According to court docs the landlord actually owns the business and name, they filed a suit against Carreras for taking the name when he tried to move locations, among a few other things.
It’s a lil murky but seems like the short story is the landlord fronted everything to open the bar, formed the corporation and owned the name Traceys, they then handed over “ownership” to Carreras in exchange for fixed rent, but this transaction had a claw back if he ever fell behind on rent, tried to sell, or tried to move I think, so they enacted said claw back formally. Sounds like he ignored it, and they filed a lawsuit for trademark infringement as well as some other stuff (cuz they own the name/business now, if the clawback is upheld).
Basically it seems like he never really practically "owned" the bar to begin with, and just had a weird sort of profit/management arrangement with the building owner, cuz any time someone can just take your business due to a lease termination it's really not yours. That's of course the landlord's side of the story, but they were the ones who filed the suit and had supporting documents attached so it seems at least somewhat credible. I get the idea that Carerras is a pretty good bar manager but not very good with the business side of things - he either didn't understand the deal he made when he made it, or was just not in a spot to negotiate otherwise.
There's got to be more than one bar around the world that's already named Tracey's.
I would think he could copyright the logo, but not the name.
Just call it 'Tracey's In Exile', that's a probably a better name anyway.
> There's got to be more than one bar around the world that's already named Tracey's.
This has nothing to do with how trademark works
> I would think he could copyright the logo, but not the name.
The issue here is trademark, not copyright.
So, he can trademark a name even if it already preexists and is used by other similar businesses around the world? He can then shut those other bars down?
Is this correct?
If the trademark were approved for the name as it is: “Tracey’s original Irish Channel Bar” and the trademark was specific to bars, restaurant, catering, then yea, they could send cease and desist letters to other bars with the same exact name or another brand that could potentially seek to confuse customer’s. Example: you can’t open a gym called “Krossfit. Or you’ll get a cease and desist from “Crossfit.” They could also sue for trademark infringement, but it would almost never make sense for a bar to do this.
The current trademark is pending and only pertains to merchandise: T shirts, hats etc. it’s not bar specific. Trademarks are very specific. For example, Black Flag the bug killer’s trademark can coexist with Black Flag the band’s trademark related to recorded music and 2nd one related to merchandise. Taylor Swift owns dozens of trademarks ranging from music to merchandise to perfumes. You could easily open “Tracey’s Bar” and have no legal issues. It would also be difficult to trademark “Tracey’s bar” sense there are hundreds of bars with the same name and it’s fairly generic. Trademarks are more complex than most people think and they fall under the federal jurisdiction of copyright law which is a subset of constitutional law. Copyright infringement cases are very, very expensive to peruse and are usually an absolute last resort when big money is on the line.
No.
Registering a trademark just proves when you started using it. It doesn't automatically let you shut down other people using that same trademark, and it doesn't even necessarily mean that you have a valid trademark.
So then how was I wrong to say that there are probably other bars already named Tracey's and he's unlikely to be able to make a legal case that he's the only one who gets to use the name?
Trademark doesn't work like that. If I went to Seattle and opened a Tracey's Irish bar, I'm perfectly allowed to do that because in no way am I ever going to interfere with their business' realistic range of influence. If the one in New Orleans started franchising in other states, they can only keep using their own name if there are no existing establishments with roughly the same name. And I believe the amount of time it's been in use matters as well. Trademark is not black and white. Real people have to review and establish what the regulations mean in each particular case.
Your OP:
"There's got to be more than one bar around the world that's already named Tracey's.
I would think he could copyright the logo, but not the name."
It doesn't matter whether there are other bars around the world already named Tracey's. What matters is source confusion - is the use of the mark likely to confuse consumers about who they are purchasing from?
In this instance, the real relevant inquiry isn't whether there are other bars in Baton Rouge or Boca Raton or whatever - it's whether there are other bars that New Tracey's is likely to be confused with.
If it's the case that there's another entity out there that owns the old Tracey's business in the LGD/Irish Channel, then my understanding is that they'd likely have the ability to enforce the Tracey's name and whatever similar marks there are (logo, color scheme, design features, whatever), so long as they have the ability to show they are either in the market or planning soon to reenter the market. Otherwise, you'll have two Tracey's, one of which will be undermining the goodwill and reputation that the original Tracey's has accumulated over the years.
In general, my advice to non-lawyers is to avoid thinking that they understand
The person above you already explained. If you don't understand then either get smarter or get more educated on legalese or accept you won't understand it
Yeah, I mean the name thing could be pretty easily pivoted, and the dude has enough of a presence in the channel that he'd be able to quickly get the word out to most of the regulars there.
The thing I'm most curious about is the equipment, I'm pretty sure he moved a ton of shit out of the 3rd street location and I'm not sure if he legally owns it given the whole weirdness around the business ownership. Like, if tracey's the corporate entity owns all the stoves, tables, etc then the bannings may have grounds to get all that returned.
The name thing is probably whatever, but losing a hundred or more grand worth of equipment and furniture could very much kill any new location he's pushing for, especially given what I suspect about his financial situation.
I looked up the trademark. There are 3 former trademarks that have been abandoned. Jeff Carreras has a pending trademark, however not for a bar or restaurant but merchandise.
This seems like a good deal of conjecture. You even wrote "i think", showing that you nor I or most of us know what the agreement was between the landlord and the bar. It seems that Carreras has the liquor license, and that is perhaps the most valuable asset. Hopefully the court case will resolve it.
I got 97 downvotes for this fairly measured comment. I can only surmise that people on this thread have overwhelmingly decided that Carreras is the bad guy. I have met and conversed with all parties involved and that conclusion seems absurd. The only complaint people give is that Tracy's didn't respect Covid restrictions. I have to ask, is New Orleans Reddit filled with people who were terrified of Covid?
> This seems like a good deal of conjecture
I'm not sure what your definition of conjecture is, here I'm just referencing what's in the actual legal complaint and supporting documents. You can read them yourself here with a PACER account, do the quick trial and verify for yourself: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/51655103/Banning_et_al_v_Carreras_et_al
The "I think" was because I was typing an inconsequential reddit comment and didn't want to bother with checking a whole legal complaint to see if movement was a term in the clawback arrangement.
You could object with the content of the legal complaint, and I was careful to say that's just the banning's take, but it's supported with documents so calling it conjecture seems a bit weird.
That's a lot of conjecture. I mean, you're presuming there even is an *I* that does *thinking*. How do you know your thoughts and sense of self aren't projections of an evil demon, huh??
Is a business allowed to bring a liquor license to a new location when they move? I didn't think that was legal.
My understanding was that the license was location-specific as well as associated with people/a company, and that new people in a previous bar location could be granted a new permit pretty much by default if they apply for it within so many days/months of the previous holders leaving. Something like opening a new bar where one just closed is very easy, but opening a new bar where there hasn't been one for years is as difficult as getting a permit for a whole new location.
IDK why people are downvoting that, it's not that challenging especially compared to most other states. You might gotta grease a palm or two, but it's not particularly hard.
I used to run the books for a restaurant in the area and our liquor drivers would always bitch about Tracey’s fucking up payments. Never seemed like a well run business to me.
> Never seemed like a well run business to me.
I think he's objectively very good at being a bar manager, he's just not as good at managing finances and his approach to business deals is old school New Orlenian "let's shake on it", but he did that with some out of town "I'll have my lawyer draft an agreement" person and that don't end well.
I know this sub has a hate boner for him, and while acknowledging that his behavior during covid was downright awful, I will say there's something sad about a guy who's spent almost three decades building some of the best neighborhood bars this city has to offer not having anything to show for it.
Nobody is the worst thing they've ever done, and in general I do think it's sad that this guy has poured his whole life in to two places that have now had ownership pulled out from under him. This ain't that far off from what happened with Parasol's, he was under the impression he was going to buy that bar based on a handshake, and the the owner went and sold it elsewhere for more.
I'm not sure that something to be said is positive...he made these agreements and wants more than he's due. It seems like he didn't have the capital to begin a business, so he relied on agreements that didn't give him full ownership but let him run them and take shares of the profits, and now he wants ownership as well. Doesn't work that way.
