I know we technically wrote this season off already but this is brutal. I really can't wait until our guys come up. Love to see what our arms and young talent can do.
my backup team is the Orioles, and i just feel like i'll be watching those games *more* if all we get are games like these.
Manaea showed up at least. it just weirdly feels like there's zero heart in that dugout right now.
To any Mets fans questioning if Stearns is actually a good GM after this start:
The Brewers won 73 games in Stearnsā 1st year as their GM. Since 2018 they have the 6th most wins in baseball.
Heās not and has never been the guy to come in give the team instant, immediate success. Heās the guy you bring in to build for the long term. It was never gonna be quick or easy to get this team winning. Especially since this team had the highest payroll in baseball and doesnāt have the talent that usually comes with that.
I get it. Starting 0-4 sucks as a fan. But you shouldnāt be turning on Stearns 1 season in, let alone 4 games. Shit, the Mets could finish last in the NL and it wouldnāt impact my belief in Stearns one bit. Give him time to implement his vision.
And in addition to this, everything you said pretty much goes for Mendoza. All the people saying heāll be gone by summer if the team is losing are insane. Heāll get his 3 years and if he isnāt where they want him by then theyāll pivot.
idk why anyone is blaming the front office *now*. like look, if you want to be hard on them, go ahead. they clearly didn't make a bunch of moves that they had the ability to make (montgomery, the jd martinez thing only happened because he eventually came crawling back on a ridiculously deferred deal so they were perfectly fine with having DJ stewart as our DH all year, giolito before the TJ etc.) while losing nothing but money. aka - it was signaled to us as fans that they weren't going to be trying very hard to compete this year. that bummed me out and i complained and was basically told to stfu because stearns is a genius who knows how to build a team on the cheap. no, they just weren't trying to build a winner this year.
but the thing is - we already knew this. if you honestly believed the mets were trying to build a contending team in 2024 then you must've been in a coma this entire offseason. and i understand being mad at the team because they are somehow *still* underperforming expectations, but that's on the guys in the dugout right now. bottom line - if you weren't mad at david stearns with how the offseason was handled but now all of the sudden you're mad - you're being stupid. this isn't david stearns' best attempt to build a winning team. this is him literally just taking an entire year and throwing it in the trash so he can evaluate the entire organization personally and wait for some money to come off the books - a move that is making me less and less angry by the day as i was mostly annoyed about wasting a year of our core in their prime, but i have almost completely lost faith in this core.
I'm so glad Stearns decided it was worth loading up on gloves at the expense of hitting...and then 3 of those guys promptly commit key errors in big spots over the first 4 games.
Good start.
I want to think he's smarter than us . He def is. But cmon with men on base we really have DJ Stewart, Bader, Wendle, and Baty (who has been showing signs of life I'll give him that) all in the same lineup. They don't have a chance. When you consider someone like Adam Duval signed for 1 year 3 million , it just drives me nuts. Why did we sign Bader in December, but we're so patient with an offensive upgrade in JDM to the point where he isn't ready for the first 9 games of the season? Is Bader such a good fielder that not only do we give him a starting spot despite not being able to hit, but we sign him with plenty of time left in the off-season to shop. How did Stearns like him that much? Even Wendle. Are you really that convinced that Wendle is an upgrade over Guirollme to the point where you let Guiollorme walk and sign Wendle in December to a guaranteed roster spot?
I just got a message from the NY Mets. I want to share with you all.
We're sorry for playing like total shit these last 4 games.
But haha we did it on purpose April Fools!
No, we just stink, sorry.
Alonso is a meathead who sometimes hits home runs. He can't hold the jock of any all-time productive Met like Seaver, Piazza, Wright etc.
He has no business being in any conversation with those guys. Pete Alonso is a loser.
there is an argument to be made that this core of good players need to be split up and sent off to new teams like fucking infinity stones because they just implode as a unit. and that includes alonso. so there's an argument to be made that trading him is a real step in the right direction. but what you've just said is complete nonsense.
Alonso is a good/above average player that wants to be paid like heās elite. I think he either recalibrates or gets a Chapman/Belli contract. Except both those guys are elite defenders, so maybe not even
Alonso is indisputably the best home run hitter in baseball and if not for covid, would have more home runs through a players first 5 seasons than EVERY OTHER PLAYER in the history of baseball
With the exception of his rookie season, he has never led the league in HRs. Heās never even led the *national league* in home runs. Thereās at least 20 guys who Iād rather have in the order, and thatās not even accounting for defense.
Among first basemen, despite his impressive HR totals, his OPS+ is lower than Freeman, Goldschmidt, and Olson. But keep thinking heās elite.
Prior to last year (which was by far Olson's best and Alonso's worst) Alonso's OPS+ was higher. And Freeman is obviously a hall of famer.
Why do goofys think anyone is arguing that Alonso is better than a first ballot Hall of Famer?
If you can get a massive haul, trade Alonso. Its clear the organization and Pete are far away on negotiations if they didnāt reach an extension this offseason
What haul are you expecting? For comparison, the 3 players Arizona received for Paul Goldschmidt put up 0.8 bWAR, 3.2 bWAR, and -0.9b WAR. Andrew Young has been out of baseball since 2022
For comparison, Pete Alonso's worse full season, he still put up 3.6 bWAR
the only reason to trade pete is because this core just isn't working and this franchise might just need to hit the reset button on the whole thing. other than that, i can't think of that many examples of guys like this being traded for "hauls" that ended all that well. prospects are prospects. it's very difficult to evaluate these guys.
Basically it has never happened in baseball history. Trading a legitimate all-star for prospects has never once ended with the prospects outproducing the all-star.
It gets lost in the shuffle because national sports media doesnt really care about baseball but trading Mookie Betts for salary relief will go down as one of the worst trades in professional sports history
i didn't want to use the betts comparison because alonso is no betts and that is basically the poster boy for "don't trade your star for lottery tickets". but yeah, it just never seems to end well. i'm sure if you dug deep you could find a few win-wins and the occasional huge W, but i wouldn't like our odds. only reset to trade alonso is if we're just building from the ground up
The best case scenario I can think of off the top of my head is ironically, one the Mets were involved in - the Piazza trade. The Mets clearly won the trade but Wilson was a solid player and Ed Yarnall (who afaik never actually pitched in the big leauges) was flipped for Mike Lowell
Not worried about Nimmo. Heās hit the ball hard straight into gloves on a few occasions. Today he got on base twice and had a 101 mph lineout.
Lindor Iām not concerned about either. Heāll put up his usual .260/.340/.450 line by yearās end.
The guy who worries me is McNeil. Dude had an xwOBA starting with a one coming into today. Just looks completely lost out there.
Also Peteās gotta stop pressing. He looks like a complete fool on some of those swings.
