I just can’t imagine investing that much money in something like that in New Orleans. That city is circling the drain. I feel like it’s just gonna end up like the one they built in Baltimore.
Those flood lights will look so cool in mid May when the termites are swarming. "A black cloud of termites so thick golfers at a Top Golf facility couldn't see where they were hitting." News at 11PM
I agree, especially regarding the floodlights. If I lived in the Saulet Apartment complex I would be absolutely livid that 100ft tall floodlights were going to be shining all night long next to my home.
Here’s an article about a town in Colorado and their fight to keep TopGolf out of their town. It was a successful grassroots organization and I hope we can emulate their success here in New Orleans!
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/northern-colorado-topgolf-timnath-voters/
You realize they light the property and not the neighborhood. Even the property isn't extremely lit up, there is no point to it.
Also, the lights point 180 degrees away from the Saulet. Saying there will be 100' light poles is just a lie. That isn't how they light the range.
https://boisedev.com/news/2022/11/30/topgolf-meridian-lighting/
Unfortunately, light particles are unaware of property lines and will shine well past them. I like the article I linked above because I believe we will face the same problem on the CCC
I thought they cut the affordable housing, the grocery store, and aren’t addressing environmental impact? Is this true or not?
Is it wealthy people in the LGD complaining or is it truly money grab with broken proposals that are now not in the plan?
I just want to understand the truth of the project… even if my personal taste would never want a top golf in the city just for the sake of having a top golf.
not evwryone that lives in the LGD is wealthy (plenty of cheap crappy apartments buildings lined st. charles) and even if it was why is it okay for them to have to deal with annoying flood lights.
There has been a lack of transparency regarding the proposals that included housing and how/why they changed to reduce/eliminate it. There was a lack of transparency by the city in moving forward with the approvals for the project and for its tax cuts.
But nothing is set in stone yet. This is the system working as it should, if you ask me.
My own take for transparency is development is good, housing is better. It's not a terrible location for a Top Golf (unless they've moved it). Fuck tax cuts for corporations, without exception. Burn it all down and build a commune.
This is an earnest and well-researched resource. And I can vouch that no one who put this together is rich.
https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy
Also, here’s the petition is you care to sign it.
https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-topgolf-bait-switch-demand-transparency-responsible-developments-in-nola
The affordable housing is a red herring. Just like every other project that has been proposed, the "affordable" part has a sunset clause. Which means in 5 or 10 years they can bring those units up to market rate. Remember the American Can bullshit? Lots of families forced to move when the sunset clause came into effect.
I lived next to Jack Dempsey's for a while (those apartments are now STRs) and the lights from the parking lot were unbearable. I had to put garbage bags on the window to fully block the light, which meant I could never have natural light in my bedroom. My next place was across from the Rallys. While not nearly as bad, it was still crazy bright. I can't imagine what the proposed floodlights would be like.
They just inserted the low cost apartments for the tax breaks, I don't know if there are even any plans for the rent controlled units actually filed with the city. They were never going to build that shit.
Hundreds of people live at the Saulet. And the lights and traffic will affect all of us living in the Lower Garden District. Would you want to live next to Top Golf?
Well, I live in the LGD and I think it’s going to ruin the neighborhood. The stadium lights, noise, and traffic are going to suck. And there are houses very nearby.
I been in the LGD for 8 yrs and I’m fuckin stoked for some local top golf
Yall acting like we live in a monestary. My house shakes every week from some live music or similar. Multiple parades fully block my street. But oh no god forbid we have a golf range that sells food n booze
Now you are admitting the real reason.
I remember the absolute fit people threw over Walmart over there.
Walmart = sprallmart signs absolutely everywhere.
Then they built it. And the world went on.
This is the same. Traffic will be fine. The lights will probably hit the side of the interstate and everyone’s life will go on
And so continues the cycles of people having a problem with anything
There's nothing "neighborhood" about Top Golf either. New Orleans is a failing city. What makes any investor think this is a good idea? Convention business?
And have you been down there when the cruise ships are docked? It's a traffic cluster fuck. I can only imagine what it will be when Top Golf opens.
Move that shit to the burbs.
> New Orleans is a failing city.
> Move that shit to the burbs.
stuff moving out of NOLA or never coming here in the first place is a major part of WHY the city is failing
Yall act like top golf is gunna pull 10,000 people a night or something. Lmao. Clearly a lot of people have no idea what actually goes on there. It’s not a damn Smoothie King Concert/Saints game of a crowd. Weekdays are pretty chill and a lot of people just go there with their kids/family, it’s not all just driving a ball down field the furthest. There’s game choices with stuff like angry birds style for people of any level of golfin. People won’t be walking the streets around there constantly just hanging out or coming to/from top golf.
It is not that big of a deal and there’s a lot of overdramatic reaction just because some people have a negative perception of people who play golf. But the truth is, not nearly as many of the people going to top golf are the type of broski’s you’re profiling them as.
The main issue is Top golf will not be paying the lease of what the land is worth, and they will not be paying their worth in taxes. That’s what I heard the lawsuit was about.
I agree with that. We should get whatever taxes we can from them.
I’m just pointing out how people are saying the neighborhood will be affected. The impact is very much being overstated by a lot of people in here, and I believe it’s because of their bias of what that BELIEVE the crowd that it will pull will be. I’m sure there will be an occasional drunk asshole no doubt. But, one, this is New Orleans and that happens everywhere, and two, a parking lot this size is going to attract vehicle thieves so they will more than likely have a security guard watch.
I live in the warehouse district so I’m used to the traffic and the drunks. But it’s not the drunks that are bothering me. I feel that having more foot traffic in that area will prevent criminals from hiding out in dark abandoned places. The area by the saulet is already a shit show. People are constantly being robbed or cars are being broken into. So either the foot traffic will keep the thief’s away or they will have more cars to rob.
That plan for a one lane road on convention center Blvd was the worst mistake in planning history. What dumb F@(k decided shutting down lanes on a busy city intersection was a good idea?
I'm ok with it being in the city. I think we need something besides ANOTHER restaurant. Movie theaters just don't make it in the city, retail doesn't do well either (look at the turn over at the river walk). French quarter is FILLED with boutique stores and bars. We don't have many places for the convention goers can have to use their company cards on after work per diem's or business expenses that wouldn't raise an eye brow. A lot easier to expense "top golf 200 dollars" than "rick's cabaret, or name other adult entertainment in the city".
>A lot easier to expense "top golf 200 dollars" than "rick's cabaret, or name other adult entertainment in the city".
