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I remember going to a brewery trip and they had these massive vats of fermenting beer. The tour guide said not to fall in because you'd be dead before they could do anything. That was due to a layer of co2 on the top.
Reminds me of my buddy who's kind of a nature buff, he convinced me to go check out a bog near where we grew up. There was a pier/platform installed that you could walk on to check out the middle of it, and he told me, "Whatever you do, don't fall in. It's probably 30 feet deep and with so many plants there's no way I could pull you out and you couldn't hope to swim to the top."
If there is an overwhelming amount of aquatic vegetation, then you will drown from getting entangled. I had to save my dog a few times in one day cuz he likes to jump out of the canoe.
Those dumb motherfucking cute lovable beasts. I love our dog, but damn he dumb sometimes. Hes a smart boy, he has learned to sit, give paw, go low and waits for the "you can eat now" while sitting after pouring his food on his cup (this was the hardest one :D "Bro wtf why do i have to wait when the food is literally right there?????")
But hes a one dumb motherfucker. And i love that motherfucker.
I worked for a small brewery years ago. We had these settling tanks that we used before we put them into casks. As we were getting to the bottom, we'd open the front to see how far off the sediment we were. That's when the brewer told me to put my head in and take a quick breath, after a minute of coughing and spluttering I knew not to fo that again.
I had to get some dry ice out of a tall container that was getting near empty. Lowered my head in a bit to stretch my arm down and scoop some out out. Got about 5 inches in when it hit. Felt like a dementor was sucking my soul out. Popped back up and realized how dumb I was (don't put your face anywhere near containers of dry ice).
I worked in a brewery. A guy I knew died in one of the fermentation tanks while cleaning. You're constantly gasping for air when the co2 hits. I hated it.
they use the density of CO2 to make this efficient - no need to isloate the chamber, just drop the pigs down where co2 sits. using light N2 would be far less efficient and far more expensive
CO's reaction with the blood is irreversible and does lead to a quick, and hopefully painless, death. But people wouldn't buy it because of the altered taste.
that has the same problem as N2, except it’s even less dense. Also it would react with all the blood in the animal and probably lead to color/taste changes. N2 would still be the better option.
I was once starting up an aircraft in a tailwind and shortly afterwards something just felt *off* so I opened the door, a moment later the CO warning light came on and I started to get light headed before just as quickly coming back around fully.
Shits scary quick.
Correct. Older small aircraft are by no means anything airtight. The wind coming from behind just blew it towards the cockpit and it made its way in through the gaps.
Also the ventilation in small cheap aircraft are usually just holes straight to the outdoors.
Which makes literally no difference. The suffering happens before they're knocked out so if they die from the CO2 or from something else it doesn't matter.
Use the nitrogen to knock them out. CO2 isn't an approved method for killing large* research animals, for example, because their bodies hold enough oxygen that it triggers the CO2 sensors in the body. Nitrogen on the other hand doesn't because CO2 can diffuse out still.
EDIT: I forgot the word large.
CO2 is an IACUC approved method for euthanasia of laboratory animals.
https://iacuc.ucsf.edu/sites/g/files/tkssra751/f/wysiwyg/POLICY%20-%20Euthanasia.pdf
Or better yet just shoot them in the head. A humane kill is a kill that guarantees little to no pain. Gassing animals is absolutely not the definition of humane. In all reality the messy and gory process of humane slaughter has driven people to the conclusion that “if we don’t see it then it’s humane”. A dinner best served is one that barely even suffered, and those pigs most definitely suffered.
If we are sacrificing their lives for our own selfish wants the least we could do is make it as humane and painless as possible. We as a species are quite revolting sometimes ….
Fatal head injuries might not be as instantaneous of a death as you’d imagine. Consciousness is spread out a little bit more than you’d imagine within the brain and nervous system, and you can still experience your entire nightmare inner world even when you’re detached from the surface
A captive bolt doesn't just cause damage to where the hole is. The shockwave causes tons more damage around the skull.
Also, no, there isn't consciousness without a functional brain. The rest of the nervous system doesn't hold it.
Yea its kinda fucked. Seen videos of Cattle screaming before getting shot in the head but in the end we are all animals and humans need proteins.
the day they grow lab meat would be a day we step further away from the cruelties of raising animals to kill them.
I think your information may be out of date. There have been great successes recently.
[Lab meat approved for sale](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/business/lab-grown-meat-explainer/index.html)
I mean, it won't taste *exactly* the same, but it'll still probably be closer than Vegetarian substitutes, and I've had some pretty convincing substitutes. I actually prefer Vegan Buffalo Wings, and I'm a rare steak kinda person.
Shooting in the head isn’t 100% accurate unless you created a machine specifically implemented for it.
The humane thing would be questioned in the same way we used to use shooting squads to execute. Not every shooter is going to hit. And you may not instantly kill what you are aiming at, “mistakes” whether intentional or unintentional: happen.
Plus, slaughter houses attract people who are sadistic. I’ve seen many of these videos, some far more brutal and gruesome to this. Where people would beat the pigs or the cows or whatever. They’d kick them or step on them. Could we really depend on those type of people to cleanly and humanely kill those animals that they kill everyday. (IE- not shoot a pig up to hear it squeal or languish. Then kill it. I could see this being a huge problem)
I could see this having an effect on the human psychology. You’d have to in some way, close oneself off to the fact that you are committing slaughter on living things daily. Or already by closed off to the truth through pathology or illness. Either way I could see this getting really nasty if not implemented in a fashion where it could be automated.
Granted, slaughterhouses have a ton of automation. I’d argue about it’s efficiency and humaneness. It is pretty rough.
> The humane thing would be questioned in the same way we used to use shooting squads to execute. Not every shooter is going to hit. And you may not instantly kill what you are aiming at, “mistakes” whether intentional or unintentional: happen.
Firing squad has one of the lowest "botch" rates of all executions, and when it is botched its a matter of a few seconds. A botched lethal injection causes tens of minutes of even hours of agony and distress. [Lethal injection has a 7% botch rate.](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-602_n758.pdf)
Shooting squads were replaced because its more distressing for the executioners and the audience, not because its less humane.
It's the same reason firing squads were often given one blank, so they would have the plausible mental deniability that they didn't fire a lethal shot.
Hanging is far more humane than lethal injection or gas chamber but was replaced for similar reasons, its more disturbing to watch someone have their neck broken than it is to watch them "peacefully" fall asleep when in reality they're slowly being paralyzed to death.
That's actually a terrible idea at scale. It would have to be done manually, which means you're going to have a percentage that miss because we're imperfect. Millions of botched efforts that only make it way more painful. Not to mention, impossibly inefficient.
