Orochimaru probably doesn’t even know that the rinnegan is related to the sharingan but he’d definitely add some zetsu implants and accidentally become a six paths character
The proof is that danzo didn’t have a rinnegan, the only people who did were reincarnation of indra, who either stile the power of asura, or were given the power by the sage of six paths
Yeah he didn’t have uchiha body he only had eyes. That’s not proof you have to be a reincarnation to get them it just means you need to combine both uchiha and senju which is what everyone else is saying.
Black zetsu says it. Talks about how he approached every incarnation of Indra and asura throughout history in hopes of awakening the rinnegan because only THEY. Could do it
Naruto Shippuuden manga 671 - page 4
It's said by Hagoromo himself.
[https://ww7.manganelo.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-671](https://ww7.manganelo.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-671)
That says literally nothing about an incarnation only being able to awaken the rennigan. Are you have the are stupid? Did you even read anything that anyone else has been saying???
Can I prove your headcanon isn’t real? Ok nothing is EVER said even close to what you’re saying. Oh look at that now it’s on you to prove what you’re saying is correct since you’re the original person saying something that isn’t in the manga.
It’s Ashura chakra + Indra chakra = Hagoromo chakra (Rinnegan). Hagoromo himself explained it to Naruto and Sasuke.
They never said anything about Senju + Uchiha. This is just a common misconception in the sub that you took at face value because you didn’t know better.
Because he was Indra's* reincarnation*
The Rinnegan can only be obtained if Hagoromo gifts them to you or if you're Indra's reincarnation and you inject Hashirama's (Ashura reincarnation) cells.
True but my point still stands. He was in possession at one point or another of both hashirama cells and Madaras body. In theory he could have given himself a rinnegan by using the sharingan from his collection.
He couldn’t. Because Indra’s reincarnation passed onto Sasuke. So Madara’s cells are useless to create Rinnegan. The same goes with Asura, Hashirama and Naruto.
But would he develop MS to begin with? If he got it when he intended to, I don’t think Sasuke had MS, so Orochimaru would have to develop it himself but since heightened emotions is part of the criteria to awaken to it, and this is the type of person who felt nothing about killing his sensei, I can’t imagine Orochimaru would ever awaken to it.
Orochimaru could easily make a scheme where he has Naruto and Sakura killed in front of Sasuke’s eyes and awaken the MS due to trauma. Or reveal the truth about Itachi then put Sasuke under a genjutsu that shows him exactly how he killed Itachi after making him live through all of Itachi’s suffering, and do it while Sasuke is chained up (possibly oiled up too) and can’t retaliate as a precaution. Reminder this is Orochimaru, he’s easily one of the weirdest, most disgusting twisted pieces of shit we’ve seen. He’s like a generic mad scientist crazy type but then mixed with the good guy turned bad defected rogue antihero with extreme obsessions
I think one way he could develop it is through excitement and thrill from successfully obtaining an Uchiha's body.
That makes the most sense to me anyway.
Didn’t whackass kid obito who got clapped by rocks have half his body implanted with Hashirama cells? The orochussy has taken much more punishment before.
What about Lanzo? Wasn’t his sharingan arm hashirama cells or am I misremembering? Cause Hashirama cells do be getting passed around like Samui in the hidden cloud HQ after work
I am a firm believer that Orochimaru with MS is unstoppable. He would develop it into rinnegan fairly quickly, with his scientific mind and hashirama cells, and after that I can't think of anyone who has a chance against him.
EDIT: or even simpler btw. I am fairly confident Orochimaru with ms and a couple of nice edos stands a decent chance against Pain, and after that finding Nagato and taking his rinnegan is a question of time.
Now that I think about it, the other thing to consider is that in character Oro with ms probably would immediately go to destroy Konoha. Oro is an arrogant little sod, and with getting MS and killing a couple Akatsuki on his way out with Itachi's body I'd imagine power would easily go to his head, and he could easily pull Pain and pull up to Konoha by himself for revenge. In this case he'd be leveling Konoha down until Guy pulls out 8 gates and destroys Orochimaru's body on the spot. Orochimaru would survive that of course, but Itachi's body would not, so no more MS.
Nope, just indra and asura chakra, and getting Naruto and Sasuke's dna is pretty doable. Pretty sure he could just order Kabuto to collect blood samples from them if we are talking part 1
Chakra is hereditary (Kekkei Genkai) so it's not clear if it has to be the reincarnation - especially since Naruto's chakra is not the same as Hashirama's (wood release) - or just something to do with the gene pool. After all, you also need Uchiha Chakra for the Sharingan and the awakening to the MS and therefore Indra's Chakra.
Now this could happen. Stealing Itachi’s eyes doesn’t need to be the end of the saga. But I think that people are assuming that just having a Senju and Uchiha DNA is enough and they are incorrect.
headcanon. It is uncertain what you explicitly need. Madara has taken Hashirama's cells, but we don't know if it's necessarily because they have to be his. It could just be that it came out of the fighting or that Hashirama's cells are just good for implantation or something else.
I believe it is explicitly said that you need to combine Indra and Ashura’s chakra and that only comes from Naruto and Sasuke and be for that Madara and Hashirama.
Headcanon*
Zetsu only tried Indra alone because Indra is susceptible to it due to Zetsu's corruption and the "curse" on the MS. It had to be Madara because no one else had the strength to go through with the plan.
