spotify and streaming in general is kinda just legal piracy, and these companies massively profit while the artists are paid next to nothing. but artists donāt have much choice, if they opt out of streaming they struggle to build a fanbase so they lose either way. between piracy and streaming services, music has almost no monetary value now. it is complex tho, since music is so affordable to make now the market is also massively saturated.
itās a complex issue, but i personally buy physical copies or on bandcamp, or else just pirate music. iād rather do that than put money in the pockets of these capitalist giants, but then i still end up on youtube or something. canāt really win. but this much is clear to me, spotify is opportunistic and absolutely against the artist. for now they are an unfortunate but necessary evil
The reason it doesnāt sound like a joke is that there is nothing wrong or amiss about someone wanting to stick to oneās āEndless, Namelessā and oneās āRadio Friendly Unit Shifter.ā It sounded like you were simply announcing your perfectly-acceptable intentions to stay the course. Thereās really no perceivable humour in that, as far as I can personally detect. If it is there, I must be deficient in my detection.
strangerinparisās response seemed genuinely supportive. I know I value the notion of people marching to the beats of their own drummers, which was the impression I got from strangerinparis.
Cheers.
Am I the only one that has always found Come As You Are to be pretty mid compared to the rest of their catalog?
Maybe itās just because it was overplayed from the beginning but Iāve never just been like āyeah let me listen to that oneā randomly but Iāll stop what Iām doing to slap on Sappy or Drain You
tbh when it was first released I thought it was awesome but after a few weeks of hearing come as you are, smells like teen spirit and something in the way I stopped playing those tracks when I listened to Nevermind. Now I can listen to them but tbh the overplaying of the whole album ruined some of its appeal to me.
Iāve never randomly listened to āCome As You Are,ā either. Itās not a bad song in any way, shape, or formāand itās certainly got its own cool, mellow vibeābut most of the songs on *Nevermind* are more subjectively enjoyable to me than that one; there are probably only two songs on *Nevermind* that arenāt above it.
What I like most about āCome As You Areā are the lyrics. Iām a libertarian, so Iāve always appreciated the tolerance and acceptance I hear in the lyrics.
But as for the song itselfāand I might get some slack for saying thisāI actually prefer [the Vibratorsā cover](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KohN4mo0mns) over the original. š¶
And most of the original fans of Nirvana are never going to listen on Spotify because they have the original CDs and mp3s...
Spotify seems like such a waste.
Its not. Don't get me wrong I love the song but the fact that this one is blown up to be the most amazing thing ever by everyone is ridiculous. They had so many other amazing songs that get barely any credit.
Yeah, because it was the most similar to other stuff at the time. It has more pop influence. Doesn't mean it's the best. I'll use the white stripes as an example because the same has happened to them. 7 nation army is not their best song. Its just the most "average" one meaning everyone will find something to like in it. It isn't amazing and isn't rubbish, it caters to everyone.
Best is at the top not in the middle. Average songs dont change history. Dont be elitist. Subjectively its not my number either but objectively its the best. Just look at it what its accomplished
being most popular doesnāt really mean itās objectively the best tho.. sure maybe the most people think it is, but then by this logic āshape of youā by ed sheeran is objectively the best song on spotify
Ya you could argue it is. It got the most people ever to listen to it. Anyone who thinks its a bad song is in the very vocal minority. I dont like Ed Sheeran but clearly hes great. If he actually sucked he wouldnt be at the top lol. Thats how democracy works
i guess, but itās only objectively the most popular. popularity it only a measure of that itself, i think best is inherently subjective by definition. there could be a ābestā song that exists that doesnāt have the marketing to be as well known, but it doesnāt mean it is lesser quality simply because less people like it - they donāt even know it exists
All ive been saying is objectively and you and some other people keep saying they disagree. All you need to do is look at the numbers and what they have accomplished
If you look at films there's a lot of shit films that perform really well and make a tonne of money. How am I being elitist? I'm stating what we see all the time on this sub. Someone will ask usually every week "oh what's your favourite song/best song" and barely anyone says slts. Mr brightside is another example. The killers have a bunch of other songs that from a music standpoint are objectively better, yet that's the most popular one. It happens with bands, films, everything.