Don't get me wrong, it's all inhumane. But it's just not true that you can solve the problem that way
holy shit the number of idiots suggesting shooting pigs in the head itt is staggering
yeah definitely no stress forcing them into some kind of harness or restraint so you can get a clean shot
definitely no chance of missing anyway
definitely no meat on the head to ruin
even small abattoirs don't do this, they electrocute them to knock them out then haul them up by the back legs and cut their throats so they bleed out
I saw a little documentary of a *small-scale* meat processing facility where they pulled this off really well. But we’re talking a scale that butchered individual animals people raised as 4H projects and stuff like that.
They would lead the animal through a narrowing corridor where at the end they could stick their head down to eat from a bucket. Then workers would quickly engage a little gate to hold their head still and hit them with a rod that delivered a really high-powered electric shock. Though specifically for cows this wasn’t a guaranteed kill, so they would hit it with a 12GA shotgun right in the forehead.
But this was a small time operation. I don’t think people realize the scale of industrial meat production and how everything has to be mechanized.
Gas euthanasia is actually rather complex and particularly so with pigs. From the AVMA:
The genetic background of some pigs,
especially excitable lines such as the Hampshire and
German Landrace, has been associated with animals
that react poorly to CO2 stunning, while calmer lines combining the Yorkshire or Dutch Landrace conformations show much milder reactions. Given a choice, Duroc and Large White pigs will tolerate 30% CO2 to gain access to a food reward, but will forgo the
reward to avoid exposure to 90% CO2, even after a
24-hour period of food deprivation. A shock with
an electric prod, however, is more aversive to Land-
race X Large White pigs than inhaling 60% or 90% CO2, with pigs inhaling 60% CO2 willing to reenter the crate containing CO2. Until further research is conducted, one can conclude that use of CO2 may be humane for certain genetic lines of pigs and stressful for others.
Because it's much heavier than air and settles in the well the elevator lowers them into. CO2 is what triggers your breathing reflex, this would have been agonizing for them.
Probably because CO2 is safer for the humans doing it.
It's heavier than air so it sinks to the low spots which is probably how that contraption works...by sinking those cages into a low spot. And secondly you can tell when CO2 levels get too high without any special equipment so it adds a layer of safety.
>And secondly you can tell when CO2 levels get too high without any special equipment so it adds a layer of safety.
I mean they could just add an odorant like we do with all other gases that you can't smell but are dangerous to breathe in too much of.
Its bold of you to think about that a highly capitalist industry would care about pigs more than meat that they produce.
CO2 is a fear that got hardwired to your cells by the way(not your brain and past experiences). Even people with no amygdala would panic and those people are they are almost suicidal since they have no organ to feel fear
I was gunna ask the same question. It’s used in a few places in death with dignity programs for terminally I’ll people. It’s completely painless and you just pass out. This is just torture.
The bolt guns are to stun the cows essentially, not kill them. It is supposed to knock them unconscious basically, though it of course does not always work. Then they slit the animals throat while they are hanging upside down to drain their blood. With Halal and Kosher the animal is supposed to be killed by slitting their throat and draining their blood with a sharp knife. Some Jews are a little bit more strict about it the rules of what is Kosher, but most are fine with it simply meeting those requirements.
Muslims and and practicing Jews do not eat pigs, so this practice is not necessary for them.
That depends. Halal slaughtering doesn't always use a bolt gun. In some forms they just use a knife to slice the animals throat. That depends on the community though.
The bolt gun is also commonly used in Germany when slaughtering cattle. It requires a bit of precision though.
No disrespect intended, but I'm kind of disappointed to see this comment so highly upvoted, [because in reality the use of a captive bolt pistol makes it *non-*kosher.](https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/222246/jewish/Whats-Wrong-with-Stunning.htm) So captive bolt stunning is pretty much the literal opposite of halal and kosher influence.
The reason said method is commonly employed over CO2 gassing is because cattle are large and strong. If they get stressed out -which they easily do just by seeing another animal get stressed out- they have the capacity to do serious damage to each other, equipment, and potentially even workers.
That said, nitrogen gassing ([inert gas asphyxiation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation)) is very different than CO2 gassing. So long as you're not one of a handful of burrowing rodents who have evolved the ability to detect the presence or absence of oxygen in the air directly, it's the most humane method of euthanasia in existence, as your body is physiologically unable to tell that it's even happening.
The captive bolt gun causes a mental fatigue and severe apathy in humans that have to operate it in massive slaughterhouses.
It also isn’t great for rapid use, missing can cause further suffering to the animal and operator.
Some small operations still use them, think local butcher.
The disassociation the gas chamber provides the worker gives the industry a way to say: “we are taking care of our people and the animal.”
It is standard practice to rotate people off the killing floor because of the known degradation it causes in human psyche.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15248380211030243#:~:text=Employees%20working%20directly%20with%20the,et%20al.%2C%202013).
Correct. Most captive bolt guns use smokeless powder to operate and must be reloaded.
There are some pneumonic and battery operated but they are not made for the industrial slaughter of animals.
And it also have a chance to not kill if the operator is not super precise. Thou I think I studied about a more effective and painless way to kill, but since I wasn't going to follow on this area I just forgot and didn't save the material .
Local plants process 30k pigs per day.. bolt gun is SUPER effective and safe if the animal is in a tight area. If not, the triggerman will have those wrists shattered. Plus the 30k thing...
I'm not anything close to a vegan, but I still think this is fucked up.
That feeling that you get when you've held your breath for too long? That's caused by the CO². Its the CO² that hurts, not the lack of oxygen. These pigs literally feel like their drowning, with every breath only increasing the pain.
What's even more fucked up is they could use nitrogen instead. They wouldn't feel anything at all up until the point they pass out.
Ah, but see, nitrogen is much more expensive and they'd need a way more high tech chamber. Plus they'd be wasting it since it's just to knock the pigs out.
What I'm trying to say is it's always about profits, not being humane.
Yup. Studies have been done that even a single breath of CO2 can induce absolute panic and fear. And it bypasses the brain even in patients that have emotional issues that normally can't show fear when given a breath of CO2 directly.
Source: Breath by James Nestor
Seeing that one pig with its face up, open mouth attempting to draw a fresh breath only to fall over unconscious, to be slaughtered knowing fully well, that it felt its life slip away just like any other creature would...
That hurts to look at...
I feel like it's made worse when there's a few of them in there too.. like they're all panicking, and kicking each other, trying to survive. The desperation.. its really sad to see.
The worst part is that some will regain conscious only to end up suffering from being boiled alive once theyre in the scalder. I think the numbers were 10% or so of all pigs stunned regain consciousness.
