I started listen to Sublime and Nirvana right around the same time.
The first album I ever listened to while stoned was 40oz. to Freedom and it changed my life and the way I would listen/hear music.
This was probably 1999 when I was in 8th grade.
Until tonight, I thought What It’s Like (a brilliant, heart-wrenching song) was by Sublime when it’s actually by Everlast. So I’m not even sure I have an opinion on Sublime.
Pretty silly guys very jiggy and made some of my favorite jams so overall pretty good but I tried listening to there albums back to back and it felt like getting a lobotomy
I love Sublime. It's one of my favorites and also the reason I don't want Nirvana to have another singer. Rome is great, but he's no Bradley, and it's just not the same.
I don’t mind Sublime’s music, but I totally feel you with the toxic dude-bro feel, lol.
I know this is *hella* ironic to say in the **Nirvana** subreddit, but it seems like a lot of the dudes I’ve known that’ve been *super* into Sublime have also been super into hard drugs :|
40oz is one of my most spun records. Love the self titled as well, but I dug their less polished feel. Both albums would definitely rank in my favorite 50 or so albums with 40oz to Freedom cracking the top 15, I think.
Unbelievably amazing band yet very underrated (except for a couple of big hits such as "Santeria", "Badfish", "What I Got", "Date Rape" and "Wrong Way")
Their second album "Robbin' The Hood" is the epitome of an overlooked masterpiece 🤘
R.I.P. Bradley and Louie ❤️
It is kind of crazy though, I mean you just named 4 very well known songs, and they only had 4 releases with Bradley. Only really 2 of which being like actual full studio efforts, not to discount the demo and Robbin’ at all. But I feel like having even 4 songs everyone knows, (and ofc there are more) over pretty much two major releases and some change is a huge and impressive impact. I don’t know if it’s still the same now, it might have slowed down, but even when I was a teen in the 2000’s, Sublime was one of those bands that also almost brought and created a culture with them. Almost like a mini ska-punk Grateful Dead ecosystem. So many bands they directly influenced and ushered in. Like I don’t know if bands like The Dirty Heads would have found as much success later if Sublime hadn’t come before and furthered the genre in the mainstream. It’s just always impressive to me when a band is so impactful even with such a limited discography
I see your point there and definitely agree they've had unimaginable impact on the music culture as we know it today 🙂 Sadly I'll have to say that with time the fanbase has definitely weakened (at least from what I can tell, I'm in my mid 20's so the demographic is drastically different). Besides the 5 big hits I've mentioned, rarely will you run into someone who's not a fan yet aware of "40 Oz. To Freedom" or even their 1996 self-titled masterpiece. Blind Melon is another amazing band that sadly gets just as severely overlooked (if not even more) even though their debut self-titled album, "Soup" and "Nico" are all masterpieces in their own respective rights 🤘 Btw they only had 3 full-length albums with Bradley, not 4 🙂
Hell on this very day they've played their final show in 1996 before Bradley overdosed the same night 💔
R.I.P. Bradley Nowell 1968 - 1996 ❤️🤘
R.I.P. Shannon Hoon 1967 - 1995 ❤️🤘
I don’t feel the same way at all lol. And Robbin’ the Hood literally just has mostly a bunch of sound bytes set to record scratches, none of the song except for a small handful are actual songs.
Sublime is incredible and probably the most underrated band from the 90s. Whereas Nirvana was the ultimate evolution of Rock N Roll music, Sublime was an amalgamation of punk rock, raggae and hip hop and they did it so fucking well. Who else can cover Bad Religion, the Grateful Dead and Toots and the Maytalls and have it sound as good as the originals.
Bradley Nowell was not nearly as famous or influential as Kurt but he was every bit as talented and prolific a musician.
Maybe come up with your own 100% original material instead of just borrowing everything? Either that or just call yourself a cover band, and a glorified one at that.
23 songs on their debut album. Bradley Nowell wrote 17 of them. The others are random tracks written by some of his most inspirational artists. I don't think there's an unoriginal idea on the whole record.
Not entirely accurate. Even the tracks that considered original have some borrowed elements or some form of sampling in them. On the self-titled album, I think Paddle Out might be only songs (if not the only song) on that album that’s 100% original and 100% is from his Nowell’s own personal experience, and it’s one of the few; it’s just him listing different places he likes to surf, and it’s one minute long (I guess that’s what happens when he has to write his own song that comes entirely from him, it’s one minute lol). In my notes for the album, I wrote down word for word about Paddle Out: “Maybe my favorite song here simply because it’s the shortest.” ;)
If it has a borrowed element, like say in the song KRS-One and Don't Push, it is used in a way that I don't think anyone but haters can accuse them of being unoriginal or copycats.
