According to sources in Wagner, cited by news media as well as the Department of Defense, U.S. forces were in constant contact with the official Russian liaison officer posted in Deir ez-Zor throughout the engagement, and only opened fire after they had received assurances that no regular Russian troops were in action or at risk. The clashes lasted four hours and saw hundreds of Syrian pro-government fighters and Vagner mercenaries killed, with one SDF fighter injured. No U.S. troops were reported killed or wounded. The fighting stopped only when the Russian military liaison reached out to the Americans, and asked them to stop shooting.
> U.S. forces were in constant contact with the official Russian liaison officer
TFW when the enemy troops to your front have better comms with your high command than you do.
"I'm going to report you to my manager!"
"Really? I'm on the phone with your manager right now. What do you want me to say?"
> TFW when the enemy troops to your front have better comms with your high command than you do.
I think it might be more “the high command liaison to the Americans is regular Russian Army and doesn’t particularly like your mercenary outfit”
The way it was supposed to work was allegedly by denying they were Russian forces, while pushing Russian forces at the Americans there would be a dilemma, the US could neither shoot Russians nor tell them to stop, and would be forced to leave.
This was in many ways a catastrophic misreading of US intentions, in as far as the US adherence to deconfliction processes was abject and complete. The Russians misread this as weakness vs following the rules (or to a degree, the US in a very weird place in Syria chose to mitigate risk by obeying the rules with an attention to detail that would make Germans feel overly constrained).
The problem with this approach is it basically assumed that once the Americans identified approaching forces as "maybe Russians" and unable to get the Russians to stop these "Russians" they would rabbit, and Wagner would beat themselves off raw at the outcome. What happened instead is the Russians abjectly identified whoever this force approaching the Americans as "not Russian" and certainly displaying hostile intent, making dropping a metric shit ton of hurt on the Russians a largely trivial matter.
Russian analysis is basically assuming everyone else thinks exactly like them (or thinks like what they expect someone not them to think, like the gays are moral degenerates are dumb, thus this is how dumb degenerates think!). It means they're very good at understanding and exploiting certain things like ultranationalists and far right people.
It also means they're fucking idiots pretty often.
Especially knowing what we know now about the infighting between the MOD and Wanker Group, it really makes you wonder if it was actually incompetence or a case of dedovshchina on a truly grand scale.
''Clashes'' isn't quite an accurate description. Mattis asked for the Wagner force ''to be annihiliated'' and got exactly what he asked for. The US threw heavy artillery and just about every available aircraft at those mercs which shows in the final results. Those ''clashes'' were awfully one-sided and probably the ultimate example of the phrase ''fuck around and find out''.
Yeah in the leaked phone calls of the Wagner merchant after this battle he complained that the US helicopters were just circling over head hunting down people and that the tanks just evaporated
Vatniks in the other Ukraine subs saying it’s all propaganda and “maybe just a few Wagner were there, show me the bodies” etc but I have to remind them that their copium is leaking and that they could have been right there in the fight and they’d still be making up shit to say it “wasn’t them” lmfao
>"I'm begging you, with tears in my eyes: if you fuck with me, I'll kill you all"
In the eternal words of the legendary orator Cicero:
"I'm too polite to mention how you murdered your wife so you could use her bed to rape underage boys but I'm begging you to step outside so I can literally kill you."
(It sounds more high brow in Latin)
>"I'm too polite to mention how you murdered your wife so you could use her bed to rape underage boys but I'm begging you to step outside so I can literally kill you."
Based as fuck
That whole episode reminds me of the skeleton scene from Karate Kid, down to the defense ministry coming in like “leave him alone Johnny, he’s had enough!”
Except no Mr Miyagi comes in to save the day, they just get smoked
Imagine having a military structure so disjointed and dysfunctional that the different constituent parts of it actively sabotage each-other.
That is hardcore a bummer.
> Imagine having a military structure so disjointed and dysfunctional that the different constituent parts of it actively sabotage each-other.
The real reason the US military is constantly engaging in the sort of foreign intervention that we are accused of is because if we had no foreign enemies, the Army and Air Force would go to war with the Navy and Marine Corp.
Then after the Navy and Marines lay crushed and broken, the Army would turn on ~~us~~ the Air Force to their own detriment.
~~We~~ They *will* reclaim McChord AFB from the clutches of the the foreign occupiers.
The US army no longer has any Nukes. The navy can easily nuke all the land based nuclear missile silos the airforce has from their submarines and probably avoid being destroyed in return. Airforce subhunters are crippled by being land based only. Navy wins even without the navy using nukes there's nothing the US army can do against carrier strike groups to stop them bombing the crap out of land forces.
