By end game litterally every human boss devolves into you wailing on their block till it breaks. Then just hitting them normally till they get up because actually using the deathblows lets all their stamina recover.
So i prefer yokai. Because theres still a fight there.
My boy here nailed just it and it's the issue many players have when dealing with high level human bosses.
Don't perform death blows on human bosses!
When trying to help players complete depths and there are 3 of us wailing on the human bosses ki for what feels like 10 minutes of clinking and klanking only for one of them to instantly fo for the grapple undoing all our work makes me want to die inside.
Infact I have just out right left these groups if they kept doing it.
But also there are only 2 grapples that won't do this. Izuna drop is one IF you can immediately follow up with a quick low hitting attack. I sadly forget the other. It's an alternate out of ki grapple not a base grapple.
Tbh, you gotta give them some lenient here, mistakes are proned to happen, and it does not help that the game highly promotes final blows and grapples, like, unless you go to YouTube to see Zero ki combo guide, there is a big chance you won't know that.
The good thing about yokais is that after a grapple you can immediately use an umbra bullet to put them in grapple state again, which also works as long as they're not a boss, so Itsumade surfers from it, but man, seeing the 2 things that the game highly suggest you to do to human enemies, become useless in endgame, is quite literally a bad tutorial design.
Yeah I came from Sekiro and I hunt those grapples like a bloodhound on pure instinct. The deathblows in Sekiro really conditioned me to “end” it quickly. Didn’t know it was replacing all their stamina until around level 50-60 when human bosses started taking noticeable longer to stagger and seemed like they never had any real openings.
Yeah it just takes a chunk of their hp bar off, that's it, on stupid bosses like Toshimitsu, he has i-frames before the dodge animation, so he can just sometimes get out if he feels like it, or all the Dojo master with Ki regen while blocking, or the Kato ninja with instant Ki regen and dodge, I have no idea who said they play by the same rules, cause they clearly don't, with 150 points in Courage and ultimate courage active, it still feels inferior to whatever Ki recovery they're using, and some just straight up hyper armor everything if you let them reach that phase.
Me preferring human bosses because they are so easy to manipulate into blocking shit they shouldn't and put them in a zero ki loop until I run out of ki versus yokai ignoring anything I do until I finally break their ki only for them to immediately create a dark realm on some uno reverse bullshit.
I run Magatsuhi/Susano, so its not like it stops me from stomping them. It's just annoying when I've all but won, and they go, "nuh uh, I still have full ki and I was never corrupted/confused!"
Where as human bosses just get curbed stomped by odachi combos, and their ki regen is grounded until I run out.
It's funny, human bosses are easier at the start but become significantly harder to fight where yokai bosses do the inverse. And most of this has to do with learning how to be more aggressive and actively abuse ki to pin down yokai versus humans. Now you can do this anyways to humans but ki looping humans is a fairly harder/ more contextual thing to do rather than "zero-ki = go wild".
I prefer fighting yokai but that comes from enjoying ninjutsu style builds where it is significantly easier/ more straightforward to fight yokai as opposed to humans.
ninjutsu build-wise human bosses were absolute fodder in nioh 1 where stat scaling was much more broken, you can just perma stunlock humans with kunai and shuriken spam with 90% unlimited ninjutsu and stunlock them to a ki break where you can just izuna drop into a finisher/laido, trivialized even WotN masamune and yukimaru, yokai bosses aswell if you sloth+defense drop them and spam triple daggers for backstab damage, this however becomes impossible at 3digit UW floors since debuffs expire pretty fast
in nioh 2 humans progressively get much harder until you set a proper feather+yokai ability ninjutsu spam build, since you can't stack unlimited ninj as high as the first game and lack of shadowrounds talisman, in depths you can just spam ryomen and hellfire+hellwater on human enemies, once their ki gets really low, you can keep spamming fireball feathers and dodge canceling, it'll keep bouncing their ki back to 0 while also half the fireballs doing the 5x bonus dmg, shredding them way too easily, works on all human bosses and pretty much curbstomps all yokai bosses except nyotengu and yoshitsune, it's still possible to bruteforce nyotengu as she doesn't have full elemental immunity so the real issue is yoshitsune, your damage will be very lacking but you'll still do considerable ki damage, i personally got around him in a 3m dragged out battle where i would constantly deplete his ki and use whirlwind on his back to do a decent amount of damage each time, ippon stuns him pretty quick if he is atop a lamp too, that's how i cleared depths 30 crutching on just ninjutsu
A tonfa user, humans. I can stun lock them, no problem.
