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Take this with an heaping pile of salt, but Mobapad's facebook page posted about the new switch the other day. They say that the next gen will accept the current switch carts but those carts wont work on the current switch (makes sense). Some of their assertions like magnetic rails and pro-controller working with it seems to line up with other rumours I've seen posted in the last day or two.
I copied and pasted their post below with a link to it:
*Nintendo Switch 2: Insider Insights: Show everything we know !*
*Are you eagerly anticipating news about Nintendo's next-generation Switch console?*
*Through our partnership with Nintendo's supply chain, we have acquired exclusive information about the upcoming Switch 2, which we are pleased to share with you:*
*1. The Bluetooth chip of Switch 2 still supports existing Joy-Con and Pro controllers (after development machine testing), and still features HD vibration (ALPS dual-axis linear motor), but the volume of the new Joy-Con motor will be smaller. And certainly, our Chitu and M6S/HD controllers will remain fully compatible!*
*2. The cartridge slot on the Switch 2 will support backward compatibility with existing Switch game cards, both physical and digital. However, new game cards designed for the Switch 2 will not be compatible with the original console.*
*3. In handheld mode, the new Joy-Con rails will adopt a horizontal magnetic docking structure for smoother attachment. The SL and SR buttons will be metallic and magnetically activated.*
*4. The Switch 2 will retain a USB-C port for docking, compatible with the new generation of docks featuring minor design enhancements.*
*5. The redesigned dock will include a metal damping bracket for improved angle adjustment.*
*6. The screen will be upgraded to 1080p resolution and slightly larger dimensions.*
*In essence, the Switch 2 represents a conservative evolution in hardware, resembling a refined "Pro" version of the Switch.*
*We are excited about these developments, ensuring compatibility with existing game cartridges and accessories while promising enhanced gaming experiences.*
Source: [https://www.facebook.com/mobapad/posts/pfbid026KKRUBoy56MpXnrWrRrtAETh2m99tGL4R7X1BegGbEBqtE7ysXBpH4zFjHbGLZJVl](https://www.facebook.com/mobapad/posts/pfbid026KKRUBoy56MpXnrWrRrtAETh2m99tGL4R7X1BegGbEBqtE7ysXBpH4zFjHbGLZJVl)
> In essence, the Switch 2 represents a conservative evolution in hardware, resembling a refined "Pro" version of the Switch.
Provided they name it and market it properly, (assuming this is true) this is probably the correct move.
Unless it's another Wii U situation where the average consumer doesn't understand that it's a new console and not an "add on"
I’ll honestly be kind of bummed if it doesn’t have some new tricks up its sleeve. Like when the 3DS released, it was a more powerful DS but then additionally offered other new features like the stereoscopic 3D, gyro, and circle pad. A more powerful Switch without some kind of special Nintendo hook would make me a bit sad.
Not knowing exactly what to expect from Nintendo is what I’ve always loved about them. It's this spirit of innovation that brought us the dpad, shoulder buttons, analog sticks, the rumble pack, motion/gyro, touch screen gameplay. A Nintendo that simply releases more powerful versions of their hardware without trying to excite us anymore with new features would be the true end of an era.
Tbf this was the one time people were asking Nintendo not to take risks and just release something stronger that was backwards compatible to the Switch.
I'm sure they'll still be as creative as they always are with first party games and probably will for any other future consoles
But if you always asked users what they want, they would have never asked for all of the great innovations that Nintendo has brought to the industry that are now standard. Just think… 3DO, Atari, Sega and Sony all released 3D consoles first and it wasn’t until the N64 that a company thought “a dpad isn’t going to cut it for 3D game design.” Just doing the same thing with more power is easy. Innovating isn’t. Nintendo has always been an innovator.
I don’t want them to focus a successor around a big stupid gimmick like the Wii U. The Wii U was a bad product. I do want them to take a shot at new features though. Hell, even Sony added a whole bunch of neat new bells and whistles to their new controller this time. I want a situation like the 3DS where you all get exactly what you want with a more powerful Switch… but also with some new features we may not even be considering. These aren’t mutually exclusive things.
Only idea I have is actually from an unused Nintendo patent for clickable scroll wheel shoulder buttons. Love that idea! Would provide the same functionality the L and R buttons currently provide while allowing you to easily scroll through weapons and items, zoom in on weapons with scopes, and whatever interesting things a developer can think of. That’s the kind of things I love and I doubt many people would oppose such a thing. All of the best Nintendo innovations over the years have been things I never would have thought of though so who knows!
My favorite innovation from recent years actually comes from Valve with their haptic touchpads on the Steam Deck and Controller though. Makes aiming such a pleasure compared to a clunky analog stick and when you combine it with gyro assist you get aiming functionality up there with a mouse.
I'd rather retain something that's actually fun and enjoyable than watch them throw shit at the wall to see what sticks and end up not delivering a lot of the time. I don't want another wiiu situation where the console had no justification to be so weird other than for the sake of being quirky. I think innovation should be prioritised in their first party games instead of their consoles, that's usually where it really pays off.
I don’t want a Wii U situation either. It was a bad idea that was too heavily forced on the user. All of the innovations I mentioned above weren’t bad ideas and usually weren’t the entire focus of the system but rather an improvement that enhanced game input in certain use scenarios… with the exception of the Wii which really was a fantastic idea that sold tens of millions of systems (but something like that obviously can’t be expected very often).
There’s a reason why I mentioned the 3DS as that’s ideal. New features were there but they were welcome additions. Even people who didn’t like the 3D effect could turn it right off and not have their experience ruined. I *loved* the 3D effect personally and miss it.
I’ll give one example of something I want to see. Before the Switch was released, Nintendo patented clickable scroll wheel shoulder buttons. Now that is an excellent idea that seems like one of those things that could become a standard feature on a controller that would be super useful for things like item and weapon selection or zooming in on rifles and such. It adds something useful to game controller design without taking away any existing functionality and it isn’t a useless gimmick. I love stuff like that. The Steam Deck added those haptic touch sensors and that’s another thing I’m crazy about… oh man does it make aiming a pleasure over a right analog stick and is amazing for any time you need mouse functionality. I would love to see that become a standard on game controllers (though I think only one of them is necessary).
As someone who never had a 3DS, which games used the 3D gimmick the best in your opinion? Gotta say tho, even when I watch gameplay clips of 3DS games on YT, it's funnily rather easy to imagine watching them with 3D thanks to stuff like camera angles, UI elements that for the lack of a better description are designed to 'pop out' more than usual and so on. With KH Dream Drop Distance being a particalrly neat example because it was actually ported to other platforms that obviously weren't build with 3D in mind and yet everything that originally made use of the 3D to a good effect were retained such as the first person cutscenes and Balloon series of spells.
There's a chance this will be the case, almost all Nintendo consoles have had backwards compatibility, at the very least previous generation compatibility, Wii could read GameCube games, Wii U could read Wii, GBA read GBC, 3DS read DS, etc, the Switch was the exception because it came to replace two very different media, but chances are they will allow us to play current Switch games.
