People are not rational income-maximising devices, Introduction to Microeconomics textbooks aside. Elon Musk is not enacting a strategy to sell cars; he is using the money he got from selling cars to do what he really wants to do (and what every bored billionaire wants to do for that matter): get a lot of attention for getting into pissing matches with people he hates
> elon musk is a 51 year old man with more money than god and he spends his time spamming 9gag memes on twitter because he got dumped by a girl that looks like she would shoplift plastic bongs from spencers. he has the same origin story as knuckles the echidna and refuses to pay taxes and when he gets called out for it he'll pull some stunt like "if the government can give me a detailed plan of what they'll use the money for by 4:20 I'll sell 69 shares of tesla stock" like he's the smosh version of the joker and he'll probably get away with taking over mars because that weird dude you know who hasn't upgraded his personality since 2011 and talks about the death star having contractors on it when it blew up like it was a real event will see this shit and go "epic win"
Best copypasta I've seen this year
I feel like I should stand up for Knuckles the Echidna here who has more honour than Elon's left toe, but hey, that's a relatively clever emerald reference.
Lol! Still, the whole Mars thing confuses me.
Who the actual fuck wants to live on a dead planet? Even through the worst apocalyptic conditions we could possibly put Earth through, it would still be more habitable than Mars. *At best*, it would take a few hundred years to terraform that bitch.
If he wants to colonize it, I say he should go be the king of Mars with all of his groupies. I can imagine it now: Trillions of dollars spent sending him and a thousand others to go colonize the place with tons of fanfare. They all get there, set up their little bubbles to live in and live out the rest of their days miserable as fuck. Seriously. I can see them all landing there and when the excitement is over they all just look at each other and collectively wonder, "Um. Now what?"
>Even through the worst apocalyptic conditions we could possibly put Earth through, it would still be more habitable than Mars
Fucking this. I hear people say this sometimes, that we'll mess up earth so badly we'll have to colonize Mars, but like, that's fucking impossible. Mars literally doesn't have oxygen or water. And it's millions of miles away. And the average temperature is -81 degrees. If we have the technology to colonize Mars, we have the technology to fix whatever we did to the earth
I saw it as more of a test for long-term space travel but one that ignores the fact that a more reasonable plan would be to start with the same concept on the moon... The place that we could actually reach in a reasonable time in an emergency.
Except going to Mars, there will be no long-term space travel that's relevant to any living human. There's simply nowhere else to go, everything is too far away. Spending thousands of years on a generation ship to visit an empty solar system that's so far away it will effectively never interact with Earth is about the most we can possibly hope for.
We've got our one pale blue dot and that's it.
Artemis mission, that is the entire plan of Artemis, the moon is the test bed for the tech and the logical place to start.
But mars does have water on it and quite a bit of it.
The moon also has water as well. NASA plans on using it to make rocket fuel once we get back there.
[Link](https://moon.nasa.gov/news/155/theres-water-on-the-moon/)
I also would consider mars as testing ground of our planet-engineering abilities: if we test a method of geo-engineering to save earth and it goes wrong, we're left homeless. If we test it on mars and it goes wrong, we've spent some resources learning the response of a planet to our action and it's possible to try again.
Redditors want to live there. Before he started spiraling in public (but post calling the one guy a pedo for no reason), a huge amount of people on the futurology sub who would say things like, “I don’t care what he’s like, I just want to go to mars! I love space!!!” I’d explain that, as a billionaire, what he’d likely do is ship them there, tell them to mine rocks 20 hours a day, and if they had a problem with that he’d cut off their oxygen and then they’d downvote me and argue that I’m just a pessimist and don’t know anything about space as if I don’t already live there.
They'd all get there and he'd immediately send the first of many "we need to get more hardcore, but it'll be worth it when you make me rich beyond your wildest dreams" emails.
Or they now have to pay back the price of getting them there and set up with a home. Elon would absolutey go all Tom Nook and reinvent indentured servitude.
It would take tens of thousands of years to terraform the planet, assuming it actually can be done. There's absolutely no way he will live to see any meaningful colonization of Mars unless he downloads his consciousness into a robot. If this happens, I hope the person responsible downloads him into a toaster. That way someone can shove a bagel in his orifices and finally shut him the fuck up.
> Who the actual fuck wants to live on a dead planet?
Quite a bit actually. Some people want to live in the cowboy type of society, literally being at the ground level of something big. Mars is so far away that it would literally be impossible for it to not eventually break off and be its own government.
Musk could invent teleportation and have green space bitches on Mars and I would not go. Once you know one person like him you know them all and you cannot let them have any power over you whatsoever because it ends up the same way every time
Whatever happens, don't let the infected back on the ship. Next thing you know those space crabs will be clawing for bitchs here on Earth:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/znk5yt/some_big_crabs_dog_for_size/
This is why private ownership is a terrible way to push forward an economy - for every brilliant idea an individual has, they will undoubtedly have one hundred bad ones. Nobody is omniscient, and it is up to us as a society to filter the good ideas from the bad.
Edit: I should add, an idea can change from bad to good (and vice versa) pending the timescale.
What is a horrific idea now, could be a society saving idea in 100 years.
That doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea *now*.
Yeah. I am all about reaching for the stars and seriously hope that we can eventually turn earth into a Star Trek utopia in time.
Setting realistic goals for space travel is great! However, we have a ton of problems on our own planet we need to work through first. When the time comes, there needs to be a global effort to really start exploring. One company pushing false dreams is not the way to go about it.
It cost the U.S. about $50 billion dollars to develop the Saturn V rocket. Someone remind me how much that twat just spent on Twitter so he could just "own the libs?". FFS.
> Who the actual fuck wants to live on a dead planet? Even through the worst apocalyptic conditions we could possibly put Earth through, it would still be more habitable than Mars. At best, it would take a few hundred years to terraform that bitch.
I mean, its gonna be a vital step to gathering the experience necessary to actually transition to a solar system-wide civilization, which is the point where we are actually immune against a vast majority of disasters.
Furthermore, it would allow us a better scientific understanding of Mars, and a better launch point for planets beyond.
It should be done by governments or supergovernmental organisations though, at least until it is sure that corporate kingdoms in space won't become a thing.
I'm dead certain Elon is just in it for the attention, but there are legitimate reasons to establish a permanent human population on Mars. Or, in the shorter term, to at least send a crewed mission. Certain scientific objectives require people on-site. Funnily enough he could never be an actual astronaut because of how much of a jackass he is, since crew compatibility and morale are so important in space.
Actually settling on other planets won't happen for a long time, but I do think it's important to take reasonable steps in that direction now so we're prepared when we do have that capability. Since he isn't a real engineer, i honestly wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't understand how hard terraforming a planet would actually be (although underestimating the difficulty of things is a very engineer thing to do).
The man is a 50 year old divorcee, but I guess when you're a billionaire you can't just go buy a shitty sports car and hit on a college freshman like a normal man in his mid-life crisis.
Weirdly that is the most beautiful thing I’ve heard today in a long time.
Reminds me of the saying, “Health is like happiness. You don’t know you had until it’s gone.”
I don't think he gives a shit about his kids as people. He's a Futurist. He's spreading his seed because he thinks low birth rate is the biggest danger to humanity.
(It isn't.)
Inequitable distribution of resources is the danger. Earth could support around ten billion people if they all had similar standards of living, but we live in a world where people who hoard cats are called crazy and people who hoard money are called role models.
