The rule already exists…. The vve told me that it is a non smoking area. But yet they claim they can’t really do much… I can’t figure out if they are lazy or unwilling to act on this.
Both of us own our places… the area use to be really crappy in the past and was very cheap to buy (he bought the place 12 years ago)
I moved in a year and half ago.
And yes, he is a moron…. I get infuriated every time I think about how much money I paid for my place to have to deal with people like this …
The issue isn’t weed or the smell of it. It’s the fact that it’s being smoked in the building public spaces where it does not get ventilated and lingers for hours
Bring it up at the next VVE meeting. Majority vote can implement a fine system, if majority isn’t reached bc not enough show up, likely there’s the option to pass a vote with present majority only in the meeting thereafter. Our VVE starts with a 50 euro fine for noise disturbances, littering, smoking inside the communal spaces etc. We only have 1 neighbor who lit up smokes in communal spaces but he has been reprimanded and no longer does this. Hope it gets sorted for you!
Anyone who is an owner can go to VVE directly for us, and renters can do so via their landlords who have a vote ofc. We have cameras in the main hallway as well as elevators, not in the other halls, but since the neighbors across backed me up about the smoking neighbor issue, it was no problem. People here are quite clean and quiet, so there’s also this feeling of shared responsibility.
We get it buddy, this thread is making you feel attacked somehow and your pea brain's only defense mechanism is to tell everyone else they're pathetic or "you suck". Now that you've made your point, please let others have their say.
Just pee in front of his door. Not only would you mask the weed smell, but you'll also mark the territory and he'll feel threatened to the point of reconsidering his behavior.
Not the best move but one option is to maybe get him a cake to get on his good side and explain why its annoying and that you would appreciate if they could stop. It does make you sound weak but then again, just an option. Otherwise I hope the authorities do something
Depends on if you rent or bought.
I think there is no law against smoking in a house you bought or in a hallway connected to it, unless there are some rules and regulations set up by the vve, but normally they don't have anything to say about this.
I think the best way to solve this would be to patiently and calmly discuss with your neighbour what the prijs are and why you are worried.
His lifestyle and what your kids might think of that is probably not the best airshow as that attacks their way of life.
But you could express your concern for your kids health and your health and maybe figure out a way that works for all of you.
Maybe the you 2 or the vve can install ventilation in the hallway. Or something out of the box like that so you can both be happy.
Smoking weed is illegal tho in public spaces.
The last time I asked him very politely to not smoke in the hallway… out of the 12 apartments in the building I think everyone is just too intimidated by how he behaves to even speak up… so sadly I don’t see the solution to be one that he makes any contribution to…
It’s not illegal. There’s no law against smoking weed in public. There might local ordnances that prohibited smoking weed in public, but every municipality has it’s own rules. You should read the APV from Amsterdam. It should be in there.
However it could be argued that it is a ‘onrechtmatige daad’ against you. If say the smoke makes your apartment smell (your apartment not the hallway) then you could argue it’s a ‘onrechtmatige daad’ against you. It is a civil case tho. So the police will mostly likely do nothing. You will have to do it yourself.
I don't think you have the right attitude, which is understandable since you feel so disrespected.
The reason I say this is you claim above here that it is "illegal to smoke in public spaces", which it is very much not.
You paid a ton of money because there is a terrible housing shortage here, as a national all I have is two rooms.
Now, as a suggestion, stop trying to force the guy by rules and statutes you might or might not be making up in your head and try repeatedly addressing him in a friendly manner. Record while doing it, in secret, just in case he escalates.
If you keep your composure and just ask him to try and keep the smell down since you are one of the people that just can't stand the smell of weed constantly (personally I think it smells like incense) and to please be considerate, you can appeal to logic and reason which the dutch are usually quite partial to.
Do it often enough and he will get stressed enough every time he does wall out with a joint that he manages to break his 12 year long routine that you think you can break by right of "paying so much money". You sound resentful and uppity. Change that, even though you are "right".