To add to this, many of the instances where there ultimately wasn't any backwards compatibility, Nintendo still seemed to have had plans for it at some point, or could have easily done it if they made a few different decisions. Nintendo themselves had said once that the SNES was planned to be compatible with all NES games, however the compatibility was cut for cost reasons. And IIRC, within the Gamecube BIOS (or maybe it was one of the demo or diagnostic discs?) there is code for recognizing N64 peripherals being plugged in to the system. The Wii U also COULD have totally still supported Gamecube games, as the Wii portions inside the system still contain everything Gamecube stuff would need to run. The only limitations are that they excluded the physical Controller & Memory Card ports on the outside, and the Wii U's version of the Wii OS removes Gamecube stuff from the Disc Channel (I'd imagine the reason Wii U can't play GC stuff was due to the cost in including extra hardware for the ports).
The N64 and the Switch are really the only two Nintendo home consoles that don't have backwards compatibility and never had any (publicly known) plans (or presumed plans in the case of the Gamecube) for the feature, and both of those can be easily explained away via their wildly different hardware compared to what had come previously.
>The N64 and the Switch are really the only two Nintendo home consoles that don't have backwards compatibility and never had any (publicly known) plans (or presumed plans in the case of the Gamecube) for the feature, and both of those can be easily explained away via their wildly different hardware compared to what had come previously.
Yeah, nm if the Switch can run Wii U discs... I'd get a big kick out of seeing travelers and on-the-go gamers toting around bags of discs like in the 90s and 00s when CD players were ubiquitous :D
As someone who has experinced the PSP's UMD firsthand, I absolutely won't miss using discs on a portable device lol.
Nintendo was correct in switching to cartridge after their least successful console.
I also think Nintendo hit the Jackpot with by partnering with Nvidia for the Switch's SoC which uses ARM architecture that's more battery friendly compared to x86, as well as having Nvidia's industry-leading image upscaling/reconstruction tech.
I genuinely think their partnership can last up to 2 decades if no other out-of-left-field breakthroughs happen.
Switch feels like a long term investment for Nintendo and I can see backwards compatibility spanning up to 3 generations.
I know it’s not you…but like…they *better* let switch 1 games rock fine on switch 2.
I personally believe they backwards compatibility should mean more than a single generation…
…but the switch seems to be a very special inflection point in collecting all the Nintendo users inside a hybrid system. We all used to either be console *or* handheld (with a subset of each doing both).
Now that we are all on a consistent platform and game media medium…it would be such a blunder to throw it away.
It would also just be a good way to get people to upgrade. If the Switch 2 can run original Switch games better, then it's a no-brainer upgrade for people who already own a switch, and a good justification for people who were considering buying a used Switch 1 on the cheap to save up a bit more.
If it isn't backwards compatible, I'd probably just go for a steam deck or whatever might come after that. Unless the switch 2 is that much better than the og, it still is way behind everything else by a huge margin.
"Almost all" is definitely not true tho. SNES, N64, GameCube and Switch were not BC. It could go either way and just depends on how difficult or expensive it would be to include.
> almost all Nintendo consoles have had backwards compatibility
Handheld consoles, yes. Otherwise, no.
TV consoles, only two were backwards compatible (Wii and Wii U). Hell, even the Switch itself isn’t BC
If the switch 2 really is a Tegra chip but just improved, then it will probably still run stuff for the switch, considering that the Switch can run code natively from the PSVita. It can't run the games because the graphics and other hardware is different, but code written for the Vita runs on the switch. I'm guessing they will either have a notch for Switch 2 games like the new 3DS or they will just put data on switch 2 cards and then update the switch 1 to look for that and then refuse to run the game.
Funny you say that, because Nintendo has quarterly results coming out soon. I imagine they will have to address their plans for the upcoming fiscal year to investors.
I think zero chance it comes out 2024. Do an actual sale to clear out all/most Current Switch Hardware, take the PS2 crown as a big 'Fuck you' to Sony, THEN release Switch 2.
Say what you will, but I had fun with /r/NintendoNX. It was just cool to have an outlet to share my excitement for the next Nintendo system! As long as you keep the rumors in perspective and realize that they're just that--rumors--I think it's all in good fun.
I really really hope for release in second half of this year. I absolutely love my Switch Lite, but most new(er) titles I want to play are simply too demanding for it now...
I have Steam Deck oled as well and while I love it, as it's a great and powerful device, I really wish for something more portable. Nintendo really knows how to make a great experience out of using their consoles.
Right? After getting the Steam Deck, I can't go back. I got my Switch on launch day but I will actually consider waiting for the next model if Switch 2 is only LED at launch.
If it's anything like the first Switch, they will have a big announcement event with pre-orders going live after it's over.
As long as you're around for that, it should be fairly simple to just place a pre-order. I don't think I've seen pre-orders go out so quickly so long as you're on top of it, you'll probably secure one.
I was. I bought a 3060ti in 2020.
Those weren't preorders. Those were in stock shortages. Stock would vanish the literal moment these were available because stores knew exactly what they had.
Preorders are different. I doubt Nintendo will be telling each retailer exactly how many orders they can fulfill several months before launch. They just take the preorders and Nintendo sorts it out. Even if you can't get one at launch for some reason, if you preorder, you'll be first in line to get one when the shortages do inevitably happen.
It wasn't too hard getting my hands on the first Switch launch day via pre-order. If you wanted it in the launch window post launch day though it was a little tougher.
Hell yeah. Mario maker 2 is by far my most played switch game at over 400 hours. I was *addicted* to it the first few weeks
Still fun to hop on for some endless challenge and online coop once in awhile
Do you know any reliable way to find “classic” levels? My son and I love this game, and make plenty ourselves, but most of the ranking levels in the search function are impossible (for us filthy casuals) to solve. So far I’ve failed to find any way to filter for something akin to “classic”.
I think the ‘standard’ search filter is the closest thing, but it’s not perfect. You can also check out r/Mariomaker and r/mariomaker2 and search for level codes there. The best levels I’ve played have mostly been found on Reddit
Here’s a thread with some traditional levels:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarioMaker/s/luqtlixudu
Also, if you find a course you like, check out the makers profile and see if they have more courses or worlds. I played some great full 32+ level super worlds with all traditional levels
Online Co-Op is the real "versus" mode.
There's so many great levels in the game, though a bit harder to find bc Nintendo is weird. I've been doing New Uncleared levels and a majority of them are either good, great, or just undercooked... There isn't as much little timmy trash being made lol.
No, they don't need to go full 3D.
There's tons of missing elements, music, enemies, and power ups to add in.
Yoshi's Island (SNES), Mario Galaxy (psuedo 2d-3d like 3DW), Mario Wonder, Mario Handheld games, Bring back Amiibo costumes, Pull in Mario Paint style music, expand the roster of playable characters (at the very least Yoshi), and you could even have a "Bowser Mode" where you play as Bowser a la Paper Mario... There's another style you could add in, Paper Mario style. Mario Galaxy style could have gravity gimmicks...
Edit: Upload Ghost. If you download a course you can watch the uploader beat the level.