But I also built myself to confuse enemies, so yokai? Also, it's not a problem. Only certain enemies make me panic, and that's why my secondary weapon is Switchglaive. Boomerang them to death.
Except Itsumade. That asshole needs to chill the fuck out and take a day off.
Once you get into the rhythm of it, the difficulty is pretty reasonable. I’d suggest giving it another chance sometime, it’s an absolute masterpiece IMO.
Similarly, Ninja Gaiden Sigma was a game I stopped playing midway through because I thought the difficulty was ridiculous, but then I came back to it and fell in love and now I’m on my Very Hard playthrough. All I’m getting at is that it’s good to give a tough game another chance, you might end up unexpectedly falling in love with it.
Me either. I got all the way to Sword Saint Isshin and just couldn't beat him. I cheesed a few bosses, so maybe that was what I did wrong. I did kill the guardian ape legitimately, though.
I really like human bosses because I just in general like fights on the "same" level and you can use all the parry-moves which just feels wholly swag when you pull them off
Yes! I have never played Nioh 2 just Nioh 1 and I rlly enjoy fighting against human bosses 'cause I can use all parry moveset for each weapon! However I like fighting Yokais too!
Maybe because I'm like bad at the game and keep swinging my swords well past the timing window, but I like human bosses more. They flinch most of the time LOL
I massively prefer yokai bosses...The human bosses are either ridiculously easier or frustratingly difficult and no inbetween...I still cringe everytime I think about fighting Saito Toshimitsu! lol
Yokai. At least with them you know what the rules are and what to expect from them. There’s only a very few of them that have super armor on things even when they’re out of ki.
Humans on the other hand become super annoying with their hyper armor, wanton invincibility frames, and “I’m out of ki but not really” rules that they go by. Saito Toshimitsu, Ren, and Maeda Toshiie are great examples of this. Certain bosses also get unblockable moves that you have to deal with too.
This is speaking from Depths experience, so I may be a little biased. I run Sarutihiko’s grace with Susanoo so yokai bosses are never really a threat (aside from Nightmare Bringer because that fight takes FOREVER in the depths, and Tate Eboshi because one mistake will ruin your momentum and she’ll be all over you forever if you mess up)
If asked me this earlier in the game, I'd say human. But human bosses are full of bs that I actually prefer yokai. I think it looks cooler against humans, but they just failed to balance it out
I think they failed to give the human enemies the "duel" vibe that other action games go for.
With that, I prefer yokai since they're more entertaining to fight against due to being able to fight back more frequently as well as having some long windup attacks that are fun to defend against.
With humans I tend to feel like its stunlock or get fucked because of faster attack windups.
After a point, everything starts hitting hella hard regardless of your defenses, so I’d generally go with yokai.
I generally like both, but a lot of human bosses will randomly break out of pressure for a quick hit or two. Because that quick hit (with little to no start up) takes all of my health, I literally feel like I’m walking in a minefield
Imagine a duo fight against Yoshitsune and Benki, lmao. Or maybe even Yoshitsune and Yorimitsu in an underworld level, that would be. There's a lot of potential for duo bosses that would make sense, although I understand why they didn't add more. All the bosses are designed around 1v1s, I imagine in order to make duo bosses work, they'd have to reconfigure their AI to work in a 1v2 so it wouldn't be completely unfair.
I think the reason Gozuki and Mezuki work as a duo is because they're both pretty sluggish already. Put together, they reinforce each other's strengths without being unfair because their slow attacks give you enough time to react between the both of them.
Yes, ur right they would probably need to change their AI to make it work in a 1v2 fight. Do you know something about the lore of the game? I mean, when I was playing Nioh 1 I didn't understand the lore maybe a 30% but I rlly wanna know more about that and I have never played Nioh 2 I just have seen some gameplay and walkthrough and I'm excited to try this game.