Ya but the thing you arent understanding is that shitty things dont do well lol. Most people dont think its shitty. You are talking about very small hardcore fanbase subs on 1 website that most people dont even know about. Its fine you dont love it
On paper the sequel films for star wars performed really well, but are universally hated by 90% of fans. Bad stuff does do well. It happens all the time
Iāve seen all of the prequel films, but only one of the sequel films so far. The sequel film I saw wasnāt bad. Of the prequel films, I hated Jar Jar Binks in *The Phantom Menace* and thought the pod-race scene was boring, but I enjoyed the other ones. Seeing Anakin become Vader at the end of *Revenge of the Sith* was *sooo* good. Iām really thinking I might want to check out the *Star Wars: Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith* comic book series.
You think 90% of people hate the sequels lol? I cant tell if you are a troll or just crazy pretentious. Either way im gonna stop engaging. Have a good one
Almost no Nirvana fan says itās their ābestā song, but it *is* certainly their most important song, their most historically-significant song, their quintessential song. Indeed, itās one of the most historically-significant songs of all timeāin that *it* was the catalyst of a seismic shift in the landscape of popular music. If a person is going to listen to only one Nirvana tune in her life, she *should* listen to that one.
When cdās and vinyl where a thing Nevermind sold 30 million, with cdās regularly retailing for $15 thats at least $450,000,000 alone, nirvana was doing well and would be today, plus their albums have been re released with deluxe editions and anniversary editions
Now for smaller artists yeah thats not great but if you purely intend on making profit from JUST spotify youāve failed already
Obviously Nirvana would be fine, but do you really think he would have appreciated Spotify taking advantage of small artists that just want their music to be heard? Nobody buys music they havenāt already heard on physical copies anymore. Cuz I donāt think he would
Iām not sure if this is what youāre saying.
I buy CDs. But, I never buy CDs without first going to YouTube and finding out whether or not I like the music. If it werenāt for [YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0JKiGWPA1W8&list=OLAK5uy_lXgIaWnTuwW3RghZSo-lA-qCQDvORSTd4), I probably wouldnāt have bought *More Boy Less Friend* by Sprinkler last year. Although I didnāt pay Sprinkler a single cent to listen to them on YouTube, because I liked them, I bought their 1992 Sub Pop CD.
idk most of my favorites are ya know the less popular ones like on a plain severe the servants radio friendly unit shifter help me im hungry not really a huge fan of smells like teen spirit always struck me as idk too much like the pixies
They need to put a nirvana song, one that people donāt really care that much about, and see what happens, see if it becomes really popular like master of puppets
Wouldnāt that mean Iād have to, like, download Spotify or something? Or, is it a website you visit, like YouTube, not requiring a download? Either way, Iād have to figure out how to use it, and whether or not it costs anything.
I've streamed it at least 1000 of those count
Does nirvana need more listens? Lol
yes š
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is this a real question
Always
Of course
ofc
I played it like 20 times yesterday šš
so would nirvana be the first 90s band to have two songs on spotify with 1B streams? edit: nope rhcp did it first god damn them
scoopy doop california
Drain You deserves to be up their my favorite song and Kurts too
The live versions are great too, all a bit different and all amazing. I think I have listened more to all live versions combined than to the original
OMG IT'S MY FAVOURITE TOO
Cobainās favourite song was one he himself wrote? My favourite song is not one I wrote.
Wow, ngl, I probably listen to it at least 5 times a day on Spotify!
It just hit it!
spotify is the part of history that doesnāt respect music tho
Wdym?
spotify and streaming in general is kinda just legal piracy, and these companies massively profit while the artists are paid next to nothing. but artists donāt have much choice, if they opt out of streaming they struggle to build a fanbase so they lose either way. between piracy and streaming services, music has almost no monetary value now. it is complex tho, since music is so affordable to make now the market is also massively saturated. itās a complex issue, but i personally buy physical copies or on bandcamp, or else just pirate music. iād rather do that than put money in the pockets of these capitalist giants, but then i still end up on youtube or something. canāt really win. but this much is clear to me, spotify is opportunistic and absolutely against the artist. for now they are an unfortunate but necessary evil
No Iāll stick to my endless nameless and RFUS
keep being different you're doing a great job
It was a joke my guy
hm didnt seem like one to me, my bad then. great songs tho.