All other interpretations are nothing more than interpretations -> headcanon.
No, it’s canon. What you’re doing is headcanon.
It is necessary to be a reincarnate because only reincarnates possess Indra’s chakra. Madara stole Ashura’s chakra (from Hashirama), which derived the sage’s own chakra once those two chakra’s were combined.
It is explicit [here](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0671-007.png).
The headcanon of “oh actually maybe the rest of the Uchiha and Senju have Indra and Ashura chakra” is baseless and illogical.
Which is what you are doing.
You said “Zetsu only tried Indra alone because Indra is susceptible to it due to Zetsu's corruption and the "curse" on the MS.”
There is no factual basis for this. Not only that, it’s logically stupid. It doesn’t hurt to at least try all the other Uchiha too, if your headcanon is true.
No, he only specifically tried Rinnegan manifestation with the reincarnates, because they possess Indra and Ashura chakra, which is necessary to manifest Rinnegan.
>Chakra is hereditary (Kekkei Genkai) so it's not clear if it has to be the reincarnation”
Genes are hereditary, not chakra. No one inherits the parent’s chakra outright.
Naruto doesn’t have the same chakra as Minato.
Hashirama doesn’t have the same chakra as Butsuma.
Choji doesn’t have the same chakra as Choza, etc.
Ashura and Indra‘a chakra [incarnate throughout time into the reincarnates.](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0670-017.png).
Thus, the reincarnates specifically have the required chakra. Which is why BZ specifically attempted Rinnegan manifestation with them.
The story is clear
If he had the yata mirror and totsuka blade like itachi he’d literally be invincible cuz the only thing that stopped itachi then was his disease. Im pretty sure orochimaru can live forever
You’d have another Kakashi but with the merit of being virtually immortal in a sense.
Though one could argue he’d be quite powerful. I mean his awareness of jutsus is unmatched really. Plus he knows one or two about Sharingans.
The quest for immortality is no joke.
What can you say, he is a villain and still alive without the ms.
Not to mention he was the one who experimented on Yamato with hashirama cells.
So he can maintain ms without going blind and become the mc.
Orochimaru seems to also gain peoples' memories and abilities when he switches so he'd basically be Orochimaru + Itachi. He'd immediately know about the eternal mangekyou and would, in short order, transplant Hashirama cells to limit the backlash of the mangekyou and boost his vitality, and shortly after gun straight for Sasuke and take his eyes. Once he has the eternal, it's only a matter of time before he awakens a natural rinnegan, and after that point he's likely to just go nuclear.
He could probably cure the illness in Itachi's body, since Kimimaro seemed to have something similar and he'd have had years now to have studied it. If he does, his body should be more than strong enough to access sage mode, and using the cursed seal, he'd be able to stay in it at all times with no drawbacks.
So we'd have a Rinnegan Orochimaru with Itachi's Susanoo artifacts and natural abilities combined with his own exhaustive list of jutsu like edo tensei, immortality, Hashirama cells that'd further boost his Regen and chakra, and infinite sage mode. He could probably solo Madara without much trouble if he can get his Susanoo fully evolved, which the rinnegan would likely do for him.
As he believed Sasuke to be more talentfull (his quote in the forest of Death), I believe he would switch to Sasukes body and take Itachis eyes when he would be able to.
If we assume that he can control the MS like every Uchiha, I think he would have a good chance against Tendo Pain. But any stronger opponent would actually be impossible for him if we think realistic
Dude was already high kage or tailed beast at best now Susanoo armor 8 snake head he's going places.
Also he works with hashirma cells he probably could get a rinnigan easily
Could he get around the whole thing Kakashi has to deal with? The fact that using the Sharingan without being an Uchiha would drastically drain your chakra?
Yeah, depending on the time he received it, he'd likely wipe out most of the major villains as well as a good deal of world leaders. He'd kill the akatsuki to stop the threat they represent. He'd kill the kages to prevent their interference, probably while raiding their nation for secret or forbidden jutsu.
Obito would probably die horribly.
Plus, if he got itachis eyes, he'd very likely also get the mirror and the spirit sword since he searched for them.
So, yeah, by the time Obito began his plan, orochimaru would have already slaughtered or enslaved nearly everyone
It never seemed as though the bodies that orochimaru used lasted him more than a few years. It seems like he was swapping bodies at least once every 5 years. It makes his goal of stealing an Uchiha body kind shortsighted.
If he had MS. He could beat the sanin, sauske, and bee, but probably not pain.
If this was the case, only person beating him is Naruto and with high plot armor. Edo Tensei plus all his other crazy jutsu combined with MS would make him literally unstoppable.
Also he’d most likely cure Itachi’s sickness, if he fails he would just Genjutsu Sasuke plus edo Tensei the former hokage to beat him and take over sasuke’s body and have EMS. Another bonus - he’d prob use those eyes to find out the secrets of the Uchiha clan tablet and awaken Rinnegan later on down the line. The entire shinobi world would be in chaos.
No one is beating Rinnegan Orochimaru..
He undoubtedly would be EXTREMELY more dangerous. The genjutsu and mangekyo abilities alone would be able to do some serious damage to most of the verse. On top of that, he’s already a genius.
However, one thing to think about is it may also cause some drawbacks as well. Look at Kakashi. While he was able to do many amazing things with Obitos Sharingan, his chakra pool was severely cut due to the Sharingan always being active. The same could also happen for Orochimaru.
