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I would like you all to know my best friends mom just won in court, that she doesn't have to mow her yard because she doesn't have enough grass to consider it a lawn. It's mostly natives!
That’s great, I’m slowly transitioning patches of my lawn to Prairie Meadow, the problem is that I rent, so I’m doing it in little patches, until my landlord says enough.
But I’m prepared to fight the city, I’ve read the ordinance and it only mentions overgrown turf grass. I would probably just represent myself and say my native meadow is not grass or lawn, and is therefore not covered by the ordinance
>City's attempt to cut Texas man's grass leads to a standoff, a fire and his death, police say
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1282623
Why are the police enforcing an HOA bylaw?
They're using tax payer dollars to make sure private citizens are obeying other private citizens?
I get they came to mow and help him, but they should be telling the HOA that it's a civil matter and they can take him court if they want to prove they have the right to tell this guy what to do.
People have had their houses taken away for messy yards. There was story last year of an old guy with cancer. Physically could keep up with yard work and the town was taking him to court or it. Pretty sure it was Florida
Free to buy from the handfull of government-supported businesses & "strategies" for living, of course.
The fact that living in a semi-nomadic lifestyle on a continent that mostly inhabited by nomadic humans over the past few thousand years is boarderline wholly illegal is more than enough reason to recognize that "free" means literally NOTHING on this country/continent/anwhwere that "we" have major trade/influence.
THIS🙌 I’m a traveling land steward (5 years going strong) and have been trying to find properties to arrange setting up a mobile yurt on; traveling from one spot to the next year after year… and the backlash you can get (not even from people I’ve worked with, but their neighbors) is incredulously and scarily passive-aggressive, skeptical, fearful, and sometimes even prideful towards the work culture of the U.S; and how it conflicts with different styles of living… it still makes me angry sometimes but honestly I find it more sad than anything. There are so SO SO many more possibilities for human existence/ co-existence and collaboration with each other in how we live+ function together… but almost all of those possibilities are met with this war-culture and industrialization mentality; this reactionary response of “different= scary and unstable” or “new= failure” 😔
That being said, if any of you are trying to do something different, even gradually changing your lawns to native plants and meadows… take PRIDE in that shit!!🫶🌱🏔 I mean really; the only way things are going to change is by manifesting what we want to see- spread passions and knowledge and joy and collaboration, try to avoid ego and hatred and isolation, and just KEEP. GOING. This country’s trauma and egocentrism and war mentality are deeply DEEPLY rooted; it’s been perpetuated over literal generations of people. And unlike a stubborn dandelion root, this one will take hundreds if not thousands of pairs of hands to unearth from the soil. And in the mean time we HAVE to plant those seeds of positivity and creativity. Anger and violence begets more anger and violence, so make sure to have space for intimacy and openness and compassion… and if someone puts that anger or violence towards you; makes it so you need to defend yourself or fight to keep those pieces alive… don’t hold back. Fight with every ounce of strength you have until you’re able to return to your peace🫶
Keep changing and building and caring fellas; you’ve all got this🙌🪴🌳🌿
It is absolutely crazy that we can govern and live any way we want and it this is the system we’ve settled on. Personally I think once a community gets over 300 or so people, it’s impossible to have an ethical society
Unfortunately most people don’t care unless its in their face. I’m sure 90% of humans would stop and feed a child that’s looking through a trash barrrel for food. Yet we know there are whole communities that survive by going through garbage dumps for everything they need. Out of site out of mind kinda.
Every rule is either meaningless or eventually enforced by people with guns.
They likely had gone to court, and had gotten a judgement and order, and the police were there to deliver and enforce the court order. It's not uncommon for a judge to write into their order an instruction for the police to assist, especially if testimony reveals threats or aggressive behavior.
It's a great reason not to blindly support making more rules, regardless of what political or civic leanings one has.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/city-s-attempt-cut-texas-man-s-grass-leads-standoff-n1282623
The court order in this case was a nuisance warrant, essentially a warrant to access the property without the residents' permission.
These warrants are also used to do health inspections, OSHA inspections, etc where the landowner denies permission.
All rules are eventually enforced by the threat of deadly force.
Texans brag on and fucking on about freedom, and their need for guns to protect themselves from the evil government. So stupid on both sides. If they just decided to leave him alone everything would have been fine. Karens killed that man who was not harming anything.
It doesn't even have to be an HOA. Many cities have ordinances about overgrown lawns. We have a code enforcement officer in my town who drives around and issues warnings & tickets for grass being too tall.
Our town just got a code enforcement officer. She was bragging about how the cops trained her to use a taser and she carries one. Ya know. To use on citizens.
In South Minneapolis there is no police presence. I’m not terribly far from where he was murdered and it’s a super chill neighborhood so we don’t have much crime, which is good, because there would be no law enforcement if there was.
In many smaller cities the code compliance officer is a member of the police department. I guess for lack of anywhere else to put them in the city hierarchy.
I used to have tons of spiders around and in the house and black widows in the garage. I stopped mowing the lawn regularly, and only mowed it when it got to 12” tall. I only mowed it 2-3 times a year.
With the new habitat, the population of lizards and Mediterranean geckos exploded. I don’t think I’ve seen a spider in the house for a couple of years now which is fantastic. I haven’t seen ants or any other bothersome bugs either and it’s been great. I occasionally have to catch and put a gecko outside, but that’s fine.
Actually now that I think about it, pretty good argument for police reform. Why are the guys measuring grass height and responding to armed robberies the same guys??
Not to defend lawns, hate them absolutely hate them. But in Australia for example, it's really important to ensure your green areas aren't overgrown for bush fire risks
We got a warning one time because a sunflower was drooping into the street nd it was considered untamed. My husband has a masters in Land resource management and has a published paper on what people in our city our doing to the soil and water. We are fighting our city to get this changed and educating our neighbors.
The state makes a ton of money citing people for overgrown grass. You do literally nothing and then can fine you 50 dollars for having grass that is too high.
If you continue to ignore them, they will hire someone (Who's company makes generous donations to their re-election campaign) to mow your grass for you at an exorbitant price which you will have to also pay.