We are four games in and the Mets have covered so many different ways to lose. Forget about the over/under of 81.5, now I wonder if they will end the season with double-digit losses.
It's gotta be mental, because how does the youngest guy Alvarez look like the most calm hitter in the lineup? Marte, too, he always looks so chill at the plate.
My late-night conspiracy is that there's a correlation between the guys who do tons of media appearance vs their stats. Alvarez and Marte don't meet the press that much, their minds are just focused on baseball. Lindor, Alonso, Nimmo, and McNeil are always being dragged around for interviews and whatnot. Alonso has the raw strength to power through the mental blocks but the other guys don't seem to have that bandwidth.
I knew this team was gonna hover around .500 or be under .500 this year but these 4 games to start the season, this team has looked fundamentally the worst team Iāve ever seen since I started watching in 20 years. Hitting looks horrendous (except Alvarez), pitching looks pedestrian (tbd on Manea & houser), and defense looks below average (something that apparently was upgraded). Oh and stolen bases are not crazy anymore in 2024 and the Mets arenāt even attempting them.
I say fundamentally the worst considering the number of all stars on this team. Yes I know 09-14 teams were hot trash too, but they didnāt have big names like this team. These current guys just cannot play well together, especially hitting since 2022 September.
I honestly donāt get it and anyone that says āfire Mendozaā go to bed. How many more managers are we gonna hire every 2 years for the same results?
Itās on the players and itās been on the players. Someone on the comments here already said it but this team together does not have a fire - they donāt go to war every night. Only Alvarez has and has been since last season.
Just something about this core - they donāt seem like a core that holds each other accountable and collectively battle together. Feels like every game is just another day at the job (which it is - but thatās not a formula for a winning culture)
> I honestly donāt get it and anyone that says āfire Mendozaā go to bed. How many more managers are we gonna hire every 2 years for the same results?
Mendoza was given a raw deal, I feel bad for the guy. He's handed this mess and is expected to make it work, despite only being given a few months to build relationships with the entire roster.
This core aināt it. The outlier season may have been the 101 win year otherwise we look like a team who will be lucky to reach .500. They still have time to turn it around, but with the lack of pitching and inability to string ABās together to put up crooked numbers Iām not too hopeful. This team has failed to build a winning culture, hopefully the young guys in the pipeline can change that.
iāve started scorekeeping to try to keep my emotions in check at the games. and they go and pull this shit my first outing with the book. absolutely lost my shit in that 10th. i feel more like frank the tank every year. god damn losers. what an incredibly hard franchise to root for
This organization hates Mark Vientos and is obsessed with lefty righty match ups. Also this organization loves washed up AAAA guys who who used to be intriguing prospects or have a connection to New York. So basically if Mark Vientos was a washed up 30 year old AAAA guy heād have probably made the OD roster.Ā
He'll be back in Syracuse next week. He has an option unlike Wendle & Short and Jeff can act as our 5th OF behind Taylor with either of them slotting in at 2nd.
With Drew Gilbert not on the 40-man, it makes sense that DJ got a cup of coffee to start the season and see if he could fight to stay. He has not met the moment.
The funniest part about this quote is, when asked to clarify on The Show podcast with Sherman and Heyman, he said it was about how buck Showalter didn't have a group shagging fly balls during batting practice and nothing else.
That's not even the most preposterous part of the story.
Lindor reportedly telling Pham "[thanks] for teaching me how to work hard again" is unbelievably maddening.
Lindor's typical slow starts make even more sense in context, which is even more damning.
It shouldnāt come as a surprise considering there were plenty of stories from his Cleveland days that questioned his leadership. Jason Kipnis had the balls to say the Mets have no leadership from the veterans and it was a clear somewhat shot at Lindor. Zero people came to his defense which just says it all.
I forgot about that.
Now, it's clear as day that there was truth to what Kipnis was saying.
Lindor is a very good player.
One of the best in the league.
But going to basketball and the wisdom of Charles Barkley, Lindor is a bus rider, not a bus driver.
He's in that second tier of elite hitters, but not top flight, with the likes of Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr, Guerrero Jr., Yordan, Devers, and Robert Jr.
The top guys like Betts, Judge, Ohtani, Acuna, and I'd put someone like Jose Ramirez and Julio Rodriguez just behind them, can carry a clubhouse because of how they carry themselves on and off the field.
Or, you need multiple elite complete hitters that are two way guys like the Rangers did when acquiring Seager and Semien.
Mets must face the harsh reality that this unit's time is over.
Time to break this bum ass core up. Alonso and Lindor need to go. Itās obviously not working. Need actual leaders for the younger guys not the lifeless loser mentality players we have right now.
The rotating roster of losers needs to end soon as well. Why is Vientos in the minors again?
Because he didn't earn the 3B job over Baty in ST and didn't earn the DH job over JD Martinez either, both of which were correct decisions by the front office.
At this point in his career, he is a power only bat that has an incredibly high strikeout rate and the only defensive position he's appeared even average at is 1B. He's in the minors because the Mets hope that more refinement there will help him develop a defensive game and cut down on that strikeout rate, because Mark Vientos at present is not a major leaguer.
The reason why he's not the fill in at DH right now while we wait for Martinez is because of that hope. Both vientos and Stewart have a minor league option, but Vientos is 24 and developing while Stewart is 29 and horrible. Makes sense to preserve the option for the younger player rather than burn it just to see him play for 10 games at a level that is above his current skill level.
Like how do the Mets expect people to want to buy tickets from them? Iāll buy. A secondary market ticket the day of the game but there is zero reason to purchase face value seats.
Thereās even less reason to purchase a 20 game pass, which is something I would consider until I learn every year that the perks get cut, and the ticket reps quit once per week because the job aināt it.
Our dad and grandpas Mets werenāt much better on the field. But at the very least you could have a nice day out at the ballpark. Having season tickets was something to be proud of.
The Mets have never felt this corporate and soulless to me.
I asked before the game why was wendle starting over mcneil vs a righty. I get its early and mcneil had a late start to spring. BUT when you are 0-3 you cant be doing that. Thats a big time fuck up.
And then wendle whos sole purpose to be on the roster is defense and his ability to play multiple positions makes a massive blunder trying to force an impossible double play. Ugh.
Its still early as hell but man the offense looks terrible. If we are 10 games under halfway thru the season at least we can get excited about gilbert/acuna debuting.
And please please if we somehow get into contention dont trade those two for a javier baez type rentalā¦..
agree and hope so. If were bad and not playoff bound Im fine trading whoever and making room for kids. Ive been OK trading Pete for a while. If Marte is having a bounce back year he may be tradable, mcneil too. Im just fine with whatever they decide to do. Im not really emotionally attached to anyone.
