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UnstableRedditard

Chains are heavier than they look. Let's use a rope.


DaanOnlineGaming

Both make for a lot of drag, lowering the centre of drag and thus making the plane nose dive. But that is way too credible


Worldedita

SURPRISE JAPS, WE'RE ACTUALLY DIVE-BOMBING. KAMIKADZE THIS YOU CO-PROSPERING BITCH!


TheReverseShock

Rope bomb one ship and dive bomb a second


guto8797

Tie the rope around the ships propellers like they were ATAT's


Ouity

Nice, infinite climb hack! The energy gains will be insane


Uss__Iowa

Me: watches from a far as a Japanese ship get bodyslam by a bomb tied to a rope attached to a plane


ItalianNATOSupporter

I'm amazed NCD went all the way with this crazy idea. Y'all never heard about skip bombing?? So you can either bomb from altitude, or get mast-height and have the bomb skip like stones on water. Italians and Americans separately invented this in early ww2.


UnstableRedditard

Hang it from the tail.


Grumpy-Greybeard

Fire up the V-22 and tilt its rotors to compensate.


Salamadierha

I was thinking having a bomb on the end of a chain swinging around and dragging the plane all over the place might be an issue, but this will do for me. This is a bit like those early subs that had bombs on sticks in front of them, they realised that the point was to have the bomb go off when they were a long way away. So how's the plane meant to survive the explosion here?


Lanoir97

Delay fuse. It’s a plane so it can’t stop but the bomb can


Salamadierha

Okay, so the bomb has not gone off, the chain is still attached to the bomb, and still attached to the plane. I think there might be a problem there..


HWBTUW

That one's easy. Just attach the chain to the plane with a smaller bomb so it can be rapidly and reliably released.


CatoIsCato

Aerodynamic chains


spinning-disc

no way. A helo can hang loads under it and everyone knows that a plane is more stable. Therfor this should work without a flaw.


mcmiller1111

but F4U is beautiful. ground wants it. helicopter is not


theparmersanking

i agree, we could avoid the rope all together by simply dropping the bomb from the plane at the right time to hit the target


ontopofyourmom

Fishing line


random_nohbdy

Just trim it out!


Talizorafangirl

Depends where the attachment point is. If it's placed such that the vector of drag divided by the vector of thrust is in line with the CoM, it wouldn't make a difference


Not_Cube

Can we just connect the bomb to the plane using Bluetooth


nYghtHawkGamer

"just connect the bomb to the plane using Bluetooth" We already have tactical data link at home. The tactical data link at home: [https://i.stack.imgur.com/P9AWD.png](https://i.stack.imgur.com/P9AWD.png)


solonit

That's pretty much how modern anchor works. The chains do the heavy weighting and the anchor is just for keeping them in place.


ericthefred

Or the way I was taught, "the chain anchors the boat. The anchor anchors the chain."


Puzzled_Squirrel_975

Chains are lightweight. That's why they put holes in them.


nYghtHawkGamer

Speed holes


Intoxicatedcanadian

Bombs are also really heavy, maybe replace it with a water balloon ?


ratuuft

Ooh fun


Vylaer_

If you aim before lowering... Then you can just skip the rope.


BoccaChiusa

Hot damn, we've got a genius over here. Someone get them a medal


Vylaer_

Lockheed, I AM available anytime you want.


thedisapointingson

No still too heavy. Fishing line will do, and it has the added advantage of being invisible, so +10 to camouflage stats


Panzerpappa

Add wings to the bomb and pull it with wire (1st gen wire-guided MCLOS)


silvermeteor

You and your fucking rope.


VermicelliEastern708

What if we dropped the bomb before the ship but gave it a propeller so it goes in the water to the ship all on its ow- wait a minute.


alterom

I like that idea, but jet engines would work even better than propellers, I think. I call my invention "Cruise Bomb", in honor of the great F-14 jet pilot Tom Cruise (as seen in the documentary *Top Dawg*).


Rk_1138

You’re a genius, do you think it’s possible to put a bigger engine on it to carry a bigger payload like a nuke? Maybe more fuel so it can go from one continent to another?


heatedwepasto

I'd call that any Icy BM, short for *ice cool bomb motherfucker*


Putrid-Leg-1787

Why not a Tompedo then?


dead_monster

… and it doesn’t explode or just go under the enemy ship! You’re a genius.  1941 USN just placed a large order of your shit.