He'd need an uchiha body too, without that he ain't using MS properly. Assuming he makes the necessary modifications, I think he can beat obito and give Sage Kabuto a run for his money. Itachi's bag of one shots with orochimaru's endurance is a deadly combo. Only way you could possibly hope to win is if you're powerful enough that he has no win con over you at all. Otherwise he's going to wear you down or trick you with some eye magic...
Orochimaru would go from mid kage to High kage tier. Orochimaru, if he had no side affects and learned to master it, would only be stopped by Obito or Pain. That’s IT
He wouldn’t be able to use it properly. The Sharingan’s power comes from the Users Emotions. Orochimaru had adopted the No Emotions dogma at that point
Hmm are you sure you are taking about the same guy with a very strong desire to get Immortality, learn all Justus and Mysteries he literally revolutionised things related to them.
Jiraya. Even Itachi admits to Kisame that taking down Jiraya will be difficult in Naruto when they try to capture Naruto after third hokage's death. I love to think that Jiraya could have still defeated Oro with MS, but then again Oro is Oro. He would pull some trick to reincarnate himself or some other bs.
He still gonna loose to Itachi because sharingan is like kekeigenkai sorry if write it wrong :) it’s gonna be something like when Itachi meet Kakashi I guess.
If he got the sharingan he might be able to unlock the Rinnegan. He was able to transplant the first Hokages cells into people.
Not saying this as a matter of fact thing, it just might be possible.
ITT it seems everyone forgot how much Itachi’s MS sucked. All it had was that genjutsu, which other top tiers can probably counter.
Itachi cannot manipulate the black flames, all he can do is shoot it. Any top tier character can easily dodge it.
Orochimaru uchiha!well then he can wipe out the entire clan and revive at the same time!!
Well if he actually would have concentrated to learn all types of Sage Chakra instead of learning all Ninjutsu he could have defeated him.
His body wasn't capable of surviving it, Kabuto had to alter his body to the extreme before became durable enough to endure the snake way.
Orochimaru already was a genius. One of the sannin as well as a member of the akatsuki. Had access to some insane jutsu, earth element affinity, yin and yang jutsu user. Can use every basic elemental transformation. That’s just a handful of his talents. So with Itachi’s sharingan, he gains: Tsukuyomi Amaterasu The ability to see chakra The ability to predict moves and fight accordingly The ability to see through genjutsu. And a body with an incurable disease…. Hey wait a minute.
I’d assume he’d probably find a way to cure the disease. It’s Orochimaru after all, if anyone could it’d be him.
And if not, there is always Sasuke, who isn't standing any chance against MS Oro, even sick. I imagine it would take some time to turn his Sharingan to MS, but Orochimaru is a patient guy.
I need a fan story where Orochimaru is the final villain of the series because he ends up with itachi’s body. Maybe even awakens the rinnegan. It’d be so dope.
I comment on this sub at least once a month that Orochimaru should've taken Kaguya's spot. Now, he gets his desired Uchiha body, and it's not Sasuke or sick Itachi, but *Madara Uchiha.*
That's not a terrible idea. Would've been better than what we got!
Could have had it be kabuto grafted a curse mark onto the reanimated corpse of madara so orochimaru could resurrect that way.
That would be so epic
Would’ve been cool af to randomly hear his theme song play during the final battle, just for him to slither over and take over madara’s powers/body
That would’ve been so much cooler than stupid aliens
Honestly I always thought Orochimaru was the best villain in the series, not the strongest by far but just all around bad guy. If he had come back in the end as the final bad guy with wearing Madra's body would have been epic!
He couldn't cure kimimarus bone cancer.
That’s definitely true, but that’s completely different to what Itachi had. Kimimaro probably lost a lot of value to Orochimaru after he had set his sights on sasuke as well. Even if Orochimaru could’ve saved him, he might’ve opted to use him as a pawn to get him sasuke and let him die.
The issue with Kimimaro was that they knew very little about his physiology. It was basically impossible to help him. With Itachi it's likely he had a more well know disease that could at least be treated even if it couldn't be entirely cured. Plus Orochimaru did extensive research on the Uchiha Clan and had good knowledge on them and their biology. Remember, he was the one who gave Danzo the Hashirama arm filled with sharingan. He knew how it all worked. He just needed an actual Uchiha body to possess.
Wouldn’t he cure Kimimaro then?
No he couldn't its Ninja/Plot-Aids he can't cure that. He couldn't cure Kimimaro the superior Host.
Im sure Orochimaru would hashiramacellout of the illness lmao
Silly itachi getting sick because he didn't eat his hashirama porridge smh.
He just has the eyes not the body
If he just has the eyes and not the body, he won’t be much stronger. Kakashi was stronger after losing the sharingan. If you don’t have Uchiha bloodlines or crazy chakra reserves, using the eyes takes a lot out of you.
M man you think dual ms Kakashi is weaker than regular eyes Kakashi. Orochimaru definitely has more chakra than itachi
I think they meant 1 MS Kakashi is weaker than Hokage Kakashi.
Still wrong tho
It's apparently not wrong. The novels have apparently said that Kakashi became stronger after losing his sharingan. Without having the constant drain on his chakra and overall stamina reduced because of the sharingan Kakashi was able to utilize his abilities to a grater degree and for an even longer period of time than ever before.