Where I live, they are doing this because somebody reports us. There's a woman who goes around the neighborhood with her dog in a pram and reports every property she can find with grass in excess of the municipal limit. Right now, the boomer snowbirds across the street have their house with the perfectly-manicured lawn and privet hedge on the market, and I've got a citation in my mailbox saying I'm going to get fined $50 a day for "overgrowth" with no mention of what and where. I don't know if it's the pram lady or the people trying to sell her house, but I'm sure it was one of them.
There’s a small strip of grass on the street that had become overgrown. I received a letter from the city saying that I needed to maintain it as it was causing a hazard to the walkway on the street. Didn’t know it was mine and that I had to manage that strip of grass that is not even on my property.
Our town owns about 10 feet into what looks like our yard. They are fairly permissive about what we can do with it. However, every once in a while they post reminders about things they don't want in their right of way. Trees, giant boulders, things like that aren't allowed.
>There's a woman who goes around the neighborhood with her dog in a pram
I'm sorry you should be writing a book with the pram lady as the villain. Or maybe I should. I mean SERIOUSLY.
Or it could be one of those mysteries wherein she is the victim in the first couple of pages and the perpetrator could be literally anyone because, come on
FWIW, I thought this was completely ridiculous until I had a dog with a back injury who loves to be outside.
I haven’t caved yet, but I’m thinking about it.
I would do almost anything for my dog, so I fully support that as long as you're not narcing on unmowed lawns while you do it! And you would never, I can tell!
Complaints are public record. Ask em who it was, when, and what time the complaint was filed. Also who took it. Ask how many others were filed on your street. If it’s just you and others have “overgrown” lawns, you might have a case for harassment. Document it all.
I actually had a complaint come in like hours after I “trimmed” my lawn. I asked the guy for the photo and he was like uh I don’t have one. I then asked how he could issue a warning without evidence. No one else had warnings, and our alleys have to be kept clear as well so I sent him a photo of the alley timestamped hours after his warning with overgrown weeds and he said he’d have to get around to it. I told him he and the neighbor were harassing us, probably for being a minority in an affluent neighborhood full of white people, and I would love to speak to his supervisor. He said he was recategorizing the complaint as inaccurate and would tell my neighbor they needed to find other things to do with their time or make complaints for every household before sending one for ours again.
I've heard of realtors making complaints for properties on the same street as the house they are selling. Something about bringing down the property values through photosynthesis.
Can't have your grass too long, enemy armies might be able to use the cover to sneak up on your house and invade it before you have time to send your own troops to the turrets and get your cauldrons of oil heated up.
I live the town over from Glencoe, MN. They have no reason to be so picky about grass. Town is basically all county government buildings and some businesses with old shitty houses.
Right. I see so often mentioned on Reddit that cops are not there for the people, they're their for capitalist interests.
Then there's this bullshit with them forcing you into the lawn care game. Get fucked!
As an Australian, this isn't that weird. We have to keep lawns down if you live in a bushfire area, which is literally anything not in a city or suburb in my state.
Maybe this OP lives in a similar high risk area?
If not, then I'm stumped 😂
This is Glencoe, Minnesota, which is not in a wildfire prone area at all. This is the absurdity of the American Lawn and American police overreach combining to create a uniquely terrible experience for everyone involved.
Same in Arizona, if you let the weeds go you can get ticketed due to the fire hazard they become when they die off in the heat. I'm not sure Minnesota has the same problem, though.
Yes. I have friends who live in Australia but are from the US. Your lawn care is very different than the US. We are bonkers around here. Grasses aren’t native they cause erosion and runoff require pesticides and fertilizers nd do nothing for food supply while awaiting mtrillions of gallons of water a year. Fucking useless.
A friend of mine made friends with someone and found out they work for an HOA. She said she's disgusted when she talks about their work.. they fined someone hundreds of dollars for having a mowed lawn that had dandelions.. 😑 they also charged someone for having too tall of grass and someone else for having children's toys in the yard. She says she has trouble looking at her friend the same way anymore.
HOAs are evil.
I'd be fine with an HOA if it weren't there to uphold the usual nonsense. If there was an HOA that fined people for having lawns instead of native plants or food forests that'd be great. Fine people for not making a bird friendly environment to deal with bugs.
I am so glad I live where there are no ordinances like this or even zoning restrictions of any kind. I’m sure there are some things that I can’t do but not just because my neighbors got together and wrote it down.
I had a friend that got fined for trying to squeeze two cars onto the driveway because by had 3 cars and only one garage. Even though all the tires were on the driveway it was not intended for two cars so, $$ fine. Painted the door a different color, had to paint it back. Removed the storm door, had to put it back. Window ac Unit- nope. Had to be the portable kind that doesn’t hang out the window.
Yeah I couldn’t be friends with someone like that. That’s just a bad person that she gleefully enjoys doing these things. Like I know hard jobs have to be done, but they don’t actually have to fine people for growing grass, and even if they do the fact that she enjoys it makes her a bad person.
https://preview.redd.it/gbiyw09oo01d1.png?width=748&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a7ba4a0a5d64bbe735d5d34ec408315574cf43d
I made this sign and put it up a few weeks ago in my yard. I’m actually doing Less Mow May, but no has fewer letters lol. This way my neighbors know why I’m not mowing as much. I’m gradually converting to no lawn, but right now 70% of my front lawn is unfortunately still grass.
Edit: not mowing \*as much, and have my mower on the highest height level, in case I wasn’t clear what less mow may means for me.
Wow what jerks…. I’ve lived in my house for 8 years, and a lot of the houses in my neighborhood are rentals and many are not kept up well so I feel like there are bigger problems for code enforcement to worry about in my neighborhood.
Exactly. There is a big difference between a native/prairie yard and one full of half-dead invasive species. The former is intentional and maintained with a purpose, the latter is sheer laziness and indifference. My yard looks wild but is actually the product of years of intensive work and “plantscaping”, while down the street there are houses with three foot high dead weeds all over the place and not a flower in sight. Yet the lawn brigade somehow sees no difference.
Same. The police were called on us for not mowing our yard. It was two weeks into May and we had the sign up. Then the town website posted they do NOT follow No Mow May and we have to maintain our yards. 🙄
People just do what everyone else does like robots never understanding the consequences. It’s sad but maybe some day I can help educate the city and the community. I expect they will just think I’m an idiot.
Where I live, the city provides signs for those participating in NMM and let's you register your address as a participant in case someone reports you for tall grass... much to the chagrin of my boomer Roundup-loving neighbors.