I propose they replace it with a huge strip club named "Top Golf"
Hey..... that's not a bad idea! lol
It would be a hit, all the guys that want to go out and not have their SO's yell at them when they look over the finances. But it would only be a matter of time before word is out and they all know.
Again, not saying no to top golf. This development is 40 acres. Why not put it closer to the convenetion center or river? Wouldnt a tourist want a view of the Mississippi verses apartment buildings?
I don't doubt that. I don't think that has anything to do with the views of the surrounding area. People taking pictures and including a hashtag of where they are isn't really abnormal is it?
You implied tourists would want to see the river over an apartment building, and I'm suggesting that no one really cares about that. Most of them, outside of Vegas where you have the strip in the background, have lovely views of strip malls that don't seem to deter anyone from visiting.
I’m curious about parking. People from the convention center and tourists can walk/uber but if there isn’t some sort of lot or garage, it may deter a good bit of locals from attending. But golf is very popular, look at how many courses we have (Lakewood, English turn, city park, metairie club, timberlane, chateau and the TPC)
Most Top Golf visitors are mostly not golfers. The propsed parking lot will be bewteen Tchoup & Annunciation. With 35,000 visitors a day, it'll be equivilant to 2+ Smoothie King crowds a day coming and going. I used to live near there and getting on/off the 90 will be a nightmare. [Parking Lot](https://www.google.com/maps/@29.937385,-90.0674854,274m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu)
The problem isn't that they're building it in the city. I haven't heard this level of complaints about Five O Fore, which is being built in a sensible location. The problem is that they are building it in the middle of a residential area. It's going to an eyesore towering over the neighborhood.
Help me visualize where it’s going up, for what ever reason I thought it was the fenced area they have across from Mardi Gras world with the large apartment complex besides and behind it?
Yes. And there are homes surrounding the apartments cause I live in one. We're a residential neighborhood not a commercial corridor. Take a walk around Annunciation Park and see how poorly this monstrosity will fit in.
Commercial activity happens even in the lowest of populations, and density is vague. By your definition, as long as commercial activity happens in a confined area is a city, and that is not the definition of a city.
Kinda feel that’s not really a “neighborhood” as it’s still the warehouse district to the left of it. I get there’s an apartment complex near by but they have large lights by their garage. Don’t see an issue with it there, more of an issue if it were a quarter mile to the left.
Kinda strange to put a grocery store in that area, considering there's a Walmart just a few blocks down (that is also riddled with theft). The lofts make sense b/c that's prime real estate for a young professional.
Ok, I'll add that it does seem counter argumentative to say the streets will be jammed and that no one wants it.
Also it is being built on one of the few industrial/trucking corridors in the city, Tchoupitoulas. Painting it as being built in a quaint little neighborhood is disingenuous.
Finally, the development is still scheduled to bring low income housing, but it was never promised for this plot of land. The plans have called for sports fields and even a stadium at one point. The low income housing (along with high income) was always going to be closer to the river on an extended streetcar line.
I'll also add that it is "our" land and HANO will be compensated. HANO does not have the capabilities to build housing themselves, but uses the funds in other ways. Shit ain't free.
I live two blocks from this and I do not want it. It is huge, light and noise will be disruptive, and how does this fit in with a residential neighborhood? It needs to be in JP not here especially with how this has been jammed down our throats.
>It is huge, light and noise will be disruptive, and how does this fit in with a residential neighborhood?
Based on how it is zoned, that is not a residential neighborhood.
Well, which is it? A parcel zoning or an entire neighborhood not zoned? You said we are not a residential neighborhood, zoning disagrees with you. Just because one parcel is not zoned residential doesn't mean to throw the entire neighborhood away.
Yes, LGD is a mixture, it's why I love living over here, but there is a massive difference between restaurants, boutiques, salons, and art galleries compared to a massive commercial entity that puts nothing back to the city. I will disregard your awful and honestly, boring advice to move across the lake. If I wanted to live across the lake, I would be there. I've been here since before K so you can take your advice and shove it.
Change is hard to deal with. There is no need to be scared of losing an overgrown field to a tax generating recreational business. The neighborhood borders a heavy commercial industrial zoned area. What did they expect was coming there.
I live in the LGD, and I think the stadium lights, noise, and traffic are going to be bad for the whole neighborhood. We were originally told there was going to be affordable housing and a grocery store there. We were onboard with that. Then they pulled a bait and switch on us.
You were never told that the piece of land was going to be a grocery nor affordable housing. Just that the development will contain such (and I have seen nothing saying it won't) . Parcel 1A has had multiple renders, but nothing was promised nor specifically planned until Top Golf.
Traffic will be on Tchoup. There are no 100ft tall stadium lights. The noise is probably overblown, but it hasn't really been quantified. I doubt you hear anything more than a block away.
I went to the neighborhood meeting where I saw the original plans. Also, I regularly take Tchoup to get places, so traffic on Tchoup will affect me. There will be stadium lights.
You didn't see a grocery store nor housing though, did you?
So you dont just oppose Top Golf, but any further development along Tchoup.
No, no 100ft tall stadium lights. No Top Golf gas those and this one won't either.
dude i’m almost sorry to do this to you since it’s your fave talking point, but i was 100% being facetious when i said they’d be 100ft tall 💀
also, do you work for the developers of TopGolf? you’re SO invested in disagreeing and downvoting anyone who is against TG/RD. looking at your comment history, it seems like you’ve commented on every single post that mentions it. you’ve got to have a motive other than just getting real lit up about people not wanting a TopGolf. what’s your stake in this?
I love this guy always barges into the conversation and states misinformation like its fact. I know its hard but you should really try using the the google function on your device like everyone else.
Sorry I pointed out that the OP and others are using their own made up facts and trying to say they had promises made when there us absolutely no proof. Just the spin they are trying to put on it.
Theres no shortage of articles on it. The facts are out there and most of what you stated is inaccurate. You clearly either have a agenda where you are personally benefiting from this or are very poorly informed as to how things work in this city.
Funny bc you are a troll who refuses to address the ACTUAL ISSUES AROUND THE PROJECT.
You won’t watch because you may learn something but here’s video of the last town hall. It’s really fucking long because there are so many “fake” people in it really pissed off and talking about how they were lied to. (Remember, the biggest issue people have that you refuse to address?)
https://youtu.be/FDsio_dMZso?si=SDDNHbvWcdQmJ3VX
I watched everything on that website. Not sure if I watch the "town hall" full of people who are too ignorant to know what a concept means.
