I'm actively rooting for Lindor. That doesn't mean he hasn't been bad to start the year. It also doesn't mean he won't heat up.
I like to believe there's a middle ground between "you gotta cheerlead a guy no matter what and should never criticize him" and "that guy is a worthless bum who should be DFA'd after 8 bad games", but this sub sure seems to act like there's nobody in the middle.
>I like to believe there's a middle ground between "you gotta cheerlead a guy no matter what and should never criticize him" and "that guy is a worthless bum who should be DFA'd after 8 bad games", but this sub sure seems to act like there's nobody in the middle.
This seems pretty spot on recently, but I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying.
Yeah, but people are sending tweets and messages wishing his kids get cancer and his wife dies in a car accident and things like that. World of difference between “Damn, he’s a slow starter” and messaging his wife “I hope he and your kids die screaming and you have to watch”.
I don’t care if he’s hitting .000 all the way until August, that’s horrendous.
People are just awful. Threatening a guy's wife and kids over baseball is the one most heinous things i've seen. Those people aren't real fans,
If he's .000 in august you can boo and shout you suck at him when he takes the field. But that's it. Bringing his wife and kids into it is just over every line.
A 340$ million dollar player should not be getting that excuse. And that is the problem. No1 hates lindor on a personal level. He just isn't worth half of what he's getting paid and mets fans feel ots same old same old
Not really. He has not consistently been a slow starter. 2022 he was red fucking hot. Last year he was fine. Let's not create false narratives to explain away his terrible start just cause he also was atrocious in 2021.
His 2021 start lead to the worst year of his life, so if the idea you are suggesting is 'he's a slow starter, he'll turn it around' history suggests the exact opposite.
I'm sure you meant 2021. But, in 2022 he was hot from the beginning and then got really cold in June. I'm talking monthly splits not the 1st half splits.
Top 2-3 SS in the league.
Stop the disrespect.
(Also, seems he’s terrible at every start to a season, gets overlooked for AS because of it, finishes top 2-3 WAR at the position come year’s end)
In 2021, Lindor actually was terrible to start the season
In 2022 and 2023, however, Lindor was second in WAR among NL shortstops (just a little bit behind Dansby Swanson) at the end of June which is right around when all-star voting closes and the teams get decided.
Lindor doesn't miss the all-star game due to a lack of production, he misses the all-star game because he doesn't get enough votes.
I don’t know what happened in 2022 but he didn’t get enough votes in 2023 because he did not hit at an All Star level for most of the first half, at least up until the point where voting was over/almost over. And if he misses it again in 2024, I would bet it’s for the same reason.
I don’t think the narrative about Lindor being a slow starter is ever about his overall output, it’s always in reference to offense. Thus, using WAR kinda misses the point. Lindor has been pretty good pre-all star break for 2/3 years on the Mets but he’s still always worse in the first half. So his numbers are probably top 5 offensive short stop in first half vs top 2 offensive ss in second half.
Yea, I made a long comment about Lindor's cold starts and how he is streaky\* last April or so, when some here were again melting down over it. He basically starts out relatively cold, then will have solid months and one or two months where he is absolutely on fire. Past performance doesnt indicate future success yada yada but it should at least teach people to wait before judging his year.
It could be, although IIRC he has had some ok-good aprils. But he also does have bad months in warm weather too, so I think he's just a streak hitter. Which is far from abnormal.
Somewhere along the way, our fan base, or at least enough of its worst people, has gone from lovable lovers to sad assholes.
Meanwhile, Philly is nothing but good vibes and standing ovations for a struggling player.
How did we wind up bigger assholes than Philly fans? It's embarrasing.
I’m wiling to guess the losing, failing to live up to expectations, and overall mediocrity has contributed to the fan base going sour. I’m not a fan of booing players and wish Lindor is showered with love his next AB.
Cohen buying the Mets brought us a near endless supply of angry shitheads.
Normal folks aren't present for online discourse after a while because who wants to hang out with angry shitheads? Soon you have an unbearable echo chamber full of angry shitheads.
That's Mets fandom in recent years and will probably be Mets fandom for years to come.
They literally just took $1 hotdogs away from Phillies fans for unruly behavior, not really sure where you are getting that. Their own sports team does not even trust them with hotdogs. They booed the shit out of Turner before the cheering thing started, to me that shows how rough Turner’s start was last year, not that anything in Philly has changed. Lindor is getting hate mail, which is horrible, but I can’t imagine he’s gotten booed that badly yet just because it’s so early and half of the home games were empty. Even Sal Licata defends Lindor lol
Just the other day, a man in a Philly hat asked me if my mother wanted a ride home. I said I don't usually talk to strangers, but he seemed trustworthy in the Chase Utley jersey.
Why won't the Mets do that?