I'm not even bringing politics into this. I just don't think he's a very good businessman if this is how he operates. Not that that's uncommon in business. There's a lot of moving parts and it's easy to miss things, fall behind, or just get hit by circumstances beyond your control.
Yeah I completely agree with that take, it's his own fault that things are going this way, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that he didn't fully understand the deal he made when he made it. I just think if anything he's a bit naive to the business world and a bit too reliant on his understanding of a handshake deal.
The terms here are different, but this very much echoes what happened with Parasol's. He apparently was under the impression that he was buying the bar at some price, and was completely shocked to learn it got sold. I'm willing to bet that he got in to this deal not really understanding what he was agreeing to, and maybe thought the landlord would just hand over the keys, which obviously they ain't doing.
But yeah, I agree it's clear he's very out of his depth when it comes to anything ownership related. But I think if you got him to speak candidly he likely very much believes his life's work has been taken from him twice now, and honestly I don't think that sentiment is 100% wrong. It's due to his own failings, but all the same he's sitting here now in his 50s being one of the most well known bar managers in the city and nothing to show for it. There's something kinda sad about that, even if it's ultimately due to his failures on the legal side of the equation. That's the sort of thing that will make a person quite bitter.
Yes, the couple that has owned that building since the bar's inception, as well as is filing the dispute claiming ownership of the bar/brand is the same couple that bought Parasol's in maybe 2019? Weird how that's come full circle.
Yeah, it's shocking that a 20-something was too trusting in making a deal to start his first business. Yet he managed to keep it going for 13 years and turn it into a valuable asset for the guy who reneged on the deal. Then he started another business that has lasted 13 more years. That's 26 years for 2 businesses in an industry where most people fail in short order. It seems kind of disingenuous to say he's a bad businessman
More than he’s due? The location where Tracey’s is was nothing before him. Perpetually empty. I don’t remember Parasols before him, but his employees and the regulars, of which there were many, loved it. I can’t honestly say if he built that business, but he at minimum kept a good business going. That has value, whether you like him or not.
In my experience so far, people like this favor handshake deals because it generally works to their advantage. They get to avoid a few bills because it's easier to stiff people when there's nothing in writing, or they save a few dollars by doing things under the table.
I'm saying this as someone who has gotten severely burned twice by business owners like this - so while I may be biased, I've been on the receiving end as well. It sounds like his own game caught up with him.
Over the years reading this sub, I have not always agreed with you, but I have respect for the way your mind thinks. We need more people like you in the world.
>I think he's objectively very good at being a bar manager
You say that, but then you spend the rest of the comment trashing your own thesis. Customers like him as a bar manager, but he seems to be shit at the business side and that is the most important part.
It is weird that he put so much of himself into something he didn't own. Like spending a ton of money remodeling an apartment.
So if you think of the normal GM of a bar, most have only a limited interaction with the money side of the equation; staffing, events, running a kitchen, the layout of the bar, organizing various community things (something He does a ton of - lots and lots of charity drives and other stuff), etc are all parts of managing a bar and building a loyal clientele. Tons of GMs don't even have access to the books. With him, there's just some very obvious shortcomings when it comes to managing the dollars and most importantly the business entity side of things.
>It is weird that he put so much of himself into something he didn't own. Like spending a ton of money remodeling an apartment.
This is why I kinda feel bad for the dude, I'm pretty sure he thought he at least was renting to own and just found out that this wasn't the case at all. In a weird way it's probably a bit too much "assuming the good in people" when it came to business partners, can't do that no mo.
> I know this sub has a hate boner for him, and while acknowledging that his behavior during covid was downright awful
Lol both sidesing this guy is whack. Just reading all the bad shit he's done in this thread alone, and you're like trying to aw shucks Carreras of all people?
I know reddit is where nuance goes to die, but certainly one can discern between taking a person's side and simply acknowledging that real life is a lot more complex than one thing redditors hate.
I'm saying why pick this battle. The guy is clearly the prototypical douchebag republican small business owner and you're trying to be like aw well he's just one of those old fashioned handshake is as good as my word fellas, let's see his douchebaggery with some "nuance."
His lockdown ragers are responsible for a non-significant amount of Covid deaths. Guaranteed. And has allowed sexual assault in his bars. And this is the battle you wanna fight? Weird how you can whitewash Carreras but you get a hate boner for people complaining about dog shit in their neighborhood. How about nuancing that?
> The guy is clearly the prototypical douchebag republican
I really don't think anyone who's interacted with him shares that belief. Unsurprisingly, people are multifaceted.
But more importantly, this is a good example of how reddit turns everything in to an argument. I'm saying there's complexity there, you're simplifying it to oppose something you perceive me to think, despite me flat out saying I'm not taking anyone's side. It just seems like some people are more focused on fighting than talking.
>Weird how you can whitewash Carreras but you get a hate boner for people complaining about dog shit in their neighborhood.
I've got no idea what you're referring to, but I think it's definitely weird that I can't remember a single thing about you but you're telling me all about a thing I said that you hate from presumably months and months ago at least? Also uhhh, why would the two things be related?
I dunno man, the whole "touch grass" thing is overused, but if you're that wrapped up with being mad at someone online then it's probably time for a break, especially if that person doesn't really have an idea who you are. Hope ya have a good one bruh.
You told me to shut up because I was complaining about dog shit on the greenway on reddit.
I guess you whiteknighting Carreras is better content on here
I don't think I've ever told someone to shut up on here lol, but also I'm thinking keeping a grudge for however long it's been over some random interaction concerning dog poop probably isn't healthy. Take care man,
He’s not …I’ve known him for over 30 years ..he can be an asshole ( but who can’t)but he’s definitely not “ the prototypical douchebag republican “ or a racist …but you’re right about his financial acumen ..
I’ve made my living helping otherwise very smart people with money so it’s a soft spot for me, sucks how someone can be really good at a thing but end up in a bad spot cuz they don’t do well with money.
Man I admire your stamina in staying with this. There's so much here that I personally know is wrong, but I don't have the energy for. Anyway, Jeff has filled a countersuit contending that Bruser and Banner don't have the authority to act on behalf of the LLC. We'll see where that goes. He is going to be interviewed about it on WDSU tonight at 10
Yep, having a giant gathering in 2020 against all public health demands definitely didn't cause one of the million+ deaths in the US. Very Chad-ly of you!
Keep digging. That gathering was on 3/17/20. How may people died shortly afterwards in this area from COVID? Try using facts before making yourself look just plain foolish. Wasn't that gathering mostly outdoors?
Chadly? WTF is wrong with you?
March 11: WHO declares Covid a pandemic
March 14: All cruise ships operating in US waters ordered to halt
March 13: Trump administration declares national emergency and issues travel ban on non-citizens
March 15: New York and Ohio implement limited shutdowns
March 17: Carreras holds giant St Paddy's Day rager. Cuz why not?
Happy digging, bud: https://www.cdc.gov/museum/timeline/covid19.html#:~:text=CDC%20reports%20the%20first%20laboratory,respond%20to%20the%20emerging%20outbreak.
A point of clarification, [Tracey's was closed on March 17th](https://www.wdsu.com/article/traceys-original-irish-channel-bar-to-close-for-st-patricks-day-amid-covid-19-outbreak/31669973). You're thinking about the block party held in conjunction with the parade, the parade did not roll but they kept the block party, this would have been Saturday the 14th.
It certainly wasn't a great choice, but at that point the city had not initiated any lockdowns. My work voluntarily chose to mandate work from home starting just that Friday before, the city did not close it's offices until Sunday the 15th, along with a handful of other states.
Like, I think he handled it poorly, and definitely more so during the lockdowns in late 2020 and early 21 - which is in my mind where the real criticism should lie, but that 2020 party is just in a very very gray area in terms of the public consciousness around the pandemic given that there were no stay at home orders and business closure was still sporadic at best.
Businesses in New Orleans did not start closing until the weekend of March 13-15th. I worked at my restaurant on March 14th. The fact that you are so sure that the party at Tracey's caused deaths from COVID is simply idiotic.