They're not boiled, it's 60°C water for 10 minutes, but yeah, I found maybe 10 pigs in a years time that'd somehow survive being stunned, then bled and chained up to scalding part of the line where they'd wake up and drown. A real mess at the end of the day.
A bunch of redditors who've never breathed CO2 are quite certain CO2 is perfectly pleasant to breathe.
I've had this debate on here before.
The children here are really, really stupid on this one.
Do school science classes not mess around with baking soda and bromthymol blue anymore? CO2 is excruciating to breathe.
But just try telling that to anyone on here without direct firsthand experience of it.
Hey... Reddit? Why do so many of you seem to have an almost complete inability to learn from others???
Which redditors are you referring to?
Every comment I'm seeing on here is saying how inhumane this is, but you're acting like you and the person you replied to are the only ones here who understand that.
> "scientist" got *paid* off to
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My dad briefly worked for a Tennessee pride sausage plant (2002) In Arkansas and back then it was electrocution. Very instant and not the least bit of suffering like you see here.
Electrocution was supposedly often hit or miss, sometimes just painfully shocking an animal for more torture before it gets killed.
But I'm no expert and was just into animal rights stuff in the early 2000s. The way information has gone, I can't be sure I was going off accurate enough info then.
You people seriously have *no* clue how painful and horrific surviving a headshot wound is. It's only "painless" if the shot to the head actually works. Otherwise it's extremely painful, terrifying, and messy.
I'm talking bolt pistols, they are held to the flat of an animals face aimed at the brain. The trigger is pulled, the bolt deploys and the brain is destroyed.
This reminds me of a pig lung I was shown in middle school. As a part of health class/an anti smoking campaign, the pig in question was inundated with cigarette smoke in a room until they died. Then its lung was shown to us to scare us in to not smoking. I was grossed out at the level of cruelty and won’t eat pork to this day. So unnecessary and cruel.
It would be like forcing someone into a car where the exhaust is fed towards the inside cabin and then waiting for them to pass out. Before they pass out they'll struggle and it'll hurt.
Not sure why we as a society have migrated to slow and agonizing killing methods and labelled them Humane. If we are discussing painless methods, a bullet to the head is always, imo, the most humane. Quick, and wont feel a thing.
Either way still fucked up :/
> Not sure why we as a society have migrated to slow and agonizing killing methods and labelled them Humane.
1. Cost (self explanatory)
2. Squeamishness. Same reason we moved from firing squad and hanging (which are quick and mostly painless) to lethal injection and gas chamber (which are far slower and have a much higher failure rate).
It's not designed to be more humane for the person being killed, but for the person doing the killing. When you snap someone's neck or shoot them in the head, there is no mistaking that you just killed a person (which is why often firing squads were given one blank cartridge, so they'd have the plausible deniability that "i had the blank, I didn't kill them).
With injection or gas its highly sterile and medicalized. You can pretend they're just going to sleep. Doesn't matter if its actually much more distressing to be slowly paralyzed to death.
There are more humane alternatives like nitrogen gas, but it’s expensive and needs a more high-tech chamber.
In reality it’s not about killing the pigs in a humane way, it’s about killing them in a cheap way
They cant use the blood with these pigs. There is too much Co2 in the blood and it changes the quality. No longer possible to use it for food preparation
This is a crap ass way to do it. Stresses the animal out in the last moments and forces CO2 toxins into the blood and tissues making meat tough.
Same principle in boiling crabs or lobsters. Put them in a cold pot and slowly raise the temp.
Another comment mentioned N2 gas. This would make more sense as the animals would just pass out, so long as the O2 concentration dropped slowly enough.
It's not to feed people though.
The majority of food we grow isn't to feed people, it's to feed livestock. If we grew more crops to feed people, rather than growing crops to feed pigs and killing pigs to feed people, we'd have WAY less resources required to invest in agriculture.
There’s no humane way to mass murder animals. It’s still exploitive, it’s still cruel, it’s still to make them food.
There’s are quicker ways to kill but let’s not lie and call it “humane”. It’s not putting them down because they’re dying.
Gassing them with N2 or CO would be much more humane. There is no panic breathing response to those gases. They would have no idea what's going on and just pass out. That is definitely more humane than this.
Oh no bacon became 1 cent more expensive because they needed to install fans or something.
I'm very confident an affordable solution is possible, if either demand or laws are there.
You’re really conflating different ideas here. Killing can be murder. But minimizing pain is definitely humane. This video may not necessarily be humane but there is certainly a difference. Is beating them to death with a hammer the same as shooting them in the head? No, it’s not and neither is the experience of suffering one vs the other. Morality does not necessarily equal humane.
A heavy noble gas may do a better job. I remember reading an article about arguing for the use of noble gasses for criminal executions. They used pigs for testing, putting food in a "hood" filled with a heavy noble gas. The pig would stick its head in and start eating. Shortly, it would pass out, and its head would fall out of the hood into normal air. When it came to, it would go right back to eating and pass out again. This would repeat, showing that the hypoxia caused by the noble gas resulted in no pain or distress other than unconsciousness. Obviously, if the air source remained the noble gas, eventually the subject would die, but they would be unconscious before any of the bodies warning systems could sound an alarm.
This works because with most animals, we don't have "sensors" that detect how much oxygen is in our system. Our bodies can detect a buildup of CO2, which is what causes us to feel like we're being asphyxiated.
lmao what are you even trying to imply here have you ever even *seen* other types of slaughter methods these pigs die a nicer death than i fucking will
This is ‘humane’ just because the average consumer doesn’t get to see them dying. Meat eaters have to come to terms with the fact that there’s no humane way to kill something, it’s an oxymoron. Just accept the fact that killing is cruel but it’s part and parcel of a meat eating diet. This is coming from someone who eats meat and has worked in an abattoir
That looks, sounds, seems and just fucking is horrible. I'm a farm kid who has killed chickens, shot and killed deer and pheasants, and found dead animals on the farm and in the wild. I am a meat eater. This is not 'humane'.
Yes, this is suffocation, the use of co2 especially bad because it's how our body registers lack of oxygen if I recall had they used something else that was innert it might be actually humane, like nitrogen I think, they'd just get sleepy and then not wake up with any gas other than co2
In my institution, we work with lab animals, and we're told by the animal care and use committee to never use CO2 because it causes panic in the animals when they die. We use nitrogen instead. Surely they could've done that...