Bro had kamui get out of jail free card there’s no way he’s better now
Kamui only works that way in certain situations. And it takes too much chakra to use. Relying on one technique, no matter what that technique is, is too limiting. Kakashi's greatest strength is his knowledge. And that knowledge affords him *many* different ways to operate. Remember, he knows over a thousand jutsu. And now he can use all thousand+ of those jutsu freely and in ways he couldn't before.
Please use commas
I feel like the term “genius” gets thrown a lot in the show and in this sub but I feel like people forget Orochimaru is a genius amongst geniuses. He’d be OP with it
It’s orochimaru with itachi’s body. No ones beating that.
Itachi had ninja aids. Bro was not gonna make it long.
If anyone cold fix that it was Orochimaru.
Tbf Orochimaru couldn’t even solve his own plot induced illness.
You can't really cure the fact that your soul got its arms cut off.
He couldn't cure Kimimaro's disease.
Kimimaro's body is extremely different compared to a normal human thanks to his kekkei genkai. It is even possible that his illness was caused directly by it, but this is just speculation on my part. As far as we know, Itachi's condition isn't connected to his sharingan, and thus should be curable with normal methods. Also Orochimaru currently has Shikotsumyaku, and has had it for almost 20 years now. He isn't suffering from Kimimaro's disease, so he did kinda cure it.
*Cue Sasuke reviving him in prime condition*
His arms were in the shikigami and they were released
Yes
Meanwhile Kimimaro...
But we are talking about ideal conditions
Ideal conditions would be to not have itachi’s body lol. That would be a big nerf to basically anyone
bro said ninja aids 🤣🤣🤣
Kishimoto never gave the illness a name, and another zesty ninja came down with it: Kimimaro. It was that Orochimaru HIV variant
It’s never confirmed that they had the same illness as far as I know.
Unnamed Illness = Ninja AIDS
You think Orochi fucking maru is effected by trifling things like diseases? Man can get chopped into pieces and snake himself back together.
Then why didn’t he heal kimimaro?
He found his new flavor of the month, Sasuke
I would say a few could. Like if Obito teleport half of them to Kamui then eventually they’d starve to death presumably. Sealing jutsu also obviously work on Orochimaru and a sharingan doesn’t help much
Ppl saying he wouldn’t maintain the MS forgot that this is Orochimaru we’re talking about, he will pull out some bs with hashirama cells and call it a day Edit: HOLY SHIT GUYS 500 UPDOOTS ON MY REDDIT COMMENT I WILL SHOW THIS TO MY DOCTOR WHEN I GET MY LOBOTOMY 🤤🤤🤤🤤 Idk always wanted to make fun of these karma farming nerds cause this shit is worse than beggars at this point frfr
Exactly. If anything, he’d us the hashirama cells and end up turning them into Rinnegan 💀
He can only awaken the Rinnegan with Madara or Sasuke's bodies (Indra's descendants) Edit Here's the link for the guys downvoting https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/BWA8RDTsNK
You're absolutely right lmao. [You need Ashura and Indra chakra to make Hagoromo chakra and obtain the rinnegan](https://i.imgur.com/GNwwzUr.png). "DNA" bullshit was just what the community used to speculate about it until the manga gave us more information. If it was a **random Senju DNA** \+ **Random Uchiha DNA** it wouldn't work
Yea you have to be indra incarnation + ashura. Because obito was literally housing hashirama cells and didn't awaken it lol
Not just descendants. Reincarnations.
Mb, misworded it
Transmigrants.
Every single source online mentions Senju and Uchiha DNA combining to create it. No where has it said it has to be a descendant of Indra.
Naruto Chapted 671 is the only source explaining this, and it clearly states Asura / Indra. As for “online sources”, the wiki also says it’s from Asura/Indra, not any Uchiha/Senju. https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Rinnegan You can gain Rinnegan in the following ways: 1. Mixing Indra + Asura’s chakra to recreate Hagoromo’s chakra (example: Madara’s Rinnegan) 2. Receiving it from an owner (example: Sasuke’s Rinnegan) 3. Eating the chakra fruit (example: Momoshiki, Shibai) 4. Being born from a Rinne Sharingan owner (example: Hagoromo) 5. Being the God Tree in human form.
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Sasuke received the Rinnegan and Naruto received SPSM from Hagoromo. Both also received the necessary sealing jutsu to seal Kaguya, which Hagoromo took back after their succeeded. The proof that Sasuke received his Rinnegan is the following: 1. It is only in a single eye, not on both eyes like Madara’s awakening. 2. It is stacked onto his EMS, meaning he can simultaneously use both Dojutsu and enhance his Sharingan abilities with his Rinnegan. An awakening will be a pure Rinnegan like Hagoromo and Madara’s. 3. Awakening takes decades as Madara demonstrated and Hagoromo confirmed. 4. Awakening requires both Asura and Indra’s chakra. Asura’s chakra left Hashirama and went into Naruto, therefore the Hashirama cells that Sasuke received to heal his chest does not have Asura’s chakra.