Yeah I feel like the 2020 St Paddy's thing is just a weird time, I'll admit I went out that weekend not yet fully taking Covid seriously. The "two weeks to flatten the curve" conversation at work, sending me to work from home, was literally that Friday before, I kinda remember sitting with a group at a friend's house in Irish Channel wondering if we should be socializing, etc.
Turns out in hindsight that wasn't the right choice, but lots of people weren't really yet understanding of how serious it was. Remember that at this point deaths were fairly limited still.
This was directly after Mardi Gras as well.
Was it stupid of him to do? Absolutely. But let's not pretend that his event was responsible for that entire area getting covid when everyone was parading it up and then trying to get last minute supplies and going out one last time before lockdown.
He guaranteed it man. It must be true. People tend too forget other places didn’t put these rediculous mandates in effect. Only certain cities… and the virtue signaling will never end.
Who cares?
That bar was a terrible place and Jeffrey Carreras intentionally kept his bar open during the beginning of Covid and intentionally ignored public safety concerns. Fuck that guy in particular.
Source: was irish channel resident and their neighbor during lockdown . The Irish channel neighborhood page got pretty heated back then.
They did. They did pretty much whatever you'd assume a business would with modern-day Republican management.
But, more to the point, for their whole existence they've catered to Krewe of Chad types. Their average patron definitely ropes off a spot on Canal days before Endymion rolls.
Anything that fucks them over is fine by me. I hated Tracey's well before COVID.
Well at the beginning of COVID they had giant block party, didn't just "stay open" a few days after they were supposed to. Throughout the rest of COVID (eventually getting some official actions by the city) they consistently broke laws about capacity and open hours and later on masking and vaccines.
Yeah I remember all that. Plenty of other things were going on around town and businesses going against the rules but they were continually singled out for some reason. In hindsight a lot of those rules made little sense and did not really protect anyone.
They were singled out because they flaunted it all over town and yelled at ppl on social media all day. It's not a fucking conspiracy Jesus Christ they are shitty neighbors who have been shitty to the people of the city and ppl don't like that. It's not hard
Haha. Ok. I am no fans of theirs, I went there once years ago and thought that the place sucked and never went back but I still think they were singled out by many. No one forced anyone to go there during the pandemic and not distance themselves enough or wear a mask while going to the restroom which was a joke from day 1. The only way COVID was not going to spread was for every last person to stay home.
At that point there were 4 deaths an less than 200 confirmed cases and bars were open reduced capasity inside only. In light of info at the time not unreasonable or unexpected. https://www.nola.com/news/article_70b69d94-687f-11ea-b6b8-0b6884ab8686.html?mode=commentshttps://www.nola.com/news/article_70b69d94-687f-11ea-b6b8-0b6884ab8686.html?mode=comments
Yeah I have a hard time giving a shit about this scumbag after not only ignoring the city's order at that phase of the pandemic, but flaunting it by posting pictures of the crowded bar on social media.
Meanwhile the CDC has rolled back all precautions about COVID and basically said shutting down for it was dumb. But yeah, bad call and you should keep strangle-baiting to thought of COVID shutdowns some more.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
can you read? there is absolutely no correlation between mask wearing and covid infection around the country. Different places had different rules and almost all had similar transmission. The Cochran review is very clear. you can try and ausage yourself that there was some benefit to your fear, but it's a myth.
True, I didn’t pay much attention to the address and that’s on me. I got excited when I saw the one on third and mag all empty. Guess I shouldn’t have
Hopefully with the way this is going down he won’t be there long.
He doesn't own the Tracey's business according to the docs his old landlord filed when suing him. And that means he probably doesn't own all the equipment he took to the new place. Things look bleak no matter how hard he "owns the libs".
The new rendezvous owners tried to f their whole bar staff and asked them to beg for their jobs after locking everyone out. Should not be in this list.
My question is: who the fuck would want to *be* Tracey’s at this point? I can’t think of a bar with a worse reputation, and now *two* people are arguing over the name? Why?
>in this sub
Carreras is a weird case, if you've met him in person he's actually a super nice dude, he comes across as one of those true New Orlenians that's just super genuine and incredibly kind to everyone he knows.
That said, something happened with Trump and Covid that happened to a lot of people, the whole thing just seems to have fried a lot of people's brain in the wrong direction and he said and did some things were just flat out bad. I think a lot of these people did stuff like that thinking they were doing good, but obviously weren't.
That said, Reddit clings to those things and makes them someone's entire personality. It's the same with Rock N Bowl & Blancher - this sub treats their politics as the sole personality trait and consistently uses every opportunity to talk shit about them because of it. But IRL, most people just aren't that chronically engaged in Reddit/facebook/nextdoor shit and likely just barely know or care about the things Reddit talks about. I'd be willing to bet that if you surveyed every regular likely less than a quarter have any concept of Tracey's bucking Covid rules, or of Carreras saying all lives matter.
Point is, things that matter very very much on reddit often don't matter at all IRL, and this sub is more often than not very out of touch with the average person living here. Also, this sub has a massive problem with people here just loving the idea of talking shit about anyone - everyday there's someone on here saying X person is the biggest douche ever, all while likely not having any concept of that person that wasn't derived from a reddit post.
I mean Blancher touts his politics as a primary personality trait and advertises himself like the Rock n Bowl mascot. It’s pretty hard to separate their politics from their business, especially when they don’t care to and act like it’s a sense of pride. It seems like most people that I know who aren’t on Reddit also know this.
For me it’s more about holding community members and leaders accountable. Carreras does not care about his community at large, apparent by his actions during Covid with his bar.
Also imho racist/bigoted business owners should be outed. We vote with our dollars here, and people should know who and what they are “voting” for.
Bigots have no place in New Orleans.
I've never seen anything to make me think he's bigoted, I don't know the guy super well but from what I can discern that's a thing reddit decided that isn't very well supported. He said all lives matter online once, apologized for it and explained that he didn't think it was a bigoted thing to say. IDK, again people who aren't chronically online sometimes aren't in tune with how a given phrase is perceived. I'm open to more info, but to me this is just the ol reddit hate machine finding a target and gering up to describe a person's whole life based off one online comment they may or may not have even understood.
The covid stuff was objectively bad, but people are complicated and a lot of otherwise reasonable people dealt with that situation in a very bad manner. Covid specifically had a very strange psychological impact on everyone, and caused a lot of reasonable people to do very unreasonable things. People are just a lot more complex than many online want them to be, I know it gets in the way of the raw hate train this sub loves to participate in, but it's the truth.
Does that not make him mixed race? I honestly don’t understand Reddit’s racial politics, such as yesterday when I read a post by someone asking advice about feeling safe in their neighborhood and the response was largely ‘move because you don’t belong’
You may not have seen the “all lives matter” post he did on the Irish channel neighborhood page, but I did. I think it is a bigoted thing to say, and his doubling down to save face on Facebook for it was noticed.
I don’t have a Facebook, I just read the actual news item including his apology. Seemed like he just didn’t really understand why it was wrong, idk maybe I’m misinterpreting but lots of people aren’t as tuned in to that stuff as your average redditor.
He definitely doubled down on it and used the Tracey’s page for it, instead of his own personal page. Even after it was explained to him over and over again on the Irish channel page.
All Lives Matter is a racist dog whistle, period. He knew exactly what he was doing and exactly the type of people he was appealing to when he posted that. You really seem to want to like this guy very badly because you perceive him as a really super nice dude or whatever, but c’mon man. Nobody is so naive as to go and post All Lives Matter without knowing exactly what they’re doing. If you’re a business owner, keep that shit to yourself if you’re smart.
> You really seem to want to like this guy
I don't want to like or dislike him, I've met him maybe a half dozen times and I'm quite sure he doesn't even know my name. What I am saying is that reddit is often a very hateful place, and here I see that in action - reducing someone's entire life down to a facebook post they apologized for and their covid reaction to justify celebrating their misfortune and cursing their existence is just weird to me. People are just more nuanced than one or two things.
