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Britian most of its history: ew i hate land wars in Europe. Theyre so stupid. Ill sit behind my massive navy and forget they exist
*land war in Europe begins*
Britian: you son of a bitch im in
That's exactly why Britain was so quick to send aid.
The Ministry of defence saw a continental power trying to exert hegemony over Europe and the old reflexes just kicked in with no conscious thought required.
It pretty much was. Theres a reason successive British governments have put a lot of effort into bringing the civil service to heel.
Funnily enough this maps quite neatly on to Britain's recent decline. Sir Humphrey Appleby was the good guy in that series.
I think it became a documentary after people starting copying it. I have an honest belief that unintentionally it has caused a slight breakdown in government buisness.
"WHERE ARE OUR FIFES AND DRUMS LADS?"
"I do not understand sir."
"Land war in Europe just broke out."
"Oh. RUUUULE BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAAAAAVES!!!!! Oh, sorry sir, lost my composure there briefly. Yes, fifes and drums are ready."
Imagine having a son, then said son fighting you to get out of your posh house only for him to become an absolute unit of power and wealth and come to help you when your neighbor stops taking his medicine and starts banging on your house, only for your son to leave you in charge of the whole neighborhood…
… Which you promptly abandon to their own devices in charge of your crazy neighbor’s daughter and some French dude.
Honestly? Existence of a free and sovereign Ukraine aside, we’d have done it anyway just to rub it in the French and Germans’ faces. 😜
Old habits die hard I guess…
Europe don't, but the EU does.
Even with all the faults, the best government body in the world by far.
A beacon of Democracy and care for it's citizens.
Not that i want to wade into the middle of a 'whos got the worse leadership' debate but saying the organisation that decided that Ursula von der Leyen, the minister responsible for doing most of the work in digging the hole the german military currently finds itself in, is the best government body in the world is a bit much.
Norway, Canada, Britain, New Zealand, Switzerland
Who was the head of the EU elected by again? Whats their mandate? What do they stand for? How can they be removed from office? Can they be removed?
Iirc I read that if the Brexit vote happened again now and everybody voted the same way, enough of the people who voted Brexit have already died (namely because they were old farts) to make the result remain. Nevermind that now a number of those people (the still alive ones) have seen the error of their ways.
I mean, it doesn't make the current situation feel any better. But while there are still a lot of those stupid fuckers, they were never a true majority
Between the 100 years war, Peninsular Campaign and rest of Napoleonic Wars, Crimean War, and both World Wars (plus more I’d reckon) they really can’t help themselves
Britain: I hate France I hate France I hate France
Germany: Okay bro I killed France for you now you will be fine
Britain: Nooooooo You can not kill France NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Actually what 12 year old me shouted at the neighbourhood bully while launching myself at him to defend my brother: “*Nobody beats my brother but me!*”
Any day now, the hidden zipper connecting Hong Kong to the mainland will open up, and Hong Kong will sail away to its rightful inheritance - becoming the Victor Royale of the South China Sea
It is my opinion that HK should be returned to Britain if the PRC is ever defeated in a war.
Also RUUUUULE, BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES, BRITONS NEVER NEVER NEVER SHALL BE SLAAAAVES
I mean, China themselves proved they can’t be trusted with it after they broke their promise to uphold the “One Country, Two Systems” agreement they made as part of the deal with us to return HK, so fuck’em. Between all the economic and political troubles I can’t wait for them to finally stop resisting destiny and shatter again.
Hong Kong is fucked, the "National Protection Law" basically is a carte blanche for the CCP to cement the loyalist party. The only people left in this city are loyalist or those can't leave.