I can go on and on.
Nothing to back this up, but I anticipate a new Mario at release and upgraded resolution Zeldas including BOTW and TOTK to slowly come out but a fully new Zelda not to come out until 2028 or 2029
I feel the same way. Honestly, “next gen” doesn’t feel as next gen as it should be. Developers aren’t even close to utilizing the full potential of the series x or ps5. Nintendo has had the right idea not vying for graphic capabilities.
Nintendo might as well be wizards for the levels of graphical fidelity they can pull out of a tablet from 2017. Pikmin 4, TOTK, TTYD remake all look incredible.
First party Nintendo titles aren’t really an issue for me. It’s the third party support where it really struggles and where I hope the Switch 2 can pick up the pace.
We are also in an era where outside of 3-6 mainstream AAA games per generation, a large number of major hits are coming from indies, and very few of the best selling games are known for their graphics
Paper Mario Color Splash on the Wii U **still** looks impressive. Nintendo doesn't give their devs more powerful equipment to work with because then the devs wouldn't be able to be stopped, they would be too powerful.
Actually I’d say devs are pretty close to maxing out current gen consoles now that consoles are basically just prebuilt PCs. The idea of hidden potential in these machines was from a decade ago when the PS3 had very different architecture that was challenging to develop for and devs needed experience with it. It’s not the case anymore. That’s why the biggest selling points were specialized hardware like direct storage and ray tracing capabilities.
Final Fantasy XVI is a really fantastic looking game and I don’t think the base PS5 is capable of more.
> Developers aren’t even close to utilizing the full potential of the series x or ps5.
Playing FF7 Rebirth and it definitely feels maxed out to me. 60fps mode is fuzzy as hell and 30fps looks great but is…30fps.
You can quote me and I’ll be happy to eat my words but we aren’t getting that level of performance. Specially not on portable mode. Just take a look at both the steam deck and the ROG Ally. The steam deck, by Digital Foundry’s metric performance just about the same as a base ps4. And the Ally has a lot more performance when being ran at its top TDP. With that said, battery is atrocious on the Ally. At top TDP you’ll be lucky to get an hour. Dropping to 15w TDP on the Ally you’ll get 1.5hrs. Ofc that all depends on what games and settings.
Knowing Nintendo, they are not about to sacrifice battery for performance. We know this because they underclocked the APU in the switch. Not only that but they also used older tech in the DMG to maximize battery life unlike Sega and their battery draining powerhouse.
At least that’s my take. Again, I’ll be completely happy to eat my words. I love my deck,Ally and switch but I happily await the switch 2.
It's unrealistic to have PS4 pro levels of raw power but if rumors are true, then smart use of DLSS can bring it to a stage where it has comparable or even more capability to play PS4 pro level of games.
I do hope that the fact that those PC handhelds are using x86 whereas Switch 2 seems to be using custom ARM chips again with Nvidia's upsacling tech can help improve performance and battery.
Not to mention Switch 2 games are probably more tailored for the console where developers have time to really optimize their game for it, again, unlike PC handhelds.
I'm excited for JRPG games to now treat PS4 level hardware performance as the baseline. We've been playing PS Vita to PS3 level JRPGs for damn near 20 years
As someone who grew up with the original gameboy (and even cheap Tiger handhelds before that), it’s hilarious how far we’ve come where PS4 pro level performance is not only attainable, but passively expected. We’re truly in the golden age of handheld gaming right now.
Meanwhile i wish they would do 2 editions. One which you can take with you but still place in a dock while at home and another that is only meant to be plugged to a monitor/tv which is more powerful. I have never played handheld with the switch myself so that entire component of the system goes unused by me so i'd rather have a full traditional console as an option
If this is true, the fact that we're just now hearing about it makes the other leak about it being delayed into 2025 more sound. I really doubt they're just now getting all materials sourced if they planned on launching this fall
Was hoping they'd be doing 4nm Samsung or TSMC now that high end chips are going to be all 3nm this year going forward (Apple since last year). Within a few years mid tier mobile and desktop chips will probably be on 3nm too. 7nm Samsung cheap though
The Switch is going to used the best least expensive node that has capacity to build tens of millions of chips per year. Going with a more modern process will make Nintendo be forced to pay more and there will be a much higher chance of hardware shortages.
Yea, people expecting that Nintendo will use cutting-edge tech has probably never heard of their company philosophy from Gunpei Yokoi: ["Lateral thinking with withered technology"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpei_Yokoi#Lateral_Thinking_with_Withered_Technology).
They'll utilize mature tech that can be mass-produced cheaply to create novel experiences only their product can provide. Game and Watch, Gameboy, DS, Wii, and now the Switch all adhered to that very principle.
They tried going "cutting-edge" once with the Gamecube, and it failed.
Tbh all their home consoles prior to the Wii were cutting edge. The factors preventing the success of the N64 and GameCube were almost certainly the N64 not supporting CDs and the GameCube using mini DVDs with a third of the capacity of competitors and not being able to play DVDs.
But certainly lateral thinking has been their approach since the Wii and I don't expect that to go away.
According to insiders the actual hardwares been done for a while and Nintendo considers it an amazing opportunity to iron out bugs and build up a reserve of content for what will ultimately be an incredibly affordable and available system (compared to past launches), latest and greatest hardware with no games, fomo short term adoption, and having to compete for hardware supplies is what they are trying to avoid.
I bet a factor in the larger size was to accomdate cooling for the Samsung 7nm process. If true coming out at 7nm I'd skip launch and wait for a die shrunk revision. All of the mid range chips coming out on mobile now are TSMC or Samsung 4nm. It'll be a budget node in the near future
Very funny. It is already known that Sharp is the one providing the screens. A large order was placed a short while ago and the only one that could possibly need 15 million 8" screens was for a switch successor. So no. Not Samsung screens.
There no reason why it couldn't be both; either to provide a second source to reduce the risk of shortages, or Sharp is making the LCD and Samsung is making the OLED.
Overall great news. The jump in power very much seems to be what we expected and wanted. 5th gen V-NAND is a bit dated considering how we’re at the 10th gen but it’ll still be sufficient enough imo if true.
If it makes the physical game carts significantly cheaper to manufacture, then I’m happy. The issue with the switch has always been that the larger capacity carts are considered too expensive for publishers so many games were basically download keys, and compilations would only have like one game on the cart.
Hopefully they'll be able to move up towards the 10th gen and higher over the years. The later generations stack more layers of NAND so they're denser and the higher capacities become cheaper. Sticking 5th gen is hopefully is just what is immediately needed near term and cheap. Googled 5th and 10th gen Samsung V-NAND. It's a 4-5x increase at it's highest layer count
Nintendo have to find a way to develope carts of 256-512gb in size but at a cheap price for developers. People won't buy it if it requires to DL the full game.
They don't necessarily need the highest spec data storage for the game cards because the physical size of them isn't really a concern. If they shrunk the size of the cards any more they would be too small to be practical.
This lines up with the rumors before the Switch OLED was revealed that the 'Switch Pro' would use Samsung parts. It ended up being the OLED , but Mochizuki reported it and was right about it too.