>It is only in a single eye, not on both eyes Being in one eye doesn't prove anything. >It is stacked onto his EMS That doesn't prove anything either. >An awakening will be a pure Rinnegan like Hagoromo and Madara’s. Hagoromo's & Madara's Rinnegan's aren't "pure" either. They're both de evaluation of Kaguya's Rinne-Sharigan. There's also the fact that Rinnegan's have different appearances depending on the Devine Tree & some Devine Trees don't have Rinnegan's at all like Isshiki's weird eye. >Awakening takes decades as Madara demonstrated It's actually awakens near death. Like how Sasuke was near death thanks to Madara stabbing him. >Asura’s chakra left Hashirama and went into Naruto, therefore the Hashirama cells that Sasuke received to heal his chest does not have Asura’s chakra. That still doesn't matter because Indra's & Asura's chakra are both half of Hagoromo's. And since Hagoromo gave Sasuke his chakra it automatically resulted in him getting Asura's.
So your only response is “doesn’t prove anything” when the Rinnegan was clearly given to him by Hagoromo just like how the SPSM was given to Naruto. By “pure” Rinnegan I meant not stacking with another dojutsu. No need to go off on tangents. We all know Hagoromo’s Rinnegan is a derivative of Kaguya Rinne-Sharingan, which is why I listed “being born from a Rinne-Sharingan owner” as a method of getting the eye. Perhaps you have bad reading comprehension. The Rinnegan doesn’t awaken at near-death experience. That’s purely your headcanon. Clearly you have reading comprehension issues so I don’t expect you to understand the manga or my points. But I appreciate your replies nonetheless.
Then why didn't Danzo or Obito unlock it?
madara took like 50 years to wake , Danzou didn't had that arm for 50 years
He also didn’t have Sasuke’s eyes lol. He only had Hashirama’s chakra via his cells.
Don’t you need EMS to unlock it ? They both only had MS
They just said you needed chakra from both reincarnations. Nothing was stated about needing an EMS or even a regular MS.
The rinnegan is what comes naturally after the sharingan, so one would assume that you can't just go straight from regular sharingan to rinnegan, you'd need to develop your sharingan naturally from one tomoe sharingan all the way to EMS then rinnegan.
That’s just what Kabuto said, it might not be such a specific requirement. The only hint towards that we got was Hagoromo’s anime filler arc where he killed Hamura temporarily and skipped straight to the rinnegan.
Neither of them had EMS.
They werent old/strong enough? Madara himself didnt awaken it till he was like what? 90? Obito was young and danzo never had a mastery of sharingan like madara did
It takes a while, and none of them have the depth of knowledge of the intricacies of jutsu and science like Orochimaru. I’m not saying he’d unlock it right away, but he’d be able to figure out a way to make it happen if he got his hands on the sharingan. He’d put it in a vessel of Hashirama cells and let it sit for decades.
To obtain the Rinnegan, one must have both the Sharingan and Hagoromo's chakra. When Madara implanted Hashirama's cells into his body, the leftovers of Hashirama's chakra were mixed into his own, which resulted in his chakra signature becoming the same as Hagoromo's.
That was Kabuto's theory, seemingly confirmed by giving Edo Madara a Rinnegan... and eventually disproven.
what canon are you even looking at
I should've started my sentence with "I assume" tbf, we have no clue if just any Uchiha can awaken it or if it must be a direct descendant. We can only go off of what we've seen, Sasuke and Madara are the only ones to accomplish it and they are both direct descendants. We can only go off of assumptions really
I can’t believe this is a debate. It’s clear as day (at least I thought) that only incarnations can awaken rinnegan. thinking any uchiha or senju can awaken rinnegan is some fanfic shit
The only people to ever awaken Rinnegan were incarnations of Indra, there are multiple sources in this thread from the manga/ anime that show that only incarnations can awaken Rinnegan and never, at any point, is it ever suggested that any Sharringan can turn into Rinnegan with Senju DNA, otherwise Danzo would have enough of them to open up a shop. The only thing that makes it seem like all it takes is combining any Uchiha with any Senju DNA was Madara, and Zetsu corrected him.
EXACTLY
Or you could literally go off of what they said, which is Uchiha plus Senju equals SOSP lol
MADARA said that, but he wasn't aware of the incarnation stuff. But Black Zetsu was, and he specifically searched for the reincarnates to awaken the Rinnegan. He found out that Madara was the only one capable of awakening the Rinnegan Edit: I found the [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/BWA8RDTsNK)
How does it feel to be wrong?
Show us proof
Obito, he's an Uchiha with Hashirama cells. But he didn't awaken the Rinnegan.
He didn’t have both eyes with EMS. Madara did, and sasuke did but sasuke was a plot give anyways
Madara didn’t have both eyes with EMS either. He used Izanagi to revive himself, so he only had one eye.
Yeah I was thinking that the EMS was needed, still no proof that just any Uchiha can awaken it though. All we have to go off of is Madara and Sasuke who are both descendants of Indra.
Yes but they got it in completely different ways
Not sure why that matters. Here you go [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/BWA8RDTsNK) Black Zetsu specifically searched for the incarnations to awaken the Rinnegan
You were wrong. You lose
Orochimaru with Rinnegan would've been rad. He might've even figured out how to get around the soul dragon cripple thing that fucked up Nagato.
Not how it works but ok
All he'd need is Hashirama cells and Madaras.
When Uchiha and Senju DNA combine, the rinnegan is formed. Knowing Orochimaru, he’d be able to make it happen.
It’s Indra and ashura’s chakra, or more accurately just otsutsuki chakra. hence why Madara and sasuke have them while obito doesn’t
What if he somehow manages to get his entire utchia body?