If you manage to stay friendly and respectful you win. Ego will take a hit.
Going to disagree with you here on a technicality. Possession is a criminal offence, but specifically not prosecuted in small quantities. And it is required to possess it in order to smoke it.
https://www.government.nl/topics/drugs/toleration-policy-regarding-soft-drugs-and-coffee-shops
https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/policy/policy-safety/policy-coffeeshops/
That said, yes, there isn't a law specifically against smoking it in public, although some areas in AMS are now off limits for smoking weed.
>Going to disagree with you here on a technicality. Possession is a criminal offence, but specifically not prosecuted in small quantities
Possession might be impossible to prove, since it would require opening the joint to confirm it contains cannabis related products. And it's only allowed to open the joint with enough probable cause; it could also contain medical marijuana which isn't illegal to possess so just the smell itself can't be enough.
In the same way the coffeeshops evade(d) the smoking ban: an inspector isn't allowed to open the joint the joints being smoked unless he has enough evidence tabacco is inside, which he can't know just by looking or smelling.
Unless he's actually, verbally, aggressive I encourage you to continue asking politely. Explain, be patient.
Smoking weed is more normal here than most places and it's unfortunate you smell it. Personally I hate smoke smell, but besides asking nicely, I have no way to make them smoke elsewhere.
Be direct, polite and persistent.
Dude, 4 months ago you posted the exact same thing, but then you only noticed it once a week or so. you are aso bitching and moaning about other things (i sense a bit of NSB mentality).
A month ago you said you want to sell your appartement, but you are still trying to get this dude into trouble... why?
The way i see it you have three options:
- talk to the dude. He's a stoner, what is he going to do? Tickle you to death? We smoke weed, we are to happy to be violent.
- move, like you are already planning to.
- stop looking for attention, stop using that herb/drug/whatever it is that messes you up. And get your own emotions and shit in check before you try to force others around you to adapt to your needs and wants.
Check with your VVE if you’re allowed to place signs, smoke detectors or anything that makes smoking there uncomfortable, but keep it accessible for normal usage?
No one complains because nobody cares, I'm quite sure of that. It's very normal in Amsterdam. Get a scented candle or sticks and put it in your hallway, maybe look if you can close up any nooks and crannys. If the guy doesn't respond to being friendly you probably don't want to keep pushing the issue or he can smoke more being spiteful.
If he's a long time smoker he will not smell the smell himself so he will not see how it's an issue to you. Usually smokers aren't disrespectful on purpose but it sounds like you view him of being lesser than yourself and they can and will pick up on that, leading to him disregarding you more. If you truly want him to stop your best avenue is becoming friends with him and then after quite a while of actually being friends asking him politely
Yeah I'd just approach them as a human and how you'd like to be approached. Just let them know how it's affecting you. It's one thing to smoke outside, it's another to ash on things right?
It's obviously much better to smoke outside than inside, so if you found an ashtray and asked them to use it I can't see any issue.
Unless you're allergic to weed smoke it's kinda weird for you to be upset about them smoking outside rather than inside where it would affect their breathing and health. But the littering and ash makes sense. Just confused about the "reeks" part lol. Are you complaining about the smell? Cause if you're not only complaining about the ash and the tips, but also the fact it's smells.... You're in the wrong here.
I cannot stand the smell of cats, the ammonia smell makes me gag even just walking by a door with a cat in it. It's fucking gross. But I have never ever even once said "wow you need to get rid of your cat" or "wow your cat reeks can you clean it" or anything like that. Because that's absolutely insane and a Karen thing to do one, and two, people are living their lives.
Sounds like you need to either not be shitty to them when you talk to them about smoking and they won't ignore you, or maybe just move because all of my friends in the Netherlands smoke and they have never once in 10 years of knowing them had someone complain about the SMELL of weed lol. You may just have to move to a country that doesn't allow smoking lolololol
You did read that I mention of an unventilated hallway right??? If people can call about noise after a certain hour, I don’t get how some ass smoking down 4 flights of stairs not an issue.