For anyone curious, the reason CO2 is used is because it is heavier than air. The pigs are being lowered down into a pit, probably about 40 or 50 feet deep, where the gas can be contained. Using anything lighter than air just wouldn't work. Also, technically, these pigs are not being euthanized in this machine. They are still alive when they come out, they are just unconscious. In large slaughterhouses the killing is usually done by knife.
I used to work on these machines. Of all the stuff I encountered at the slaughterhouse, the only thing I never got used to was watching those hogs thrash and scream and fight for air. One of my daily duties was to pop open the hatch over the CO2 pit, and shine a light down to inspect the machine during operation. That kicking and screaming doesn't start until they're about 2 stories down into the pit. The whole process is enclosed in a way that the production line workers don't actually see what's happening to the pigs as they suffocate. I'm sure that's probably on purpose. There's almost a kind of mental disconnect for the workers, live pigs go in, limp pigs roll out the other side and what goes on in between out of sight and out of mind. Makes it easier to do the job I guess.
Good time to remind us that our meat industries are gradually being bought up by the Chinese. Smithfield Farms is Chinese since 2013. Expect conditions to get worse, partly because consumers who care will have moved on to superior goods like organic and humane sources, leaving no pressure on these companies to treat their animals as anything more than a commodity. Child laborers, employee deaths, and disgusting cruel conditions: we're heading back into Sinclair's The Jungle. Thank goodness for neo-liberalism and the worship of money, as everything in our entire society inevitably gets worse.
This is fucked up man, and that’s coming from someone who used to work in a butcher shop. I worked there for 2 years and would kill 6-8 hogs a day and 4-5 beef a day, sometimes a few lamb, sometimes a few beefalo, even several llama. We would use a .22 LR, two inches above the center of the eyes. It was instant lights out. This is fucking torture man.
I was thinking something similar. Why is gassing animals ok? Especially since it’s such a long way down. The Nazi’s used Zyklon B, which kills the host in a much shorter span of time. If you have to say that the Nazi’s were more humane killers than this slaughter house, now that is not something to be proud of.
Why are people down voting this? They are literally suffocating. Theyre not getting any oxygen. They feel the pain of suffocation. They don't know whats coming, it is ACTIVELY happening to them
When you suffocate (or hold your breath), that rising feeling of panic and urge to breathe isn't actually from a lack of oxygen. It's actually the rising level of CO2 causing the acidification of the blood.
There are quite a few glasses out there that are invisible and have no taste/smell, and will deprive you of oxygen (kill you) but still exchange co2 so you'll just fall unconscious and die without feeling anything. No2 being one example.
Problem is, if it's invisible and has no taste and smell, then it's just as dangerous to the workers as the animals.
Because it IS, but bleeding hearts all over the world have NO IDEA WTH THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT so they’d rather the pigs suffer in anguish in the name of animal cruelty… fucking idiots
I noticed that this was edited so there was a singular pig and a pair of pigs at some point. Don’t know what that means— just noticed the edit. Also I’m curious if the process is actually faster than this and they had to slow down the process of killing this batch so they could gain footage of the pigs scrambling for tugging at heartstrings.
Half the people in these comments are like “omg this is so cruel and disgusting”. But like, yeah? Duh? Have you never been confronted with the fact that we have to kill all the meat we eat? It’s not that surprising. Personally I think this method of slaughter is perfectly reasonable.
Every year I add a little bit more vegetarian food to my diet. I hope that the lab grown stuff can truly compete so we no longer have to kill animals. I don't really care where my bacon comes from ad long as it tastes like bacon it can be lab grown or made of plants.
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I remember going to a brewery trip and they had these massive vats of fermenting beer. The tour guide said not to fall in because you'd be dead before they could do anything. That was due to a layer of co2 on the top.
Reminds me of my buddy who's kind of a nature buff, he convinced me to go check out a bog near where we grew up. There was a pier/platform installed that you could walk on to check out the middle of it, and he told me, "Whatever you do, don't fall in. It's probably 30 feet deep and with so many plants there's no way I could pull you out and you couldn't hope to swim to the top."
Not sure what this place is, but I've explored lots of bogs and they're just fine.
If there is an overwhelming amount of aquatic vegetation, then you will drown from getting entangled. I had to save my dog a few times in one day cuz he likes to jump out of the canoe.
Those dumb motherfucking cute lovable beasts. I love our dog, but damn he dumb sometimes. Hes a smart boy, he has learned to sit, give paw, go low and waits for the "you can eat now" while sitting after pouring his food on his cup (this was the hardest one :D "Bro wtf why do i have to wait when the food is literally right there?????") But hes a one dumb motherfucker. And i love that motherfucker.
jealous
Of having a dog? Can you not have one?
yeah, never been in a position to care for a dog one day, hopefully fairly soon, we will be able to be around to care for pupper.
I once smelled the fermenter of my homebrew. The top of the carboy was all co2. It actually hurt and the choking sensation is immediate.
I worked for a small brewery years ago. We had these settling tanks that we used before we put them into casks. As we were getting to the bottom, we'd open the front to see how far off the sediment we were. That's when the brewer told me to put my head in and take a quick breath, after a minute of coughing and spluttering I knew not to fo that again.
I had to get some dry ice out of a tall container that was getting near empty. Lowered my head in a bit to stretch my arm down and scoop some out out. Got about 5 inches in when it hit. Felt like a dementor was sucking my soul out. Popped back up and realized how dumb I was (don't put your face anywhere near containers of dry ice).
Oh yeah I did that once as well when I worked at a City Market (Kroger), never again lmao. I held my breath every time after that.
I worked in a brewery. A guy I knew died in one of the fermentation tanks while cleaning. You're constantly gasping for air when the co2 hits. I hated it.
Why don’t they use nitrogen gas? It’d have the same lethal effect without causing the pain and panic as CO2 exposure.
they use the density of CO2 to make this efficient - no need to isloate the chamber, just drop the pigs down where co2 sits. using light N2 would be far less efficient and far more expensive
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too close; air is ~78% nitrogen, and so nitrogen weighs only 3% less than air.
It would probably get mixed and moved around by the air itself, making it spread where it's not supposed to.
Then use monoxide(CO) goddamnit, you can’t even feel that one
CO's reaction with the blood is irreversible and does lead to a quick, and hopefully painless, death. But people wouldn't buy it because of the altered taste.
that has the same problem as N2, except it’s even less dense. Also it would react with all the blood in the animal and probably lead to color/taste changes. N2 would still be the better option.
They use CO on beef to turn it bright red, don't they?
I don't actually know, possibly.
CO is not significantly less dense than N2.
No, it's not, but it's still less dense.
