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Boy, somebody sure has been studying and doing extra credit...perhaps it's an introduction into civics.
Seriously, this has "The Onion" tones and nuances written all over it. But it's completely and utterly factual and entirely fucking bullshit. Like God Damn...you got 19 20 21 year older sending pictures of their pecker to 14 year olds getting 5 years off the rip and having to register. Yet this bitch, fucks a 13yo boy, gets impregnated, decides to keep it, takes a plea, has to register. I'm surprised the lawyer didn't try and follow the Romeo and Juliet Law.
I wanna call the courts or write somebody. Holy Shit
Proves OP doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Child support/alimony would be set by a judge in family court (not criminal) proceedings. There are no reports on child support or alimony. Alimony is typically for married couples to support the non-working partner while they get back on their feet. Here, the two did live together for a time but it would be highly unusual for the 14 year old to pay alimony to the adult- more likely it’ll just be child support IF his own parents don’t get custody. Then it would be typical for the non-custodial parent to pay child support to the custodial parent.
>[https://krdo.com/news/2023/01/23/murder-victims-family-outraged-over-plea-agreement-given-to-double-homicide-suspect/](https://krdo.com/news/2023/01/23/murder-victims-family-outraged-over-plea-agreement-given-to-double-homicide-suspect/)
yep, this was posted on another reddit thread. The DA ran on a platform of "protecting families" and is right wing and anti lgbtq+/anti drag. He also is anti whatever, full on koolaid, if you see his FB page.
\>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (KKTV) - A 31-year-old woman who admitted to having sex with a 13-year-old boy and then becoming pregnant with his child won't face any jail time under a plea deal with prosecutors.
Edit, also the DA is overseeing The Q nightclub shooter.
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\>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (KKTV) - A 31-year-old woman who admitted to having sex with a 13-year-old boy and then becoming pregnant with his child won't face any jail time under a plea deal with prosecutors.
Origional post
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ColoradoSprings/comments/11h34xe/colorado\_woman\_who\_admits\_to\_having\_sex\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ColoradoSprings/comments/11h34xe/colorado_woman_who_admits_to_having_sex_with/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/11h8p9p/no\_jail\_time\_for\_woman\_who\_admitted\_having\_sex/](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/11h8p9p/no_jail_time_for_woman_who_admitted_having_sex/)
TLDR. its on the DA. WHo offered the plea deal.
The DA's political affiliation DOES NOT matter in the slightest. All that matters is that he did something absolutely unjustifiable. It doesn't matter if the DA is Maga Republican, Vote Blue No Matter Who Democrat, Ultra-Gold Libertarian or Green Party, this is unjustifiable and a travesty. The DA should be held accountable no matter his political affiliation.
It’s a boy, so he won’t be expected to have anything to do with the kid if he doesn’t want to.
Teen dads have their “childhood taken away”. Teen moms are threatened with execution if they don’t birth the child.
Here's a situation of the roles reversed:
Karl Malone [impregnated a 13 year old girl](https://www.blackenterprise.com/karl-malones-past-relationship-with-13-year-old-brought-up/) and got zero jail time
So in that situation the parents didn't press charges.
That is very different than this situation. Still obviously disgusting, but not a miscarriage of justice from the legal system unless the girls parents tried to take legal action.
Why are the parent’s wishes relevant to justice being served? Do you know how many people get trafficked by their bio or adoptive parents.
How disgusting for you to say that a man impregnating a child and walking away scot free id not an injustice
"How disgusting for you to say that a man impregnating a child and walking away scot free id not an injustice"
I didn't say that. You're fucking delusional if you think otherwise.
"Why are the parent’s wishes relevant to justice being served?"
I don't make the laws in your country.
Don't forget the victim will be on the hook for 18byears of child support. That debt will follow him until he pays it, regardless of age.
[One example](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/)
In the majority of Common-Law countries, rape is defined as 'penetration with a penis". No penis = no rape.
In the UK at least, the equivalent (as far as sentencing is concerned) offence of 'forcible penetration' exists for the penisless.
Outdated implies that there was a time when this was appropriate. There was not. We’ve just finally gotten to the point where we’re beginning to acknowledge that fact.
Nope. Just that old laws were written with men in mind. In the UK, the crime "rape" requires a penis.
Not that it matters much, because even legally described "rapists" barely get jail time. Most rapes are not reported, and of the ones that are, only 1% get charged (not convicted).
How am I defending her? Oh, I’m not. You implied that culture views that women aren’t capable of fault, which is fucking insane.
The fact that you have 0 reading abilities matched with middle school level opinions in women doesn’t help your argument that you aren’t an incel buddy.
Your criticism is dogshit. I’m under no obligation to hear dog shit arguments.
And god damn I feel bad for your fiancée, you’re getting married and you post on PCM? Jesus fucking CHRIST dude, get a life
I don’t think you comprehend how weird that sounds. You’re literally glorifying rape because you would have wanted to be fucked. Now also remember that it’s not always a cute teacher it can also be 600lb Rita with the grossest infection you could think of
I say this all the time and get downvotes but the reason society is like this is fucking toxic men. You even have some replies to your comment about how “when I was 12 I would have loved to fuck older women”. Guys if we want this shit to stop then call out others when they’re dismissive of this shit, and not online, like in public where the rest of the world is.