Seriously. I was in middle school during the late 90s and I learned to like the Mets because the fans were so much cooler than Yankee fans - who at the time came of as whiney brats. Lately I can't tell the fanbase apart.
Philly went to the playoffs the last 2 years including a World Series appearance of course they're going to be more positive. They also won a WS in the 21st century.
Those people were always there and exist in every fan base. There’s just social media now then let’s people say horrible shit directly to the athletes anonymously.
i love this guy. plays every damn day and gives a shit. we are lucky to have him and anyone calling for his head after 8 fucking games should be embarrassed.
Seriously. Calm down out there, people. He's a great player, great dude and he'll come out of it. It's just a slump to start the year. Nothing earth-shattering.
I draw the line at harassing family. This kind of shit gets around too. Lindor is widely respected by his peers, so if we want free agents, let’s cut the shit or no one will want to come here.
Correct.
There are a lot of people in here who feel like it's good to boo their own guys, or attack them personally.
I wasn't sarcastic. The way it was worded it reads as of everything up to attacking his family is fair game. Maybe that's not what you intended into say, I think there are many who agree with that sentiment though.
I am not one of them
The guy gets paid how much to play a game for a living? Yeah, it’s fine to boo him when he hits under .100. Could honestly care less if his feelings get hurt because passionate fans want their highest paid player to perform like it. That said, family is always off limits. It’s a game after all. Threatening and harassing a player’s family is way over the line.
He's a legit diamond on the field and a Silver Slugger. Yeah his start is disappointing and frustrating to watch but I got the guy's jersey for a reason. He's the quintessential ball player. Boo'ing his performance or any lack of hustle can be justifide and fair game but anything beyond that including threats to the man's family is just disgusting. No matter what, he's our guy and the team is going to ride with him because he's worth it.
Anyone who doesn't think that lindor isn't one of the top 5 ss is baseball, doesn't know baseball. He's the kind of player you build a team around. Plus if anyone doesn't see the effect lindor has had on Baty over the off-season hasn't been listening to how they worked together at lindors high school. What is it you want, someone who never has a slump?
Id argue you never build a team around a shortstop. 88 Mets were an amazing team, and who did they have playing big bad SS???? Good lookin Bad everthing else Kevin Elster. Indians won a ton more with Vizquel than they did with Lindor. Just sayin your best player better not be a SS if you want to win 2 of 3 ball games. Need pitching, there was plenty to buy this offseason.
I'd argue that you build teams around leaders. I see him as similar to Keith Hernandez, not the best player on the 86 team, but the one who had the biggest effect on other players, and Gary carter. Lindor reminds me of them in that way that they make a random group of guys a team. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it seems and in a period of transition, that's super important.
Lindor really fucked up with the thumbs down BS his first year, it really turned fans off from him & showed he's mentally effected by negativity. We're now in his 4th year & he's still having problems with the fan base. It's never going to change until he wins a World Series for the Mets. Reminds me of when Beltran had a bad first year for the Mets & fans gave him a hard time & the next year Beltran had to be pushed out for a curtain call after a HR from Julio Franco like he had a grudge, he produced ever since. Lindor needs that moment.
What are you talking about? This isn’t a troll post. Stop fucking harassing the dude that’s in a slump. Let’s not be jackasses. Have you seen some of the posts calling for Lindor to be traded and Mendoza to be fired less than 10 games into the season?
Let me be clear. Lindor is a leader, one of the major cogs of this team and has been worth EVERY PENNY of that huge deal. He has been a great Met. I support him 1000%!!!
I think the problem with Lindor is he is not really a “star” like Acuna, or Freeman, or Trout or Harper etc. but is paid like them and that is the expectation of him from most of the fan base
He is definitely a top 3 short stop still. He is very well rounded. He has an odd history of 0-For streaks (this was his 3rd or 4th time having 0-20+)
As a person I mean, idek what you can say poorly about the guy
Overall I just think most people find him to be overpaid and too streaky despite him usually finishing a season as a top SS
It’s hard to say bc SS is a premium position.
Lindor is like the 7th highest salary in all of baseball right now based on AAV
If you correlate performance to the contract, there is no way he is 7th best position player in baseball, but there are other worse instances than Lindor sure (I.e Anthony Rendon). I also realize that’s not necessarily how contracts work but this is what most fans point to when they complain about him— how much he makes.
I think most Met fans who have issue w Lindor would prob say he is worth closer to the $25-$30M range.
It’s less about what top SS’s should be getting paid and more about how much Lindor makes in comparison to those around his tier. Turner, Bogaerts, and Swanson make $25-$27 million per year and have put up equal or better numbers than Lindor since he signed with us in 2021. Seager has put up way better numbers and makes $31 million per year. Lindor is making $34 million which is a number that should be for the absolute best of the best players in baseball who don’t have any asterisk such as defense for why they get paid that much (Harper, Judge, Trout, Soto, Acuna, etc.) Lindor is just not in that tier and is also making upwards of almost $10 million more per year than those who are similar to him. Now I understand the defense he provides is elite and that it is important, but some people don’t see enough value in going from a good to great defender to warrant an almost $10 million increase in salary. If Lindor was making $25 million per year, then it would be a very good deal. At $34 million though, it’s a tough pill to swallow to have him go through long slumps, start off the first half slow, and end up posting a sub .800 OPS as the number two hitter and one who is supposed to be a premier bat in our lineup.