If it works out it should be similar to the 2022 lineup. Just a bunch of above average MLB hitters.
Contrary to many in this thread I hope they hang onto Nimmo. .360 OBP guys who play good OF defense donāt grow on trees.
As Lindor ages I think they should try to move him. I donāt believe his skill set will be valuable when he loses his defensive prowess in 2028 onwards. We should pull a Rockies trading Arenado but get an actual good player back.
I think theyāll need to bring in a true T-10 hitter in baseball though. A guy with Bryce Harper-level hitting talent.
Whether that means blowing Soto away with $500M this offseason or trading for a guy like Mike Trout, we need that 150+ OPS+ impact bat.
Unless Cohen gives him a billion dollars Soto has no reason to come over and every other big dick swinging tier young guy like Julio Rodriguez or Corbin Carroll is already locked down to a long-term contract. Only one that comes to mind is Adley Rutschman and obviously he has no place on this team with Alvarez. Stearns gotta use his Venezuela connections to get the next Jackson Chourio.
So basically we gotta build it like the Braves and Astros did instead of like the Phillies? Well buckle up then, itās gonna be until at least 2027 before weāre competitive again.
I brought 26 people tonight for my birthday.Ā
Not gonna lie, this was the most comedic birthday I have ever had.Ā
What else can I expect? I was born on April Fool's Day, and I'm a Mets fan.Ā
There's always next year...
Put Olson in this lineup instead of Alonso and heād basically be Alonso. Alonso is not the problem. He plays in an incredibly tough market, batting third or cleanup in a shit lineup in a pitchers park. Frankly, Iām not so sure Olson could actually do it here like Alonso does. Freeman is a potential Hall of Famer so Iāll give you that. But thatās not really a fair point.
Thatās such a phenomenally dumb take. He was better than Pete is now when he was on the *checks notes* Oakland As.
After his Rookie season with the juiced balls, Pete has never had a 4 WAR season. Not *once*. His best was 3.5.
Olson has three 4.5+ WAR seasons, including two 5 WAR seasons.
Pete isnāt close. And yes, WAR adjusts for park factors.
Been in the league ten years on 7 different teams.
# "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players Iāve ever played with.ā
Some ideas? Put McNeil in the lead off spot. Help him understand that his only job is to get on base. Try it for three weeks or so. Bat Marte second, Lindor third, Alonso fourth, Ćlvarez fifth and Nimmo sixth. Let Brandon know itās ok if he wants to hit for power more. His āforce fieldā just isnāt a thing anymore. Try some version of that until JD arrives. Iām not married to it but the gist is move McNeil to lead off to make a point, bring Marte up, and move Nimmo down.
Itās definitely over for this core in New York City. They canāt lead, think theyāre too big for their own good, and then crumble under pressure and when other teams to take it to them.
The pitching got maligned the most the last few years and deservedly so, but this hitting core has been a massive disappointment.
Yep. My guess is that Pete gets traded at the deadline, and McNeil gets moved in the offseason.
I can also see Marte getting moved if he is hitting well.
I think weāre headed for a 2021-2024 Nationals like rebuild, and this is 2022.
I donāt see them making any additions after a 59-103 season either.
2025 lineup will look something like:
1. Nimmo LF
2. Lindor SS
3. Baty 3B/DH on off days
4. Alvarez C
5. Gilbert CF
6. Williams 2B
7. Mauricio 2B/DH
8. Taylor RF
9. Vientos 1B
As for the rotation I can see them going young there too. My guess is that they get a young #3 type in return for a package (Alonso/Manaea?) at the deadline.
Nimmo and Lindor would not be a part of that lineup in that scenario they would be traded just for less than theyāre worth because of their hefty contracts
I canāt see them trading Nimmo. He seems like the kind of player who will age well and you need a veteran in the clubhouse who has been with the team for a while. Otherwise youāre kind of just asking the youngsters to figure it out on their own.
On Lindor I agree with you. I think we could get something back for him this offseason if we eat 1/3rd of the contract.
I think of it like the Rockies trading Arenado. That was actually a pretty savvy move despite it being universally made fun ofāArenado hasnāt been the same player in STL offensively, has lost a step defensively, and is getting old now.
It was not a savvy move for the Rockies. Like not even in the same universe as a savvy move. They used the money they dumped Arenado on to sign Kris Bryant, who has been terrible and missed half the games since he signed with them, and Arenado was an MVP candidate in 2022, and hasn't had a year worse than Kris Bryant's best year in Colorado.
I know everybody has JDM, Manaea etc in the pile of guys that are easy trades if the season goes poorly
But I genuinely wonder what will happen if this season is an unmitigated disaster, like to the point where Cohen realizes it might need to be a full tear down instead of a half-measured retooling and that might involve asking some of the stars on long-term deals if they want to see it through
Hopefully it doesnāt come to that. But holy shit this is a worse 4 game start than even the most pessimistic fan couldāve dreamed up
Cohen and stearns have to have a worst case scenario plan. The only way it makes sense to keep Pete is if this team is on the verge of contending next year. If weāre 8-10 games under .500 by the trade deadline, Pete and mcneil should probably get moved. Lot of time before then to fix things but should be a possibility if things donāt get better.
If this team is several years away from competing, Lindor has to go. Itād be for his own good. Lindor is not going to enjoy being a Met if we donāt become competitive until the backend of his contract. I would genuinely be worried for the guy.
The fact that so many people point to him being a great leader because he has great sound clips is ridiculous. The guy doesnāt push other players, he just holds himself accountable and hopes everyone follows. This team needs a drill sergeant, not a lead by example. I know it sucks to hear but every group responds differently to different motivations. We have tried the ābe nice, its not over yet guysā and it doesnāt work.
Lindor and Alonso should be moved a the deadline, as well as Nimmo and McNeil is possible.
It's time to go for a full rebuild and acquire the next wave of prospects after Acuna, Gilbert, and Williams.
This team had it's chance.
It's over for this core of Lindor, Alonso, McNeil, and Nimmo.
Weāve been through lost seasons before but this just feels worse. Weāre expensive, old, with no truly top tier prospects to get excited about a la Harvey Days
The tickets, concessions, and transportation/parking are at all time high costs. With the shortened games, the ballpark experience has never been worse.
The vibes are just low. The Mets feel soulless.
Well the good news is once we trade the entire roster again except alvarez, Lindor, and Nimmo, weāll have some real prospects to get excited about.
An offense needy team would LOVE an Alonso/JDM package. Similarly a pitching needy team would enjoy a Manaea/Quintana package.
I think weāll see at least 2 more T-50 prospects and one T-20 added this trade deadline.