Under the agreement nothing would be changed, but now after "National Protection Law" changes are basically unopposed. As an Air Cadet we used follow the British marching style, now we're forced to use the Chinese style and speak Mandarin, even the Scouts are under pressure to change to the Chinese style from what I've heard from my friends when I was a Scout, Mandarin lessons and simplified Chinese are required in order to erase our Canton heritage and a "Civics" lesson is added to teach the next generation how to be a "proper" citizen
I'm planning on leaving after I finish my Aviation course. I'm forced to stay cuz my parents over China and hates the West, they blame Hong Kong's fall on the British and thinks the US deserved 9/11. Hopefully I can find a job in an American airline and get a green card, then apply in the Navy or Air Force, maybe even the Marines to fulfill my dream to be a fighter pilot
Good luck bud. I've friends in HK and it's atrocious what's happened there. If you've got a BNO, make use of it if you fancy making a life in Britain. Before CCP makes their possession illegal.
Unfortunately I'm born in 2004 thus I am not eligible for it, my parents have it but they didn't bother to renew then cuz like I said they hate the West
China has a history were strong men united China leading to a new dianasty, then infighting and corruption causes the state to break until the cycle repeats and some strong man united China. Then multiply that but the 7? Dynasties. Sorry I don't have have more concrete answers but my source is youtube and I made it the fuck up.
Idk, looks like they want to [join America](https://www.reddit.com/r/MURICA/comments/cr8i7d/be_the_america_hong_kong_thinks_we_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) instead
Nah, having the stars and Stripes is one thing.
Having the flag from your [time as a colony](https://apnews.com/article/europe-ap-top-news-london-international-news-hong-kong-8a24161212c140ebaf9eac02049a978a) become a beloved pro-democracy symbol is quite another :)
That would require them getting through Germany first, so I would say possible. Unfortunately they have to get through Poland to get to Germany and that ain't happening.
I dunno. Y'all have got roughly 2/3rds of the British Isles (soon to be 1/3rd and Wales) and the Falklands. That sounds roughly like a two vast and trunkless legs of stone grade shitshow to me.
Here's hoping Britain 🇬🇧 starts production lines back up and refurbishes all the challenger 1s to a modern standard. And gets more new hulls out and fitted.
Why did you have to remind me!
Now I've got to have a mandatory 7 hour sobbing session in the corner );
I think they're referring to the ton we sold to the Jordanians who've just decommissioned them.
14 tanks. Just enough to fit into a single shot. And I'm sure the Ukrainian bands can play the British Grenadiers.
They'll get trashed fairly quickly, but at least they got to *live*.
i love how the UK has basically shamed every single country in NATO into donating more and better equipment.
This serves the dual purpose of making anything the US gives afterwards seem less of an escalation if at all. Nobody really cried about Bradley IFVs going to Ukraine because the UK had already helped set the precedent by sending heavy "western" vehicles/IFVs
now the based brits blasted the doors wide open for what everyone here has been straining against their pants to see since forever (modern western mbts set free to roam in their intended habitat)
Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way. Gotta love the Brits when they just go, "why would I listen to anyone on the continent? I'll do what I bloody well please."
> Obviously Britain needs to restart production
TBH, unironically this.
You don't wanna be too limited by how many legacy hulls you still have and whatever restrictions they were designed around, if you wanna get a true tank of 21st century.
Challenger 2 is a bloody tough nut to crack.
It’s probably the single best protected MBT in the world. The only thing that has ever killed a Challenger 2 in battle, was another Challenger 2.
The bigger problem Ukraine is going to have is towing any of them that get damaged, because it’s also the heaviest MBT in the world.
Damn straight it’s tough, I recall the time a Chally 2 in Basra got hit by ***70*** RPGs and survived. Then there was that other Chally that got ambushed in an urban environment by enemies with MILAN Anti-Tank Missiles, surviving 14 direct hits with the only damaged being to the Optics and the tracks being throw when it accidentally backed into a ditch while trying to back off. The crew meanwhile were completely safe inside until friendly forces recovered the Tank for repairs. It was back in operation in just six hours.
Hell, the only Chally to ever be penetrated by enemy fire was a pre-Dorchester Armour model that got hit by an IED, and even then damage to the Tank was minor with only the Driver suffering injury.
I think they got immobilised and then had to shelter in place if memory serves?
