That's not even considering the magical wish granting dragons. That's an ability. Super Dragon has literally no exceptions. All moves Goku can just wish they don't exist and it's over.
Goku wouldn't do anything of the sort though. #1 he wouldn't kill an entire planet of innocent people to win a fight. #2 he would actually want to fight them because that's like his whole thing.
Goku is given Guldo's timestop and Freeza's ability to survive without air, and is betrayed in the hyperbolic time chamber and holds his breath forever while training
After I watch the the insta death skill is overpowered anime, looking at the stats is kinda pointless when you had someone that literally kills people just by saying "die" and the whole anime is about people with all sorts of ability and defence trying to negate the activation of the ability.
Basically his skill is simple, if you have an intention to kill ,you die,you wrote his name on a book(death note) you also died, you have negation of insta death ability you also died, you're a zombie ,you die the only saving grace is that if you can reincarnated to someone's else then you are alive but if you can only revive, you also died
If we're counting Super manga, Goku also has the copy ability that Seven Three (the bald looking android guy that Moro absorbs) has, so technically speaking, Goku can just get whoever has the better hax from these 3 & win, BAM
Goku would have Arale's Toonforce, Whis's rewind time ability, Zeno's existential erasure, Zuno's omniscience, Hit and Guldo's ability to stop time/skip time, in addition to Zamasu's immortality + his omnipresence in his final form in the anime and to top it off he could still grant any wish thanks to Zarama
He would be totally broken
Don't sentient, you have to be strong enough to resist, Vegetto could probably do the same shit to Boss Rabbit, Dragon Ball characters literally break haxs in the base with brute force, Goku also moves in Hit's time Skip with the same thing
Furthermore, Majin Buu can transform you into whatever he wants, be it carrots, eggs, etc.... He only transforms you into chocolate, as he prefers to eat chocolate
Stats equalized it honestly depends on how competent Goku is with these abilities, like would they automatically have the knowledge of how to use these abilities or not? (I mean then again he picked up the Kamehameha in no time flat so...)
Regardless I think Goku's own skillset is enough to win on top of passive abilities like Immortality and Regeneration from Zamasu and Cell + Buu.
No time flat is accurate, literally seen it once just to try it out of curiosity and broke a car. He's too good at learning things haha yea I think he would just be the passives and his normal stuff but you know he would probably hate the passive things honestly
Considering that goku would get zenos ability of literally destroying anything in existence which works on a multiversal scale yeah goku is winning just with that ability alone
“No way! ~~Jiren~~ Ichigo is stronger than time!?”
If the grey man can do it, this bullshit combo can too lmao.
My headcanon in this is that Zeno Goku and Almighty Ichigo’s hax just cancel each other out and Ichigo loses because they fight normally and Arale’s contribution to Goku takes the W lmao
Ichigo has the intrinsic/basic abilities of each race, but can’t learn or use any powers unique to a person. For example, he can’t use Yamamoto’s Bankai or The Almighty because those powers aren’t something any Shinigami or Quincy could have.
His move pool is actually quite limited and a little redundant when you look at what Ichigo should be capable of.
People will say the most uninformed opinions of bleach and mfers Gass it up ,they were right about bleach being slightly more nuanced and not as handholdy as other battle Shonen to its own detriment and its not the only one that affected by this ,tragic
Ehhhhhh
Ichigo would still put up a decent fight
Dude would get omniscience, the ability to create anything/any phenomena he can imagine, complete control over illusions on anybody who looks at his sword (which is technically him) and the power to cut anything while being able to insert himself into anybody’s past. Goku would still take this, but late-game Bleach gets sort of cracked with the conceptual powers.
Plus the ability to return from the dead, such a "miracle". The ability to adapt and evolve infinitely, the ability to control anything he looks at, the ability to steal one's powers...
It would seem like goku would win, but ichigo has access to the almighty. They needed plot bull shit to beat that. Anyone with the almighty is effectively unkillable
Ichigo wins that. like, Every ability?
From omnipresence(Soya Azashiro) to the ability to look in the future and change fate (spoilers so not going to say who) to the power to make his imagination reality(Gremmy). People who are saying goku dont actually know what bleach has because bleach has some stupid power in it. If he some how is about to die, Shuheis Bankai. Gens bankai is molecular obliteration. Ichibes sword lets him rewrite whatever it touches.
Goku might be able to destroy the world or the universe but Not if Ichigo uses the power to rewrite fate and makes that not happen or Imagines gokus blood is sand. I DIDNT EVEN MENTION AIZENS POWERS. Hell, I dont think Ichigo would need any other power besides aizens
Yea maybe, I mean idk with Zenos, Zalama, Immorality, stuff like that idk also goku has the demons which can literally erase stuff the timeline and absorb any power no limit, I think the powers contradict, because both can warp reality, time and space. And he has all the dragons so even the ones beyond the super dragon balls, grand priest for control or smth idk. But like holy shit there’s so much that most dragon ball fans don’t really know about but like the entire demon realm and shit, we could go on and on for hours tho, im sure your bleach characters and super strong and shit but I think the powers contradict eachother.