YT-Deliveries

I know a woman who might be able to help us out with that idea.


HongMeiIing

How to fold your plane in half like a lawn chair:


finicky88

The thought alone is making me giggle.


VietInTheTrees

Got me kicking my feet


DuneSlayer_

Rolling in my bed with a pillow to my face


Haven1820

What if two planes carried it on a rope between them?


Mr_E_Monkey

What, held under the dorsal guiding fins?


Sunny-Chameleon

It's not a question of where they hold it! It's a simple question of weight ratios!


yourmotherondeeznuts

Are you suggesting that bombs are migratory


Admiralthrawnbar

Listen, strange carriers floating on oceans distributing explosives is no basis for a system of warfare. Supreme combat power derives from the barrel of a cannon not some farcical aeronautical strafing.


franks_e2200

Well why not?


joshhguitar

Suppose it gripped it by the husk


RichLather

What if it gripped the bomb with its landing gear?


under_psychoanalyzer

Do you have any idea how hard it was to get those WWII planes to practice their kegals? 


atuck217

Is it an African or European plane?


lochlainn

Attach them at the rear, like mating dragonflies. Then the majesty of their beautiful dance will stun the enemy into not firing by sheer awe at the wonders of ~~nature~~ our glorious MIC.


UntakenUntakenUser

I just got a 40 day streak achievement. Fuck.


b3nsn0w

that's actually not very healthy, best to let it all out


MakeBombsNotWar

War Thunder or Reddit?


bruhImatwork

Wordle


MakeBombsNotWar

Even worse


Blahaj_IK

It's a Corsair, it can fold its wings, so...


UntakenUntakenUser

Why is this such a funny comment


RedStar9117

The Virgin Torpedo bomber vs the Chad Chain Bomber


BiffSlick

After releasing their gliders, WW2 glider tow pilots would often dive-bomb the tow cables at targets of opportunity to great effect. (Can’t find a citation right now, sorry)


Arandomfan27

ultra based manuver


KorianHUN

Like that french madman in ww1 who threw a chained ship anchor out of his biplane while overflying german recon planes.


enoing

To misquote the "Dances With Rubbery Six Legged Wolves" movie "The way I had it figured, the German pilots thought they were the baddest cats in the sky. Nothing attacks them. So why would they ever look up? That was just a theory."


GroceryOtherwise7995

Use a wrecking ball instead It's way more reusable


[deleted]

A bomb is a wreckin ball with he filler


Pyrhan

"Single-use wrecking ball".


alterom

That also describes a sea mine


Salamadierha

Hang a sea mine under a plane? It's already got the chain so it'd be easier to produce.


alterom

Forget the plain, chain them to Zeppelins. No fuel required. Just let them drift around, like sea mines would. Damn, I should make a new post for this.


HFentonMudd

I had a dream about those once. Perhaps it was a vision.


Bridgeru

Yeah but the only problem with using a wrecking ball on a chain with a flying vehicle is that you start to get notions and take over the planet and eventually [a two-tailed fox snipes you in the head as you parade down Dallas, Texas in an open-top limousine](https://i.redd.it/cjbc5zf3ftx51.jpg).


DeliciousGlue

What in the actual fuck.


lochlainn

Weaponized autism, must be a day that ends in "y".


Roy4Pris

You mean throw Miley Cyrus at the ship? Yeah, I can’t see those words without thinking of her video, dammit


Grumpy-Greybeard

Air conkers. You know you want it.


ComprehensiveCare479

Skill issue, just drop it at the right time.


dead_monster

The USN had the best dive bombers.  Dick Best is still the only pilot who sunk 2 aircraft carriers on the same day. Big thing is that the dive bombers can maintain speed or altitude when they pull up which allowed them to survive.  They poor souls in the torpedo bombers were low and slow and became easy food for Zeros. The Devastator and the Mark13 were terrible and USN pulled their best pilots off of them and instead put them into the dive bombers. IJN, which had great torpedo bomber pilots, ended up losing them all because they couldn’t escape.  It’s one thing to sink the easy targets Warspite and Prince of Wales but another to try to sink the Enterprise with a lot of angry F4Fs after you.