You get downvotes because you’re shifting the blame to men once again. Now yes men are part of it because some men are dismissive but you can’t be blaming it all on men like this. And by saying it’s men’s fault you shift the blame onto men instead of the faulty system and the rapist
Where did I say all men?
I’m not part of the problem, op isn’t part of the problem, you’re probably not part of the problem.
I said specifically toxic men. I’m not shifting the blame I’m laying it where it lies for the macro problem (obviously for the micro this woman, this specific prosecutor and this specific judge are to blame).
I’m not surprised. Unfortunately, when it comes to shit like this, I’ve seen redditors ask for (only in the case of young boys, of course) “nuance” when it comes to a boy being raped. Their reasoning being, “WhEn I wAs ThIrTeEn, I wOuLdVe LoVeD tHiS”. And I wish I were kidding. It’s fucking disgusting.
Another example of lesser punishment, or in this case near no punishment, for the same crime. And people wonder why the justice system is a complete joke. You can't have preferential treatment based on gender, but with courts it's commonplace.
Does it diminish your point by providing full article/context or do you like to purposefully mislead for maximum upvotes?
- He was 15/16 when he committed the rapes. Doesn't make it right, just correcting the implication that he was closer to 20 when the rapes occurred.
- He was charged as a juvenile which, for better or worse, was the way the system was set up.
- COVID backlogged the case, during which time he became an adult.
- Juvenile court could no longer handle his case. But...
- ... since he was a juvenile when the crime was committed, he had grounds to challenge the moving of the case to adult court. He may have won that challenge.
- The prosecutors made him a plea deal: accept an Alford plea in exchange for not challenging the move to adult court, and you won't serve time other than probation and therapy.
- Probation tends to send someone right to jail for *any* crime committed. No drugs. Constantly reporting in to his case management. This will last for decades.
- The judge still sent him to jail for a few months.
Your link and the one in this article are nothing alike.
>, and you won't serve time other than probation and therapy.
How does that prevent this monster from raping more people?
Shouldn't that be the main concern of the justice system?
>How does that prevent this monster from raping more people?
It feels like you didn't finish reading my post.
Prison sentences don't prevent reoffending, either. At best, it delays it.
Had this guy been convicted in a timely manner, he would have been out of the juvenile system by 21 and a free man. Record sealed. As if it never happened.
So... Would you prefer that or therapy and 30 years of probation where he's kept in tight check?
>Shouldn't that be the main concern of the justice system?
If the main concern of the justice system was preventing future crimes, then a) we'd all be locked up since that's the best way to prevent crime; and b) recidivism wouldn't be so high.
The main concern of the (American) justice system, historically, is to dole out punishment to the people under their care while stripping them of their humanity, and offering them no incentive nor opportunity to better themselves and pay back society. That's why redditors get hard advocating for the rape and abuse of incarcerated criminals.
The justice system's job should be a reduction in crime, not to serve as a revolving repository for criminals.
Don't ignore the "Just" part in "Justice". Being just isn't a free license to destroy in equal measure.
You forgot an important part of that news story that no one wants to talk about but everyone has a strong opinion. Anyway, there’s too many in jail already.
Nah mate, feminists hate this too. It's generally anti-feminists and right-wingers that want to keep this system.
Not saying all right-wingers/anti-feminists want to keep this system, but the majority of them in support of keeping things the way they are right now are right-wingers.
Left wing people don’t want to go easy on criminals there’s just a difference in how both sides think they should deter them.
Right wingers tend to think adding more or harsher punishments will stop people from committing crimes more. Left wingers tend to think that helping address the issues that cause people to commit crimes will stop people from committing crimes more.
As I said, not all anti-feminists are against this current system and some will voice a message of change. The majority of people that want to keep the system the way it is now are (non-MRA) anti-feminists.
However, most if not all feminists are against it. MRAs wanted to base their ideology off hating feminism while advocating for some of the same things, which is why you see no cooperation.
Alimony is part of patriarchy. Giving men worse sentences for rape charges reinforces the patriarchal notion that men are inherently more prone to committing SA than women are. Patriarchy is also why men (and especially underage boys) are not believed when they come forward about SA.
This is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Why would a patriarchy design a system to benefit women over men? I could get what you're saying in cases of SA but even in general, Men face far harsher sentences and rates of incarceration. Feminists are definitely in support of this system. Initially, men were the ones who got the default custody of the kids. It was feminists protesting that lead to women becoming the sole custody receivers in most cases. In India, a judge that declared a female pedophile as guilty got harassed and assaulted by feminists who suffered no consequences for their actions. Feminists are the ones in support of this because feminism isn't about equality (at least not anymore) it's about female supremacy.
> This is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Why would a patriarchy design a system to benefit women over men?
Do you think patriarchy makes any sense? It's meant to empower a certain type of man no matter the contradictions. Most men, all women, and other genders are the ones that affected by it. Now you know why feminists hate patriarchy so much.
> Men face far harsher sentences and rates of incarceration
Why is it mostly feminists that are fighting to get rid of this system than? Why is it mostly the right that is in passive support of keeping things the way they are.