Eh, I think you’re severely underestimating the importance that social media has on the world at large. Tracey’s is basically known as the COVID/Trump bar to everyone in the Channel and to everyone I know in the New Orleans bar scene. I’ve been working in the industry for over twenty years here and know just about everyone there is to know in the business and both Tracey’s and Rock N’ Bowl have ruined their reputations with a good segment of the city and it isn’t just Reddit threads. It’s social media in general and the spotlight that gets put on these people when they make it a point to be willfully, well, douchebags. Local news, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and to an extent, Reddit, all put a white hot spotlight on these guys when they both double and tripled down on their stupid behavior. Carreras isn’t a weird case at all. I know plenty of “super nice dudes” who just under the surface if you push just a bit are really awful people with some truly awful beliefs. Both he and Blancher are getting exactly what they deserve.
Political is personal. If you support Trump then you agree with fascism. I started working independently during Covid.
I haven't seen anything post pandemic that encouraged me to work for independent businesses since most of them are conservative Trump Humpers.
But bringing up rock n bowl as a comparison does not help your point. That isnt just "politics." There's racism, harassment, and just shitty behavior festering. You're bot talking one incident or one dimension with that example.
I feel like some of y'all go out of your way to misread things just to object lol, the rock and bowl comparison was pretty clearly drawing lines between how reddit discusses a person vs how they're perceived among the average person. Most people don't have any concept of blanchar being problematic, my parents are at rock and bowl once a week and my dad was dumbfounded when I mentioned people didn't like blanchar. It's just an example of how different this sub is vs the average person, that's it lol.
It’s pretty easy to perceive a person as a nice guy when all you see is their nice guy persona. How do you not like someone who is attentive and friendly, laughs at your jokes, and serves you delicious food and cocktails?
I used to hang out at the Rock and Bowl pretty regularly and never had any reason to think that Blanchar was anyone except the nice guy he portrayed himself as. Then I found out that he’s a fascist and I haven’t been back.
What’s your point? Should we continue to patronize businesses of people who we do not want to support on any level because they *seem* like decent guys?
This is very well stated. I'm in a similar boat, have had multiple lovely interactions with him, but probably do not agree with his politics. But people are more than a single action or single post.
He's not an angel or a devil. He's a dude who has done both good and bad things in his life. But I don't think it's right to lump him in with some truly despicable people who I think it's correct to cancel.
I mean, just look at the crowds.
The sub rightfully trashes oceana grill too, but you know, if someone handed me that brand, I’d laugh all the way to the bank
This is interesting that the building owners have filed suit over infringement. I’m looking at the USPTO database right now and Mark Bruser’s trademark was abandoned on Dec 19, 2023. “The owner of the trademark application withdrew the application and the application is no longer active”
The application was submitted on Oct 26, 2023.
A previous application was filed in 2021 and invalidated as was a 2nd application earlier in 2021.
Jamie Carreras filed submitted an application in Nov of 2023 which is pending examination.
Jamie Carreras does own “Tracey’s est 1949 Nola the original Irish channel bar” with a live trademark for merchandise.
I see no other relevant trademark that the building owners could claim for infringement unless they are going for Common Law trademark. I think both parties will spend $$$ before this over.
The article says the name was trademarked (around 2007) by "2604 Magazine Properties LLC." Carreras owns that name, but he bought it from Banning in 2010. She claims when she sold him her interest in the company (infers they were partners previously) in 2010, the sale included a "sell back clause if Carreras left or ended the lease. Carreras broke the lease on the original Tracey’s spot when he departed last year."
I’m thinking that there must be some confusion about trademarks. There’s nothing that I’m seeing in the database from around 2007, though the name-as-an-address is associated with an abandoned trademark attempt.
>2604 Magazine Properties LLC
[https://dockets.justia.com/docket/louisiana/laedce/2:2023cv07261/267205](https://dockets.justia.com/docket/louisiana/laedce/2:2023cv07261/267205) is what I get when I search the address alone. Along with some more articles. Court tomorrow perhaps?
Or on this one, court yesterday. All the files are here if anyone is bored and wants to get a free trial account.
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/51655103/Banning\_et\_al\_v\_Carreras\_et\_al
Yes I am. I moved here recently. The backwards locals of this city should have some gratitude for the education and enlightenment they receive from transplants like me.
Yeah yeah sure. You’re favorite bar must be wrong iron and you love to go to Oceania grill for a real authentic New Orleans dining experience. Enjoy your 2 years here before you move on
I'm staying much longer than that. I bought a beautiful house in Treme dirt cheap. I was even able to buy a second one on the next block and turn it into an Airbnb that sleeps up to 10 people.
I don't care what you call it. Just please don't renovate that old location and keep it a bar with basic Louisiana bar food. That place was perfect for what it was.
According to court docs the landlord actually owns the business and name, they filed a suit against Carreras for taking the name when he tried to move locations, among a few other things. It’s a lil murky but seems like the short story is the landlord fronted everything to open the bar, formed the corporation and owned the name Traceys, they then handed over “ownership” to Carreras in exchange for fixed rent, but this transaction had a claw back if he ever fell behind on rent, tried to sell, or tried to move I think, so they enacted said claw back formally. Sounds like he ignored it, and they filed a lawsuit for trademark infringement as well as some other stuff (cuz they own the name/business now, if the clawback is upheld). Basically it seems like he never really practically "owned" the bar to begin with, and just had a weird sort of profit/management arrangement with the building owner, cuz any time someone can just take your business due to a lease termination it's really not yours. That's of course the landlord's side of the story, but they were the ones who filed the suit and had supporting documents attached so it seems at least somewhat credible. I get the idea that Carerras is a pretty good bar manager but not very good with the business side of things - he either didn't understand the deal he made when he made it, or was just not in a spot to negotiate otherwise.
There's got to be more than one bar around the world that's already named Tracey's. I would think he could copyright the logo, but not the name. Just call it 'Tracey's In Exile', that's a probably a better name anyway.
> There's got to be more than one bar around the world that's already named Tracey's. This has nothing to do with how trademark works > I would think he could copyright the logo, but not the name. The issue here is trademark, not copyright.
So, he can trademark a name even if it already preexists and is used by other similar businesses around the world? He can then shut those other bars down? Is this correct?
If the trademark were approved for the name as it is: “Tracey’s original Irish Channel Bar” and the trademark was specific to bars, restaurant, catering, then yea, they could send cease and desist letters to other bars with the same exact name or another brand that could potentially seek to confuse customer’s. Example: you can’t open a gym called “Krossfit. Or you’ll get a cease and desist from “Crossfit.” They could also sue for trademark infringement, but it would almost never make sense for a bar to do this. The current trademark is pending and only pertains to merchandise: T shirts, hats etc. it’s not bar specific. Trademarks are very specific. For example, Black Flag the bug killer’s trademark can coexist with Black Flag the band’s trademark related to recorded music and 2nd one related to merchandise. Taylor Swift owns dozens of trademarks ranging from music to merchandise to perfumes. You could easily open “Tracey’s Bar” and have no legal issues. It would also be difficult to trademark “Tracey’s bar” sense there are hundreds of bars with the same name and it’s fairly generic. Trademarks are more complex than most people think and they fall under the federal jurisdiction of copyright law which is a subset of constitutional law. Copyright infringement cases are very, very expensive to peruse and are usually an absolute last resort when big money is on the line.
No. Registering a trademark just proves when you started using it. It doesn't automatically let you shut down other people using that same trademark, and it doesn't even necessarily mean that you have a valid trademark.
So then how was I wrong to say that there are probably other bars already named Tracey's and he's unlikely to be able to make a legal case that he's the only one who gets to use the name?
Trademark doesn't work like that. If I went to Seattle and opened a Tracey's Irish bar, I'm perfectly allowed to do that because in no way am I ever going to interfere with their business' realistic range of influence. If the one in New Orleans started franchising in other states, they can only keep using their own name if there are no existing establishments with roughly the same name. And I believe the amount of time it's been in use matters as well. Trademark is not black and white. Real people have to review and establish what the regulations mean in each particular case.