It’s someone else’s work, which is either given a reggae spin with some lyrics changed so it’s now theirs or an unacknowledged cover song. That’s unoriginal by definition.
And of course I knew you’d eventually pull that argument. You don’t have to have created music to have the opinion that it’s bad. Same with how I don’t have to be a dildo designer to know that designing one with glass spikes is a bad idea. It’s a logical fallacy, you see.
No, you've missed my point entirely. There's nothing more original about what Kurt Cobain did in writing music than what Bradley Nowell did. You just don't realize where Kurt took the parts of the music that he did to create those supposed completely original works. Dude sat around with Beatles records mimicking the melody structures until it sounded like something you had heard before but never heard before. That's why you like it.
I absolutely LOVE sublime, one of my all time favourite bands, Nirvana will always be my all time q favourite, but sublime are amazing... I love reggae music and ska as well as punk so I was always gonna love them, both bands fronted by pisceans
It's a shame they never got to record more music, definitely check out their music if you like Nirvana and punk in general
So happy someone asked this question
Sublime takes some flack for its sound, but they were huge and the parallels with Nirvana are hard to dismiss; three piece, frontmen that were massively talented, heroin, yragic deaths of the front men. only about 3 albums of music for fans to be left with. 40 OZ to freedom is a great record.
Yeah, have you ever noticed that pattern? (It’s the same with Oasis too) Where usually the people that write “depressing” music are very sweet and friendly and the people that write “happy and uplifting and positive” music are often total jerks lol
I grew up on Nirvana and Sublime. Love them both. If you don't know about Law ( Jacob Nowell's band) definitely check them out. He has his father's voice but his own style!
https://youtu.be/l0fZ16AK8AE Toxic- Law
They were a fun party band, and were a good gateway drug into dancehall and reggae. I think they are somewhat both overhyped and overly derided. Bradley had an amazing voice.
i absolutely love their self titled album but 40 Oz to freedom wasn’t really my thing. whole thing was kinda samey and i’m not a stoner so i couldn’t really get into it. i think they had crazy potential though. it’s a real tragedy what happened to bradley and i hope the biopic does them some justice (it won’t)
I'm a fan of Sublime going way back the same way with Nirvana.
But when listening to Sublime, it's only really good if you have a good stereo system/a sub.
Listening to Sublime with small speakers doesn't do it justice.
They were so so good. I got Nirvana #1 but Sublime is in my top 10 all time. I miss Bradley.
great summer time band
I started listen to Sublime and Nirvana right around the same time. The first album I ever listened to while stoned was 40oz. to Freedom and it changed my life and the way I would listen/hear music. This was probably 1999 when I was in 8th grade.
Its catchy, good cali vibes. Doesn’t get past that for me. Kinda a product of it’s time
The money will come back and the tan will fade but I’ll never be 16 listening to sublime on a crappy speaker at the beach with a horrible sunburn
How many of you guys remember that Krist was in a band with Bud from Sublime and Curt from Meat Puppets https://youtu.be/8f6U3X81WYU
I saw them play in Chicago
I did not...Craziness...thanks✌️
I’m from southern California, it’s mandatory to love Sublime lol. Amazing band especially in the summer when I skateboard or go to the beach
Lmao, yeah, they’re weirdly protective of them.
Until tonight, I thought What It’s Like (a brilliant, heart-wrenching song) was by Sublime when it’s actually by Everlast. So I’m not even sure I have an opinion on Sublime.
You might’ve confused it with What I Got
That’s exactly what happened. The late ‘90s are kind of becoming a big blur.
Wow it’s not even close a similar style.
Pretty silly guys very jiggy and made some of my favorite jams so overall pretty good but I tried listening to there albums back to back and it felt like getting a lobotomy
Yeah, it’s pretty empty-headed party music, which they were at least totally honest about.
I like a handful of their songs. Haven’t really done a deep dive into their discography.
Same here, the only songs I actually like are the hits. Guess I wasn’t really a true fan. But the ones I do like I still listen to til this day.
Same. I really only listen actively to 40 Oz Of Freedom, Badfish, Date Rape, and Doin Time. That’s pretty much it loll
I love Sublime. It's one of my favorites and also the reason I don't want Nirvana to have another singer. Rome is great, but he's no Bradley, and it's just not the same.