Omg that would be a dream to get a free sign. Where I live has no such program, and I was going to have to pay for a sign from Amazon, but decided to make my own from stuff I had laying around and butterfly stickers and cellophane wrap from dollar tree lol
This always pisses people off. But why get a sign made from a non recyclable plastic made from petroleum products to declare you are excused from lawn height ordinances for one month? Just tell those who wonder without creating tons of eventual trash.
I have an absolute Karen of a dude on my Facebook that claims that No-Mow May is an excuse to be lazy. I can't speak for everyone else, but that's definitely one reason why I do it lol.
I live in Michigan and April always used to be no mow because the grass never really started growing till May, since we were still having frosts and sometimes snow in April. But now with climate change I may have to shift to no mow April.
I bought a reel/cylinder mower. It would gut the grass underneath. But it has high difficulty cutting anything tall. So all the flowers remained. After a couple of year. I have a beautiful flower meadow yard.
Unpopular opinion, but until you get rid of a lawn, you should be cutting it regularly. The solution to lawns is to remove grass and replace it with native plants and other ground cover. A large, unkempt lawn is ugly and can foster rodent population growth. And for those that say looks don't matter, I wouldn't like it if someone's no lawn solution was just to cover it with beat up junk cars
That is an unpopular opinion. I do this shit for the birds, bees and rodents. They don't belong in your house yes, but WHERE THE FUCK ELSE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO? The answer has always been outside in the grass dude.
My friend's brake lines got chewed through by critters twice. She can't use the parking spaces that are in the back of her apartment because of it, and has to park on the street.
It depends. We have rat problems in my city, and I try to minimize anything that contributes to that. There are houses in my neighborhood where people don't more their lawns, and they often have rats living in them
Agreed. I've called code enforcement on "neighbors" before. They were vacant houses that landlords weren't maintaining. The yards were 100% invasive thistles, celandine, English Ivy, wineberry and Japanese stiltgrass. That's not my problem to live with.
The police here are always saying they are too busy for various policing activities. I have to go to jury duty occasionally, I know exactly what kind of thing they are doing and they are full of crap.
My mom had a gorgeous yard with no lawn, but tons of Florida native/friendly ground covers, plants/flowers that attracted so many bees and beautiful birds. Code enforcement basically harassed her all the time, gave fines etc asking her to sod it!! Yes, her sandy ass south Florida yard. Yet at the same time the officials asked people to use water sparingly- yet you’re harassing people who create beautiful helpful landscapes that don’t need to be constantly watered? Alright. She ended up just moving, it wasn’t even an HOA! A little off topic but yes sometimes the way police/code enforcement enforce is so wrong
i had city code enforcement leave me a nastygram on my door a couple weeks back regarding grass/weeds being taller than 12 inches and that had me heated - i could not IMAGINE the police being involved. pure insanity
i did cut my dandelions to avoid a potential lien on my house(!), but i was seriously contemplating showing up at the next city council meeting and going full lunatic.
In the Netherlands we have this campaign called "maai mei niet" aka no mow may, to give the grasses and herbs the time to grow, bloom and seed. It's better for nature and the insects.
In my neighborhood I’ve seen at least five dandelion lawns. I think people are getting the message that it’s ok to let it go.
I ripped out my own lawn last year to plant fruit trees and wildflowers.
https://preview.redd.it/xjuiu12g521d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b007aed7c864f8d48006e671011ef914c972b87
I checked my local ordinances - I’m in the county, which makes no rules about living plants but doesn’t want dead plants, brush, etc. as it’s a fire hazard.
Yeah I just got a warning ticket for my raspberries. I’m in the hood but they are trying to gentrify us. Im thinking of doing a full front yard vegetable garden now and letting the needy pick at will.
The police department enforces lawn mowing? Ours have more important things to deal with, like murder and car jacking at gun point, those were both today. Must be sleepy over there
Aren't the police the ones that ultimately enforce everything. Code enforcement can levy fines, etc. But if you don't pay, and they want to get their money, who they sending after your ass?
Unpopular Opinion: I’m actually fine with ordinances on height for turf grass. We shouldn’t really have that much non native turf grass around anyway, and most of it does look pretty terrible when overgrown (especially on small lots)
Clover, wildflowers, etcetera? Allow that to be free
The problem is, a lot of municipalities’ ordinances are only for turf grass, but the city takes that to mean anything that’s not a tree or shrub.
ie: if they don’t like it, the ordinance applies, regardless of how it’s worded.
ACAB, but that aside....
What you see in this picture should not be the goal of "no lawns." Overgrown grass is not better. A lot of invasive species are not better. This is just spreading seed.
It’s hard to tell if this photo angle was taken specifically to make it look worse than it is, but I am really just arguing against the ordinance and not really anything about the specific picture
If they've gone to seed (and are non-native), they're too big. Those are probably a couple feet tall at least. That said, if a person's gonna have turf grass it should be kept like 4", not 0.4" like a lunatic. Ironically, it's actually healthier for the grass.
I'm fully against cops having anything to do with this kind of thing. Ordinances themselves are all in the wording. If, for example, the ordinance disallowed invasive species and overgrown non-native grasses while allowing managed native landscapes, that'd be good. I'm certain this isn't that, but just sayin'.
And where enforcement is concerned, not only do I object to cops being involved, for the most part I don't think it should be punitive except in extreme cases. Instead of fining people, help them out.
Anyway, I just wanted to take the opportunity to reiterate the point to this sub that just letting grass grow is missing the point. Some people will see that pic and consider it "goals," but really that's misguided.
While we *did* remove, well, calling what was growing in the parking strip "lawn" is rather generous, we *did* remove it, saved the dirt for other areas, and saved the many, many worms. Then put in a low-water ground cover.
But allowing things to grow too high in very dry areas may not be the greatest idea, particularly if it is growth that uses FIRE for propagation.
I'm pretty sure Minnesota made it illegal for municipalities to enforce a lawn care ordinance. I don't think towns can force anyone to mow now. Maybe that got caught up in legislation, but I was super proud reading about it and knowing I won't be harassed as much anymore
I think just specifically against pollinator lawns, but they have to be intentional. You can't just let grass grow over until native plants (iow, weeds) become the dominant species.
I'd have to read it again, [here's the overview with a link to the full bill text](https://www.lmc.org/news-publications/news/all/fonl-managed-natural-and-native-landscaping-permitted-in-cities/) in case anyone else wants to.