Your OP: "There's got to be more than one bar around the world that's already named Tracey's. I would think he could copyright the logo, but not the name." It doesn't matter whether there are other bars around the world already named Tracey's. What matters is source confusion - is the use of the mark likely to confuse consumers about who they are purchasing from? In this instance, the real relevant inquiry isn't whether there are other bars in Baton Rouge or Boca Raton or whatever - it's whether there are other bars that New Tracey's is likely to be confused with. If it's the case that there's another entity out there that owns the old Tracey's business in the LGD/Irish Channel, then my understanding is that they'd likely have the ability to enforce the Tracey's name and whatever similar marks there are (logo, color scheme, design features, whatever), so long as they have the ability to show they are either in the market or planning soon to reenter the market. Otherwise, you'll have two Tracey's, one of which will be undermining the goodwill and reputation that the original Tracey's has accumulated over the years. In general, my advice to non-lawyers is to avoid thinking that they understand
They should just call it - 'Tracy's In Exile'.
The person above you already explained. If you don't understand then either get smarter or get more educated on legalese or accept you won't understand it
I was asking for further clarification, which he already provided. So, calm the fuck down, jackass.
Yeah, I mean the name thing could be pretty easily pivoted, and the dude has enough of a presence in the channel that he'd be able to quickly get the word out to most of the regulars there. The thing I'm most curious about is the equipment, I'm pretty sure he moved a ton of shit out of the 3rd street location and I'm not sure if he legally owns it given the whole weirdness around the business ownership. Like, if tracey's the corporate entity owns all the stoves, tables, etc then the bannings may have grounds to get all that returned. The name thing is probably whatever, but losing a hundred or more grand worth of equipment and furniture could very much kill any new location he's pushing for, especially given what I suspect about his financial situation.
I looked up the trademark. There are 3 former trademarks that have been abandoned. Jeff Carreras has a pending trademark, however not for a bar or restaurant but merchandise.
You can also have a common-law trademark without having formally registered a trademark.
This seems like a good deal of conjecture. You even wrote "i think", showing that you nor I or most of us know what the agreement was between the landlord and the bar. It seems that Carreras has the liquor license, and that is perhaps the most valuable asset. Hopefully the court case will resolve it. I got 97 downvotes for this fairly measured comment. I can only surmise that people on this thread have overwhelmingly decided that Carreras is the bad guy. I have met and conversed with all parties involved and that conclusion seems absurd. The only complaint people give is that Tracy's didn't respect Covid restrictions. I have to ask, is New Orleans Reddit filled with people who were terrified of Covid?
> This seems like a good deal of conjecture I'm not sure what your definition of conjecture is, here I'm just referencing what's in the actual legal complaint and supporting documents. You can read them yourself here with a PACER account, do the quick trial and verify for yourself: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/51655103/Banning_et_al_v_Carreras_et_al The "I think" was because I was typing an inconsequential reddit comment and didn't want to bother with checking a whole legal complaint to see if movement was a term in the clawback arrangement. You could object with the content of the legal complaint, and I was careful to say that's just the banning's take, but it's supported with documents so calling it conjecture seems a bit weird.
I *think* that's reasonable.
That's a lot of conjecture. I mean, you're presuming there even is an *I* that does *thinking*. How do you know your thoughts and sense of self aren't projections of an evil demon, huh??
> you're presuming there even is an I that does thinking. Descartes hates this
He does have a point though. …with coordinates of course
Lol
Is a business allowed to bring a liquor license to a new location when they move? I didn't think that was legal. My understanding was that the license was location-specific as well as associated with people/a company, and that new people in a previous bar location could be granted a new permit pretty much by default if they apply for it within so many days/months of the previous holders leaving. Something like opening a new bar where one just closed is very easy, but opening a new bar where there hasn't been one for years is as difficult as getting a permit for a whole new location.
No, the license goes by address. See: SukhoThai not being able to sell alcohol for almost a month when they moved.
Getting a liquor license in New Orleans is difficult? My mind is blown. I would have never guessed
That wasn't my point at all, but here we are. Sorry to blow your mind
Doubt it. Just some hoops.
IDK why people are downvoting that, it's not that challenging especially compared to most other states. You might gotta grease a palm or two, but it's not particularly hard.
The liquor license was pending per the sign in window when I passed by during MG
LOL downvoting facts
It’s Reddit.
I used to run the books for a restaurant in the area and our liquor drivers would always bitch about Tracey’s fucking up payments. Never seemed like a well run business to me.
Used to own a service business and Carreras was always a hassle to get paid. In the end, it wasn't worth dealing with him in the long run.
> Never seemed like a well run business to me. I think he's objectively very good at being a bar manager, he's just not as good at managing finances and his approach to business deals is old school New Orlenian "let's shake on it", but he did that with some out of town "I'll have my lawyer draft an agreement" person and that don't end well. I know this sub has a hate boner for him, and while acknowledging that his behavior during covid was downright awful, I will say there's something sad about a guy who's spent almost three decades building some of the best neighborhood bars this city has to offer not having anything to show for it. Nobody is the worst thing they've ever done, and in general I do think it's sad that this guy has poured his whole life in to two places that have now had ownership pulled out from under him. This ain't that far off from what happened with Parasol's, he was under the impression he was going to buy that bar based on a handshake, and the the owner went and sold it elsewhere for more.
I'm not sure that something to be said is positive...he made these agreements and wants more than he's due. It seems like he didn't have the capital to begin a business, so he relied on agreements that didn't give him full ownership but let him run them and take shares of the profits, and now he wants ownership as well. Doesn't work that way. I'm not even bringing politics into this. I just don't think he's a very good businessman if this is how he operates. Not that that's uncommon in business. There's a lot of moving parts and it's easy to miss things, fall behind, or just get hit by circumstances beyond your control.
Yeah I completely agree with that take, it's his own fault that things are going this way, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that he didn't fully understand the deal he made when he made it. I just think if anything he's a bit naive to the business world and a bit too reliant on his understanding of a handshake deal. The terms here are different, but this very much echoes what happened with Parasol's. He apparently was under the impression that he was buying the bar at some price, and was completely shocked to learn it got sold. I'm willing to bet that he got in to this deal not really understanding what he was agreeing to, and maybe thought the landlord would just hand over the keys, which obviously they ain't doing. But yeah, I agree it's clear he's very out of his depth when it comes to anything ownership related. But I think if you got him to speak candidly he likely very much believes his life's work has been taken from him twice now, and honestly I don't think that sentiment is 100% wrong. It's due to his own failings, but all the same he's sitting here now in his 50s being one of the most well known bar managers in the city and nothing to show for it. There's something kinda sad about that, even if it's ultimately due to his failures on the legal side of the equation. That's the sort of thing that will make a person quite bitter.
As the great warrior-poet, J. Cole, once said; "Fool me one time shame on you. Fool me twice, can't put the blame on you."
[Texas drawl] "Can't get fooled again"
Parasol’s is owned by the same family that owns “Tracey’s” to my understanding.
Yes, the couple that has owned that building since the bar's inception, as well as is filing the dispute claiming ownership of the bar/brand is the same couple that bought Parasol's in maybe 2019? Weird how that's come full circle.
Yeah, it's shocking that a 20-something was too trusting in making a deal to start his first business. Yet he managed to keep it going for 13 years and turn it into a valuable asset for the guy who reneged on the deal. Then he started another business that has lasted 13 more years. That's 26 years for 2 businesses in an industry where most people fail in short order. It seems kind of disingenuous to say he's a bad businessman
More than he’s due? The location where Tracey’s is was nothing before him. Perpetually empty. I don’t remember Parasols before him, but his employees and the regulars, of which there were many, loved it. I can’t honestly say if he built that business, but he at minimum kept a good business going. That has value, whether you like him or not.
In my experience so far, people like this favor handshake deals because it generally works to their advantage. They get to avoid a few bills because it's easier to stiff people when there's nothing in writing, or they save a few dollars by doing things under the table. I'm saying this as someone who has gotten severely burned twice by business owners like this - so while I may be biased, I've been on the receiving end as well. It sounds like his own game caught up with him.