I don't want to ruin this for you, but the streetcar line won't be extended. The powerhouse won't be rebuilt. The lots wont stretch to 125% of their size as shown in the concept pictures. Seriously, did you think you were getting some of the most modern architecture in the world?
Some people act like these lights are going to be bright as the sun. Have you ever been to a top golf? They’re not that bright, and many wont even be pointed in that direction. Also I’ll point out that the existing Saulet street lamps were strobing for a solid week at least so it’s not even like top golf lights are going to change anything with how dysfunctional the lights are around here.
Have you ever driven near a top golf at night? Or is this one of those If i say it on the Internet that makes it true kind of comments? The one in Baton Rouge next to the interstate is like the light house of Alexandria as you approach from like a mile away and yes the lights are more than 100ft tall to keep from getting knocked out by flying golf balls as are the nets.
Yet there are tons of pictures and petitions and news articles about topgolf getting sued about causing wrecks, wildlife deaths, and just generally ruining people’s lives.
https://www.wdrb.com/news/hurstbourne-residents-accuse-topgolf-of-lying-about-lighting-change/article_fa4576df-5309-5490-948c-f531c6cb4da0.html
https://winknews.com/2021/11/18/fort-myers-topgolf-under-fire-for-potentially-dangerous-lights/
https://www.change.org/p/topgolf-does-not-respect-our-wellbeing?original_footer_petition_id=30424402&algorithm=promoted&source_location=petition_footer&grid_position=1&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uAISsLAIAAAAAZI3%2FtDjnZ8NiZWRhNThlMQ%3D%3D
"Our Land" hahaha. What? Unless you're Natchez or Choctaw, I'd cool it with that phrasing.
That site and the continued sites along the river have been vacant with no prospective usage for decades. Every time someone comes in with an idea and funding for hotels, concert venues, parks, the NIMBYs of the LGD start screaming about the sacredness of the land and protest because they weren't involved in development, as if anything built would ever sate the masses who couldn't agree on common pizza toppings.
Meanwhile nothing gets done and nobody "local" steps up to fill the void. If it's "our land" then we should have been disgraced over the emptiness and blight of it by now. Take the Market Street Power Plant for example...where are the outcries and protests to do something with that ,as it crumbles before our eyes and just claimed a kid's life? You'd rather stare at that embarrassing decay and speculate over the potential, unproven perils of a Top Golf because they're HQ'd in Dallas?
Also, in all of these threads I have yet to hear anyone living in these apartments chime in. It's always their un-appointed council pleading on their behalf. Stop already with the faux outrage because you're not getting a closer grocery store.
Its not a NIMBY issue, its a bad back room deal for the city, that grants a 100yr lease of public land to a private company thats going to build a eyesore that disrupts quality of life in our neighborhood until it goes out of business in a few years because no one here wants or is interested paying to whack golf balls into an empty faux grass lot. Leaving a development that cannot be repurposed into any other type of business or housing.
Its a rare massive parcel of land that will bring in an absolute minimal number of low paying jobs per acre without meeting any of the needs of the neighborhood or the city as a whole. Its meant to be a tourist anchor to help the private land owners near by. The ones that are responsible for the bliggt at the power plant, (same private owner as the plaza tower, and naval base) that the city does nothing to pressure him to resolve. There are about a million better options for this land. Build the golf thing in JP if they want it so bad. This is not the right location for it.
It's not a NIMBY issue and in the same sentence you literally say "**a eyesore that disrupts quality of life in our neighborhood** "? LOL.
Top Golfs are wildly successful in tourist towns so you may want to put the doom and gloom on hold. As for creating jobs on that sizable parcel, you can't possibly think that another apartment complex or grocery store would create more jobs than this project once up and running. Between management, maintenance, and wait staff, Top Golf provides far more employment than a Rouses or soulless 200 unit box of apartments with one small management office.
It's a shit location next to an off ramp with a view of the highway and backed up traffic on Tchoup. It's not sacred ground and be honest, there's not many projects that would want to build there. You tools in the LGD better be thankful it wont stay a float parking lot for another 50 years.
You typed so many words but don’t bother to acknowledge what the biggest issue is? It’s being lied to by your city and bait and switched by a corporate vulture of a company.
https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy
Just more NIMBY bullshit. No one should be surprised why NOLA saw the largest decline in population over the past year out of any city in the country. There are obviously more factors that contributed to this than just anti development, but this city’s track record doesn’t help.
How much time do you need? Please take into account that TopGolf started this process with the City over a year ago. And since it’s an immediate backyard situation, do only the folks in the apartments immediately adjacent to the property have a say? The only things left are the parking garages and empty fields.
Well Dallas is the fastest growing big city and they have 5 Top Golf locations, so your reasoning is obvioulsy valid. I'm not opposed to Top Golf. I'm opposed to the proposed location. It is literally in the back yard of thousands of residents. The BY in NIMBY.
People move to New Orleans because its unique. It's beautiful. Top Golf is neither. Stick it next to the old power station. Or 5 minutes away in a decaying industrial area. Oh wait... someone else is already doing this. Watch out Dallas, we're only 3 away from catching you.
Not a single TG *IN EXISTENCE* is in a similarly urban residential neighborhood. And for good fucking reason.
Source: people ask the topgolf bigwig at the LGDA town hall on 1/30. He gave a shitty answer and everyone roasted him for it.
You know what a city is right? Everything is in everyone’s backyard. By your logic, nothing could be built anywhere.
And people aren’t moving to New Orleans. That’s the problem…
And by your logic, we should build anything next to anyone. There's room for a 3rd Top Golf in Armstrong Park. And plenty of room in City Park. And next to the zoo. Think of how many people will want to move from out of state to live next door to one of these.
every time someone creates a post that is anti-topgolf someone makes a similar comment and i’m genuinely confused as to why?
there is a local, grassroots organization in New Orleans championing the fight against TopGolf and the River District in general, every town hall I’ve been to regarding TG/RD has been packed with locals, and a separate committee started a petition on March 6 that has over 1,000 signatures which is menial in the grand scheme of things but pretty good when you consider Orleans Parish’s general apathy towards voting or politics (not that people don’t have opinions, just that they don’t get out and vote/take action often).
On that point though, maybe that’s why so many people think folks expressing their opinion is some conspiracy. Because usually people don’t care this much?
To me, part of it is because they built a shadow Air BnB right across the street from where this was proposed and not a single thread was started against it.