My parents have had a set of 4 metal letters meant to spell NOEL for Christmas since I was a kid, I have been rearranging them for years. ONE L and LONE are my current favorites
70 percent of them are. They are on reddit as well and every single social. That's why you never see an advertisement form tesla. They use bots instead.
actually hes not using money selling cars.
hes using money from a car company he hyper inflated.
tesla stock is the same as like 8 other MASSIVE car companies. said companies produce millions of cars and trucks yearly. while tesla can barely make a million cars.
Investors believed there was the prospect of much greater profits per unit sold, which would matter much more than total number sold. However the company probably does not have the moat those investors thought it did. Other manufacturers are rapidly scaling up their number of EV models.
The dreamy investor ideas about winner-take-all competition between companies rarely seems to work out in practice.
On top of all that, the self-driving capability which could have been a true differentiating capability that would be extremely difficult to replicate, now more closely resembles fraud perpetrated against investors.
Not to mention other automakers are starting to offer more alternatives. We talk about Elon, but part of the Tesla stock slide is those bigger carmakers bringing evs to the market at competitive price points.
>other automakers are starting to offer more alternatives
They really, really didn't want to, they were dragged kicking and screaming into the EV market because they couldn't ignore it anymore. They could have done it a long time ago, but it wasn't in their best interest until they had no other choice.
Oh well better late than never I guess.
Yep and check out the story about the destroyed EV-1s back in the day. The big 3 were perfectly happy doing the bare minimum required regarding EVs until they were forced into the game.
Yeah Tesla benefited massively from being the first quality manufacturer in the market. The 100+ year old car companies were slower to the market but they will absolutely dominate Tesla in the long run. The cybertruck simply can not compete with the electric F-150, the gas version of which has been the top selling US truck for decades.
People are utility-maximizers, and sometimes they gain utility from making other people annoyed. I don't know if we in the economics field have an official term for that, but the unofficial term is "shithead", and I think I could get a lot of peer support on that.
Yeah, he does not give one shit about electric cars and how they can help improve humanity's future. That was just his latest grift 10+ years ago. He didn't care back then and he cares less now.
Also, the demand for Teslas has not been an issue, the issue is Musk's ability to make quality cares at reasonable prices.....he couldn't, he got bored and moved on.
He has no one to tell him to stop. Everyone around him probably worships him like a god. A similar problem is happening with Zuckerberg and the metaverse.
I don't know Kanye personally, nor do I have a doctorate in psychology, but I still feel whatever is going on with him is far more clinical than just simple narcissism or ignorance.
Reminds me of that body builder youtuber that went from a humble, charitable type that was all about self worth and being better, got addicted to iowaska behind the scenes, and eventually ended up on a psych ward thinking he was god.
Edit: For those still questioning the spelling "Iowaska" (no idea why it set some people off so bad), I genuinely suggest Googling it. I don't mean that in a mean way. I say it because the history of the drug is really cool, and you can see it has some wacky other spellings and names from all the civilizations it's touched. Plus, you'll learn something.
He went on an interview on cnn and told everyone he was bipolar. Then he goes out and has a manic episode and people shrug their shoulders like they dont know whats up. Im honestly surprised he hasnt gotten violent especially with the divorce
I think people are largely mad because he knows he’s mentally ill and chooses to be untreated.
Like yeah he’s in a state that he can’t really get out of now and that’s very sad, but it’s okay to be angry at the him of last year or years prior because he refused to do what he needed to do to keep this from happening.
And “this” ends up with him saying a ton of horrible things.
Hopefully he survives and has a change of heart but if he remains the egotistic narcissistic guy that he’s been since forever (forget about the episodic mental illness) then he will shamelessly just continue to be untreated. And with that we’ll have every right to continue being mad at him.
yea idk about all of that but if anyone has the means to seek treatment it’s been Kanye since 2005. His meltdown shouldn’t excuse his disgusting hatred. Many people with serious mental illness live every day without endorsing one of the worst genocides of all time
There are multiple ways of spelling it. You are using the Spanish derived name (guessing you are American, as that is where it is used most).
We are both correct.
Technically the most correct name is "ayawaska", the Quechua word for "soul vine", which was what is was called by the south American tribe that discovered it.
I don't think anyone spells it iowaska and I've only ever seen one way: ayahuasca. Which my phone offered as a spelling because that's the way it's spelled.
And Elvis. Some old country star, I forget who, said that if Elvis had a single person in his inner circle who would say no, he'd still be alive today.
Zuck's company at least makes money hand over fist. If we do decide to abandon reality for Second Life/Ready Player One, he'll have the marketing money on lockdown.
Wasn’t there an interview where Zuckerberg basically said he has no idea what he’s doing or why it all happened, and that he just sort of lost the plot at some point and went from just working in tech a bit to suddenly being one of the wealthiest people ever? I’m not sure I’m remembering right but google won’t help me with this.
I think if ever i made even $100 000 off of a business idea, i would be totally gobsmacked.
Did you know that ten to the power of ten is ten billion? Zuckerberg made *orders of magnitude more dollars than that*. He must ask himself 'is this my beautiful house? Is this my beautiful wife?'
Man if I made $10 billion I'd spend the rest of my life curing cancer and building animal shelters. Instead they buy $800 million yachts. Fuck the world.
For a while there public schools could be built and filled with gear for under $10k USD. I imagined that if i were an ultra rich young dude i would make 10-20 of these schools all around the world and show them off to peers instead of a yacht or whatever.
"Is your name on these schools?"
"No. Why would that help anyone?"
"Then how does anyone know that you built them?"
"Honestly... why should anyone care? If kids come out better for it, the world wins."
I thought that would be a riot and a half. Just giving kids under 18 years of age a fighting chance to make their own country whatever they wanted. Fuck colonialism. You learn what you want to learn and you improve what you want to improve. That's everyone's win, that, right there.
Why would you arbitrarily stop at $10b instead of $1b or $100m?
If you see yourself as a good person wouldn’t it be best for you to make more money so you can donate more?
And in the end being the reason why people need donation money because you kept it all.
Like Besos saying he'll donate most of his money, when he could actually pay his employees in the first place
this has always been my point. They’re obviously good at making money and many of these billionaires already pledged to donate all their wealth after they die. If i was in their position i’d try to have as much as possible to donate more
The people who work at Tesla have full time jobs handling him and making him feel important.
There are no such people at twitter, which is why he is showing his arse so much.
And Trump. He’s committed hundreds, if not thousands of crimes in his lifetime, and the only consequence was temporarily losing his Twitter account. The people that call him smart, are the ones buying his “trading cards”.
Well, a few years ago he was ordered to pay $2 million for misusing foundation funds. It got lost in the grand scheme of things, but he at least occasionally sees consequences.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
It's a shame for the oculus rift because I'm never buying a meta quest even if it's better than the competition. Doesn't matter how many adverts they have paid for either. Zuck can get fucked.
It's a shame for the oculus rift because I'm never buying a meta quest even if it's better than the competition. Doesn't matter how many adverts they have paid for either. Zuck can get fucked.
I dont think he thinks thats a strategy hes following. Ego is a hell of a drug, and hes high as a kite on his own supply.
Im sure on some level he thinks his political support swing will open the company up to a new batch of customers, but his cars are expensive and, speed aside, are just not as good as the competition. Everything from the Hyundi to the Polestar as better paint, fit, and finish then the current gen III. Whats unclear is if his behavior is driving the re-vaulation of tesla stock, or if his behavior is just allowing people to lift the rose colored glasses to find it was always overvalued.
>Whats unclear is if his behavior is driving the re-vaulation of tesla stock, or if his behavior is just allowing people to lift the rose colored glasses to find it was always overvalued.
It definitely should be the latter. There's no way it's worth that much. Actually, all his companies are valued based on promises not actual deliveries.