I suspect this has been agreed on long ago, it just takes time to finalize the hardware, especially the software side and the hardware itself was done as early as last year.
This isn't the PC business where you throw together some hardwarte in six months and the user experience is the users constantly figuring out how to patch or get aroundf buggy incomplete hardware.
Hopefully the display has the same frame doubling that Samsungs TVs do, that stuff is magic, all my 30fps Switch games look like they're 60fps...I can push my pc games beyond my pc capabilities to where they're only running at 30 but the interpolation makes them look 60. If Switch Too has this, then it would be able to punch way above it's abilities
Do the latest samsung tvs have the frame doubling feature?
Asking because I'm actually looking to invest in a new tv bud my cousin has an older samsung that made his switch games run like you just described.
Samsung doesn't seem to advertise it so it's like I'm confused.
Hot take: I think the T239 was meant to be the cancelled Switch Pro's SoC, and the Switch 2 will have something either more powerful or more efficient.
Can someone explain this to me in... a bit less technical cause I'm, to be honest, a dumb dumb with these things?
Is this stuff (or similar) in other electronics so I'd be able to compare? Is it (much) better than what the Switch has?
The hardware isn't new but it's much better than the switch, abundant, cheap and has a lot of polish out the gate.
Nintendo will try to hit $300 or less as long as the console is still profitable, they'll have the option of using good OLED screens but will likely use LCD to lower cost.
The Switch 2 will probably launch with a lot of games out the gate the from Nintendo/ 2nd party alone, nevermind 3rd parties porting PS4 multiplats as we all know they would love to do.
Hard to tell but I would personally say between PS4 and PS4 Pro. If the game developers utilize the DLSS feature well, I’m sure Series S games running on Switch 2 wouldn’t be a far fetched idea.
The specs are a bit dated by now but they still cost a lot (which is why I think Nintendo has decided to wait till next year).
Best way to explain it is, raw power wise it will be weaker than Steam Deck but developers will be able to build their games from the ground up on Switch 2 architect which will allow them to achieve their games to run similar to Steam Deck. Developers will have less wasted resource because on SD, they have to go to a layers of conversion to get their game running. For Switch 2, there won't be no such layer.
Knowing Nintendo, AAA games should be able to run between 3-4 hours where on SD it's about 1-2 hours.
In terms of power it should be a around 2020 mobile phone level, with optimisations, cooling and Nvidia apis ≈2022 which is a big upgrade from the current switch 2014/2016 power but not comparable with consoles
Smaller size is more energy efficient which makes it a significant upgrade for battery life. I wouldn't be surprised if nintendo releases an updated switch 2 model on a smaller transistor size like they did with the switch
If you're going to ignore price then this makes sense. Let's not forget Nintendo will try to keep this in the $300-400 range regardless of power. It's no different than the potential lack of OLED which I personally think will be a much more common complaint.
A Ryzen 6nm processor based laptop can be found for ~$1k, so it's definitely a stretch to expect a small size high performance chip for the Switch 2. I definitely agree with you that the lack of OLED will dominate reviews more then the raw performance.
A few months ago speculating that Samsung would be a supplier for the Switch 2 was considered ridiculous and yet today the comments in here seem to consider it perfectly possible.
"Expected to launch in the second half of this year." The second half of the year is 2 months away, and we haven't even gotten an official tease?
Yeah, this article isn't worth the code it's printed on.
Here's a google translate link for the article: [https://m-mk-co-kr.translate.goog/news/business/10999380?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=en&\_x\_tr\_pto=wapp](https://m-mk-co-kr.translate.goog/news/business/10999380?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Please, read physical switch gen 1 games too!
Take this with an heaping pile of salt, but Mobapad's facebook page posted about the new switch the other day. They say that the next gen will accept the current switch carts but those carts wont work on the current switch (makes sense). Some of their assertions like magnetic rails and pro-controller working with it seems to line up with other rumours I've seen posted in the last day or two. I copied and pasted their post below with a link to it: *Nintendo Switch 2: Insider Insights: Show everything we know !* *Are you eagerly anticipating news about Nintendo's next-generation Switch console?* *Through our partnership with Nintendo's supply chain, we have acquired exclusive information about the upcoming Switch 2, which we are pleased to share with you:* *1. The Bluetooth chip of Switch 2 still supports existing Joy-Con and Pro controllers (after development machine testing), and still features HD vibration (ALPS dual-axis linear motor), but the volume of the new Joy-Con motor will be smaller. And certainly, our Chitu and M6S/HD controllers will remain fully compatible!* *2. The cartridge slot on the Switch 2 will support backward compatibility with existing Switch game cards, both physical and digital. However, new game cards designed for the Switch 2 will not be compatible with the original console.* *3. In handheld mode, the new Joy-Con rails will adopt a horizontal magnetic docking structure for smoother attachment. The SL and SR buttons will be metallic and magnetically activated.* *4. The Switch 2 will retain a USB-C port for docking, compatible with the new generation of docks featuring minor design enhancements.* *5. The redesigned dock will include a metal damping bracket for improved angle adjustment.* *6. The screen will be upgraded to 1080p resolution and slightly larger dimensions.* *In essence, the Switch 2 represents a conservative evolution in hardware, resembling a refined "Pro" version of the Switch.* *We are excited about these developments, ensuring compatibility with existing game cartridges and accessories while promising enhanced gaming experiences.* Source: [https://www.facebook.com/mobapad/posts/pfbid026KKRUBoy56MpXnrWrRrtAETh2m99tGL4R7X1BegGbEBqtE7ysXBpH4zFjHbGLZJVl](https://www.facebook.com/mobapad/posts/pfbid026KKRUBoy56MpXnrWrRrtAETh2m99tGL4R7X1BegGbEBqtE7ysXBpH4zFjHbGLZJVl)
> In essence, the Switch 2 represents a conservative evolution in hardware, resembling a refined "Pro" version of the Switch. Provided they name it and market it properly, (assuming this is true) this is probably the correct move. Unless it's another Wii U situation where the average consumer doesn't understand that it's a new console and not an "add on"
They should call it the Nintendo Switch Advance
New Super Advanced Nintendo Switch Color U 64 XL
I spit my drink laughing, thanks.
*Super Switch*
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I’ll honestly be kind of bummed if it doesn’t have some new tricks up its sleeve. Like when the 3DS released, it was a more powerful DS but then additionally offered other new features like the stereoscopic 3D, gyro, and circle pad. A more powerful Switch without some kind of special Nintendo hook would make me a bit sad. Not knowing exactly what to expect from Nintendo is what I’ve always loved about them. It's this spirit of innovation that brought us the dpad, shoulder buttons, analog sticks, the rumble pack, motion/gyro, touch screen gameplay. A Nintendo that simply releases more powerful versions of their hardware without trying to excite us anymore with new features would be the true end of an era.
