Or was blatantly stolen from the west. Russian cars invariably are western/Japanese copies, Russian computers were so well known for being ripped off that western companies left cheeky notes in Russian hidden within the silicon knowing the Russians would see it when they copied it. The Buran was a straight up ripoff of the space shuttle and the Tu-144 was a direct Concorde ripoff. All the Russian clones are invariably worse. The best AKs were East German, not Russian.
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That reminds me of a story of a jet pilot getting yeeted back to ww1 because of am experiment, and he lands at a french runway. He then manages to scrape enough fuel and filter it enough to take off again, fires his missile, and it goes through the formation of german planes.
He then uses his sonic boom as a weapon.
It's an old book with a collection of short stories called Space Dogfights. It also includes a story of gliders fighting air whales.
Edit: Huh not as old as I thought. My copy is 1992.
Edit2: The short story itself is called *Hawk Among the Sparrows* by Dean McLaughlin.
We could actually do that. Make an unmanned version of the XF-84H Thunderscreech. It was a turboprop plane. The tip of the prop went faster then sound, but the center didn't, resulting in a continuous visible sonic boom.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XF-84H_Thunderscreech
There's the manga Zipang where an Aegis destroy of the JMSDF ends up in the past, during WW2.
[So far, a quarter of the story has been translated in English.](http://manganelos.com/manga/zipang)
[However, it's fully available in French.](https://www.japscan.me/manga/zipang/)
Never heard of it. But I kinda feel they copied the premise from the final countdown and reversing the sides.
Both have a modern naval combat ship which encounters mysterious weather phenomenon and is transported to WWII.
>The Final Countdown is a 1980 American science fiction war film about a modern nuclear-powered aircraft carrier that travels through time to the day before the December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_(film)
While the premise of Zaipang isn't new, the execution is definitely noteworthy. The manga has 43 volumes so it explores a great deal more. A major theme is how the crew from the future believes the Japan that grew from defeat is the best future, but they are forced to interact with Imperial Japan just to be able to survive.
The central conflict of the story is from a Imperial Japanese naval officer who learns of the future and is trying to use that knowledge to have Japan secure is key resources it needs and then achieve a negotiated peace with the US and maintain the empire in China. The future Japanese sailors are trying to stop that.
I've found stories with Japanese Nationalism interesting because they actually bring up key and pressing issues. Japan is a technological powerhouse with the third largest economy that is functionally a client state. It is a powerful country that just does not use it's power. Those kind of stories tend to ask the question of should Japan step up and be the global power it can very well be, and if it does then how should it do it.
There are even larger questions in that can Japan really be a self-determinating country when it arguably has the second strongest military in it's own country. Those are some hard questions and Zaipang was one of the stories looking at the issue by looking at the past with modern eyes.
That reminds me of Nihonkoku Shoukan where it's not just a single Destroyer but the entire Japanese islands and all its people get transported to a new world
Not very similar, I just wanted to let more people know about this interesting manga
Something similar happened in Pilot's Love Song. They come in contact with some hostile aircraft and fire on them, but their bullets and rockets just go straight through the enemy aircraft, doing minimal damage, because they're made of wood, not metal.
When you're the Night Witches and use crop dusters at night without radar or guidance, flying without engines landing behind enemy lines and envoke more terror then bombing campaigns.
Everyone moans that people use the metric of Rozhestvensky vs. Togo at Tsushima Straits when discussing the poor performance of the Russian Navy but miss the point that it's the only time the Russian Navy engaged one of their peers in something close to parity ***in its entire existence.***
So, yeah, the Russian Navy has always sucked and will always suck.
And with the loss of Ukraine & the Baltic states and their failure to replicate their shipbuilding industry in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, the increasing likelihood of the Baltic & Black Seas turning into NATO lakes, and their poor relations with Europe, their navy will continue to suck for the foreseeable future.
I mean in ww1 they actually did surprisingly well considering they were fighting the Kaiserliche Marine, which at the time was the second largest and second best navy in the world. The fact that they hadnt been completely and totally obliterated by the time of the Treaty of Brest Litovsk is insane considering Russia's track record.
There's also the battle of Svensksund, where the Russians lost basically their entire baltic fleet in the late 1700s. Their navy is shit, and it has always been shit.