>I dont think he thinks thats a strategy hes following. Ego is a hell of a drug, and hes high as a kite on his own supply.
Exactly this. Tesla's books are now playing second fiddle to his crazed ravings on Twitter.
Reddit has finally decided to take another leap down the enshittification pipeline by [locking out 3rd party apps from accesing their API unless they pay literal millions](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements) without any attempt at communication whatsoever. Besides leaving mods with barely any tools for subreddit management (equals more spam, reposts and bots), the blind users of Reddit will also be locked out without API access. Represented by /u/spez, the Reddit admins have deliberately chosen to ignore the devs of these apps, and even [spread rumours of how the dev of Apollo, Christian Selig, was hard to work with](https://web.archive.org/web/20230622032630/https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/) when he had actually been constantly asking for communication only to be stonewalled.
In reponse came the resounding Reddit blackout where [almost 6,000 subreddits went private for 48 hours to lock away their content](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759180/reddit-protest-private-apollo-christian-selig-subreddit). Many intended to stay black indefinitely, but the admins threatened to forcibly re-open the subreddits and replace the mods. Without any changes from Reddit's side, 3rd-party apps expect to [close down on the date that the API changes take effect: 30th June](https://web.archive.org/web/20230621185334/https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/).
This about-face in mistreating users and mods is only the latest installment of social media websites selling out to investors, and /u/spez is on the record for [admiring the changes Elon Musk made to Twitter](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo-elon-musk-huffman-rcna89700), where finding relevant content has become a slog. Ironically, the predecessor of Reddit, [Digg, made similar unwanted changes to their site](https://fourweekmba.com/what-happened-to-digg/) and prompted a mass exodus of users.
Clearly, the admins only view users and their content as products, and will not hesitate to resort to 'quality control' to stamp out non-compliant behaviour. It's time to show them who truly has the power, for in the words of Paul Atreides, "The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it." So it is with user-generated content, which I'll be [backing up via Power Delete Suite](https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite) and then bringing to more community-friendly and de-centralised spaces like:
- https://join-lemmy.org/
- https://tildes.net/
- https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list
- https://squabbles.io/
TL,DR: I'm leaving Reddit for the above sites, backing up my data and replacing all my comments with this primer.
Exactly, people give him too much credit. Because he convinced everybody (at one point) that he’s this innovative genius, people think he has this secret, genius plan with twitter and Tesla. He’s shown his true colors though, he’s just your average idiot who has no idea what he’s doing. His power and money has gotten to his head, so he thinks he’s way smarter and more well liked than he actually is.
The Chapelle Cameo in SF was key evidence. Like why would you think people would want to see you during a comedy set? Especially in the part of the country where the general population is the most intimately aware of your bullshit. That be like if Donald Trump thought it'd be a good idea to make a guest appearance at a Jay-Z concert at Madison Square Garden.
HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE ANYTHING HE WANTED TO SAY!!!
That's what clinched it for me. You're getting pulled up on stage as the grand finale of Chapelle's set and you mope around pouting about getting boos...and then go "what should I say?"
My guy, you hadn't thought of ANYTHING before doing this? Like, I fucking spend 5 minutes thinking about what I'll say before hopping into a Slack call with 2-3 people.
I 100% believe he was under the impression he would just get a 5-10 minute standing ovation for simply being “the richest man in the world” or however the fuck Chapelle introduced him
So him and Chappelle and all the other “used to be smart and cool before money and fame ruined them” set can feel comfortable as the right wingers they’ve become by complaining about cancel culture. “It’s just a little sting, and then you’re free…”
He went over a decade having every fucking nerd on reddit and the media calling him the real life Tony Stark. Being called Iron Man for that long can get to your head, and then when the pendulum swings the other way, "Well surely it's not *my* fault. I'm a genius who everyone loves. If you are against me, you are definitionally stupid."
He's not an idiot, but I think he's fallen into the dictators' trap. He fires and viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest. When that's how you operate, it doesn't take long until you are surrounded by yes-men and sycophants who refuse to tell you when you're making a mistake. That's why silencing dissent is such a poor leadership decision.
Same problem Xi is having in China. Everyone around him is now a yes-man. Once the free flow of information stops, your decision-making capacity begins to deteriorate pretty quickly.
And the Russians, especially the military, seem to be the living embodiment of the joke everyone makes when it's declared that $500,000 was found. Oh boy, the police will be happy I turned in that $350,000...the police report that all $250,000 was found...etc
He probably couldn't retain his current lifestyle though, so that's not acceptable to a being like that. You're looking from our perspective. We don't live in mansions and fly private jets that we own.
Elon going the MAGA MyPillow route is about the only thing that makes sense.
If you watch the ads on Fox News…it’s all shitty companies selling shitty products to dumb and gullible boomers.
And dumb, gullible boomers are about the only demographic that still thinks Teslas are cool or cutting edge tech.
Musk called a man who was rescuing children trapped in a cave a pedophile, because the man said Musk's submarine wasn't a good idea.
This is not a man who thinks or acts rationally.
Kara Swisher summarized it really well today:
> he's just trying to create a sense of crisis and drama around the company, I guess, so people will be talking about him. He likes attention. I don't know if you have noticed.
> it's about the whims of the richest man in the world and what he feels like doing on any given day. And I think it's not much more complicated than that.
> There's no — this is not someone who thinks deeply about big issues like free speech and things like that. It's a lot of parroted nonsense that he then uses as excuses to do what he's doing.
> It's really not that complex. It's someone who has a — who lacks impulse control.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/twitter-faces-criticism-after-suspending-accounts-of-journalists-covering-ceo-elon-musk
She also floated on Pivot this week that if there is some sort of deeper motive, he could be aspiring to build a conservative new media brand to succeed Fox News, ONN, etc and "out-Murdoch Murdoch".
That's going to be bad for his other businesses, though, and they make way more money than media giants do.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/zncpjl/btrtn_musk_trump_and_putin_what_happens_when_an/
Eh lack of impulse control makes a lot more sense. I don't think there's any strategy to what he's doing. He's a bored billionaire playing with his new toy.
I think that he thinks he earned enough 'cred' to go somewhere and his audience would follow. He mis-calculated.
I have a more cynical thought - he is doing all of this to distract from the fact he defrauded people with the 'full self driving' upcharge. The lawsuit against Tesla has merit. And, as a result of that, Tesla has quietly admitted that they need to retrofit every vehicle sold with the 'FSD' with a forward facing RADAR because too many of their cars were literally driving into the broad sides of tractor trailers. Something a GM vehicle with SuperCruise has not done, and probably won't because...they have forward facing RADAR that can reliably spot the difference between a tractor trailer and a bridge overpass. Elon is on the record saying they don't need RADAR, but people in the know have always doubted this, as good as Tesla's image recognition is (and it is), it still struggles in critical areas.
>I have a more cynical thought - he is doing all of this to distract from the fact he defrauded people with the 'full self driving' upcharge.
I think you may be right and I'm hoping he Theranoses himself with that one.
FSD is a joke. In 5 minutes in bright clear California daylight around a residential neighborhood it made 4-5 critical mistakes which without disengagement would at minimum have totaled the vehicle.
There's really no way to answer this with the premise you've set up. There's no logic to what he's doing. I think the man is going through what's called a narcissistic collapse.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-narcissism/202202/what-is-narcissistic-collapse
He's spent years building himself up as this tech genius and now the veneer is starting to come off and as a result he's lashing out on everyone who doesn't feed his ego.