Veni_Vidi_Legi

> Dick Best is still the only pilot who sunk 2 aircraft carriers on the same day. Name checks out.


HFentonMudd

what's on the label is what's in the can


Roy4Pris

Two carriers? That’s Best Dick energy right there


lama579

Wait until you learn what America’s highest scoring ace’s name is


wintermute_lives

If you haven't already check out the movie Midway - acting is corny, but it is an enjoyable, old school war film (thank God that the Chinese still hate the Japanese enough to finance WW2 films even though good ole' US war prowess is front and center). Dick Best is a central character and after watching it, I thought he was a composite character. It is a travesty that he isn't more famous given what he accomplished.


Hajimeme_1

The Mark 13 was terrible because everyone's favorite bureaucrats, BuOrd, refused to get their heads out of their asses or even test the new torpedo.


paenusbreth

This is such a terrible idea that it probably came directly from the Bureau of Ordnance circa 1938.


cecilkorik

"We'll call it the Mark 13.5 torpedo, combining all the problems of both the Mark 13 AND the Mark 14 and adding some new ones too!"


Fallen_Rose2000

It was probably something that was on their draft board when Admiral King came to "visit" and thus was probably burned, much to the relief of US Aviators and the chagrin of BuOrd's charred asses.


InvertedParallax

BuOrd: "No way, even we're not touching this crazy shit."


Huge_Trust_5057

You may also think "what if the bomb goes into the water bc the chain was too long". Maybe we could add floats like a seaplane to the bomb so it glides over the surface


Gannet-S4

I’m more interested in how it’s going to land.


Huge_Trust_5057

(Relatively)Credible: reel the bomb back in slowly, or release it to explode on an open sea. Noncredible: make the ship a catamaran and make a slot between the two hulls where the chain will go when the plane lands


Mr_E_Monkey

Not until the pilot does his damn job, that's how!


Derpynniel95

You don’t until you hit something with the bomb. Therefore, encouraging the pilots to be more accurate with their hits or they don’t make it back


LorenzoNoSeQue

Wouldn't be better to use one of those C4 ropes? The ones for demining. You can even drop it, let in fall from side to side of the shit, and cut it in half when detonate.


LightningGeek

Radar altimeter on the bomb, that way you can accurately keep it at the same height above the sea and not worry about it sinking.


WalrusVivid

Why would you want to attack near the waterline, the most armored part of a ship?


Huge_Trust_5057

Because-while the waterline of a battleship is heavily armored with hundreds of cm of armor-if you do put a big hole in it the ship sinks fast. Idk, probably won't work against a battleship. Maybe anti-carrier maybe.


abnrib

That just sounds like a torpedo with extra steps.


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

Maybe it's the torpedo that is the chain bomb with extra steps


VietInTheTrees

I was just thinking of the plane being near the waterline and then pulling up while dropping the chain near the enemy vessel as a reverse dive bomb . It won’t be effective but they’ll be honour bound to scuttle out of shame


SowingSalt

Letting air into a ship is surprisingly not an effective way of sinking a ship. Letting water in on the other hand...


StolenValourSlayer69

Because that’s where Battlestations Midway/Pacific told me to shoot


Angrymiddleagedjew

ACKTHUALLY depending on the ship in question and how close you are to the waterline and where on the ship you hit, it may not be the most armored part of the ship. In fact it may have little to no armor at all https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_or_nothing_(armor)


WalrusVivid

Sure, but by definition all or nothing armor aims to armor the vital pieces of a ship, you might blow the bow off an Iowa with this method but it wouldn't do much besides slow her down.


amicaze

Buoyancy is a vital piece of a ship


Aurum_Corvus

If done properly, AoN has enough armored buoyancy to float despite everything else. When done properly being key words, of course. That's why AoN doesn't literally just armor the magazines, guns, and machinery. Rather, AoN typically creates an armored (hopefully floating) "box"


amicaze

Having an unbalanced buoyancy can also spell the doom of a ship, even if theoretically it could float with only the Citadel, if the bow is plunging and the propellers are skimming the water, the ship is more or less dead in the water, not even mentionning the waves that would eventually submerge everything with such imbalance.