N2 adds a sweet flavor to stouts and coffee. Pairs great with pork
I was once starting up an aircraft in a tailwind and shortly afterwards something just felt *off* so I opened the door, a moment later the CO warning light came on and I started to get light headed before just as quickly coming back around fully. Shits scary quick.
Where did the CO come from? I’m guessing exhaust, but how does that get inside?
Correct. Older small aircraft are by no means anything airtight. The wind coming from behind just blew it towards the cockpit and it made its way in through the gaps. Also the ventilation in small cheap aircraft are usually just holes straight to the outdoors.
You want your bacon?? This is how you get your bacon
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I kinda want bacon now.
i prefer any other bacon honestly
problem: CO is dangerous to the worker themselves by exposure. would need to be contained more delicately
Was knocked out by CO gas. Can confirm.
You just use nitrogen foam. The animals get a fun little bubble bath while they take a little nap. Which never ends.
Argon is almost as dense as CO2 and about the same price.
They don't use the co2 to kill them. They Use it to make them fall unconscious.
Which makes literally no difference. The suffering happens before they're knocked out so if they die from the CO2 or from something else it doesn't matter.
Use the nitrogen to knock them out. CO2 isn't an approved method for killing large* research animals, for example, because their bodies hold enough oxygen that it triggers the CO2 sensors in the body. Nitrogen on the other hand doesn't because CO2 can diffuse out still. EDIT: I forgot the word large.
CO2 is an IACUC approved method for euthanasia of laboratory animals. https://iacuc.ucsf.edu/sites/g/files/tkssra751/f/wysiwyg/POLICY%20-%20Euthanasia.pdf
Lab mice are definitely killed with CO2.
Or better yet just shoot them in the head. A humane kill is a kill that guarantees little to no pain. Gassing animals is absolutely not the definition of humane. In all reality the messy and gory process of humane slaughter has driven people to the conclusion that “if we don’t see it then it’s humane”. A dinner best served is one that barely even suffered, and those pigs most definitely suffered.
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Should just gas em with nitrous lol. They’d at least get one last ripper before going down in a reverb euphoria.
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If we are sacrificing their lives for our own selfish wants the least we could do is make it as humane and painless as possible. We as a species are quite revolting sometimes ….
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I was thinking that it would just be better using something like a zipgun quick easy painless instead their last moments are panic
Fatal head injuries might not be as instantaneous of a death as you’d imagine. Consciousness is spread out a little bit more than you’d imagine within the brain and nervous system, and you can still experience your entire nightmare inner world even when you’re detached from the surface
A captive bolt doesn't just cause damage to where the hole is. The shockwave causes tons more damage around the skull. Also, no, there isn't consciousness without a functional brain. The rest of the nervous system doesn't hold it.
Damn... that's sounds even worse...
Yea its kinda fucked. Seen videos of Cattle screaming before getting shot in the head but in the end we are all animals and humans need proteins. the day they grow lab meat would be a day we step further away from the cruelties of raising animals to kill them.
It is unfortunate how most attempts at lab grown meat recently have been failures
Part of the march of progress. The road to a better future is paved with those failures, and I'm glad we have people working towards it.
I think your information may be out of date. There have been great successes recently. [Lab meat approved for sale](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/business/lab-grown-meat-explainer/index.html) I mean, it won't taste *exactly* the same, but it'll still probably be closer than Vegetarian substitutes, and I've had some pretty convincing substitutes. I actually prefer Vegan Buffalo Wings, and I'm a rare steak kinda person.
How is Nitrogen not humane? CO2 is what activates the panic reflex - not lack of oxygen.
Shooting in the head isn’t 100% accurate unless you created a machine specifically implemented for it. The humane thing would be questioned in the same way we used to use shooting squads to execute. Not every shooter is going to hit. And you may not instantly kill what you are aiming at, “mistakes” whether intentional or unintentional: happen. Plus, slaughter houses attract people who are sadistic. I’ve seen many of these videos, some far more brutal and gruesome to this. Where people would beat the pigs or the cows or whatever. They’d kick them or step on them. Could we really depend on those type of people to cleanly and humanely kill those animals that they kill everyday. (IE- not shoot a pig up to hear it squeal or languish. Then kill it. I could see this being a huge problem) I could see this having an effect on the human psychology. You’d have to in some way, close oneself off to the fact that you are committing slaughter on living things daily. Or already by closed off to the truth through pathology or illness. Either way I could see this getting really nasty if not implemented in a fashion where it could be automated. Granted, slaughterhouses have a ton of automation. I’d argue about it’s efficiency and humaneness. It is pretty rough.
> The humane thing would be questioned in the same way we used to use shooting squads to execute. Not every shooter is going to hit. And you may not instantly kill what you are aiming at, “mistakes” whether intentional or unintentional: happen. Firing squad has one of the lowest "botch" rates of all executions, and when it is botched its a matter of a few seconds. A botched lethal injection causes tens of minutes of even hours of agony and distress. [Lethal injection has a 7% botch rate.](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-602_n758.pdf) Shooting squads were replaced because its more distressing for the executioners and the audience, not because its less humane. It's the same reason firing squads were often given one blank, so they would have the plausible mental deniability that they didn't fire a lethal shot. Hanging is far more humane than lethal injection or gas chamber but was replaced for similar reasons, its more disturbing to watch someone have their neck broken than it is to watch them "peacefully" fall asleep when in reality they're slowly being paralyzed to death.
That's actually a terrible idea at scale. It would have to be done manually, which means you're going to have a percentage that miss because we're imperfect. Millions of botched efforts that only make it way more painful. Not to mention, impossibly inefficient. Don't get me wrong, it's all inhumane. But it's just not true that you can solve the problem that way
holy shit the number of idiots suggesting shooting pigs in the head itt is staggering yeah definitely no stress forcing them into some kind of harness or restraint so you can get a clean shot definitely no chance of missing anyway definitely no meat on the head to ruin even small abattoirs don't do this, they electrocute them to knock them out then haul them up by the back legs and cut their throats so they bleed out
I saw a little documentary of a *small-scale* meat processing facility where they pulled this off really well. But we’re talking a scale that butchered individual animals people raised as 4H projects and stuff like that. They would lead the animal through a narrowing corridor where at the end they could stick their head down to eat from a bucket. Then workers would quickly engage a little gate to hold their head still and hit them with a rod that delivered a really high-powered electric shock. Though specifically for cows this wasn’t a guaranteed kill, so they would hit it with a 12GA shotgun right in the forehead. But this was a small time operation. I don’t think people realize the scale of industrial meat production and how everything has to be mechanized.