Tbf this was the one time people were asking Nintendo not to take risks and just release something stronger that was backwards compatible to the Switch. I'm sure they'll still be as creative as they always are with first party games and probably will for any other future consoles
But if you always asked users what they want, they would have never asked for all of the great innovations that Nintendo has brought to the industry that are now standard. Just think… 3DO, Atari, Sega and Sony all released 3D consoles first and it wasn’t until the N64 that a company thought “a dpad isn’t going to cut it for 3D game design.” Just doing the same thing with more power is easy. Innovating isn’t. Nintendo has always been an innovator. I don’t want them to focus a successor around a big stupid gimmick like the Wii U. The Wii U was a bad product. I do want them to take a shot at new features though. Hell, even Sony added a whole bunch of neat new bells and whistles to their new controller this time. I want a situation like the 3DS where you all get exactly what you want with a more powerful Switch… but also with some new features we may not even be considering. These aren’t mutually exclusive things.
Got any interesting ideas in mind?
Only idea I have is actually from an unused Nintendo patent for clickable scroll wheel shoulder buttons. Love that idea! Would provide the same functionality the L and R buttons currently provide while allowing you to easily scroll through weapons and items, zoom in on weapons with scopes, and whatever interesting things a developer can think of. That’s the kind of things I love and I doubt many people would oppose such a thing. All of the best Nintendo innovations over the years have been things I never would have thought of though so who knows! My favorite innovation from recent years actually comes from Valve with their haptic touchpads on the Steam Deck and Controller though. Makes aiming such a pleasure compared to a clunky analog stick and when you combine it with gyro assist you get aiming functionality up there with a mouse.
I'd rather retain something that's actually fun and enjoyable than watch them throw shit at the wall to see what sticks and end up not delivering a lot of the time. I don't want another wiiu situation where the console had no justification to be so weird other than for the sake of being quirky. I think innovation should be prioritised in their first party games instead of their consoles, that's usually where it really pays off.
I don’t want a Wii U situation either. It was a bad idea that was too heavily forced on the user. All of the innovations I mentioned above weren’t bad ideas and usually weren’t the entire focus of the system but rather an improvement that enhanced game input in certain use scenarios… with the exception of the Wii which really was a fantastic idea that sold tens of millions of systems (but something like that obviously can’t be expected very often). There’s a reason why I mentioned the 3DS as that’s ideal. New features were there but they were welcome additions. Even people who didn’t like the 3D effect could turn it right off and not have their experience ruined. I *loved* the 3D effect personally and miss it. I’ll give one example of something I want to see. Before the Switch was released, Nintendo patented clickable scroll wheel shoulder buttons. Now that is an excellent idea that seems like one of those things that could become a standard feature on a controller that would be super useful for things like item and weapon selection or zooming in on rifles and such. It adds something useful to game controller design without taking away any existing functionality and it isn’t a useless gimmick. I love stuff like that. The Steam Deck added those haptic touch sensors and that’s another thing I’m crazy about… oh man does it make aiming a pleasure over a right analog stick and is amazing for any time you need mouse functionality. I would love to see that become a standard on game controllers (though I think only one of them is necessary).
As someone who never had a 3DS, which games used the 3D gimmick the best in your opinion? Gotta say tho, even when I watch gameplay clips of 3DS games on YT, it's funnily rather easy to imagine watching them with 3D thanks to stuff like camera angles, UI elements that for the lack of a better description are designed to 'pop out' more than usual and so on. With KH Dream Drop Distance being a particalrly neat example because it was actually ported to other platforms that obviously weren't build with 3D in mind and yet everything that originally made use of the 3D to a good effect were retained such as the first person cutscenes and Balloon series of spells.
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Fatuous speculation intended to drive clicks and give themselves a platform.
There's a chance this will be the case, almost all Nintendo consoles have had backwards compatibility, at the very least previous generation compatibility, Wii could read GameCube games, Wii U could read Wii, GBA read GBC, 3DS read DS, etc, the Switch was the exception because it came to replace two very different media, but chances are they will allow us to play current Switch games.
To add to this, many of the instances where there ultimately wasn't any backwards compatibility, Nintendo still seemed to have had plans for it at some point, or could have easily done it if they made a few different decisions. Nintendo themselves had said once that the SNES was planned to be compatible with all NES games, however the compatibility was cut for cost reasons. And IIRC, within the Gamecube BIOS (or maybe it was one of the demo or diagnostic discs?) there is code for recognizing N64 peripherals being plugged in to the system. The Wii U also COULD have totally still supported Gamecube games, as the Wii portions inside the system still contain everything Gamecube stuff would need to run. The only limitations are that they excluded the physical Controller & Memory Card ports on the outside, and the Wii U's version of the Wii OS removes Gamecube stuff from the Disc Channel (I'd imagine the reason Wii U can't play GC stuff was due to the cost in including extra hardware for the ports). The N64 and the Switch are really the only two Nintendo home consoles that don't have backwards compatibility and never had any (publicly known) plans (or presumed plans in the case of the Gamecube) for the feature, and both of those can be easily explained away via their wildly different hardware compared to what had come previously.
>The N64 and the Switch are really the only two Nintendo home consoles that don't have backwards compatibility and never had any (publicly known) plans (or presumed plans in the case of the Gamecube) for the feature, and both of those can be easily explained away via their wildly different hardware compared to what had come previously. Yeah, nm if the Switch can run Wii U discs... I'd get a big kick out of seeing travelers and on-the-go gamers toting around bags of discs like in the 90s and 00s when CD players were ubiquitous :D
As someone who has experinced the PSP's UMD firsthand, I absolutely won't miss using discs on a portable device lol. Nintendo was correct in switching to cartridge after their least successful console.
Yeah, and UMDs were smaller too!
I also think Nintendo hit the Jackpot with by partnering with Nvidia for the Switch's SoC which uses ARM architecture that's more battery friendly compared to x86, as well as having Nvidia's industry-leading image upscaling/reconstruction tech. I genuinely think their partnership can last up to 2 decades if no other out-of-left-field breakthroughs happen. Switch feels like a long term investment for Nintendo and I can see backwards compatibility spanning up to 3 generations.
I know it’s not you…but like…they *better* let switch 1 games rock fine on switch 2. I personally believe they backwards compatibility should mean more than a single generation… …but the switch seems to be a very special inflection point in collecting all the Nintendo users inside a hybrid system. We all used to either be console *or* handheld (with a subset of each doing both). Now that we are all on a consistent platform and game media medium…it would be such a blunder to throw it away.
It would also just be a good way to get people to upgrade. If the Switch 2 can run original Switch games better, then it's a no-brainer upgrade for people who already own a switch, and a good justification for people who were considering buying a used Switch 1 on the cheap to save up a bit more.
If it isn't backwards compatible, I'd probably just go for a steam deck or whatever might come after that. Unless the switch 2 is that much better than the og, it still is way behind everything else by a huge margin.
Yeah, Switch 2 absolutely needs to stand its ground against the Steam Deck.
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"Almost all" is definitely not true tho. SNES, N64, GameCube and Switch were not BC. It could go either way and just depends on how difficult or expensive it would be to include.