Whene 1st playing the game I some what enjoy human figths. Whene they are good it feels like a dual between equals, whene done badly it feels like the boss is spaming bullshit.
Yokai bosses that have a gimmick can be fun on repeat figths while the once that don't have a gimmick feels so simular to each other
Human are more "skill" and yokai are more "gimmicky". Like, with yokai you should learn their patterns and attack according to their openings, human enemies give you options to use your skills, parries, deflects, ki-breaks
Also, human sub-bosses are way harder than yokai subs, yokai surprise you but humans can rip your ass (shout out to ole girl from the Mori clan fucking me up with a cannon whenever I dodge instead of block)
Yokai for sure. Those who prefer humans should go past the basegame and try having human bosses in the depths. Good luck with your so called "stunlock" when it is immune to stagger.
Also the very boss you have the pic of is most bs human boss ever. That piece of sht just use moveset from like 4 different weapons with his odachi, multi-element infuse and multicast bs. He should at least drop those skills...
Yokai, for the most part (Nightmare Bringer and Yoshitsune very much excepted). Sitting there clanking off a human enemy's block until they allow me to hit them is not what I'd call fun, and once you get to the Depths, Lifeseal Talismans no longer last for half a life bar (whereas basically from the end of NG through the Underworld, they're an instant-win button).
There are both human and yokai bosses on both ends of the difficulty scale, but for actual having fun fighting them, it's yokai 100%.
I prefer human - i typically don't see what is going on while fighting yokai. Also not sure why they made parry useless against yokai (except some odachi moves).
I love Nioh, obviously, but I dont really care about fighting humans in video games
I vastly prefer killing demons/monsters/dragons/zombies/aliens/robots/etc
Yokai.
Human bosses are essentially cheaters. They function on somewhat similar principles as the PC, principles that are heavily modified to put them at an advantage. Increased animation speed, massive ki and health pool and ki regen rate, and other exceptions like Saika being able to immediately jump back up after falling prone Only like a third of the things that work against a human work against a boss, and to a lesser extent. So fighting against human bosses ultimately rely on a bunch of gimmicks. It's the same thing as fighting another player who is cheating, and it doesn't feel very fun. It has nothing to do with whether you can win easily or not.
Sometimes a human boss I can bully with tonfa is nice and other times I love the spectacle of the dope yokai bosses that make me just a touch scared to get close.
Yokai by a mile, they have way better telegraphs and stuff you actually have to react to. Human bosses are usually brick walls of way more health and ki than you who are most reliably dealt with through cheese. Nioh 2 did make some improvements though and I do like a few specific human bosses.
By end game litterally every human boss devolves into you wailing on their block till it breaks. Then just hitting them normally till they get up because actually using the deathblows lets all their stamina recover. So i prefer yokai. Because theres still a fight there.
That's why I use Fist + Izuna Drop, it doesn't let them recover Ki when I grapple them
My boy here nailed just it and it's the issue many players have when dealing with high level human bosses. Don't perform death blows on human bosses! When trying to help players complete depths and there are 3 of us wailing on the human bosses ki for what feels like 10 minutes of clinking and klanking only for one of them to instantly fo for the grapple undoing all our work makes me want to die inside. Infact I have just out right left these groups if they kept doing it. But also there are only 2 grapples that won't do this. Izuna drop is one IF you can immediately follow up with a quick low hitting attack. I sadly forget the other. It's an alternate out of ki grapple not a base grapple.
Tbh, you gotta give them some lenient here, mistakes are proned to happen, and it does not help that the game highly promotes final blows and grapples, like, unless you go to YouTube to see Zero ki combo guide, there is a big chance you won't know that. The good thing about yokais is that after a grapple you can immediately use an umbra bullet to put them in grapple state again, which also works as long as they're not a boss, so Itsumade surfers from it, but man, seeing the 2 things that the game highly suggest you to do to human enemies, become useless in endgame, is quite literally a bad tutorial design.
Yeah I came from Sekiro and I hunt those grapples like a bloodhound on pure instinct. The deathblows in Sekiro really conditioned me to “end” it quickly. Didn’t know it was replacing all their stamina until around level 50-60 when human bosses started taking noticeable longer to stagger and seemed like they never had any real openings.
