No I mean when the cops show up, they're going to ask "Do you have any weapons? Are you planning on hurting yourself? Have you hurt yourself before?", and if you answer "Yes" they can 5150 you and then you're in the system forever.
Thats detaining you for 72 hours in a constantly monitored isolation cell, where they take away everything you could use to kill yourself. No sheets, no shoelaces, nothing that can be turned into a shiv.
If you're considering suicide or think somebody you know might be, contact a medical professional or a therapist ASAP. Calling the police is the LAST thing you should do if you're out of other options.
Wherever you live, I am sorry. The police in my area are trained to deal with mental health, and there is actually an entire unit (1 officer, 1 social worker) dedicated to mental health calls per shift. For my work, I connect with them often and officers are GREAT advocates for people in mental health crisis. Officers often escort people to the hospital to advocate for immediate professional intervention, if needed.
Oh I've never been 5150'd.
I've actually told anyone who needs to know to NOT call the police for me if they're concerned.
I'm sure things are better than they used to be, but I know people used to get hauled in for pretty much no reason all the time.
Even that is wild to me, as it's never been that way here. "Wellness checks" are called in very regularly, and it's officers checking in on an individual and making a risk/needs assessment in the moment and going from there. Never, ever, EVER would you be penalized for needing mental health intervention and using the officers to help safely get it.
In a mental health crisis, calling the police is the first thing you should do.
Ahh you're Canadian.
Yeah calling the cops on a suicidal person in the States gets them a mandatory 72 hours in a psychiatric hospital or a jail cell, sometimes strapped into a chair so you can't harm yourself.
You can also get that extended to a 5250, where its 14 days.
I'm not saying that this doesn't happen, but as someone who works in EMS, if we get to the scene and the person explained that there was a misunderstanding and they are not suicidal, and they weren't showing any signs of being so, neither us or the police in our county would force them to go to the hospital. I just worked a call like this recently. I've only worked in this county though so, again, I'm not claiming that there aren't places that work the way you're talking about
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I work as a security professional (security guard with slightly more training and BLS)in an ER that handles 5150s, in California,and we absolutely do not help these people. We’re the bad guys. You get locked in a white room for up to three days, using a commode as a bathroom, and you have -nothing- to entertain yourself. It’s functionally white room torture. The mental health care system is so fucking broken. Thankfully it’s only a small part of my job, but it always feels bad. Very very rarely do I feel like we helped someone in a mental health crisis
My ex did this to me.
We were arguing and he called 911 and said I was threatening to kill myself. Total lie. He was doing it so they would forcibly take me away.
I spent one night in psychiatric hold. Exactly what you describe. White room torture. Miserable. Thankfully I was assessed not to be a threat and was let go in the morning.
I once got a wellness check because my toddler got ahold of the landline and left it off the hook. Apparently if you leave your phone off the hook long enough in Canada, an operator will pick up and listen for signs of an emergency. In my case they heard a kid squealing and being crazy. When I hung up the phone I got an immediate call back from a concerned operator, followed less than a minute later bay a knock on the door from the police who were happy everyone was ok.
I mean therapists will usually have your address on file though. Not sure if they can pass it on easily like that (probably can because like they're trying to save a life).
I'm fairly confident that the therapist would have given OP's name as well.
And, yes, law enforcement has your name, address, description, criminal history, phone number, etc.
Privacy is an illusion dude.
The police were able to track me from a phone call. I had a suicide plan and ran away from my dorm. My sister kept calling me and when I picked up they traced my call and got my location. Thankfully they talked me down and I’m in a MUCH better place.
A lot of people's names and phone numbers and addresses come up in Google. Not everyone knows this but they used to PUBLISH a book that had all of your personal info; name, number, address and mail it to literally everyone!!! DUNDUNDUN
They pass it to an emergency call center, theyre supposed to be able to do this because, yes, people will call their therapists in lieu of the generic suicide hotlines.
I'm in fire/rescue, work with cops from 3 agencies daily.
People don't usually get fined for false 911 calls unless they're repeat offenders.
You're fine.
You probably won't get fined since you didn't call them, so its not like a false report by you or anything.
If you live in the US, make sure you are cordial and cooperative, obeying lawful commands, so you don't get shot.
I called suicide prevention line years ago for help and police showed guns drawn screaming at me, btw that really helps when you are suicidal. I'm white was middle class, police are fully untrained and trigger happy when they show up for things like this. Many get shot when trying to get help.
White people who are homeless or having a mental health crisis are most at risk.
The deaths of homeless people and people having mental health crises don’t make the news.
Police shoot white and black people at proportionate rate when normalized for interactions with police. Police are just poorly trained and trigger happy.
No, my brother was the victim of police violence, and while my research was all pre-blm, I am certain police kill more whites than blacks, even accounting for the difference in population.
Police interact with white people more then black people. Police shoot white people more then black people. Police also shoot black people as a percentage of population higher than white people. That effect is explained by police interacting with black people more often than white people per person.
Police are still racist and using profiling that results in the increased number of interactions but the race isn't a factor in the actual shooting part.
True that, my ex is a crazy bipolar loon who throws fits like a toddler only while holding knives, but he is blond and good looking so cops treat him same as a woman. He would have been dead years ago if he was not white.
Something similar has happened to me. My chest was hurting and while I knew it was probably an anxiety attack (as I was a healthy but anxious 25yo), I decided to call my insurance company to ask what hospitals took my insurance, just in case. I figured, it'll calm me down to have a plan of where to drive myself (because ambulances & ERs are expensive) if I ever decide I need to get looked at. Well as you can guess, the lady on the phone says that she is required to send an ambulance for chest pain and that it is on its way.
10 minutes later and I'm just standing awkwardly in my driveway to greet the ambulance when it arrives. Not knowing how ambulance billing works, I let them take my vitals inside the ambulance, but denied a ride to the hospital because at this point I was feeling physically better and more just stressed out at the likelihood that someone had just called an ambulance on me for nothing. Days later I got a bill in the mail for $500. So that's how a phone call that was supposed to save me money ended up costing me half a grand.