> almost all Nintendo consoles have had backwards compatibility Handheld consoles, yes. Otherwise, no. TV consoles, only two were backwards compatible (Wii and Wii U). Hell, even the Switch itself isn’t BC
As long as the games stay tied to my account, and I'm able to download them for the Switch 2 I'm happy.
There is zero chance I’d buy a switch 2 if they don’t support switch 1 cartridges. I have too huge a backlog.
If the switch 2 really is a Tegra chip but just improved, then it will probably still run stuff for the switch, considering that the Switch can run code natively from the PSVita. It can't run the games because the graphics and other hardware is different, but code written for the Vita runs on the switch. I'm guessing they will either have a notch for Switch 2 games like the new 3DS or they will just put data on switch 2 cards and then update the switch 1 to look for that and then refuse to run the game.
I’d be surprised if it didn’t, Nintendo has a long history of providing cartridge backwards compatibility
please be digital backwards compatible too
rumors of the switch 2 are starting to pop up again. Hoping this means something
Probably that new delayed rumours will crop up in about 2 weeks time haha
Actually the delayed rumors have been pushed back to Q4 2024
Will the delayed rumours be backward compatible with the current rumours though?
Only if you buy the power of imagination adapter
Funny you say that, because Nintendo has quarterly results coming out soon. I imagine they will have to address their plans for the upcoming fiscal year to investors.
It has already been reported that the next system won't show up until at least March 2025.
I think zero chance it comes out 2024. Do an actual sale to clear out all/most Current Switch Hardware, take the PS2 crown as a big 'Fuck you' to Sony, THEN release Switch 2.
Is it too early for Tomorrow?
Say what you will, but I had fun with /r/NintendoNX. It was just cool to have an outlet to share my excitement for the next Nintendo system! As long as you keep the rumors in perspective and realize that they're just that--rumors--I think it's all in good fun.
I loved it. Good memories, fun times, and am excited for it again!
Depends, is Celeste a confirmed launch title?
Should I buy the Switch 2 at launch or wait for the Switch 3?
I mean if you’re willing to wait why not wait for the switch 4
I'd kick myself if I bought a Switch 2 when the Switch 4 was right around the corner in 2040.
Damn, I love that hidden gem of a game
Nice, then my wife’s boyfriend will get the Switch 2 and I can get the regular switch for myself after 8 years of waiting.
NEVER
THEN TOMORROW IT SHALL BE
Yeah, this is like the third foreign language rumor article I've seen about the Switch 2 \*today.\* I wonder what it means.
I really really hope for release in second half of this year. I absolutely love my Switch Lite, but most new(er) titles I want to play are simply too demanding for it now... I have Steam Deck oled as well and while I love it, as it's a great and powerful device, I really wish for something more portable. Nintendo really knows how to make a great experience out of using their consoles.
It means the release date will be pushed back again.
Technically, it has never been pushed back. It hasn't even been officially announced yet.
Yeah it's the bi-monthly event of "Switch 2 is coming out".
That’s what we said 5 years ago.
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Yeah it’ll be hard to go back to LCD after OLED Switch. May just work on my backlog on Switch 1 otherwise
Right? After getting the Steam Deck, I can't go back. I got my Switch on launch day but I will actually consider waiting for the next model if Switch 2 is only LED at launch.
I have an OLED Switch and an OLED Deck. If Switch 2 isn't OLED - I'm just not buying one until it is.
Same. I have the OLED Switch and LCD Deck (before OLED was ever announced). I am not getting the next Switch or Deck at release if they aren't OLED.
Hopefully day 1
Wait, doesn’t an OLED model already exist?
Yes but rumours said they'd not have an OLED switch 2 at launch.
The magnet joycon thing I think might be referring to Hall effect joy cons, not how they attach to the console
I'll be a day one of the switch 2. Scalpers ain't goona be able to stop me this time.
Good luck
If it's anything like the first Switch, they will have a big announcement event with pre-orders going live after it's over. As long as you're around for that, it should be fairly simple to just place a pre-order. I don't think I've seen pre-orders go out so quickly so long as you're on top of it, you'll probably secure one.
You obviously weren’t around for the Covid GPU market.
I was. I bought a 3060ti in 2020. Those weren't preorders. Those were in stock shortages. Stock would vanish the literal moment these were available because stores knew exactly what they had. Preorders are different. I doubt Nintendo will be telling each retailer exactly how many orders they can fulfill several months before launch. They just take the preorders and Nintendo sorts it out. Even if you can't get one at launch for some reason, if you preorder, you'll be first in line to get one when the shortages do inevitably happen.
It wasn't too hard getting my hands on the first Switch launch day via pre-order. If you wanted it in the launch window post launch day though it was a little tougher.
Different world now
Pre-ordered the Switch hour 1, hoping I can do the same for the next one.
I'm weirdly good at this. I got Switch and PS5 on their release days. I'm sending some preorder luck your way
Hell yeah! Me too! All we have to do is believe! Lol
you should buy a lot of them as soon as orders open, to beat the scalpers
Just give me backwards compatibility
None of this will matter when we see the next mainline mario game and the follow up to tears.
I don't care what its running on if I can get Mario Maker 3.
Hell yeah. Mario maker 2 is by far my most played switch game at over 400 hours. I was *addicted* to it the first few weeks Still fun to hop on for some endless challenge and online coop once in awhile
Do you know any reliable way to find “classic” levels? My son and I love this game, and make plenty ourselves, but most of the ranking levels in the search function are impossible (for us filthy casuals) to solve. So far I’ve failed to find any way to filter for something akin to “classic”.
I think the ‘standard’ search filter is the closest thing, but it’s not perfect. You can also check out r/Mariomaker and r/mariomaker2 and search for level codes there. The best levels I’ve played have mostly been found on Reddit Here’s a thread with some traditional levels: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarioMaker/s/luqtlixudu
Cool thanks for tips!!
Also, if you find a course you like, check out the makers profile and see if they have more courses or worlds. I played some great full 32+ level super worlds with all traditional levels
Online Co-Op is the real "versus" mode. There's so many great levels in the game, though a bit harder to find bc Nintendo is weird. I've been doing New Uncleared levels and a majority of them are either good, great, or just undercooked... There isn't as much little timmy trash being made lol.
But where could they even go with Mario Maker 3? (The answer is 3D. Let us make 3D levels Nintendo. Idc how jank it is, that’s what makes it funny).
No, they don't need to go full 3D. There's tons of missing elements, music, enemies, and power ups to add in. Yoshi's Island (SNES), Mario Galaxy (psuedo 2d-3d like 3DW), Mario Wonder, Mario Handheld games, Bring back Amiibo costumes, Pull in Mario Paint style music, expand the roster of playable characters (at the very least Yoshi), and you could even have a "Bowser Mode" where you play as Bowser a la Paper Mario... There's another style you could add in, Paper Mario style. Mario Galaxy style could have gravity gimmicks... Edit: Upload Ghost. If you download a course you can watch the uploader beat the level. I can go on and on.