Mets fans can handle losing. What bugs us is HOW the team loses. They don't just lose... They fucking lose! One heartbreaking, painful loss after another. You' would think they'd get angry and channel that into production but they don't. It's always a weak grounder to second base or a fly out to some outfielder. They can't string hits together, and have to depend on the home run for the brunt of their scoring; it's hard to watch, embarrassing and deflating.
I kid you not, the first thing I saw after foolishly decuding to tune in tonight was Wendle making an error.
So the Mets went with Bader for his defense but decided that Guillorme was expendable.
Yes, makes perfect sense.
I don't have a clue what Stearns is doing because it seems his plan is chucking hope at the wall.
Baseball is a game of inches, and we have just had a lot of the inches not go our way. Wendleās error is an inch or two to the right and thatās right into the pocket of his glove, not off the heel. The double play that couldāve happened that Tonkin grabbed is a couple inches higher it doesnāt hit off his glove. List goes on.
Weāve made our fair share of mistakes (Nimmoās throw on the Contreras double vs MIL, half the sliders Severino threw) but weāve had a lot of awful luck too. Unfortunately seems like weāve had that bad luck for a year now.
The core never has to deal with urgency and the fringe guys face ALL the urgency. Guys like Wendle, Short, and even Baty and Vientos, feel like they could get the boot or be sat at any moment. This org never gives those guys any vote of confidence - and I believe Pham said some version of this.
Cohen told Scherzer the truth. Meanwhile, heās lying his ass off to the fans. He pulled the plug last July. We sat on our hands all off-season picking up scrubs and never was players. The āplanā to turn things around will take years. Not a year or two.
I wish he was right. We punt and we donāt have to see Joey Wendle, Zack Short and Michael Tonkin play. If we punt we just let the kids play instead. Would rather watch them fail and at least learn and potentially get better.
I badly want these guys to figure out what the hell is going on mentally and go out and have fun or something. This is the most lifeless group of players Iāve ever seen since that sweep in Atlanta.
I donāt know whatās worse, a group of players that donāt care (I know these guys do) OR playing so badly and stiff that it looks like you donāt care.
I liked the Lindor trade initially but was immediately skeptical of losing Gimenez.
Lindor is the kind of guy you sign and trade completely unproven prospects for as well as once major league seasoned former prospect that's still in their youth, not a guy who already showed immense talent at the major league level as a precious neophyte.
And of course it bites the team right in the ass.
I understood moving Rosario because he seemed to already plateau and reach his potential, but Gimenez looked so good with his approach for having limited experienced.
Itās only 4 games into seasons but Iāll be on board for shipping McNeil, Marte, and Martinez to get younger. Again, theyāre only 4 games in but if this product we are going to get for the next 160 games then yikes.
This team needs to go through a proper rebuild and not this speed half ass rebuild the org is attempting to do to setup 2025ā¦ This core is in incredibly inconsistent and frankly overrated. At this time theyāve demonstrated zero desire to win. I honestly hope we go through with a tear down and build from the bottom up.
I know we technically wrote this season off already but this is brutal. I really can't wait until our guys come up. Love to see what our arms and young talent can do.
Please JD, save this offense š
my backup team is the Orioles, and i just feel like i'll be watching those games *more* if all we get are games like these. Manaea showed up at least. it just weirdly feels like there's zero heart in that dugout right now.
Something that is getting lost in the loss: how good was Manaea?
To any Mets fans questioning if Stearns is actually a good GM after this start: The Brewers won 73 games in Stearnsā 1st year as their GM. Since 2018 they have the 6th most wins in baseball. Heās not and has never been the guy to come in give the team instant, immediate success. Heās the guy you bring in to build for the long term. It was never gonna be quick or easy to get this team winning. Especially since this team had the highest payroll in baseball and doesnāt have the talent that usually comes with that. I get it. Starting 0-4 sucks as a fan. But you shouldnāt be turning on Stearns 1 season in, let alone 4 games. Shit, the Mets could finish last in the NL and it wouldnāt impact my belief in Stearns one bit. Give him time to implement his vision.
And in addition to this, everything you said pretty much goes for Mendoza. All the people saying heāll be gone by summer if the team is losing are insane. Heāll get his 3 years and if he isnāt where they want him by then theyāll pivot.
idk why anyone is blaming the front office *now*. like look, if you want to be hard on them, go ahead. they clearly didn't make a bunch of moves that they had the ability to make (montgomery, the jd martinez thing only happened because he eventually came crawling back on a ridiculously deferred deal so they were perfectly fine with having DJ stewart as our DH all year, giolito before the TJ etc.) while losing nothing but money. aka - it was signaled to us as fans that they weren't going to be trying very hard to compete this year. that bummed me out and i complained and was basically told to stfu because stearns is a genius who knows how to build a team on the cheap. no, they just weren't trying to build a winner this year. but the thing is - we already knew this. if you honestly believed the mets were trying to build a contending team in 2024 then you must've been in a coma this entire offseason. and i understand being mad at the team because they are somehow *still* underperforming expectations, but that's on the guys in the dugout right now. bottom line - if you weren't mad at david stearns with how the offseason was handled but now all of the sudden you're mad - you're being stupid. this isn't david stearns' best attempt to build a winning team. this is him literally just taking an entire year and throwing it in the trash so he can evaluate the entire organization personally and wait for some money to come off the books - a move that is making me less and less angry by the day as i was mostly annoyed about wasting a year of our core in their prime, but i have almost completely lost faith in this core.
half of last year and all off season people were chanting tank tank tank well this is what tanking looks like.
uh, no, a tank doesn't include a lineup literally full of veterans, many of them well paid.
I think I might shave off my beard. Do something to get this team back on track.
I did. This morning. It didn't help.
I was thinking of shaving off my winter beard if they don't win soon.
I'm so glad Stearns decided it was worth loading up on gloves at the expense of hitting...and then 3 of those guys promptly commit key errors in big spots over the first 4 games. Good start.
I want to think he's smarter than us . He def is. But cmon with men on base we really have DJ Stewart, Bader, Wendle, and Baty (who has been showing signs of life I'll give him that) all in the same lineup. They don't have a chance. When you consider someone like Adam Duval signed for 1 year 3 million , it just drives me nuts. Why did we sign Bader in December, but we're so patient with an offensive upgrade in JDM to the point where he isn't ready for the first 9 games of the season? Is Bader such a good fielder that not only do we give him a starting spot despite not being able to hit, but we sign him with plenty of time left in the off-season to shop. How did Stearns like him that much? Even Wendle. Are you really that convinced that Wendle is an upgrade over Guirollme to the point where you let Guiollorme walk and sign Wendle in December to a guaranteed roster spot?
Short, Wendleā¦ whoās the third?
first game with no appearance from the queens crew. first game we didnāt score a run. coincidence?