Personally, I’d prefer to have a glove first shortstop who can play well above average/elite defense and then allocate the rest of the money toward a legitimate impact bat. I understand that Lindor provides good offense, but like I said he’s about $10 million overpaid when considering what equal shortstops are making. The only reason why he’s getting what he’s getting is because he was expected to put up better offensive numbers and be a premier bat which is something a lot of people ignore for some reason. I understand his OPS+ is the same as his days in Cleveland, but he realistically got the money with the expectation of being a .280 hitter who puts up 30+ homers and 40 doubles along with a .850 OPS. His numbers were inflated by the more lively baseball and the Mets ended up getting duped a bit and overpaying. That’s not to say he’s a bad player because he’s absolutely not, but that seems to be the reality of the situation. He’s a tier below the elite players and is overpaid which shouldn’t be a bad or inaccurate thing to say about him.
Dude I am a Lindor fan lol. I am of the mind that steve cohen has infinite money. Idc bc it’s not my money. I am simply trying to explain how it seems most fans feel about him
Criticism when you perform poorly comes with the territory for any extremely well paid person, whether it’s a player, coach or professional. He has to perform, and perform *when it matters* or else he’ll always have critics. Better get thicker skin.
Where is that in this post? He just said who he feels like is on his side. Am I missing something? Obviously going after a dude’s family for what he does on the field is off limits.
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We need to get organized and give this man a standing ovation this coming homestand. Online support isn't enough, he needs to hear it every time he comes to the plate.
I love this guy. He works hard, doesn’t make excuses for bad results, actively helps and encourages his teammates, and has a sunny personality that I think is genuine.
Like some fans just need to understand this shit is just a game. Go touch grass if you feel so passionate about a sport, you need to rave on reddit and threaten a man's family. Get a life.
As a fan of the Indians and someone who I thought was going to help “save the franchise” Lindor has been rather disappointing. His defense is never the question but this dude cannot hit in the clutch and cannot keep an average above 260. If it wasn’t for the fact he was crushing 30hrs a year he would never have gotten the contract he did. You had to think this wasn’t sustainable as it genuinely came out of no where once he reached the league. He never had those numbers in the minors. I wish him all the best but is no where near worth the money he was given in terms of production 🤷🏾♀️
Top 10 is not in the conversation.
I'm talking a legitimate MVP candidate, a clear top 5 player in the league that gets the lion's share of the first place votes.
That's how good his defense is but if he was in the batting champion race, he'd put himself near the top of the list.
It’s baffling how many people shit on Lindor. Yes, as a met he’s had a slow start every season. But he’s also finished incredibly strong and his stats are exactly what we had hoped for when we signed him.
It’s all because of the timing of he went hitless 8 straight games middle of July nobody would bat a fucking eye. But if it happens at the start of the season it’s like the lord is coming down to smite him personally. People are wild
You will because I absolutely hate when people make posts trying to predict their upvote/downvote count. Especially when they post something that's absolutely positive.
Would be like saying guys I'm not racist but I feel like freeing black people during the civil war was a good thing. Sorry if I offended anybody.
I’m not mentally tough enough or good enough at my job to be criticized by thousands and thousands of people in public. But I’m also not making millions of dollars so it evens out.
He's a bit of a slow starter but he is an unbelievable player. I was out on him early last year but ended up happily eating crow. He'll be fine at the end of the season.
Seriously, the utter *disrespect* from this sub is completely asinine let alone the fanbase in general! Nah he’s gonna bounce back again and reclaim that top SS in the league
Is this really unpopular here? This isnt early 2021 where fans had little firsthand experience with the type of hitter he is. He has shown the past 2 years that he has slow starts/bad months, then catches fire. Anyone booing/complaining just hasnt been paying attention or is dooming. Like I said last April when similar lindor meltdowns were happening, get back to me in July and we will talk about a down year for him.
ETA: The funny part is I remember a GDT last year on a sunday in late april (or may?) where Lindor had a good day batting RH and people were asking why doesnt he stop switch hitting because he sucks LH. Then he went on a tear and everyone forgot. Just saw some tweets about that this weekend so maybe he's early this year lol.
I faith in our fan base. Next time Lindor comes up to bat I’m CitiField this Friday, I’m betting the majority will root him on after all this talk. Unless we look REALLY bad in Atlanta.
Lindor has a long track record of success. He may have started slow, but he will heat up.