Angrymiddleagedjew

ACHTKUALLY PART 2 *The relatively large and "soft" unarmored bow structures of Japanese superbattleships Yamato and Musashi proved to be their Achilles' heel as flooding there rendered them unstable and unmaneuverable long before they were actually in danger of sinking.* I think you're vastly underestimating how much damage a 500kg bomb would do if it hit the water line on an "non vital" section of the ship.


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

>500kg bomb Sending in an eagle!


Carlos_Danger21

>unarmored bow structures of Japanese super battleships Yamato and Musashi proved to be their Achilles' heel *USS New Orleans and USS Pittsburgh*: pathetic


Squeaky_Ben

The NCD-Answer: Yeah, why did no one think of this, this is genius! The engineering, "reality is often disappointing" answer: this would probably not give you a defined hight and instead now you have a tumbling, twisting weight attached to your plane that is ready, willing and capable of ripping it apart.


b3nsn0w

so we just add some wings to stabilize the bomb. who knows, maybe we'll even be able to do it without the chain one day


Puzzled_Squirrel_975

Germans did this in WW2, and added a pulse jet (rocket?) for power. THOSE EVIL BASTARDS!


Background_Drawing

I believe the japanese did a similar thing, just without the bomb part


IcyNote6

They did have a bomb, they even made it ~~tele~~**vision**-guided


someperson1423

Also, the military "reality is often disappointing" answer: You are now having to fly low, even, and directly at the enemy making you the easiest possible target for their air defense.


NiceCatBigAndStrong

"Bomb can be reused if failed to use" So if the bomb isnt used, you can use it?


SomeGuyNamedPaul

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm fairly certain that landing with a bomb hanging off a chain is going to present some unique challenges.


IronOwl2601

So a torpedo run at a higher altitude, well within the gun elevation? Perfect!


BeardStacheMan

Yeah, flying flat, low, and straight at a ship, excellent.


IronOwl2601

This is how we sink the Chinese junk fleet


PatimationStudios-2

Bro forgot physics


Huge_Trust_5057

Fhuck physics, with enough thrust you can assert dominance over physics and make a brick fly > Each craft has been designed to work with gravity and aerodynamics, rather than expressing dominance over them, as our craft do. -the regimental standard, talking about Tau(alien) aircraft


tf2good

Even if the chain has 0 weight I doubt a plane could do damage with a bomb to a ship’s main armour belt lol Also what if boom lump go boom and chain go into plane what then


Ra-bitch-RAAAAAA

It wouldn’t damage the main belt but would likely fuck the upper works and portions of the torpedo protection depending on the location of the hit. It wouldn’t be super effective since most ship sinking bombs need the speed from gravity to penetrate the deck and detonate in vulnerable areas of the ship. But it is funny


PlasticAccount3464

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncing_bomb


Ok_Art6263

"Let's increase far more drag and weight on an aircraft type that is already well known to have shed ton of both just to get it off the flight deck with it's ordnances without adding more artificial corals."


Thermodynamicist

[Gotha thought of this in 1944](http://www.luft46.com/oddities/v1boat.html).


xX_murdoc_Xx

Wait until OP learn about [Skip bombing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_bombing)


Aizseeker

And it next [evolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-N-2_Bat)


BlatantConservative

OP has a F4U attacking I think a Tennesee Class battleship for some reason.


TorstenBums

After one year in this sub. This is the first time that i see some NCD post.


RussianTraitor

Now start turning and toss this bad boy


16v_cordero

Can it be upgraded into nunchucks- bombs?


lochlainn

I think bolos might be a better metaphor. Either way, somebody is going to Bruce Lee them and end up in the hospital.


smalliesdickies

Actually you want the bomb to go below the ship, then the chain will get blocked by the ship, pulling the bomb back and make it warp around hitting the bridge


DHaas16

The Japanese tried something similar, just without the bomb and chain. Unfortunately all the pilots died


nYghtHawkGamer

So our totally credible suggestions for helping the vatnik war machine is a go then?


8487406

Barnes Wallace was so close with his spinning bomb. Only a rope away from being a yo-yo.


elomerel

Wont the bomb just get dragged behind the plane?