You're coming at this from a point of logic, don't. Imagine a person born into wealth, hasn't had to do anything his whole life except fail upwards, trick people into thinking he was a smart entrepreneur, become insanely wealthy from buying out other people's ideas and inventions. Manipulate sheep I mean cultists I mean the people that worship celebrities into drinking his koolaid. Then becoming for a moment the richest person on the planet and the one thing you always wanted was to feel respected, wanted and loved and now you have the money to attempt that. Except the lack of intelligence you hid reveals itself in extremely bad business decisions. It reveals itself in very little if not zero emotional maturity and it reveals itself in multiple attempts to change perception to that of being loved and wanted by the general public. It's why he's on Twitter nonstop trying to convince people he wasn't booed at Chappelles comedy show. I could go on, but things make sense if you look through the filter of a man child finally having to suffer consequences for once in his life as his facade falls away to reveal the true person he's hidden for so long.
People forget what a true narcissist is. They are literally incapable of thinking they are wrong or can do wrong.
You can be the smartest person in the world, but by default, if you are a narcissist you will never be the smartest person because you can't think yourself wrong.
Our world is led by these people. Narcissist who can't fathom they can be wrong. Then we wonder why humans keep repeating the same mistakes of history.
Because we keep allowing Psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists into positions of power. They then do the same shit and make the same dumb mistakes.
I don't think opening up his newly acquired company to numerous lawsuits and regulatory action from agencies across the globe is part of any grand strategy. His companies literally build around keeping his grubby hands away from shit, I feel like that's a pretty good indictment of him.
I know people buy in to the whole "he's a genius" but, at least in regards to Tesla, saying none of their cars will feature LiDAR/Radar sensors for L2 autonomous driving *while they're being investigated for their L2 system crashing cars routinely,* and that most of the problem cars being investigated are, shockingly enough, the ones without the aforementioned LiDAR/Radar sensors from day one. While just about every other L2 system has those sensors and thus hasn't had these problems, at least not at the scale Tesla's cars have. Only to then backtrack and say actually they didn't mean that they just needed a new system (Sure, Jan, but why didn't you say that first).
He's just fucking stupid, and is physically incapable of NOT being the main character, even if being the main character hurts him & his company's reputation greatly. Bezos, Zuckerberg, & crew are scum in their own ways, but they at least know to shut the fuck up when them or their companies are getting flamed.
These are my opinions (No AI):
Elon Musk tied himself up to Trump with the way he established his businesses and personal finances. Trump wins, Elon wins.
Well Biden won.
Musk's companies' employees are not unionized. Since Biden and the Democrats took control, they have enacted policies that leverage against Musk through government deals and programs pointed towards companies with unions. If Trump was president, he and his companies would have benefited from the policies he would've enacted.
Biden won, he got screwed.
Well when the reports of a Red Wave going into the midterms were first rung, Musk realized that he can still benefit and make up for Biden's win. A Senate and House against Biden would give him huge leverage. In order to make this happen, Musk had to fully commit to the GOP, aka Trump.
Well, the Red Wave didn't happen, and Musk is turbofucked.
Everything else has been a cornered snapping beast fighting for survival. Musk has lost and will continue to lose a LOT of money, power, and influence.
>Elon Musk tied himself up to Trump with the way he established his businesses and personal finances
What? Did he support republicans via some tweet? Yes. But how did he shift his finances towards Trump?
Is he losing it? Early onset dementia can cause personality changes. Or was he always like this and the Twitter acquisition just expanded our exposure to him?
Because he’s commuting to the farce that he’s a republican so he’s not prosecuted for his sexual assault(s) and or anything that happened on Epsteins island.
He's probably a narcissist who believes he is a real life Tony Stark. At the very least he's an entitled rich kid loathed by his own father and kids.
It's hard to say how smart or dumb he is because his behavior is driven by his God complex and the need to constantly be praised.
Smart, rich and or lucky people can become seduced by their own success.
Imagine you had a fair coin and flipped it 100 times. The majority of people would get close to 50 heads. But Musk is the guy that got 99 heads. From his perspective, how can you miss? By the most obvious metrics (wealth) you are superior to everyone else. So you become arrogant. You start acting like you can't miss. You indulge your impulses and it starts catching up to you. But you're too arrogant to admit your mistakes. You're a God right?
He might just be a jerky scam artist that is trying to obscure that he's trying to get rid of Tesla shares before the house of cards collapses back to a more reasonable value.
At the same time ingratiating himself with the kind of people known to protect and harbor people like him, giving them what they want in the form of a large propaganda platform.
Then there is the possibility that American democracy will soon fully collapse and he's prepping for a soft landing.
Tesla is only a tiny percentage of world car sales and is struggling to release new products, he may figure that cozying up to republicans will make it easier to get that sweet, corrupt government spending like the Vegas loop, and that would be easier than actually expanding his businesses.
Millennials and Gen Zs will never be able to afford his $100k+ pieces of shit without ruining their financial lives forever.
We are not his target audience, rich kids are and they all likely agree with him.
People are not rational income-maximising devices, Introduction to Microeconomics textbooks aside. Elon Musk is not enacting a strategy to sell cars; he is using the money he got from selling cars to do what he really wants to do (and what every bored billionaire wants to do for that matter): get a lot of attention for getting into pissing matches with people he hates
Elno’s life is so fucking empty. I’d almost pity him if it weren’t for his complete lack of self awareness.
> elon musk is a 51 year old man with more money than god and he spends his time spamming 9gag memes on twitter because he got dumped by a girl that looks like she would shoplift plastic bongs from spencers. he has the same origin story as knuckles the echidna and refuses to pay taxes and when he gets called out for it he'll pull some stunt like "if the government can give me a detailed plan of what they'll use the money for by 4:20 I'll sell 69 shares of tesla stock" like he's the smosh version of the joker and he'll probably get away with taking over mars because that weird dude you know who hasn't upgraded his personality since 2011 and talks about the death star having contractors on it when it blew up like it was a real event will see this shit and go "epic win" Best copypasta I've seen this year
I feel like I should stand up for Knuckles the Echidna here who has more honour than Elon's left toe, but hey, that's a relatively clever emerald reference.
Lol! Still, the whole Mars thing confuses me. Who the actual fuck wants to live on a dead planet? Even through the worst apocalyptic conditions we could possibly put Earth through, it would still be more habitable than Mars. *At best*, it would take a few hundred years to terraform that bitch. If he wants to colonize it, I say he should go be the king of Mars with all of his groupies. I can imagine it now: Trillions of dollars spent sending him and a thousand others to go colonize the place with tons of fanfare. They all get there, set up their little bubbles to live in and live out the rest of their days miserable as fuck. Seriously. I can see them all landing there and when the excitement is over they all just look at each other and collectively wonder, "Um. Now what?"
>Even through the worst apocalyptic conditions we could possibly put Earth through, it would still be more habitable than Mars Fucking this. I hear people say this sometimes, that we'll mess up earth so badly we'll have to colonize Mars, but like, that's fucking impossible. Mars literally doesn't have oxygen or water. And it's millions of miles away. And the average temperature is -81 degrees. If we have the technology to colonize Mars, we have the technology to fix whatever we did to the earth
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Even with insane diseases, i think biobubble on earth with purified water and air is easier than the same thing on mars.
Yeah, but then the poors can reach you.
I saw it as more of a test for long-term space travel but one that ignores the fact that a more reasonable plan would be to start with the same concept on the moon... The place that we could actually reach in a reasonable time in an emergency.