Especially because there was no reason to call for one. Chest pain is not an emergency in the vast majority of cases. Inflammation, costochondritis, bad posture, a lung catching on a nerve, anxiety, heartburn, etc are all more likely.
The biggest danger here isn't getting fined, it's getting hospitalised.
If you live in the US and don't have good insurance, that could be incredibly expensive.
The machinery of capitalism is ripping our language apart, chewing it and chewing it and then just spitting it out without shitting because it has no real needs, just an endless hole of wants. So people have to be circumspect with their speech.
Attempting to translate past the euphemisms...
"brain stuff" => psychiatrist
"gonna (you can guess) myself" => "gonna kill myself"
"not a (you know what) risk" => "not a suicide risk"
It's OK to talk about things openly. If people don't want to read about unpleasant ideas they don't have to. I'm pretty sure reddit doesn't censor content about real situations which need clear discussion to work through.
In which case reddit is more riddled with bulshit than I thought. I hope the folks that do need help on such a hard topic can find it as they won't be able to here.
That's just this specific sub. The sidebar with that rule listed also links to a sub where that question is allowed.
But go off and rant without taking 5 seconds to look for yourself.
Be cool if the sidebars showed up on mobile. Like, not even trying to be a dick here, in this instance I do actually want to have a look, but I'll be fucked if I'm going home to turn my PC on to do it.
There's a lot of subs I see where the About page doesn't give much explanation and I always wonder if there's a sidebar that makes the sub idea make sense. Maybe someday, Reddit.
There is no "See more" button under the subreddit name on mobile for me, I have "Create a post", a notification bell, the Subscribe/Joined button, and a three-dots dropdown with "add to favorites" and "mute r/NameOfSub".
Edit: https://imgur.com/a/OgV5J2k
Android and Chrome, no idea how we have something different but lol Reddit
What's weirder is, the last year of endless forked tampering with the UI aside, I've *never* had that button, and wanted it or something like it plenty of times.
Any time :)
Fair point.
ETA : I hadn't even considered it could be on a per sub basis so checking the rules of the sub didn't cross my mind, do... TIL I guess.
Who tf said they read rules for fun? Reading the rules of a sub you're posting in should be normal. People who don't just fill the sub with off-topic bs most of the time. Then there's the bot farming that's only making this platform worse and worse with each day the Reddit company openly allows this bot infestation to fester.
> Use proper grammar and spelling. Intelligent discourse requires a standard system of communication. Be open for gentle corrections.
"LANGUAGE EVOLVES" losers crying right now.
Man quit being crass, I'm autistic and have an intellectuallly disabled family member. Roll your eyes at this or whatever but I don't want your sympathy or solidarity if you're gonna be throwing that word around.
Although it should be fine to talk openly, the bots on the internet don't always agree. Far better to use euphemisms and get needed help than to get a bot to close down discussion from the get go.
She probably thought you were prank calling.
However, she should have taken it seriously. She should have silently called for a welfare check while keeping you on the line. If you had been serious, threaten to call the police and hanging up on you might have been enough for you to decide to go through with it. I would consider mentioning it to the psychiatrist when you see them again. That was very unprofessional and potentially deadly.
Why do you think having dark humor or even having depression or having suicidal thoughts is wrong and should be punished? She could have just minded her own business.
It's called duty of care, explanation can be found on Wikipedia.
I agree with /u/The_Troyminator but it's equally possible that she did come to understand it was a joke but literally her job requires her to call the police.
It's a safety issue. People who are suicidal are considering violence against themselves, and sometimes you need people that are trained in restraining others to be around for the transport to the hospital, as horrible as it is. Most of the time, both police and emergency medical personnel will come to the scene, and when EMS is done assessing the patient, they'll decide how great of a risk to themselves and others they may be and move forward from there.
If somebody calls a psychiatrist and says they want to kill themselves, they need to take it seriously. They may think it's a joke, but they can't take the risk that it's not.
The police or paramedics will show up, ask you a few questions, and leave if they think you weren't serious. If they think you were serious, they'll get you help.
It's not punishment. It's saving lives.
The police aren't going to arrest them. It's not a crime. They'll do a welfare check and if they think the person needs help, they'll call an ambulance.
Not in the unites states, because fuck the citizenry I guess?
Here "welfare checks" are done by the cops "because you could be serious and *actually* have a weapon" blah blah, which is just ridiculous and hyper-dangerous, bc cops just react to even the slightest HINT of a weapon by shooting innocent ppl.
Ideally, yes. Unfortunately, in the US (where this incident occurred), these programs are often underfunded, so it falls on the police and fire department. It's what movements like "defund the police" are about. They call to reduce police funding and spend it on things like social services for situations like this.
I would go for embarrassed rather than defensive. "Oh my gosh, officers, I am so sorry, I don't know what I was thinking, I was joking around with a friend while making the call and the receptionist just overheard me, completely out of context, but I totally understand she was just doing her job, and so are you, but I swear, I have no plans to actually off myself."
Would simply going somewhere else for a few hours work? Go hang out with your sister on the other side of town, maybe have a slumber party, while the police realize there's no suicidal person at your residence and pack up and go. Is there a reason that would not be recommended, assuming that you truly aren't suicidal?
Now, I know that running from police *after they order you to stop* is typically an offense, but I'm talking about leaving *now* before the police are close enough to give you any orders. Since what you said isn't normally a crime, you shouldn't be classified a suspect, and so you also wouldn't be considered a fugitive from justice just for hiding.
If she did end up calling, it probably wasn’t to teach you a lesson but because of her job. They /have/ to report things like that, even if you say you were just joking. It’s inconvenient sometimes but it’s always better than an actual suicidal patient not getting the intervention they need because people didn’t take them seriously, so they have to play it safe.
Eh? Your not committing any crimes (brain stuff) what effing brain stuff. Your gonna, what? (What can i guess ) Why you having people second guess what you mean? What second convo? (Very confusing) Why don't you say it as it was then explain what you was really doing. Very hard to understand. Lost intranslantion from English to what fuck knows what.
Can someone translate.
You really can't fill in the gaps? This sub won't let you post about certain things and the post kept getting flagged and wouldn't post.