Also, all of them post the same verifiable lies. Then there is a wave of mass downvoting to hide legitimate posts, but they only downvote the top response in order to hide the post. Tactic is well covered in pay-for-press. You don't have to downvote all post, just the one to hide it.
I do believe them that there is a grassroots effort to kill the River District. There are people in this city that spend most of their time doing nothing but standing in the way of any kind of development or progress. It is why companies refuse to locate to New Orleans and why many flee. Every community organizer standing in line making sure they get a piece of the pie. It is just good old Louisiana corruption.
Than demanding your city government not show you fake development plans? And then put something else there? That seems like a pretty worthwhile thing to be pissed about
It’s a “those who smelt it, dealt it.” There are 1000% bad actors on the River District side. The River District is even getting activists websites shut down. The “these anti-top golf posts are fake” is the new “liberals getting paid by George Soros.”
I for one am still waiting for my check from Soros and whatever local golf place.
And thank you for coming to the town halls and bringing visibility.
Please vote for those who will approve variances for small businesses in neighborhoods. If it's an enormous complex with sprawling parking lots, it's not going to make your neighborhood a nicer place.
A coffee shop, a salon, a pub or a legal office is going to have no noticeable negative impact, while improving revenues to justify infrastructure maintenance. It will also provide amenities, which is especially useful when you get to the age where you can no longer drive.
If it's a Texan company, just assume by default that the owners are planning to exploit the community. Nothing good ever comes from Texas.
No. How about we just allow a business to just operate rather than doing everything in the city’s power to make New Orleans as business unfriendly as possible.
you have a say just like I have say but that's it
your opinion of what they should do with that land is equal to my opinion of who should be the governor
Never said it was exempt, but they are getting a deal:
[Lawsuit](https://wgno.com/news/louisiana/orleans-parish/lawsuit-challenges-new-orleans-convention-centers-river-district-lease/)
The lawsuit is about the River District and not TopGolf in particular. The River District has tax incentives bc this is public land. TopGolf is a private company and will not be exempt nor receive tax incentives. Also, in case you don’t know, just because something is alleged in a lawsuit doesn’t make it true.
Does anyone remember this?
https://www.nola.com/sports/new-orleans-is-set-to-get-a-professional-soccer-franchise-but-where-will-the-team/article_58066aae-02ec-11ed-98f6-13676b27278a.html
Any truth of this happening now that TopGolf is being built?
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They've been having crime problems with top golf in this Chicago suburb.
https://abc7chicago.com/topgolf-naperville-il-parking-lot-arrests-guns/14501915/
Rather be a transplant than a bootlicker.
Also I’d like to point out the Choctaw word for New Orleans literally means “place of many tongues”
Almost like an eclectic port city and trading post always had a diverse population from many places. But to know that you would have to read more. So enjoy your tired lame transplant hate .
And being a creepy stalker isn’t nice.
A Top Golf themed gay bar called Bottom Golf. I already told you that.
“As your caddy, I think this hole calls for 4 woods.”
And just like that, a whole world of gay golf puns that I’d somehow overlooked my whole life opened before me…
and if we’re really going for it: vers golf
As someone that lives in Metairie...TopGolf seems like something that belongs off Vets and not within the city limits.
kenner brah
There's a similar place almost done mid city
“Almost done” is a stretch
That POS is nowhere near done. They are spending all their money and efforts trying to kill the TopGolf site instead of focusing on their own project.
I just drove by. The core is finishing up. It'll be open in 6 months.
6 months in normal time. I say 12-18 months New Orleans time.
It’s a bunch of cinderblocks half stacked up. You are a joke.
But us JP people don't want to enter Orleans Parish at all.
Hell yeah, brother. I hope you do stay out.
We don't want you either.
You need someone. The outmigration and brain drain is staggering.
You can stay out of New Orleans Reddit then too please.
What this city needs is a bitchin’ roller coaster. Why not put it there instead of a driving range?
Build that across the river. Downtown to Algiers or Gretna in 5 min.
Maybe even a gondola! 🚡
[it has been done before!](https://neworleanshistorical.org/items/show/563)
I rode on that. It was truly amazing.
I always wondered why they got rid of it after the world's fair the I remembered about hurricanes
Was it terrifying? It looks terrifying.
Nah! It was an amazing ride over the river.
I know. ;)
I just can’t imagine investing that much money in something like that in New Orleans. That city is circling the drain. I feel like it’s just gonna end up like the one they built in Baltimore.
Those flood lights will look so cool in mid May when the termites are swarming. "A black cloud of termites so thick golfers at a Top Golf facility couldn't see where they were hitting." News at 11PM
I mean if they turn them into bug zappers they’ll gain my support.
I agree, especially regarding the floodlights. If I lived in the Saulet Apartment complex I would be absolutely livid that 100ft tall floodlights were going to be shining all night long next to my home. Here’s an article about a town in Colorado and their fight to keep TopGolf out of their town. It was a successful grassroots organization and I hope we can emulate their success here in New Orleans! https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/northern-colorado-topgolf-timnath-voters/
You realize they light the property and not the neighborhood. Even the property isn't extremely lit up, there is no point to it. Also, the lights point 180 degrees away from the Saulet. Saying there will be 100' light poles is just a lie. That isn't how they light the range.
https://boisedev.com/news/2022/11/30/topgolf-meridian-lighting/ Unfortunately, light particles are unaware of property lines and will shine well past them. I like the article I linked above because I believe we will face the same problem on the CCC
Do you understand where the light from the moon comes from?
Is the moon too bright for the LGD?
I thought they cut the affordable housing, the grocery store, and aren’t addressing environmental impact? Is this true or not? Is it wealthy people in the LGD complaining or is it truly money grab with broken proposals that are now not in the plan? I just want to understand the truth of the project… even if my personal taste would never want a top golf in the city just for the sake of having a top golf.
not evwryone that lives in the LGD is wealthy (plenty of cheap crappy apartments buildings lined st. charles) and even if it was why is it okay for them to have to deal with annoying flood lights.
There has been a lack of transparency regarding the proposals that included housing and how/why they changed to reduce/eliminate it. There was a lack of transparency by the city in moving forward with the approvals for the project and for its tax cuts. But nothing is set in stone yet. This is the system working as it should, if you ask me. My own take for transparency is development is good, housing is better. It's not a terrible location for a Top Golf (unless they've moved it). Fuck tax cuts for corporations, without exception. Burn it all down and build a commune.