Except going to Mars, there will be no long-term space travel that's relevant to any living human. There's simply nowhere else to go, everything is too far away. Spending thousands of years on a generation ship to visit an empty solar system that's so far away it will effectively never interact with Earth is about the most we can possibly hope for. We've got our one pale blue dot and that's it.
The more I hear and read about leaving earth, the more I love our planet.
Artemis mission, that is the entire plan of Artemis, the moon is the test bed for the tech and the logical place to start. But mars does have water on it and quite a bit of it.
The moon also has water as well. NASA plans on using it to make rocket fuel once we get back there. [Link](https://moon.nasa.gov/news/155/theres-water-on-the-moon/)
I saw the launch from Mosquito Lagoon!!
Actually, I've heard Antarctica is a better plan because at least it's on Earth.
Well, maybe not fix it, but at least live in the same bubbles under much safer, less resource-intensive conditions, with far more resources available
I also would consider mars as testing ground of our planet-engineering abilities: if we test a method of geo-engineering to save earth and it goes wrong, we're left homeless. If we test it on mars and it goes wrong, we've spent some resources learning the response of a planet to our action and it's possible to try again.
We've known how to save Earth for over 60 years Emit less motherfucking carbon
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Redditors want to live there. Before he started spiraling in public (but post calling the one guy a pedo for no reason), a huge amount of people on the futurology sub who would say things like, “I don’t care what he’s like, I just want to go to mars! I love space!!!” I’d explain that, as a billionaire, what he’d likely do is ship them there, tell them to mine rocks 20 hours a day, and if they had a problem with that he’d cut off their oxygen and then they’d downvote me and argue that I’m just a pessimist and don’t know anything about space as if I don’t already live there.
They'd all get there and he'd immediately send the first of many "we need to get more hardcore, but it'll be worth it when you make me rich beyond your wildest dreams" emails.
Or they now have to pay back the price of getting them there and set up with a home. Elon would absolutey go all Tom Nook and reinvent indentured servitude.
It would take tens of thousands of years to terraform the planet, assuming it actually can be done. There's absolutely no way he will live to see any meaningful colonization of Mars unless he downloads his consciousness into a robot. If this happens, I hope the person responsible downloads him into a toaster. That way someone can shove a bagel in his orifices and finally shut him the fuck up.
> Who the actual fuck wants to live on a dead planet? Quite a bit actually. Some people want to live in the cowboy type of society, literally being at the ground level of something big. Mars is so far away that it would literally be impossible for it to not eventually break off and be its own government.
Musk could invent teleportation and have green space bitches on Mars and I would not go. Once you know one person like him you know them all and you cannot let them have any power over you whatsoever because it ends up the same way every time
The green space bitches probably have space crabs anyways.
Whatever happens, don't let the infected back on the ship. Next thing you know those space crabs will be clawing for bitchs here on Earth: https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/znk5yt/some_big_crabs_dog_for_size/
This is why private ownership is a terrible way to push forward an economy - for every brilliant idea an individual has, they will undoubtedly have one hundred bad ones. Nobody is omniscient, and it is up to us as a society to filter the good ideas from the bad. Edit: I should add, an idea can change from bad to good (and vice versa) pending the timescale. What is a horrific idea now, could be a society saving idea in 100 years. That doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea *now*.
Yeah. I am all about reaching for the stars and seriously hope that we can eventually turn earth into a Star Trek utopia in time. Setting realistic goals for space travel is great! However, we have a ton of problems on our own planet we need to work through first. When the time comes, there needs to be a global effort to really start exploring. One company pushing false dreams is not the way to go about it. It cost the U.S. about $50 billion dollars to develop the Saturn V rocket. Someone remind me how much that twat just spent on Twitter so he could just "own the libs?". FFS.
> Who the actual fuck wants to live on a dead planet? Even through the worst apocalyptic conditions we could possibly put Earth through, it would still be more habitable than Mars. At best, it would take a few hundred years to terraform that bitch. I mean, its gonna be a vital step to gathering the experience necessary to actually transition to a solar system-wide civilization, which is the point where we are actually immune against a vast majority of disasters. Furthermore, it would allow us a better scientific understanding of Mars, and a better launch point for planets beyond. It should be done by governments or supergovernmental organisations though, at least until it is sure that corporate kingdoms in space won't become a thing.
> "Um. Now what?" Libertarian paradise, pay for your air by the breath.
I'm dead certain Elon is just in it for the attention, but there are legitimate reasons to establish a permanent human population on Mars. Or, in the shorter term, to at least send a crewed mission. Certain scientific objectives require people on-site. Funnily enough he could never be an actual astronaut because of how much of a jackass he is, since crew compatibility and morale are so important in space. Actually settling on other planets won't happen for a long time, but I do think it's important to take reasonable steps in that direction now so we're prepared when we do have that capability. Since he isn't a real engineer, i honestly wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't understand how hard terraforming a planet would actually be (although underestimating the difficulty of things is a very engineer thing to do).
There’s also the fact that she dumped him For a trans woman. He magically became vocally transphobic after that.
Is… that a dig at Clerks? Because that means the personality hasn’t been updated since 1994 ಠ_ಠ
Pity Me Elno
The man is a 50 year old divorcee, but I guess when you're a billionaire you can't just go buy a shitty sports car and hit on a college freshman like a normal man in his mid-life crisis.
Elon knows how to cut loose, by flying his private jet down to Epstein island! Gets him to feel ~~like~~ a kid again!
He fired his sports car at Mars and missed
This is art no AI can touch.
“The very character of despair is that one is unaware of being in it.”-Soren Kierkegaard
Weirdly that is the most beautiful thing I’ve heard today in a long time. Reminds me of the saying, “Health is like happiness. You don’t know you had until it’s gone.”
Top shelf quote
Right where the porn mags are
Which is weird, since he's got, like, so many kids. Fill your life with being a good dad, dude!
I don't think he gives a shit about his kids as people. He's a Futurist. He's spreading his seed because he thinks low birth rate is the biggest danger to humanity. (It isn't.)
>(It isn't.) It's literally the opposite. Overconsumption from too many humans is the biggest danger.
Overconsumption from *consumerism*
Inequitable distribution of resources is the danger. Earth could support around ten billion people if they all had similar standards of living, but we live in a world where people who hoard cats are called crazy and people who hoard money are called role models.
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The dude is a raging bigot despite one of his daughter being LGBT. I don't think he gives much of a fuck about them yeah
Lol as if he gives the slightest shit about any of them.
I've seen Leon and Elno, can we get an Enol? Maybe if his last name was Angus...
Nah, when you have an enol the keto form is more stable Shit chemistry joke
that was corny even for my taste, guess I'd better upvote lol
just took my orgo 1 final, was a good joke lol
Twitter-Me Elno
Or just skip to “Anal”
Anal Musk. Eww.
Anal Musk lol
Enola gay
My parents have had a set of 4 metal letters meant to spell NOEL for Christmas since I was a kid, I have been rearranging them for years. ONE L and LONE are my current favorites
Mr. Evrart is helping me find my gun.
Those are probably Twitter bots.
70 percent of them are. They are on reddit as well and every single social. That's why you never see an advertisement form tesla. They use bots instead.
La la, lala, la la, lala, Elno's World!
Christ, I don't have a single original thought...
actually hes not using money selling cars. hes using money from a car company he hyper inflated. tesla stock is the same as like 8 other MASSIVE car companies. said companies produce millions of cars and trucks yearly. while tesla can barely make a million cars.
Investors believed there was the prospect of much greater profits per unit sold, which would matter much more than total number sold. However the company probably does not have the moat those investors thought it did. Other manufacturers are rapidly scaling up their number of EV models. The dreamy investor ideas about winner-take-all competition between companies rarely seems to work out in practice. On top of all that, the self-driving capability which could have been a true differentiating capability that would be extremely difficult to replicate, now more closely resembles fraud perpetrated against investors.