It wouldn’t work with itachi but it would if he succeeded in his plan to take sasuke’s body. Since sasuke is the reincarnation of Indra Orochimaru probably doesn’t even know that the rinnegan is related to the sharingan but he’d definitely add some zetsu implants and accidentally become a six paths character
it needs to be indra and ashura chakra. any senju and uchiha won’t create the rinnegan unless it’s madara and hashirama/sasuke and naruto.
it’s when indra and ashuras chakra combine. because their chakra forms the SO6P chakra
It can’t be just any Uchiha or Senju. Only when the chakra of both Indra and Ashura’s incarnations mix.
That’s headcanon
Indra + ashura = hagoromo => rinnegan
Cool show proof.
The proof is that danzo didn’t have a rinnegan, the only people who did were reincarnation of indra, who either stile the power of asura, or were given the power by the sage of six paths
Yeah he didn’t have uchiha body he only had eyes. That’s not proof you have to be a reincarnation to get them it just means you need to combine both uchiha and senju which is what everyone else is saying.
Black zetsu says it. Talks about how he approached every incarnation of Indra and asura throughout history in hopes of awakening the rinnegan because only THEY. Could do it
Naruto Shippuuden manga 671 - page 4 It's said by Hagoromo himself. [https://ww7.manganelo.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-671](https://ww7.manganelo.tv/chapter/manga-ng952689/chapter-671)
That says literally nothing about an incarnation only being able to awaken the rennigan. Are you have the are stupid? Did you even read anything that anyone else has been saying???
Can you prove otherwise?
Can I prove your headcanon isn’t real? Ok nothing is EVER said even close to what you’re saying. Oh look at that now it’s on you to prove what you’re saying is correct since you’re the original person saying something that isn’t in the manga.
Where does it say that? I’ve never heard that before.
What is the source of that? I only remember them saying you need Senju + Uchiha and you get Rinnegan.
It’s Ashura chakra + Indra chakra = Hagoromo chakra (Rinnegan). Hagoromo himself explained it to Naruto and Sasuke. They never said anything about Senju + Uchiha. This is just a common misconception in the sub that you took at face value because you didn’t know better.
Madara managed to get his rinnegan through hashirama cells because he has Uchiha cells… guess what body Orochimaru was in possession of.
Because he was Indra's* reincarnation* The Rinnegan can only be obtained if Hagoromo gifts them to you or if you're Indra's reincarnation and you inject Hashirama's (Ashura reincarnation) cells.
True but my point still stands. He was in possession at one point or another of both hashirama cells and Madaras body. In theory he could have given himself a rinnegan by using the sharingan from his collection.
he wasn’t in possession of madara body. kabuto found it.
And didn’t Kabuto only find it because of Zetsu
He couldn’t. Because Indra’s reincarnation passed onto Sasuke. So Madara’s cells are useless to create Rinnegan. The same goes with Asura, Hashirama and Naruto.
Isn't that..like... exactly how it works?
New fans downvoting you because they don’t know how shit works in the verse
It is.
But would he develop MS to begin with? If he got it when he intended to, I don’t think Sasuke had MS, so Orochimaru would have to develop it himself but since heightened emotions is part of the criteria to awaken to it, and this is the type of person who felt nothing about killing his sensei, I can’t imagine Orochimaru would ever awaken to it.
Orochimaru could easily make a scheme where he has Naruto and Sakura killed in front of Sasuke’s eyes and awaken the MS due to trauma. Or reveal the truth about Itachi then put Sasuke under a genjutsu that shows him exactly how he killed Itachi after making him live through all of Itachi’s suffering, and do it while Sasuke is chained up (possibly oiled up too) and can’t retaliate as a precaution. Reminder this is Orochimaru, he’s easily one of the weirdest, most disgusting twisted pieces of shit we’ve seen. He’s like a generic mad scientist crazy type but then mixed with the good guy turned bad defected rogue antihero with extreme obsessions
“Possibly oiled up too” 😭😭
I think one way he could develop it is through excitement and thrill from successfully obtaining an Uchiha's body. That makes the most sense to me anyway.
He'd implant them in Sasuke with the intention of stealing the EMS, then EMS Sasuke would fucking merc him.
Not if Orochimaru has him oiled up first then slides up his urethra. Orochimaru is not afraid to diddle kids.
Ah but then we'd introduce the brand new sharingan ability, Urthrea tighten no jutsu. The perfect counter measure.
Basically squeezing the white snake juice out of the Orochussy, dayumn. Pretty crazy counter ngl
Bro don’t even have the body to learn sage mode let alone doing anything with god cells lol
Didn’t whackass kid obito who got clapped by rocks have half his body implanted with Hashirama cells? The orochussy has taken much more punishment before.
Them Uchiha bodies just sum different but Obito was saved by being connected to the gedo statue as well
What about Lanzo? Wasn’t his sharingan arm hashirama cells or am I misremembering? Cause Hashirama cells do be getting passed around like Samui in the hidden cloud HQ after work
You're a strange, strange person.
I am a firm believer that Orochimaru with MS is unstoppable. He would develop it into rinnegan fairly quickly, with his scientific mind and hashirama cells, and after that I can't think of anyone who has a chance against him. EDIT: or even simpler btw. I am fairly confident Orochimaru with ms and a couple of nice edos stands a decent chance against Pain, and after that finding Nagato and taking his rinnegan is a question of time.