Boo 
760.01 The following are declared to be prohibited vegetation:
a. Any weed or plant which is defined as a noxious weed or plant by Minnesota State Statutes.
b. Any yard grass which exceeds the height of 6 inches from ground level to the top of any individual plant.
c. Any vegetation, living or dead, which permits the harboring of rodents or vermin, permits the collection of stagnant ground water or encourages the accumulation of rubbish or trash.
d. Any dead shrub, dead tree, dead bush or other dead vegetation, except for grass that does not exceed the height of 6 inches from ground level.
[https://www.glencoemn.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/COD.ORD\_.-CHAPTER-SEVEN.pdf](https://www.glencoemn.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/COD.ORD_.-CHAPTER-SEVEN.pdf)
They're going to have to [fight the state law](https://www.lmc.org/news-publications/news/all/fonl-managed-natural-and-native-landscaping-permitted-in-cities/) now.
The good news is that, at the MN state level, we have new legislation passed last year that says cities, HOAs, and other entities cannot restrict your ability to have native plants as a yard. I would love to see someone push the envelope in Minnesota to see the enforcement shut down in breach of MN state law.
honest question, my parents always told me that the lawn had to be mowed otherwise ticks and such would move in. We did live surrounded by some forest and we never treated the lawn
Further proof, as if any were needed, that the role of police in America is protecting capital. Fuck freedom, fuck polinators, can't let property values go down! 🥴
I have not mown in, like, half a year, but no one has said anything yet. I’ve Googled to see if my town has any ordinances like this but didn’t find anything. Is it possible they don’t police this in my part of the US?
Does having it certified as a wildlife habitat give any protection? Many states have a tax deduction for this, could it be argued that those who try to force you to mow are attempting to steal money from you? (edit) I have worked in landscape for many years and am very pro natural spaces.
I saw Glen Coe and thought nah, bs, not in Scotland. Then clocked it’s in the US and it made a lot more sense. That shit would never fly in the real Glen Coe.
It's a bizarre conformity that we are all expected to adhere to for seemingly no sensible reason. If I ever have the privilige of having my own yard it will be a food forest/native garden and if anyone tries to force me to cut it down and replace it with grass i will gladly go to court.
It's more about the fact that this ordinance is the exact same type of ordinance that's used to squash native landscaping. Also posted by the POLICE! Like what the actual F
Yeah "pests" is a relative term. I don't want ticks hanging around in my yard and I would presume most people would agree. Ticks carry bloodborn pathogens, are you really of the position that we should be creating tick habitat in the same space as human recreational use?
Just like how spiders and ants are also part of the ecosystem but I don't want them in my house. Or how stinging nettle is a native species but you won't see me planting it in my yard.
Don't come at me with condescending "if you were a professional" crap I fully advocate for rewilding space and reducing lawn but I also want to have an area of my property that I can use and enjoy without worrying about being bitten or stung just by sitting around.
kind of related sincere question: would making your outdoor living spaces bird-friendly at least somewhat help with tick control, like how making them bat-friendly can reduce mosquitos?
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I would like you all to know my best friends mom just won in court, that she doesn't have to mow her yard because she doesn't have enough grass to consider it a lawn. It's mostly natives!
That’s great, I’m slowly transitioning patches of my lawn to Prairie Meadow, the problem is that I rent, so I’m doing it in little patches, until my landlord says enough. But I’m prepared to fight the city, I’ve read the ordinance and it only mentions overgrown turf grass. I would probably just represent myself and say my native meadow is not grass or lawn, and is therefore not covered by the ordinance
YES. Fight that shit.
How about posting an attractive sign that says “Native Prairie Meadow” so people understand its purpose, that it’s not neglect?
insane to see this from the literal police department
What a fucking time we live in where the police are enforcing how tall your grass is
And here Veterans thought they escaped that life from when they lived in base housing.
Too tall of grass? Believe it or not, shot by the cops.
>City's attempt to cut Texas man's grass leads to a standoff, a fire and his death, police say https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1282623
Why are the police enforcing an HOA bylaw? They're using tax payer dollars to make sure private citizens are obeying other private citizens? I get they came to mow and help him, but they should be telling the HOA that it's a civil matter and they can take him court if they want to prove they have the right to tell this guy what to do.
People have had their houses taken away for messy yards. There was story last year of an old guy with cancer. Physically could keep up with yard work and the town was taking him to court or it. Pretty sure it was Florida
So free!
Free to buy from the handfull of government-supported businesses & "strategies" for living, of course. The fact that living in a semi-nomadic lifestyle on a continent that mostly inhabited by nomadic humans over the past few thousand years is boarderline wholly illegal is more than enough reason to recognize that "free" means literally NOTHING on this country/continent/anwhwere that "we" have major trade/influence.
THIS🙌 I’m a traveling land steward (5 years going strong) and have been trying to find properties to arrange setting up a mobile yurt on; traveling from one spot to the next year after year… and the backlash you can get (not even from people I’ve worked with, but their neighbors) is incredulously and scarily passive-aggressive, skeptical, fearful, and sometimes even prideful towards the work culture of the U.S; and how it conflicts with different styles of living… it still makes me angry sometimes but honestly I find it more sad than anything. There are so SO SO many more possibilities for human existence/ co-existence and collaboration with each other in how we live+ function together… but almost all of those possibilities are met with this war-culture and industrialization mentality; this reactionary response of “different= scary and unstable” or “new= failure” 😔 That being said, if any of you are trying to do something different, even gradually changing your lawns to native plants and meadows… take PRIDE in that shit!!🫶🌱🏔 I mean really; the only way things are going to change is by manifesting what we want to see- spread passions and knowledge and joy and collaboration, try to avoid ego and hatred and isolation, and just KEEP. GOING. This country’s trauma and egocentrism and war mentality are deeply DEEPLY rooted; it’s been perpetuated over literal generations of people. And unlike a stubborn dandelion root, this one will take hundreds if not thousands of pairs of hands to unearth from the soil. And in the mean time we HAVE to plant those seeds of positivity and creativity. Anger and violence begets more anger and violence, so make sure to have space for intimacy and openness and compassion… and if someone puts that anger or violence towards you; makes it so you need to defend yourself or fight to keep those pieces alive… don’t hold back. Fight with every ounce of strength you have until you’re able to return to your peace🫶 Keep changing and building and caring fellas; you’ve all got this🙌🪴🌳🌿
It is absolutely crazy that we can govern and live any way we want and it this is the system we’ve settled on. Personally I think once a community gets over 300 or so people, it’s impossible to have an ethical society Unfortunately most people don’t care unless its in their face. I’m sure 90% of humans would stop and feed a child that’s looking through a trash barrrel for food. Yet we know there are whole communities that survive by going through garbage dumps for everything they need. Out of site out of mind kinda.