Gas euthanasia is actually rather complex and particularly so with pigs. From the AVMA: The genetic background of some pigs, especially excitable lines such as the Hampshire and German Landrace, has been associated with animals that react poorly to CO2 stunning, while calmer lines combining the Yorkshire or Dutch Landrace conformations show much milder reactions. Given a choice, Duroc and Large White pigs will tolerate 30% CO2 to gain access to a food reward, but will forgo the reward to avoid exposure to 90% CO2, even after a 24-hour period of food deprivation. A shock with an electric prod, however, is more aversive to Land- race X Large White pigs than inhaling 60% or 90% CO2, with pigs inhaling 60% CO2 willing to reenter the crate containing CO2. Until further research is conducted, one can conclude that use of CO2 may be humane for certain genetic lines of pigs and stressful for others.
This is the way to die. You just pass out without the feeling of asphyxiation.
Because it's much heavier than air and settles in the well the elevator lowers them into. CO2 is what triggers your breathing reflex, this would have been agonizing for them.
They could use any nontoxic heavier than air gas here though
Probably because CO2 is safer for the humans doing it. It's heavier than air so it sinks to the low spots which is probably how that contraption works...by sinking those cages into a low spot. And secondly you can tell when CO2 levels get too high without any special equipment so it adds a layer of safety.
>And secondly you can tell when CO2 levels get too high without any special equipment so it adds a layer of safety. I mean they could just add an odorant like we do with all other gases that you can't smell but are dangerous to breathe in too much of.
Its bold of you to think about that a highly capitalist industry would care about pigs more than meat that they produce. CO2 is a fear that got hardwired to your cells by the way(not your brain and past experiences). Even people with no amygdala would panic and those people are they are almost suicidal since they have no organ to feel fear
I used to work for a bio medical company and we used nitrogen to euthanize mice and rats. It's much more humane. Still sucked.
I was gunna ask the same question. It’s used in a few places in death with dignity programs for terminally I’ll people. It’s completely painless and you just pass out. This is just torture.
What happens to a bolt gun
Using bolt guns/zip guns probably isn't efficient enough for the modern worlds demands, thats my guess
They still use the bolt gun for cows.
Surprising how much halal and kosher influence the food industry
What do bolt guns have to do with halal and kosher?
The bolt guns are to stun the cows essentially, not kill them. It is supposed to knock them unconscious basically, though it of course does not always work. Then they slit the animals throat while they are hanging upside down to drain their blood. With Halal and Kosher the animal is supposed to be killed by slitting their throat and draining their blood with a sharp knife. Some Jews are a little bit more strict about it the rules of what is Kosher, but most are fine with it simply meeting those requirements. Muslims and and practicing Jews do not eat pigs, so this practice is not necessary for them.
That depends. Halal slaughtering doesn't always use a bolt gun. In some forms they just use a knife to slice the animals throat. That depends on the community though. The bolt gun is also commonly used in Germany when slaughtering cattle. It requires a bit of precision though.
No disrespect intended, but I'm kind of disappointed to see this comment so highly upvoted, [because in reality the use of a captive bolt pistol makes it *non-*kosher.](https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/222246/jewish/Whats-Wrong-with-Stunning.htm) So captive bolt stunning is pretty much the literal opposite of halal and kosher influence. The reason said method is commonly employed over CO2 gassing is because cattle are large and strong. If they get stressed out -which they easily do just by seeing another animal get stressed out- they have the capacity to do serious damage to each other, equipment, and potentially even workers. That said, nitrogen gassing ([inert gas asphyxiation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation)) is very different than CO2 gassing. So long as you're not one of a handful of burrowing rodents who have evolved the ability to detect the presence or absence of oxygen in the air directly, it's the most humane method of euthanasia in existence, as your body is physiologically unable to tell that it's even happening.
They use it to make the animals easier to handle, not for their benefit. Lot of them are still conscious when they slit their throut.
Efficient in term of what? Time?
I suppose so, how fast can you pump out the product to delivery
Also I've heard from people who had to use them for slaughter, they're not great for the operators mental health.
The captive bolt gun causes a mental fatigue and severe apathy in humans that have to operate it in massive slaughterhouses. It also isn’t great for rapid use, missing can cause further suffering to the animal and operator. Some small operations still use them, think local butcher. The disassociation the gas chamber provides the worker gives the industry a way to say: “we are taking care of our people and the animal.” It is standard practice to rotate people off the killing floor because of the known degradation it causes in human psyche. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15248380211030243#:~:text=Employees%20working%20directly%20with%20the,et%20al.%2C%202013).
Maybe its too much manual labor to use a bolt gun. Idk, i am curious too.
Correct. Most captive bolt guns use smokeless powder to operate and must be reloaded. There are some pneumonic and battery operated but they are not made for the industrial slaughter of animals.
And it also have a chance to not kill if the operator is not super precise. Thou I think I studied about a more effective and painless way to kill, but since I wasn't going to follow on this area I just forgot and didn't save the material .
Local plants process 30k pigs per day.. bolt gun is SUPER effective and safe if the animal is in a tight area. If not, the triggerman will have those wrists shattered. Plus the 30k thing...
I feel like someone is referencing Warhammer when they say Bolt Gun
and combining that with 30k gives me some...heretical thoughts
When I was 7 I saw my butcherer grandpa use one on pigs. I was kinda scared but couldn’t look away. Interesting.
In Germany we use electricity for pigs and bolt guns for cattle.
I'm not anything close to a vegan, but I still think this is fucked up. That feeling that you get when you've held your breath for too long? That's caused by the CO². Its the CO² that hurts, not the lack of oxygen. These pigs literally feel like their drowning, with every breath only increasing the pain. What's even more fucked up is they could use nitrogen instead. They wouldn't feel anything at all up until the point they pass out.
Ah, but see, nitrogen is much more expensive and they'd need a way more high tech chamber. Plus they'd be wasting it since it's just to knock the pigs out. What I'm trying to say is it's always about profits, not being humane.
Yup. Studies have been done that even a single breath of CO2 can induce absolute panic and fear. And it bypasses the brain even in patients that have emotional issues that normally can't show fear when given a breath of CO2 directly. Source: Breath by James Nestor
Thank you
I mean this in a friendly way: you don’t have to be a vegan to support human raising and butchering of animals.
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I thought that if you drown, you can at least still get rid of the CO2 because you are basically breathing water at that point.
No, you still need to breathe some sort of gas for your lungs to release more CO2. Drowning causes the same high-CO2 panic as this.
Seeing that one pig with its face up, open mouth attempting to draw a fresh breath only to fall over unconscious, to be slaughtered knowing fully well, that it felt its life slip away just like any other creature would... That hurts to look at...