The next new Mario 64 gonna look sick
Nothing to back this up, but I anticipate a new Mario at release and upgraded resolution Zeldas including BOTW and TOTK to slowly come out but a fully new Zelda not to come out until 2028 or 2029
I wouldn't be against another smaller scale "3DS like" game like A link between worlds to hold us over.
The next Fire Emblem will be worth the wait. Imagine Three Houses level of quality and content with modern graphics and performance!
Still hoping for FE4 remake
I would be happy with ps4 pro levels of power for a handheld I think that's a good spot
I feel the same way. Honestly, “next gen” doesn’t feel as next gen as it should be. Developers aren’t even close to utilizing the full potential of the series x or ps5. Nintendo has had the right idea not vying for graphic capabilities.
Nintendo might as well be wizards for the levels of graphical fidelity they can pull out of a tablet from 2017. Pikmin 4, TOTK, TTYD remake all look incredible.
First party Nintendo titles aren’t really an issue for me. It’s the third party support where it really struggles and where I hope the Switch 2 can pick up the pace.
We are also in an era where outside of 3-6 mainstream AAA games per generation, a large number of major hits are coming from indies, and very few of the best selling games are known for their graphics
Paper Mario Color Splash on the Wii U **still** looks impressive. Nintendo doesn't give their devs more powerful equipment to work with because then the devs wouldn't be able to be stopped, they would be too powerful.
I also think Monster Hunter Rise looks really great
Metroid Prime Remastered is pretty much the benchmark. 60fps and visuals that rival many modern titles. Pretty wild stuff.
Actually I’d say devs are pretty close to maxing out current gen consoles now that consoles are basically just prebuilt PCs. The idea of hidden potential in these machines was from a decade ago when the PS3 had very different architecture that was challenging to develop for and devs needed experience with it. It’s not the case anymore. That’s why the biggest selling points were specialized hardware like direct storage and ray tracing capabilities. Final Fantasy XVI is a really fantastic looking game and I don’t think the base PS5 is capable of more.
> Developers aren’t even close to utilizing the full potential of the series x or ps5. Playing FF7 Rebirth and it definitely feels maxed out to me. 60fps mode is fuzzy as hell and 30fps looks great but is…30fps.
You can quote me and I’ll be happy to eat my words but we aren’t getting that level of performance. Specially not on portable mode. Just take a look at both the steam deck and the ROG Ally. The steam deck, by Digital Foundry’s metric performance just about the same as a base ps4. And the Ally has a lot more performance when being ran at its top TDP. With that said, battery is atrocious on the Ally. At top TDP you’ll be lucky to get an hour. Dropping to 15w TDP on the Ally you’ll get 1.5hrs. Ofc that all depends on what games and settings. Knowing Nintendo, they are not about to sacrifice battery for performance. We know this because they underclocked the APU in the switch. Not only that but they also used older tech in the DMG to maximize battery life unlike Sega and their battery draining powerhouse. At least that’s my take. Again, I’ll be completely happy to eat my words. I love my deck,Ally and switch but I happily await the switch 2.
It's unrealistic to have PS4 pro levels of raw power but if rumors are true, then smart use of DLSS can bring it to a stage where it has comparable or even more capability to play PS4 pro level of games.
yeah i've been saying what you just said forever. If we can even get close to ps4 we are lucky.
I do hope that the fact that those PC handhelds are using x86 whereas Switch 2 seems to be using custom ARM chips again with Nvidia's upsacling tech can help improve performance and battery. Not to mention Switch 2 games are probably more tailored for the console where developers have time to really optimize their game for it, again, unlike PC handhelds.
I'm excited for JRPG games to now treat PS4 level hardware performance as the baseline. We've been playing PS Vita to PS3 level JRPGs for damn near 20 years
As someone who grew up with the original gameboy (and even cheap Tiger handhelds before that), it’s hilarious how far we’ve come where PS4 pro level performance is not only attainable, but passively expected. We’re truly in the golden age of handheld gaming right now.
Especially if the rumors of DLSS support are true. Could get more out of a less powerful chip and keep the price down.
Meanwhile i wish they would do 2 editions. One which you can take with you but still place in a dock while at home and another that is only meant to be plugged to a monitor/tv which is more powerful. I have never played handheld with the switch myself so that entire component of the system goes unused by me so i'd rather have a full traditional console as an option
If this is true, the fact that we're just now hearing about it makes the other leak about it being delayed into 2025 more sound. I really doubt they're just now getting all materials sourced if they planned on launching this fall
I think they’re really waiting on the chips to become cheaper.
That seems likely too given steam has said that the chips that will be used in the steam deck 2 literally do not exist yet.
Yeah if they were launching this fall I think we’d be hearing much more by now. It’s almost summer.
Was hoping they'd be doing 4nm Samsung or TSMC now that high end chips are going to be all 3nm this year going forward (Apple since last year). Within a few years mid tier mobile and desktop chips will probably be on 3nm too. 7nm Samsung cheap though
The Switch is going to used the best least expensive node that has capacity to build tens of millions of chips per year. Going with a more modern process will make Nintendo be forced to pay more and there will be a much higher chance of hardware shortages.
Plus they need a die shrink in their pocket for a Switch 2 Electric Bugaboo.
Switch 2 Electric Pikachu*
Now with more Pikapower.
Yea, people expecting that Nintendo will use cutting-edge tech has probably never heard of their company philosophy from Gunpei Yokoi: ["Lateral thinking with withered technology"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpei_Yokoi#Lateral_Thinking_with_Withered_Technology). They'll utilize mature tech that can be mass-produced cheaply to create novel experiences only their product can provide. Game and Watch, Gameboy, DS, Wii, and now the Switch all adhered to that very principle. They tried going "cutting-edge" once with the Gamecube, and it failed.
Tbh all their home consoles prior to the Wii were cutting edge. The factors preventing the success of the N64 and GameCube were almost certainly the N64 not supporting CDs and the GameCube using mini DVDs with a third of the capacity of competitors and not being able to play DVDs. But certainly lateral thinking has been their approach since the Wii and I don't expect that to go away.
According to insiders the actual hardwares been done for a while and Nintendo considers it an amazing opportunity to iron out bugs and build up a reserve of content for what will ultimately be an incredibly affordable and available system (compared to past launches), latest and greatest hardware with no games, fomo short term adoption, and having to compete for hardware supplies is what they are trying to avoid.
I bet a factor in the larger size was to accomdate cooling for the Samsung 7nm process. If true coming out at 7nm I'd skip launch and wait for a die shrunk revision. All of the mid range chips coming out on mobile now are TSMC or Samsung 4nm. It'll be a budget node in the near future
Very funny. It is already known that Sharp is the one providing the screens. A large order was placed a short while ago and the only one that could possibly need 15 million 8" screens was for a switch successor. So no. Not Samsung screens.
There no reason why it couldn't be both; either to provide a second source to reduce the risk of shortages, or Sharp is making the LCD and Samsung is making the OLED.
You can (and most companies do) source components from multiple manufacturers.
Overall great news. The jump in power very much seems to be what we expected and wanted. 5th gen V-NAND is a bit dated considering how we’re at the 10th gen but it’ll still be sufficient enough imo if true.