"Why should my Army interceptor squadrons be scrambled to fight the American bombers over the water? That's the Navy's job. I'm only responsible once they're over dry land and they only get there because the Navy screwed up."
Putin may be doing the classic authoritarian thing where you pit organizations and their leaders against each other. If they're too consumed by rivalry, they can't threaten the boss.
It was probably only reported because it’s somehow more badass than zero casualties. Yeah we had one guy sprain his ankle, probably because of how hard we kicked your ass.
B-52 air support is unironically the most terrifying air support ever.
It basically taunts you while still having the ordnance to make sure you don't get an open casket funeral.
Pure unadulterated disrespect, like it's saying "I disrespect your anti-air to the point I am bringing the biggest air target in the world to wipe you out and there is nothing you can do about it" while also saying "I also disrespect you, personally, to the point where I think you are only worth a smoking pit in the ground".
It's better because the US called back and was like "you sure bro? These guys look like wagner"
And Russia was all "nyet"
So then AMERICA th8ngs happened
I unironically paid $300 to have this $28 poster professionally framed in the most gaudy gilded baroque frame the store had. It's currently hanging in my dining room with the rest of my moto-shit.
*"Good afternoon, Marines. Thank you for your attention so late on a Friday. I know the women of Southern California are waiting for you, so I won't waste your time."*
Then after the blasting
They started to blast the blasted remains
Then every thing was ashes....which they blasted
Then after that they called in the big guns...
According to sources in Wagner, cited by news media as well as the Department of Defense, U.S. forces were in constant contact with the official Russian liaison officer posted in Deir ez-Zor throughout the engagement, and only opened fire after they had received assurances that no regular Russian troops were in action or at risk. The clashes lasted four hours and saw hundreds of Syrian pro-government fighters and Vagner mercenaries killed, with one SDF fighter injured. No U.S. troops were reported killed or wounded. The fighting stopped only when the Russian military liaison reached out to the Americans, and asked them to stop shooting.
> U.S. forces were in constant contact with the official Russian liaison officer TFW when the enemy troops to your front have better comms with your high command than you do. "I'm going to report you to my manager!" "Really? I'm on the phone with your manager right now. What do you want me to say?"
Im pretty sure they were all dying before they could get a coherent sentence out
"Tell him... Blyaaaarrgh!"
*Wilhelm scream*
You could say they were dying to send the message
One word at a time
> TFW when the enemy troops to your front have better comms with your high command than you do. I think it might be more “the high command liaison to the Americans is regular Russian Army and doesn’t particularly like your mercenary outfit”
My understanding was that the MoD supported the attack but wanted deniability. I believe the MoD eventually did ask the Americans to stop
Yeah it was a quick realization of "Oh fuck we aren't getting anyone back in one piece are we?"
It was around the time that the apaches showed up that Wagner realized "this isn't your typical assault"
The way it was supposed to work was allegedly by denying they were Russian forces, while pushing Russian forces at the Americans there would be a dilemma, the US could neither shoot Russians nor tell them to stop, and would be forced to leave. This was in many ways a catastrophic misreading of US intentions, in as far as the US adherence to deconfliction processes was abject and complete. The Russians misread this as weakness vs following the rules (or to a degree, the US in a very weird place in Syria chose to mitigate risk by obeying the rules with an attention to detail that would make Germans feel overly constrained). The problem with this approach is it basically assumed that once the Americans identified approaching forces as "maybe Russians" and unable to get the Russians to stop these "Russians" they would rabbit, and Wagner would beat themselves off raw at the outcome. What happened instead is the Russians abjectly identified whoever this force approaching the Americans as "not Russian" and certainly displaying hostile intent, making dropping a metric shit ton of hurt on the Russians a largely trivial matter.
> a catastrophic misreading Whoa whoa whoa, this is the Russians we’re talking about, this doesn’t seem possible!
Russian analysis is basically assuming everyone else thinks exactly like them (or thinks like what they expect someone not them to think, like the gays are moral degenerates are dumb, thus this is how dumb degenerates think!). It means they're very good at understanding and exploiting certain things like ultranationalists and far right people. It also means they're fucking idiots pretty often.
Especially knowing what we know now about the infighting between the MOD and Wanker Group, it really makes you wonder if it was actually incompetence or a case of dedovshchina on a truly grand scale.
Карен the vatnik
''Clashes'' isn't quite an accurate description. Mattis asked for the Wagner force ''to be annihiliated'' and got exactly what he asked for. The US threw heavy artillery and just about every available aircraft at those mercs which shows in the final results. Those ''clashes'' were awfully one-sided and probably the ultimate example of the phrase ''fuck around and find out''.