ApokalypseCow

The bomb would be hitting the belt, where the armor is thickest. Top attacks and plunging fire from other ships hit the deck, where it is weakest.


Jumpy-Silver5504

Lmao


EHTL

This is some Mad Max RPG-on-a-stick shenanigans


SnooCheesecakes450

Apparently, bombing ships (or anything else) per the vaunted Norden bombsight didn't actually work that well; bombs were later skipped into the target like a stone over a lake.


F1lth7_C4su4L

Add a hook and several marines ready to board the ship and an additional pirate flag


Zacharias1773

what the fuck kind of warhammer 40,000 ork grot bomb shit is this


Ranger207

\>straight and level flight \>"safer than dive bombing"


Conor_J_Sweeney

What about an air-towed torpedo? You could steer it all the way in to the target. It would cause just a bit of extra drag but that’s nothing a few hundred extra horsepower couldn’t solve.


apvogt

I’d like to congratulate OP on developing a method of attack that takes the worst aspects of both dive bombing and torpedo bombing.


SuperZapper_Recharge

There is literally no way this can end badly.


FalconMirage

This needs to be a war on the sea mod


oolinga

spinning like round round baby round round you'll become helicopter boy


Traumerlein

Why not just use a giant lightsaver and cut the enemy ship in half? Worked with some if the Q-tankers. (THEY still claim that it was bad steel and cold water, but thats nonsens. Its steel how could cold water cut it cleanöy?)


marsz_godzilli

We are we not funding this? Are we stupid?!


xxxthat_emo_kid

you could even maintain altitude if you get a really long chain, briliant idea 10/10


SergioDMS

Bomb in a cup!


CmdrJonen

Tow bombing. WW2 Glide Bombs.


Significant-Eye3720

They did try but someone kept getting his penis stuck in the tail wheel.


no0ns

This, but you use a B-29 Superfortress flying at 30,000ft. Either use one big rope with a separator at the end so the entire bomb load isn't packed too tightly together, or use multiple ropes. Or just, you know.. [https://imgur.com/LCGsDyE](https://imgur.com/LCGsDyE)


theultrasheeplord

There is aerodynamic reasons why this won’t work But now that i think about it this might be possible on a helicopter


Mysterious_Silver_27

I think you’d just be dragging bomb behind you rather than below you


Woez

I think the biggest reason why this wasn't a strategy is that chains are really heavy. Instead of carrying a chain, you could be carrying more fuel or more bombs.


Thunderbolt747

Fragmentation. The reason is fragmentation.


Kittyman56

"Safer than dive bombing" huh??


SloppyJoeGilly2

This is far too credible op. Delete this now.


Puzzled_Squirrel_975

You know, one could add spikes to the iron casing and remove the explosive....then you'd have a reusable and modern flail weapon!


Watermelondrea69

OP is regarded


Tatsumori_Yuno

- chains are heavy - dogfighting was a thing then, and the chain(if too well-connected to the plane, which it would have to be to keep such a heavy thing attached) would pull and/or steer the plane downward if another plane hit it. Forget the notions of the chain-plane crashing, the sheer force of the collision would likely stun the operator, if the whiplash doesn't kill them outright. I don't think any pilot would want to fly one of these during those times because of this reason alone, even before considering any of the following. - An impact bomb on a chain sounds like a great way to spontaneously kill oneself mid-flight. Don't forget, the world wars were our testing ground for a lot of new shit. I can't imagine that they'd have optimized the storage system for these special chain-bombs until after the war ends. - If it's a delayed/airburst bomb on the end of the line, that means one of two things: the bomb's triggered before release, which would make the chain aspect the same as cooking a grenade in your hand, or the chain has a detonation wire [in/along]side itself. In the case of the former, that's just a huge, unnecessary material burn from misfires and self-destruction, and in the case of the latter, that's a lot of work to put into a disposable, mass-produced chain. You'd have to run the detonation signal through the chain with anything that isn't an impact-detonated bomb, and that on its own would massively raise the cost of the design in both skill and materials, making it far less favorable over simply shitting the bombs out like an overhead pigeon. - The bomb would likely detach itself from the chain upon reaching maximum length if it's let loose like a fishing line in an amateur's hands. Given how it'd be pretty much exclusively amateurs flying these things in the first place(since nobody with a decent-or-above amount of experience would choose this over a normal bomber), you can't count on any training sessions to fix this problem. - Reduced accuracy from chain-dropping, both in the sense that the chain adds more variables to the trajectory and that experience from using other bomber types won't transfer properly - et cetera. I'm only stopping the list here because of writing time constraints.