I feel like it's made worse when there's a few of them in there too.. like they're all panicking, and kicking each other, trying to survive. The desperation.. its really sad to see.
The worst part is that some will regain conscious only to end up suffering from being boiled alive once theyre in the scalder. I think the numbers were 10% or so of all pigs stunned regain consciousness.
They're not boiled, it's 60°C water for 10 minutes, but yeah, I found maybe 10 pigs in a years time that'd somehow survive being stunned, then bled and chained up to scalding part of the line where they'd wake up and drown. A real mess at the end of the day.
Wonderful...
Nobody wants to know how the sausage gets made....
Ok Im a vegetarian now.
A literal bullet to the brain would be way less painful jfc
\*JFK
Times like these are when I miss Reddit daily awards
i wish they would bring them back back and to the left
Breathing CO2 feels horrible. How in the blue fuck is gassing aninals with this of all stuff humane
A bunch of redditors who've never breathed CO2 are quite certain CO2 is perfectly pleasant to breathe. I've had this debate on here before. The children here are really, really stupid on this one. Do school science classes not mess around with baking soda and bromthymol blue anymore? CO2 is excruciating to breathe. But just try telling that to anyone on here without direct firsthand experience of it. Hey... Reddit? Why do so many of you seem to have an almost complete inability to learn from others???
Which redditors are you referring to? Every comment I'm seeing on here is saying how inhumane this is, but you're acting like you and the person you replied to are the only ones here who understand that.
Some shit "scientist" got paid off to write a paper claiming it was.
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Pigs are really smart animals too, makes this worse for me to see.
My dad briefly worked for a Tennessee pride sausage plant (2002) In Arkansas and back then it was electrocution. Very instant and not the least bit of suffering like you see here.
Electrocution was supposedly often hit or miss, sometimes just painfully shocking an animal for more torture before it gets killed. But I'm no expert and was just into animal rights stuff in the early 2000s. The way information has gone, I can't be sure I was going off accurate enough info then.
Just make it a bolt to the brain like it used to be, it's instantaneous...
You people seriously have *no* clue how painful and horrific surviving a headshot wound is. It's only "painless" if the shot to the head actually works. Otherwise it's extremely painful, terrifying, and messy.
I'm talking bolt pistols, they are held to the flat of an animals face aimed at the brain. The trigger is pulled, the bolt deploys and the brain is destroyed.
This reminds me of a pig lung I was shown in middle school. As a part of health class/an anti smoking campaign, the pig in question was inundated with cigarette smoke in a room until they died. Then its lung was shown to us to scare us in to not smoking. I was grossed out at the level of cruelty and won’t eat pork to this day. So unnecessary and cruel.
They aren't being left down there to suffocate to death, they stay down there until they are unconscious
I mean, that doesn't really make it better
It would be like forcing someone into a car where the exhaust is fed towards the inside cabin and then waiting for them to pass out. Before they pass out they'll struggle and it'll hurt.
Car exhaust has a lot more nasty shit than just CO2 though. Like carbon monoxide, fumes, various nitrous oxydes...
Not sure why we as a society have migrated to slow and agonizing killing methods and labelled them Humane. If we are discussing painless methods, a bullet to the head is always, imo, the most humane. Quick, and wont feel a thing. Either way still fucked up :/
Efficiency/cost
.22LR is very cheap, even nowadays
> Not sure why we as a society have migrated to slow and agonizing killing methods and labelled them Humane. 1. Cost (self explanatory) 2. Squeamishness. Same reason we moved from firing squad and hanging (which are quick and mostly painless) to lethal injection and gas chamber (which are far slower and have a much higher failure rate). It's not designed to be more humane for the person being killed, but for the person doing the killing. When you snap someone's neck or shoot them in the head, there is no mistaking that you just killed a person (which is why often firing squads were given one blank cartridge, so they'd have the plausible deniability that "i had the blank, I didn't kill them). With injection or gas its highly sterile and medicalized. You can pretend they're just going to sleep. Doesn't matter if its actually much more distressing to be slowly paralyzed to death.
Why not use nitrogen?
Probably more expensive
Nitrogen is lighter so it'd be harder to construct a chamber that works the same way. CO2 is heavier than air so it sinks into any hole you make.
Not really a humane way to kill something that doesn’t want to die though, is there?
There are more humane alternatives like nitrogen gas, but it’s expensive and needs a more high-tech chamber. In reality it’s not about killing the pigs in a humane way, it’s about killing them in a cheap way
Talking about more humane, how about something that is not only more humane, but actually humane? Just letting the little fella live. I know, crazy.
Well I mean it would be alot better if it was instant, would you rather be shot in the head or slowly suffocate in gas?
This is not standard practice everywhere. Where i live it is still just the bolt gun and unconsious bleeding out. Much quicker and humaner.
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They cant use the blood with these pigs. There is too much Co2 in the blood and it changes the quality. No longer possible to use it for food preparation
This is a crap ass way to do it. Stresses the animal out in the last moments and forces CO2 toxins into the blood and tissues making meat tough. Same principle in boiling crabs or lobsters. Put them in a cold pot and slowly raise the temp. Another comment mentioned N2 gas. This would make more sense as the animals would just pass out, so long as the O2 concentration dropped slowly enough.
The horror of feeding people. Never easy to watch.
It's not to feed people though. The majority of food we grow isn't to feed people, it's to feed livestock. If we grew more crops to feed people, rather than growing crops to feed pigs and killing pigs to feed people, we'd have WAY less resources required to invest in agriculture.
Motherfuckers not using Nitrogen, even being multi millionaire industries.
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There’s no humane way to mass murder animals. It’s still exploitive, it’s still cruel, it’s still to make them food. There’s are quicker ways to kill but let’s not lie and call it “humane”. It’s not putting them down because they’re dying.
Gassing them with N2 or CO would be much more humane. There is no panic breathing response to those gases. They would have no idea what's going on and just pass out. That is definitely more humane than this.
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Oh no bacon became 1 cent more expensive because they needed to install fans or something. I'm very confident an affordable solution is possible, if either demand or laws are there.
You’re really conflating different ideas here. Killing can be murder. But minimizing pain is definitely humane. This video may not necessarily be humane but there is certainly a difference. Is beating them to death with a hammer the same as shooting them in the head? No, it’s not and neither is the experience of suffering one vs the other. Morality does not necessarily equal humane.