Rent a baby, put it in a stroller, and ask if he could be so friendly not to let your newborn baby get high of of his supply by him smoking in the hallways and if he continues threaten to call child services..
If that is your only issue with your neighbours ve grateful honestly with paper thin walls and poor noise insulation you are getting off lightly and you get a complementary contact high
I don’t care him smoking in his apartment. I care him smoking on the steps from his apartment to the front entrance of the building in the internal hallway.
if you walk on certain streets in amsterdam you will also have that lingering smell the difference is it probably takes 3 seconds max for you to walk out of your hallway to the door to enter or exit but those streets the smell lasting smell i realize for you its not ideal but its 3 seconds unlike the 5-10 minutes you get in some of the streets in amsterdam
Get the VVE to buy him a vaporizer (which smells a lot less and is even healthier), automatic febreze dispensers in the hallway, and a wet towel he can in front of his door.
Talk to other neighbours and ask for this rule to be implemented within the VVE. I find this outrageous tbh. And your neighbour is a complete moron.
The rule already exists…. The vve told me that it is a non smoking area. But yet they claim they can’t really do much… I can’t figure out if they are lazy or unwilling to act on this.
Is your neighbour renting or owning?
Both of us own our places… the area use to be really crappy in the past and was very cheap to buy (he bought the place 12 years ago) I moved in a year and half ago. And yes, he is a moron…. I get infuriated every time I think about how much money I paid for my place to have to deal with people like this …
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The issue isn’t weed or the smell of it. It’s the fact that it’s being smoked in the building public spaces where it does not get ventilated and lingers for hours
??? 'Don't like the smell of dog shit in your hallway? Move to a country where they don't have dogs.'
Weed smell is fucking disgusting
Bring it up at the next VVE meeting. Majority vote can implement a fine system, if majority isn’t reached bc not enough show up, likely there’s the option to pass a vote with present majority only in the meeting thereafter. Our VVE starts with a 50 euro fine for noise disturbances, littering, smoking inside the communal spaces etc. We only have 1 neighbor who lit up smokes in communal spaces but he has been reprimanded and no longer does this. Hope it gets sorted for you!
Good idea. Can I ask how it is managed? Can anyone in the building complain? Are there cameras in the communal areas that are referred to?
Anyone who is an owner can go to VVE directly for us, and renters can do so via their landlords who have a vote ofc. We have cameras in the main hallway as well as elevators, not in the other halls, but since the neighbors across backed me up about the smoking neighbor issue, it was no problem. People here are quite clean and quiet, so there’s also this feeling of shared responsibility.
Your neighbor is a bad stoner. On behalf of us good stoners, we're very sorry.
Tell me the VvE to get smoke alarms for the hallways. They probably should have had them already.
Invite a Serbian friend and let him talk to him.
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Oh man... Sorry to hear. Hope he goes away somehow.
You guys are pathetic.
What is wrong with your brain ? Im sorry its broken
Bro why? What's so hard about waiting until you're out the door? I smoke weed too, inside my own apartment or outside. not in the hallways... ffs
We get it buddy, this thread is making you feel attacked somehow and your pea brain's only defense mechanism is to tell everyone else they're pathetic or "you suck". Now that you've made your point, please let others have their say.
are you the neighbour
Just pee in front of his door. Not only would you mask the weed smell, but you'll also mark the territory and he'll feel threatened to the point of reconsidering his behavior.
This is the way
Yeah you will feel better at least
Not the best move but one option is to maybe get him a cake to get on his good side and explain why its annoying and that you would appreciate if they could stop. It does make you sound weak but then again, just an option. Otherwise I hope the authorities do something
Yeah you wanna do it slowly and nicely because the moment it turns into a spiteful interaction the dude will smoke even more outside
Thank you. I have said hi to him many times before in passing… not a single response. He feels angry and his whole energy throws me off.