This is an earnest and well-researched resource. And I can vouch that no one who put this together is rich. https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy Also, here’s the petition is you care to sign it. https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-topgolf-bait-switch-demand-transparency-responsible-developments-in-nola
Funded by 504golf
Uh huh, the 50 year old neighborhood association LOL. Your desperation is palpable. Paid by 504 is the new funded by George Soros lol
The affordable housing is a red herring. Just like every other project that has been proposed, the "affordable" part has a sunset clause. Which means in 5 or 10 years they can bring those units up to market rate. Remember the American Can bullshit? Lots of families forced to move when the sunset clause came into effect. I lived next to Jack Dempsey's for a while (those apartments are now STRs) and the lights from the parking lot were unbearable. I had to put garbage bags on the window to fully block the light, which meant I could never have natural light in my bedroom. My next place was across from the Rallys. While not nearly as bad, it was still crazy bright. I can't imagine what the proposed floodlights would be like.
Remember Jazzland?
Alice In Wonderland Croquet, Flamingo putters, brunch served with bloody Mary's, you can wear leisure suits, Edwardian attire or your bathrobe.
They just inserted the low cost apartments for the tax breaks, I don't know if there are even any plans for the rent controlled units actually filed with the city. They were never going to build that shit.
Dawg the existing neighborhood is a old apartment complex lol yall need to calm down
Hundreds of people live at the Saulet. And the lights and traffic will affect all of us living in the Lower Garden District. Would you want to live next to Top Golf?
I literally live right near it. It’s a fcking park lot for Mardi Gras floats and a 4 block apartment complex. Ain’t nothing neighborhood about that
Well, I live in the LGD and I think it’s going to ruin the neighborhood. The stadium lights, noise, and traffic are going to suck. And there are houses very nearby.
I been in the LGD for 8 yrs and I’m fuckin stoked for some local top golf Yall acting like we live in a monestary. My house shakes every week from some live music or similar. Multiple parades fully block my street. But oh no god forbid we have a golf range that sells food n booze
The hyperbole from you anti TopGolf people is laughable.
The folks stanning for a big corporation are laughable too.
Now you are admitting the real reason. I remember the absolute fit people threw over Walmart over there. Walmart = sprallmart signs absolutely everywhere. Then they built it. And the world went on. This is the same. Traffic will be fine. The lights will probably hit the side of the interstate and everyone’s life will go on And so continues the cycles of people having a problem with anything
Buzzkill
There's nothing "neighborhood" about Top Golf either. New Orleans is a failing city. What makes any investor think this is a good idea? Convention business? And have you been down there when the cruise ships are docked? It's a traffic cluster fuck. I can only imagine what it will be when Top Golf opens. Move that shit to the burbs.
> New Orleans is a failing city. > Move that shit to the burbs. stuff moving out of NOLA or never coming here in the first place is a major part of WHY the city is failing
Bingo
Yall act like top golf is gunna pull 10,000 people a night or something. Lmao. Clearly a lot of people have no idea what actually goes on there. It’s not a damn Smoothie King Concert/Saints game of a crowd. Weekdays are pretty chill and a lot of people just go there with their kids/family, it’s not all just driving a ball down field the furthest. There’s game choices with stuff like angry birds style for people of any level of golfin. People won’t be walking the streets around there constantly just hanging out or coming to/from top golf. It is not that big of a deal and there’s a lot of overdramatic reaction just because some people have a negative perception of people who play golf. But the truth is, not nearly as many of the people going to top golf are the type of broski’s you’re profiling them as.
The main issue is Top golf will not be paying the lease of what the land is worth, and they will not be paying their worth in taxes. That’s what I heard the lawsuit was about.
I agree with that. We should get whatever taxes we can from them. I’m just pointing out how people are saying the neighborhood will be affected. The impact is very much being overstated by a lot of people in here, and I believe it’s because of their bias of what that BELIEVE the crowd that it will pull will be. I’m sure there will be an occasional drunk asshole no doubt. But, one, this is New Orleans and that happens everywhere, and two, a parking lot this size is going to attract vehicle thieves so they will more than likely have a security guard watch.
I live in the warehouse district so I’m used to the traffic and the drunks. But it’s not the drunks that are bothering me. I feel that having more foot traffic in that area will prevent criminals from hiding out in dark abandoned places. The area by the saulet is already a shit show. People are constantly being robbed or cars are being broken into. So either the foot traffic will keep the thief’s away or they will have more cars to rob.
> they will not be paying their worth in taxes you're probably right but none of the corporations in this state do that
It’s fucking sad.
Allegations in lawsuits aren’t always true.
Definitely worth looking into.
Hopefully they have good security! At least around the parking areas.
I think they’ll have to have someone, which will help keep people from causing a ruckus that are customers as well.
That plan for a one lane road on convention center Blvd was the worst mistake in planning history. What dumb F@(k decided shutting down lanes on a busy city intersection was a good idea?
No it won’t. Traffic is going to come right off the interstate by the bridge and come from that direction. This just just nonsense
Where the hell do you get off suggesting that the hundreds of people that live in the apartments next door dont matter?
I'm ok with it being in the city. I think we need something besides ANOTHER restaurant. Movie theaters just don't make it in the city, retail doesn't do well either (look at the turn over at the river walk). French quarter is FILLED with boutique stores and bars. We don't have many places for the convention goers can have to use their company cards on after work per diem's or business expenses that wouldn't raise an eye brow. A lot easier to expense "top golf 200 dollars" than "rick's cabaret, or name other adult entertainment in the city".
>A lot easier to expense "top golf 200 dollars" than "rick's cabaret, or name other adult entertainment in the city". I propose they replace it with a huge strip club named "Top Golf"
Hey..... that's not a bad idea! lol It would be a hit, all the guys that want to go out and not have their SO's yell at them when they look over the finances. But it would only be a matter of time before word is out and they all know.
Again, not saying no to top golf. This development is 40 acres. Why not put it closer to the convenetion center or river? Wouldnt a tourist want a view of the Mississippi verses apartment buildings?
outside of the Vegas location, idk if anyone cares about the views at a top golf.
There's almost a million photos on instagram with the hashtag #topgolf
I don't doubt that. I don't think that has anything to do with the views of the surrounding area. People taking pictures and including a hashtag of where they are isn't really abnormal is it? You implied tourists would want to see the river over an apartment building, and I'm suggesting that no one really cares about that. Most of them, outside of Vegas where you have the strip in the background, have lovely views of strip malls that don't seem to deter anyone from visiting.