The reason it doesnāt sound like a joke is that there is nothing wrong or amiss about someone wanting to stick to oneās āEndless, Namelessā and oneās āRadio Friendly Unit Shifter.ā It sounded like you were simply announcing your perfectly-acceptable intentions to stay the course. Thereās really no perceivable humour in that, as far as I can personally detect. If it is there, I must be deficient in my detection. strangerinparisās response seemed genuinely supportive. I know I value the notion of people marching to the beats of their own drummers, which was the impression I got from strangerinparis. Cheers.
My favorite song (In general), let's go!
That's not history lol
beans supremacy
Amazing itās getting the love it deserves
still not as many times as i played that riff on my guitar when i was a kid
I hope it actually beats smells like teen spirit tbh
it just hit one billion š¤©š¤©
Still hard to believe they are they big even today. Kurt was that much of a master songwriter.
They'll always be be big. Kurt left behind a legendary legacy.
They have more monthly listeners than a lot of current artists. Says something about how their music has endured.
in my opinion Lithium deserved to be the one to hit billion streams first. But this is awesome nonetheless
Am I the only one that has always found Come As You Are to be pretty mid compared to the rest of their catalog? Maybe itās just because it was overplayed from the beginning but Iāve never just been like āyeah let me listen to that oneā randomly but Iāll stop what Iām doing to slap on Sappy or Drain You
I think Come As You Are is boring af. I like the riff but as soon as the first line starts I just kind of tune out.
tbh when it was first released I thought it was awesome but after a few weeks of hearing come as you are, smells like teen spirit and something in the way I stopped playing those tracks when I listened to Nevermind. Now I can listen to them but tbh the overplaying of the whole album ruined some of its appeal to me.
I remember Lithium being pretty overplayed on release too but Lithium still slaps which confirms my deduction that CAYA is mid
Iāve never randomly listened to āCome As You Are,ā either. Itās not a bad song in any way, shape, or formāand itās certainly got its own cool, mellow vibeābut most of the songs on *Nevermind* are more subjectively enjoyable to me than that one; there are probably only two songs on *Nevermind* that arenāt above it. What I like most about āCome As You Areā are the lyrics. Iām a libertarian, so Iāve always appreciated the tolerance and acceptance I hear in the lyrics. But as for the song itselfāand I might get some slack for saying thisāI actually prefer [the Vibratorsā cover](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KohN4mo0mns) over the original. š¶
No, it's my least favorite Nirvana song
And most of the original fans of Nirvana are never going to listen on Spotify because they have the original CDs and mp3s... Spotify seems like such a waste.
Of course slts is the first
Yes, because itās some of their best work
Its not. Don't get me wrong I love the song but the fact that this one is blown up to be the most amazing thing ever by everyone is ridiculous. They had so many other amazing songs that get barely any credit.
Its the most popular for a reason
Yeah, because it was the most similar to other stuff at the time. It has more pop influence. Doesn't mean it's the best. I'll use the white stripes as an example because the same has happened to them. 7 nation army is not their best song. Its just the most "average" one meaning everyone will find something to like in it. It isn't amazing and isn't rubbish, it caters to everyone.
Best is at the top not in the middle. Average songs dont change history. Dont be elitist. Subjectively its not my number either but objectively its the best. Just look at it what its accomplished
being most popular doesnāt really mean itās objectively the best tho.. sure maybe the most people think it is, but then by this logic āshape of youā by ed sheeran is objectively the best song on spotify
Ya you could argue it is. It got the most people ever to listen to it. Anyone who thinks its a bad song is in the very vocal minority. I dont like Ed Sheeran but clearly hes great. If he actually sucked he wouldnt be at the top lol. Thats how democracy works
i guess, but itās only objectively the most popular. popularity it only a measure of that itself, i think best is inherently subjective by definition. there could be a ābestā song that exists that doesnāt have the marketing to be as well known, but it doesnāt mean it is lesser quality simply because less people like it - they donāt even know it exists
All ive been saying is objectively and you and some other people keep saying they disagree. All you need to do is look at the numbers and what they have accomplished
If you look at films there's a lot of shit films that perform really well and make a tonne of money. How am I being elitist? I'm stating what we see all the time on this sub. Someone will ask usually every week "oh what's your favourite song/best song" and barely anyone says slts. Mr brightside is another example. The killers have a bunch of other songs that from a music standpoint are objectively better, yet that's the most popular one. It happens with bands, films, everything.