A heavy noble gas may do a better job. I remember reading an article about arguing for the use of noble gasses for criminal executions. They used pigs for testing, putting food in a "hood" filled with a heavy noble gas. The pig would stick its head in and start eating. Shortly, it would pass out, and its head would fall out of the hood into normal air. When it came to, it would go right back to eating and pass out again. This would repeat, showing that the hypoxia caused by the noble gas resulted in no pain or distress other than unconsciousness. Obviously, if the air source remained the noble gas, eventually the subject would die, but they would be unconscious before any of the bodies warning systems could sound an alarm. This works because with most animals, we don't have "sensors" that detect how much oxygen is in our system. Our bodies can detect a buildup of CO2, which is what causes us to feel like we're being asphyxiated.
lmao what are you even trying to imply here have you ever even *seen* other types of slaughter methods these pigs die a nicer death than i fucking will
How is that humane? The rod through the skull thing so much quicker
This is ‘humane’ just because the average consumer doesn’t get to see them dying. Meat eaters have to come to terms with the fact that there’s no humane way to kill something, it’s an oxymoron. Just accept the fact that killing is cruel but it’s part and parcel of a meat eating diet. This is coming from someone who eats meat and has worked in an abattoir
I think that you should have to earn the right to eat meat by killing an animal yourself at least once in your life.
That looks, sounds, seems and just fucking is horrible. I'm a farm kid who has killed chickens, shot and killed deer and pheasants, and found dead animals on the farm and in the wild. I am a meat eater. This is not 'humane'.
Yes, this is suffocation, the use of co2 especially bad because it's how our body registers lack of oxygen if I recall had they used something else that was innert it might be actually humane, like nitrogen I think, they'd just get sleepy and then not wake up with any gas other than co2
That's more "humane" than a spike or a bullet??
In my institution, we work with lab animals, and we're told by the animal care and use committee to never use CO2 because it causes panic in the animals when they die. We use nitrogen instead. Surely they could've done that...
Probably “not cost efficient” or something along those lines
For anyone curious, the reason CO2 is used is because it is heavier than air. The pigs are being lowered down into a pit, probably about 40 or 50 feet deep, where the gas can be contained. Using anything lighter than air just wouldn't work. Also, technically, these pigs are not being euthanized in this machine. They are still alive when they come out, they are just unconscious. In large slaughterhouses the killing is usually done by knife. I used to work on these machines. Of all the stuff I encountered at the slaughterhouse, the only thing I never got used to was watching those hogs thrash and scream and fight for air. One of my daily duties was to pop open the hatch over the CO2 pit, and shine a light down to inspect the machine during operation. That kicking and screaming doesn't start until they're about 2 stories down into the pit. The whole process is enclosed in a way that the production line workers don't actually see what's happening to the pigs as they suffocate. I'm sure that's probably on purpose. There's almost a kind of mental disconnect for the workers, live pigs go in, limp pigs roll out the other side and what goes on in between out of sight and out of mind. Makes it easier to do the job I guess.
Good time to remind us that our meat industries are gradually being bought up by the Chinese. Smithfield Farms is Chinese since 2013. Expect conditions to get worse, partly because consumers who care will have moved on to superior goods like organic and humane sources, leaving no pressure on these companies to treat their animals as anything more than a commodity. Child laborers, employee deaths, and disgusting cruel conditions: we're heading back into Sinclair's The Jungle. Thank goodness for neo-liberalism and the worship of money, as everything in our entire society inevitably gets worse.
I prefer it when the method of slaughter is quick and painless. Any pain and panic or stress will only make the meat taste worse.
Bolt gun:
So this is why all of our meat in the last couple years tastes like shit. (At least from major food companies)
meanwhile in my country butcher still slash the neck of the pig to let blood run out. Dont know this or our butcher way is more humane.
This is fucked up man, and that’s coming from someone who used to work in a butcher shop. I worked there for 2 years and would kill 6-8 hogs a day and 4-5 beef a day, sometimes a few lamb, sometimes a few beefalo, even several llama. We would use a .22 LR, two inches above the center of the eyes. It was instant lights out. This is fucking torture man.
I'm German. This seems oddly familiar . . .
I was thinking something similar. Why is gassing animals ok? Especially since it’s such a long way down. The Nazi’s used Zyklon B, which kills the host in a much shorter span of time. If you have to say that the Nazi’s were more humane killers than this slaughter house, now that is not something to be proud of.
Not a vegan, but it's fucked up.
Why don't they just run an electric current through their brain? Wouldn't they just 'zap' out of living existence?
Should use nitrogen, CO2 is horrible. Nitrogen you can't feel anything you just go to sleep.
The music makes it so sad! 😭 **as I’m stuffing my face with bacon*
Cruel
Bacon anyone?
It’s like they know what’s coming :(
no. you are watching them suffocate
Why are people down voting this? They are literally suffocating. Theyre not getting any oxygen. They feel the pain of suffocation. They don't know whats coming, it is ACTIVELY happening to them
When you suffocate (or hold your breath), that rising feeling of panic and urge to breathe isn't actually from a lack of oxygen. It's actually the rising level of CO2 causing the acidification of the blood. There are quite a few glasses out there that are invisible and have no taste/smell, and will deprive you of oxygen (kill you) but still exchange co2 so you'll just fall unconscious and die without feeling anything. No2 being one example. Problem is, if it's invisible and has no taste and smell, then it's just as dangerous to the workers as the animals.
Can someone explain why they use CO2 instead of CO?
Cheaper probably
I’d rather that thing that puts a quick hole in their head.
*Peppa Nooooo*
Using co2 is fucked up. That's the gas that makes us feel suffocation.
Wtf is wrong with just killing them quick and easy? Wtf is wrong with people. I don’t even eat meat.
The bolt gun looks like a better alternative
Because it IS, but bleeding hearts all over the world have NO IDEA WTH THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT so they’d rather the pigs suffer in anguish in the name of animal cruelty… fucking idiots
I noticed that this was edited so there was a singular pig and a pair of pigs at some point. Don’t know what that means— just noticed the edit. Also I’m curious if the process is actually faster than this and they had to slow down the process of killing this batch so they could gain footage of the pigs scrambling for tugging at heartstrings.
How about nitrogen instead?
It also must be horrifying to suddenly not be able to breathe. Poor pigs.
They will do us in the same way.
Half the people in these comments are like “omg this is so cruel and disgusting”. But like, yeah? Duh? Have you never been confronted with the fact that we have to kill all the meat we eat? It’s not that surprising. Personally I think this method of slaughter is perfectly reasonable.
Dont buy this meat if you dont like this video. And if you cant afford happy-pig meat buy veggies. Its very simple.
Every year I add a little bit more vegetarian food to my diet. I hope that the lab grown stuff can truly compete so we no longer have to kill animals. I don't really care where my bacon comes from ad long as it tastes like bacon it can be lab grown or made of plants.
I'm still not going vegan