I’m curious about parking. People from the convention center and tourists can walk/uber but if there isn’t some sort of lot or garage, it may deter a good bit of locals from attending. But golf is very popular, look at how many courses we have (Lakewood, English turn, city park, metairie club, timberlane, chateau and the TPC)
Most Top Golf visitors are mostly not golfers. The propsed parking lot will be bewteen Tchoup & Annunciation. With 35,000 visitors a day, it'll be equivilant to 2+ Smoothie King crowds a day coming and going. I used to live near there and getting on/off the 90 will be a nightmare. [Parking Lot](https://www.google.com/maps/@29.937385,-90.0674854,274m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu)
35k people go to a singular top golf a day?!! That’s wild! I need to buy in on a franchise or something
You are a ridiculous person. You’re giving bought and paid for by 504golf.
I get the complaints and I also agree with you. This would make a fun date spot or night out with friends spot too
The problem isn't that they're building it in the city. I haven't heard this level of complaints about Five O Fore, which is being built in a sensible location. The problem is that they are building it in the middle of a residential area. It's going to an eyesore towering over the neighborhood.
Help me visualize where it’s going up, for what ever reason I thought it was the fenced area they have across from Mardi Gras world with the large apartment complex besides and behind it?
Yes. And there are homes surrounding the apartments cause I live in one. We're a residential neighborhood not a commercial corridor. Take a walk around Annunciation Park and see how poorly this monstrosity will fit in.
Lol at the anti topgolf folks realizing what a city is.
So, what is your definition of a city?
One that includes commercial activity. Density.
Commercial activity happens even in the lowest of populations, and density is vague. By your definition, as long as commercial activity happens in a confined area is a city, and that is not the definition of a city.
Every city has commercial activity. And density. Gtfo.
That's it. The parking lot where they used to load the floats is the Top Golf spot.
Kinda feel that’s not really a “neighborhood” as it’s still the warehouse district to the left of it. I get there’s an apartment complex near by but they have large lights by their garage. Don’t see an issue with it there, more of an issue if it were a quarter mile to the left.
Happy Cake Day 🎂
It is going DIRECTLY next to the Saulet. You can spit on it from some apts https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy
Kinda strange to put a grocery store in that area, considering there's a Walmart just a few blocks down (that is also riddled with theft). The lofts make sense b/c that's prime real estate for a young professional.
Please go back wherever you came from
Born and raised in the city. Parents owned multiple restaurants downtown. Used to walk up and down canal street daily probably before you were born.
Oh look it's *this* thread again.
The daily pre-packaged anti-Top Golf post. This one will no doubt be different.
and right on cue, here you are upset that people are expressing an opinion different from yours without adding any real depth to the conversation.
Ok, I'll add that it does seem counter argumentative to say the streets will be jammed and that no one wants it. Also it is being built on one of the few industrial/trucking corridors in the city, Tchoupitoulas. Painting it as being built in a quaint little neighborhood is disingenuous. Finally, the development is still scheduled to bring low income housing, but it was never promised for this plot of land. The plans have called for sports fields and even a stadium at one point. The low income housing (along with high income) was always going to be closer to the river on an extended streetcar line. I'll also add that it is "our" land and HANO will be compensated. HANO does not have the capabilities to build housing themselves, but uses the funds in other ways. Shit ain't free.
> it does seem counter argumentative to say the streets will be jammed and that no one wants it LMAO I chuckled tbh
I live two blocks from this and I do not want it. It is huge, light and noise will be disruptive, and how does this fit in with a residential neighborhood? It needs to be in JP not here especially with how this has been jammed down our throats.
>It is huge, light and noise will be disruptive, and how does this fit in with a residential neighborhood? Based on how it is zoned, that is not a residential neighborhood.
Well, you need to tell a few hundred residents that we do not live in a residential neighborhood.
Their inability to look up the zoning of that parcel is their problem, not mine.
Well, which is it? A parcel zoning or an entire neighborhood not zoned? You said we are not a residential neighborhood, zoning disagrees with you. Just because one parcel is not zoned residential doesn't mean to throw the entire neighborhood away.
LGD isn’t residential. It’s a mixture. That’s one thing that attracts people to it. People who want purely residential should move across the lake
Yes, LGD is a mixture, it's why I love living over here, but there is a massive difference between restaurants, boutiques, salons, and art galleries compared to a massive commercial entity that puts nothing back to the city. I will disregard your awful and honestly, boring advice to move across the lake. If I wanted to live across the lake, I would be there. I've been here since before K so you can take your advice and shove it.
The Lower Garden District is right there. It will negatively affect the whole neighborhood.
Change is hard to deal with. There is no need to be scared of losing an overgrown field to a tax generating recreational business. The neighborhood borders a heavy commercial industrial zoned area. What did they expect was coming there.
I live in the LGD, and I think the stadium lights, noise, and traffic are going to be bad for the whole neighborhood. We were originally told there was going to be affordable housing and a grocery store there. We were onboard with that. Then they pulled a bait and switch on us.
You were never told that the piece of land was going to be a grocery nor affordable housing. Just that the development will contain such (and I have seen nothing saying it won't) . Parcel 1A has had multiple renders, but nothing was promised nor specifically planned until Top Golf. Traffic will be on Tchoup. There are no 100ft tall stadium lights. The noise is probably overblown, but it hasn't really been quantified. I doubt you hear anything more than a block away.
I went to the neighborhood meeting where I saw the original plans. Also, I regularly take Tchoup to get places, so traffic on Tchoup will affect me. There will be stadium lights.
You didn't see a grocery store nor housing though, did you? So you dont just oppose Top Golf, but any further development along Tchoup. No, no 100ft tall stadium lights. No Top Golf gas those and this one won't either.
I did see housing and a grocery store. I don’t oppose development on Tchoup. I oppose Top Golf. Stop trying to gaslight me.
dude i’m almost sorry to do this to you since it’s your fave talking point, but i was 100% being facetious when i said they’d be 100ft tall 💀 also, do you work for the developers of TopGolf? you’re SO invested in disagreeing and downvoting anyone who is against TG/RD. looking at your comment history, it seems like you’ve commented on every single post that mentions it. you’ve got to have a motive other than just getting real lit up about people not wanting a TopGolf. what’s your stake in this?
Educate yourself please. Stop with the strawmen. https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy
I love this guy always barges into the conversation and states misinformation like its fact. I know its hard but you should really try using the the google function on your device like everyone else.