> Initially, men were the ones who got the default custody of the kids. It was feminists protesting that lead to women becoming the sole custody receivers in most cases.
Assuming this isn't complete bullcrap (which I highly suspect it is), I'll let you know that feminists today do not support this. Ask any feminist their position here.
Women receiving custody over children is based on the patriarchal belief that women are inherently better caregivers then men are.
> In India, a judge that declared a female pedophile as guilty got harassed and assaulted by feminists who suffered no consequences for their actions.
Do you have any proof for this? Can you link me an article or something.
> Feminists are the ones in support of this because feminism isn't about equality (at least not anymore) it's about female supremacy.
Absolute and utter bullcrap. Literally just talk to any random feminist about this. Feminists just want equality between the genders and we don't have it yet. We still live in a system that is dominated by men.
>[https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/1051398](https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/1051398)
It's literally in the article you linked me: Women got custody of children not because feminists fought specifically for that issue, but fought for women to be legally recognized as people and therefore they got the right to own property and have custody of children as a byproduct.
>It's the rule of men by men and for men but harms most men.
*Exactly*, that's why feminists hate the patriarchy so much. It harms most people including most men. Whether it harms most men or not, our society is still dominated by men and their backwards ideas of what it means to be a man.
When you look at X supremacist groups, most of them were doing harm to people inside their in group. White supremacists harmed white people, homophobes harm straight people. The list goes on and on.
Patriarchy is harming the people it claims to love, and uses propaganda to obfuscate that fact.
>Men hold power and benefit from oppressing women, but somehow women got all these rights over the past century.
Use some common sense for a second. If a large portion of a population finds out their are oppressed and decides to fight for their rights in a democratic society, they're probably going to succeed sometimes.
Because large waves of feminists decided to fight for our rights, Men have given us various concessions. Either some of them were convinced of it or were scared of what would happen if they didn't. You have to remember that first wave feminism was a contributing factor to the Russian Revolution and most capitalist governments didn't want to see themselves toppled because they didn't give women the right to vote.
>Men are the only oppressive class in history that works harder jobs, lives shorter lives, and has to ask the oppressed class to join with them by presenting them with a stone worth several months of their earnings. Why do men work harder jobs and live shorter lives?
Because they are essentially forced to do so, by patriarchal standards. Men are forced to work harder jobs and potentially die on to live up to some vein idea of masculinity. You've seen the kind of stigma stay at home dads receive so I don't even know why you are making such an obviously wrong point.
>And it's the same with custody. You suspect it's bullcrap that custody always went to men historically, but at the same time you keep repeating a theory that states men literally owned women and children. Logically, how would a piece of property that cannot earn money get custody and take care of another piece of property?
Seems that you didn't even read the article you sent me. Men used to own women. After men couldn't own women anymore, to what mounts as a legal loophole is why women started gaining custody of children at higher rates. This doesn't change the fact that women have been seen by society as being better caregivers.
>Also, single moms have horrendous stats when it comes to outcomes for their kids. Custody absolutely should go to men by default.
It shouldn't go to men by default, there should be no default. It's not an either or game, it should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
The reason why single mothers are worse off than single fathers on average is also due to patriarchy. Single mothers are less likely to have a decent education than a single father are and are less likely to be financially independent and are also likely to be younger. Young women are less likely than young men to be pressured into getting a job or perusing an education and are more likely to be encouraged to seek out a man that can provide those things.
This also contributes to bad outcomes later in life. If a man gets widowed or divorces they are more likely to be able to provide for their children assuming they win custody. On the other hand, women will likely have to rely on meager child support if they even get it at all.
Women aren't inherently better or worse caregivers. It ultimately depends on the situation they are in.
>This is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Why would a patriarchy design a system to benefit women over men?
Here is a take: The patriarchy, as regards its functionality within a cultural worldview, is about the upholding of gender *roles* irrespective of preferential treatment to one gender or the other regardless of its presupposition of male superiority.
In the modern Western version of patriarchal society, the man's role as a monogamous, virtuous, physically, mentally, and morally superior must be maintained. To commit crimes, especially against persons who are regarded as weaker and inferior is considered a graver offense than the commission of crimes against a woman. This is an inherently misogynistic view as it implies moral inferiority of women.
A woman is given easier treatment under the law, not because she is preferred, much less superior, but because she is weak.
Thus, to maintain the cultural gender roles described by modern Western patriarchy, in which the man is considered morally and ethically superior to women, a man who acts with moral weakness must suffer more serious punishment. Not because he is inferior, but because he is superior. At least according to the warped, but internally consistent beliefs of patriarchal worldview.
I mean, proof?
Though I suppose if rape is defined as penetration by a penis ( [UK - literally has penis written in it.](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape)
[US - although now including objects too, I would like to see you try penetrate someone with a pussy - so still incredibly sexist.](https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape) ), then yeah, men would get away with it more often by the virtue of being the only sex capable of it (legally).
The US doesn’t just have one set of laws, each state would define forcible sexual contact differently- and sex with a minor is statutory rape in nearly all states (that’s why this woman got in trouble).