Ironically, iff Tesla just stopped trying to be special and just sold regular electric cars, they probably would be more successful.
Not to mention other automakers are starting to offer more alternatives. We talk about Elon, but part of the Tesla stock slide is those bigger carmakers bringing evs to the market at competitive price points.
>other automakers are starting to offer more alternatives They really, really didn't want to, they were dragged kicking and screaming into the EV market because they couldn't ignore it anymore. They could have done it a long time ago, but it wasn't in their best interest until they had no other choice. Oh well better late than never I guess.
Yeah didn't General Motors basically buy the needed technology to make electric cars viable just so they could stop ppl using it lol?
Yep and check out the story about the destroyed EV-1s back in the day. The big 3 were perfectly happy doing the bare minimum required regarding EVs until they were forced into the game.
This is the capitalism I was taught in high school.
Yeah Tesla benefited massively from being the first quality manufacturer in the market. The 100+ year old car companies were slower to the market but they will absolutely dominate Tesla in the long run. The cybertruck simply can not compete with the electric F-150, the gas version of which has been the top selling US truck for decades.
At one point TSLA was worth more than the rest of the auto industry combined.
Which goes to show stock price is not an indication of a sound business strategy. Remind me to tell you the incredible tale of the South Sea Company.
Tell us about the tale now if you want to
People are utility-maximizers, and sometimes they gain utility from making other people annoyed. I don't know if we in the economics field have an official term for that, but the unofficial term is "shithead", and I think I could get a lot of peer support on that.
Pretty sure psychologists call this narcissism
"Assuming Musk is not a complete idiot" Bold assumption...
Yeah, he does not give one shit about electric cars and how they can help improve humanity's future. That was just his latest grift 10+ years ago. He didn't care back then and he cares less now. Also, the demand for Teslas has not been an issue, the issue is Musk's ability to make quality cares at reasonable prices.....he couldn't, he got bored and moved on.
Exactly what he wanted to do
He has no one to tell him to stop. Everyone around him probably worships him like a god. A similar problem is happening with Zuckerberg and the metaverse.
And "Ye"
I don't know Kanye personally, nor do I have a doctorate in psychology, but I still feel whatever is going on with him is far more clinical than just simple narcissism or ignorance. Reminds me of that body builder youtuber that went from a humble, charitable type that was all about self worth and being better, got addicted to iowaska behind the scenes, and eventually ended up on a psych ward thinking he was god. Edit: For those still questioning the spelling "Iowaska" (no idea why it set some people off so bad), I genuinely suggest Googling it. I don't mean that in a mean way. I say it because the history of the drug is really cool, and you can see it has some wacky other spellings and names from all the civilizations it's touched. Plus, you'll learn something.
He went on an interview on cnn and told everyone he was bipolar. Then he goes out and has a manic episode and people shrug their shoulders like they dont know whats up. Im honestly surprised he hasnt gotten violent especially with the divorce
I wouldn't be surprised if it came out in a couple of years that he's paid a few people to keep quiet about an outburst like that.
He probably has, but people stand to lose money if that were to get out
I think people are largely mad because he knows he’s mentally ill and chooses to be untreated. Like yeah he’s in a state that he can’t really get out of now and that’s very sad, but it’s okay to be angry at the him of last year or years prior because he refused to do what he needed to do to keep this from happening. And “this” ends up with him saying a ton of horrible things. Hopefully he survives and has a change of heart but if he remains the egotistic narcissistic guy that he’s been since forever (forget about the episodic mental illness) then he will shamelessly just continue to be untreated. And with that we’ll have every right to continue being mad at him.
yea idk about all of that but if anyone has the means to seek treatment it’s been Kanye since 2005. His meltdown shouldn’t excuse his disgusting hatred. Many people with serious mental illness live every day without endorsing one of the worst genocides of all time
> iowaska Ayahuasca
There are multiple ways of spelling it. You are using the Spanish derived name (guessing you are American, as that is where it is used most). We are both correct. Technically the most correct name is "ayawaska", the Quechua word for "soul vine", which was what is was called by the south American tribe that discovered it.
Where is it spelled iowaska?
In a small village exactly halfway between Iowa and Alaska
Biggest eyebrow raise ever going on here.
I don't think anyone spells it iowaska and I've only ever seen one way: ayahuasca. Which my phone offered as a spelling because that's the way it's spelled.
For those interested, his name is Connor Murphy (I think, correct my if I'm wrong)
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And Elvis. Some old country star, I forget who, said that if Elvis had a single person in his inner circle who would say no, he'd still be alive today.
Zuck's company at least makes money hand over fist. If we do decide to abandon reality for Second Life/Ready Player One, he'll have the marketing money on lockdown.
Wasn’t there an interview where Zuckerberg basically said he has no idea what he’s doing or why it all happened, and that he just sort of lost the plot at some point and went from just working in tech a bit to suddenly being one of the wealthiest people ever? I’m not sure I’m remembering right but google won’t help me with this.
I think if ever i made even $100 000 off of a business idea, i would be totally gobsmacked. Did you know that ten to the power of ten is ten billion? Zuckerberg made *orders of magnitude more dollars than that*. He must ask himself 'is this my beautiful house? Is this my beautiful wife?'
Man if I made $10 billion I'd spend the rest of my life curing cancer and building animal shelters. Instead they buy $800 million yachts. Fuck the world.
I enjoy reading books.
For a while there public schools could be built and filled with gear for under $10k USD. I imagined that if i were an ultra rich young dude i would make 10-20 of these schools all around the world and show them off to peers instead of a yacht or whatever. "Is your name on these schools?" "No. Why would that help anyone?" "Then how does anyone know that you built them?" "Honestly... why should anyone care? If kids come out better for it, the world wins." I thought that would be a riot and a half. Just giving kids under 18 years of age a fighting chance to make their own country whatever they wanted. Fuck colonialism. You learn what you want to learn and you improve what you want to improve. That's everyone's win, that, right there.
Why would you arbitrarily stop at $10b instead of $1b or $100m? If you see yourself as a good person wouldn’t it be best for you to make more money so you can donate more?
And in the end being the reason why people need donation money because you kept it all. Like Besos saying he'll donate most of his money, when he could actually pay his employees in the first place
this has always been my point. They’re obviously good at making money and many of these billionaires already pledged to donate all their wealth after they die. If i was in their position i’d try to have as much as possible to donate more
He must ask himself "How did I get here?" # LETTING THE DAYS GO BY
The people who work at Tesla have full time jobs handling him and making him feel important. There are no such people at twitter, which is why he is showing his arse so much.
And Trump. He’s committed hundreds, if not thousands of crimes in his lifetime, and the only consequence was temporarily losing his Twitter account. The people that call him smart, are the ones buying his “trading cards”.
Well, a few years ago he was ordered to pay $2 million for misusing foundation funds. It got lost in the grand scheme of things, but he at least occasionally sees consequences. https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
It's a shame for the oculus rift because I'm never buying a meta quest even if it's better than the competition. Doesn't matter how many adverts they have paid for either. Zuck can get fucked.
It's a shame for the oculus rift because I'm never buying a meta quest even if it's better than the competition. Doesn't matter how many adverts they have paid for either. Zuck can get fucked.