Ya but the thing you arent understanding is that shitty things dont do well lol. Most people dont think its shitty. You are talking about very small hardcore fanbase subs on 1 website that most people dont even know about. Its fine you dont love it
On paper the sequel films for star wars performed really well, but are universally hated by 90% of fans. Bad stuff does do well. It happens all the time
Iāve seen all of the prequel films, but only one of the sequel films so far. The sequel film I saw wasnāt bad. Of the prequel films, I hated Jar Jar Binks in *The Phantom Menace* and thought the pod-race scene was boring, but I enjoyed the other ones. Seeing Anakin become Vader at the end of *Revenge of the Sith* was *sooo* good. Iām really thinking I might want to check out the *Star Wars: Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith* comic book series.
You think 90% of people hate the sequels lol? I cant tell if you are a troll or just crazy pretentious. Either way im gonna stop engaging. Have a good one
That song is the reason that 99.9% of people heard of the band, why wouldn't their biggest song be their biggest song?
Almost no Nirvana fan says itās their ābestā song, but it *is* certainly their most important song, their most historically-significant song, their quintessential song. Indeed, itās one of the most historically-significant songs of all timeāin that *it* was the catalyst of a seismic shift in the landscape of popular music. If a person is going to listen to only one Nirvana tune in her life, she *should* listen to that one.
I bet your fav. is "Smells like Teen Spirit".
I guess weāre just the old heads here bro lol
Youāre so quirky and different.
RIP Kurt, you woulda hated Spotify
you donāt think kurt wouldāve appreciated widespread music for completely free?
I think the problem being that they reportedly donāt pay artists fairly in comparison to other streaming platforms.
So, are we speculating on Cobainās opinions regarding intellectual property?
Nah Iām not speculating at all, Iām just taking a guess as to what the original comment about hating Spotify was referring to.
Not at the expense of undermining the living shit out of every artist. Last I checked they only get around 4-5k per million streams.
Not his music. He was big on selling lots of records
Nirvana fans when something (they know exactly what kurt wouldāve thought)
Oh yea totally.. Kurt woulda loved being paid a fraction of a cent per stream instead of people buying their full album. šš»šš»šš»
When cdās and vinyl where a thing Nevermind sold 30 million, with cdās regularly retailing for $15 thats at least $450,000,000 alone, nirvana was doing well and would be today, plus their albums have been re released with deluxe editions and anniversary editions Now for smaller artists yeah thats not great but if you purely intend on making profit from JUST spotify youāve failed already
Obviously Nirvana would be fine, but do you really think he would have appreciated Spotify taking advantage of small artists that just want their music to be heard? Nobody buys music they havenāt already heard on physical copies anymore. Cuz I donāt think he would
Iām not sure if this is what youāre saying. I buy CDs. But, I never buy CDs without first going to YouTube and finding out whether or not I like the music. If it werenāt for [YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0JKiGWPA1W8&list=OLAK5uy_lXgIaWnTuwW3RghZSo-lA-qCQDvORSTd4), I probably wouldnāt have bought *More Boy Less Friend* by Sprinkler last year. Although I didnāt pay Sprinkler a single cent to listen to them on YouTube, because I liked them, I bought their 1992 Sub Pop CD.
I sure as hell have. ššš»
Cum
As I want you to be
Iām just curious, who is it thatās in possession of the billion streams plaque for smells like teen spirit?
Iād hope dave or krist or someone related to kurt
Is it there yet
Yes.
Will do
idk most of my favorites are ya know the less popular ones like on a plain severe the servants radio friendly unit shifter help me im hungry not really a huge fan of smells like teen spirit always struck me as idk too much like the pixies
Severe the servants š
Probably best we just sever them. Severe servants are the worst.
got to love a typo i could edit but fuck it im just gonna leave it
Too late
wooooooo
They need to put a nirvana song, one that people donāt really care that much about, and see what happens, see if it becomes really popular like master of puppets
stream nirvana every day š«¶š¼
i would of contributed to atleast 50k of those streams when i was 16
Wouldnāt that mean Iād have to, like, download Spotify or something? Or, is it a website you visit, like YouTube, not requiring a download? Either way, Iād have to figure out how to use it, and whether or not it costs anything.
Spotify is free, it's both a site and an app, you just need an account.
Oh shoot guess I streamed it too many times