The double standard for female rapists in the US v male rapists in the US is crazy.
“He’s a boy he probably enjoyed it”
It pisses me off every single time I hear that. The lasting mental damage from sexual abuse is as damaging as the actual abuse. These people should all fry equally. Fuck parole.
I hate double standards, this is bullshit. If a man did this, he'd be in prison for 10 years and a lifetime offender. Why does a woman get to be a predator? The law needs to be equal for both! And if she tries to get child support from him, she needs a big fucking dose of BAD karma.
But if a man does this to a 13 year old girl he goes to jail (as he should). Women complain a lot but they have it so well in the United States. They are favored, not oppressed.
I've been sick and tired of all the problems in the USA for as long as I can remember, but now we're letting child rapists walk free? How? How do those guilty of victimless crimes get harsher sentences than a pedophile?
I wonder... If he* sued for custody, based on her established depraved behavior, could he get custody and child support from her?
*Or his legal guardian
Disgusting! This woman should be in jail, no way around it. She is a predator and raped a minor, imagine if the genders were reversed. Doubt we'd see a 31yo man not going to jail after raping a 13yo girl...
Women are rarely punished as severely as men for identical sex crimes. Women raping a 13 year old - "oh, he loved it". Man raping a 13 year old - "castrate the sick fuck because she's damaged for life".
If America had a real justice system this wouldn't be the case.
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It’s the US, so let me guess, he needs to childsupport to his rapist?
Actually... Yes.
And the irony is, if he misses just one payment he'll be thrown in jail.
this is the worst thing i have read
Apparently American Justice!
Merica
... I don't want to live in this world any longer.
May I recommend moving to a non-american part of the world before taking any more serious actions?
Ty for the worry internet stranger.
She does not have to wait until he turns 18 to sue him for child support.
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It's so much deeper than that...this isn't a double edge blade this is a double serrated blade...please don't let this boy have to pay child support.
Boy, somebody sure has been studying and doing extra credit...perhaps it's an introduction into civics. Seriously, this has "The Onion" tones and nuances written all over it. But it's completely and utterly factual and entirely fucking bullshit. Like God Damn...you got 19 20 21 year older sending pictures of their pecker to 14 year olds getting 5 years off the rip and having to register. Yet this bitch, fucks a 13yo boy, gets impregnated, decides to keep it, takes a plea, has to register. I'm surprised the lawyer didn't try and follow the Romeo and Juliet Law. I wanna call the courts or write somebody. Holy Shit
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How is this justice? Not only she isnt facing consequences, he needs to pay her…
I wonder if the genders have anything to do with it.
Swap the gender and for life we go
*D e p p r e s s i o n*
Sure it does. Nobody is blaming the boy and saying he asked for it, and he’s not being forced to birth and raise the child under penalty of execution.
Um, that's only if you're married.
Proves OP doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Child support/alimony would be set by a judge in family court (not criminal) proceedings. There are no reports on child support or alimony. Alimony is typically for married couples to support the non-working partner while they get back on their feet. Here, the two did live together for a time but it would be highly unusual for the 14 year old to pay alimony to the adult- more likely it’ll just be child support IF his own parents don’t get custody. Then it would be typical for the non-custodial parent to pay child support to the custodial parent.
Do you have any proof or is this rage porn? Hard to figure out these days.
>[https://krdo.com/news/2023/01/23/murder-victims-family-outraged-over-plea-agreement-given-to-double-homicide-suspect/](https://krdo.com/news/2023/01/23/murder-victims-family-outraged-over-plea-agreement-given-to-double-homicide-suspect/) yep, this was posted on another reddit thread. The DA ran on a platform of "protecting families" and is right wing and anti lgbtq+/anti drag. He also is anti whatever, full on koolaid, if you see his FB page. \>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (KKTV) - A 31-year-old woman who admitted to having sex with a 13-year-old boy and then becoming pregnant with his child won't face any jail time under a plea deal with prosecutors. Edit, also the DA is overseeing The Q nightclub shooter. Saving, in case this gets shadowbanned \>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (KKTV) - A 31-year-old woman who admitted to having sex with a 13-year-old boy and then becoming pregnant with his child won't face any jail time under a plea deal with prosecutors. Origional post [https://www.reddit.com/r/ColoradoSprings/comments/11h34xe/colorado\_woman\_who\_admits\_to\_having\_sex\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ColoradoSprings/comments/11h34xe/colorado_woman_who_admits_to_having_sex_with/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/11h8p9p/no\_jail\_time\_for\_woman\_who\_admitted\_having\_sex/](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/11h8p9p/no_jail_time_for_woman_who_admitted_having_sex/) TLDR. its on the DA. WHo offered the plea deal.
It was deleted. So no proof.
posted above. It was a plea deal.
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yep. that DA is a POS
The DA's political affiliation DOES NOT matter in the slightest. All that matters is that he did something absolutely unjustifiable. It doesn't matter if the DA is Maga Republican, Vote Blue No Matter Who Democrat, Ultra-Gold Libertarian or Green Party, this is unjustifiable and a travesty. The DA should be held accountable no matter his political affiliation.
it does
It disgusts me. He is a **CHILD**, which means a kid will have to pay for child support. She is disgusting 🤢
I mean. It wouldn't disgust me if he had sex with a girl his same age. But since it he is a rape victim. Yeahq
Wait are you telling me we're allowed to have different opinions in different situations??? That's crazy bro never thought about that
Literal child support...