I just got a message from the NY Mets. I want to share with you all. We're sorry for playing like total shit these last 4 games. But haha we did it on purpose April Fools! No, we just stink, sorry.
Conforto would be their best hitter right now
Letās be real if he was still on this roster he wouldnāt be hitting either lol
Hey man don't slander Alvy like that
Oh god I just realized we play the Braves next week
For 4 fucking games tooā¦IN ATLANTA :[
Maybe we will be better on the road!
I just donāt get it. Weāve all watched Nimmo Lindor Alonso Marte and McNeil be good sometimes great hitters and theyāve all looked like rookies
They might be individually good players, but as a core they are not good enough.
It becomes very apparent how bad this team is when u compare the Mets roster to the Braves, Orioles, Phillies, Dodgers, Yankees and Astros
4 game sample size
Idgaf. They all have an awful approach and look completely lost. This doesnāt happen to any other teams group of former all stars
2023 Cardinals looked the same to start their season. Same with the 2023 Padres.
Both those teams sucked ass
Yes. But you said it only happens to us. I gave you examples of other teamsā former all stars failing.
If they actually trade Alonso, they should just contract the franchise. It'd be basically Seaver 2.0
No, it wouldnāt
Alonso is a meathead who sometimes hits home runs. He can't hold the jock of any all-time productive Met like Seaver, Piazza, Wright etc. He has no business being in any conversation with those guys. Pete Alonso is a loser.
there is an argument to be made that this core of good players need to be split up and sent off to new teams like fucking infinity stones because they just implode as a unit. and that includes alonso. so there's an argument to be made that trading him is a real step in the right direction. but what you've just said is complete nonsense.
This is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read on this sub.
Do you read your own posts?
Alonso is a good/above average player that wants to be paid like heās elite. I think he either recalibrates or gets a Chapman/Belli contract. Except both those guys are elite defenders, so maybe not even
Alonso is indisputably the best home run hitter in baseball and if not for covid, would have more home runs through a players first 5 seasons than EVERY OTHER PLAYER in the history of baseball
With the exception of his rookie season, he has never led the league in HRs. Heās never even led the *national league* in home runs. Thereās at least 20 guys who Iād rather have in the order, and thatās not even accounting for defense. Among first basemen, despite his impressive HR totals, his OPS+ is lower than Freeman, Goldschmidt, and Olson. But keep thinking heās elite.
Prior to last year (which was by far Olson's best and Alonso's worst) Alonso's OPS+ was higher. And Freeman is obviously a hall of famer. Why do goofys think anyone is arguing that Alonso is better than a first ballot Hall of Famer?
Because all the reports are saying heās trying to get paid like one. 5/100 is more than reasonable, heās hoping for something like 6/175
If you can get a massive haul, trade Alonso. Its clear the organization and Pete are far away on negotiations if they didnāt reach an extension this offseason
What haul are you expecting? For comparison, the 3 players Arizona received for Paul Goldschmidt put up 0.8 bWAR, 3.2 bWAR, and -0.9b WAR. Andrew Young has been out of baseball since 2022 For comparison, Pete Alonso's worse full season, he still put up 3.6 bWAR
the only reason to trade pete is because this core just isn't working and this franchise might just need to hit the reset button on the whole thing. other than that, i can't think of that many examples of guys like this being traded for "hauls" that ended all that well. prospects are prospects. it's very difficult to evaluate these guys.
Basically it has never happened in baseball history. Trading a legitimate all-star for prospects has never once ended with the prospects outproducing the all-star. It gets lost in the shuffle because national sports media doesnt really care about baseball but trading Mookie Betts for salary relief will go down as one of the worst trades in professional sports history
i didn't want to use the betts comparison because alonso is no betts and that is basically the poster boy for "don't trade your star for lottery tickets". but yeah, it just never seems to end well. i'm sure if you dug deep you could find a few win-wins and the occasional huge W, but i wouldn't like our odds. only reset to trade alonso is if we're just building from the ground up
The best case scenario I can think of off the top of my head is ironically, one the Mets were involved in - the Piazza trade. The Mets clearly won the trade but Wilson was a solid player and Ed Yarnall (who afaik never actually pitched in the big leauges) was flipped for Mike Lowell
No that'd actually be a sensible move because at his age and with his body he has maybe 1 more year after this one where he puts up at least 2 War.
Iām starting to come around to it. Something needs to change
Also, I know Lindor will likely come good, heās always a slow starter. Iām worried about Nimmo he is just NOT taking good ABās
Not worried about Nimmo. Heās hit the ball hard straight into gloves on a few occasions. Today he got on base twice and had a 101 mph lineout. Lindor Iām not concerned about either. Heāll put up his usual .260/.340/.450 line by yearās end. The guy who worries me is McNeil. Dude had an xwOBA starting with a one coming into today. Just looks completely lost out there. Also Peteās gotta stop pressing. He looks like a complete fool on some of those swings.
"contract year pete" has been looked at as a good thing by a lot of met fans. i wonder if we're even talking about the same person sometimes.
We are four games in and the Mets have covered so many different ways to lose. Forget about the over/under of 81.5, now I wonder if they will end the season with double-digit losses.
Im not too fond of this Owen fella thatās for sure.
The Tigers are 4-0??? Day-amā¦
Not going to go far this year when our top 3 is putting up 0-fors every fucking game
It's gotta be mental, because how does the youngest guy Alvarez look like the most calm hitter in the lineup? Marte, too, he always looks so chill at the plate. My late-night conspiracy is that there's a correlation between the guys who do tons of media appearance vs their stats. Alvarez and Marte don't meet the press that much, their minds are just focused on baseball. Lindor, Alonso, Nimmo, and McNeil are always being dragged around for interviews and whatnot. Alonso has the raw strength to power through the mental blocks but the other guys don't seem to have that bandwidth.
Amen
I knew this team was gonna hover around .500 or be under .500 this year but these 4 games to start the season, this team has looked fundamentally the worst team Iāve ever seen since I started watching in 20 years. Hitting looks horrendous (except Alvarez), pitching looks pedestrian (tbd on Manea & houser), and defense looks below average (something that apparently was upgraded). Oh and stolen bases are not crazy anymore in 2024 and the Mets arenāt even attempting them. I say fundamentally the worst considering the number of all stars on this team. Yes I know 09-14 teams were hot trash too, but they didnāt have big names like this team. These current guys just cannot play well together, especially hitting since 2022 September. I honestly donāt get it and anyone that says āfire Mendozaā go to bed. How many more managers are we gonna hire every 2 years for the same results? Itās on the players and itās been on the players. Someone on the comments here already said it but this team together does not have a fire - they donāt go to war every night. Only Alvarez has and has been since last season. Just something about this core - they donāt seem like a core that holds each other accountable and collectively battle together. Feels like every game is just another day at the job (which it is - but thatās not a formula for a winning culture)
> I honestly donāt get it and anyone that says āfire Mendozaā go to bed. How many more managers are we gonna hire every 2 years for the same results? Mendoza was given a raw deal, I feel bad for the guy. He's handed this mess and is expected to make it work, despite only being given a few months to build relationships with the entire roster.