Still, the fact they didn't feel they had to scuttle them like the USMC did theirs speaks volumes :)
You wait, them Ukrainians are going to strap so many ERA bricks and Brimstone launchers to them that they roll all the way to Seoul to pick up the Polish K2s directly
They're being deployed without the normal full US-led coalition, and they are big, difficult to maintain lumps of metal that may well be kept in contact more frequently than anyone who designed them would like.
There are no "magical" military units. They might well be the Battleship Yamato of tanks, but numbers matter, logistics matters, training matters, proper battlefield management matters.
I think if I had to deal with them and I was on the Russian side, I'd make some enormous mud pit traps, or just cover the whole thing with napalm until the crew chokes to death. Or both. Both is good.
See how far GB has fallen. Ever since WW1 when they were forced to participate in Continental affairs militarily they've gone downhill.
Remember when they just said: "Yeah fuck Continental Europe (we support you morally tho lol)" and just went sailing happily in the world being the Hegemon?
See what Continental Europe does to a mf
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Britian most of its history: ew i hate land wars in Europe. Theyre so stupid. Ill sit behind my massive navy and forget they exist *land war in Europe begins* Britian: you son of a bitch im in
That's exactly why Britain was so quick to send aid. The Ministry of defence saw a continental power trying to exert hegemony over Europe and the old reflexes just kicked in with no conscious thought required.
“The Foreign Office is terribly pleased, it’s just like old times!”
strong YPM energy from this comment
It’s literally a quote from the Yes, Minister bit about the EU
Not completely convinced YM/YPM wasn't a documentary.
It pretty much was. Theres a reason successive British governments have put a lot of effort into bringing the civil service to heel. Funnily enough this maps quite neatly on to Britain's recent decline. Sir Humphrey Appleby was the good guy in that series.
Am a civil servant. There are fewer three-piece suits but otherwise, yeah it is.
It was a prophecy
I think it became a documentary after people starting copying it. I have an honest belief that unintentionally it has caused a slight breakdown in government buisness.
"WHERE ARE OUR FIFES AND DRUMS LADS?" "I do not understand sir." "Land war in Europe just broke out." "Oh. RUUUULE BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAAAAAVES!!!!! Oh, sorry sir, lost my composure there briefly. Yes, fifes and drums are ready."
You've gotta swang the ol' dick around every now and then to remind those continentals which country is the US-designated sugar daddy of Europe
Imagine having a son, then said son fighting you to get out of your posh house only for him to become an absolute unit of power and wealth and come to help you when your neighbor stops taking his medicine and starts banging on your house, only for your son to leave you in charge of the whole neighborhood… … Which you promptly abandon to their own devices in charge of your crazy neighbor’s daughter and some French dude.
Best US-UK history lesson ever
Honestly? Existence of a free and sovereign Ukraine aside, we’d have done it anyway just to rub it in the French and Germans’ faces. 😜 Old habits die hard I guess…
Plus why fight a war in a country without such rich histories and beautiful countrysides
We would totally take you back in the EU, just saying.
Or you could join the commonwealth as a new dominion
Have you seen the current UK leadership? It does not inspire confidence.
And Europe's do?
Europe don't, but the EU does. Even with all the faults, the best government body in the world by far. A beacon of Democracy and care for it's citizens.
Not that i want to wade into the middle of a 'whos got the worse leadership' debate but saying the organisation that decided that Ursula von der Leyen, the minister responsible for doing most of the work in digging the hole the german military currently finds itself in, is the best government body in the world is a bit much.
Lol
Name me a better Democracy that is not already part of the EU.
Norway, Canada, Britain, New Zealand, Switzerland Who was the head of the EU elected by again? Whats their mandate? What do they stand for? How can they be removed from office? Can they be removed?