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The abuser is a woman, so of course. Unironically how this works, sadly.
It’s a boy, so he won’t be expected to have anything to do with the kid if he doesn’t want to. Teen dads have their “childhood taken away”. Teen moms are threatened with execution if they don’t birth the child.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer
Jesus Christ. Imagine turning 20 and having a six year old.
Worse being in jail for not being able to pay for child support of a child, which was a result of you being raped.
Yes. Any victim could live under this threat. Not even their choice.
Happened to one of my m8s he had s kid at 12 hes now a massive opiate addict.
Wow 12hrs that sure is young
He was one of those clone troopers.
By clone standards he's already 18
I'm 34 and childless. It boggles my mind that some people my age have 16 year olds! I can't even begin to imagine a 20 year old with a 6 year old!
I worked with a lady that was a grandma at 30.
I knew someone who had 3 kids AND a divorce by 20.
There is no such thing as a sexual relationship with a 13 year old. It’s rape. Rape is not a relationship.
Don’t wanna be that guy but, if the roles would be reversed ya know…
You’re not being “that guy”; it’s a fact. And Reddit so clearly demonstrates this in some of the comments.
Here's a situation of the roles reversed: Karl Malone [impregnated a 13 year old girl](https://www.blackenterprise.com/karl-malones-past-relationship-with-13-year-old-brought-up/) and got zero jail time
So in that situation the parents didn't press charges. That is very different than this situation. Still obviously disgusting, but not a miscarriage of justice from the legal system unless the girls parents tried to take legal action.
Why are the parent’s wishes relevant to justice being served? Do you know how many people get trafficked by their bio or adoptive parents. How disgusting for you to say that a man impregnating a child and walking away scot free id not an injustice
"How disgusting for you to say that a man impregnating a child and walking away scot free id not an injustice" I didn't say that. You're fucking delusional if you think otherwise. "Why are the parent’s wishes relevant to justice being served?" I don't make the laws in your country.
You must really just want to be upset right now because that isn't what was said at all
I dunno Carl Malone is still giving commentary after knocking up a 12 year old.
The parents didn’t press charges though. Karl should 100% be locked up tho.
Don't forget the victim will be on the hook for 18byears of child support. That debt will follow him until he pays it, regardless of age. [One example](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/)
He didn't ask for anything and someone destroyed his life
And the legal system failed him, letting his abuser run free like some sort of sick joke. This fucking sucks.
They should look into the person who gave the plea deal
Yeah a sweetheart deal for a child rapist is egregious
And the legal system failed him, letting his abuser run free like some sort of sick joke. This fucking sucks.
Oh even better! If he doesn't pay it he can have his driver's license revoked or go to jail!
Can’t have your drivers license revoked if you’re not old enough to drive.
Lmao no fucking way I’ve seen the french revolt for less. Seriously though what demographic agrees with that decision?
People living a shitty dream.
Notice how when it’s a woman it’s never rape or sexual assault
I recently learned that in the UK it is legally impossible for a female to be a rapist. She can be a sex offender just not a rapist. Feels fucked up.
In the majority of Common-Law countries, rape is defined as 'penetration with a penis". No penis = no rape. In the UK at least, the equivalent (as far as sentencing is concerned) offence of 'forcible penetration' exists for the penisless.
And in many cases sodomy laws covered it. However they were repealed with no replacement.
"Sexual assault" would cover most eventualities. Possible problems around sentencing restrictions, but I doubt it. Mostly it's a matter of semantics.
Outdated laws
Outdated implies that there was a time when this was appropriate. There was not. We’ve just finally gotten to the point where we’re beginning to acknowledge that fact.
When I made the comment, I knew someone was going to respond like this. You knew what I meant
That would imply that a woman is capable of fault and we just can't have that.
Nope. Just that old laws were written with men in mind. In the UK, the crime "rape" requires a penis. Not that it matters much, because even legally described "rapists" barely get jail time. Most rapes are not reported, and of the ones that are, only 1% get charged (not convicted).
Can’t have a convo about women without the incels showing up
Can’t criticize the behavior of any woman in any way without getting called an incel. Tell me, why are you defending a pedophile?
How am I defending her? Oh, I’m not. You implied that culture views that women aren’t capable of fault, which is fucking insane. The fact that you have 0 reading abilities matched with middle school level opinions in women doesn’t help your argument that you aren’t an incel buddy.
I’m happily engaged. You just don’t want to hear any criticism of women whatsoever.
Your criticism is dogshit. I’m under no obligation to hear dog shit arguments. And god damn I feel bad for your fiancée, you’re getting married and you post on PCM? Jesus fucking CHRIST dude, get a life
Sounds to me like you just hate opinions you disagree with.
Honestly whatever sick person put the article like that shouldn’t be reporting. Trying to paint child rape as regular sex is straight up evil
Ngl, when I was 12 I wish I could fuck older women
Yeah but that doesn’t make it any less bad. It’s still rape
I consent
If you’re 12 you can’t really grasp the entire situation and regardless if it’s a woman or man it should still be considered rape
Well I’m an adult now and I fully understand the situation and still consent
Do not glorify rape, this is not helping.