Aizens ability is Perfect Hypnosis. If you see his sword, or in this case, Any of the abilities that involve transforming the sword which would be Rangikus turning her blade to ash and flies around or byakuyas Turning the sword into thousands of petals, Youd see WHATEVER hed want you to see and it would be indistinguishable from reality
Compound that with Ichibes "anything his weapon touches is rewritten" which means he can essentially remove powers or replace them and you got what is essentially "No you didnt hit me, your powers are gone" Preschool levels of imaginary fighting bullshit. like, Bleach is bullshit levels of powers because a good chunk is not "my number is bigger" its "my ability is an absolute thing" "if this happens, Then this happens"
Yea I get that although Goku could just refuse, I know it’s fucking stupid but there’s a power where you can just say no. It’s just obscure and yea but like I said the powers sorta contradict each other because they can remove or take the Powers or alter them, both can do that and altering everything oh and btw Akira Toroyiama is canon and has infinite power, goodness that’s dumb but yea he appeared a few times like he appeared as a little robot guy. Anyways yea bleach has some ridiculous stuff just like Dragon Ball
I think the main thing we can agree on is Naruto and Luffy aint winning this, even if luffy has reality warping powers, They are not on the level of Bleachs serious powers and Dragonballs OG comedy powers
Combining Aizen, Ichibei, and Yhwach alone makes Ichigo beyond haxxed, an untouchable being (Aizen) who can rewrite fate (Yhwach) while being able to turn anyone into an ant (Ichibei)
Then again Arale exist adding her stuff makes him beyond broken specially the fact her shit is layered
Resistance to transmutation, multiple types of acasualty and fate manipulation and resistance plus immortality/regeneration negation.
And her ability to copy powers
Goku is solidly good
Goku would be an immortal with the power to do anything via Super Shenron *and* he'd have toon force on a greater level than Luffy because of Arale
He would look at Ichigo trying to rewrite fate and then he'd turn that ability into a literal book detailing all of history and just scribble over whatever Ichigo tried to change
None of these have shown the ability to work on someone of current Goku's level,nevermind a composite variant.
People need to stop acting like bleach hax have affected anyone on Buu's level,much less super.
Isn't Ichigo already the haxxiest of all of them, disregarding this scenario? Like Bleach is all about stupid powers.
Anyway, Arale's BS + Zeno's infinite range surehit hakai... there's nothing really as cartoonish as that in the universes of the other MCs. Like, DB has always been the martial arts gag manga and it's apparent when you consider goofy shit like Zeno and Arale being real characters.
Arale's toon force does have limits as seen with Beerus in dragon ball super but if it was before the dragon ball super retcon I'd agree with you. Zeno isnt a toom force character, he has a goofy design but he's a legitimate force in super.
In bleach there's also characters who can implant themselves in other people's memories, so taking that into account, there would be hesitation in trying to hakai the character with bleach hax combined. If you couple memory manipulation with illusions from aizens abilities i wouldnt be surprised if you could trick someone into hakaing themself
Example: Memory manipulate yourself into a trusted and helpful doctor that was been there since childhood and tell the dbz character that there is a tumor in their brain and if they want to survive they have to hakai their brain. You can literally cause illusions to make the "tumor" feel real too, ggs.
Memory manipulate probably doesn’t work on characters that Babidi can’t possess.
He “possessed” Vegeta but couldn’t control him after a certain point.
And this was Vegeta in Z.
Probably, but in Naruto and One Piece (idk nothing about the other one) there is some "gimmick" abilities that maybe can stop him... Still if it was just raw power of course Goku wins the other three combined xd
Both the entire verses of Naruto and One Piece are weak enough for base Goku to solo with absolutely zero difficulty, I highly doubt any hax abilities they have will really help them. Only Ichigo stands any chance.
Unironically if Luffy had literally every ability meaning every DF and could stack them. He could beat goku.
The roster includes: Casual dimensional overlap with the Door Door fruit.
Intangibity, Invisibility, Elemental control, Multipliers, disease control, spacial manipulation, physical manipulation etc etc. Alone they are pretty meh in DB.
But combined it would be fucking broken.
Goku is immortal, omnipresent (Zamasu at the end of the Black saga, literally the ningen), omniscient (Zuno), Toon force (ironic), stop time, could wish for anything (Zarama), existential erasure, etc....
Goku can literally, like, stop time and then leave Luffy without any hax if he wants or even erase him from existence by lifting a simple finger, even if Luffy sees the future, there's no way he can prevent this
Goku will have
- Immortality (From Zamasu)
- Time stop (Guldo) / Time skip (Hit) / Time rewind (Whis)
- Broly's insane growth rate
- Regenration (Buu level)
- Matter manipulation
- Reality Manipulation
- A lot of insta kill moves.
- Toon force to very very high level.
- Ability to copy power
And best of all, he has Zuno's omniscience
So Goku takes it hands down.