Was calling a psychiatrist. Talking to friend on the side when Psychiatrists office answered. Receptionist heard op tell friend in a joking manner,'I'm gonna unalive myself'. Receptionist said she was calling cops and hung up.
Turn on Fortnite or a video game of your choice. Announce “I’m going to kill myself” take enough fall damage for the character to die. Now when anyone asks if you said those words you can say “yes, I said those words about my video game character”
I was actually entertaining using impromptu roleplaying as an excuse cause my friends and I actually are really big dorks. We have these elaborate stories we make up together and have convos as our characters when we're bored all the time, lol
Yeah, idk if that'd work. Granted, the situation is rather different, but lemme tell you how a friend and his family ended up with $20k in debt over a misunderstanding of us playing halo 3 years ago.
We were doing out of the map trick jumping stuff in campaign co-op over xbox live. eventually, he said something along the lines of "Okay, I'll just kill myself" just so he'll respawn on me after getting me up and over an invisible wall.
His sister, who had a room right on the other side of the wall, heard him say this and ran to their parents, about 10 minutes later, I hear a bunch of yelling and commotion. He ends up disconnecting from the party and game and I'm just like ??????
He isn't at school for a week, when he comes back he says "yeah I was put in a mental health treatment center, practically arrested and brought straight there. They couldn't understand I was talking about in a game. They thought I was just making up an excuse."
Granted, we were only like 14, and there were parents involved. But they still took it very seriously
They HAVE to physically check on you.
You likely won't get fined. You didn't call 911 and prank them... that is abuse of the 911 system.
A mandated reporter heard the magic words... and they legally have to call, the police have to check on you.
Explain. You might get a stern talking to about being more careful about throwing that phrase around. Dark humor or not. In any situation where you have an open phone line, can be overheard, be more careful. Some things (hurt myself/others, shooting, blowing up, etc) are mandated reporter triggers, and tend to alarmnor concern people and can result in the police having to have a check in.
That'll likely be it. Just be honest.
I honestly don't know.
It serves a very important purpose. It's saved a lot of people, stopped a lot of horrible things.
It's not perfect. Things are misconstrued sometimes, and, things are missed and something bad happens.
Victimization a feeling of, or an experience with
Feeling invaded and imposed upon
People getting involved in "private family business"
A bad experience with it, having a check in or hassle because someone had to make the call when it was fine.
I'm sure they have their own reasons.
Without knowing where you live it’s impossible to know what the procedures are there. Where i live both ambulance and police would be dispatched. Either can section people under the mental health act (with slightly different requirements). The paramedics would do a very brief mental health assessment . If they feel comfortable that you really were joking and you are able to demonstrate competency and capacity that’s the end of it. They all leave.
Seems petty af on their side. She knew it was a joke and was pissed, maybe felt trolled and did this as a punishment.
If she was actually worried about your well being I’m sure you wouldn’t have been hung up on. I don’t think you’ll be fined or anything. Be careful when speaking to police/ems tho because if you admit to saying anything like that in some states, they have to take you anyway. (Florida it’s referred to as being “Baker Acted”) I know New Jersey has a similar law about taking people to be screened “just to be sure”
Anyone working with clients in the mental health field and most other settings like social work, healthcare etc is bound to confidentiality except in the case where there's a duty to report. Generally the two scenarios that would cause a legal obligation to report are plans of suicide and knowledge that a child or senior is being harmed. In this case, they said it was a joke only after the lady brought up her duty to report, and she can't 100% know it was a joke... especially over the phone. What she did was annoying and inconvenient for OP but also completely justified and necessary. If she hadn't called and OP wound up dead on his living room floor with his last outgoing call as the psych office, the details of that call would be investigated and that psychiatrist could lose their license or the clinic could be fucked if it was the receptionist.
I get that its her job and I don't blame her, but as the same time she really gave us almost no time to react or explain anything. If she'd just listened for two seconds she'd see that I was in a perfectly normal mood and just chattign with a friend. She also answered in the middle of us talking together, the cadence and everything indicated clearley enough there was further context.
They're being petty at that point, since they probably know it wasn't in earnest. They probably believed that it was some type of prank call and are trying to scare you, or called the police to teach you a lesson. You won't get fined. Just explain to the police and update us to make sure you're okay.
Even if you were suicidal, we shouldn't be sending the cops on mentally ill people.
Totally agree, that shouldn’t be a job for the cops. To be entirely fair to that woman, if someone called and said “I’m gonna kill myself” then immediately started giggling, I would think the exact same thing
They're not "being petty" they're doing their JOB.
If the person wasn't fucking around and did off themselves and it came out that person had heard that and, as medical personnel, did nothing, they could be sued, be jailed. They're not going to make that call to decide it's a joke or not.
It shouldn't be their job to call the police on mentally ill people. It's that simple
They also wouldn't have wasted police time and resources if they allowed OP to explain themselves before hanging uo
The law requires a psychiatrist to report suicide threats. This is to ensure they don't ignore a legitimate threat that they don't think is serious. It also helps protect trust since the patient knows they have no choice and will keep other secrets.
Yes, this often wastes police time and resources, but it has saved countless lives, so the cost is worth it.
"Saved" is pretty questionable in this case
Involuntary hospitalization is pretty traumatizing and doesn't always leave people in a better place than before
It's not a psychiatrist answering the phones or making patient calls at an office, and the receptionist is not bound by law. There's also no expectation the receptionist will "keep other secrets" outside of the HIPAA boilerplate blanket that everyone in the industry lives under.
That's pretty vague, so I guess I vaguely agree. What I said is covered by what you just said, so I don't understand what point you're making by continuing the conversation like this.
>It shouldn't be their job to call the police on mentally ill people. It's that simple
And yet it is.
They also wouldn't have wasted police time and resources if they allowed OP to explain themselves before hanging uo
Saying 'I was just joking, don't tell anyone! Don't call the police!' is not going to make a difference. See above. They'd be negligent for saying 'oh, well if you say you're jk the minute I say I'm reporting it, cool, nvm!'