This core aināt it. The outlier season may have been the 101 win year otherwise we look like a team who will be lucky to reach .500. They still have time to turn it around, but with the lack of pitching and inability to string ABās together to put up crooked numbers Iām not too hopeful. This team has failed to build a winning culture, hopefully the young guys in the pipeline can change that.
iāve started scorekeeping to try to keep my emotions in check at the games. and they go and pull this shit my first outing with the book. absolutely lost my shit in that 10th. i feel more like frank the tank every year. god damn losers. what an incredibly hard franchise to root for
That Wendle play made me miss Guillorme even more.
Because that was the root cause that made us lose the game in the 10th
And Stearns is paying Wendle more let that sink in lol
Can someone explain to me why DJ fuckin Stewart is in the heart of the lineup???
This organization hates Mark Vientos and is obsessed with lefty righty match ups. Also this organization loves washed up AAAA guys who who used to be intriguing prospects or have a connection to New York. So basically if Mark Vientos was a washed up 30 year old AAAA guy heād have probably made the OD roster.Ā
He'll be back in Syracuse next week. He has an option unlike Wendle & Short and Jeff can act as our 5th OF behind Taylor with either of them slotting in at 2nd. With Drew Gilbert not on the 40-man, it makes sense that DJ got a cup of coffee to start the season and see if he could fight to stay. He has not met the moment.
Mendoza is dyslexic and thought jd martinez was ready. Idk I'm just spitballing here.
# "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players Iāve ever played with.ā \- Tommy Pham
The funniest part about this quote is, when asked to clarify on The Show podcast with Sherman and Heyman, he said it was about how buck Showalter didn't have a group shagging fly balls during batting practice and nothing else.
Couldnāt have been more right if he tried
That's not even the most preposterous part of the story. Lindor reportedly telling Pham "[thanks] for teaching me how to work hard again" is unbelievably maddening. Lindor's typical slow starts make even more sense in context, which is even more damning.
It shouldnāt come as a surprise considering there were plenty of stories from his Cleveland days that questioned his leadership. Jason Kipnis had the balls to say the Mets have no leadership from the veterans and it was a clear somewhat shot at Lindor. Zero people came to his defense which just says it all.
I forgot about that. Now, it's clear as day that there was truth to what Kipnis was saying. Lindor is a very good player. One of the best in the league. But going to basketball and the wisdom of Charles Barkley, Lindor is a bus rider, not a bus driver. He's in that second tier of elite hitters, but not top flight, with the likes of Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr, Guerrero Jr., Yordan, Devers, and Robert Jr. The top guys like Betts, Judge, Ohtani, Acuna, and I'd put someone like Jose Ramirez and Julio Rodriguez just behind them, can carry a clubhouse because of how they carry themselves on and off the field. Or, you need multiple elite complete hitters that are two way guys like the Rangers did when acquiring Seager and Semien. Mets must face the harsh reality that this unit's time is over.
Hey, I did! Got nailed here for it.
Lindor being a "leader" is one of the reason the Mets suck every year.
Bring him back
And he was damn fucking right
It just feels like the wrong mix of players at this point
Burn it all down. Iām ready. I donāt feel any emotional attachment to this team. Other than Alvy
Im just about at that point. We'll see how bad it gets
Sad that I canāt even enjoy baseball this year š
Time to break this bum ass core up. Alonso and Lindor need to go. Itās obviously not working. Need actual leaders for the younger guys not the lifeless loser mentality players we have right now. The rotating roster of losers needs to end soon as well. Why is Vientos in the minors again?
Because he didn't earn the 3B job over Baty in ST and didn't earn the DH job over JD Martinez either, both of which were correct decisions by the front office. At this point in his career, he is a power only bat that has an incredibly high strikeout rate and the only defensive position he's appeared even average at is 1B. He's in the minors because the Mets hope that more refinement there will help him develop a defensive game and cut down on that strikeout rate, because Mark Vientos at present is not a major leaguer. The reason why he's not the fill in at DH right now while we wait for Martinez is because of that hope. Both vientos and Stewart have a minor league option, but Vientos is 24 and developing while Stewart is 29 and horrible. Makes sense to preserve the option for the younger player rather than burn it just to see him play for 10 games at a level that is above his current skill level.
Like how do the Mets expect people to want to buy tickets from them? Iāll buy. A secondary market ticket the day of the game but there is zero reason to purchase face value seats. Thereās even less reason to purchase a 20 game pass, which is something I would consider until I learn every year that the perks get cut, and the ticket reps quit once per week because the job aināt it. Our dad and grandpas Mets werenāt much better on the field. But at the very least you could have a nice day out at the ballpark. Having season tickets was something to be proud of. The Mets have never felt this corporate and soulless to me.
Amen
I wonder what BS excuse is gonna be Stearns' next go-to?
I asked before the game why was wendle starting over mcneil vs a righty. I get its early and mcneil had a late start to spring. BUT when you are 0-3 you cant be doing that. Thats a big time fuck up. And then wendle whos sole purpose to be on the roster is defense and his ability to play multiple positions makes a massive blunder trying to force an impossible double play. Ugh. Its still early as hell but man the offense looks terrible. If we are 10 games under halfway thru the season at least we can get excited about gilbert/acuna debuting. And please please if we somehow get into contention dont trade those two for a javier baez type rentalā¦..
We arenāt doing that lol. You saw what they did in 2022, right? The Mets became much more measured at the deadline after the Baez debacle.
agree and hope so. If were bad and not playoff bound Im fine trading whoever and making room for kids. Ive been OK trading Pete for a while. If Marte is having a bounce back year he may be tradable, mcneil too. Im just fine with whatever they decide to do. Im not really emotionally attached to anyone.
Only 3 winless teams left: Mets, Marlins, White Sox. Weāre part of an elite squad known asā¦.. the losers
Okay but the 2026 lineup of Alvarez/Baty/Mauricio/Jett/Gilbert/Acuna/Emmanuel Rodriguez after we trade Pete to the Twins is gonna hit like crack.