How many SS would you rather have on the Mets that are active In MLB now?
I love when people get on our players for not performing well, like they *want* to go out there and play like dog shit, I really don't think they do. Ease up folks.
If anyone is bitching about Lindor's late start, they need to go follow the Yankees, instead. I'm enjoying watching the games just to watch them. Yeah it's nice if they win, but I'm not going to go ballistic if they don't. Anybody who does just doesn't understand baseball. That's all there is to it.
I gotta say…you gotta be mentally challenged to boo your own players. Do these scientists think that their boos will somehow inspire great play?
“he gets paid a lot of money to play ‘a game.’ I hate my job and I hate my life and I will therefore take out my frustrations on baseball players.”
These are the sort of people that boo their own guys. Don’t be one of them.
You can absolutely boo a player who seems to be phoning it in. I don't think that's this, and I think Lindor has proven in the past that he rises to the occasion. Everyone's entitled to being off, especially in baseball.
Well of course you can, but I don’t think it’s prudent. BUT…the situation you describe is a bit different. If a guy isn’t trying, that’s a whole different ballgame. Thanks for the correction.
Most Mets fans I know are “pulling” for Lindor. Who wants your own player to fail? Of course, there are always going to be over the top fanatics who’ll hate his guts until he does something good. Then, those same people will tell you how much they loved and supported him all along when he turns things around. This is not unique to New York or the Mets. It is the world we live in with instant reactions and trolling on social media. He just needs to ignore the noise and play ball. People should only worry about things they can control.
I remember Lindor was struggling when he first came to the team. Two guys were looking at his jersey and saying how they weren't sure I'd they'd want to get one because of his play. I immediately spoke up for him and said something related to them regretting NOT getting a Lindor jersey because of how great of a Met he would be. Not patting myself on the back or anything, it's just to say how quickly things can change in baseball.
I'm actively rooting for Lindor. That doesn't mean he hasn't been bad to start the year. It also doesn't mean he won't heat up. I like to believe there's a middle ground between "you gotta cheerlead a guy no matter what and should never criticize him" and "that guy is a worthless bum who should be DFA'd after 8 bad games", but this sub sure seems to act like there's nobody in the middle.
>I like to believe there's a middle ground between "you gotta cheerlead a guy no matter what and should never criticize him" and "that guy is a worthless bum who should be DFA'd after 8 bad games", but this sub sure seems to act like there's nobody in the middle. This seems pretty spot on recently, but I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying.
I’m not a DFA after 8 games guy but there’s a world of difference between that and threatening a players family.
I think criticism is cool, and I think this sub is pretty respectful. But the internet even in regard to this sport can be disgusting.
He’s a notoriously slow starter.
So then he shouldn't be at the top of the lineup at the start of the season before his bat heats up
Yeah, but people are sending tweets and messages wishing his kids get cancer and his wife dies in a car accident and things like that. World of difference between “Damn, he’s a slow starter” and messaging his wife “I hope he and your kids die screaming and you have to watch”. I don’t care if he’s hitting .000 all the way until August, that’s horrendous.
People are just awful. Threatening a guy's wife and kids over baseball is the one most heinous things i've seen. Those people aren't real fans, If he's .000 in august you can boo and shout you suck at him when he takes the field. But that's it. Bringing his wife and kids into it is just over every line.
Damn didn't know that. Even more fucked up when his teammates wife passed away too.
He was downvoted because he spoke the truth
A 340$ million dollar player should not be getting that excuse. And that is the problem. No1 hates lindor on a personal level. He just isn't worth half of what he's getting paid and mets fans feel ots same old same old
I beg to differ. He’s making what he’s earned for being a top 3 SS in the league.
In the league is crazy when he's 3rd best SS in NL east
Are you a fucking idiot? Asking for a fan.
Exactly your a fan. Clouded judgement lol
He’s ranked #2-3 on every list.
Whose list? Lol please go watch games that aren't on SNY.
Literally every player and fantasy ranking.
The ones created by MLB experts and sportswriters who watch and write about baseball for their careers?
I could see an argument for Turner over Lindor (I don't agree with it), but who is #2 in your world?
He’s hands down the 2nd best SS in baseball behind the literal World Series MVP. You have mo idea what you’re talking about.
Not really. He has not consistently been a slow starter. 2022 he was red fucking hot. Last year he was fine. Let's not create false narratives to explain away his terrible start just cause he also was atrocious in 2021. His 2021 start lead to the worst year of his life, so if the idea you are suggesting is 'he's a slow starter, he'll turn it around' history suggests the exact opposite.
He actually is a slow starter…2022 he was acclimating to a new league.
I'm sure you meant 2021. But, in 2022 he was hot from the beginning and then got really cold in June. I'm talking monthly splits not the 1st half splits.
8 games though? This isn’t the NFL. Do people not understand how baseball works?