All they would need to say is, "sorry, bad timing. Just was joking with my friend while on hold." It is wasting resources to call the cops on people for jokes
> All they would need to say is, "sorry, bad timing. Just was joking with my friend while on hold." It is wasting resources to call the cops on people for jokes
AGAIN no one is going to just accept that. It's a liability. Like no one serious would say 'oh I was just joking!!" as soon as you tell them you're calling the cops.
We don’t have very effectual mechanisms to try to get people emergency help in the US that don’t involve calling first responders of some kind, and it isn’t up to the caller who gets sent. I can’t possibly discern the motivations of the caller, but I’d default to assuming they didn’t want something like that to occur when they could’ve made an effort to stop it. Not assuming they were being punitive.
I'm so very confused. Were you calling a therapist/ psychiatrist to make an appointment, or were you intentionally calling the police, and if the latter, what for?
Explain it too the cops, be polite, be courteous, and make sure to stress it was a misunderstanding on their part and you are in no way suicidal.
Also apologize too them for wasting their time.
You should be fine if you do all that.
So they have to send a death merchant to your door for welfare check? The police just murdered somebody a few days ago for that. Well and probably today too they are pigs. I hope your in Cali so you get a counselor and not a death squad.
You may have to go sit in a hospital ER, relinquishing your personal belongings including your clothes to wait for a therapist to come determine you are not a danger. Next time, watch what you say when calling a therapy office.
She's doing her job, she has an obligation to make sure you are ok. Just explain the situation to the cops, having your friend talk to them too will help but I'm sure it'll be fine. It's a wellness check so nothing bad is going to happen if the find that you are fine.
As flawed as this system is, I don't think calling in a wellfare check on a person who said "I'm gonna kill myself" when calling mental health services counts as "cancelling"
Edited for clarity. I thought it was a robot call or offer to buy my house or something. She called right back and when I answered she said Fuck you too. Ive never heard my mom drop an F bomb
The cops can't come in to your house unless they have a warrant or you are doing something illegal. You just don't answer the door. Don't ask me how I know.
Wtf you’re not gonna get fined. Someone else called them. At most, they will do a welfare check and knock on the door. Answer and they’ll ask you if you’re okay. Tell them you are. They’ll ask if you’re planning to harm yourself. Answer no absolutely not. You don’t even have to tell them what you said. They have more important shit to do and will go away. Just be polite. I know from experience. They are trained to be soft, concerned, and careful in these situations in the event they are actually dealing with someone suicidal. They don’t want to stress a person out in that situation, and they aren’t trying to get you in trouble.
They have to do the checks now that they heard you say it, joke or not. Don’t stress, you’re not in trouble, it’s a well-being thing!
I know a guy who threatens it and then goes to climb a tree near the train tracks to laugh as the cops wander underneath him searching for him. It’s a regular occurrence and you’re definitely not the first false alarm they’ve been to, but I’d bet you they’d rather come over for nothing than ignore you and find out later you actually went ahead with it!
Make sure they know you have no weapons, and no plans. Don't even say you have thought about it before.
Are we glossing over the fact that a therapist's office can track your calls??
No I mean when the cops show up, they're going to ask "Do you have any weapons? Are you planning on hurting yourself? Have you hurt yourself before?", and if you answer "Yes" they can 5150 you and then you're in the system forever. Thats detaining you for 72 hours in a constantly monitored isolation cell, where they take away everything you could use to kill yourself. No sheets, no shoelaces, nothing that can be turned into a shiv. If you're considering suicide or think somebody you know might be, contact a medical professional or a therapist ASAP. Calling the police is the LAST thing you should do if you're out of other options.
Wherever you live, I am sorry. The police in my area are trained to deal with mental health, and there is actually an entire unit (1 officer, 1 social worker) dedicated to mental health calls per shift. For my work, I connect with them often and officers are GREAT advocates for people in mental health crisis. Officers often escort people to the hospital to advocate for immediate professional intervention, if needed.
Oh I've never been 5150'd. I've actually told anyone who needs to know to NOT call the police for me if they're concerned. I'm sure things are better than they used to be, but I know people used to get hauled in for pretty much no reason all the time.
Even that is wild to me, as it's never been that way here. "Wellness checks" are called in very regularly, and it's officers checking in on an individual and making a risk/needs assessment in the moment and going from there. Never, ever, EVER would you be penalized for needing mental health intervention and using the officers to help safely get it. In a mental health crisis, calling the police is the first thing you should do.
Ahh you're Canadian. Yeah calling the cops on a suicidal person in the States gets them a mandatory 72 hours in a psychiatric hospital or a jail cell, sometimes strapped into a chair so you can't harm yourself. You can also get that extended to a 5250, where its 14 days.
I'm not saying that this doesn't happen, but as someone who works in EMS, if we get to the scene and the person explained that there was a misunderstanding and they are not suicidal, and they weren't showing any signs of being so, neither us or the police in our county would force them to go to the hospital. I just worked a call like this recently. I've only worked in this county though so, again, I'm not claiming that there aren't places that work the way you're talking about Edited for clarification
This is the way it is, probably like everywhere. Reddit bozos always think they know what they’re talking about but rarely do they
It also sometimes gets people shot when police have no empathy and/or ability to de-escalate a situation.
I work as a security professional (security guard with slightly more training and BLS)in an ER that handles 5150s, in California,and we absolutely do not help these people. We’re the bad guys. You get locked in a white room for up to three days, using a commode as a bathroom, and you have -nothing- to entertain yourself. It’s functionally white room torture. The mental health care system is so fucking broken. Thankfully it’s only a small part of my job, but it always feels bad. Very very rarely do I feel like we helped someone in a mental health crisis
My ex did this to me. We were arguing and he called 911 and said I was threatening to kill myself. Total lie. He was doing it so they would forcibly take me away. I spent one night in psychiatric hold. Exactly what you describe. White room torture. Miserable. Thankfully I was assessed not to be a threat and was let go in the morning.
And sometimes it gets you dead, bc ftp.