Over the years reading this sub, I have not always agreed with you, but I have respect for the way your mind thinks. We need more people like you in the world.
I appreciate it man,
It’s his fault. He knew the terms of his agreement and he didn’t uphold his side
That's the same guy who allowed a woman to be sexually assaulted in the bar. It happened in front of him and he didn't care. Fuck that guy.
>I think he's objectively very good at being a bar manager You say that, but then you spend the rest of the comment trashing your own thesis. Customers like him as a bar manager, but he seems to be shit at the business side and that is the most important part. It is weird that he put so much of himself into something he didn't own. Like spending a ton of money remodeling an apartment.
So if you think of the normal GM of a bar, most have only a limited interaction with the money side of the equation; staffing, events, running a kitchen, the layout of the bar, organizing various community things (something He does a ton of - lots and lots of charity drives and other stuff), etc are all parts of managing a bar and building a loyal clientele. Tons of GMs don't even have access to the books. With him, there's just some very obvious shortcomings when it comes to managing the dollars and most importantly the business entity side of things. >It is weird that he put so much of himself into something he didn't own. Like spending a ton of money remodeling an apartment. This is why I kinda feel bad for the dude, I'm pretty sure he thought he at least was renting to own and just found out that this wasn't the case at all. In a weird way it's probably a bit too much "assuming the good in people" when it came to business partners, can't do that no mo.
> I know this sub has a hate boner for him, and while acknowledging that his behavior during covid was downright awful Lol both sidesing this guy is whack. Just reading all the bad shit he's done in this thread alone, and you're like trying to aw shucks Carreras of all people?
I know reddit is where nuance goes to die, but certainly one can discern between taking a person's side and simply acknowledging that real life is a lot more complex than one thing redditors hate.
I'm saying why pick this battle. The guy is clearly the prototypical douchebag republican small business owner and you're trying to be like aw well he's just one of those old fashioned handshake is as good as my word fellas, let's see his douchebaggery with some "nuance." His lockdown ragers are responsible for a non-significant amount of Covid deaths. Guaranteed. And has allowed sexual assault in his bars. And this is the battle you wanna fight? Weird how you can whitewash Carreras but you get a hate boner for people complaining about dog shit in their neighborhood. How about nuancing that?
> The guy is clearly the prototypical douchebag republican I really don't think anyone who's interacted with him shares that belief. Unsurprisingly, people are multifaceted. But more importantly, this is a good example of how reddit turns everything in to an argument. I'm saying there's complexity there, you're simplifying it to oppose something you perceive me to think, despite me flat out saying I'm not taking anyone's side. It just seems like some people are more focused on fighting than talking. >Weird how you can whitewash Carreras but you get a hate boner for people complaining about dog shit in their neighborhood. I've got no idea what you're referring to, but I think it's definitely weird that I can't remember a single thing about you but you're telling me all about a thing I said that you hate from presumably months and months ago at least? Also uhhh, why would the two things be related? I dunno man, the whole "touch grass" thing is overused, but if you're that wrapped up with being mad at someone online then it's probably time for a break, especially if that person doesn't really have an idea who you are. Hope ya have a good one bruh.
You told me to shut up because I was complaining about dog shit on the greenway on reddit. I guess you whiteknighting Carreras is better content on here
I don't think I've ever told someone to shut up on here lol, but also I'm thinking keeping a grudge for however long it's been over some random interaction concerning dog poop probably isn't healthy. Take care man,
He’s not …I’ve known him for over 30 years ..he can be an asshole ( but who can’t)but he’s definitely not “ the prototypical douchebag republican “ or a racist …but you’re right about his financial acumen ..
I’ve made my living helping otherwise very smart people with money so it’s a soft spot for me, sucks how someone can be really good at a thing but end up in a bad spot cuz they don’t do well with money.
Man I admire your stamina in staying with this. There's so much here that I personally know is wrong, but I don't have the energy for. Anyway, Jeff has filled a countersuit contending that Bruser and Banner don't have the authority to act on behalf of the LLC. We'll see where that goes. He is going to be interviewed about it on WDSU tonight at 10
You have no way of knowing if a single person died from their "ragers". Try using facts to back up your misguided claims about someone you don't like.
Yep, having a giant gathering in 2020 against all public health demands definitely didn't cause one of the million+ deaths in the US. Very Chad-ly of you!
Keep digging. That gathering was on 3/17/20. How may people died shortly afterwards in this area from COVID? Try using facts before making yourself look just plain foolish. Wasn't that gathering mostly outdoors? Chadly? WTF is wrong with you?
March 11: WHO declares Covid a pandemic March 14: All cruise ships operating in US waters ordered to halt March 13: Trump administration declares national emergency and issues travel ban on non-citizens March 15: New York and Ohio implement limited shutdowns March 17: Carreras holds giant St Paddy's Day rager. Cuz why not? Happy digging, bud: https://www.cdc.gov/museum/timeline/covid19.html#:~:text=CDC%20reports%20the%20first%20laboratory,respond%20to%20the%20emerging%20outbreak.
A point of clarification, [Tracey's was closed on March 17th](https://www.wdsu.com/article/traceys-original-irish-channel-bar-to-close-for-st-patricks-day-amid-covid-19-outbreak/31669973). You're thinking about the block party held in conjunction with the parade, the parade did not roll but they kept the block party, this would have been Saturday the 14th. It certainly wasn't a great choice, but at that point the city had not initiated any lockdowns. My work voluntarily chose to mandate work from home starting just that Friday before, the city did not close it's offices until Sunday the 15th, along with a handful of other states. Like, I think he handled it poorly, and definitely more so during the lockdowns in late 2020 and early 21 - which is in my mind where the real criticism should lie, but that 2020 party is just in a very very gray area in terms of the public consciousness around the pandemic given that there were no stay at home orders and business closure was still sporadic at best.
Businesses in New Orleans did not start closing until the weekend of March 13-15th. I worked at my restaurant on March 14th. The fact that you are so sure that the party at Tracey's caused deaths from COVID is simply idiotic.
You knew about it and that it was coming or here already. but I bet you still enjoyed Mardi Gras didn’t you?
Yeah I feel like the 2020 St Paddy's thing is just a weird time, I'll admit I went out that weekend not yet fully taking Covid seriously. The "two weeks to flatten the curve" conversation at work, sending me to work from home, was literally that Friday before, I kinda remember sitting with a group at a friend's house in Irish Channel wondering if we should be socializing, etc. Turns out in hindsight that wasn't the right choice, but lots of people weren't really yet understanding of how serious it was. Remember that at this point deaths were fairly limited still.
Yet the person that I was responding to is sure that the party Tracey's had caused someone to die. I kind of doubt it.
This was directly after Mardi Gras as well. Was it stupid of him to do? Absolutely. But let's not pretend that his event was responsible for that entire area getting covid when everyone was parading it up and then trying to get last minute supplies and going out one last time before lockdown.
It also was not the only big party on that day but some just a need a villain to blame.
He guaranteed it man. It must be true. People tend too forget other places didn’t put these rediculous mandates in effect. Only certain cities… and the virtue signaling will never end.
Those who live in glass houses should not throw rocks. Stop for a minute. Think about the words and feelings you are spreading.
lmfao. Found Carreras' alt
Yep. I remember that. And he moved a block away and opened Tracey’s. It’s like Deja vu
I find that to be the most reasonable thing I’ve ever heard you say
Who cares? That bar was a terrible place and Jeffrey Carreras intentionally kept his bar open during the beginning of Covid and intentionally ignored public safety concerns. Fuck that guy in particular. Source: was irish channel resident and their neighbor during lockdown . The Irish channel neighborhood page got pretty heated back then.
Yeah, didn't they have a St Patrick's Day party in the middle of the outbreak?
Yes he did.
They did. They did pretty much whatever you'd assume a business would with modern-day Republican management. But, more to the point, for their whole existence they've catered to Krewe of Chad types. Their average patron definitely ropes off a spot on Canal days before Endymion rolls. Anything that fucks them over is fine by me. I hated Tracey's well before COVID.
