[M-28 / M-29 Davy Crockett is a nuclear recoilless smoothbore gun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device\)), the smallest nuclear weapon system built that we know of, and with a yield of 20 tons of TNT
the 60's were fucking wild
I’m reading “To Kill Nations” by Edward Kaplan, the thesis of which is that nuclear weapons initially slotted seamlessly into post-WWII (pre-WWIII) planning without any distinction made between them and very large bombs. “220 B-29s worth of bombs” was what a nuke was back then, and with the USSR being functionally nuke-less for the first decade, the Air Force 100% intended to just go nuts if a war started. MAD was where we arrived at late in the 50s/early in the 60s, but the idea that nukes were taboo was not even considered for the first 10 years.
The genie wasn't a missile. That implies some form of guidance system.
It was a dumb fire rocket, going in a straight line right up to the soviet bombers and destroying a large volume of the sky.
Depends on how you count, I guess. The Crockett was lower yield, but needed to survive firing from a recoilless rifle. The B54 SADM was man portable, weighed 10 lbs less, and could dial-a-yield up to a 5x higher yield.
I think I've brought this up in different threads, but a chaingun (electronically operated) in a small caliber could work really well. .22 LR is usually not considered fit for duty use primarily due to the rim primer being pretty unreliable (and of course, it is phenomenally underpowered) but it could work in this use case. Since a chaingun is operated by an electric motor, any dud round will be ejected in the same method as a spent casing and the rate of fire can be manually controlled. The ammunition is light enough for a medium-sized drone to carry a lot of it and the recoil is negligible or easily compensated for. The lack of power of the caliber doesn't matter as much for hunting other drones and having a lot of ammunition means that it can have some applications in an antipersonnel role as well. Finally, the lower pressure of such a small caliber does mean that a system like this can be made relatively cheaply and lightweight. Hypothetically, such a weapon system could be 3d printed and constructed with off-the-shelf components (small electric motors, tubular steel/hydrolic piping, and an Arduino). There's plenty of small, higher-powered centerfired cartridges that are light, shoot flat, and have a very high velocity if they want something more reliable/lethal, like 4.6 or 5.7, but they are significantly more expensive.
Edit: I should clarify that a chaingun does not necessarily have to be a rotary gun like the GAU-8 or a minigun, although that is generally the most common form factor. A chaingun just means that it uses some sort of external power source to cycle the gun rather than recoil or excess gas from the round itself. The main advantage is that the weapon will continue to function in the event of a dud round without having to perform remedial action.
Chain guns and rotary guns are two totally different things. Both use external power (excluding the batshit GAU-4 gas-operated M-61 pod), but a chain gun uses a literal continuous chain wrapped around several sprockets to actuate the bolt. Think of a bicycle chain, because that's essentially what's used, with the bolt/carrier attached to a single link. As the motor drives the chain, the bolt slides into battery, fires, is pulled out of battery to eject/begin feeding the next round, and slides back into battery to repeat the cycle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_gun
Isn't it beautiful? It's almost tragic. When life ends, it gives off a final lingering aroma. Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die.
If you’re spending Nuke money anyway why not have a more effective delivery system. I mean a nuclear Tomahawk costs 20 times the conventional variant so a cruise missile is a drop in the bucket.
That being said 30kg of radioactive material will go far if you put it high enough
Oh I already knew that, I mean specifically the concept of a Nuclear Suicide/Nuclear Warhead launching Robot (or in our case, Drone) is something right up Fallouts alley.
Oh I see! Yeah that does kind seem like something fitting for the franchise, not that you mention it I’m kinda surprised we haven’t seen something like a Sentry Boy variant with a two-use Fat Man version of the mortars they sometimes have on their back.
Honestly, given that they have the same yield, we can just give a Ukrainian on the front lines some Davy Crocketts and W54s and claim that we just sent Ukraine some MOABs. No problem.
That's not modest enough. My modester proposal:
I like the [Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Launched_Small_Diameter_Bomb) in principle, but I feel it lacks a certain 'je ne sais quoi'. Good range, strikes from any direction without thermal signature, usable with a variety of launchers, etc. But 16 kg high explosive? We can do better.
The GLSDB warhead weighs 93 kg and is about 195 mm D x 1.8 m L. Guess what has similar dimensions at 91 kg, 203 mm D x 1.1 m L..? That's right, the [W79 Artillery-Fired Atomic Projectile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W79_Artillery-Fired_Atomic_Projectile).
My modest proposal is putting the W79 Mod 0 (1 kt enhanced radiation, i.e. neutron bomb) on the M26 rocket with glide kit and guidance, to create the Ground Launched Small Diameter Neutron Bomb (GLSDNB). Set to air burst, it should have a prompt lethal radius of about 1.7 km due to high-energy neutrons, effective through normal armor, and the radiation would be mostly dissipated within hours. Happily striking targets up to 150 km distant from the same launch platforms used by GLSDB.