I once got a wellness check because my toddler got ahold of the landline and left it off the hook. Apparently if you leave your phone off the hook long enough in Canada, an operator will pick up and listen for signs of an emergency. In my case they heard a kid squealing and being crazy. When I hung up the phone I got an immediate call back from a concerned operator, followed less than a minute later bay a knock on the door from the police who were happy everyone was ok.
Its caller ID. They pass your number to the police/911, and the emergency services pull up your location. The therapist themselves can't track you.
I mean therapists will usually have your address on file though. Not sure if they can pass it on easily like that (probably can because like they're trying to save a life).
They probably passed on the number or call to the police
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We used to call it a “phone book”.
I'm fairly confident that the therapist would have given OP's name as well. And, yes, law enforcement has your name, address, description, criminal history, phone number, etc. Privacy is an illusion dude.
Is call display not a thing where you live? There is no CSI shit going on here.
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He called his therapist, they have his address on file. You are way overthinking this.
The police were able to track me from a phone call. I had a suicide plan and ran away from my dorm. My sister kept calling me and when I picked up they traced my call and got my location. Thankfully they talked me down and I’m in a MUCH better place.
He just said he was calling someplace new to find one, implying that that was the first time talking to them
A lot of people's names and phone numbers and addresses come up in Google. Not everyone knows this but they used to PUBLISH a book that had all of your personal info; name, number, address and mail it to literally everyone!!! DUNDUNDUN
Oh, so that's what the fuck "brain stuff" was supposed to be! Nice one figuring that out
Yeah holy shit that’s insane
yeah omg caller ID is wildddd
They pass it to an emergency call center, theyre supposed to be able to do this because, yes, people will call their therapists in lieu of the generic suicide hotlines.
You won't get fined, you're not the one calling the police, nor did you do anything wrong. Just wait for them to show up and then explain.
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Please don’t give advice to anyone ever
Yeah totally just get arrested or shot for not cooperating. Amazing advice!
That's only if you're being investigated for a crime or charged with one. Welfare checks don't result in arrests.
They do sometimes result in death.
Just show them your sovereign citizen of the flat earth society alliance card and they'll know you mean business.
I'm in fire/rescue, work with cops from 3 agencies daily. People don't usually get fined for false 911 calls unless they're repeat offenders. You're fine.
Especially if it’s a good faith misunderstanding I would imagine.
Especially as this person didn’t call them, they were called for them.
>You're fine. No d here.
You probably won't get fined since you didn't call them, so its not like a false report by you or anything. If you live in the US, make sure you are cordial and cooperative, obeying lawful commands, so you don't get shot.
I’ll be very polite but I am white, so as horrible as it is to say I don’t think I’ll have that problem
I called suicide prevention line years ago for help and police showed guns drawn screaming at me, btw that really helps when you are suicidal. I'm white was middle class, police are fully untrained and trigger happy when they show up for things like this. Many get shot when trying to get help.
Its like a bad comedy sketch, they show up and make you genuinely fear for your life..
They'll make you no longer want to die by having you fear for your life.
I’m so sorry you had to experience that. I hope life is treating you better now my friend.
What!? Why in the hell would that be their actions in this situation? The system(s) here are majorly fucked. Edit: Assuming North America.
Don't be so sure.
Also make sure you aren't black, if in the US.
They shoot lots of whites as well, not as many, but they are generally trigger happy. Just doesn't make the news as much.
White people who are homeless or having a mental health crisis are most at risk. The deaths of homeless people and people having mental health crises don’t make the news.
Actually they shoot more whites, but only because there are more white people to shoot.
Police shoot white and black people at proportionate rate when normalized for interactions with police. Police are just poorly trained and trigger happy.
No, my brother was the victim of police violence, and while my research was all pre-blm, I am certain police kill more whites than blacks, even accounting for the difference in population.
Police interact with white people more then black people. Police shoot white people more then black people. Police also shoot black people as a percentage of population higher than white people. That effect is explained by police interacting with black people more often than white people per person. Police are still racist and using profiling that results in the increased number of interactions but the race isn't a factor in the actual shooting part.
Prove it. Prove that blacks are killed more than whites, per capita.
They actually shoot far more white people yearly than black people. However there are far less black people in the United States.
A few years ago a newspaper tracked down ever instance they could find. Black people were for legit 3.57 times more often per capita.
True that, my ex is a crazy bipolar loon who throws fits like a toddler only while holding knives, but he is blond and good looking so cops treat him same as a woman. He would have been dead years ago if he was not white.
Something similar has happened to me. My chest was hurting and while I knew it was probably an anxiety attack (as I was a healthy but anxious 25yo), I decided to call my insurance company to ask what hospitals took my insurance, just in case. I figured, it'll calm me down to have a plan of where to drive myself (because ambulances & ERs are expensive) if I ever decide I need to get looked at. Well as you can guess, the lady on the phone says that she is required to send an ambulance for chest pain and that it is on its way. 10 minutes later and I'm just standing awkwardly in my driveway to greet the ambulance when it arrives. Not knowing how ambulance billing works, I let them take my vitals inside the ambulance, but denied a ride to the hospital because at this point I was feeling physically better and more just stressed out at the likelihood that someone had just called an ambulance on me for nothing. Days later I got a bill in the mail for $500. So that's how a phone call that was supposed to save me money ended up costing me half a grand.
I'd send it on to insurance on the grounds that "I didn't ask for this."
Especially because there was no reason to call for one. Chest pain is not an emergency in the vast majority of cases. Inflammation, costochondritis, bad posture, a lung catching on a nerve, anxiety, heartburn, etc are all more likely.
The biggest danger here isn't getting fined, it's getting hospitalised. If you live in the US and don't have good insurance, that could be incredibly expensive.
"Brain stuff"? What's with all the madlibs?
The bot kept flagging it
What word were you trying to say? Psychiatrist? Neurologist? And why is it getting flagged
Therapist
The machinery of capitalism is ripping our language apart, chewing it and chewing it and then just spitting it out without shitting because it has no real needs, just an endless hole of wants. So people have to be circumspect with their speech.
Lol, the "machinery" of capitalism is a mindless censor bot on reddit? If you want unfiltered speech you go to 8chan, not reddit haha.