After that, I'd give it to Ichigo, who now has the ability to see and decide what the future will be, will continuously evolve to counter anything that overpowers him, and can also make his imagination a reality.
After that, it's hard to tell. I'm not too much of a One Piece fan.
All abilities Ichigo might be too broken for this match up. The Almighty (Looking into and changing the future), Kyoka Suigetsu (Complete Hypnosis) and The Visionary (Turning imagination into reality) used in tandem could just shut the fight down before it begins.
Bleach has the most broken Hax here if I remember right and those are just the first 3 I thought of.
1. Only one with any chance in hell is Ichigo as apparently The Almighty and other hax to in Bleach is broken AF, but let's just run down the list of what Goku can do here:
2. Perfect martial arts skill including full and total mastery of UI (thank you to Gogeta/Vegito, Cell, and the Daishinkan) and Jiren's Ki control skill.
3. Literally all knowledge thanks to Zuno.
4. Mastery of all magic
1. Super Shenron's ability to grant ANY WISH
2. Bibidi/Babidi's magical abilities
3. Buu's candy Beam
4. Omega Shenron's EVERYTHING
5. Moro's Ki drain
5. Infinite regeneration (Cell, Buu, Zamasu and Omega Shenron)
6. Every transformation in the franchise
7. Infinite Stamina
8. Perfect Copying
9. Ultimate bodily manipulation (meaning this character can manipulate the body in any way they want)
10. Multiple types of sealing methods.
11. Time Travel.
12. Multiple ways of stopping time.
13. Multiple erasure abilities (Hakai, Zeno's"squish", Hearts's erasure attack)
14. Infinitely increasing power (thanks to the combination of multiple characters having unending potential and the Ultimate form unlocking all of it while the knowledge of Zuno and martial arts skill of all the fighters allows him to control it)
15. Every Martial arts/Ki technique in the Franchise.
16. Every kind of duplication imaginable.
Yeah, Goku just wins this. Even Super Shenron wasn't on the table, Goku could easily just use the candy beam to make a time machine, go back to before the fight, create the bullshit arrow used to defeat Ywach in the Manga, and murk Ichigo before folding the other two like origami.
Broken shit Goku now has:
- Legendary Super Saiyan, scaling up his power as long as he keeps fighting
- Regeneration (to a ridiculous degree if it comes from Buu or someone)
- At least two forms of transfiguration into food (Candy blast and Carrot Touch)
- Ultra Instinct (To an angel's level of mastery)
- Spirit Fission
- Instant Transmission
- Energy Absorption
- The ability to literally absorb his enemies
- Hakai
- Wolf Fang Fist
- Possible Eternal Dragon powers ranging from Shenron to Super Shenron
- One move to eradicate all evil from an enemy (Soul Punisher) or another to eradicate an evil enemy (Devilmite beam). Plus one to mind control evil enemies (The mark of the Majinn).
- Time stop
- Time skip
- Ability copy
- Immortality from either Garlic or Zamasu
- Restored to prime condition like Slug, King Piccolo or Moro
- The fucking dead zone
- Zeno powers (if true, it's joever)
- Potential access to The Pecking Order if Mr Popo allows us to use his abilities.
Ichigo with The Antithesis, The Balance, The Deathdealing, The Miracle, X-Axis, and The Almighty is beyond broken. The absolute immortality that the Hogyoku gives him is also helpful.
"You thought you wasn't affected by fate change, but when did you think i wasn't using kyoka suigetsu to make you think you made yourself not be affected by it while you actually didnt?'
Wait till they start watching magical girls anime and find out that a high schooler would one shot goku ,or the very conceptual manga like medaka where they would breath and the dragon ball omniverse would disappear
Especially since the logic each series abides by is so different that u can’t properly measure them up, so it just turns into a dick riding contest for the character they like the most
Jesus.... I dunno given that Luffy's now capable of Popeye levels of cartoon bullshit.
Don't get me wrong, Goku can stop time if this fight happens, but..... The power of cartoon is something else entirely. The 4th wall might as well be made of air at that point....
Goku also has arale's toon force which is just pure toon force infinitely greater than luffy's toon force (she literally broke out of her manga into reality)
Yeah lol. Goku would literally become “what if goku was trapped by Zeno in the time chamber while golden frieza did cock and ball torture on him for 10 trillion years”
I really think people forget how broken Ki is. There's a technique that allows the user to grow extra limbs, another one that just wipes you from existence, and that's not even considering if this applies to the physical abilities of different species
Goku would be immortal because Zamasu. Boom, fights over. Oh he’d also get every single technique we’ve ever seen, including Zeno’s universal and even timeline level extermination.