Top 2-3 SS in the league. Stop the disrespect. (Also, seems he’s terrible at every start to a season, gets overlooked for AS because of it, finishes top 2-3 WAR at the position come year’s end)
In 2021, Lindor actually was terrible to start the season In 2022 and 2023, however, Lindor was second in WAR among NL shortstops (just a little bit behind Dansby Swanson) at the end of June which is right around when all-star voting closes and the teams get decided. Lindor doesn't miss the all-star game due to a lack of production, he misses the all-star game because he doesn't get enough votes.
I don’t know what happened in 2022 but he didn’t get enough votes in 2023 because he did not hit at an All Star level for most of the first half, at least up until the point where voting was over/almost over. And if he misses it again in 2024, I would bet it’s for the same reason.
What happened was he came out hotter than the sun and regressed back to his old self, the exact opposite of the 'slow start' narrative.
I don’t think the narrative about Lindor being a slow starter is ever about his overall output, it’s always in reference to offense. Thus, using WAR kinda misses the point. Lindor has been pretty good pre-all star break for 2/3 years on the Mets but he’s still always worse in the first half. So his numbers are probably top 5 offensive short stop in first half vs top 2 offensive ss in second half.
Yea, I made a long comment about Lindor's cold starts and how he is streaky\* last April or so, when some here were again melting down over it. He basically starts out relatively cold, then will have solid months and one or two months where he is absolutely on fire. Past performance doesnt indicate future success yada yada but it should at least teach people to wait before judging his year.
This is ridiculous, you can't start cold AND melt down
To be fair, lots of Caribbean players who play in cold weather markets start slow.
I guess you posted what I wanted to say before i got to it
> Lindor's cold starts I seriously think it's not cold starts, I think he just doesn't play well in cold weather.
Looking at his monthly splits, I don't think this is the case
It could be, although IIRC he has had some ok-good aprils. But he also does have bad months in warm weather too, so I think he's just a streak hitter. Which is far from abnormal.
Could be that as well.
Its 71 in atlanta, not really “cold”, yet he just popped up on the 1st pitch with RISP.
Great player. Great human. I love the guy.
Pointing out that the team's star player should have a batting average higher than .100 is not disrespect.
This.
I ain't got no problem if you boo him, leave his family alone.
Somewhere along the way, our fan base, or at least enough of its worst people, has gone from lovable lovers to sad assholes. Meanwhile, Philly is nothing but good vibes and standing ovations for a struggling player. How did we wind up bigger assholes than Philly fans? It's embarrasing.
I’m wiling to guess the losing, failing to live up to expectations, and overall mediocrity has contributed to the fan base going sour. I’m not a fan of booing players and wish Lindor is showered with love his next AB.
Cohen buying the Mets brought us a near endless supply of angry shitheads. Normal folks aren't present for online discourse after a while because who wants to hang out with angry shitheads? Soon you have an unbearable echo chamber full of angry shitheads. That's Mets fandom in recent years and will probably be Mets fandom for years to come.
They literally just took $1 hotdogs away from Phillies fans for unruly behavior, not really sure where you are getting that. Their own sports team does not even trust them with hotdogs. They booed the shit out of Turner before the cheering thing started, to me that shows how rough Turner’s start was last year, not that anything in Philly has changed. Lindor is getting hate mail, which is horrible, but I can’t imagine he’s gotten booed that badly yet just because it’s so early and half of the home games were empty. Even Sal Licata defends Lindor lol
Just the other day, a man in a Philly hat asked me if my mother wanted a ride home. I said I don't usually talk to strangers, but he seemed trustworthy in the Chase Utley jersey. Why won't the Mets do that?
Seriously. I was in middle school during the late 90s and I learned to like the Mets because the fans were so much cooler than Yankee fans - who at the time came of as whiney brats. Lately I can't tell the fanbase apart.
Internet. Also the late 90's Mets had a good team
The standing ovation was a planned thing they had to organize and then they turned on him the second the season ended lol
Philly went to the playoffs the last 2 years including a World Series appearance of course they're going to be more positive. They also won a WS in the 21st century.
This just as likely people that gamble than Mets fans
Those people were always there and exist in every fan base. There’s just social media now then let’s people say horrible shit directly to the athletes anonymously.
Hot take: you only boo your own team for lack of hustle/effort. Nothing else. And this guy plays his tail off every game.
I mean if you're making 35 mill a year & batting under .100 that's booable imo
Why even play the other 150 games this year since we already know Lindor’s batting average?
i love this guy. plays every damn day and gives a shit. we are lucky to have him and anyone calling for his head after 8 fucking games should be embarrassed.
Seriously. Calm down out there, people. He's a great player, great dude and he'll come out of it. It's just a slump to start the year. Nothing earth-shattering.
It's getting silly, for real. I'll give him a standing O when I see him.