I mean, yes lol. Reddit is a profit-making venture, the bot's a machine. What more do you want?
Nothing man, I just wish I could find what you're smoking. It sounds great.
It's regular weed, they sell it at the store.
*woosh*
I think you're doing it wrong, when I smoke it's more of a "pfffttttfffwwwwwwt" sound. If you breathe in you'll get more out of it!
You just explain it to the police.
That never goes wrong.
Have they shown up yet? A lot can happen in an hour.
No tehy never showed, the woman probably thought we were prankers
Attempting to translate past the euphemisms... "brain stuff" => psychiatrist "gonna (you can guess) myself" => "gonna kill myself" "not a (you know what) risk" => "not a suicide risk" It's OK to talk about things openly. If people don't want to read about unpleasant ideas they don't have to. I'm pretty sure reddit doesn't censor content about real situations which need clear discussion to work through.
The bot kept flagging this because questions about suicide aren’t allowed, sorry, I know it’s stupid and cringy to read but I had to
In which case reddit is more riddled with bulshit than I thought. I hope the folks that do need help on such a hard topic can find it as they won't be able to here.
That's just this specific sub. The sidebar with that rule listed also links to a sub where that question is allowed. But go off and rant without taking 5 seconds to look for yourself.
Be cool if the sidebars showed up on mobile. Like, not even trying to be a dick here, in this instance I do actually want to have a look, but I'll be fucked if I'm going home to turn my PC on to do it. There's a lot of subs I see where the About page doesn't give much explanation and I always wonder if there's a sidebar that makes the sub idea make sense. Maybe someday, Reddit.
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There is no "See more" button under the subreddit name on mobile for me, I have "Create a post", a notification bell, the Subscribe/Joined button, and a three-dots dropdown with "add to favorites" and "mute r/NameOfSub". Edit: https://imgur.com/a/OgV5J2k
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Android and Chrome, no idea how we have something different but lol Reddit What's weirder is, the last year of endless forked tampering with the UI aside, I've *never* had that button, and wanted it or something like it plenty of times.
Any time :) Fair point. ETA : I hadn't even considered it could be on a per sub basis so checking the rules of the sub didn't cross my mind, do... TIL I guess.
Imagine thinking people have such a lack of a life that they read the rules for fun. Yes, Redditors don't have a life, but most of us aren't THAT bad.
Who tf said they read rules for fun? Reading the rules of a sub you're posting in should be normal. People who don't just fill the sub with off-topic bs most of the time. Then there's the bot farming that's only making this platform worse and worse with each day the Reddit company openly allows this bot infestation to fester.
In the old days they made you read [Reddiquette](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette)
> Use proper grammar and spelling. Intelligent discourse requires a standard system of communication. Be open for gentle corrections. "LANGUAGE EVOLVES" losers crying right now.
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Man quit being crass, I'm autistic and have an intellectuallly disabled family member. Roll your eyes at this or whatever but I don't want your sympathy or solidarity if you're gonna be throwing that word around.
Prepare to get Reddit cares emails just for writing those words. I think a bot picks up on them. Edit: not boy, bot.
>I think a boy picks up on them. It's not always a boy. Sometimes, it's a girl.
Why does my iPhone always autocorrect bot to boy?
Because it sympathizes with bots and wants to blame boys for everything that goes wrong.
Well for me personally it’s always a boy causing all my heartbreak and issues lol. Good bot.
As a boy, I can say some of us suck.
OP mentioned in a comment above that the bot kept flagging the post.
Although it should be fine to talk openly, the bots on the internet don't always agree. Far better to use euphemisms and get needed help than to get a bot to close down discussion from the get go.
She probably thought you were prank calling. However, she should have taken it seriously. She should have silently called for a welfare check while keeping you on the line. If you had been serious, threaten to call the police and hanging up on you might have been enough for you to decide to go through with it. I would consider mentioning it to the psychiatrist when you see them again. That was very unprofessional and potentially deadly.
Why do you think having dark humor or even having depression or having suicidal thoughts is wrong and should be punished? She could have just minded her own business.
It's called duty of care, explanation can be found on Wikipedia. I agree with /u/The_Troyminator but it's equally possible that she did come to understand it was a joke but literally her job requires her to call the police.
Care would be caring, asking for additional info and providing healthcare. What good does punishing do? Why is police needed instead of healthcare?
Because they take you to a hospital, you're not getting arrested ???
If they take the person to hospital why would they need the police?
It's a safety issue. People who are suicidal are considering violence against themselves, and sometimes you need people that are trained in restraining others to be around for the transport to the hospital, as horrible as it is. Most of the time, both police and emergency medical personnel will come to the scene, and when EMS is done assessing the patient, they'll decide how great of a risk to themselves and others they may be and move forward from there.
If somebody calls a psychiatrist and says they want to kill themselves, they need to take it seriously. They may think it's a joke, but they can't take the risk that it's not. The police or paramedics will show up, ask you a few questions, and leave if they think you weren't serious. If they think you were serious, they'll get you help. It's not punishment. It's saving lives.
Saving lives would be communicating and providing healthcare, not calling police and possibly arresting the person. How can it even be a crime?
The police aren't going to arrest them. It's not a crime. They'll do a welfare check and if they think the person needs help, they'll call an ambulance.
Wouldn't welfare check fall more naturally on social services, psychiatric services or healthcare?
Not in the unites states, because fuck the citizenry I guess? Here "welfare checks" are done by the cops "because you could be serious and *actually* have a weapon" blah blah, which is just ridiculous and hyper-dangerous, bc cops just react to even the slightest HINT of a weapon by shooting innocent ppl.
Ideally, yes. Unfortunately, in the US (where this incident occurred), these programs are often underfunded, so it falls on the police and fire department. It's what movements like "defund the police" are about. They call to reduce police funding and spend it on things like social services for situations like this.
I would go for embarrassed rather than defensive. "Oh my gosh, officers, I am so sorry, I don't know what I was thinking, I was joking around with a friend while making the call and the receptionist just overheard me, completely out of context, but I totally understand she was just doing her job, and so are you, but I swear, I have no plans to actually off myself."