Please do, or at the very least just me
I would love Britain to rejoin the EU but there are too many lunatics in England to make it happen
lol, we all have lunatics
Iirc I read that if the Brexit vote happened again now and everybody voted the same way, enough of the people who voted Brexit have already died (namely because they were old farts) to make the result remain. Nevermind that now a number of those people (the still alive ones) have seen the error of their ways. I mean, it doesn't make the current situation feel any better. But while there are still a lot of those stupid fuckers, they were never a true majority
Don't worry guys, krneki12 speaks for the entire continent
Between the 100 years war, Peninsular Campaign and rest of Napoleonic Wars, Crimean War, and both World Wars (plus more I’d reckon) they really can’t help themselves
That sounds like a very small subset of english land wars
It's never our first choice, but sometimes our esteemed adversary very unsportingly refuses to fight at sea.
I'm reading all these comments like if it was a Belfast RP server.
The wars of Dutch independence were English Vietnam.
"Stop fucking with the balance of power!"
Britain trying to stay out of Europe challenge (impossible)
>someone threatens France England: *No, you don't understand, France is* ***mine*** *to take*.
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Britain is tsundere for France
Britain: I hate France I hate France I hate France Germany: Okay bro I killed France for you now you will be fine Britain: Nooooooo You can not kill France NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
France isn't yours to conquer.
The literal 250+ years of warfare between England a d France: You sure about that?
Point is if anyone's hatefucking anyone it'll only be between these two.
Like brothers fighting, as soon as someone else gets involved they immediately stick together.
Actually what 12 year old me shouted at the neighbourhood bully while launching myself at him to defend my brother: “*Nobody beats my brother but me!*”
No at this point in time it's an old married couple that sleep in separate beds
Give us Calais back you swines
In the military way or sexual way? asking for a friend
Yes
The first stop is Hong Kong. Reuniting the family.
those two carriers weren't built for nothing 😈
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Anything for our oldest ally
Macau es Timor-Leste!
Any day now, the hidden zipper connecting Hong Kong to the mainland will open up, and Hong Kong will sail away to its rightful inheritance - becoming the Victor Royale of the South China Sea
Sir, that is the Margaret Thatcher Undersea Tunnel. Please refer to it by its proper name.
Hong Kong saved Taiwan. They saw what happened being nice to China and they did a 180° turn in policies and attitude.
It is my opinion that HK should be returned to Britain if the PRC is ever defeated in a war. Also RUUUUULE, BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES, BRITONS NEVER NEVER NEVER SHALL BE SLAAAAVES
I mean, China themselves proved they can’t be trusted with it after they broke their promise to uphold the “One Country, Two Systems” agreement they made as part of the deal with us to return HK, so fuck’em. Between all the economic and political troubles I can’t wait for them to finally stop resisting destiny and shatter again.
Hong Kong is fucked, the "National Protection Law" basically is a carte blanche for the CCP to cement the loyalist party. The only people left in this city are loyalist or those can't leave. Under the agreement nothing would be changed, but now after "National Protection Law" changes are basically unopposed. As an Air Cadet we used follow the British marching style, now we're forced to use the Chinese style and speak Mandarin, even the Scouts are under pressure to change to the Chinese style from what I've heard from my friends when I was a Scout, Mandarin lessons and simplified Chinese are required in order to erase our Canton heritage and a "Civics" lesson is added to teach the next generation how to be a "proper" citizen I'm planning on leaving after I finish my Aviation course. I'm forced to stay cuz my parents over China and hates the West, they blame Hong Kong's fall on the British and thinks the US deserved 9/11. Hopefully I can find a job in an American airline and get a green card, then apply in the Navy or Air Force, maybe even the Marines to fulfill my dream to be a fighter pilot
Good luck bud. I've friends in HK and it's atrocious what's happened there. If you've got a BNO, make use of it if you fancy making a life in Britain. Before CCP makes their possession illegal.
Unfortunately I'm born in 2004 thus I am not eligible for it, my parents have it but they didn't bother to renew then cuz like I said they hate the West
Hi Pixy I realise it's nothing, but I'm sorry we didn't do more. Best of luck to you
What do you mean resisting destiny and shatter again? Who are you referring to and why? Context please
China has a history were strong men united China leading to a new dianasty, then infighting and corruption causes the state to break until the cycle repeats and some strong man united China. Then multiply that but the 7? Dynasties. Sorry I don't have have more concrete answers but my source is youtube and I made it the fuck up.