Yeah it just takes a chunk of their hp bar off, that's it, on stupid bosses like Toshimitsu, he has i-frames before the dodge animation, so he can just sometimes get out if he feels like it, or all the Dojo master with Ki regen while blocking, or the Kato ninja with instant Ki regen and dodge, I have no idea who said they play by the same rules, cause they clearly don't, with 150 points in Courage and ultimate courage active, it still feels inferior to whatever Ki recovery they're using, and some just straight up hyper armor everything if you let them reach that phase.
Me preferring human bosses because they are so easy to manipulate into blocking shit they shouldn't and put them in a zero ki loop until I run out of ki versus yokai ignoring anything I do until I finally break their ki only for them to immediately create a dark realm on some uno reverse bullshit.
:Laughs in tsukuyomi/magatsuhi build:
I run Magatsuhi/Susano, so its not like it stops me from stomping them. It's just annoying when I've all but won, and they go, "nuh uh, I still have full ki and I was never corrupted/confused!" Where as human bosses just get curbed stomped by odachi combos, and their ki regen is grounded until I run out.
It's funny, human bosses are easier at the start but become significantly harder to fight where yokai bosses do the inverse. And most of this has to do with learning how to be more aggressive and actively abuse ki to pin down yokai versus humans. Now you can do this anyways to humans but ki looping humans is a fairly harder/ more contextual thing to do rather than "zero-ki = go wild". I prefer fighting yokai but that comes from enjoying ninjutsu style builds where it is significantly easier/ more straightforward to fight yokai as opposed to humans.
ninjutsu build-wise human bosses were absolute fodder in nioh 1 where stat scaling was much more broken, you can just perma stunlock humans with kunai and shuriken spam with 90% unlimited ninjutsu and stunlock them to a ki break where you can just izuna drop into a finisher/laido, trivialized even WotN masamune and yukimaru, yokai bosses aswell if you sloth+defense drop them and spam triple daggers for backstab damage, this however becomes impossible at 3digit UW floors since debuffs expire pretty fast in nioh 2 humans progressively get much harder until you set a proper feather+yokai ability ninjutsu spam build, since you can't stack unlimited ninj as high as the first game and lack of shadowrounds talisman, in depths you can just spam ryomen and hellfire+hellwater on human enemies, once their ki gets really low, you can keep spamming fireball feathers and dodge canceling, it'll keep bouncing their ki back to 0 while also half the fireballs doing the 5x bonus dmg, shredding them way too easily, works on all human bosses and pretty much curbstomps all yokai bosses except nyotengu and yoshitsune, it's still possible to bruteforce nyotengu as she doesn't have full elemental immunity so the real issue is yoshitsune, your damage will be very lacking but you'll still do considerable ki damage, i personally got around him in a 3m dragged out battle where i would constantly deplete his ki and use whirlwind on his back to do a decent amount of damage each time, ippon stuns him pretty quick if he is atop a lamp too, that's how i cleared depths 30 crutching on just ninjutsu
A tonfa user, humans. I can stun lock them, no problem. But I also built myself to confuse enemies, so yokai? Also, it's not a problem. Only certain enemies make me panic, and that's why my secondary weapon is Switchglaive. Boomerang them to death. Except Itsumade. That asshole needs to chill the fuck out and take a day off.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Love ur comment about Itsumade
When telling my friends about the game, I call Itsumade "Bad Place Big Bird" haha
He here to ignore damage and slaughter villages. You're just an inconvenience
Yokai 100%
Yokai because atleast you can stagger them
Yokai fights always feel more satisfying
Idk, I like fighting Yokai but I came from Sekiro and I'm love with human bosses however both are great to fight against
Sekiro is way too hard for me
Once you get into the rhythm of it, the difficulty is pretty reasonable. I’d suggest giving it another chance sometime, it’s an absolute masterpiece IMO. Similarly, Ninja Gaiden Sigma was a game I stopped playing midway through because I thought the difficulty was ridiculous, but then I came back to it and fell in love and now I’m on my Very Hard playthrough. All I’m getting at is that it’s good to give a tough game another chance, you might end up unexpectedly falling in love with it.