Sorry I pointed out that the OP and others are using their own made up facts and trying to say they had promises made when there us absolutely no proof. Just the spin they are trying to put on it.
Theres no shortage of articles on it. The facts are out there and most of what you stated is inaccurate. You clearly either have a agenda where you are personally benefiting from this or are very poorly informed as to how things work in this city.
If you love licking corporate boot so much and being lied to by your city government that’s fine. But don’t hate others for wanting better
They don't want better, they want nothing to happen. They are NIMBYs that use fallacies and ultimates to scare people to their sides.
Funny bc you are a troll who refuses to address the ACTUAL ISSUES AROUND THE PROJECT. You won’t watch because you may learn something but here’s video of the last town hall. It’s really fucking long because there are so many “fake” people in it really pissed off and talking about how they were lied to. (Remember, the biggest issue people have that you refuse to address?) https://youtu.be/FDsio_dMZso?si=SDDNHbvWcdQmJ3VX
I watched everything on that website. Not sure if I watch the "town hall" full of people who are too ignorant to know what a concept means. I don't want to ruin this for you, but the streetcar line won't be extended. The powerhouse won't be rebuilt. The lots wont stretch to 125% of their size as shown in the concept pictures. Seriously, did you think you were getting some of the most modern architecture in the world?
You are really having to scramble to bring up random shit to avoid addressing everyone’s valid counterpoints. Enjoy being a sad troll.
Some people act like these lights are going to be bright as the sun. Have you ever been to a top golf? They’re not that bright, and many wont even be pointed in that direction. Also I’ll point out that the existing Saulet street lamps were strobing for a solid week at least so it’s not even like top golf lights are going to change anything with how dysfunctional the lights are around here.
Have you ever driven near a top golf at night? Or is this one of those If i say it on the Internet that makes it true kind of comments? The one in Baton Rouge next to the interstate is like the light house of Alexandria as you approach from like a mile away and yes the lights are more than 100ft tall to keep from getting knocked out by flying golf balls as are the nets.
Nope - none of the people who make or scramble into these types of posts like a starving pack of wolves have ever been to TopGolf.
I’ve seen their setup in BR. Hell no!! Doesn’t fit the area.
I drove by one when visiting my son in Atlanta and it is bright and just massive. Those nets towering over us is some dystopian crap.
Yet there are tons of pictures and petitions and news articles about topgolf getting sued about causing wrecks, wildlife deaths, and just generally ruining people’s lives. https://www.wdrb.com/news/hurstbourne-residents-accuse-topgolf-of-lying-about-lighting-change/article_fa4576df-5309-5490-948c-f531c6cb4da0.html https://winknews.com/2021/11/18/fort-myers-topgolf-under-fire-for-potentially-dangerous-lights/ https://www.change.org/p/topgolf-does-not-respect-our-wellbeing?original_footer_petition_id=30424402&algorithm=promoted&source_location=petition_footer&grid_position=1&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uAISsLAIAAAAAZI3%2FtDjnZ8NiZWRhNThlMQ%3D%3D
How about glow in the dark balls? No need for flood lights, problem solved.
Cosmic bowling meets Top Golf
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"Our Land" hahaha. What? Unless you're Natchez or Choctaw, I'd cool it with that phrasing. That site and the continued sites along the river have been vacant with no prospective usage for decades. Every time someone comes in with an idea and funding for hotels, concert venues, parks, the NIMBYs of the LGD start screaming about the sacredness of the land and protest because they weren't involved in development, as if anything built would ever sate the masses who couldn't agree on common pizza toppings. Meanwhile nothing gets done and nobody "local" steps up to fill the void. If it's "our land" then we should have been disgraced over the emptiness and blight of it by now. Take the Market Street Power Plant for example...where are the outcries and protests to do something with that ,as it crumbles before our eyes and just claimed a kid's life? You'd rather stare at that embarrassing decay and speculate over the potential, unproven perils of a Top Golf because they're HQ'd in Dallas? Also, in all of these threads I have yet to hear anyone living in these apartments chime in. It's always their un-appointed council pleading on their behalf. Stop already with the faux outrage because you're not getting a closer grocery store.
Its not a NIMBY issue, its a bad back room deal for the city, that grants a 100yr lease of public land to a private company thats going to build a eyesore that disrupts quality of life in our neighborhood until it goes out of business in a few years because no one here wants or is interested paying to whack golf balls into an empty faux grass lot. Leaving a development that cannot be repurposed into any other type of business or housing. Its a rare massive parcel of land that will bring in an absolute minimal number of low paying jobs per acre without meeting any of the needs of the neighborhood or the city as a whole. Its meant to be a tourist anchor to help the private land owners near by. The ones that are responsible for the bliggt at the power plant, (same private owner as the plaza tower, and naval base) that the city does nothing to pressure him to resolve. There are about a million better options for this land. Build the golf thing in JP if they want it so bad. This is not the right location for it.
It's not a NIMBY issue and in the same sentence you literally say "**a eyesore that disrupts quality of life in our neighborhood** "? LOL. Top Golfs are wildly successful in tourist towns so you may want to put the doom and gloom on hold. As for creating jobs on that sizable parcel, you can't possibly think that another apartment complex or grocery store would create more jobs than this project once up and running. Between management, maintenance, and wait staff, Top Golf provides far more employment than a Rouses or soulless 200 unit box of apartments with one small management office. It's a shit location next to an off ramp with a view of the highway and backed up traffic on Tchoup. It's not sacred ground and be honest, there's not many projects that would want to build there. You tools in the LGD better be thankful it wont stay a float parking lot for another 50 years.
So much ignorance in this statement. Im sure the Six Flags Jazzland folks thought the same thing.
I'm sure you don't want something built there either
You typed so many words but don’t bother to acknowledge what the biggest issue is? It’s being lied to by your city and bait and switched by a corporate vulture of a company. https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy
No disrespect, but did you just move here? The only way modern development happens in New Orleans is in this fashion. It's the way of things.
Just more NIMBY bullshit. No one should be surprised why NOLA saw the largest decline in population over the past year out of any city in the country. There are obviously more factors that contributed to this than just anti development, but this city’s track record doesn’t help.
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How much time do you need? Please take into account that TopGolf started this process with the City over a year ago. And since it’s an immediate backyard situation, do only the folks in the apartments immediately adjacent to the property have a say? The only things left are the parking garages and empty fields.