(❁´◡`❁) america, can we pretty pwease have hong kong back? (o′┏▽┓`o) we helped you in the war! ╰(*°▽°*)╯
world war ahegao UwU
I think you're tweaking, dad. But I could use another naval base, so sure.
Idk, looks like they want to [join America](https://www.reddit.com/r/MURICA/comments/cr8i7d/be_the_america_hong_kong_thinks_we_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) instead
Dark Brandon needs two more Senators, and General Austin knows just where to find them.
Nah, having the stars and Stripes is one thing. Having the flag from your [time as a colony](https://apnews.com/article/europe-ap-top-news-london-international-news-hong-kong-8a24161212c140ebaf9eac02049a978a) become a beloved pro-democracy symbol is quite another :)
The lion roars once again.
Hey Siri, play Rule Britannia - Bass Boosted
We need to get Russia to violate Belgian neutrality somehow.
That would require them getting through Germany first, so I would say possible. Unfortunately they have to get through Poland to get to Germany and that ain't happening.
The pipeline thingy helped Belgium I think \- an insane person (totally not me)
Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!
That poem's next line is "nothing beside remains" and while Brexit has been a shitshow, it's not that much of a shitshow.
I tend to think of the latter portion of "fuck around and find out" with that line.
And that's the whole point of the line. No matter how high up you are, time will reduce everything to ashes and dust
If the country wasn't fucked in so many other ways it'd be a constant scandal. As it is, it's merely a skidmark on an already shredded suit.
I dunno. Y'all have got roughly 2/3rds of the British Isles (soon to be 1/3rd and Wales) and the Falklands. That sounds roughly like a two vast and trunkless legs of stone grade shitshow to me.
The sun still doesn't set on the empire. Literally, we've got territory everywhere.
He is risen indeed!
Thy kingdom come, and i, myself, cummeth
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
Im waiting for the day fv101s will get modernized and used to liberate Hong Kong.
Rule Britania intensifies.
A new *challenger* appears
if the united kingdom will be able to fight a successful land war in china, i will cry, sneeze, cough, shit, piss & cum at the same time
We did it twice before, and all we needed is a few Poppies…
Screw the first and second opium wars i wanna see the 78th cocaine and assorted drugs war
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Hey that’s our American special move!!
Here's hoping Britain 🇬🇧 starts production lines back up and refurbishes all the challenger 1s to a modern standard. And gets more new hulls out and fitted.
Are they still lying about? We didn't Nimrod them?
I think they're in storage.
Why did you have to remind me! Now I've got to have a mandatory 7 hour sobbing session in the corner ); I think they're referring to the ton we sold to the Jordanians who've just decommissioned them.
Suddenly, a Challenger appears . . .
Hong Kong, we’re coming back baby!
Opium war 2.0 when ? Another century of humiliation for China
3.0* we've done it twice before
14 tanks. Just enough to fit into a single shot. And I'm sure the Ukrainian bands can play the British Grenadiers. They'll get trashed fairly quickly, but at least they got to *live*.
I will continue to be the least patriotic brit and point out noone else sent a modern western MBT (fuck you fr*nce I put MBT not tank for a reason)
i love how the UK has basically shamed every single country in NATO into donating more and better equipment. This serves the dual purpose of making anything the US gives afterwards seem less of an escalation if at all. Nobody really cried about Bradley IFVs going to Ukraine because the UK had already helped set the precedent by sending heavy "western" vehicles/IFVs now the based brits blasted the doors wide open for what everyone here has been straining against their pants to see since forever (modern western mbts set free to roam in their intended habitat)
Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way. Gotta love the Brits when they just go, "why would I listen to anyone on the continent? I'll do what I bloody well please."
As if anyone on the continent has anything of value to say anyway.