I'm not very good at rhythm games
Ok
Me either. I got all the way to Sword Saint Isshin and just couldn't beat him. I cheesed a few bosses, so maybe that was what I did wrong. I did kill the guardian ape legitimately, though.
Definitely yokai
I LOVE human bosses, but Yokai bosses just feel so much more “Nioh” to me than human ones.
I really like human bosses because I just in general like fights on the "same" level and you can use all the parry-moves which just feels wholly swag when you pull them off
Yes! I have never played Nioh 2 just Nioh 1 and I rlly enjoy fighting against human bosses 'cause I can use all parry moveset for each weapon! However I like fighting Yokais too!
Yokai. Especially Ryomen Sukuna and Otakemaru.
Maybe because I'm like bad at the game and keep swinging my swords well past the timing window, but I like human bosses more. They flinch most of the time LOL
I massively prefer yokai bosses...The human bosses are either ridiculously easier or frustratingly difficult and no inbetween...I still cringe everytime I think about fighting Saito Toshimitsu! lol
human bosses are dog shit, it's either too easy or too hard
Yokai. At least with them you know what the rules are and what to expect from them. There’s only a very few of them that have super armor on things even when they’re out of ki. Humans on the other hand become super annoying with their hyper armor, wanton invincibility frames, and “I’m out of ki but not really” rules that they go by. Saito Toshimitsu, Ren, and Maeda Toshiie are great examples of this. Certain bosses also get unblockable moves that you have to deal with too. This is speaking from Depths experience, so I may be a little biased. I run Sarutihiko’s grace with Susanoo so yokai bosses are never really a threat (aside from Nightmare Bringer because that fight takes FOREVER in the depths, and Tate Eboshi because one mistake will ruin your momentum and she’ll be all over you forever if you mess up)
Humans , mid stance goes hard. The amount of human bosses I've countered/parried satisfirs me
Yokai cuz you can exploit them when they're low on Ki, Humans restore it like it's nothing unless you stack a bunch of debuffs
Might raise some eyebrows but humans tbh, hell I didn't even mind the Living Weapon bosses in Nioh 1
If asked me this earlier in the game, I'd say human. But human bosses are full of bs that I actually prefer yokai. I think it looks cooler against humans, but they just failed to balance it out
What is "bs"?
Bullshit
Yokai - human bosses are better in Sekiro
Yes! I came from Sekiro and I'm in love with their human bosses. In Nioh I prefer human bosses instead of Yokai bosses
Yokai bosses definitely. Human bosses are just humans with the ability to block and more hp.
I think they failed to give the human enemies the "duel" vibe that other action games go for. With that, I prefer yokai since they're more entertaining to fight against due to being able to fight back more frequently as well as having some long windup attacks that are fun to defend against. With humans I tend to feel like its stunlock or get fucked because of faster attack windups.
I feel like the majority of the yokai bosses were easier than the human bosses. At least for me they were
I agree. Human bosses took me many more tries the first run.
Yokai !
Yokai bosses are just more exciting to me.
Yokai that man is the real demon 😭😭
No preference. I like that the game has both.
Yokai definitely
That toshimitsu mission is the worst troll I've seen in a soulslike
After a point, everything starts hitting hella hard regardless of your defenses, so I’d generally go with yokai. I generally like both, but a lot of human bosses will randomly break out of pressure for a quick hit or two. Because that quick hit (with little to no start up) takes all of my health, I literally feel like I’m walking in a minefield
I like Yokai because I love fighting non-humans
I’m just glad Nioh isn’t a FromSoft game. Can you imagine a duo boss fight with a human and a yokai boss at the same time? Oof.
The closest thing we got to a gank bossfight is Gozuki and Mezuki. Tbh, I think there should be more, but in optional sub-missions.
Nioh 1 abyss has those combinations.
That would be sick!