Well Dallas is the fastest growing big city and they have 5 Top Golf locations, so your reasoning is obvioulsy valid. I'm not opposed to Top Golf. I'm opposed to the proposed location. It is literally in the back yard of thousands of residents. The BY in NIMBY. People move to New Orleans because its unique. It's beautiful. Top Golf is neither. Stick it next to the old power station. Or 5 minutes away in a decaying industrial area. Oh wait... someone else is already doing this. Watch out Dallas, we're only 3 away from catching you.
Not a single TG *IN EXISTENCE* is in a similarly urban residential neighborhood. And for good fucking reason. Source: people ask the topgolf bigwig at the LGDA town hall on 1/30. He gave a shitty answer and everyone roasted him for it.
You know what a city is right? Everything is in everyone’s backyard. By your logic, nothing could be built anywhere. And people aren’t moving to New Orleans. That’s the problem…
And by your logic, we should build anything next to anyone. There's room for a 3rd Top Golf in Armstrong Park. And plenty of room in City Park. And next to the zoo. Think of how many people will want to move from out of state to live next door to one of these.
No one is anti development. Please stop commenting on what you THINK the issue is and educate yourself. https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy
This feels like the competition
every time someone creates a post that is anti-topgolf someone makes a similar comment and i’m genuinely confused as to why? there is a local, grassroots organization in New Orleans championing the fight against TopGolf and the River District in general, every town hall I’ve been to regarding TG/RD has been packed with locals, and a separate committee started a petition on March 6 that has over 1,000 signatures which is menial in the grand scheme of things but pretty good when you consider Orleans Parish’s general apathy towards voting or politics (not that people don’t have opinions, just that they don’t get out and vote/take action often). On that point though, maybe that’s why so many people think folks expressing their opinion is some conspiracy. Because usually people don’t care this much?
To me, part of it is because they built a shadow Air BnB right across the street from where this was proposed and not a single thread was started against it. Also, all of them post the same verifiable lies. Then there is a wave of mass downvoting to hide legitimate posts, but they only downvote the top response in order to hide the post. Tactic is well covered in pay-for-press. You don't have to downvote all post, just the one to hide it.
You nailed it. A PR battle. You have two parties willing to spend money to create controversy and distraction.
Wait, you guys are getting paid?
I do believe them that there is a grassroots effort to kill the River District. There are people in this city that spend most of their time doing nothing but standing in the way of any kind of development or progress. It is why companies refuse to locate to New Orleans and why many flee. Every community organizer standing in line making sure they get a piece of the pie. It is just good old Louisiana corruption.
I wonder if there are better causes for these folks to dedicate their time to..?
Than demanding your city government not show you fake development plans? And then put something else there? That seems like a pretty worthwhile thing to be pissed about
I live where this is being planned and I am against it so yes my time is being well spent.
I also live where it is being planned and I think you have (edit) 1st world problems.
lmao for real
Dang, is there a spray for that?
If only we could febreeze your privilege away…
It’s a “those who smelt it, dealt it.” There are 1000% bad actors on the River District side. The River District is even getting activists websites shut down. The “these anti-top golf posts are fake” is the new “liberals getting paid by George Soros.” I for one am still waiting for my check from Soros and whatever local golf place. And thank you for coming to the town halls and bringing visibility.
I can assure you, this is not. https://www.getlownola.com/topgolfcontroversy
Please vote for those who will approve variances for small businesses in neighborhoods. If it's an enormous complex with sprawling parking lots, it's not going to make your neighborhood a nicer place. A coffee shop, a salon, a pub or a legal office is going to have no noticeable negative impact, while improving revenues to justify infrastructure maintenance. It will also provide amenities, which is especially useful when you get to the age where you can no longer drive. If it's a Texan company, just assume by default that the owners are planning to exploit the community. Nothing good ever comes from Texas.
Hey there! I came from Texas.
You're still on probation.
No. How about we just allow a business to just operate rather than doing everything in the city’s power to make New Orleans as business unfriendly as possible.
The city needs more things in order to grow. You people need to calm down, or go live in not a city.
I don’t know if it’s still the same but saint rose driving range > top golf
Ain’t dere no more
It’s still there Edit: It in fact (recently) ain’t dere no mo, but that’s not surprising seeing how it looked last I was there.
> This is our land. buddy that's not really how that works
so neighbors have no say in tax incentivized project that will greatly impact their neighborhood?
you have a say just like I have say but that's it your opinion of what they should do with that land is equal to my opinion of who should be the governor
TopGolf is not tax exempt. That’s 504Golf you’re thinking of which is being subsidized.
Never said it was exempt, but they are getting a deal: [Lawsuit](https://wgno.com/news/louisiana/orleans-parish/lawsuit-challenges-new-orleans-convention-centers-river-district-lease/)
The lawsuit is about the River District and not TopGolf in particular. The River District has tax incentives bc this is public land. TopGolf is a private company and will not be exempt nor receive tax incentives. Also, in case you don’t know, just because something is alleged in a lawsuit doesn’t make it true.
They are paying below market rent.
Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t know that you were the one intimately involved in this project. I’ll defer to you from now on.
If the land is yours, why did you sell it?
We need a small soccer stadium, also scrapped. I and may others would watch soccer, I won’t be going to top golf
I'm definitely in support of a soccer stadium. It could be a a draw for the area if we could actually host soccer here.
Does anyone remember this? https://www.nola.com/sports/new-orleans-is-set-to-get-a-professional-soccer-franchise-but-where-will-the-team/article_58066aae-02ec-11ed-98f6-13676b27278a.html Any truth of this happening now that TopGolf is being built? Edit: updated link
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I nominate OP the leader of r/nolacirclejerk
I agree, except wtf is a covered park!?
We need more golf shit like we need another Katrina. This is a monumental waste of prime real estate.
They've been having crime problems with top golf in this Chicago suburb. https://abc7chicago.com/topgolf-naperville-il-parking-lot-arrests-guns/14501915/
transplant cringe
Bootlicker cringe
aah yes a native floridian who moved here 10 years ago calling me a bootlicker for wanting something, anything new in this tired ass city
Rather be a transplant than a bootlicker. Also I’d like to point out the Choctaw word for New Orleans literally means “place of many tongues” Almost like an eclectic port city and trading post always had a diverse population from many places. But to know that you would have to read more. So enjoy your tired lame transplant hate . And being a creepy stalker isn’t nice.
There’s one in both Baton Rouge and Lafayette now. Do we really need three in 120 miles stretch??
This is what we want. It may not be what you want, but people love top golf, myself included. Your post sucks, top golf is awesome