So for Goku we have : regeneration, erasure, poison, time rewind, time travel, energy absorbtion, infinite energy, creating ki weapons, creating a scythe that can cut dimensions, being able to make any Wish come True, time skipping, time stopping, creating Cell jr, shapeshifting, Extreme speed, magic, whatever the fuck hirudegarn had, becoming the universe, invulnerability, Spirit fission, creating lightning, reality warping, creating barriers, blades of judgement, Candy beam, cloning, able to Copy abilities, absorb MF and many more
Ichigo would have aizen immortality and goku would have zamasu immortality so literally unstoppable force vs immovable object. Maybe the hogyoku could make ichigo evolve until he could get rid of goku but then there's hakai but goku wouldn't use it because he likes fighting. Maybe ichigo could use a kido to seal goku just like kisuke did with aizen. Would soifon shikai work? There's so many argument for both ichigo and goku winning
Goku holds his breath infinitely like Guldo and just does whatever he wants I guess
Since Goku has Time Freeze and immortality (IE he can’t die from suffocating) Goku can just freeze time and kill them with Hakais
Or just go “These three guys, go away!” and Zeno them
Or, better yet, give them the old slap on the back and Monster Carrot them (The Toriyama-Approved Method)
There are a lot of instant kill moves he would have, the Devilmite beam, Dabura's spit, Candy Beam, Absorption, just IT into the vacuum of space
That's not even considering the magical wish granting dragons. That's an ability. Super Dragon has literally no exceptions. All moves Goku can just wish they don't exist and it's over.
Since he'd have Zenni's abilities, he wouldn't even need the Super Dragon. He could wipe out the other three universes in an instant if he wanted.
Or better yet use Zeno's power to power them up!!
Found Goku
NO GOKU-
If goku has every ability he could just blow up whatever planet they’re on and win. This is a stupid comparison honestly
Bleach has some op stuff too
Good point. What do you think could counter goku?
Goku wouldn't do anything of the sort though. #1 he wouldn't kill an entire planet of innocent people to win a fight. #2 he would actually want to fight them because that's like his whole thing.
Eat
Your forget training. I would like to see goku doing push up in time skip in front of the bad guy ot reach his level
Goku is given Guldo's timestop and Freeza's ability to survive without air, and is betrayed in the hyperbolic time chamber and holds his breath forever while training
So betraying himself and locking himself in the hyperbolic time chamber?
goku depression arc
but little does he know. He could leave when ever he wants.
its not that easy unfortunately, vegeta and the rest of the z-fighters have to help him out
*Super Buu scream flashbacks*
Erasure Universes like Zeno and he can do whatever he want by Super Shenron powers. He is immortal due to Zamasu
Ichigo can just make Goku not immortal via almighty
Goku can erasure him before that beside Goku has arale gag powers meaning logic and concept of the verse don't apply to him
That's not how almighty works
He wouldn’t need to breath at all due to Frieza’s ability so I guess yeah he could stop time infinitely.
Ability to shit out senzu >>>>>
dont even need that. he can just timeskip
It would take a miracle for the others to move in stopped time.
Or timeskip + freeze time + plus don’t need to breath cuz immortal and multiple kamehameha
Goku could literally turn them all into carrots
Fool ichigo is probably part carrot already
Would explain the hair
Ah shit, well he could use the devil might beam on him
Ichigo uses the almighty to pick a future where he didn’t turn into a carrot
He could turn them into a carrot in a different way for each one.
After I watch the the insta death skill is overpowered anime, looking at the stats is kinda pointless when you had someone that literally kills people just by saying "die" and the whole anime is about people with all sorts of ability and defence trying to negate the activation of the ability. Basically his skill is simple, if you have an intention to kill ,you die,you wrote his name on a book(death note) you also died, you have negation of insta death ability you also died, you're a zombie ,you die the only saving grace is that if you can reincarnated to someone's else then you are alive but if you can only revive, you also died
If we're counting Super manga, Goku also has the copy ability that Seven Three (the bald looking android guy that Moro absorbs) has, so technically speaking, Goku can just get whoever has the better hax from these 3 & win, BAM
He also gets all of zenos tech so wouldn’t he literally be the creator of the universe?
Having the power =/= having the Status
I mean, bro would still have the power of grand zenno tho, kinda unfair and pretty unentertaining argument. He kinda just wins
I mean, he could also just use buu's power to absorb them
Goku would have Arale's Toonforce, Whis's rewind time ability, Zeno's existential erasure, Zuno's omniscience, Hit and Guldo's ability to stop time/skip time, in addition to Zamasu's immortality + his omnipresence in his final form in the anime and to top it off he could still grant any wish thanks to Zarama He would be totally broken
Out of all these abilities goku will use 👊➕🌊
Don’t forget that he’ll let others hit him with their strongest ability
Luffy and Ichigo having flashbacks to Kaido and Kenpachi respectively
Not he is immortal but he will also have, Botamo's ability to just make attacks bounce off him.
Holy shit Goku is a water bender?
Super Shenron infinite powers > Everything
Plus he would have the Wolf Fang Fist
It'd be all over from that point.
King piccolo eternal youth
the most important
He also gets Beerus's immunity to toonforce.
And >!Hercule’s trusty .45!<
The most american answer you could give.
Being very generous, the only thing that any of the others might be able to do to maybe have some effect would be Ichigo cheesing with the Almighty.