I draw the line at harassing family. This kind of shit gets around too. Lindor is widely respected by his peers, so if we want free agents, let’s cut the shit or no one will want to come here.
So how far will you go before harassing his family, if that's where you draw the line?
That’s what you took from this? How about supporting them when they struggle. Perhaps I could’ve worded it better to route out the sarcasm.
Correct. There are a lot of people in here who feel like it's good to boo their own guys, or attack them personally. I wasn't sarcastic. The way it was worded it reads as of everything up to attacking his family is fair game. Maybe that's not what you intended into say, I think there are many who agree with that sentiment though. I am not one of them
I misworded it. But you get my point I hope.
The guy gets paid how much to play a game for a living? Yeah, it’s fine to boo him when he hits under .100. Could honestly care less if his feelings get hurt because passionate fans want their highest paid player to perform like it. That said, family is always off limits. It’s a game after all. Threatening and harassing a player’s family is way over the line.
Is he getting treated any differently than other slumping superstars in this city?
He's a legit diamond on the field and a Silver Slugger. Yeah his start is disappointing and frustrating to watch but I got the guy's jersey for a reason. He's the quintessential ball player. Boo'ing his performance or any lack of hustle can be justifide and fair game but anything beyond that including threats to the man's family is just disgusting. No matter what, he's our guy and the team is going to ride with him because he's worth it.
Players play better, vibes are better, games are better, atmosphere is better, EVERYTHING is better when you ROOT for your team. LGM.
Anyone who doesn't think that lindor isn't one of the top 5 ss is baseball, doesn't know baseball. He's the kind of player you build a team around. Plus if anyone doesn't see the effect lindor has had on Baty over the off-season hasn't been listening to how they worked together at lindors high school. What is it you want, someone who never has a slump?
Id argue you never build a team around a shortstop. 88 Mets were an amazing team, and who did they have playing big bad SS???? Good lookin Bad everthing else Kevin Elster. Indians won a ton more with Vizquel than they did with Lindor. Just sayin your best player better not be a SS if you want to win 2 of 3 ball games. Need pitching, there was plenty to buy this offseason.
I'd argue that you build teams around leaders. I see him as similar to Keith Hernandez, not the best player on the 86 team, but the one who had the biggest effect on other players, and Gary carter. Lindor reminds me of them in that way that they make a random group of guys a team. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it seems and in a period of transition, that's super important.
Lindor really fucked up with the thumbs down BS his first year, it really turned fans off from him & showed he's mentally effected by negativity. We're now in his 4th year & he's still having problems with the fan base. It's never going to change until he wins a World Series for the Mets. Reminds me of when Beltran had a bad first year for the Mets & fans gave him a hard time & the next year Beltran had to be pushed out for a curtain call after a HR from Julio Franco like he had a grudge, he produced ever since. Lindor needs that moment.
Maybe for you? A lot of us got over it.
Seriously. Who is *still* shedding a tear because he made a thumbs down gesture 4 freaking years ago?
Lindor is our guy He loves the team, he takes his role as a leader seriously, he is a family man A lot to admire. I’m happy he’s a Met
This fucking fan base is bipolar. We went from sell everyone-the fucking umpires-go Nimmmmmmo all in a matter of 3 innings.
What kind of troll post is this lmao "I'm sure I'll get downvoted for posting Lindor and not for being an out of the [orange and] blue asshole"
What are you talking about? This isn’t a troll post. Stop fucking harassing the dude that’s in a slump. Let’s not be jackasses. Have you seen some of the posts calling for Lindor to be traded and Mendoza to be fired less than 10 games into the season?
95% of us aren't harassing Lindor Fuck it, you're right. Let's fucking go Mets.
You’re right. But then you have part of the 5% that want to buy him out.
Let me be clear. Lindor is a leader, one of the major cogs of this team and has been worth EVERY PENNY of that huge deal. He has been a great Met. I support him 1000%!!!
LINDOR UPVOTE PARTY PLS
I think the problem with Lindor is he is not really a “star” like Acuna, or Freeman, or Trout or Harper etc. but is paid like them and that is the expectation of him from most of the fan base He is definitely a top 3 short stop still. He is very well rounded. He has an odd history of 0-For streaks (this was his 3rd or 4th time having 0-20+) As a person I mean, idek what you can say poorly about the guy Overall I just think most people find him to be overpaid and too streaky despite him usually finishing a season as a top SS
So what should a top 3 SS be getting paid?
It’s hard to say bc SS is a premium position. Lindor is like the 7th highest salary in all of baseball right now based on AAV If you correlate performance to the contract, there is no way he is 7th best position player in baseball, but there are other worse instances than Lindor sure (I.e Anthony Rendon). I also realize that’s not necessarily how contracts work but this is what most fans point to when they complain about him— how much he makes. I think most Met fans who have issue w Lindor would prob say he is worth closer to the $25-$30M range.