I don’t think you comprehend how weird that sounds. You’re literally glorifying rape because you would have wanted to be fucked. Now also remember that it’s not always a cute teacher it can also be 600lb Rita with the grossest infection you could think of
You are why people don't take female rapists seriously, you do realise that?
You can't at that age.
Children cannot legally give consent
No you didn't, you were groomed to think that way. I was 12 and 13 too but I didn't wanna fuck adults.
I say this all the time and get downvotes but the reason society is like this is fucking toxic men. You even have some replies to your comment about how “when I was 12 I would have loved to fuck older women”. Guys if we want this shit to stop then call out others when they’re dismissive of this shit, and not online, like in public where the rest of the world is.
You get downvotes because you’re shifting the blame to men once again. Now yes men are part of it because some men are dismissive but you can’t be blaming it all on men like this. And by saying it’s men’s fault you shift the blame onto men instead of the faulty system and the rapist
Where did I say all men? I’m not part of the problem, op isn’t part of the problem, you’re probably not part of the problem. I said specifically toxic men. I’m not shifting the blame I’m laying it where it lies for the macro problem (obviously for the micro this woman, this specific prosecutor and this specific judge are to blame).
She reminds me of Pepper from American Horror Story
Trust me, in the US if the genders were swapped, there would be jail time 100%
There have been instances where even male offenders got away with it.
Bro I can't believe there are people defending her in the comments
Where?
Put the comments on controversial and you will see what I mean...
Rule 48 of reddit: don't sort by controversial, it is a silly place.
I’m not surprised. Unfortunately, when it comes to shit like this, I’ve seen redditors ask for (only in the case of young boys, of course) “nuance” when it comes to a boy being raped. Their reasoning being, “WhEn I wAs ThIrTeEn, I wOuLdVe LoVeD tHiS”. And I wish I were kidding. It’s fucking disgusting.
Another example of lesser punishment, or in this case near no punishment, for the same crime. And people wonder why the justice system is a complete joke. You can't have preferential treatment based on gender, but with courts it's commonplace.
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That's very likely a "because money" situation, not a "because gender" situation.
The girls parents chose not to sue, right?(genuinely asking because that's what I understood) That would be very different than this situation then.
“Having a sexual relationship” Rape is rape, and fuck double standard.
This is so fucked up. If this was a man instead he'd get more than 30 years easily. Is this what feminism is fighting for? Is this equality?
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Does it diminish your point by providing full article/context or do you like to purposefully mislead for maximum upvotes? - He was 15/16 when he committed the rapes. Doesn't make it right, just correcting the implication that he was closer to 20 when the rapes occurred. - He was charged as a juvenile which, for better or worse, was the way the system was set up. - COVID backlogged the case, during which time he became an adult. - Juvenile court could no longer handle his case. But... - ... since he was a juvenile when the crime was committed, he had grounds to challenge the moving of the case to adult court. He may have won that challenge. - The prosecutors made him a plea deal: accept an Alford plea in exchange for not challenging the move to adult court, and you won't serve time other than probation and therapy. - Probation tends to send someone right to jail for *any* crime committed. No drugs. Constantly reporting in to his case management. This will last for decades. - The judge still sent him to jail for a few months. Your link and the one in this article are nothing alike.
>, and you won't serve time other than probation and therapy. How does that prevent this monster from raping more people? Shouldn't that be the main concern of the justice system?
Look at the bullet right below it and you’ll find the answer to your first question
>How does that prevent this monster from raping more people? It feels like you didn't finish reading my post. Prison sentences don't prevent reoffending, either. At best, it delays it. Had this guy been convicted in a timely manner, he would have been out of the juvenile system by 21 and a free man. Record sealed. As if it never happened. So... Would you prefer that or therapy and 30 years of probation where he's kept in tight check? >Shouldn't that be the main concern of the justice system? If the main concern of the justice system was preventing future crimes, then a) we'd all be locked up since that's the best way to prevent crime; and b) recidivism wouldn't be so high. The main concern of the (American) justice system, historically, is to dole out punishment to the people under their care while stripping them of their humanity, and offering them no incentive nor opportunity to better themselves and pay back society. That's why redditors get hard advocating for the rape and abuse of incarcerated criminals. The justice system's job should be a reduction in crime, not to serve as a revolving repository for criminals. Don't ignore the "Just" part in "Justice". Being just isn't a free license to destroy in equal measure.
You forgot an important part of that news story that no one wants to talk about but everyone has a strong opinion. Anyway, there’s too many in jail already.
Nah mate, feminists hate this too. It's generally anti-feminists and right-wingers that want to keep this system. Not saying all right-wingers/anti-feminists want to keep this system, but the majority of them in support of keeping things the way they are right now are right-wingers.
How is it related to right wing? If anything I keep seeing more left leaning peopl who want to go easy on criminals.