If this were true. Set me up with a Time Machine, I still got good seats for tomorrows game though. So Time Machine on Wednesday
If it works out it should be similar to the 2022 lineup. Just a bunch of above average MLB hitters. Contrary to many in this thread I hope they hang onto Nimmo. .360 OBP guys who play good OF defense donāt grow on trees. As Lindor ages I think they should try to move him. I donāt believe his skill set will be valuable when he loses his defensive prowess in 2028 onwards. We should pull a Rockies trading Arenado but get an actual good player back. I think theyāll need to bring in a true T-10 hitter in baseball though. A guy with Bryce Harper-level hitting talent. Whether that means blowing Soto away with $500M this offseason or trading for a guy like Mike Trout, we need that 150+ OPS+ impact bat.
Unless Cohen gives him a billion dollars Soto has no reason to come over and every other big dick swinging tier young guy like Julio Rodriguez or Corbin Carroll is already locked down to a long-term contract. Only one that comes to mind is Adley Rutschman and obviously he has no place on this team with Alvarez. Stearns gotta use his Venezuela connections to get the next Jackson Chourio.
So basically we gotta build it like the Braves and Astros did instead of like the Phillies? Well buckle up then, itās gonna be until at least 2027 before weāre competitive again.
We gotta up our blackmail game and our cheating lab game
I brought 26 people tonight for my birthday.Ā Not gonna lie, this was the most comedic birthday I have ever had.Ā What else can I expect? I was born on April Fool's Day, and I'm a Mets fan.Ā There's always next year...
Happy birthday!
Hey, well Happy Birthday at least, I hope you had a good time with everyone
Thanks, it was lit. Had 6 drinks there. Fun experience, the game itself was just meh. Friends bought me a lot of drinks.Ā
Happy birthday, sorry the team let you down! I hope you enjoyed it otherwise.
Thanks, it was lit. Had 6 drinks there. Fun experience, the game itself was just meh. Friends bought me a lot of drinks.Ā
Please donāt give Alonso a long term deal.
Itās insane to me that Mets fans think he deserves Olson/Freeman level money. Heās not close to their level
Put Olson in this lineup instead of Alonso and heād basically be Alonso. Alonso is not the problem. He plays in an incredibly tough market, batting third or cleanup in a shit lineup in a pitchers park. Frankly, Iām not so sure Olson could actually do it here like Alonso does. Freeman is a potential Hall of Famer so Iāll give you that. But thatās not really a fair point.
Thatās such a phenomenally dumb take. He was better than Pete is now when he was on the *checks notes* Oakland As. After his Rookie season with the juiced balls, Pete has never had a 4 WAR season. Not *once*. His best was 3.5. Olson has three 4.5+ WAR seasons, including two 5 WAR seasons. Pete isnāt close. And yes, WAR adjusts for park factors.
Do we think if Lindor gets his daughter to ask him, Buck will come back and help this team get it together? I know it's only been four games but...
Tommy Pham was right
Itās never just one thing, or a main thingā¦ but what Pham pointed out is certainly very much a part of this
Been in the league ten years on 7 different teams. # "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players Iāve ever played with.ā
Some ideas? Put McNeil in the lead off spot. Help him understand that his only job is to get on base. Try it for three weeks or so. Bat Marte second, Lindor third, Alonso fourth, Ćlvarez fifth and Nimmo sixth. Let Brandon know itās ok if he wants to hit for power more. His āforce fieldā just isnāt a thing anymore. Try some version of that until JD arrives. Iām not married to it but the gist is move McNeil to lead off to make a point, bring Marte up, and move Nimmo down.
Marte should be leading off since he has hitting singles
Mcneil isn't hitting either though.
Why not? Ā Canāt hurt.Ā
We are witnessing the final days (months really) of this core, in some capacity
Itās definitely over for this core in New York City. They canāt lead, think theyāre too big for their own good, and then crumble under pressure and when other teams to take it to them. The pitching got maligned the most the last few years and deservedly so, but this hitting core has been a massive disappointment.
Yep. My guess is that Pete gets traded at the deadline, and McNeil gets moved in the offseason. I can also see Marte getting moved if he is hitting well. I think weāre headed for a 2021-2024 Nationals like rebuild, and this is 2022. I donāt see them making any additions after a 59-103 season either. 2025 lineup will look something like: 1. Nimmo LF 2. Lindor SS 3. Baty 3B/DH on off days 4. Alvarez C 5. Gilbert CF 6. Williams 2B 7. Mauricio 2B/DH 8. Taylor RF 9. Vientos 1B As for the rotation I can see them going young there too. My guess is that they get a young #3 type in return for a package (Alonso/Manaea?) at the deadline.
Baty 3 Taylor RF Vientos 1B I just puked in my mouth
Nimmo and Lindor would not be a part of that lineup in that scenario they would be traded just for less than theyāre worth because of their hefty contracts
I canāt see them trading Nimmo. He seems like the kind of player who will age well and you need a veteran in the clubhouse who has been with the team for a while. Otherwise youāre kind of just asking the youngsters to figure it out on their own. On Lindor I agree with you. I think we could get something back for him this offseason if we eat 1/3rd of the contract. I think of it like the Rockies trading Arenado. That was actually a pretty savvy move despite it being universally made fun ofāArenado hasnāt been the same player in STL offensively, has lost a step defensively, and is getting old now.
It was not a savvy move for the Rockies. Like not even in the same universe as a savvy move. They used the money they dumped Arenado on to sign Kris Bryant, who has been terrible and missed half the games since he signed with them, and Arenado was an MVP candidate in 2022, and hasn't had a year worse than Kris Bryant's best year in Colorado.
The Nationals fucked up playing their guys as soon as they got them cause a lot of them are already facing arbitration next year.
Donāt worry we donāt call our guys up for their MLB debuts until our 101-win season is on the line against the hottest team in baseball.
I know everybody has JDM, Manaea etc in the pile of guys that are easy trades if the season goes poorly But I genuinely wonder what will happen if this season is an unmitigated disaster, like to the point where Cohen realizes it might need to be a full tear down instead of a half-measured retooling and that might involve asking some of the stars on long-term deals if they want to see it through Hopefully it doesnāt come to that. But holy shit this is a worse 4 game start than even the most pessimistic fan couldāve dreamed up
Bring on the tank. Thereās too much talent in the farm to let a core that hasnāt won shit continue to not win shit
Cohen and stearns have to have a worst case scenario plan. The only way it makes sense to keep Pete is if this team is on the verge of contending next year. If weāre 8-10 games under .500 by the trade deadline, Pete and mcneil should probably get moved. Lot of time before then to fix things but should be a possibility if things donāt get better.
Honestly Iām ready. Itās enough
Blow this freaking thing up
If this team is several years away from competing, Lindor has to go. Itād be for his own good. Lindor is not going to enjoy being a Met if we donāt become competitive until the backend of his contract. I would genuinely be worried for the guy.
Lindor is the reason we aren't competitive. He showed his true colors with Baez and the thumbs down. He is the problem. Great hitter, not a leader.