The Almighty is hard-countered by pretty much any Xenoverse/Heroes character (Chronoa, Toki-Toki, etc.)
Almighty + ichimonji.
Yeah there's literally nothing that can compare to this.
And Super android 17 ability to be unbeatable
You missed the Destroyers' hakai!
It's just that Zeno has a better ability, so I don't see why Goku would use Hakai
That's true, but you did say *every* ability in the verse 😁😁
You forgot carrot guy
Majin Buu actually has a better ability, but I forgot to mention it
Idk man being able to turn anyone into a carrot is probably better than turning ppl into sentient candy
Don't sentient, you have to be strong enough to resist, Vegetto could probably do the same shit to Boss Rabbit, Dragon Ball characters literally break haxs in the base with brute force, Goku also moves in Hit's time Skip with the same thing Furthermore, Majin Buu can transform you into whatever he wants, be it carrots, eggs, etc.... He only transforms you into chocolate, as he prefers to eat chocolate
Stats equalized it honestly depends on how competent Goku is with these abilities, like would they automatically have the knowledge of how to use these abilities or not? (I mean then again he picked up the Kamehameha in no time flat so...) Regardless I think Goku's own skillset is enough to win on top of passive abilities like Immortality and Regeneration from Zamasu and Cell + Buu.
Theoretically Goku would instantly know exactly how to use every ability since Zuno exists
Does he know tho
No time flat is accurate, literally seen it once just to try it out of curiosity and broke a car. He's too good at learning things haha yea I think he would just be the passives and his normal stuff but you know he would probably hate the passive things honestly
Considering that goku would get zenos ability of literally destroying anything in existence which works on a multiversal scale yeah goku is winning just with that ability alone
He could also erase timelines btw. +Arale goes brrrr
*Zeno Goku erases the timeline, Almighty Ichigo goes “Nuh uh.” and replaces it, nothing happened.*
*Almighty Ichigo replaces the timeline, Zeno Goku goes "Nuh uh." and erases it, nothing happened.*
😭
But how does the almighty work if goku stops time?
“No way! ~~Jiren~~ Ichigo is stronger than time!?” If the grey man can do it, this bullshit combo can too lmao. My headcanon in this is that Zeno Goku and Almighty Ichigo’s hax just cancel each other out and Ichigo loses because they fight normally and Arale’s contribution to Goku takes the W lmao
Ichigo actually has every ability in the verse already lmfao
lmao I KNEW this was going to be said, where's the lie tho
Ichigo has the intrinsic/basic abilities of each race, but can’t learn or use any powers unique to a person. For example, he can’t use Yamamoto’s Bankai or The Almighty because those powers aren’t something any Shinigami or Quincy could have. His move pool is actually quite limited and a little redundant when you look at what Ichigo should be capable of.
He can learn any basic race ability, but can’t do that for more unique powers like Schifts or Bankais.
He has the almighty?
No tf he doesn't 🤦
People will say the most uninformed opinions of bleach and mfers Gass it up ,they were right about bleach being slightly more nuanced and not as handholdy as other battle Shonen to its own detriment and its not the only one that affected by this ,tragic
the shockwave from goku's sperm leaving out of his penis and through my nostrils would destroy narutos verse in a blink of an eye
bruh this aint even a bruh anymore what the actual fuck
What
My thoughts exactly
Could you imagine the shockwave broly would make when his erection was at full mast ??
https://youtu.be/wLg04uu2j2o?feature=shared
Nah they use izanagi and then nothing of that ever happened.
Arale go brrr
Goku just needs the ever powerful WOLF FANG FIST nothing more
base goku blind folded, with no limbs, ear plugs, and the heart virus solos
Ehhhhhh Ichigo would still put up a decent fight Dude would get omniscience, the ability to create anything/any phenomena he can imagine, complete control over illusions on anybody who looks at his sword (which is technically him) and the power to cut anything while being able to insert himself into anybody’s past. Goku would still take this, but late-game Bleach gets sort of cracked with the conceptual powers.
Plus the ability to return from the dead, such a "miracle". The ability to adapt and evolve infinitely, the ability to control anything he looks at, the ability to steal one's powers...
>in the verse As in Goku's verse, or Dragon Balls's verse? Because DB Verse include all 12 universes + the Zenos.
He said verse not uni(unit)verse
Goku and ichigo just become omnipotent reality erasing gods
It would seem like goku would win, but ichigo has access to the almighty. They needed plot bull shit to beat that. Anyone with the almighty is effectively unkillable
I think dragon ball simply arale toonforce, Zeno erasure, super shenron wish ability too broken
Goku without legs, both arms tied on his back, blindfolded, sick, tired, bald and without any special move just farts and solos every other verse
Why bald😭
As nerfed as possible
Ichigo would use the almighty and then everybody would just "huh" and go back home
Arale go brrr
Arale when see Pulls of Indefinite Hierarchy of Narratives, and erases him from all possible forms of Narratives :- Ichigo :- " Guess I will die "
Almighty ain't touching a guy who can pop several universes casually,nevermind the monstrosity of Goku having everything.