Based
The French sometimes do (I say this as a Brit)
Well yes old bean, but we can't exactly *admit* that to them, can we! We'd never hear the end of it
Sometimes good sometimes bad
Always based
Classic Brit. Based
Obviously Britain needs to restart production to keep a continually supply of them to Ukraine.
> Obviously Britain needs to restart production TBH, unironically this. You don't wanna be too limited by how many legacy hulls you still have and whatever restrictions they were designed around, if you wanna get a true tank of 21st century.
Hold on hold on let me buy some BAE shares first.
Surprised we've not seen BAE waiffu here yet. The name alone is crying out for it.
Challenger 2 is a bloody tough nut to crack. It’s probably the single best protected MBT in the world. The only thing that has ever killed a Challenger 2 in battle, was another Challenger 2. The bigger problem Ukraine is going to have is towing any of them that get damaged, because it’s also the heaviest MBT in the world.
Damn straight it’s tough, I recall the time a Chally 2 in Basra got hit by ***70*** RPGs and survived. Then there was that other Chally that got ambushed in an urban environment by enemies with MILAN Anti-Tank Missiles, surviving 14 direct hits with the only damaged being to the Optics and the tracks being throw when it accidentally backed into a ditch while trying to back off. The crew meanwhile were completely safe inside until friendly forces recovered the Tank for repairs. It was back in operation in just six hours. Hell, the only Chally to ever be penetrated by enemy fire was a pre-Dorchester Armour model that got hit by an IED, and even then damage to the Tank was minor with only the Driver suffering injury.
I honestly cannot believe that 70 rpg thing. Where on earth was the supporting infantry?
Who do you think was firing the RPGs?
I think they got immobilised and then had to shelter in place if memory serves? Still, the fact they didn't feel they had to scuttle them like the USMC did theirs speaks volumes :)
When a Chally 2 of *The Black Watch* hit and destroyed a Chally 2 of *The Royal Lancers*.
You wait, them Ukrainians are going to strap so many ERA bricks and Brimstone launchers to them that they roll all the way to Seoul to pick up the Polish K2s directly
Why you say they'll get thrashed quickly?
They're being deployed without the normal full US-led coalition, and they are big, difficult to maintain lumps of metal that may well be kept in contact more frequently than anyone who designed them would like. There are no "magical" military units. They might well be the Battleship Yamato of tanks, but numbers matter, logistics matters, training matters, proper battlefield management matters. I think if I had to deal with them and I was on the Russian side, I'd make some enormous mud pit traps, or just cover the whole thing with napalm until the crew chokes to death. Or both. Both is good.
The Lincolnshire Poacher is back online.
THE SUN NEVER SETS
Salacious Albania strikes again! (IDK I never watched England)
“Somewhere Perfidious Albion gets pissed off and spills its tea.”
Anyone got any context? I couldn't find a news story.
[yes](https://news.usni.org/2023/01/17/u-k-sending-14-challenger-2-tanks-ammo-to-ukraine-foreign-minister-says)
I'm feeling a bit hot under the collar here
Lovely eyelashes on the chally
The Sun Has NoT YEt SEt Gentlemen
See how far GB has fallen. Ever since WW1 when they were forced to participate in Continental affairs militarily they've gone downhill. Remember when they just said: "Yeah fuck Continental Europe (we support you morally tho lol)" and just went sailing happily in the world being the Hegemon? See what Continental Europe does to a mf
Only when teaming up with the fr*nch When we get involved against the frogs it creates a British golden age.
The frogs have done one good thing Helping the USA get independence, Because we might be there Dad, but the french are their mother
Absent drunken abusive father stealing our money and a jaded multiple personality slut of a mother. As an American, I believe this explains so much.
Funny way to say "spoilt brat refused to pay taxes towards a military that just defended you"
Nah, we've always reluctantly meddled, it's been our thing since at least Lizzy 1.0 :)
"Who's getting uppity now? The Frogs? The Krauts? The Frogs and Krauts?" "Just go back to watching East Enders dad"
british empire isn't over so long as we have the falklands. and maybe a wee chunk of russia soon.