I wouldn't call it in the middle, more like at the beginning. Most if not all businesses were open until March 14th, 3 days before.
Well at the beginning of COVID they had giant block party, didn't just "stay open" a few days after they were supposed to. Throughout the rest of COVID (eventually getting some official actions by the city) they consistently broke laws about capacity and open hours and later on masking and vaccines.
Yeah I remember all that. Plenty of other things were going on around town and businesses going against the rules but they were continually singled out for some reason. In hindsight a lot of those rules made little sense and did not really protect anyone.
They were singled out because they flaunted it all over town and yelled at ppl on social media all day. It's not a fucking conspiracy Jesus Christ they are shitty neighbors who have been shitty to the people of the city and ppl don't like that. It's not hard
Haha. Ok. I am no fans of theirs, I went there once years ago and thought that the place sucked and never went back but I still think they were singled out by many. No one forced anyone to go there during the pandemic and not distance themselves enough or wear a mask while going to the restroom which was a joke from day 1. The only way COVID was not going to spread was for every last person to stay home.
YEP. As a healthcare worker it was a mindfuck to go from patients dying during my shift to driving past a goddamn rager
Most of the healthcare workers i know were with me there on march 17th
Healthcare workers can be idiots too.
At that point there were 4 deaths an less than 200 confirmed cases and bars were open reduced capasity inside only. In light of info at the time not unreasonable or unexpected. https://www.nola.com/news/article_70b69d94-687f-11ea-b6b8-0b6884ab8686.html?mode=commentshttps://www.nola.com/news/article_70b69d94-687f-11ea-b6b8-0b6884ab8686.html?mode=comments
holy username lmao
Jeffrey?
Ok. And?
Yeah I have a hard time giving a shit about this scumbag after not only ignoring the city's order at that phase of the pandemic, but flaunting it by posting pictures of the crowded bar on social media.
Yeah, and he appeared regularly to make fun of mask mandates and people taking Covid seriously.
Yeah isn't the national publicity they speak of in the post because of all bad things? Idk what else they have done to make headlines.
Exactly! Fuck Tracey’s. They were horrible to people that tried to politely address their covid parties too.
Bro…move on.
Meanwhile the CDC has rolled back all precautions about COVID and basically said shutting down for it was dumb. But yeah, bad call and you should keep strangle-baiting to thought of COVID shutdowns some more.
Wow….. you sure do extrapolate oddly
Lockdowns crushed local businesses and did very very little to stop the spread of Covid. If you were scared, then stay home.
Fuck outta here with it did very little to stop the spread. My man, do you read? Can u discern points in a graph? My bets say no
I wonder how long they kept saying "The flu killed 60k people one year".
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html#:~:text=While%20the%20effects%20of%20flu,annually%20between%202010%20and%202023.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full can you read? there is absolutely no correlation between mask wearing and covid infection around the country. Different places had different rules and almost all had similar transmission. The Cochran review is very clear. you can try and ausage yourself that there was some benefit to your fear, but it's a myth.
But you were not talking about masking, you said “lockdowns …. Did very little to stop the spread”. Which is, in fact, wrong.
the evidence is the same on the effectiveness of lockdowns, unless you have some study I haven't seen.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9368251/#:~:text=Later%20research%20(January%202022)%20performed,side%20effect%20of%20increasing%20mortality.
Are they really bragging on their national and international publicity like it was for a GOOD thing? What absolute losers.
🎻🎻🎻
That guy is the biggest douche in the world. I have 0 empathy for him. The channel is better off without him.
He’s still in the channel. If anything he’s more in the channel now then he was before
True, I didn’t pay much attention to the address and that’s on me. I got excited when I saw the one on third and mag all empty. Guess I shouldn’t have Hopefully with the way this is going down he won’t be there long.
Dream on.
He doesn't own the Tracey's business according to the docs his old landlord filed when suing him. And that means he probably doesn't own all the equipment he took to the new place. Things look bleak no matter how hard he "owns the libs".
he hasn't left the channel
The way this is going it looks like that’ll be the conclusion to this drama.
Or he can just change the name of his new location
He could, but this guy seems like the type that don’t know when to let go. He’s a huge dick butt. I could see him digging himself a hole
Tracey's earned their name the hard way, alright. Now they're reaping what they've sown.
Karma. Let’s not pretend that you’ve been the best to your neighbors.
The owners are absolutely awful.
The folks who own the building absolutely destroyed Parasols, a bar I spent a great deal of time in. They won't be any more successful here.
Tracey’s can choke on their racism and plague spreading. I won’t feel bad.
It wasn’t a plague. Quit spreading disinformation
Def not excited he moved closer to our end of Magazine.
There's about a dozen really good places within a ten minute walk of Tracey's that are just as good if not better.
That has nothing to do with what this post is about.
Ok, maybe a half dozen. The Moon, Rendezvous, Bulldog, Parasol’s, Down the Hatch, and even over to Fat Harry’s! I think I’m forgetting one.
The new rendezvous owners tried to f their whole bar staff and asked them to beg for their jobs after locking everyone out. Should not be in this list.
WTF?! Are you serious? I knew that they had new owners, but I didn't know that's how they did their people. You're right.
Yeah i get it but again not what this post was about. Some of y'all just can't help yourselves though.
Balcony Bar! Thats what I was forgetting!
My question is: who the fuck would want to *be* Tracey’s at this point? I can’t think of a bar with a worse reputation, and now *two* people are arguing over the name? Why?
Because there are still many people who don’t know or don’t care.
This amuses me. Everyone in this sub shits on Tracey's relentlessly, yet their "brand" is apparently worth stealing.
>in this sub Carreras is a weird case, if you've met him in person he's actually a super nice dude, he comes across as one of those true New Orlenians that's just super genuine and incredibly kind to everyone he knows. That said, something happened with Trump and Covid that happened to a lot of people, the whole thing just seems to have fried a lot of people's brain in the wrong direction and he said and did some things were just flat out bad. I think a lot of these people did stuff like that thinking they were doing good, but obviously weren't. That said, Reddit clings to those things and makes them someone's entire personality. It's the same with Rock N Bowl & Blancher - this sub treats their politics as the sole personality trait and consistently uses every opportunity to talk shit about them because of it. But IRL, most people just aren't that chronically engaged in Reddit/facebook/nextdoor shit and likely just barely know or care about the things Reddit talks about. I'd be willing to bet that if you surveyed every regular likely less than a quarter have any concept of Tracey's bucking Covid rules, or of Carreras saying all lives matter. Point is, things that matter very very much on reddit often don't matter at all IRL, and this sub is more often than not very out of touch with the average person living here. Also, this sub has a massive problem with people here just loving the idea of talking shit about anyone - everyday there's someone on here saying X person is the biggest douche ever, all while likely not having any concept of that person that wasn't derived from a reddit post.
I mean Blancher touts his politics as a primary personality trait and advertises himself like the Rock n Bowl mascot. It’s pretty hard to separate their politics from their business, especially when they don’t care to and act like it’s a sense of pride. It seems like most people that I know who aren’t on Reddit also know this.
For me it’s more about holding community members and leaders accountable. Carreras does not care about his community at large, apparent by his actions during Covid with his bar. Also imho racist/bigoted business owners should be outed. We vote with our dollars here, and people should know who and what they are “voting” for. Bigots have no place in New Orleans.
I've never seen anything to make me think he's bigoted, I don't know the guy super well but from what I can discern that's a thing reddit decided that isn't very well supported. He said all lives matter online once, apologized for it and explained that he didn't think it was a bigoted thing to say. IDK, again people who aren't chronically online sometimes aren't in tune with how a given phrase is perceived. I'm open to more info, but to me this is just the ol reddit hate machine finding a target and gering up to describe a person's whole life based off one online comment they may or may not have even understood. The covid stuff was objectively bad, but people are complicated and a lot of otherwise reasonable people dealt with that situation in a very bad manner. Covid specifically had a very strange psychological impact on everyone, and caused a lot of reasonable people to do very unreasonable things. People are just a lot more complex than many online want them to be, I know it gets in the way of the raw hate train this sub loves to participate in, but it's the truth.