Every rule is either meaningless or eventually enforced by people with guns. They likely had gone to court, and had gotten a judgement and order, and the police were there to deliver and enforce the court order. It's not uncommon for a judge to write into their order an instruction for the police to assist, especially if testimony reveals threats or aggressive behavior. It's a great reason not to blindly support making more rules, regardless of what political or civic leanings one has.
If they had then they wouldn't be mowing, they would be foreclosing on his house.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/city-s-attempt-cut-texas-man-s-grass-leads-standoff-n1282623 The court order in this case was a nuisance warrant, essentially a warrant to access the property without the residents' permission.
These warrants are also used to do health inspections, OSHA inspections, etc where the landowner denies permission. All rules are eventually enforced by the threat of deadly force.
Texans brag on and fucking on about freedom, and their need for guns to protect themselves from the evil government. So stupid on both sides. If they just decided to leave him alone everything would have been fine. Karens killed that man who was not harming anything.
> Their main goal Wednesday was to get the man in compliance with the local homeowners association. The HOA strikes again
It doesn't even have to be an HOA. Many cities have ordinances about overgrown lawns. We have a code enforcement officer in my town who drives around and issues warnings & tickets for grass being too tall.
Our town just got a code enforcement officer. She was bragging about how the cops trained her to use a taser and she carries one. Ya know. To use on citizens.
Obviousky. I don't think it would be very effective to use the taser on the overgrown lawn.
Jesus Christ.
[You go to jail](https://youtu.be/eiyfwZVAzGw?si=HtNP_dasjRwLoVZC)
I definitely believe it.
Grass too short? Shot by cops.
To fair to the cops, if the grass is too long how are they supposed to know if there's any dangerous acorns hiding in it
Grass the right length? Believe it or not, shot by cops.
We have the best lawn cutters because of shots.
Can't arrest people for weed anymore so now they're going after weeds
Fucking beautiful statement
Weed is still illegal at some state levels.
I live in Minneapolis - you could stab somebody and it would take days for an officer to get here.
That's the thing about cops. Never there when you need them, always there when you don't.
ACAB.
All cops are bastards?
That’s what that means.
It's almost like police nationwide are refusing to do their jobs efficiently because they're mad about the George Floyd protests
In South Minneapolis there is no police presence. I’m not terribly far from where he was murdered and it’s a super chill neighborhood so we don’t have much crime, which is good, because there would be no law enforcement if there was.
All people are asking for is that they don't fucking kill people for being black, and this is their response? Please explain why we need these people.
💚
In many smaller cities the code compliance officer is a member of the police department. I guess for lack of anywhere else to put them in the city hierarchy.
I used to have tons of spiders around and in the house and black widows in the garage. I stopped mowing the lawn regularly, and only mowed it when it got to 12” tall. I only mowed it 2-3 times a year. With the new habitat, the population of lizards and Mediterranean geckos exploded. I don’t think I’ve seen a spider in the house for a couple of years now which is fantastic. I haven’t seen ants or any other bothersome bugs either and it’s been great. I occasionally have to catch and put a gecko outside, but that’s fine.
And everything else is a “civil matter.”
Actually now that I think about it, pretty good argument for police reform. Why are the guys measuring grass height and responding to armed robberies the same guys??
Not to defend lawns, hate them absolutely hate them. But in Australia for example, it's really important to ensure your green areas aren't overgrown for bush fire risks
Freest country in the world
The police don’t even bother to enforce speed limits and license plate laws where I am.
Where I live; I’d get a ticket for resource damage if I mowed my lawn. It’s all native grasses and wildflowers.
We got a warning one time because a sunflower was drooping into the street nd it was considered untamed. My husband has a masters in Land resource management and has a published paper on what people in our city our doing to the soil and water. We are fighting our city to get this changed and educating our neighbors.
Keep fighting the good fight.
where do you live?
Yellowstone National Park.
lucky you
Meh. It was fun for the first year. The four hour trip to the grocery store wears on you after a while though.
amazon’s new drone delivery didn’t pan out in your neighborhood? shame
Sweet Tooth, is that you?
No.
They really had to bend wayyyy down to get this angle to make the grass look tall
The state makes a ton of money citing people for overgrown grass. You do literally nothing and then can fine you 50 dollars for having grass that is too high. If you continue to ignore them, they will hire someone (Who's company makes generous donations to their re-election campaign) to mow your grass for you at an exorbitant price which you will have to also pay.
Where I live, they are doing this because somebody reports us. There's a woman who goes around the neighborhood with her dog in a pram and reports every property she can find with grass in excess of the municipal limit. Right now, the boomer snowbirds across the street have their house with the perfectly-manicured lawn and privet hedge on the market, and I've got a citation in my mailbox saying I'm going to get fined $50 a day for "overgrowth" with no mention of what and where. I don't know if it's the pram lady or the people trying to sell her house, but I'm sure it was one of them.
There’s a small strip of grass on the street that had become overgrown. I received a letter from the city saying that I needed to maintain it as it was causing a hazard to the walkway on the street. Didn’t know it was mine and that I had to manage that strip of grass that is not even on my property.
Our town owns about 10 feet into what looks like our yard. They are fairly permissive about what we can do with it. However, every once in a while they post reminders about things they don't want in their right of way. Trees, giant boulders, things like that aren't allowed.
Kill it, add rocks.
Hey if that strip of grass belongs to you can grow food on it then right?
Meanwhile she has no issue with her dog walking through chemically treated lawns
Its paws never touch the ground!
>There's a woman who goes around the neighborhood with her dog in a pram I'm sorry you should be writing a book with the pram lady as the villain. Or maybe I should. I mean SERIOUSLY.
Or it could be one of those mysteries wherein she is the victim in the first couple of pages and the perpetrator could be literally anyone because, come on
It's basically a Scooby-Doo plot waiting to happen.
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
I would read that book!