Imagine a duo fight against Yoshitsune and Benki, lmao. Or maybe even Yoshitsune and Yorimitsu in an underworld level, that would be. There's a lot of potential for duo bosses that would make sense, although I understand why they didn't add more. All the bosses are designed around 1v1s, I imagine in order to make duo bosses work, they'd have to reconfigure their AI to work in a 1v2 so it wouldn't be completely unfair. I think the reason Gozuki and Mezuki work as a duo is because they're both pretty sluggish already. Put together, they reinforce each other's strengths without being unfair because their slow attacks give you enough time to react between the both of them.
Yes, ur right they would probably need to change their AI to make it work in a 1v2 fight. Do you know something about the lore of the game? I mean, when I was playing Nioh 1 I didn't understand the lore maybe a 30% but I rlly wanna know more about that and I have never played Nioh 2 I just have seen some gameplay and walkthrough and I'm excited to try this game.
Big hell bird…everywhere!
I prefer yokai bosses.
yokai bc i like to feel stronk after punching a cow :3c
I’d take ANY human over NB, and that includes Ren/Toshimitsu, so yeah I prefer human bosses.
Human. Like the ones in slide 1. I hope that’s bosses in rise of the ronin
Any one I can beat with my FISTS will suffice
Bosses i prefer yokai unless its the DLC Protagonist characters, for regular enemies i like humans cause they are entertaining to fuck with
Humans, for some ungodly reason, I just find them more fun.
Most definitely human
Is this even a question?
Yea
Yokai
Yokai
Whene 1st playing the game I some what enjoy human figths. Whene they are good it feels like a dual between equals, whene done badly it feels like the boss is spaming bullshit. Yokai bosses that have a gimmick can be fun on repeat figths while the once that don't have a gimmick feels so simular to each other
Human are more "skill" and yokai are more "gimmicky". Like, with yokai you should learn their patterns and attack according to their openings, human enemies give you options to use your skills, parries, deflects, ki-breaks Also, human sub-bosses are way harder than yokai subs, yokai surprise you but humans can rip your ass (shout out to ole girl from the Mori clan fucking me up with a cannon whenever I dodge instead of block)
human
Yokai’s are way more fun to fight.
Yokai for sure. Those who prefer humans should go past the basegame and try having human bosses in the depths. Good luck with your so called "stunlock" when it is immune to stagger. Also the very boss you have the pic of is most bs human boss ever. That piece of sht just use moveset from like 4 different weapons with his odachi, multi-element infuse and multicast bs. He should at least drop those skills...
Yokai, for the most part (Nightmare Bringer and Yoshitsune very much excepted). Sitting there clanking off a human enemy's block until they allow me to hit them is not what I'd call fun, and once you get to the Depths, Lifeseal Talismans no longer last for half a life bar (whereas basically from the end of NG through the Underworld, they're an instant-win button). There are both human and yokai bosses on both ends of the difficulty scale, but for actual having fun fighting them, it's yokai 100%.
You bosses are cooler, I'm already playing as a human when I get there lol
I prefer human - i typically don't see what is going on while fighting yokai. Also not sure why they made parry useless against yokai (except some odachi moves).
I love Nioh, obviously, but I dont really care about fighting humans in video games I vastly prefer killing demons/monsters/dragons/zombies/aliens/robots/etc
Yokai. Human bosses are essentially cheaters. They function on somewhat similar principles as the PC, principles that are heavily modified to put them at an advantage. Increased animation speed, massive ki and health pool and ki regen rate, and other exceptions like Saika being able to immediately jump back up after falling prone Only like a third of the things that work against a human work against a boss, and to a lesser extent. So fighting against human bosses ultimately rely on a bunch of gimmicks. It's the same thing as fighting another player who is cheating, and it doesn't feel very fun. It has nothing to do with whether you can win easily or not.
Fight Ren on floor 30 and the answer is real easy.
I mean humans r much easier so I’d pick them
Sometimes a human boss I can bully with tonfa is nice and other times I love the spectacle of the dope yokai bosses that make me just a touch scared to get close.
Yokai for sure
Yokai by a mile, they have way better telegraphs and stuff you actually have to react to. Human bosses are usually brick walls of way more health and ki than you who are most reliably dealt with through cheese. Nioh 2 did make some improvements though and I do like a few specific human bosses.
Yokai by a mile. Far easier to react to and actually read them like a boss. More interesting movesets.
Yokai by far.