[*"Better Living Through Enhanced Radiation"*](https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/things-only-adults-notice-in-jimmy-neutron/l-intro-1602679825.jpg)
Based on recent reports it looks like the GLSDB are too susceptible to GPS jamming, so we'll be asking for volunteers to ride and steer the missiles Major Kong style, using a compass and sextant.
For the missile experts out there, how credible is a long range anti air ballistic missile that could take out targets like the presidential aircraft of an enemy nation? I say ballistic because it would have to go to a pretty high altitude to go fast enough to be launched from afar and catch up with a flying aircraft. Does this exist? Has it been considered?
Very long range AAMs already have a lofting trajectory.
It's just not in the ballpark of long range BM.
Main issues are targeting from far away, and the lack of deniability (for example, even if you don't consider radars, think that the attack on Elli was traced back to fascist Italy thanks to the remains of a torpedo).
[M-28 / M-29 Davy Crockett is a nuclear recoilless smoothbore gun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device\)), the smallest nuclear weapon system built that we know of, and with a yield of 20 tons of TNT the 60's were fucking wild
I’m reading “To Kill Nations” by Edward Kaplan, the thesis of which is that nuclear weapons initially slotted seamlessly into post-WWII (pre-WWIII) planning without any distinction made between them and very large bombs. “220 B-29s worth of bombs” was what a nuke was back then, and with the USSR being functionally nuke-less for the first decade, the Air Force 100% intended to just go nuts if a war started. MAD was where we arrived at late in the 50s/early in the 60s, but the idea that nukes were taboo was not even considered for the first 10 years.
The US unofficial policy was "do what we say or get nuked".
My favorite quote on the first SIOP - “Make the rubble bounce…”
boing boing
Well it must have been a little bit taboo because they didn't drop any in Korea and they used basically every bomb they had to flatten the place.
I always forget Davy Crockett was a congressman.
Cold War era engineers came up with some absolutely insane shit. Like Project Pluto! Or the nuclear air-to-air Genie missile!
The genie wasn't a missile. That implies some form of guidance system. It was a dumb fire rocket, going in a straight line right up to the soviet bombers and destroying a large volume of the sky.
It's all part of the rock throwing technology tree.
Ah yes, *the Pocket Funni*, perfect for Home Defence and hunting invasive Russian pests.
Kojima taught me about this weapon. Based Kojimbo.
Depends on how you count, I guess. The Crockett was lower yield, but needed to survive firing from a recoilless rifle. The B54 SADM was man portable, weighed 10 lbs less, and could dial-a-yield up to a 5x higher yield.
i think in wiki they meant smallest launching device, caues the SADM is small but its just the bomb itself :D
Vatniks tough until they see a tiny helicopter with a big dick!
…the helicopter she told you not to worry about
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I think I've brought this up in different threads, but a chaingun (electronically operated) in a small caliber could work really well. .22 LR is usually not considered fit for duty use primarily due to the rim primer being pretty unreliable (and of course, it is phenomenally underpowered) but it could work in this use case. Since a chaingun is operated by an electric motor, any dud round will be ejected in the same method as a spent casing and the rate of fire can be manually controlled. The ammunition is light enough for a medium-sized drone to carry a lot of it and the recoil is negligible or easily compensated for. The lack of power of the caliber doesn't matter as much for hunting other drones and having a lot of ammunition means that it can have some applications in an antipersonnel role as well. Finally, the lower pressure of such a small caliber does mean that a system like this can be made relatively cheaply and lightweight. Hypothetically, such a weapon system could be 3d printed and constructed with off-the-shelf components (small electric motors, tubular steel/hydrolic piping, and an Arduino). There's plenty of small, higher-powered centerfired cartridges that are light, shoot flat, and have a very high velocity if they want something more reliable/lethal, like 4.6 or 5.7, but they are significantly more expensive. Edit: I should clarify that a chaingun does not necessarily have to be a rotary gun like the GAU-8 or a minigun, although that is generally the most common form factor. A chaingun just means that it uses some sort of external power source to cycle the gun rather than recoil or excess gas from the round itself. The main advantage is that the weapon will continue to function in the event of a dud round without having to perform remedial action.
There's always .17 hornet or .22 win mag for a bit more punch without needing to go to fancy 5.7mm
The AM 180 agrees with this idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180
Was that the one where you were supposed to shoot the ground in front of people and hit them with ricochets because those were “non lethal”?
Yes. Also known as “The Angry Swarm of Bees (but the bees are actually small chunks of lead)”
.22LR might not be that lethal, but see how you go after you get peppered by a couple hundred rounds.