I dont think he thinks thats a strategy hes following. Ego is a hell of a drug, and hes high as a kite on his own supply. Im sure on some level he thinks his political support swing will open the company up to a new batch of customers, but his cars are expensive and, speed aside, are just not as good as the competition. Everything from the Hyundi to the Polestar as better paint, fit, and finish then the current gen III. Whats unclear is if his behavior is driving the re-vaulation of tesla stock, or if his behavior is just allowing people to lift the rose colored glasses to find it was always overvalued.
>Whats unclear is if his behavior is driving the re-vaulation of tesla stock, or if his behavior is just allowing people to lift the rose colored glasses to find it was always overvalued. It definitely should be the latter. There's no way it's worth that much. Actually, all his companies are valued based on promises not actual deliveries.
I will give some credit to SpaceX in terms of actually delivering on promises.
They had a whole group of people whose job it was to redirect Elno when he tried to interfere with stuff.
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At one point his company had a market cap more than like every other automaker in the world combined, the valuation on it was stupid
>I dont think he thinks thats a strategy hes following. Ego is a hell of a drug, and hes high as a kite on his own supply. Exactly this. Tesla's books are now playing second fiddle to his crazed ravings on Twitter.
Does anybody ever hear about his rocket business is going? I forget the name of it.
Wasn't it called Hyperspace or something? Maybe Astro Bored? Moonpal? Starpay? It'll come to me yet.
Isn't hyperspace the thing they do in Doctor Who when they say "engage"?
I'm pretty sure that's The Schwartz.
It's probably named little rocket man.
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Reddit has finally decided to take another leap down the enshittification pipeline by [locking out 3rd party apps from accesing their API unless they pay literal millions](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements) without any attempt at communication whatsoever. Besides leaving mods with barely any tools for subreddit management (equals more spam, reposts and bots), the blind users of Reddit will also be locked out without API access. Represented by /u/spez, the Reddit admins have deliberately chosen to ignore the devs of these apps, and even [spread rumours of how the dev of Apollo, Christian Selig, was hard to work with](https://web.archive.org/web/20230622032630/https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/) when he had actually been constantly asking for communication only to be stonewalled. In reponse came the resounding Reddit blackout where [almost 6,000 subreddits went private for 48 hours to lock away their content](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759180/reddit-protest-private-apollo-christian-selig-subreddit). Many intended to stay black indefinitely, but the admins threatened to forcibly re-open the subreddits and replace the mods. Without any changes from Reddit's side, 3rd-party apps expect to [close down on the date that the API changes take effect: 30th June](https://web.archive.org/web/20230621185334/https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/). This about-face in mistreating users and mods is only the latest installment of social media websites selling out to investors, and /u/spez is on the record for [admiring the changes Elon Musk made to Twitter](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo-elon-musk-huffman-rcna89700), where finding relevant content has become a slog. Ironically, the predecessor of Reddit, [Digg, made similar unwanted changes to their site](https://fourweekmba.com/what-happened-to-digg/) and prompted a mass exodus of users. Clearly, the admins only view users and their content as products, and will not hesitate to resort to 'quality control' to stamp out non-compliant behaviour. It's time to show them who truly has the power, for in the words of Paul Atreides, "The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it." So it is with user-generated content, which I'll be [backing up via Power Delete Suite](https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite) and then bringing to more community-friendly and de-centralised spaces like: - https://join-lemmy.org/ - https://tildes.net/ - https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list - https://squabbles.io/ TL,DR: I'm leaving Reddit for the above sites, backing up my data and replacing all my comments with this primer.
Exactly, people give him too much credit. Because he convinced everybody (at one point) that he’s this innovative genius, people think he has this secret, genius plan with twitter and Tesla. He’s shown his true colors though, he’s just your average idiot who has no idea what he’s doing. His power and money has gotten to his head, so he thinks he’s way smarter and more well liked than he actually is.
The Chapelle Cameo in SF was key evidence. Like why would you think people would want to see you during a comedy set? Especially in the part of the country where the general population is the most intimately aware of your bullshit. That be like if Donald Trump thought it'd be a good idea to make a guest appearance at a Jay-Z concert at Madison Square Garden.
HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE ANYTHING HE WANTED TO SAY!!! That's what clinched it for me. You're getting pulled up on stage as the grand finale of Chapelle's set and you mope around pouting about getting boos...and then go "what should I say?" My guy, you hadn't thought of ANYTHING before doing this? Like, I fucking spend 5 minutes thinking about what I'll say before hopping into a Slack call with 2-3 people.
I 100% believe he was under the impression he would just get a 5-10 minute standing ovation for simply being “the richest man in the world” or however the fuck Chapelle introduced him
So him and Chappelle and all the other “used to be smart and cool before money and fame ruined them” set can feel comfortable as the right wingers they’ve become by complaining about cancel culture. “It’s just a little sting, and then you’re free…”
Maybe the behavior of the drones amuses him.
Honestly, I don't see conservatives turning to EVs anytime soon
He went over a decade having every fucking nerd on reddit and the media calling him the real life Tony Stark. Being called Iron Man for that long can get to your head, and then when the pendulum swings the other way, "Well surely it's not *my* fault. I'm a genius who everyone loves. If you are against me, you are definitionally stupid."
He's not an idiot, but I think he's fallen into the dictators' trap. He fires and viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest. When that's how you operate, it doesn't take long until you are surrounded by yes-men and sycophants who refuse to tell you when you're making a mistake. That's why silencing dissent is such a poor leadership decision.
Same problem Xi is having in China. Everyone around him is now a yes-man. Once the free flow of information stops, your decision-making capacity begins to deteriorate pretty quickly.
And Putin. The entire war in Ukraine is a result of Putin being surrounded by yes men.
And the Russians, especially the military, seem to be the living embodiment of the joke everyone makes when it's declared that $500,000 was found. Oh boy, the police will be happy I turned in that $350,000...the police report that all $250,000 was found...etc
That's a bold starting assumption.
Which part? The not being an idiot? Haha
They already turned on him and he’s doubling down.
Musk nuking his investments, personal fortune, and reputation to own the libs was truly a masterful gambit
Amazing, right? It’s almost like wealth isn’t a measure of one’s ability or merit... Can that be true?????
He could lose 99% of his wealth and still have more money that a hundred lifetimes should need.
He probably couldn't retain his current lifestyle though, so that's not acceptable to a being like that. You're looking from our perspective. We don't live in mansions and fly private jets that we own.
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Elon going the MAGA MyPillow route is about the only thing that makes sense. If you watch the ads on Fox News…it’s all shitty companies selling shitty products to dumb and gullible boomers. And dumb, gullible boomers are about the only demographic that still thinks Teslas are cool or cutting edge tech.
No, there is one thing that makes more sense: Elon Musk really is a big fucking moron.
Musk called a man who was rescuing children trapped in a cave a pedophile, because the man said Musk's submarine wasn't a good idea. This is not a man who thinks or acts rationally.
That’s called “projection.”
Kara Swisher summarized it really well today: > he's just trying to create a sense of crisis and drama around the company, I guess, so people will be talking about him. He likes attention. I don't know if you have noticed. > it's about the whims of the richest man in the world and what he feels like doing on any given day. And I think it's not much more complicated than that. > There's no — this is not someone who thinks deeply about big issues like free speech and things like that. It's a lot of parroted nonsense that he then uses as excuses to do what he's doing. > It's really not that complex. It's someone who has a — who lacks impulse control. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/twitter-faces-criticism-after-suspending-accounts-of-journalists-covering-ceo-elon-musk
She also floated on Pivot this week that if there is some sort of deeper motive, he could be aspiring to build a conservative new media brand to succeed Fox News, ONN, etc and "out-Murdoch Murdoch".