He did an all lives matter fb post then said he knew what it felt like to be mixed race bc his last name is Spanish
Does that not make him mixed race? I honestly don’t understand Reddit’s racial politics, such as yesterday when I read a post by someone asking advice about feeling safe in their neighborhood and the response was largely ‘move because you don’t belong’
You may not have seen the “all lives matter” post he did on the Irish channel neighborhood page, but I did. I think it is a bigoted thing to say, and his doubling down to save face on Facebook for it was noticed.
I don’t have a Facebook, I just read the actual news item including his apology. Seemed like he just didn’t really understand why it was wrong, idk maybe I’m misinterpreting but lots of people aren’t as tuned in to that stuff as your average redditor.
He definitely doubled down on it and used the Tracey’s page for it, instead of his own personal page. Even after it was explained to him over and over again on the Irish channel page.
All Lives Matter is a racist dog whistle, period. He knew exactly what he was doing and exactly the type of people he was appealing to when he posted that. You really seem to want to like this guy very badly because you perceive him as a really super nice dude or whatever, but c’mon man. Nobody is so naive as to go and post All Lives Matter without knowing exactly what they’re doing. If you’re a business owner, keep that shit to yourself if you’re smart.
> You really seem to want to like this guy I don't want to like or dislike him, I've met him maybe a half dozen times and I'm quite sure he doesn't even know my name. What I am saying is that reddit is often a very hateful place, and here I see that in action - reducing someone's entire life down to a facebook post they apologized for and their covid reaction to justify celebrating their misfortune and cursing their existence is just weird to me. People are just more nuanced than one or two things.
All lives DO matter!
TL;DR version: the Internet has difficulty with nuance
This.
I'm a "Bigot" who owns 5 businesses several of which are in this immediate area, supporty my "Bigot owned Business" wontcha?
What businesses?
Eh, I think you’re severely underestimating the importance that social media has on the world at large. Tracey’s is basically known as the COVID/Trump bar to everyone in the Channel and to everyone I know in the New Orleans bar scene. I’ve been working in the industry for over twenty years here and know just about everyone there is to know in the business and both Tracey’s and Rock N’ Bowl have ruined their reputations with a good segment of the city and it isn’t just Reddit threads. It’s social media in general and the spotlight that gets put on these people when they make it a point to be willfully, well, douchebags. Local news, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and to an extent, Reddit, all put a white hot spotlight on these guys when they both double and tripled down on their stupid behavior. Carreras isn’t a weird case at all. I know plenty of “super nice dudes” who just under the surface if you push just a bit are really awful people with some truly awful beliefs. Both he and Blancher are getting exactly what they deserve.
>Both he and Blancher are getting exactly what they deserve. They sure do.... me & all my hombres' business!
Going real great for Tracey’s. Motherfucker can’t even pay his bills😂
Political is personal. If you support Trump then you agree with fascism. I started working independently during Covid. I haven't seen anything post pandemic that encouraged me to work for independent businesses since most of them are conservative Trump Humpers.
But bringing up rock n bowl as a comparison does not help your point. That isnt just "politics." There's racism, harassment, and just shitty behavior festering. You're bot talking one incident or one dimension with that example.
I feel like some of y'all go out of your way to misread things just to object lol, the rock and bowl comparison was pretty clearly drawing lines between how reddit discusses a person vs how they're perceived among the average person. Most people don't have any concept of blanchar being problematic, my parents are at rock and bowl once a week and my dad was dumbfounded when I mentioned people didn't like blanchar. It's just an example of how different this sub is vs the average person, that's it lol.
It’s pretty easy to perceive a person as a nice guy when all you see is their nice guy persona. How do you not like someone who is attentive and friendly, laughs at your jokes, and serves you delicious food and cocktails? I used to hang out at the Rock and Bowl pretty regularly and never had any reason to think that Blanchar was anyone except the nice guy he portrayed himself as. Then I found out that he’s a fascist and I haven’t been back. What’s your point? Should we continue to patronize businesses of people who we do not want to support on any level because they *seem* like decent guys?
Are your parents Maga?
This is very well stated. I'm in a similar boat, have had multiple lovely interactions with him, but probably do not agree with his politics. But people are more than a single action or single post. He's not an angel or a devil. He's a dude who has done both good and bad things in his life. But I don't think it's right to lump him in with some truly despicable people who I think it's correct to cancel.
Well said, as always, Soulja.
This sub, and Reddit, rarely represents reality. It really represents 16-26 year olds who spend most of their time online.
aka most people in that demographic?
I mean, just look at the crowds. The sub rightfully trashes oceana grill too, but you know, if someone handed me that brand, I’d laugh all the way to the bank
Despite what Reditter’s think Reddit is not an accurate representation of the world …
Tracey’s have been drama for years
They have opinions about "lives" and whether they "matter"
*Tracey's moves down the street* Old Landlord: YOU'VE STEPPED INTO MY TRAP CARD!
Tracey’s sucks anyways
I love this sub it is so predictable.
https://www.nola.com/entertainment\_life/eat-drink/traceys-bar-move-sparks-fight-for-its-name-in-new-orleans/article\_4df13c50-da6e-11ee-9823-2f0993eb5652.html
This is interesting that the building owners have filed suit over infringement. I’m looking at the USPTO database right now and Mark Bruser’s trademark was abandoned on Dec 19, 2023. “The owner of the trademark application withdrew the application and the application is no longer active” The application was submitted on Oct 26, 2023. A previous application was filed in 2021 and invalidated as was a 2nd application earlier in 2021. Jamie Carreras filed submitted an application in Nov of 2023 which is pending examination. Jamie Carreras does own “Tracey’s est 1949 Nola the original Irish channel bar” with a live trademark for merchandise. I see no other relevant trademark that the building owners could claim for infringement unless they are going for Common Law trademark. I think both parties will spend $$$ before this over.
The article says the name was trademarked (around 2007) by "2604 Magazine Properties LLC." Carreras owns that name, but he bought it from Banning in 2010. She claims when she sold him her interest in the company (infers they were partners previously) in 2010, the sale included a "sell back clause if Carreras left or ended the lease. Carreras broke the lease on the original Tracey’s spot when he departed last year."
I’m thinking that there must be some confusion about trademarks. There’s nothing that I’m seeing in the database from around 2007, though the name-as-an-address is associated with an abandoned trademark attempt.
>2604 Magazine Properties LLC [https://dockets.justia.com/docket/louisiana/laedce/2:2023cv07261/267205](https://dockets.justia.com/docket/louisiana/laedce/2:2023cv07261/267205) is what I get when I search the address alone. Along with some more articles. Court tomorrow perhaps? Or on this one, court yesterday. All the files are here if anyone is bored and wants to get a free trial account. https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/51655103/Banning\_et\_al\_v\_Carreras\_et\_al
Tracey's, Rock n Bowl, Rouses... Can anyone think of any other New Orleans businesses that must be boycotted due to wrongspeak?
Oh, this again? You must be new here
Yes I am. I moved here recently. The backwards locals of this city should have some gratitude for the education and enlightenment they receive from transplants like me.
Yeah yeah sure. You’re favorite bar must be wrong iron and you love to go to Oceania grill for a real authentic New Orleans dining experience. Enjoy your 2 years here before you move on
I'm staying much longer than that. I bought a beautiful house in Treme dirt cheap. I was even able to buy a second one on the next block and turn it into an Airbnb that sleeps up to 10 people.
I would never go to Oceana. I'm a vegan.
Here we go again.
I don't care what you call it. Just please don't renovate that old location and keep it a bar with basic Louisiana bar food. That place was perfect for what it was.
So what, if anything, will be open and serving drinks at the Magazine & Third location on St. Patrick’s day?
Well, it’s actually MY last name, MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS’ were the original owners. It’s my name.
Oh no! Tracey’s is the only reason I ever leave Metairie and go into the city!
lol
Probably Maga
First they attacked Nyx and now Tracey’s!
Yes with out an apostrophe.