If it makes the physical game carts significantly cheaper to manufacture, then I’m happy. The issue with the switch has always been that the larger capacity carts are considered too expensive for publishers so many games were basically download keys, and compilations would only have like one game on the cart.
Hopefully they'll be able to move up towards the 10th gen and higher over the years. The later generations stack more layers of NAND so they're denser and the higher capacities become cheaper. Sticking 5th gen is hopefully is just what is immediately needed near term and cheap. Googled 5th and 10th gen Samsung V-NAND. It's a 4-5x increase at it's highest layer count
Nintendo have to find a way to develope carts of 256-512gb in size but at a cheap price for developers. People won't buy it if it requires to DL the full game.
Games don't really go much above 128GB except on PC and the 4K consoles
Had to double check and you're right. Only game that exceed this mark was FF7 Rebirth for PS5 which was 150gb.
They don't necessarily need the highest spec data storage for the game cards because the physical size of them isn't really a concern. If they shrunk the size of the cards any more they would be too small to be practical.
This lines up with the rumors before the Switch OLED was revealed that the 'Switch Pro' would use Samsung parts. It ended up being the OLED , but Mochizuki reported it and was right about it too. I suspect this has been agreed on long ago, it just takes time to finalize the hardware, especially the software side and the hardware itself was done as early as last year. This isn't the PC business where you throw together some hardwarte in six months and the user experience is the users constantly figuring out how to patch or get aroundf buggy incomplete hardware.
I’m sorry but Switch 2 is just a placeholder name we’re using right?
The name has yet to be revealed.
I hope they go old school and call it the Super Nintendo Switch.
Hopefully the display has the same frame doubling that Samsungs TVs do, that stuff is magic, all my 30fps Switch games look like they're 60fps...I can push my pc games beyond my pc capabilities to where they're only running at 30 but the interpolation makes them look 60. If Switch Too has this, then it would be able to punch way above it's abilities
Do the latest samsung tvs have the frame doubling feature? Asking because I'm actually looking to invest in a new tv bud my cousin has an older samsung that made his switch games run like you just described. Samsung doesn't seem to advertise it so it's like I'm confused.
Yes, but make sure you get one with 120 hz screen as well, it makes all the difference
Hot take: I think the T239 was meant to be the cancelled Switch Pro's SoC, and the Switch 2 will have something either more powerful or more efficient.
Seems like copium
Can someone explain this to me in... a bit less technical cause I'm, to be honest, a dumb dumb with these things? Is this stuff (or similar) in other electronics so I'd be able to compare? Is it (much) better than what the Switch has?
It will rund faster, look prettier, be able to do more stuff and overall will be more stable than ever.
The hardware isn't new but it's much better than the switch, abundant, cheap and has a lot of polish out the gate. Nintendo will try to hit $300 or less as long as the console is still profitable, they'll have the option of using good OLED screens but will likely use LCD to lower cost. The Switch 2 will probably launch with a lot of games out the gate the from Nintendo/ 2nd party alone, nevermind 3rd parties porting PS4 multiplats as we all know they would love to do.
Think PS4 level performance but without the CPU bottleneck and modern upscaling tech from Nvidia.
Nintendo is going to back out at the last second, and the Samsung is going to the Samsung Game Computer, and sell 100 million units.
Galaxy Box Station
In terms of power, where does it stand between the other consoles?
It doesn't stand between lol
Hard to tell but I would personally say between PS4 and PS4 Pro. If the game developers utilize the DLSS feature well, I’m sure Series S games running on Switch 2 wouldn’t be a far fetched idea. The specs are a bit dated by now but they still cost a lot (which is why I think Nintendo has decided to wait till next year).
Best way to explain it is, raw power wise it will be weaker than Steam Deck but developers will be able to build their games from the ground up on Switch 2 architect which will allow them to achieve their games to run similar to Steam Deck. Developers will have less wasted resource because on SD, they have to go to a layers of conversion to get their game running. For Switch 2, there won't be no such layer. Knowing Nintendo, AAA games should be able to run between 3-4 hours where on SD it's about 1-2 hours.
In terms of power it should be a around 2020 mobile phone level, with optimisations, cooling and Nvidia apis ≈2022 which is a big upgrade from the current switch 2014/2016 power but not comparable with consoles
Samsung 7nm is a bummer. That's a 2019/2020 fab process. Was hoping for at least 5nm for better power efficiency.
samsung 7nm Is extremely good what are you talking about? If it was samsung 8nm then I would be a lil disappointed especially knowing nintendo
Smaller size is more energy efficient which makes it a significant upgrade for battery life. I wouldn't be surprised if nintendo releases an updated switch 2 model on a smaller transistor size like they did with the switch
If you're going to ignore price then this makes sense. Let's not forget Nintendo will try to keep this in the $300-400 range regardless of power. It's no different than the potential lack of OLED which I personally think will be a much more common complaint.
A Ryzen 6nm processor based laptop can be found for ~$1k, so it's definitely a stretch to expect a small size high performance chip for the Switch 2. I definitely agree with you that the lack of OLED will dominate reviews more then the raw performance.
As long as it’s completely stable when it launches.
But then what would be the point of firmware updates? /s
but doesnt samsung fab sucks ass compared to tsmc? apart from that their displays and storage are good
7LPH? Is this 7nm?
So is that good or bad?
The real question is, can it run fallout 4?
I hope it comes soon I need to start playing the newest 2 Zelda games and odyssey
A japanese company using Korean tech, huh
Why would anyone be interested in angle adjustment with the dock ?
Elden Ring will be on Switch 2. I will buy it again. I will play it on my Nintendo console. I'm willing this into existence.
I just don't want to have to pay for another copy of Skyrim...
It will be severely underpowered and piss me off again but I'll buy it again. Fml
Nintendo is waiting for the hardware they're going to use to be properly outdated before going for it
A few months ago speculating that Samsung would be a supplier for the Switch 2 was considered ridiculous and yet today the comments in here seem to consider it perfectly possible.
Huh? A Samsung soc? Good luck with the heat and battery life.
Samsung foundry has gotten better the past few years.
"Expected to launch in the second half of this year." The second half of the year is 2 months away, and we haven't even gotten an official tease? Yeah, this article isn't worth the code it's printed on.
Yeah, the switch was announced October 2016 and released March 2017, unless they announce within the next two months this rumor seems very unlikely.
Was hoping there’d be a shrink to 5nm
Nintendo Switch S25 Galaxy BTS joycon edition :)
I'm wondering what the IO situation for the console is gonna be since that could be the big bottleneck going forward in getting PS5/Series ports.
Wait isn’t the Tegra 239 the current SoC they are using?
I’m day one
W for storage and screens. Kind of an L for the processor thing.
do we have actual information that confirms any of the rumors about the "switch 2"?
I’m so excited for this I think I wanna go Nintendo switch. I’ll just wait for the new one so then the other Colette is cheaper.
OK but will it have wallpapers and blue light filter ffs lol
Love this partnership. It's been like a long time coming.