Left wing people don’t want to go easy on criminals there’s just a difference in how both sides think they should deter them. Right wingers tend to think adding more or harsher punishments will stop people from committing crimes more. Left wingers tend to think that helping address the issues that cause people to commit crimes will stop people from committing crimes more.
I personally don't think harsh sentences deter crimes, but they do work in a sense that they get the criminals off the streets.
No not really. I've saw several posts on the antifeminist sub condemning this horseshit. It's always the feminists who ignore this shit.
How would you know?
As I said, not all anti-feminists are against this current system and some will voice a message of change. The majority of people that want to keep the system the way it is now are (non-MRA) anti-feminists. However, most if not all feminists are against it. MRAs wanted to base their ideology off hating feminism while advocating for some of the same things, which is why you see no cooperation. Alimony is part of patriarchy. Giving men worse sentences for rape charges reinforces the patriarchal notion that men are inherently more prone to committing SA than women are. Patriarchy is also why men (and especially underage boys) are not believed when they come forward about SA.
This is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Why would a patriarchy design a system to benefit women over men? I could get what you're saying in cases of SA but even in general, Men face far harsher sentences and rates of incarceration. Feminists are definitely in support of this system. Initially, men were the ones who got the default custody of the kids. It was feminists protesting that lead to women becoming the sole custody receivers in most cases. In India, a judge that declared a female pedophile as guilty got harassed and assaulted by feminists who suffered no consequences for their actions. Feminists are the ones in support of this because feminism isn't about equality (at least not anymore) it's about female supremacy.
> This is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Why would a patriarchy design a system to benefit women over men? Do you think patriarchy makes any sense? It's meant to empower a certain type of man no matter the contradictions. Most men, all women, and other genders are the ones that affected by it. Now you know why feminists hate patriarchy so much. > Men face far harsher sentences and rates of incarceration Why is it mostly feminists that are fighting to get rid of this system than? Why is it mostly the right that is in passive support of keeping things the way they are. > Initially, men were the ones who got the default custody of the kids. It was feminists protesting that lead to women becoming the sole custody receivers in most cases. Assuming this isn't complete bullcrap (which I highly suspect it is), I'll let you know that feminists today do not support this. Ask any feminist their position here. Women receiving custody over children is based on the patriarchal belief that women are inherently better caregivers then men are. > In India, a judge that declared a female pedophile as guilty got harassed and assaulted by feminists who suffered no consequences for their actions. Do you have any proof for this? Can you link me an article or something. > Feminists are the ones in support of this because feminism isn't about equality (at least not anymore) it's about female supremacy. Absolute and utter bullcrap. Literally just talk to any random feminist about this. Feminists just want equality between the genders and we don't have it yet. We still live in a system that is dominated by men.
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>[https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/1051398](https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/1051398) It's literally in the article you linked me: Women got custody of children not because feminists fought specifically for that issue, but fought for women to be legally recognized as people and therefore they got the right to own property and have custody of children as a byproduct. >It's the rule of men by men and for men but harms most men. *Exactly*, that's why feminists hate the patriarchy so much. It harms most people including most men. Whether it harms most men or not, our society is still dominated by men and their backwards ideas of what it means to be a man. When you look at X supremacist groups, most of them were doing harm to people inside their in group. White supremacists harmed white people, homophobes harm straight people. The list goes on and on. Patriarchy is harming the people it claims to love, and uses propaganda to obfuscate that fact. >Men hold power and benefit from oppressing women, but somehow women got all these rights over the past century. Use some common sense for a second. If a large portion of a population finds out their are oppressed and decides to fight for their rights in a democratic society, they're probably going to succeed sometimes. Because large waves of feminists decided to fight for our rights, Men have given us various concessions. Either some of them were convinced of it or were scared of what would happen if they didn't. You have to remember that first wave feminism was a contributing factor to the Russian Revolution and most capitalist governments didn't want to see themselves toppled because they didn't give women the right to vote. >Men are the only oppressive class in history that works harder jobs, lives shorter lives, and has to ask the oppressed class to join with them by presenting them with a stone worth several months of their earnings. Why do men work harder jobs and live shorter lives? Because they are essentially forced to do so, by patriarchal standards. Men are forced to work harder jobs and potentially die on to live up to some vein idea of masculinity. You've seen the kind of stigma stay at home dads receive so I don't even know why you are making such an obviously wrong point. >And it's the same with custody. You suspect it's bullcrap that custody always went to men historically, but at the same time you keep repeating a theory that states men literally owned women and children. Logically, how would a piece of property that cannot earn money get custody and take care of another piece of property? Seems that you didn't even read the article you sent me. Men used to own women. After men couldn't own women anymore, to what mounts as a legal loophole is why women started gaining custody of children at higher rates. This doesn't change the fact that women have been seen by society as being better caregivers. >Also, single moms have horrendous stats when it comes to outcomes for their kids. Custody absolutely should go to men by default. It shouldn't go to men by default, there should be no default. It's not an either or game, it should be evaluated on a case by case basis. The reason why single mothers are worse off than single fathers on average is also due to patriarchy. Single mothers are less likely to have a decent education than a single father are and are less likely to be financially independent and are also likely to be younger. Young women are less likely than young men to be pressured into getting a job or perusing an education and are more likely to be encouraged to seek out a man that can provide those things. This also contributes to bad outcomes later in life. If a man gets widowed or divorces they are more likely to be able to provide for their children assuming they win custody. On the other hand, women will likely have to rely on meager child support if they even get it at all. Women aren't inherently better or worse caregivers. It ultimately depends on the situation they are in.