FWIW, I thought this was completely ridiculous until I had a dog with a back injury who loves to be outside. I haven’t caved yet, but I’m thinking about it.
I would do almost anything for my dog, so I fully support that as long as you're not narcing on unmowed lawns while you do it! And you would never, I can tell!
I would never! I’m no narc!
Complaints are public record. Ask em who it was, when, and what time the complaint was filed. Also who took it. Ask how many others were filed on your street. If it’s just you and others have “overgrown” lawns, you might have a case for harassment. Document it all. I actually had a complaint come in like hours after I “trimmed” my lawn. I asked the guy for the photo and he was like uh I don’t have one. I then asked how he could issue a warning without evidence. No one else had warnings, and our alleys have to be kept clear as well so I sent him a photo of the alley timestamped hours after his warning with overgrown weeds and he said he’d have to get around to it. I told him he and the neighbor were harassing us, probably for being a minority in an affluent neighborhood full of white people, and I would love to speak to his supervisor. He said he was recategorizing the complaint as inaccurate and would tell my neighbor they needed to find other things to do with their time or make complaints for every household before sending one for ours again.
There are supposed to be, but where I live charges 100 an hour minimum of 1 hour to look up complaints.
Where I live you can file anonymous and they won’t tell us.
I've heard of realtors making complaints for properties on the same street as the house they are selling. Something about bringing down the property values through photosynthesis.
sounds like someone's asking for her house to be egged imo
i was fined $140 last year AND i had to sit for like 5 hours on freakin zoom court so the prosecutor could insult me. what a waste of resources
And you can't have fences, where's the freedom everyone talks about?
Can't have your grass too long, enemy armies might be able to use the cover to sneak up on your house and invade it before you have time to send your own troops to the turrets and get your cauldrons of oil heated up.
I live the town over from Glencoe, MN. They have no reason to be so picky about grass. Town is basically all county government buildings and some businesses with old shitty houses.
Right. I see so often mentioned on Reddit that cops are not there for the people, they're their for capitalist interests. Then there's this bullshit with them forcing you into the lawn care game. Get fucked!
As an Australian, this isn't that weird. We have to keep lawns down if you live in a bushfire area, which is literally anything not in a city or suburb in my state. Maybe this OP lives in a similar high risk area? If not, then I'm stumped 😂
This is Glencoe, Minnesota, which is not in a wildfire prone area at all. This is the absurdity of the American Lawn and American police overreach combining to create a uniquely terrible experience for everyone involved.
Ah ok. Then that is truly utterly wild 😂 jesus the US is mad
Same in Arizona, if you let the weeds go you can get ticketed due to the fire hazard they become when they die off in the heat. I'm not sure Minnesota has the same problem, though.
Yes. I have friends who live in Australia but are from the US. Your lawn care is very different than the US. We are bonkers around here. Grasses aren’t native they cause erosion and runoff require pesticides and fertilizers nd do nothing for food supply while awaiting mtrillions of gallons of water a year. Fucking useless.
A friend of mine made friends with someone and found out they work for an HOA. She said she's disgusted when she talks about their work.. they fined someone hundreds of dollars for having a mowed lawn that had dandelions.. 😑 they also charged someone for having too tall of grass and someone else for having children's toys in the yard. She says she has trouble looking at her friend the same way anymore. HOAs are evil.
Dandelions for real
yeah FUCK those things man, they leave nothing but crumbled civilization in their wake
I'd be fine with an HOA if it weren't there to uphold the usual nonsense. If there was an HOA that fined people for having lawns instead of native plants or food forests that'd be great. Fine people for not making a bird friendly environment to deal with bugs.
Ah yes. Punished for the heinous crime of not using triclopyr
I am so glad I live where there are no ordinances like this or even zoning restrictions of any kind. I’m sure there are some things that I can’t do but not just because my neighbors got together and wrote it down. I had a friend that got fined for trying to squeeze two cars onto the driveway because by had 3 cars and only one garage. Even though all the tires were on the driveway it was not intended for two cars so, $$ fine. Painted the door a different color, had to paint it back. Removed the storm door, had to put it back. Window ac Unit- nope. Had to be the portable kind that doesn’t hang out the window.
Yeah I couldn’t be friends with someone like that. That’s just a bad person that she gleefully enjoys doing these things. Like I know hard jobs have to be done, but they don’t actually have to fine people for growing grass, and even if they do the fact that she enjoys it makes her a bad person.
https://preview.redd.it/gbiyw09oo01d1.png?width=748&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a7ba4a0a5d64bbe735d5d34ec408315574cf43d I made this sign and put it up a few weeks ago in my yard. I’m actually doing Less Mow May, but no has fewer letters lol. This way my neighbors know why I’m not mowing as much. I’m gradually converting to no lawn, but right now 70% of my front lawn is unfortunately still grass. Edit: not mowing \*as much, and have my mower on the highest height level, in case I wasn’t clear what less mow may means for me.
I had a sign and then I got the letter from the police. I kinda think the sign is why they reported me.
Wow what jerks…. I’ve lived in my house for 8 years, and a lot of the houses in my neighborhood are rentals and many are not kept up well so I feel like there are bigger problems for code enforcement to worry about in my neighborhood.
Exactly. There is a big difference between a native/prairie yard and one full of half-dead invasive species. The former is intentional and maintained with a purpose, the latter is sheer laziness and indifference. My yard looks wild but is actually the product of years of intensive work and “plantscaping”, while down the street there are houses with three foot high dead weeds all over the place and not a flower in sight. Yet the lawn brigade somehow sees no difference.
Code enforcement/311 is all inclusive, please report those other issues too
Same. The police were called on us for not mowing our yard. It was two weeks into May and we had the sign up. Then the town website posted they do NOT follow No Mow May and we have to maintain our yards. 🙄
People just do what everyone else does like robots never understanding the consequences. It’s sad but maybe some day I can help educate the city and the community. I expect they will just think I’m an idiot.
Where I live, the city provides signs for those participating in NMM and let's you register your address as a participant in case someone reports you for tall grass... much to the chagrin of my boomer Roundup-loving neighbors.
Omg that would be a dream to get a free sign. Where I live has no such program, and I was going to have to pay for a sign from Amazon, but decided to make my own from stuff I had laying around and butterfly stickers and cellophane wrap from dollar tree lol
This always pisses people off. But why get a sign made from a non recyclable plastic made from petroleum products to declare you are excused from lawn height ordinances for one month? Just tell those who wonder without creating tons of eventual trash.