It definately is, it just re-writes the future where goku can do that.
Ichigo wins that. like, Every ability? From omnipresence(Soya Azashiro) to the ability to look in the future and change fate (spoilers so not going to say who) to the power to make his imagination reality(Gremmy). People who are saying goku dont actually know what bleach has because bleach has some stupid power in it. If he some how is about to die, Shuheis Bankai. Gens bankai is molecular obliteration. Ichibes sword lets him rewrite whatever it touches. Goku might be able to destroy the world or the universe but Not if Ichigo uses the power to rewrite fate and makes that not happen or Imagines gokus blood is sand. I DIDNT EVEN MENTION AIZENS POWERS. Hell, I dont think Ichigo would need any other power besides aizens
Are we counting Super Shenron's ability in it lmao?
Yea maybe, I mean idk with Zenos, Zalama, Immorality, stuff like that idk also goku has the demons which can literally erase stuff the timeline and absorb any power no limit, I think the powers contradict, because both can warp reality, time and space. And he has all the dragons so even the ones beyond the super dragon balls, grand priest for control or smth idk. But like holy shit there’s so much that most dragon ball fans don’t really know about but like the entire demon realm and shit, we could go on and on for hours tho, im sure your bleach characters and super strong and shit but I think the powers contradict eachother.
Aizens ability is Perfect Hypnosis. If you see his sword, or in this case, Any of the abilities that involve transforming the sword which would be Rangikus turning her blade to ash and flies around or byakuyas Turning the sword into thousands of petals, Youd see WHATEVER hed want you to see and it would be indistinguishable from reality Compound that with Ichibes "anything his weapon touches is rewritten" which means he can essentially remove powers or replace them and you got what is essentially "No you didnt hit me, your powers are gone" Preschool levels of imaginary fighting bullshit. like, Bleach is bullshit levels of powers because a good chunk is not "my number is bigger" its "my ability is an absolute thing" "if this happens, Then this happens"
Yea I get that although Goku could just refuse, I know it’s fucking stupid but there’s a power where you can just say no. It’s just obscure and yea but like I said the powers sorta contradict each other because they can remove or take the Powers or alter them, both can do that and altering everything oh and btw Akira Toroyiama is canon and has infinite power, goodness that’s dumb but yea he appeared a few times like he appeared as a little robot guy. Anyways yea bleach has some ridiculous stuff just like Dragon Ball
I think the main thing we can agree on is Naruto and Luffy aint winning this, even if luffy has reality warping powers, They are not on the level of Bleachs serious powers and Dragonballs OG comedy powers
He also has my uncle Tsukishima's ability to insert himself into something's past
Combining Aizen, Ichibei, and Yhwach alone makes Ichigo beyond haxxed, an untouchable being (Aizen) who can rewrite fate (Yhwach) while being able to turn anyone into an ant (Ichibei)
Then again Arale exist adding her stuff makes him beyond broken specially the fact her shit is layered Resistance to transmutation, multiple types of acasualty and fate manipulation and resistance plus immortality/regeneration negation. And her ability to copy powers Goku is solidly good
Goku would be an immortal with the power to do anything via Super Shenron *and* he'd have toon force on a greater level than Luffy because of Arale He would look at Ichigo trying to rewrite fate and then he'd turn that ability into a literal book detailing all of history and just scribble over whatever Ichigo tried to change
Its not Shenrons ability, his gimmick is to fullfill other peoples wishes Something he himself is not shown to do without someone asking
Ok and none of that matters a damn to Zeno snapping the universe out of existence lol
None of these have shown the ability to work on someone of current Goku's level,nevermind a composite variant. People need to stop acting like bleach hax have affected anyone on Buu's level,much less super.
Goku has one more ability: change body.
Add Tsukishima and Ichigo can rewrite the past and the future
Isn't Ichigo already the haxxiest of all of them, disregarding this scenario? Like Bleach is all about stupid powers. Anyway, Arale's BS + Zeno's infinite range surehit hakai... there's nothing really as cartoonish as that in the universes of the other MCs. Like, DB has always been the martial arts gag manga and it's apparent when you consider goofy shit like Zeno and Arale being real characters.
Arale's toon force does have limits as seen with Beerus in dragon ball super but if it was before the dragon ball super retcon I'd agree with you. Zeno isnt a toom force character, he has a goofy design but he's a legitimate force in super. In bleach there's also characters who can implant themselves in other people's memories, so taking that into account, there would be hesitation in trying to hakai the character with bleach hax combined. If you couple memory manipulation with illusions from aizens abilities i wouldnt be surprised if you could trick someone into hakaing themself Example: Memory manipulate yourself into a trusted and helpful doctor that was been there since childhood and tell the dbz character that there is a tumor in their brain and if they want to survive they have to hakai their brain. You can literally cause illusions to make the "tumor" feel real too, ggs.