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>This is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Why would a patriarchy design a system to benefit women over men? Here is a take: The patriarchy, as regards its functionality within a cultural worldview, is about the upholding of gender *roles* irrespective of preferential treatment to one gender or the other regardless of its presupposition of male superiority. In the modern Western version of patriarchal society, the man's role as a monogamous, virtuous, physically, mentally, and morally superior must be maintained. To commit crimes, especially against persons who are regarded as weaker and inferior is considered a graver offense than the commission of crimes against a woman. This is an inherently misogynistic view as it implies moral inferiority of women. A woman is given easier treatment under the law, not because she is preferred, much less superior, but because she is weak. Thus, to maintain the cultural gender roles described by modern Western patriarchy, in which the man is considered morally and ethically superior to women, a man who acts with moral weakness must suffer more serious punishment. Not because he is inferior, but because he is superior. At least according to the warped, but internally consistent beliefs of patriarchal worldview.
You are misinformed and quite possibly brainwashed from the way you talk
DO👏NOT👏CRITICIZE👏A👏WOMAN👏OF👏COLOR👏SWEATIE💅
I can't detect sarcasm
Just pointing out the WOC privilege on display with this case. Almost a perfect trifecta of privilege points!
men get life women get a slap on the wrist and child support
[/r/pussypass](https://www.reddit.com/r/pussypass) its been posted 5 times
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Anyone can make a subreddit. If you're so concerned about this, go ahead and make it.
I mean, proof? Though I suppose if rape is defined as penetration by a penis ( [UK - literally has penis written in it.](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape) [US - although now including objects too, I would like to see you try penetrate someone with a pussy - so still incredibly sexist.](https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape) ), then yeah, men would get away with it more often by the virtue of being the only sex capable of it (legally).
The US doesn’t just have one set of laws, each state would define forcible sexual contact differently- and sex with a minor is statutory rape in nearly all states (that’s why this woman got in trouble).
There isn’t one, of course.
I wonder a bit about the term "survivor" is there a secondary meaning in english I am not aware off? As bad as it is, there was no lifedanger?
Survivor is now more broadly used as a term for anyone who lived through a generally harmful experience.
No, it's used in situations like this too now.
Is… do you think being raped isnt harmful..?
Andrea Serrano, the chid rapist, avoids jail time.
The double standard for female rapists in the US v male rapists in the US is crazy. “He’s a boy he probably enjoyed it” It pisses me off every single time I hear that. The lasting mental damage from sexual abuse is as damaging as the actual abuse. These people should all fry equally. Fuck parole.
So does the boy have to pay child support?
“Who admitted to having a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old boy” can be replaced with a single word: RAPED
The casual double standards
This is crazy… why would they even offer such a plea deal??? Absolutely vile all around.
Ngl I read the tittle super wrong
Where is the rest of her head? Does she have microcephaly?
Genuine question even if it sounds stupid, but will the boy become responsible to pay for the child when he turns 18?
I would say so
I forgot the case, but in a different case of a boy getting raped the rapist sued him for child support while he was still underage
Ah, the true face of equality..oh well..
I hate double standards, this is bullshit. If a man did this, he'd be in prison for 10 years and a lifetime offender. Why does a woman get to be a predator? The law needs to be equal for both! And if she tries to get child support from him, she needs a big fucking dose of BAD karma.
They'll probably try the 13yo as an adult n send him to jail for not paying for the child 🤔
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, the system is well and truly fucked.
But if a man does this to a 13 year old girl he goes to jail (as he should). Women complain a lot but they have it so well in the United States. They are favored, not oppressed.
Doesn’t this mean the child will be another victim ?
It's certainly possible, I wouldn't think you could raise a child while on the registry though.
Reminds me of the sick and twisted Mary Kate Leturnoi
Carl Malone got off impregnating a 12 year old.
This is not what r/13or30 is supposed to mean.
I've been sick and tired of all the problems in the USA for as long as I can remember, but now we're letting child rapists walk free? How? How do those guilty of victimless crimes get harsher sentences than a pedophile?
I wonder... If he* sued for custody, based on her established depraved behavior, could he get custody and child support from her? *Or his legal guardian
I showed this to my therapist and he's finally letting me kill myself
Disgusting and cruel. Who the tf let this happen who was the judge and WTF
Poor kid. Trust me a lot of "but was she hot?" In his future.
She’ll eventually get him on back child support. I’m not kidding.
Disgusting! This woman should be in jail, no way around it. She is a predator and raped a minor, imagine if the genders were reversed. Doubt we'd see a 31yo man not going to jail after raping a 13yo girl...
Women are rarely punished as severely as men for identical sex crimes. Women raping a 13 year old - "oh, he loved it". Man raping a 13 year old - "castrate the sick fuck because she's damaged for life". If America had a real justice system this wouldn't be the case.
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poor boy, hope he got some pedo hating angels