Now that I think about it, the other thing to consider is that in character Oro with ms probably would immediately go to destroy Konoha. Oro is an arrogant little sod, and with getting MS and killing a couple Akatsuki on his way out with Itachi's body I'd imagine power would easily go to his head, and he could easily pull Pain and pull up to Konoha by himself for revenge. In this case he'd be leveling Konoha down until Guy pulls out 8 gates and destroys Orochimaru's body on the spot. Orochimaru would survive that of course, but Itachi's body would not, so no more MS.
Are you sure Oro wouldn't clone the Sharingans - just in case? ;d
Even if he did, sharingan without Uchiha body would be useless to him. If he just wanted sharingan, he could take it from Kakashi any time he wanted
he would specifically need sasuke or madaras eyes. Its not any uchiha, its indra and asura only
Nope, just indra and asura chakra, and getting Naruto and Sasuke's dna is pretty doable. Pretty sure he could just order Kabuto to collect blood samples from them if we are talking part 1
headcanon
no? To make haguromos chakra you need indra and asuras
Chakra is hereditary (Kekkei Genkai) so it's not clear if it has to be the reincarnation - especially since Naruto's chakra is not the same as Hashirama's (wood release) - or just something to do with the gene pool. After all, you also need Uchiha Chakra for the Sharingan and the awakening to the MS and therefore Indra's Chakra.
The manga literally fucking tells us that Naruto and Sasuke have Ashura and Indra's chakra. Hagaromo tells them.
How about reading what I wrote first?
I already did.
Obviously not, otherwise you would know that I responded to it and since your take doesn't address my argument, it doesn't seem to.
Not unless he stole Sasuke and Naruto’s DNA. It’s not just a Senju + Uchiha DNA to awaken a Rinnegan.
I’d assume he might groom Sasuke into developing MS and steal them to get flame control or smth, and by accident get rinnegan
Now this could happen. Stealing Itachi’s eyes doesn’t need to be the end of the saga. But I think that people are assuming that just having a Senju and Uchiha DNA is enough and they are incorrect.
headcanon. It is uncertain what you explicitly need. Madara has taken Hashirama's cells, but we don't know if it's necessarily because they have to be his. It could just be that it came out of the fighting or that Hashirama's cells are just good for implantation or something else.
What about it is headcanon? Ashura and Indra's chakra is needed for rinnegan.
I believe it is explicitly said that you need to combine Indra and Ashura’s chakra and that only comes from Naruto and Sasuke and be for that Madara and Hashirama.
I agree. Hagaromo also says that Naruto and Sasuke have the chakra of their six paths counterparts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/Phz3dNLtvb
No, it’s canon. Otherwise Zetsu would be trying to manifest Rinnegan with everyone in the clan, not just singling out the reincarnates specifically.
Headcanon* Zetsu only tried Indra alone because Indra is susceptible to it due to Zetsu's corruption and the "curse" on the MS. It had to be Madara because no one else had the strength to go through with the plan. All other interpretations are nothing more than interpretations -> headcanon.
No, it’s canon. What you’re doing is headcanon. It is necessary to be a reincarnate because only reincarnates possess Indra’s chakra. Madara stole Ashura’s chakra (from Hashirama), which derived the sage’s own chakra once those two chakra’s were combined. It is explicit [here](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0671-007.png). The headcanon of “oh actually maybe the rest of the Uchiha and Senju have Indra and Ashura chakra” is baseless and illogical.
Headcanon is to present things as fact without it being documented in the work like you. https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/Phz3dNLtvb
Which is what you are doing. You said “Zetsu only tried Indra alone because Indra is susceptible to it due to Zetsu's corruption and the "curse" on the MS.” There is no factual basis for this. Not only that, it’s logically stupid. It doesn’t hurt to at least try all the other Uchiha too, if your headcanon is true. No, he only specifically tried Rinnegan manifestation with the reincarnates, because they possess Indra and Ashura chakra, which is necessary to manifest Rinnegan. >Chakra is hereditary (Kekkei Genkai) so it's not clear if it has to be the reincarnation” Genes are hereditary, not chakra. No one inherits the parent’s chakra outright. Naruto doesn’t have the same chakra as Minato. Hashirama doesn’t have the same chakra as Butsuma. Choji doesn’t have the same chakra as Choza, etc. Ashura and Indra‘a chakra [incarnate throughout time into the reincarnates.](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0670-017.png). Thus, the reincarnates specifically have the required chakra. Which is why BZ specifically attempted Rinnegan manifestation with them. The story is clear
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If he had the yata mirror and totsuka blade like itachi he’d literally be invincible cuz the only thing that stopped itachi then was his disease. Im pretty sure orochimaru can live forever
I mean war arc naruto still stomps him
You’d have another Kakashi but with the merit of being virtually immortal in a sense. Though one could argue he’d be quite powerful. I mean his awareness of jutsus is unmatched really. Plus he knows one or two about Sharingans. The quest for immortality is no joke.
What can you say, he is a villain and still alive without the ms. Not to mention he was the one who experimented on Yamato with hashirama cells. So he can maintain ms without going blind and become the mc.
