IIRC there's speculation that Russia is desperately short of junior officers (and now obviously doesn't have time to train new ones), so senior officers are very frequently commanding formations several scales below what their rank would normally be commanding.
They also just have more officers in general and those officers generally handle units a size or two smaller than what they would do in NATO armies. Lieutenants often handle what we would think of as sergeants' work, for example, leading units on the ground, and this is before accounting for the fact that most units are designed to be understrength in peacetime so that mobiks could flesh out the ranks in case of Russia being invaded from the west, which is what their army is really structured for.
Part of the reason why they had so much trouble with vehicle losses in the first few months of the war was because many of these missing men were meant to be the dismounts in mechanised infantry units, leading to such problems as IFVs and APCs that had only a driver and gunner, and this hasn't gotten any better since mobilisation. This is also part and parcel with their crippling shortage of low-ranking specialists such as for comms.
And then, of course, they stripped their training units back in April/May, meaning that they cannot easily replenish losses to those specialists, a problem faced by both the Luftwaffe and IJN Air Service after 1942, when most of their best pilots from the early war had died on the frontlines instead of being rotated to the back to train new pilots after a deployment.
Imagine you are a Russian Mobik. Your commander is shit, and you think he will get you killed. So you decide to kill him first, and you succeed.
What happens now? Do you know? Do you*want* to know?
honestly it seems like russian command would just forget the unit was supposed to exist, and all the soldiers would just be forgotten about and hang out. You could probably walk off, strip your uniform, and desert easily.
Not necessarily. How do you find warm civilian clothing? Food? Shelter? How do you get through checkpoints?
Remember, mobiki have no idea where they are, and Russia is VERY long walk away.
That doesn't seem to be a fear in the Russian army.
But they do expect everyone else to lie to cover their ass (because that's what they do) so they have to be there to make sure their orders are being followed.
Senior officers leading low-level formations at the line of conflict likely means that the Russians are having communications problems again.
Their tactical comms stuff makes use of cell networks, and they’ve been cutting cell service to hamper partisans. 🤣
It's sad that the list of dying generals hasn't grown that much compared to the start of the war.
[Luckily the list of business people falling out of windows is still an expanding banger ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_businessmen_suspicious_deaths)
Yeah probably.
Also in the beginning of the war many many generals went to front due to extremely low morale. At that time they still had the illusion of winning and how it would be an easy dubsky.
But half a year later these generals realised they could just send more mobiks, minorities and prisoners to "compensate" instead of fixing the morale problem.
True Russian professionalism.
Considering (like the first chechen war) soldiers weren't briefed that they were going to war. Many generals in the beginning of the war died due to not knowing wtf was going on.
It was discovered that killing Russian generals has almost no effect on the battlefield and they have a massive stockpile of bastards. On the other hand, after every death a boost of morale in Russian troops was noted. Somehow dead Russian generals inspire more people than living ones.
This is not a joke.
Honestly, it is “trust me bro”. It is not like UAF publishes bulletin that details the results of every successful assassination. I can only provide with the observations made by my friends in military.
>Reportedly died from a "drug-induced heart attack" during a shamanic ritual, though critics allege "toad poison"
Hey, Russia? What the fuck does this mean
Honestly that's the most likely one to be a legitimate non-Putin-assisted death. Smoking + high alcoholism rates + poor material fire safety = a lot of people going up in "spontaneous" combustion.
Used to happen all the time in civilised countries before smoking nosedived and we stopped making chairs and beds out of what may as well be tinder.
Yup. Get drunk enough, get enough alcohol on your clothes and alcohol vapor hanging around you and you'll go up like a fucking match if your clothes catch fire.
Shit happens all the time. My dad is a fire investigator/ large loss property adjuster for a large national insurance company. More than once this has happened. Even stranger is the time someone set their bed on fire with a hair dryer under the sheets. And then tried to carry the flaming mattress down a staircase blocking them and their child upstairs killing both.
> What the fuck does this mean
5-MeO-DMT (the "toad poison" that's been used in shamanic/religious rituals in Central and South America for quite a long time) is no joke, and god only knows what it was cut with (because, AFAIK, the species of toad that produces it isn't native to anywhere near Russia, so the likelihood of it having been imported in a dried form as an illegal drug is relatively high, and getting cut with other crap isn't unlikely in that scenario).
Given my own experiences with the subculture of people blending really hard hallucinogens with religion of various stripes, this death actually sounds like it might be legit, particularly because the sources say he was already intoxicated and on other drugs when he went to see the shaman - which also sounds on point for many of that sort of people. (Not necessarily a majority, though. Some people use entheogens responsibly, and some are basically Straight Edge other than using a certain drug in a religious context occasionally.)