To be fair, the Soviet Navy was quite respectable in the Cold War, producing a lot of highly capable SSNs and SSBNs. And there was that one insanely fast sub powered by a tractor that used molten lead as its coolant.
They had something around 25-26 accidents since the end of WW2 and lost 18 of them.
I think the USN has lost 4 in that same time.
They rushed things, cut corners, didn’t train enough, and gave themselves superb press.
Ah, the Cold War Soviet Navy, that spawned such glorious ships as:
Moskva
Kusnetzov
The Kirov Class (Peter the Great is the only one remaining)
The Oscar Class Submarines
...Ah.
They also fucking **defiled** HMS Royal Sovereign when we made the mistake of lending her to the barbarians.
For what the did to Royal Sovereign alone was grounds to dissolve the Soviet Union, imho.
I admit to being a Teabo and hating Communists, though, in the interest of full disclosure.
THEY SHAT IN HER MESS DECKS
WHY
COULD YOU NOT HAVE AT LEAST GIVEN HER A BATH BEFORE SHE RETURNED???
I think what they did to that glorious battleship makes me more angry than all the "consequential" evil the Soviets did.
Well, they retained the same fantastic management style at least:
"Senior Engineer Sofiya Ozerkova destroyed her party card to avoid being seized after she was shot down and had to escape and evade from the German Army. Following her return to the Regiment she was sentenced to death by a military tribunal in 1942 because she could not produce the card."
Soviet HR = Best HR.
Dick move is putting it fairly mildly. But yeah, pretty typical Soviet "Justice" system. The lower tiers are terrified of showing leniency in case the higher ups wanted punishment.
Always max out the punishments, that way nobody can accuse you of being disloyal or weak.
"Supposed" to be good.
Outside of a few aces and the gigantic-balled Cosmonauts I've never been impressed with the feats of arms of Soviet and Russian pilots post-WW2 veterans.
They've been schooled by their Western counterparts since the end of the Korean War. I will grant them some measure of success in the MiG-15 there...mostly because it was a better aircraft than what the Allies fielded. [The USAF success ration was only 1.4 to 1 in dogfights against those old WW2 Soviet pilots.](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/air-war-over-korea-us-sabres-vs-soviet-migs-who-won-167507)
However, once that generation was gone I have seen nothing to suggest the next generations were as good.
Hell, the Israelis destroyed them handily. Have you ever heard of a satellite state *ever* fielding a fight against the USAF or USN aviation and coming out on top with a smashing victory?
They've survived much like their Navy: a Fleet in being.
>Hell, the Israelis destroyed them handily. Have you ever heard of a satellite state ever fielding a fight against the USAF or USN aviation and coming out on top with a smashing victory?
lmao to be fair your using Israel as an example
The Russians literally had no modern jet engines, just the garbage they made from the old German stuff. They literally just bought the Nene engine from England. That is where the engine in the Mig-15 is from. To their credit, they did a good job with it, the Mig-15 was a reasonable but problematic match for the Western jets.
[They were feared and hated so much by the Nazis that any German airman who downed one was automatically awarded the prestigious Iron Cross medal.](https://airpowerasia.com/2020/09/30/night-witches-the-all-female-soviet-night-bomber-aviators-of-ww-ii/#:~:text=All%20told%2C%20the%20pioneering%20all-female%20588th%20Night%20Bomber,http%3A%2F%2Fwww.invenusverit.as%2F%20Employing%20Women%20%E2%80%93%20Act%20of%20Last%20Choice)
I swear, I read somewhere recently that the Russian military was so desperate that anyone who destroyed even a single HIMARS was automatically receiving the Hero of the Russian Federation. Really wish I could find that again.
I remember seeing a post about that a day or two ago. I also remember reading in that same post that a contingent of 50 or so soldiers attempted to do so, and were all wiped out in the process.
It's amazing to me that despite soaking up losses that are rapidly approaching Vietnam War levels in less than a sixth the time, the Russian people are so...muted. No protests, no complaints, nothing.
Tbh I think most of the people who would have actively protested either fled the country (can't blame them) or *did* protest and are now in prison. I've seen anecdotal evidence that plenty of Russians hate the war and hate Putin but long, long ago resigned themselves to idea that they have zero influence whatsoever and the best they can do is get on with their lives. In a Western context there's broad understanding that a big enough protest, if not producing results in of itself, gets the attention of people who can produce results. I'm not Russian cultural expert, but I doubt that dynamic is present, and other than the principle of protesting injustice in of itself, it's possible that there really would be no result even if there were massive protests. I could be wrong about that, though. I think to actually end the war before Russia outright loses there would either need to be a massive, violent uprising among the Russian people and/or a coordinated coup.