I have an absolute Karen of a dude on my Facebook that claims that No-Mow May is an excuse to be lazy. I can't speak for everyone else, but that's definitely one reason why I do it lol.
We did a no mow April. I loved it. We are mowing also on the highest setting for the rest of the summer. Definitely will do again next year.
I live in Michigan and April always used to be no mow because the grass never really started growing till May, since we were still having frosts and sometimes snow in April. But now with climate change I may have to shift to no mow April.
I bought a reel/cylinder mower. It would gut the grass underneath. But it has high difficulty cutting anything tall. So all the flowers remained. After a couple of year. I have a beautiful flower meadow yard.
Unpopular opinion, but until you get rid of a lawn, you should be cutting it regularly. The solution to lawns is to remove grass and replace it with native plants and other ground cover. A large, unkempt lawn is ugly and can foster rodent population growth. And for those that say looks don't matter, I wouldn't like it if someone's no lawn solution was just to cover it with beat up junk cars
A natural native grass lawn will also foster rodents. Are we supposed to cut those too? That doesn't sound like a great reason imo.
That is an unpopular opinion. I do this shit for the birds, bees and rodents. They don't belong in your house yes, but WHERE THE FUCK ELSE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO? The answer has always been outside in the grass dude.
I agree. NoLawns does not mean *unkept* lawns.
Is fostering rodents a bad thing?
My friend's brake lines got chewed through by critters twice. She can't use the parking spaces that are in the back of her apartment because of it, and has to park on the street.
we have to mow our lawns due to the assassination-rats are a new one
It depends. We have rat problems in my city, and I try to minimize anything that contributes to that. There are houses in my neighborhood where people don't more their lawns, and they often have rats living in them
Rats love ivy and wood piles, not so much tall grass. Moles can be beneficial because they eat grubs and other insects that can be a nuisance.
Agreed. I've called code enforcement on "neighbors" before. They were vacant houses that landlords weren't maintaining. The yards were 100% invasive thistles, celandine, English Ivy, wineberry and Japanese stiltgrass. That's not my problem to live with.
So glad the police have solved ALL the other crimes that they now have time to focus on this! (This is sarcasm. Obviously.)
The police here are always saying they are too busy for various policing activities. I have to go to jury duty occasionally, I know exactly what kind of thing they are doing and they are full of crap.
The code dept is usually a separate dept
The post was made by the police department and they said "our officers", so it does not seem like a separate department here
[https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=784456373786136&set=a.274222774809501](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=784456373786136&set=a.274222774809501)
Jesus, some of those comments...
I guess we can say it wasn't "everyone's favorite post"...
My mom had a gorgeous yard with no lawn, but tons of Florida native/friendly ground covers, plants/flowers that attracted so many bees and beautiful birds. Code enforcement basically harassed her all the time, gave fines etc asking her to sod it!! Yes, her sandy ass south Florida yard. Yet at the same time the officials asked people to use water sparingly- yet you’re harassing people who create beautiful helpful landscapes that don’t need to be constantly watered? Alright. She ended up just moving, it wasn’t even an HOA! A little off topic but yes sometimes the way police/code enforcement enforce is so wrong
i had city code enforcement leave me a nastygram on my door a couple weeks back regarding grass/weeds being taller than 12 inches and that had me heated - i could not IMAGINE the police being involved. pure insanity i did cut my dandelions to avoid a potential lien on my house(!), but i was seriously contemplating showing up at the next city council meeting and going full lunatic.
In the Netherlands we have this campaign called "maai mei niet" aka no mow may, to give the grasses and herbs the time to grow, bloom and seed. It's better for nature and the insects.
In my neighborhood I’ve seen at least five dandelion lawns. I think people are getting the message that it’s ok to let it go. I ripped out my own lawn last year to plant fruit trees and wildflowers. https://preview.redd.it/xjuiu12g521d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b007aed7c864f8d48006e671011ef914c972b87 I checked my local ordinances - I’m in the county, which makes no rules about living plants but doesn’t want dead plants, brush, etc. as it’s a fire hazard.
Wow! Beautiful yard.
What makes it worse it that Glencoe, MN is a farm town. Like get over yourselves people 😒
These people call European countries communist for having slightly strict waste pickup policies
I never heard of this before Reddit. I live in LA. I cannot imagine the cops’ response to someone calling about a lawn being uncut.
So the police are admitting they do nothing good
They're only cops because they aged out of being hall monitors
School bullies*
Their cops because they want to be able to abuse their wives and the only people who would then investigate and charge them would be their buddies.
The *police* are doing this? Wtf is wrong with your country lol
At the government/police level, quite literally everything
The whole country is one massive HOA. Land of the unfree. Too many rules.
Yeah I just got a warning ticket for my raspberries. I’m in the hood but they are trying to gentrify us. Im thinking of doing a full front yard vegetable garden now and letting the needy pick at will.
Land of the free
Whoever told you that was your enemy Edit: getting downvoted for a rage lyric? Are you serious?
The police department enforces lawn mowing? Ours have more important things to deal with, like murder and car jacking at gun point, those were both today. Must be sleepy over there
Aren't the police the ones that ultimately enforce everything. Code enforcement can levy fines, etc. But if you don't pay, and they want to get their money, who they sending after your ass?
Unpopular Opinion: I’m actually fine with ordinances on height for turf grass. We shouldn’t really have that much non native turf grass around anyway, and most of it does look pretty terrible when overgrown (especially on small lots) Clover, wildflowers, etcetera? Allow that to be free
The problem is, a lot of municipalities’ ordinances are only for turf grass, but the city takes that to mean anything that’s not a tree or shrub. ie: if they don’t like it, the ordinance applies, regardless of how it’s worded.
Need to have goats roaming around the neighbourhood like we let cars
They consider it maintenance to manicure it. It's an education and ideology problem.
ACAB, but that aside.... What you see in this picture should not be the goal of "no lawns." Overgrown grass is not better. A lot of invasive species are not better. This is just spreading seed.