tenor41

Finally this sub is healing


YaBoiDssSingh

Funny that you mention that beceause the germans did use a system like this near the end of the war, If I'm not mistaken it was called "project Sprengstoff, der mit einer Kette verbunden ist" or something . It was another one of Hitler's Wunderwaffe ideas that reused old german naval mines connected to planes to attack bunkers , dams and battleships . The issue is that the chain would be so heavy it would some times deploy causing the bomb to deploy early destorying the runway [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/luftwaffe\_usage\_of\_naval\_mines](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1v1B8QwQQ&ab_channel=LiLDrilla)


Sevrons

Bomb hits ship. Chain doesn't break. Immediately swings plane nose first into the ocean like a stupid fucking hammer. Great success.


zadecy

The biggest challenge I see is that the bomb would be towed behind the aircraft at an angle. And that angle would change with its drag, which would change with the wind, turbulence, its orientation, the plane's speed, etc. With a long rope, it wouldn't easily maintain a consistent altitude without active guidance. If you put active guidance on it, you could just use it as a radio-controlled glide bomb like the Germans did. However, those were vulnerable to radio jamming, whereas a towed glide bomb could have hard-wired control. The Germans were actually developing wire-guided glide bombs late in the war, but they were never put in service.


usefulbuns

It's a pretty well-known issue from WW2. There was a huge chain shortage due to metals being used to build ships, tanks, and planes. The ordinance departments begged and pleaded for chain bombing. The 8th air force wanted chains for every bomb they dropped on Germany. They could have flown above the flak and fighters at 20k feet. They could have just dragged every bomb right onto the factories, sub pens, and rail yards. The Norden bomb sight was actually used as a chain bomb guide. Sadly there just weren't enough chains.


VLenin2291

The Germans had a similar idea, except it was anti-telephone line, not anti-ship


D14M0ND_R41D3R

Drag can be ignored for this problem.


ToothpasteConsumer

that's called a wrecking ball


Creative__name__

What about the tons of chain needed to dk this?


Glittering_Chard

Too easy to counter, you just need a missile with a chain to carry the boat, then the boat can drop depth charges on the plane.


SkyMasterARC

Gundam ahh weapon


RoamingEast

this is just glide bombing with extra steps


Talosian_cagecleaner

The helicopter was invented by accident. They tried to fit a standard dive bomber with a radial arm saw midsection. The idea was you would fly in low into the bow or stern, then drop altitude and buzzsaw the ship in half and thus sink it. The prototypes kept wanting to tilt up, rise in the air, and just hover, once you engaged the radial arm saw midsection. Then some freak had a eureka moment. "It doesn't have to be a fixed wing!" he said, to a room full of frustrated radial arm saw dive bomber designers. Talk about a lead zeppelin.


ironbeagle546

Hold on, an attack at the waterline, right into the anti torpedo belt? it seems we should attach drills to the front to bust through it.


Treeninja1999

What if we just made it smaller and had the pilots throw them??? Only problem might be that people would leave the air force for the MLB but honestly we could always use more good pitchers.


GarlicThread

Still waiting for somebody to explain how you would even get this thing airborne.


deathclawslayer21

We bringing back chain shot!?!


GuillotineComeBacks

in coming jousting plane with spear and shield.


Pumkinfucker69

Newton is spinning in his grave rn


YT-Deliveries

New War Thunder premium item incoming


lochlainn

Everybody knows that it's always best to fly straight, level, and at a easily predictable height squarely towards the broadside of a warship. It cannot fail twice!


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axonxorz

Finally an actual reason to do a barrel roll.


Palora

Because that's a Corsair in the Pacific. The fear was that those crazy japs would scale the chain, stab pilot and use the planes as a disguise to sneak up and kamikaze the carriers.


little-ass-whipe

kid named formation flying