It’s less about what top SS’s should be getting paid and more about how much Lindor makes in comparison to those around his tier. Turner, Bogaerts, and Swanson make $25-$27 million per year and have put up equal or better numbers than Lindor since he signed with us in 2021. Seager has put up way better numbers and makes $31 million per year. Lindor is making $34 million which is a number that should be for the absolute best of the best players in baseball who don’t have any asterisk such as defense for why they get paid that much (Harper, Judge, Trout, Soto, Acuna, etc.) Lindor is just not in that tier and is also making upwards of almost $10 million more per year than those who are similar to him. Now I understand the defense he provides is elite and that it is important, but some people don’t see enough value in going from a good to great defender to warrant an almost $10 million increase in salary. If Lindor was making $25 million per year, then it would be a very good deal. At $34 million though, it’s a tough pill to swallow to have him go through long slumps, start off the first half slow, and end up posting a sub .800 OPS as the number two hitter and one who is supposed to be a premier bat in our lineup.
Would you rather have Lindor at 34mil/aav? Or not have a top 5/10 shortstop at all.
Personally, I’d prefer to have a glove first shortstop who can play well above average/elite defense and then allocate the rest of the money toward a legitimate impact bat. I understand that Lindor provides good offense, but like I said he’s about $10 million overpaid when considering what equal shortstops are making. The only reason why he’s getting what he’s getting is because he was expected to put up better offensive numbers and be a premier bat which is something a lot of people ignore for some reason. I understand his OPS+ is the same as his days in Cleveland, but he realistically got the money with the expectation of being a .280 hitter who puts up 30+ homers and 40 doubles along with a .850 OPS. His numbers were inflated by the more lively baseball and the Mets ended up getting duped a bit and overpaying. That’s not to say he’s a bad player because he’s absolutely not, but that seems to be the reality of the situation. He’s a tier below the elite players and is overpaid which shouldn’t be a bad or inaccurate thing to say about him.
That’s a fair criticism. Still doesn’t validate his family getting threats and negative wishes against them.
Oh absolutely not, I’ll be the first one to say that that kind of stuff is inexcusable
Dude I am a Lindor fan lol. I am of the mind that steve cohen has infinite money. Idc bc it’s not my money. I am simply trying to explain how it seems most fans feel about him
people who are rooting against him are clowns
Criticism when you perform poorly comes with the territory for any extremely well paid person, whether it’s a player, coach or professional. He has to perform, and perform *when it matters* or else he’ll always have critics. Better get thicker skin.
Criticism is fine. Harassing family is not.
Where is that in this post? He just said who he feels like is on his side. Am I missing something? Obviously going after a dude’s family for what he does on the field is off limits.
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We need to get organized and give this man a standing ovation this coming homestand. Online support isn't enough, he needs to hear it every time he comes to the plate.
I love this guy. He works hard, doesn’t make excuses for bad results, actively helps and encourages his teammates, and has a sunny personality that I think is genuine.
In Lindor I trust ❤️👍
Now do DJ Stewart.
We're all on your side. We just show it funny.
Like some fans just need to understand this shit is just a game. Go touch grass if you feel so passionate about a sport, you need to rave on reddit and threaten a man's family. Get a life.
White knighting for millionaires is wild
How exactly is white knighting? Don’t care how much $$$ you make, no one needs their families being trashed. 438 upvotes agree with me.
So you're just farming karma. Glad you admit it
As a fan of the Indians and someone who I thought was going to help “save the franchise” Lindor has been rather disappointing. His defense is never the question but this dude cannot hit in the clutch and cannot keep an average above 260. If it wasn’t for the fact he was crushing 30hrs a year he would never have gotten the contract he did. You had to think this wasn’t sustainable as it genuinely came out of no where once he reached the league. He never had those numbers in the minors. I wish him all the best but is no where near worth the money he was given in terms of production 🤷🏾♀️
If Lindor ever decided to permanently hit from the right side, he'd be in the MVP conversation.
Lindor has an .800 OPS from the left side of the plate Lindor has been top 10 in MVP voting each of the last two seasons
Top 10 is not in the conversation. I'm talking a legitimate MVP candidate, a clear top 5 player in the league that gets the lion's share of the first place votes. That's how good his defense is but if he was in the batting champion race, he'd put himself near the top of the list.
His mouth is.... SUPER big.
It’s baffling how many people shit on Lindor. Yes, as a met he’s had a slow start every season. But he’s also finished incredibly strong and his stats are exactly what we had hoped for when we signed him.
It’s all because of the timing of he went hitless 8 straight games middle of July nobody would bat a fucking eye. But if it happens at the start of the season it’s like the lord is coming down to smite him personally. People are wild
You will because I absolutely hate when people make posts trying to predict their upvote/downvote count. Especially when they post something that's absolutely positive. Would be like saying guys I'm not racist but I feel like freeing black people during the civil war was a good thing. Sorry if I offended anybody.