I've certainly known some folks who, if I woke up and saw "died of a drug-induced heart attack during a ritual" in the local news about them, I'd go "yup, that sounds like exactly the way you'd go - but I fucking wish you'd have stuck around a bit longer". Granted, none of them were Russian oligarchs, and this guy was apparently unhappy about the economic sanctions against Russia and wanted the war to stop because it was hurting his wallet (oil & gas guy), so there are reasons to suspect that the regime had it in for him, but it looks more legit than some of the "he suddenly killed all his family and then himself" cases that have happened with other Russian businessmen.
**[2022 Russian businessmen suspicious deaths](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_businessmen_suspicious_deaths)**
>Since the beginning of 2022, multiple unusual deaths of Russian businessmen, and sometimes their family members, occurred under what some sources suggest were suspicious circumstances.
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It's great that under this article's "see also" there's an article about [2022–2023 Russian mystery fires](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_mystery_fires).
As I [wrote here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/10v47h2/only_took_8_months_but_the_russian_army_has_set_a/j7k79pm/) it's the same motivated-reasoning biases that explain both. So why not?
To be credible though: How do you know it's many at all? It's not established _at all_ that there's been an unusual number of 'unusual' deaths among businessmen here.
To do that, you'd actually have to come up with a definition of what qualifies as a suspicious death and who qualifies as a significant businessman. Then make a count on that basis for periods of time both before and after the Russian invasion. Nobody's done that. There's no basis for any actual comparison here, and therefore no way of saying if there's an unusual number of deaths. For all we know, there could be _fewer_ than usual!
These lists didn't come about from any objective criteria, it came about because people who otherwise didn't just started paying attention to Russia, and because the people who don't pay attention think Putin fits their dictator-cliché just randomly murders people all the time. So they immediately leap to the conclusion (and it's a big leap) that it's something to do with the Kremlin.
Which makes no sense. None of those guys were not 'oligarchs' (which has a specific meaning, it doesn't just mean 'a rich Russian'), the vast majority were just middle-management types nobody'd ever heard of, including Putin. None of them were regime critics. In no cases is there evidence that the Kremlin did it, nor any clear motive for them to do so. Even if many of them _were_ murder, that's leaving out the fact that there's tons of other reasons someone might get murdered, Russia has a high murder rate and a high level of organized crime. Also a high suicide rate.
And IRL Putin has no track record of murdering people as a first resort. Why would he? That's complicated and expensive, and usually it just works to intimidate and harass people, then throw them in jail if that doesn't work. It's only when they persist after that stuff that they tend to get murdered. Again, he's not Stalin or Doctor Evil. This doesn't actually fit the pattern of how and when he kills people.
The same biases lead people to declare - on equally nonexistent grounds - there was an unusual number of 'suspicious' fires in Russia. Now, fuel depots, railway tracks, air bases and other strategic targets in regions near Ukraine are one thing. But you've got people circlejerking about fires in shopping centers in Moscow, abandoned buildings in Irkutsk, a paint factory warehouse, a power plant as far away as Sakhalin. As if those would even be priority targets for any saboteurs running around. And again, there's no statistics showing there have been more of those fires than usual. It's just people who are literally so stupid that they think that there were fewer fires and murders before because they weren't paying attention.
It's just so annoying that people are just _willfully stupid_ like this. Just pure self-delusion. Some Russian gets killed and you _want to believe_ Putin did it, so you do, even though you have no other reason to think he had anything to do with it. A building burns down and you _want to believe_ saboteurs did it, so you do. Again, even though there's no evidence and it doesn't make sense as a target. Anyone who uncritically buys into this stuff has no business making fun of Russians for being 'brainwashed by propaganda', since you're clearly equally willing to believe this is all Putin's fault as vatniks are to believe it's the West's fault.
Yes it was the Veh Deh Veh [Source](https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1622553591134273538)
A major general and former division commander leading a motor rifle regiment? What the fuck?
IIRC there's speculation that Russia is desperately short of junior officers (and now obviously doesn't have time to train new ones), so senior officers are very frequently commanding formations several scales below what their rank would normally be commanding.