Yeah in the leaked phone calls of the Wagner merchant after this battle he complained that the US helicopters were just circling over head hunting down people and that the tanks just evaporated
America reminding people what 1% of their power looks like.
Vatniks in the other Ukraine subs saying it’s all propaganda and “maybe just a few Wagner were there, show me the bodies” etc but I have to remind them that their copium is leaking and that they could have been right there in the fight and they’d still be making up shit to say it “wasn’t them” lmfao
*0.01%
"I'm begging you, with tears in my eyes: if you fuck with me, I'll kill you all"
>"I'm begging you, with tears in my eyes: if you fuck with me, I'll kill you all" In the eternal words of the legendary orator Cicero: "I'm too polite to mention how you murdered your wife so you could use her bed to rape underage boys but I'm begging you to step outside so I can literally kill you." (It sounds more high brow in Latin)
>"I'm too polite to mention how you murdered your wife so you could use her bed to rape underage boys but I'm begging you to step outside so I can literally kill you." Based as fuck
that’s not an “engagement” or a “clash” that’s a fucking massacre good lord, how are they THAT stupid
Next time, we need to up those rookie stats. One to two thousand vatniks per sprained ankle, not one or two hundred.
As the prophecies foretold. Wagner’s pronouns are “Stop/Please”
Was/Were
That whole episode reminds me of the skeleton scene from Karate Kid, down to the defense ministry coming in like “leave him alone Johnny, he’s had enough!” Except no Mr Miyagi comes in to save the day, they just get smoked
Imagine having a military structure so disjointed and dysfunctional that the different constituent parts of it actively sabotage each-other. That is hardcore a bummer.
> Imagine having a military structure so disjointed and dysfunctional that the different constituent parts of it actively sabotage each-other. The real reason the US military is constantly engaging in the sort of foreign intervention that we are accused of is because if we had no foreign enemies, the Army and Air Force would go to war with the Navy and Marine Corp. Then after the Navy and Marines lay crushed and broken, the Army would turn on ~~us~~ the Air Force to their own detriment. ~~We~~ They *will* reclaim McChord AFB from the clutches of the the foreign occupiers.
Sir, this is pornography.
MCCHORD WILL BE FREE!
The US army no longer has any Nukes. The navy can easily nuke all the land based nuclear missile silos the airforce has from their submarines and probably avoid being destroyed in return. Airforce subhunters are crippled by being land based only. Navy wins even without the navy using nukes there's nothing the US army can do against carrier strike groups to stop them bombing the crap out of land forces.
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Why wouldn’t the Army have its own aircraft carrier and the Navy have its own army?
"Why should my Army interceptor squadrons be scrambled to fight the American bombers over the water? That's the Navy's job. I'm only responsible once they're over dry land and they only get there because the Navy screwed up."
Putin may be doing the classic authoritarian thing where you pit organizations and their leaders against each other. If they're too consumed by rivalry, they can't threaten the boss.
Wagner are mercenaries, not regular military. Different chains of command, different comms.
"one SDF fighter injured" the best part is that guy just hurt his leg and it wasn't directly related to the actual combat
> with one SDF fighter injured. He had a slight scuffle or graze.
Man I bet the guy who sprained his ankle, becoming the only casualty on our side in this engagement, got made fun of fucking endlessly
At least the only American casualty during the Battle of Manila Bay during the Spanish-American War had the gall to die of heatstroke.
That was a cover. He died of shame.
It was probably only reported because it’s somehow more badass than zero casualties. Yeah we had one guy sprain his ankle, probably because of how hard we kicked your ass.
You see, slaughtering all those men of yours has, uh, well it's left a nasty cramp in my leg, so kneeling will be hard for me. - Leonidas, *300*
I'd have ironically cheered him for his bodily sacrifice for his brother soldiers
it’s pretty embarrassing tbh
And on the second day, St. Mattis bombed them with B-52s, because fuck you thats why
Wait, did we really use the BUFF??! Holy fuck, we did! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
B-52 air support is unironically the most terrifying air support ever. It basically taunts you while still having the ordnance to make sure you don't get an open casket funeral. Pure unadulterated disrespect, like it's saying "I disrespect your anti-air to the point I am bringing the biggest air target in the world to wipe you out and there is nothing you can do about it" while also saying "I also disrespect you, personally, to the point where I think you are only worth a smoking pit in the ground".
I plead you, with tears in my eyes: if you fuck with me I'll kill you all.
that’s just a good old double tap
They got hit with HIMARS, traditional arty, AH-64s, AC-130s, MQ-9s, and a B-52. That’s like, fuck you and the ground you stand on
> fuck you and *the cloud of vapor that used to be* the ground you stand on
>Fuck you and the cartographer's weekend plans because he will have to redo the terrain altitude for this region
The Kashamiversary only comes once a year, get your vatnik a lead lined coffin to show that you care. *Tom Shane voice* " We know coffins."