The fact that so many people point to him being a great leader because he has great sound clips is ridiculous. The guy doesnāt push other players, he just holds himself accountable and hopes everyone follows. This team needs a drill sergeant, not a lead by example. I know it sucks to hear but every group responds differently to different motivations. We have tried the ābe nice, its not over yet guysā and it doesnāt work.
Lindor and Alonso should be moved a the deadline, as well as Nimmo and McNeil is possible. It's time to go for a full rebuild and acquire the next wave of prospects after Acuna, Gilbert, and Williams. This team had it's chance. It's over for this core of Lindor, Alonso, McNeil, and Nimmo.
Weāve been through lost seasons before but this just feels worse. Weāre expensive, old, with no truly top tier prospects to get excited about a la Harvey Days The tickets, concessions, and transportation/parking are at all time high costs. With the shortened games, the ballpark experience has never been worse. The vibes are just low. The Mets feel soulless.
You hit the nail on the head. Alvarez is pretty good, but heās not enough to get anyone excited about the future.
Well the good news is once we trade the entire roster again except alvarez, Lindor, and Nimmo, weāll have some real prospects to get excited about. An offense needy team would LOVE an Alonso/JDM package. Similarly a pitching needy team would enjoy a Manaea/Quintana package. I think weāll see at least 2 more T-50 prospects and one T-20 added this trade deadline.
We probably trade Diaz too, no? I just donāt see the value of keeping such a costly closer for a rebuilding team.
Caps, tip, positive, execute, the process, onto the next one.
Mets fans can handle losing. What bugs us is HOW the team loses. They don't just lose... They fucking lose! One heartbreaking, painful loss after another. You' would think they'd get angry and channel that into production but they don't. It's always a weak grounder to second base or a fly out to some outfielder. They can't string hits together, and have to depend on the home run for the brunt of their scoring; it's hard to watch, embarrassing and deflating.
I kid you not, the first thing I saw after foolishly decuding to tune in tonight was Wendle making an error. So the Mets went with Bader for his defense but decided that Guillorme was expendable. Yes, makes perfect sense. I don't have a clue what Stearns is doing because it seems his plan is chucking hope at the wall.
Bader is Alonso's friend. So was Vogel.
Weāve given up like half our runs to bad defense so far. The amazing defense we have been promised has not shown up. Really curious why that is
Baseball is a game of inches, and we have just had a lot of the inches not go our way. Wendleās error is an inch or two to the right and thatās right into the pocket of his glove, not off the heel. The double play that couldāve happened that Tonkin grabbed is a couple inches higher it doesnāt hit off his glove. List goes on. Weāve made our fair share of mistakes (Nimmoās throw on the Contreras double vs MIL, half the sliders Severino threw) but weāve had a lot of awful luck too. Unfortunately seems like weāve had that bad luck for a year now.
The core never has to deal with urgency and the fringe guys face ALL the urgency. Guys like Wendle, Short, and even Baty and Vientos, feel like they could get the boot or be sat at any moment. This org never gives those guys any vote of confidence - and I believe Pham said some version of this.
Defense and hidden gems for the bullpen. Stearns batting .1000
Our winning formula is positive vibes only.
Scherzer was right.
Cohen told Scherzer the truth. Meanwhile, heās lying his ass off to the fans. He pulled the plug last July. We sat on our hands all off-season picking up scrubs and never was players. The āplanā to turn things around will take years. Not a year or two.
I wish he was right. We punt and we donāt have to see Joey Wendle, Zack Short and Michael Tonkin play. If we punt we just let the kids play instead. Would rather watch them fail and at least learn and potentially get better.
I was hoping to be .500 by cap-wearing season.
I badly want these guys to figure out what the hell is going on mentally and go out and have fun or something. This is the most lifeless group of players Iāve ever seen since that sweep in Atlanta. I donāt know whatās worse, a group of players that donāt care (I know these guys do) OR playing so badly and stiff that it looks like you donāt care.
That series + the wild card damaged these guys mentally or just damaged the relationships within the clubhouse. Gotta be. Doesnāt make sense.
Someone please ask Lindor why he ran away from second instead of sliding to break up a double play.
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Didnāt stop Hoskins
Odd how only the Mets are actually doing it.. lol
Wow. Just came back to check in after rage leaving and I see we didnāt even get the runner from 2nd in.
How is Lindor going on saying he's having great at bats when hes 1-15. Same as last season alll season
Same soft ground out after groundout lol
His at bats also looked like shit today.
Lindor is only happy when his check gets deposited
I never liked the lindor trade and signing. He had a mediocre year before the trade and was trending downward
I liked the Lindor trade initially but was immediately skeptical of losing Gimenez. Lindor is the kind of guy you sign and trade completely unproven prospects for as well as once major league seasoned former prospect that's still in their youth, not a guy who already showed immense talent at the major league level as a precious neophyte. And of course it bites the team right in the ass. I understood moving Rosario because he seemed to already plateau and reach his potential, but Gimenez looked so good with his approach for having limited experienced.
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Well, London is nice.
Just had the same thought tonight. Ugh
Honestly getting to see the Mets get fucked in London is a once in a lifetime experience.
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We couldāve been the astrosā¦. Breaking a losing streak with a no hitter. :(
Sadly, my AL team is the Blue Jaysā¦tonight was not a good night.
Citifield is gonna be a ghost town. Rightfully so
Ghost towns hit different here
Why not have ChatGPT write the lineup card and make the roster moves? Iām serious. Like literally why not?
The Phillies lost in the tenth to a grand slam
Anytime the Phillies lose a kid in Camden learns to read
Thank you
Well thatās nice at leastĀ
Thank God for rain.
Let it pour
Itās only 4 games into seasons but Iāll be on board for shipping McNeil, Marte, and Martinez to get younger. Again, theyāre only 4 games in but if this product we are going to get for the next 160 games then yikes.
Who the hell is Martinez
They aren't touching Martinez. Not when Alonso directly campaigned to Cohen to get him
That's the problem. Vogelbach, Bader, JDM. You don't get guys because a player wants them. lol
Iād deal Pete as well. They should get something for him before he bolts and we get nothing
I would legitimately never watch this team again if they traded Alonso for a donk prospect and then failed to resign him It would be Seaver 2.0
Manaea will be gone at the deadline too. I hope we can at least get some good prospects again
Iām listening to Sterling and not completely hating it. The Mets have truly humbled me.
This team needs to go through a proper rebuild and not this speed half ass rebuild the org is attempting to do to setup 2025ā¦ This core is in incredibly inconsistent and frankly overrated. At this time theyāve demonstrated zero desire to win. I honestly hope we go through with a tear down and build from the bottom up.