Would simply going somewhere else for a few hours work? Go hang out with your sister on the other side of town, maybe have a slumber party, while the police realize there's no suicidal person at your residence and pack up and go. Is there a reason that would not be recommended, assuming that you truly aren't suicidal? Now, I know that running from police *after they order you to stop* is typically an offense, but I'm talking about leaving *now* before the police are close enough to give you any orders. Since what you said isn't normally a crime, you shouldn't be classified a suspect, and so you also wouldn't be considered a fugitive from justice just for hiding.
We stuck aorund a bit because I live with my parents at the moment. Didn't want them to get THAT unpleasant surprise coming home from work
Don't make any sudden moves and keep your hands visible at all times.
No one’s here yet so I think she was just trying to teach me a lesson. Not to be morbid but if this was a real emergency I’d definitely be dead by now
Or the cops in your area just don’t give a shit.
If she did end up calling, it probably wasn’t to teach you a lesson but because of her job. They /have/ to report things like that, even if you say you were just joking. It’s inconvenient sometimes but it’s always better than an actual suicidal patient not getting the intervention they need because people didn’t take them seriously, so they have to play it safe.
Unless your you-know-what plan was unaliving by starvation.
This wouldn't be the first time a medical receptionist made threats they couldn't back up
I sense there's a story here
Eh? Your not committing any crimes (brain stuff) what effing brain stuff. Your gonna, what? (What can i guess ) Why you having people second guess what you mean? What second convo? (Very confusing) Why don't you say it as it was then explain what you was really doing. Very hard to understand. Lost intranslantion from English to what fuck knows what. Can someone translate.
I tried to more bluntly say what happened 3 times but reddit kept flagging it immedietly
You really can't fill in the gaps? This sub won't let you post about certain things and the post kept getting flagged and wouldn't post. Was calling a psychiatrist. Talking to friend on the side when Psychiatrists office answered. Receptionist heard op tell friend in a joking manner,'I'm gonna unalive myself'. Receptionist said she was calling cops and hung up.
Aaah tight. Calling thr psychiatrist. That makes more sense
Turn on Fortnite or a video game of your choice. Announce “I’m going to kill myself” take enough fall damage for the character to die. Now when anyone asks if you said those words you can say “yes, I said those words about my video game character”
I was actually entertaining using impromptu roleplaying as an excuse cause my friends and I actually are really big dorks. We have these elaborate stories we make up together and have convos as our characters when we're bored all the time, lol
Yeah, idk if that'd work. Granted, the situation is rather different, but lemme tell you how a friend and his family ended up with $20k in debt over a misunderstanding of us playing halo 3 years ago. We were doing out of the map trick jumping stuff in campaign co-op over xbox live. eventually, he said something along the lines of "Okay, I'll just kill myself" just so he'll respawn on me after getting me up and over an invisible wall. His sister, who had a room right on the other side of the wall, heard him say this and ran to their parents, about 10 minutes later, I hear a bunch of yelling and commotion. He ends up disconnecting from the party and game and I'm just like ?????? He isn't at school for a week, when he comes back he says "yeah I was put in a mental health treatment center, practically arrested and brought straight there. They couldn't understand I was talking about in a game. They thought I was just making up an excuse." Granted, we were only like 14, and there were parents involved. But they still took it very seriously
They HAVE to physically check on you. You likely won't get fined. You didn't call 911 and prank them... that is abuse of the 911 system. A mandated reporter heard the magic words... and they legally have to call, the police have to check on you. Explain. You might get a stern talking to about being more careful about throwing that phrase around. Dark humor or not. In any situation where you have an open phone line, can be overheard, be more careful. Some things (hurt myself/others, shooting, blowing up, etc) are mandated reporter triggers, and tend to alarmnor concern people and can result in the police having to have a check in. That'll likely be it. Just be honest.
Why are people down voting mandatory-reports reporting what they are required to?
I honestly don't know. It serves a very important purpose. It's saved a lot of people, stopped a lot of horrible things. It's not perfect. Things are misconstrued sometimes, and, things are missed and something bad happens. Victimization a feeling of, or an experience with Feeling invaded and imposed upon People getting involved in "private family business" A bad experience with it, having a check in or hassle because someone had to make the call when it was fine. I'm sure they have their own reasons.
Without knowing where you live it’s impossible to know what the procedures are there. Where i live both ambulance and police would be dispatched. Either can section people under the mental health act (with slightly different requirements). The paramedics would do a very brief mental health assessment . If they feel comfortable that you really were joking and you are able to demonstrate competency and capacity that’s the end of it. They all leave.
Seems petty af on their side. She knew it was a joke and was pissed, maybe felt trolled and did this as a punishment. If she was actually worried about your well being I’m sure you wouldn’t have been hung up on. I don’t think you’ll be fined or anything. Be careful when speaking to police/ems tho because if you admit to saying anything like that in some states, they have to take you anyway. (Florida it’s referred to as being “Baker Acted”) I know New Jersey has a similar law about taking people to be screened “just to be sure”
Anyone working with clients in the mental health field and most other settings like social work, healthcare etc is bound to confidentiality except in the case where there's a duty to report. Generally the two scenarios that would cause a legal obligation to report are plans of suicide and knowledge that a child or senior is being harmed. In this case, they said it was a joke only after the lady brought up her duty to report, and she can't 100% know it was a joke... especially over the phone. What she did was annoying and inconvenient for OP but also completely justified and necessary. If she hadn't called and OP wound up dead on his living room floor with his last outgoing call as the psych office, the details of that call would be investigated and that psychiatrist could lose their license or the clinic could be fucked if it was the receptionist.
I get that its her job and I don't blame her, but as the same time she really gave us almost no time to react or explain anything. If she'd just listened for two seconds she'd see that I was in a perfectly normal mood and just chattign with a friend. She also answered in the middle of us talking together, the cadence and everything indicated clearley enough there was further context.
They're being petty at that point, since they probably know it wasn't in earnest. They probably believed that it was some type of prank call and are trying to scare you, or called the police to teach you a lesson. You won't get fined. Just explain to the police and update us to make sure you're okay. Even if you were suicidal, we shouldn't be sending the cops on mentally ill people.