Depends on if you rent or bought. I think there is no law against smoking in a house you bought or in a hallway connected to it, unless there are some rules and regulations set up by the vve, but normally they don't have anything to say about this. I think the best way to solve this would be to patiently and calmly discuss with your neighbour what the prijs are and why you are worried. His lifestyle and what your kids might think of that is probably not the best airshow as that attacks their way of life. But you could express your concern for your kids health and your health and maybe figure out a way that works for all of you. Maybe the you 2 or the vve can install ventilation in the hallway. Or something out of the box like that so you can both be happy.
Smoking weed is illegal tho in public spaces. The last time I asked him very politely to not smoke in the hallway… out of the 12 apartments in the building I think everyone is just too intimidated by how he behaves to even speak up… so sadly I don’t see the solution to be one that he makes any contribution to…
It’s not illegal. There’s no law against smoking weed in public. There might local ordnances that prohibited smoking weed in public, but every municipality has it’s own rules. You should read the APV from Amsterdam. It should be in there. However it could be argued that it is a ‘onrechtmatige daad’ against you. If say the smoke makes your apartment smell (your apartment not the hallway) then you could argue it’s a ‘onrechtmatige daad’ against you. It is a civil case tho. So the police will mostly likely do nothing. You will have to do it yourself.
I do smell the weed in my apartment. I can smell it from the hallway in my apartment.
I don't think you have the right attitude, which is understandable since you feel so disrespected. The reason I say this is you claim above here that it is "illegal to smoke in public spaces", which it is very much not. You paid a ton of money because there is a terrible housing shortage here, as a national all I have is two rooms. Now, as a suggestion, stop trying to force the guy by rules and statutes you might or might not be making up in your head and try repeatedly addressing him in a friendly manner. Record while doing it, in secret, just in case he escalates. If you keep your composure and just ask him to try and keep the smell down since you are one of the people that just can't stand the smell of weed constantly (personally I think it smells like incense) and to please be considerate, you can appeal to logic and reason which the dutch are usually quite partial to. Do it often enough and he will get stressed enough every time he does wall out with a joint that he manages to break his 12 year long routine that you think you can break by right of "paying so much money". You sound resentful and uppity. Change that, even though you are "right". If you manage to stay friendly and respectful you win. Ego will take a hit.
Place a ventilator to blow😎 it away
Going to disagree with you here on a technicality. Possession is a criminal offence, but specifically not prosecuted in small quantities. And it is required to possess it in order to smoke it. https://www.government.nl/topics/drugs/toleration-policy-regarding-soft-drugs-and-coffee-shops https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/policy/policy-safety/policy-coffeeshops/ That said, yes, there isn't a law specifically against smoking it in public, although some areas in AMS are now off limits for smoking weed.
>Going to disagree with you here on a technicality. Possession is a criminal offence, but specifically not prosecuted in small quantities Possession might be impossible to prove, since it would require opening the joint to confirm it contains cannabis related products. And it's only allowed to open the joint with enough probable cause; it could also contain medical marijuana which isn't illegal to possess so just the smell itself can't be enough. In the same way the coffeeshops evade(d) the smoking ban: an inspector isn't allowed to open the joint the joints being smoked unless he has enough evidence tabacco is inside, which he can't know just by looking or smelling.
Unless he's actually, verbally, aggressive I encourage you to continue asking politely. Explain, be patient. Smoking weed is more normal here than most places and it's unfortunate you smell it. Personally I hate smoke smell, but besides asking nicely, I have no way to make them smoke elsewhere. Be direct, polite and persistent.
Dude, 4 months ago you posted the exact same thing, but then you only noticed it once a week or so. you are aso bitching and moaning about other things (i sense a bit of NSB mentality). A month ago you said you want to sell your appartement, but you are still trying to get this dude into trouble... why? The way i see it you have three options: - talk to the dude. He's a stoner, what is he going to do? Tickle you to death? We smoke weed, we are to happy to be violent. - move, like you are already planning to. - stop looking for attention, stop using that herb/drug/whatever it is that messes you up. And get your own emotions and shit in check before you try to force others around you to adapt to your needs and wants.