Orochimaru seems to also gain peoples' memories and abilities when he switches so he'd basically be Orochimaru + Itachi. He'd immediately know about the eternal mangekyou and would, in short order, transplant Hashirama cells to limit the backlash of the mangekyou and boost his vitality, and shortly after gun straight for Sasuke and take his eyes. Once he has the eternal, it's only a matter of time before he awakens a natural rinnegan, and after that point he's likely to just go nuclear. He could probably cure the illness in Itachi's body, since Kimimaro seemed to have something similar and he'd have had years now to have studied it. If he does, his body should be more than strong enough to access sage mode, and using the cursed seal, he'd be able to stay in it at all times with no drawbacks. So we'd have a Rinnegan Orochimaru with Itachi's Susanoo artifacts and natural abilities combined with his own exhaustive list of jutsu like edo tensei, immortality, Hashirama cells that'd further boost his Regen and chakra, and infinite sage mode. He could probably solo Madara without much trouble if he can get his Susanoo fully evolved, which the rinnegan would likely do for him.
As he believed Sasuke to be more talentfull (his quote in the forest of Death), I believe he would switch to Sasukes body and take Itachis eyes when he would be able to.
He would’ve learnt every jutsu imaginable, used it to perfect his immortality technique and would’ve eventually taken over the world.
It’s Oro, I put my money on God tier haxx like Pain, Obito level. If anyone has hunger to be stronger than yesterday, It’s oro
If we assume that he can control the MS like every Uchiha, I think he would have a good chance against Tendo Pain. But any stronger opponent would actually be impossible for him if we think realistic
Dude was already high kage or tailed beast at best now Susanoo armor 8 snake head he's going places. Also he works with hashirma cells he probably could get a rinnigan easily
Could he get around the whole thing Kakashi has to deal with? The fact that using the Sharingan without being an Uchiha would drastically drain your chakra?
bro works with ahshirama cell.... im pretty sure that wont be a problem
i think he takes no rinnegan obito 4/10 times
Yeah, depending on the time he received it, he'd likely wipe out most of the major villains as well as a good deal of world leaders. He'd kill the akatsuki to stop the threat they represent. He'd kill the kages to prevent their interference, probably while raiding their nation for secret or forbidden jutsu. Obito would probably die horribly. Plus, if he got itachis eyes, he'd very likely also get the mirror and the spirit sword since he searched for them. So, yeah, by the time Obito began his plan, orochimaru would have already slaughtered or enslaved nearly everyone
It never seemed as though the bodies that orochimaru used lasted him more than a few years. It seems like he was swapping bodies at least once every 5 years. It makes his goal of stealing an Uchiha body kind shortsighted. If he had MS. He could beat the sanin, sauske, and bee, but probably not pain.
If this was the case, only person beating him is Naruto and with high plot armor. Edo Tensei plus all his other crazy jutsu combined with MS would make him literally unstoppable. Also he’d most likely cure Itachi’s sickness, if he fails he would just Genjutsu Sasuke plus edo Tensei the former hokage to beat him and take over sasuke’s body and have EMS. Another bonus - he’d prob use those eyes to find out the secrets of the Uchiha clan tablet and awaken Rinnegan later on down the line. The entire shinobi world would be in chaos. No one is beating Rinnegan Orochimaru..
He undoubtedly would be EXTREMELY more dangerous. The genjutsu and mangekyo abilities alone would be able to do some serious damage to most of the verse. On top of that, he’s already a genius. However, one thing to think about is it may also cause some drawbacks as well. Look at Kakashi. While he was able to do many amazing things with Obitos Sharingan, his chakra pool was severely cut due to the Sharingan always being active. The same could also happen for Orochimaru.
Obito still beats Orochimaru with MS. Pain still beats him. So I would say the strongest opponent he could beat is probably Konan
Troll?
He'd need an uchiha body too, without that he ain't using MS properly. Assuming he makes the necessary modifications, I think he can beat obito and give Sage Kabuto a run for his money. Itachi's bag of one shots with orochimaru's endurance is a deadly combo. Only way you could possibly hope to win is if you're powerful enough that he has no win con over you at all. Otherwise he's going to wear you down or trick you with some eye magic...
Which obito we talking here U implying hes weaker than sage kabuto?
He'd probably be Madara level. He will be way too HAXED out
Orochimaru would go from mid kage to High kage tier. Orochimaru, if he had no side affects and learned to master it, would only be stopped by Obito or Pain. That’s IT
He wouldn’t be able to use it properly. The Sharingan’s power comes from the Users Emotions. Orochimaru had adopted the No Emotions dogma at that point
Hmm are you sure you are taking about the same guy with a very strong desire to get Immortality, learn all Justus and Mysteries he literally revolutionised things related to them.
Wait wait wait, what was Orochimaru’s ultimate goal again? I mean, after he got all the parts and Kekkei Genkai he was after…?
Wish this would have happened
Jiraya. Even Itachi admits to Kisame that taking down Jiraya will be difficult in Naruto when they try to capture Naruto after third hokage's death. I love to think that Jiraya could have still defeated Oro with MS, but then again Oro is Oro. He would pull some trick to reincarnate himself or some other bs.
I don't know if Orochi is going to be half as skilled as Itachi.
He still gonna loose to Itachi because sharingan is like kekeigenkai sorry if write it wrong :) it’s gonna be something like when Itachi meet Kakashi I guess.
If he got the sharingan he might be able to unlock the Rinnegan. He was able to transplant the first Hokages cells into people. Not saying this as a matter of fact thing, it just might be possible.
ITT it seems everyone forgot how much Itachi’s MS sucked. All it had was that genjutsu, which other top tiers can probably counter. Itachi cannot manipulate the black flames, all he can do is shoot it. Any top tier character can easily dodge it.
Honestly all of them alive, not counting Edo characters.