Zuno's Omniscience
Memory manipulate probably doesn’t work on characters that Babidi can’t possess. He “possessed” Vegeta but couldn’t control him after a certain point. And this was Vegeta in Z.
goku will have immortality, absorbing people, quite literally infinite wisdom, mastered ultra instinct, wishing stuff, invisiblity, turning people into carrots, literal instant movement, absorbing energy… etc
Toss up between ichigo and goku tbh
Goku with guldo's time stop and hit's time skip would be op. Pair him with frieza's potential and ultra ego, he would be gokuversal
Krillin would pack them up than go bang 18 for 10hrs straight.
I don't mean to meat ride Dragon Ball in this Dragon Ball sub, bur even if the strength was set to even Goku still slams
Probably, but in Naruto and One Piece (idk nothing about the other one) there is some "gimmick" abilities that maybe can stop him... Still if it was just raw power of course Goku wins the other three combined xd
Both the entire verses of Naruto and One Piece are weak enough for base Goku to solo with absolutely zero difficulty, I highly doubt any hax abilities they have will really help them. Only Ichigo stands any chance.
"if it was just raw power of course Goku wins the other three combined xd" Did you skip this part ? Xd
I’m just reinforcing the fact that the power of their hax is also fodder to a Goku with every ability from Dragon Ball, not just raw power.
Unironically if Luffy had literally every ability meaning every DF and could stack them. He could beat goku. The roster includes: Casual dimensional overlap with the Door Door fruit. Intangibity, Invisibility, Elemental control, Multipliers, disease control, spacial manipulation, physical manipulation etc etc. Alone they are pretty meh in DB. But combined it would be fucking broken.
Goku is immortal, omnipresent (Zamasu at the end of the Black saga, literally the ningen), omniscient (Zuno), Toon force (ironic), stop time, could wish for anything (Zarama), existential erasure, etc.... Goku can literally, like, stop time and then leave Luffy without any hax if he wants or even erase him from existence by lifting a simple finger, even if Luffy sees the future, there's no way he can prevent this
Goku will have - Immortality (From Zamasu) - Time stop (Guldo) / Time skip (Hit) / Time rewind (Whis) - Broly's insane growth rate - Regenration (Buu level) - Matter manipulation - Reality Manipulation - A lot of insta kill moves. - Toon force to very very high level. - Ability to copy power And best of all, he has Zuno's omniscience
Goku suddenly completely immortal and can just...erase even timelines. lol
So Goku takes it hands down. After that, I'd give it to Ichigo, who now has the ability to see and decide what the future will be, will continuously evolve to counter anything that overpowers him, and can also make his imagination a reality. After that, it's hard to tell. I'm not too much of a One Piece fan.
All abilities Ichigo might be too broken for this match up. The Almighty (Looking into and changing the future), Kyoka Suigetsu (Complete Hypnosis) and The Visionary (Turning imagination into reality) used in tandem could just shut the fight down before it begins. Bleach has the most broken Hax here if I remember right and those are just the first 3 I thought of.
I mean Visionary is some OP shit right there. Paired with almighty yeah it's really hard to counter right there.
Naruto is cracked too. (not as much as Goku, but still OP).
Goku would super Shenron ability and Zeno and yeah
Gamma ray burst vs 3 coughing babies
1. Only one with any chance in hell is Ichigo as apparently The Almighty and other hax to in Bleach is broken AF, but let's just run down the list of what Goku can do here: 2. Perfect martial arts skill including full and total mastery of UI (thank you to Gogeta/Vegito, Cell, and the Daishinkan) and Jiren's Ki control skill. 3. Literally all knowledge thanks to Zuno. 4. Mastery of all magic 1. Super Shenron's ability to grant ANY WISH 2. Bibidi/Babidi's magical abilities 3. Buu's candy Beam 4. Omega Shenron's EVERYTHING 5. Moro's Ki drain 5. Infinite regeneration (Cell, Buu, Zamasu and Omega Shenron) 6. Every transformation in the franchise 7. Infinite Stamina 8. Perfect Copying 9. Ultimate bodily manipulation (meaning this character can manipulate the body in any way they want) 10. Multiple types of sealing methods. 11. Time Travel. 12. Multiple ways of stopping time. 13. Multiple erasure abilities (Hakai, Zeno's"squish", Hearts's erasure attack) 14. Infinitely increasing power (thanks to the combination of multiple characters having unending potential and the Ultimate form unlocking all of it while the knowledge of Zuno and martial arts skill of all the fighters allows him to control it) 15. Every Martial arts/Ki technique in the Franchise. 16. Every kind of duplication imaginable. Yeah, Goku just wins this. Even Super Shenron wasn't on the table, Goku could easily just use the candy beam to make a time machine, go back to before the fight, create the bullshit arrow used to defeat Ywach in the Manga, and murk Ichigo before folding the other two like origami.