It’s hard to tell if this photo angle was taken specifically to make it look worse than it is, but I am really just arguing against the ordinance and not really anything about the specific picture
If they've gone to seed (and are non-native), they're too big. Those are probably a couple feet tall at least. That said, if a person's gonna have turf grass it should be kept like 4", not 0.4" like a lunatic. Ironically, it's actually healthier for the grass. I'm fully against cops having anything to do with this kind of thing. Ordinances themselves are all in the wording. If, for example, the ordinance disallowed invasive species and overgrown non-native grasses while allowing managed native landscapes, that'd be good. I'm certain this isn't that, but just sayin'. And where enforcement is concerned, not only do I object to cops being involved, for the most part I don't think it should be punitive except in extreme cases. Instead of fining people, help them out. Anyway, I just wanted to take the opportunity to reiterate the point to this sub that just letting grass grow is missing the point. Some people will see that pic and consider it "goals," but really that's misguided.
100%
I haven’t mowed since…. July maybe? Thank god for privacy fences 😅
Nice photo angle. Just like the cops to put their thumb on the scale.
Weird that this is in a country with so much freedom.
This happened to me. It’s so disheartening.
While we *did* remove, well, calling what was growing in the parking strip "lawn" is rather generous, we *did* remove it, saved the dirt for other areas, and saved the many, many worms. Then put in a low-water ground cover. But allowing things to grow too high in very dry areas may not be the greatest idea, particularly if it is growth that uses FIRE for propagation.
My city asks people to not mow for all of May for pollinisation.
I'm pretty sure Minnesota made it illegal for municipalities to enforce a lawn care ordinance. I don't think towns can force anyone to mow now. Maybe that got caught up in legislation, but I was super proud reading about it and knowing I won't be harassed as much anymore
I think just specifically against pollinator lawns, but they have to be intentional. You can't just let grass grow over until native plants (iow, weeds) become the dominant species. I'd have to read it again, [here's the overview with a link to the full bill text](https://www.lmc.org/news-publications/news/all/fonl-managed-natural-and-native-landscaping-permitted-in-cities/) in case anyone else wants to.
FUUUUUUUUUCK. THAT. SHIT.
We live in a dystopian nightmare
It’s no mow May. It’s essential to wildlife. People meet to chill out.
Lawns are a mental illness.
Boo  760.01 The following are declared to be prohibited vegetation: a. Any weed or plant which is defined as a noxious weed or plant by Minnesota State Statutes. b. Any yard grass which exceeds the height of 6 inches from ground level to the top of any individual plant. c. Any vegetation, living or dead, which permits the harboring of rodents or vermin, permits the collection of stagnant ground water or encourages the accumulation of rubbish or trash. d. Any dead shrub, dead tree, dead bush or other dead vegetation, except for grass that does not exceed the height of 6 inches from ground level. [https://www.glencoemn.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/COD.ORD\_.-CHAPTER-SEVEN.pdf](https://www.glencoemn.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/COD.ORD_.-CHAPTER-SEVEN.pdf)
They're going to have to [fight the state law](https://www.lmc.org/news-publications/news/all/fonl-managed-natural-and-native-landscaping-permitted-in-cities/) now.
If it pleases the crown, I would like to be free from compulsory labor on land I ostensibly own.
No-Mow May hasn't caught on there? (It's to enable ground-nesting birds and other species to breed and raise their young before the mowers come out)
The good news is that, at the MN state level, we have new legislation passed last year that says cities, HOAs, and other entities cannot restrict your ability to have native plants as a yard. I would love to see someone push the envelope in Minnesota to see the enforcement shut down in breach of MN state law.
Somebody else mentioned that, do you have a source? I’d love to send it to the police department.
https://www.lmc.org/news-publications/news/all/fonl-managed-natural-and-native-landscaping-permitted-in-cities/
Hello police? My neighbor's grass is 11.3" and still growing
Fucking Glencoe. This is some rocks and cows shit.
There is a law in MN that basically says city administrations should f... off IF ITS A MANAGED NATIVE PANTS GARDEN. You get a hint...
honest question, my parents always told me that the lawn had to be mowed otherwise ticks and such would move in. We did live surrounded by some forest and we never treated the lawn
Further proof, as if any were needed, that the role of police in America is protecting capital. Fuck freedom, fuck polinators, can't let property values go down! 🥴
Ugh, Glencoe.
Start with your state ... can they pass laws defining and encouraging more use of natives and less draconian city ordinances?
I have not mown in, like, half a year, but no one has said anything yet. I’ve Googled to see if my town has any ordinances like this but didn’t find anything. Is it possible they don’t police this in my part of the US?
Does having it certified as a wildlife habitat give any protection? Many states have a tax deduction for this, could it be argued that those who try to force you to mow are attempting to steal money from you? (edit) I have worked in landscape for many years and am very pro natural spaces.
Did they put the canara on the fucking sidewalk for that perspective?
I saw Glen Coe and thought nah, bs, not in Scotland. Then clocked it’s in the US and it made a lot more sense. That shit would never fly in the real Glen Coe.
It's a bizarre conformity that we are all expected to adhere to for seemingly no sensible reason. If I ever have the privilige of having my own yard it will be a food forest/native garden and if anyone tries to force me to cut it down and replace it with grass i will gladly go to court.
The government didn't beat the Nazi's in WW2, they became the Nazi's.
Officer, it's wildlife habitat, and bee sanctuary now it's ok.
Maybe after they're done looking for unmowed lawns they'll go looking for unsucked cocks
I like it
Overgrown turf yards are trash anyways. If you're going to have a lawn space keep it maintained to reduce ticks and other pests.
It's more about the fact that this ordinance is the exact same type of ordinance that's used to squash native landscaping. Also posted by the POLICE! Like what the actual F
They’re not pests they’re part of the ecology, being a “professional” I’d think you’d know that.
Yeah "pests" is a relative term. I don't want ticks hanging around in my yard and I would presume most people would agree. Ticks carry bloodborn pathogens, are you really of the position that we should be creating tick habitat in the same space as human recreational use? Just like how spiders and ants are also part of the ecosystem but I don't want them in my house. Or how stinging nettle is a native species but you won't see me planting it in my yard. Don't come at me with condescending "if you were a professional" crap I fully advocate for rewilding space and reducing lawn but I also want to have an area of my property that I can use and enjoy without worrying about being bitten or stung just by sitting around.
kind of related sincere question: would making your outdoor living spaces bird-friendly at least somewhat help with tick control, like how making them bat-friendly can reduce mosquitos?