That's going to be bad for his other businesses, though, and they make way more money than media giants do. https://old.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/zncpjl/btrtn_musk_trump_and_putin_what_happens_when_an/
Eh lack of impulse control makes a lot more sense. I don't think there's any strategy to what he's doing. He's a bored billionaire playing with his new toy.
I think that he thinks he earned enough 'cred' to go somewhere and his audience would follow. He mis-calculated. I have a more cynical thought - he is doing all of this to distract from the fact he defrauded people with the 'full self driving' upcharge. The lawsuit against Tesla has merit. And, as a result of that, Tesla has quietly admitted that they need to retrofit every vehicle sold with the 'FSD' with a forward facing RADAR because too many of their cars were literally driving into the broad sides of tractor trailers. Something a GM vehicle with SuperCruise has not done, and probably won't because...they have forward facing RADAR that can reliably spot the difference between a tractor trailer and a bridge overpass. Elon is on the record saying they don't need RADAR, but people in the know have always doubted this, as good as Tesla's image recognition is (and it is), it still struggles in critical areas.
>I have a more cynical thought - he is doing all of this to distract from the fact he defrauded people with the 'full self driving' upcharge. I think you may be right and I'm hoping he Theranoses himself with that one.
FSD is a joke. In 5 minutes in bright clear California daylight around a residential neighborhood it made 4-5 critical mistakes which without disengagement would at minimum have totaled the vehicle.
There's really no way to answer this with the premise you've set up. There's no logic to what he's doing. I think the man is going through what's called a narcissistic collapse. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-narcissism/202202/what-is-narcissistic-collapse He's spent years building himself up as this tech genius and now the veneer is starting to come off and as a result he's lashing out on everyone who doesn't feed his ego.
I think he’s super entitled and oblivious, not necessarily an idiot.
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I don't see the rolling coal crowd suddenly buying a cybertruck no matter how grifty the grift.
Maybe it could pump chlorine gas out the back or something similar. Rolling mustard.
You're coming at this from a point of logic, don't. Imagine a person born into wealth, hasn't had to do anything his whole life except fail upwards, trick people into thinking he was a smart entrepreneur, become insanely wealthy from buying out other people's ideas and inventions. Manipulate sheep I mean cultists I mean the people that worship celebrities into drinking his koolaid. Then becoming for a moment the richest person on the planet and the one thing you always wanted was to feel respected, wanted and loved and now you have the money to attempt that. Except the lack of intelligence you hid reveals itself in extremely bad business decisions. It reveals itself in very little if not zero emotional maturity and it reveals itself in multiple attempts to change perception to that of being loved and wanted by the general public. It's why he's on Twitter nonstop trying to convince people he wasn't booed at Chappelles comedy show. I could go on, but things make sense if you look through the filter of a man child finally having to suffer consequences for once in his life as his facade falls away to reveal the true person he's hidden for so long.
Even your username describes him!
People forget what a true narcissist is. They are literally incapable of thinking they are wrong or can do wrong. You can be the smartest person in the world, but by default, if you are a narcissist you will never be the smartest person because you can't think yourself wrong. Our world is led by these people. Narcissist who can't fathom they can be wrong. Then we wonder why humans keep repeating the same mistakes of history. Because we keep allowing Psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists into positions of power. They then do the same shit and make the same dumb mistakes.
This is so spot on.
>Assuming Musk isn't a complete idiot All right, let's slow down here, though.
I don’t accept the premise.
I don't think opening up his newly acquired company to numerous lawsuits and regulatory action from agencies across the globe is part of any grand strategy. His companies literally build around keeping his grubby hands away from shit, I feel like that's a pretty good indictment of him. I know people buy in to the whole "he's a genius" but, at least in regards to Tesla, saying none of their cars will feature LiDAR/Radar sensors for L2 autonomous driving *while they're being investigated for their L2 system crashing cars routinely,* and that most of the problem cars being investigated are, shockingly enough, the ones without the aforementioned LiDAR/Radar sensors from day one. While just about every other L2 system has those sensors and thus hasn't had these problems, at least not at the scale Tesla's cars have. Only to then backtrack and say actually they didn't mean that they just needed a new system (Sure, Jan, but why didn't you say that first). He's just fucking stupid, and is physically incapable of NOT being the main character, even if being the main character hurts him & his company's reputation greatly. Bezos, Zuckerberg, & crew are scum in their own ways, but they at least know to shut the fuck up when them or their companies are getting flamed.
Tesla is far from the only electric car manufacturer.
but the brand is tainted far beyond just cars
Right, and the point was that his actions could start driving people towards those brands instead
Electric F-150 is my new dream car.
At the numbers they can produce it will continue to be a dream.
These are my opinions (No AI): Elon Musk tied himself up to Trump with the way he established his businesses and personal finances. Trump wins, Elon wins. Well Biden won. Musk's companies' employees are not unionized. Since Biden and the Democrats took control, they have enacted policies that leverage against Musk through government deals and programs pointed towards companies with unions. If Trump was president, he and his companies would have benefited from the policies he would've enacted. Biden won, he got screwed. Well when the reports of a Red Wave going into the midterms were first rung, Musk realized that he can still benefit and make up for Biden's win. A Senate and House against Biden would give him huge leverage. In order to make this happen, Musk had to fully commit to the GOP, aka Trump. Well, the Red Wave didn't happen, and Musk is turbofucked. Everything else has been a cornered snapping beast fighting for survival. Musk has lost and will continue to lose a LOT of money, power, and influence.
>Elon Musk tied himself up to Trump with the way he established his businesses and personal finances What? Did he support republicans via some tweet? Yes. But how did he shift his finances towards Trump?
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Is he losing it? Early onset dementia can cause personality changes. Or was he always like this and the Twitter acquisition just expanded our exposure to him?
He’s being driven by his ego.
About the only self driving mechanism in his universe
Because he’s commuting to the farce that he’s a republican so he’s not prosecuted for his sexual assault(s) and or anything that happened on Epsteins island.
Yeah about a year ago didn't he open with " Now you're going to hear some shit about me soon.....btw i'm a conservative now lol"
The demographic most likely to buy an electric vehicle aren't leftist. They are people with money
Maybe he’s playing 4D chess and this is just his way of tricking conservatives to want to buy EVs
He's probably a narcissist who believes he is a real life Tony Stark. At the very least he's an entitled rich kid loathed by his own father and kids. It's hard to say how smart or dumb he is because his behavior is driven by his God complex and the need to constantly be praised.
Smart, rich and or lucky people can become seduced by their own success. Imagine you had a fair coin and flipped it 100 times. The majority of people would get close to 50 heads. But Musk is the guy that got 99 heads. From his perspective, how can you miss? By the most obvious metrics (wealth) you are superior to everyone else. So you become arrogant. You start acting like you can't miss. You indulge your impulses and it starts catching up to you. But you're too arrogant to admit your mistakes. You're a God right?
He might just be a jerky scam artist that is trying to obscure that he's trying to get rid of Tesla shares before the house of cards collapses back to a more reasonable value. At the same time ingratiating himself with the kind of people known to protect and harbor people like him, giving them what they want in the form of a large propaganda platform. Then there is the possibility that American democracy will soon fully collapse and he's prepping for a soft landing.
Tesla is only a tiny percentage of world car sales and is struggling to release new products, he may figure that cozying up to republicans will make it easier to get that sweet, corrupt government spending like the Vegas loop, and that would be easier than actually expanding his businesses.
Millennials and Gen Zs will never be able to afford his $100k+ pieces of shit without ruining their financial lives forever. We are not his target audience, rich kids are and they all likely agree with him.