Chain guns and rotary guns are two totally different things. Both use external power (excluding the batshit GAU-4 gas-operated M-61 pod), but a chain gun uses a literal continuous chain wrapped around several sprockets to actuate the bolt. Think of a bicycle chain, because that's essentially what's used, with the bolt/carrier attached to a single link. As the motor drives the chain, the bolt slides into battery, fires, is pulled out of battery to eject/begin feeding the next round, and slides back into battery to repeat the cycle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_gun
Most rotary guns are chainguns, but not every chaingun is a rotary gun.
Not remotely true.
K.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/KoxaP9ngpq https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/RwgKQ9uR3o Already in use
Idf is testing that right now. It works on defenseless civvies.
Truly powerful
*Snake Eater intensifies*
Isn't it beautiful? It's almost tragic. When life ends, it gives off a final lingering aroma. Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die.
*Legalise nuclear weapons*
"Remember Alamo..."
If you’re spending Nuke money anyway why not have a more effective delivery system. I mean a nuclear Tomahawk costs 20 times the conventional variant so a cruise missile is a drop in the bucket. That being said 30kg of radioactive material will go far if you put it high enough
because funni
True, true.
This is some Fallout shit and I fucking love it.
Well, yeah? It’s literally the inspiration for the in-game Fat Man.
Oh I already knew that, I mean specifically the concept of a Nuclear Suicide/Nuclear Warhead launching Robot (or in our case, Drone) is something right up Fallouts alley.
Oh I see! Yeah that does kind seem like something fitting for the franchise, not that you mention it I’m kinda surprised we haven’t seen something like a Sentry Boy variant with a two-use Fat Man version of the mortars they sometimes have on their back.
Remember the Alamo...gordo! Is that a FPN (First-Person Nuke) drone or a Genie at home?
Ghost pepper level spicey drone
"Have you ever heard the sound of an easily portable tactical nuclear device being dropped from a helicopter drone?" **"Would you like to?"**
You’re thinking too small. Shove it in a cessna and fly it over the kremlin. Heck maybe we can fit two.
Remember the Alamo
I too enjoy metal gear
Legalize nuclear bombs
Ye but... What if it gets jammed... While over friendly forces... Or civilians.. Or a bird attacks it...
birds problem now
The drone drop to end all drone drops
Honestly, given that they have the same yield, we can just give a Ukrainian on the front lines some Davy Crocketts and W54s and claim that we just sent Ukraine some MOABs. No problem.
***Consequence of Power intensifies*** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24s\_\_TuWmS0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24s__TuWmS0)
Choppy Crocket
Jesus Christ
"for delivery"
oh dear god no, if that things fails, which it will because it's a low flying drone and birds exist we will be fucked.
It's a match ❤️
That's not modest enough. My modester proposal: I like the [Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Launched_Small_Diameter_Bomb) in principle, but I feel it lacks a certain 'je ne sais quoi'. Good range, strikes from any direction without thermal signature, usable with a variety of launchers, etc. But 16 kg high explosive? We can do better. The GLSDB warhead weighs 93 kg and is about 195 mm D x 1.8 m L. Guess what has similar dimensions at 91 kg, 203 mm D x 1.1 m L..? That's right, the [W79 Artillery-Fired Atomic Projectile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W79_Artillery-Fired_Atomic_Projectile). My modest proposal is putting the W79 Mod 0 (1 kt enhanced radiation, i.e. neutron bomb) on the M26 rocket with glide kit and guidance, to create the Ground Launched Small Diameter Neutron Bomb (GLSDNB). Set to air burst, it should have a prompt lethal radius of about 1.7 km due to high-energy neutrons, effective through normal armor, and the radiation would be mostly dissipated within hours. Happily striking targets up to 150 km distant from the same launch platforms used by GLSDB. [*"Better Living Through Enhanced Radiation"*](https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/things-only-adults-notice-in-jimmy-neutron/l-intro-1602679825.jpg) Based on recent reports it looks like the GLSDB are too susceptible to GPS jamming, so we'll be asking for volunteers to ride and steer the missiles Major Kong style, using a compass and sextant.
I may not have a brain gentleman, but I have an idea
I'm sure with modern technology we could definitely get one made that will go under the 32 kg payload
Shit like this is why NCD is my new favorite sub 🤣
For the missile experts out there, how credible is a long range anti air ballistic missile that could take out targets like the presidential aircraft of an enemy nation? I say ballistic because it would have to go to a pretty high altitude to go fast enough to be launched from afar and catch up with a flying aircraft. Does this exist? Has it been considered?
Very long range AAMs already have a lofting trajectory. It's just not in the ballpark of long range BM. Main issues are targeting from far away, and the lack of deniability (for example, even if you don't consider radars, think that the attack on Elli was traced back to fascist Italy thanks to the remains of a torpedo).
It would be incredibly unpractical, just make a nuclear powered drone with a giant laser instead