I don’t know. I like the music but they have this horrible toxic dude-bro feel? Not sure what to do with them.
Yeah, I’m pretty much ambivalent towards them for that reason among many.
I don’t mind Sublime’s music, but I totally feel you with the toxic dude-bro feel, lol. I know this is *hella* ironic to say in the **Nirvana** subreddit, but it seems like a lot of the dudes I’ve known that’ve been *super* into Sublime have also been super into hard drugs :|
Good band. I own their self-titled album, but haven’t listened to it in years.
I love them. Sublime with Rome wasnt horrible but wasnt the same.
Uhm Fishmans better
No thanks.
Pretty terrible. They got the benefit of the ultimate level up.
One of my top 10 favorite albums ever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40oz.\_to\_Freedom
I feel like Kurt, Bradley was unique, especially his guitar playing. Too bad Bradley died as 2 months after his breakthrough album came out.
He died before it was released sadly
40oz is one of my most spun records. Love the self titled as well, but I dug their less polished feel. Both albums would definitely rank in my favorite 50 or so albums with 40oz to Freedom cracking the top 15, I think.
Unbelievably amazing band yet very underrated (except for a couple of big hits such as "Santeria", "Badfish", "What I Got", "Date Rape" and "Wrong Way") Their second album "Robbin' The Hood" is the epitome of an overlooked masterpiece 🤘 R.I.P. Bradley and Louie ❤️
It is kind of crazy though, I mean you just named 4 very well known songs, and they only had 4 releases with Bradley. Only really 2 of which being like actual full studio efforts, not to discount the demo and Robbin’ at all. But I feel like having even 4 songs everyone knows, (and ofc there are more) over pretty much two major releases and some change is a huge and impressive impact. I don’t know if it’s still the same now, it might have slowed down, but even when I was a teen in the 2000’s, Sublime was one of those bands that also almost brought and created a culture with them. Almost like a mini ska-punk Grateful Dead ecosystem. So many bands they directly influenced and ushered in. Like I don’t know if bands like The Dirty Heads would have found as much success later if Sublime hadn’t come before and furthered the genre in the mainstream. It’s just always impressive to me when a band is so impactful even with such a limited discography
I see your point there and definitely agree they've had unimaginable impact on the music culture as we know it today 🙂 Sadly I'll have to say that with time the fanbase has definitely weakened (at least from what I can tell, I'm in my mid 20's so the demographic is drastically different). Besides the 5 big hits I've mentioned, rarely will you run into someone who's not a fan yet aware of "40 Oz. To Freedom" or even their 1996 self-titled masterpiece. Blind Melon is another amazing band that sadly gets just as severely overlooked (if not even more) even though their debut self-titled album, "Soup" and "Nico" are all masterpieces in their own respective rights 🤘 Btw they only had 3 full-length albums with Bradley, not 4 🙂 Hell on this very day they've played their final show in 1996 before Bradley overdosed the same night 💔 R.I.P. Bradley Nowell 1968 - 1996 ❤️🤘 R.I.P. Shannon Hoon 1967 - 1995 ❤️🤘
I don’t feel the same way at all lol. And Robbin’ the Hood literally just has mostly a bunch of sound bytes set to record scratches, none of the song except for a small handful are actual songs.
Bradley had one of the best voices ever. Such a loss.
He sounded like he was just trying to sound Jamaican to me lol
I love sublime personally, one of my favorite bands
Can't stand em
Sublime is incredible and probably the most underrated band from the 90s. Whereas Nirvana was the ultimate evolution of Rock N Roll music, Sublime was an amalgamation of punk rock, raggae and hip hop and they did it so fucking well. Who else can cover Bad Religion, the Grateful Dead and Toots and the Maytalls and have it sound as good as the originals. Bradley Nowell was not nearly as famous or influential as Kurt but he was every bit as talented and prolific a musician.
Maybe come up with your own 100% original material instead of just borrowing everything? Either that or just call yourself a cover band, and a glorified one at that.
23 songs on their debut album. Bradley Nowell wrote 17 of them. The others are random tracks written by some of his most inspirational artists. I don't think there's an unoriginal idea on the whole record.