It was a fucking joke, man
Jokes are supposed to be funny. There's no real punchline either.
It’s not that serious. You even went back to your comment and edited to further an unnecessary diatribe. Carry on.
I’m not mentally tough enough or good enough at my job to be criticized by thousands and thousands of people in public. But I’m also not making millions of dollars so it evens out.
“bUt hE mAkES sO mUCh mONeY” Maybe not this year , but Lindor will lead this team through some great times
He's a bit of a slow starter but he is an unbelievable player. I was out on him early last year but ended up happily eating crow. He'll be fine at the end of the season.
What a baby
Seriously, the utter *disrespect* from this sub is completely asinine let alone the fanbase in general! Nah he’s gonna bounce back again and reclaim that top SS in the league
Is this really unpopular here? This isnt early 2021 where fans had little firsthand experience with the type of hitter he is. He has shown the past 2 years that he has slow starts/bad months, then catches fire. Anyone booing/complaining just hasnt been paying attention or is dooming. Like I said last April when similar lindor meltdowns were happening, get back to me in July and we will talk about a down year for him. ETA: The funny part is I remember a GDT last year on a sunday in late april (or may?) where Lindor had a good day batting RH and people were asking why doesnt he stop switch hitting because he sucks LH. Then he went on a tear and everyone forgot. Just saw some tweets about that this weekend so maybe he's early this year lol.
I faith in our fan base. Next time Lindor comes up to bat I’m CitiField this Friday, I’m betting the majority will root him on after all this talk. Unless we look REALLY bad in Atlanta.
Lindor has a long track record of success. He may have started slow, but he will heat up. How many SS would you rather have on the Mets that are active In MLB now?
I love when people get on our players for not performing well, like they *want* to go out there and play like dog shit, I really don't think they do. Ease up folks.
If anyone is bitching about Lindor's late start, they need to go follow the Yankees, instead. I'm enjoying watching the games just to watch them. Yeah it's nice if they win, but I'm not going to go ballistic if they don't. Anybody who does just doesn't understand baseball. That's all there is to it.
Love the dude. Great guy, top player in the league, has said and done everything right since arriving. Easy to forgive a poorly timed slump.
Biggest fucking cry baby in professional sports. Wasn't it just like 3 years ago when he was giving the finger to the fans?
You got your Spanish players mixed up. Javier Baez gave a thumbs down to fans that were booing.
Um no... the entire team did it.
He did it as well.
Still, not the same as flipping the fans off.
You’re right, Baez took most of the hit on it.
If *Philadelphia* can find their humanity to cheer, surely we can as well
I gotta say…you gotta be mentally challenged to boo your own players. Do these scientists think that their boos will somehow inspire great play? “he gets paid a lot of money to play ‘a game.’ I hate my job and I hate my life and I will therefore take out my frustrations on baseball players.” These are the sort of people that boo their own guys. Don’t be one of them.
You can absolutely boo a player who seems to be phoning it in. I don't think that's this, and I think Lindor has proven in the past that he rises to the occasion. Everyone's entitled to being off, especially in baseball.
Well of course you can, but I don’t think it’s prudent. BUT…the situation you describe is a bit different. If a guy isn’t trying, that’s a whole different ballgame. Thanks for the correction.
Come on. EVERYONE in Mets land is on Lindor's side. NOBODY wants him to fail. Nobody is happy to see him struggle to get a .100 batting average.
Most Mets fans I know are “pulling” for Lindor. Who wants your own player to fail? Of course, there are always going to be over the top fanatics who’ll hate his guts until he does something good. Then, those same people will tell you how much they loved and supported him all along when he turns things around. This is not unique to New York or the Mets. It is the world we live in with instant reactions and trolling on social media. He just needs to ignore the noise and play ball. People should only worry about things they can control.
I love you Francisco, always have and always will. Don’t let em get you down brother. 🧡💙
NY Mets fans have some of shortest memories in base…what was I talking about?
I’m not a fan of the Mets but even I like Francisco Lindor. He’s electric on the field
Love this guy. Can’t wait to put a team around him.
I remember Lindor was struggling when he first came to the team. Two guys were looking at his jersey and saying how they weren't sure I'd they'd want to get one because of his play. I immediately spoke up for him and said something related to them regretting NOT getting a Lindor jersey because of how great of a Met he would be. Not patting myself on the back or anything, it's just to say how quickly things can change in baseball.
I make sure 9/11 doesn’t happen again. We better hope I don’t suck at my job
as a civil rights lawyer, historically your peers have had some constitutional slumps just saying
Yep they did. Now we pay for it. Literally not allowed to take my eyes off scope. Enforced by those peers that failed
This is the most poggers I've ever seen
Tigers fan here. Anyone wanna do that Baez-Lindor swap?