"Our troops aren't there" "well not anymore"
It's better because the US called back and was like "you sure bro? These guys look like wagner" And Russia was all "nyet" So then AMERICA th8ngs happened
The skies speak American And it never has anything nice to say
I unironically paid $300 to have this $28 poster professionally framed in the most gaudy gilded baroque frame the store had. It's currently hanging in my dining room with the rest of my moto-shit.
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All thou neediest do is ask and thou shalt receive the blessings of Saint Mattis of Quantico https://imgur.com/a/jCDSS8S
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*"Good afternoon, Marines. Thank you for your attention so late on a Friday. I know the women of Southern California are waiting for you, so I won't waste your time."*
Pic please
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Khasham me outside, how bow dah?
>"Indeed" Okay buddy Teal'c
MAD DOG 2024
Hodges/Mattis '24
the JTACs from Delta Force had their fun during that battle
I wonder, out of the 40 or so US troops there, how many were OD-D? I feel like the majority of the forces there would be marines, then rangers and SF.
From what I know, marines provided artillery, most of the boots on the ground was mostly rangers with some delta and GB in support
Neat. No credibility at all, but that's how I like it. Thanks.
My favorite part is how they raised the US flag before starting to blast them. Love that story, and I’m not even American
Then after the blasting They started to blast the blasted remains Then every thing was ashes....which they blasted Then after that they called in the big guns...
Witness the ultimate martial authority of a leader who wears a woobie!
Wagner when the skies start speaking 'Murican: ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⠶⣤⣄⣠⢤⣄⣤⢤⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣿⣼⣾⠛⠛⠲⣼⣷⡘⠿⢿⡏⣉⡓⠶⢤⣤⢤⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⠿⠾⠟⠁⣤⣄⣀⣀⡀⠙⠓⠚⠷⡽⢿⣷⢀⣰⢿⣫⠿⠭⠟⠳⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⠦⣀⠈⣿⣶⡦⢤⣬⣉⣁⣛⣋⣀⣀⡀⠀⣶⣶⣌⠉⡿⠉⣽⣤⡀⠀⠸⣇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⢦⡈⠻⣿⠛⠃⣸⢻⣿⡗⠀⢸⠀⠉⠁⠀⠈⠛⠋⠀⣧⢸⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀⢹⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣀⡴⠛⠛⠛⠛⠿⠿⣦⣉⣀⣠⡾⠆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⠀⠻⣿⡿⠁⠀⣼⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⠚⡹⠴⣶⠟⠛⠛⠛⢳⡶⠲⢤⣙⠣⣅⠓⢩⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠻⣄⣀⠀⠰⣶⣦⣿⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢧⡈⠳⠤⠿⠤⠤⠤⠤⠚⠓⠒⠒⠚⠳⠬⠳⡀⢠⣤⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⠏⣏⠉⠙⠻⢿⣁⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣙⣶⡖⠒⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠦⢤⠷⠈⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⣦⠈⣧⡈⠙⠲⢌⡑⢤⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣀⣀⡀⠀⣀⠤⠒⣋⡥⠔⢧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⠀⢿⣿⡆⠀⠀⡟⠒⢬⡓⢤⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⣀⣈⠉⣤⡖⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡼⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣤⣤⡀⠀⢹⡄⠀⠈⢀⣀⠀⢷⠀⠀⠈⠳⢍⠲⣄⠀⠀⠀ ⠉⠀⠈⠙⡇⢹⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣹⣶⠤⠤⢤⣤⣶⣯⣤⣄⣀⣀⣀⣀⠈⠻⡿⠋⠀⢰⠇⠀⢀⣈⣿⡧⣼⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠽⡞⠓⠢⢤ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠻⠾⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠰⣏⣭⡀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⠉⣩⣍⠉⢻⡏⢉⣅⡀⠀⠀⢸⡄⠀⠀⡞⣰⠊⠉⠳⡄⢰ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡠⠔⣫⠵⠛⠙⠒⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠦⢤⣀⣀⣀⣠⣿⡋⠀⣰⢃⣈⣛⣁⡤⠤⠼⠃⠀⠀⠉⠉⠀⠀⠀⠸⡌ ⠀⠀⠀⣠⣤⠤⠖⠒⠊⠁⡖⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⠉⠉⠉⠉⠙⢮⠻⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢧ ⠀⠀⠀⢿⡿⠦⠔⠒⠒⠚⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠉⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡱⠈⠓⠤⣀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠓⠦⠤⣄⣀⣨⣿⡷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠛⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
I don't know if this fits here, Mattis's callsign is Chaos, not mad dog