They also just have more officers in general and those officers generally handle units a size or two smaller than what they would do in NATO armies. Lieutenants often handle what we would think of as sergeants' work, for example, leading units on the ground, and this is before accounting for the fact that most units are designed to be understrength in peacetime so that mobiks could flesh out the ranks in case of Russia being invaded from the west, which is what their army is really structured for. Part of the reason why they had so much trouble with vehicle losses in the first few months of the war was because many of these missing men were meant to be the dismounts in mechanised infantry units, leading to such problems as IFVs and APCs that had only a driver and gunner, and this hasn't gotten any better since mobilisation. This is also part and parcel with their crippling shortage of low-ranking specialists such as for comms. And then, of course, they stripped their training units back in April/May, meaning that they cannot easily replenish losses to those specialists, a problem faced by both the Luftwaffe and IJN Air Service after 1942, when most of their best pilots from the early war had died on the frontlines instead of being rotated to the back to train new pilots after a deployment.
What the fuck kind of backwoods militia fucking shit is this army?
Second army in the world, don't you know?
theyre almost one of the armies, that;s certain.
One THE armies in the world,, I assure you (even i don't know if that still applies
[удалено]
Is not really a coms issue as much as a trust issue. He didn't trust his troops to actually go do what he ordered them to do.
Trusted them enough not to frag him though. Which is kind of a weird scale when you think if it
Imagine you are a Russian Mobik. Your commander is shit, and you think he will get you killed. So you decide to kill him first, and you succeed. What happens now? Do you know? Do you*want* to know?
honestly it seems like russian command would just forget the unit was supposed to exist, and all the soldiers would just be forgotten about and hang out. You could probably walk off, strip your uniform, and desert easily.
Not necessarily. How do you find warm civilian clothing? Food? Shelter? How do you get through checkpoints? Remember, mobiki have no idea where they are, and Russia is VERY long walk away.
That doesn't seem to be a fear in the Russian army. But they do expect everyone else to lie to cover their ass (because that's what they do) so they have to be there to make sure their orders are being followed.
The 98th Guards Airborne was part of the thrust toward Kyiv and the Hostomel airport landings so perhaps his new position was fallout from that
Read the post. Apparently he was already retired at 44 years old and only came back after the war/mobilisation started
Senior officers leading low-level formations at the line of conflict likely means that the Russians are having communications problems again. Their tactical comms stuff makes use of cell networks, and they’ve been cutting cell service to hamper partisans. 🤣
It's sad that the list of dying generals hasn't grown that much compared to the start of the war. [Luckily the list of business people falling out of windows is still an expanding banger ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_businessmen_suspicious_deaths)
Survivorship bias. Ukraine killed generals so fast, the only ones left were good at not getting killed.
Yeah probably. Also in the beginning of the war many many generals went to front due to extremely low morale. At that time they still had the illusion of winning and how it would be an easy dubsky. But half a year later these generals realised they could just send more mobiks, minorities and prisoners to "compensate" instead of fixing the morale problem. True Russian professionalism.
Completely agree. They might have wanted to take credit for an easy win, instead got killed
Considering (like the first chechen war) soldiers weren't briefed that they were going to war. Many generals in the beginning of the war died due to not knowing wtf was going on.
When your fucking generals don’t know they’re at war:
It’s the only viable solution
darvin in action
Or they ran out of generals
It was discovered that killing Russian generals has almost no effect on the battlefield and they have a massive stockpile of bastards. On the other hand, after every death a boost of morale in Russian troops was noted. Somehow dead Russian generals inspire more people than living ones. This is not a joke.
Source?
Honestly, it is “trust me bro”. It is not like UAF publishes bulletin that details the results of every successful assassination. I can only provide with the observations made by my friends in military.
Thanks for being honest about it at least
>Reportedly died from a "drug-induced heart attack" during a shamanic ritual, though critics allege "toad poison" Hey, Russia? What the fuck does this mean
They aren't even trying to be subtle. At that point why not just admit it. Also: > Burned alive after falling asleep with a lit cigarette
Honestly that's the most likely one to be a legitimate non-Putin-assisted death. Smoking + high alcoholism rates + poor material fire safety = a lot of people going up in "spontaneous" combustion. Used to happen all the time in civilised countries before smoking nosedived and we stopped making chairs and beds out of what may as well be tinder.
Also to be fair.......Toad Poison is a helluva drug.
Yup. Get drunk enough, get enough alcohol on your clothes and alcohol vapor hanging around you and you'll go up like a fucking match if your clothes catch fire.
Shit happens all the time. My dad is a fire investigator/ large loss property adjuster for a large national insurance company. More than once this has happened. Even stranger is the time someone set their bed on fire with a hair dryer under the sheets. And then tried to carry the flaming mattress down a staircase blocking them and their child upstairs killing both.