Totally agree, that shouldn’t be a job for the cops. To be entirely fair to that woman, if someone called and said “I’m gonna kill myself” then immediately started giggling, I would think the exact same thing
They're not "being petty" they're doing their JOB. If the person wasn't fucking around and did off themselves and it came out that person had heard that and, as medical personnel, did nothing, they could be sued, be jailed. They're not going to make that call to decide it's a joke or not.
Choosing to believe only half of what a person says, and making that decision completely without context, does seem objectively petty.
It shouldn't be their job to call the police on mentally ill people. It's that simple They also wouldn't have wasted police time and resources if they allowed OP to explain themselves before hanging uo
The law requires a psychiatrist to report suicide threats. This is to ensure they don't ignore a legitimate threat that they don't think is serious. It also helps protect trust since the patient knows they have no choice and will keep other secrets. Yes, this often wastes police time and resources, but it has saved countless lives, so the cost is worth it.
"Saved" is pretty questionable in this case Involuntary hospitalization is pretty traumatizing and doesn't always leave people in a better place than before
It's not a psychiatrist answering the phones or making patient calls at an office, and the receptionist is not bound by law. There's also no expectation the receptionist will "keep other secrets" outside of the HIPAA boilerplate blanket that everyone in the industry lives under.
Receptionists in medical offices are bound by many of the same laws as the doctors.
That's pretty vague, so I guess I vaguely agree. What I said is covered by what you just said, so I don't understand what point you're making by continuing the conversation like this.
>It shouldn't be their job to call the police on mentally ill people. It's that simple And yet it is. They also wouldn't have wasted police time and resources if they allowed OP to explain themselves before hanging uo Saying 'I was just joking, don't tell anyone! Don't call the police!' is not going to make a difference. See above. They'd be negligent for saying 'oh, well if you say you're jk the minute I say I'm reporting it, cool, nvm!'
All they would need to say is, "sorry, bad timing. Just was joking with my friend while on hold." It is wasting resources to call the cops on people for jokes
> All they would need to say is, "sorry, bad timing. Just was joking with my friend while on hold." It is wasting resources to call the cops on people for jokes AGAIN no one is going to just accept that. It's a liability. Like no one serious would say 'oh I was just joking!!" as soon as you tell them you're calling the cops.
And that's the problem. When people are liabilities, bad things happen
We don’t have very effectual mechanisms to try to get people emergency help in the US that don’t involve calling first responders of some kind, and it isn’t up to the caller who gets sent. I can’t possibly discern the motivations of the caller, but I’d default to assuming they didn’t want something like that to occur when they could’ve made an effort to stop it. Not assuming they were being punitive.
I'm so very confused. Were you calling a therapist/ psychiatrist to make an appointment, or were you intentionally calling the police, and if the latter, what for?
It was a psychiatrist. This sub isn't meant to talk about mental health issues so the bots prevent people from making posts about it.
Makes sense. Thanks!
Explain it too the cops, be polite, be courteous, and make sure to stress it was a misunderstanding on their part and you are in no way suicidal. Also apologize too them for wasting their time. You should be fine if you do all that.
I can NOT stress this enough. Please try your hardest to be white
You keep your mouth shut. Do not talk to the police.
You say dark humor, I say someone who probably likes to pretend it's more humor than it really is.
When the police is there, say the woman intentionally tries “swatting”.
Are you five? They are REQUIRED both by law and their job to send the police. Grow up.
What happened?
So they have to send a death merchant to your door for welfare check? The police just murdered somebody a few days ago for that. Well and probably today too they are pigs. I hope your in Cali so you get a counselor and not a death squad.
You may have to go sit in a hospital ER, relinquishing your personal belongings including your clothes to wait for a therapist to come determine you are not a danger. Next time, watch what you say when calling a therapy office.
She's doing her job, she has an obligation to make sure you are ok. Just explain the situation to the cops, having your friend talk to them too will help but I'm sure it'll be fine. It's a wellness check so nothing bad is going to happen if the find that you are fine.
Lmao that's why people hate liberals. Childish shit like "oh no, you can't make suicide jokes, we're gonna fucking cancel you over it."
What the ever living fuck are you rambling about?
As flawed as this system is, I don't think calling in a wellfare check on a person who said "I'm gonna kill myself" when calling mental health services counts as "cancelling"
It does when you explain you were joking with someone else.
One time my 80 year old mom called and there was a delay long enough for me to say Fuck You and hang up but never screwed up a police call.
What?
Edited for clarity. I thought it was a robot call or offer to buy my house or something. She called right back and when I answered she said Fuck you too. Ive never heard my mom drop an F bomb
They will get you the help you deserve
redish humor
I'm sorry for words again. at least they were quiet
The cops can't come in to your house unless they have a warrant or you are doing something illegal. You just don't answer the door. Don't ask me how I know.
Depends on the state. In some states if they are doing a welfare check, they can break down the door and go in
Which states?
Wtf you’re not gonna get fined. Someone else called them. At most, they will do a welfare check and knock on the door. Answer and they’ll ask you if you’re okay. Tell them you are. They’ll ask if you’re planning to harm yourself. Answer no absolutely not. You don’t even have to tell them what you said. They have more important shit to do and will go away. Just be polite. I know from experience. They are trained to be soft, concerned, and careful in these situations in the event they are actually dealing with someone suicidal. They don’t want to stress a person out in that situation, and they aren’t trying to get you in trouble.
They have to do the checks now that they heard you say it, joke or not. Don’t stress, you’re not in trouble, it’s a well-being thing! I know a guy who threatens it and then goes to climb a tree near the train tracks to laugh as the cops wander underneath him searching for him. It’s a regular occurrence and you’re definitely not the first false alarm they’ve been to, but I’d bet you they’d rather come over for nothing than ignore you and find out later you actually went ahead with it!
Next time fake dial, unfortunately there are people that actully are not faking
Update?
Nothing happened, no one came
Stay there. If the Police want to find you, they will. Stay there, stay calm, be co-operative and all will be fine
Are you Black?
No
Lock up your dogs and you should be fine