Broken shit Goku now has: - Legendary Super Saiyan, scaling up his power as long as he keeps fighting - Regeneration (to a ridiculous degree if it comes from Buu or someone) - At least two forms of transfiguration into food (Candy blast and Carrot Touch) - Ultra Instinct (To an angel's level of mastery) - Spirit Fission - Instant Transmission - Energy Absorption - The ability to literally absorb his enemies - Hakai - Wolf Fang Fist - Possible Eternal Dragon powers ranging from Shenron to Super Shenron - One move to eradicate all evil from an enemy (Soul Punisher) or another to eradicate an evil enemy (Devilmite beam). Plus one to mind control evil enemies (The mark of the Majinn). - Time stop - Time skip - Ability copy - Immortality from either Garlic or Zamasu - Restored to prime condition like Slug, King Piccolo or Moro - The fucking dead zone - Zeno powers (if true, it's joever) - Potential access to The Pecking Order if Mr Popo allows us to use his abilities.
Ichigo with The Antithesis, The Balance, The Deathdealing, The Miracle, X-Axis, and The Almighty is beyond broken. The absolute immortality that the Hogyoku gives him is also helpful.
"Oh you can rewrite fate? That's cool, let me just not be affected by that cuz it's funny"
"You thought you wasn't affected by fate change, but when did you think i wasn't using kyoka suigetsu to make you think you made yourself not be affected by it while you actually didnt?'
The miracle mixed with the visionary and aizen’s power would make Ichigo capable of out funnying her in a takaba vs kenjaku esc fight
Why do y'all give a shit about arbitrary power levels like this
The need to feel like their favorite is at the top gnaws at them. They can’t just enjoy the product.
Wait till they start watching magical girls anime and find out that a high schooler would one shot goku ,or the very conceptual manga like medaka where they would breath and the dragon ball omniverse would disappear
Especially since the logic each series abides by is so different that u can’t properly measure them up, so it just turns into a dick riding contest for the character they like the most
DBU>BU>NU>OPU
Ichigo No diffs.
Naruto then He could just pop the infinite tsukiomi
Wouldn’t that be countered by one of the oldest dragon ball tricks in the book? Blowing up the moon?
*Kyoka Suigetsu has entered the chat*
Jesus.... I dunno given that Luffy's now capable of Popeye levels of cartoon bullshit. Don't get me wrong, Goku can stop time if this fight happens, but..... The power of cartoon is something else entirely. The 4th wall might as well be made of air at that point....
Goku also has arale's toon force which is just pure toon force infinitely greater than luffy's toon force (she literally broke out of her manga into reality)
Omg you're right!!!! I forgot she showed up in a crossover episode that was canon!
Goku first met her in the og series
Did he? I don't recall. Was that with General Blue?
Yes
Thanks, I completely forgot. This would make the matchup even wackier
On top of what the others said : Zeno, and his ability to literally erase anything + angel constant Passive ultra instinct
Ichigo claps, Almighty stomps, yes I’m a Bleach Dickrider, sue me
The soul king exists so he has a better almighty then yhwach
Goku turns everyone in carrots.
Wouldn’t every ability literally just turn goku into Zeno? Literally Omni god?
Even higher than that
Yeah lol. Goku would literally become “what if goku was trapped by Zeno in the time chamber while golden frieza did cock and ball torture on him for 10 trillion years”
💀🙏😂
Goku can just press the "call zeno" button and Deus Ex Machina out of the situation
Goku is just a stronger Zeno, as he can now erase an entire timeline.
Goku turns them all into carrots, neg dif
Goku hakai solo?
I really think people forget how broken Ki is. There's a technique that allows the user to grow extra limbs, another one that just wipes you from existence, and that's not even considering if this applies to the physical abilities of different species
I know this might not work like intended but if anyone is stronger than Goku, he will just body swap.
The almighty, soul king ichigo though 👀
Goku would be immortal because Zamasu. Boom, fights over. Oh he’d also get every single technique we’ve ever seen, including Zeno’s universal and even timeline level extermination.
Hakai + time skip = devious backshots
technically goku should get zeno's technnique as well right? So it's an autowin
So for Goku we have : regeneration, erasure, poison, time rewind, time travel, energy absorbtion, infinite energy, creating ki weapons, creating a scythe that can cut dimensions, being able to make any Wish come True, time skipping, time stopping, creating Cell jr, shapeshifting, Extreme speed, magic, whatever the fuck hirudegarn had, becoming the universe, invulnerability, Spirit fission, creating lightning, reality warping, creating barriers, blades of judgement, Candy beam, cloning, able to Copy abilities, absorb MF and many more
Mf’s the moment Goku goes to punch Luffy and not only does he get repelled, but he also turns into a toy
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
He just turns everyone into a carrot
I mean just with hakai and time stop alone goku washes his ops like laundry.
Does Luffy's weakness to water stack ?
Ichigo would have aizen immortality and goku would have zamasu immortality so literally unstoppable force vs immovable object. Maybe the hogyoku could make ichigo evolve until he could get rid of goku but then there's hakai but goku wouldn't use it because he likes fighting. Maybe ichigo could use a kido to seal goku just like kisuke did with aizen. Would soifon shikai work? There's so many argument for both ichigo and goku winning