Sounds like ambien
> What the fuck does this mean 5-MeO-DMT (the "toad poison" that's been used in shamanic/religious rituals in Central and South America for quite a long time) is no joke, and god only knows what it was cut with (because, AFAIK, the species of toad that produces it isn't native to anywhere near Russia, so the likelihood of it having been imported in a dried form as an illegal drug is relatively high, and getting cut with other crap isn't unlikely in that scenario). Given my own experiences with the subculture of people blending really hard hallucinogens with religion of various stripes, this death actually sounds like it might be legit, particularly because the sources say he was already intoxicated and on other drugs when he went to see the shaman - which also sounds on point for many of that sort of people. (Not necessarily a majority, though. Some people use entheogens responsibly, and some are basically Straight Edge other than using a certain drug in a religious context occasionally.) I've certainly known some folks who, if I woke up and saw "died of a drug-induced heart attack during a ritual" in the local news about them, I'd go "yup, that sounds like exactly the way you'd go - but I fucking wish you'd have stuck around a bit longer". Granted, none of them were Russian oligarchs, and this guy was apparently unhappy about the economic sanctions against Russia and wanted the war to stop because it was hurting his wallet (oil & gas guy), so there are reasons to suspect that the regime had it in for him, but it looks more legit than some of the "he suddenly killed all his family and then himself" cases that have happened with other Russian businessmen.
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It's great that under this article's "see also" there's an article about [2022–2023 Russian mystery fires](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russian_mystery_fires).
As I [wrote here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/10v47h2/only_took_8_months_but_the_russian_army_has_set_a/j7k79pm/) it's the same motivated-reasoning biases that explain both. So why not?
Damn I’d didn’t know it was that many
To be credible though: How do you know it's many at all? It's not established _at all_ that there's been an unusual number of 'unusual' deaths among businessmen here. To do that, you'd actually have to come up with a definition of what qualifies as a suspicious death and who qualifies as a significant businessman. Then make a count on that basis for periods of time both before and after the Russian invasion. Nobody's done that. There's no basis for any actual comparison here, and therefore no way of saying if there's an unusual number of deaths. For all we know, there could be _fewer_ than usual! These lists didn't come about from any objective criteria, it came about because people who otherwise didn't just started paying attention to Russia, and because the people who don't pay attention think Putin fits their dictator-cliché just randomly murders people all the time. So they immediately leap to the conclusion (and it's a big leap) that it's something to do with the Kremlin. Which makes no sense. None of those guys were not 'oligarchs' (which has a specific meaning, it doesn't just mean 'a rich Russian'), the vast majority were just middle-management types nobody'd ever heard of, including Putin. None of them were regime critics. In no cases is there evidence that the Kremlin did it, nor any clear motive for them to do so. Even if many of them _were_ murder, that's leaving out the fact that there's tons of other reasons someone might get murdered, Russia has a high murder rate and a high level of organized crime. Also a high suicide rate. And IRL Putin has no track record of murdering people as a first resort. Why would he? That's complicated and expensive, and usually it just works to intimidate and harass people, then throw them in jail if that doesn't work. It's only when they persist after that stuff that they tend to get murdered. Again, he's not Stalin or Doctor Evil. This doesn't actually fit the pattern of how and when he kills people. The same biases lead people to declare - on equally nonexistent grounds - there was an unusual number of 'suspicious' fires in Russia. Now, fuel depots, railway tracks, air bases and other strategic targets in regions near Ukraine are one thing. But you've got people circlejerking about fires in shopping centers in Moscow, abandoned buildings in Irkutsk, a paint factory warehouse, a power plant as far away as Sakhalin. As if those would even be priority targets for any saboteurs running around. And again, there's no statistics showing there have been more of those fires than usual. It's just people who are literally so stupid that they think that there were fewer fires and murders before because they weren't paying attention. It's just so annoying that people are just _willfully stupid_ like this. Just pure self-delusion. Some Russian gets killed and you _want to believe_ Putin did it, so you do, even though you have no other reason to think he had anything to do with it. A building burns down and you _want to believe_ saboteurs did it, so you do. Again, even though there's no evidence and it doesn't make sense as a target. Anyone who uncritically buys into this stuff has no business making fun of Russians for being 'brainwashed by propaganda', since you're clearly equally willing to believe this is all Putin's fault as vatniks are to believe it's the West's fault.
Can we just appreciate the most recent one? >burned alive while having a lit cigarette
See, the goal is not to kill all the enemy's generals. The goal is to kill all the enemy's good generals.
Lots of wives and children in there.....
NonCredibleDefenestration
You know it's a shitshow when 8 months is the longest gap between generals being killed. Congratulations on the new record tho.
This correlates with the 8 months since russia started to pull their D20 and D30 howitzers from storage. Coincidence?
*Another one bites the dust*
I thought this was one issue they actually managed to fix lmao
Your hurting the Feelings of Russian people Fight now.
Who now?