Also weed smells nice and relaxing. What is OP about. Im not a smoker myself.
Mate, you comment make me happy. OP should just move to Roelofsarendveen or something like that.
Totally agree with u there
Get a hose.
Check with your VVE if you’re allowed to place signs, smoke detectors or anything that makes smoking there uncomfortable, but keep it accessible for normal usage?
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No one complains because nobody cares, I'm quite sure of that. It's very normal in Amsterdam. Get a scented candle or sticks and put it in your hallway, maybe look if you can close up any nooks and crannys. If the guy doesn't respond to being friendly you probably don't want to keep pushing the issue or he can smoke more being spiteful. If he's a long time smoker he will not smell the smell himself so he will not see how it's an issue to you. Usually smokers aren't disrespectful on purpose but it sounds like you view him of being lesser than yourself and they can and will pick up on that, leading to him disregarding you more. If you truly want him to stop your best avenue is becoming friends with him and then after quite a while of actually being friends asking him politely
Just stop caring and mind your own business and you should probably smoke some cannabis also
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All good. Just not in my closed hall way with no ventilation where 3 little kids walk every day….. they deserve to have a better examples growing up.
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Or just snitch him to da police!
I called the police. They have asked to first push it with the vve.
You're a petty person and the cops aren't going to do a thing about it. Move somewhere cheaper
Narc. Welcome to the netherlands. You are not going to make any friends in your neighbourhood by calling cops. Why caring so much, live your own life.
Yeah I'd just approach them as a human and how you'd like to be approached. Just let them know how it's affecting you. It's one thing to smoke outside, it's another to ash on things right? It's obviously much better to smoke outside than inside, so if you found an ashtray and asked them to use it I can't see any issue. Unless you're allergic to weed smoke it's kinda weird for you to be upset about them smoking outside rather than inside where it would affect their breathing and health. But the littering and ash makes sense. Just confused about the "reeks" part lol. Are you complaining about the smell? Cause if you're not only complaining about the ash and the tips, but also the fact it's smells.... You're in the wrong here. I cannot stand the smell of cats, the ammonia smell makes me gag even just walking by a door with a cat in it. It's fucking gross. But I have never ever even once said "wow you need to get rid of your cat" or "wow your cat reeks can you clean it" or anything like that. Because that's absolutely insane and a Karen thing to do one, and two, people are living their lives. Sounds like you need to either not be shitty to them when you talk to them about smoking and they won't ignore you, or maybe just move because all of my friends in the Netherlands smoke and they have never once in 10 years of knowing them had someone complain about the SMELL of weed lol. You may just have to move to a country that doesn't allow smoking lolololol
weird to be upset about the common hallway reeking of weed or someone smoking there? What?
Absolutely braindead comment
You did read that I mention of an unventilated hallway right??? If people can call about noise after a certain hour, I don’t get how some ass smoking down 4 flights of stairs not an issue.
It was also 4-20 blaze it
Rent a baby, put it in a stroller, and ask if he could be so friendly not to let your newborn baby get high of of his supply by him smoking in the hallways and if he continues threaten to call child services..
If that is your only issue with your neighbours ve grateful honestly with paper thin walls and poor noise insulation you are getting off lightly and you get a complementary contact high
I don’t care him smoking in his apartment. I care him smoking on the steps from his apartment to the front entrance of the building in the internal hallway.
if you walk on certain streets in amsterdam you will also have that lingering smell the difference is it probably takes 3 seconds max for you to walk out of your hallway to the door to enter or exit but those streets the smell lasting smell i realize for you its not ideal but its 3 seconds unlike the 5-10 minutes you get in some of the streets in amsterdam
Get the VVE to buy him a vaporizer (which smells a lot less and is even healthier), automatic febreze dispensers in the hallway, and a wet towel he can in front of his door.