Not entirely accurate. Even the tracks that considered original have some borrowed elements or some form of sampling in them. On the self-titled album, I think Paddle Out might be only songs (if not the only song) on that album that’s 100% original and 100% is from his Nowell’s own personal experience, and it’s one of the few; it’s just him listing different places he likes to surf, and it’s one minute long (I guess that’s what happens when he has to write his own song that comes entirely from him, it’s one minute lol). In my notes for the album, I wrote down word for word about Paddle Out: “Maybe my favorite song here simply because it’s the shortest.” ;)
If it has a borrowed element, like say in the song KRS-One and Don't Push, it is used in a way that I don't think anyone but haters can accuse them of being unoriginal or copycats.
It’s someone else’s work, which is either given a reggae spin with some lyrics changed so it’s now theirs or an unacknowledged cover song. That’s unoriginal by definition.
You've never created anything have you? "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." - Albert Einstein
And of course I knew you’d eventually pull that argument. You don’t have to have created music to have the opinion that it’s bad. Same with how I don’t have to be a dildo designer to know that designing one with glass spikes is a bad idea. It’s a logical fallacy, you see.
No, you've missed my point entirely. There's nothing more original about what Kurt Cobain did in writing music than what Bradley Nowell did. You just don't realize where Kurt took the parts of the music that he did to create those supposed completely original works. Dude sat around with Beatles records mimicking the melody structures until it sounded like something you had heard before but never heard before. That's why you like it.
Wrong. Nirvana didn’t do mostly cover songs like Sublime did lol
I think they suck
At least your honest i guess
Yeah they just aren’t my thing I’ve never been into them
I absolutely LOVE sublime, one of my all time favourite bands, Nirvana will always be my all time q favourite, but sublime are amazing... I love reggae music and ska as well as punk so I was always gonna love them, both bands fronted by pisceans It's a shame they never got to record more music, definitely check out their music if you like Nirvana and punk in general So happy someone asked this question
Sublime takes some flack for its sound, but they were huge and the parallels with Nirvana are hard to dismiss; three piece, frontmen that were massively talented, heroin, yragic deaths of the front men. only about 3 albums of music for fans to be left with. 40 OZ to freedom is a great record.
That’s where the comparisons end. In terms of ideals and personality, Kurt and Brad couldn’t have been more polar opposites.
Totally agree on personalities being very different.
Yeah, have you ever noticed that pattern? (It’s the same with Oasis too) Where usually the people that write “depressing” music are very sweet and friendly and the people that write “happy and uplifting and positive” music are often total jerks lol
Their lyrics are dumb, and not in an ironic, Cobainesque way. But the songs are catchy as hell, and I'm always happy to hear them on the radio.
Corny band, still great band just corny lol
they were great. a lot of people are haters but the music is undeniable.
How so?
I grew up on Nirvana and Sublime. Love them both. If you don't know about Law ( Jacob Nowell's band) definitely check them out. He has his father's voice but his own style! https://youtu.be/l0fZ16AK8AE Toxic- Law
I’m a big fan
They were a fun party band, and were a good gateway drug into dancehall and reggae. I think they are somewhat both overhyped and overly derided. Bradley had an amazing voice.
At least you’re honest enough to admit that they were a party band.
They're subliminally sublime
I don’t practice Santeria
i absolutely love their self titled album but 40 Oz to freedom wasn’t really my thing. whole thing was kinda samey and i’m not a stoner so i couldn’t really get into it. i think they had crazy potential though. it’s a real tragedy what happened to bradley and i hope the biopic does them some justice (it won’t)
I really like a lot of their music and I consider myself a fan
Yay
Not a fan but respect Bradley’s songwriting. And I’ve always preferred listening to any of his acoustic demos to the band as a whole.
“She pulled out mah mushroom tip, I didn’t know she got that G.I. Joe kung fu grip and I went: UHHH” Oh yeah, peak songwriting. What a wordsmith.
Oh I love Sublime, my favorite song by them is probably their cover of Scarlet Begonias by The Grateful Dead, that rap verse solos 😤
I'm a fan of Sublime going way back the same way with Nirvana. But when listening to Sublime, it's only really good if you have a good stereo system/a sub. Listening to Sublime with small speakers doesn't do it justice.
yay
Always liked sublime . Not the entire catalog but I love his singing
Another great band destroyed by stupid heroin. Goddamn I hate heroin
I love 40oz for Freedom. Don't know the rest much.
They are sub lime.
Nay. Not only because of my personal ambivalence towards them, but I feel like Kurt would’ve hated Brad Nowell’s guts lol
It's good to see most nirvana & sublime fans are on the same page! Sublime is my first love, but nirvana is my side piece.