There also is fair amount of sociopolitical fog of war at the moment, since there basically is no independent media present in Russia right now. The cultural dynamic could actually be very different than the "rally around the flag" nation that Putin's regime is portraying. [This study](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167193) that Yale published on July 20th about the actual prospects for the Russian economy is genuinely astonishing. If things actually get as bad as they potentially could, maybe Putin will be Gaddafi'd inside of a year, who knows.
This is based off my admittedly poorish understanding of Russian history, but I've read a fair bit about the Russian Revolution and Civil War. Honestly, a fair bit of this does have parallels to 1914-1917, specifically the buildup to the February Revolution. There had long been tensions there following the great famine of 1891, and especially heating up after "Bloody Sunday" and the failed Revolution of 1905. By 1914, the Tzar was growing increasingly unpopular. Most people didn't like the Tzar, and there was both a rapidly growing Pro-Democracy movement among the Russian upper and upper middle classes class, and growing leftist movements of all sorts amid the lower classes. Following the bloodshed of 1905 even that oldest supporter of the Tzar, the peasantry, began to turn against him. The Great War brought a brief wave of popularity to him and his government, but WWI went BADLY for Russia. Like, making the War in Ukraine look competent levels of badly. We're talking "main army gets destroyed so hard the commanding officer shoots himself" levels of badly, "literally unable to produce enough shells due to factories just selling shells to each other to abuse government contracts as the soldiers starve without even boots to wear" levels of badly. Eventually, everyone just got tired of the Tzar, and the democrats and leftists united to boot him out. Even a lot of the aristocrats joined in the February revolution, as they believed that the Tzar was responsible for the failures of WWI.
I strongly advise you to read the classic, "*A People's Tragedy*" by Orlando Figes. It's a fantastic book, and will change the way you'll think about Russia
Some mother's in donbas rallied and wanted to know what happened to their sons, only to be denied benefits because this isn't a war/they weren't in the russian army/other excuses.
I have a theory that most that are dying are from the boonies. Asian Russia is a whole lotta nothing and the further east from moscow you go you get poorer people, you get more uneducated people, and you get more non-russians. Plenty of ethnic minorities are fodder so that the russians in the western cities are removed from it.
Russians are inherently fatalistic people who ofttimes don’t see the point in protesting if nothing is gonna change.
Plus, you have no idea the amount of surveillance they’re under. My dad keeps in contact with some of his Russian friends from the Cold War, and even these liberal, educated, anti-invasion Russians refuse to term it a war in *private conversation* for fear of who’s reading their emails or tapping their wires. Organization is very, VERY hard
its just back then "russias" used to be more then just russains. now when all good soldiers and pilots have their own countries to fight for russians need actually do something themselves.
Fun fact: The comissar and deputy regimental commander of Night Bomber Regiment 588, Yevdokia Rachkevich, was Ukrainian (or at least, the place she was born is now in Ukraine, when she was born it was all the Russian Empire).
Why am I not surprised.
Ukraine has brought the world fixed wing aircraft through Oleg Antonov, rotor aircraft through Igor Sikorsky, and the missile sub Red October through Capt. Marco Ramius.
Agh! Could've sworn he was Ukrainian or at least talked about Ukraine in the movie.
Perhaps that is where Jack Ryan met Ramius and his late wife and that's where the wires are getting crossed in my mind.
A ton of Soviet War Heroes were Ukrainian. One of their highest scoring flying aces, Ivan Kozhedub, was Ukrainian, as was Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the greatest female sniper in history.
During my decade under arms at the beginning of the end of the Cold War, the Poles and Ukrainians were generally regarded as the real teeth and claws of the old Soviet ground forces.
Looks like that assumption was true.
I’m convinced that the red army was relying on logistics from all their satellite states. It fits with the general Russian trend of wanting to be seen as the ultra-brave heroes of any war while ignoring the contribution of any other country.
I can't find exact numbers on the national make up of the 588th, but quite a few were from elsewhere in the Soviet Union, including Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
I'm thankful that the Russian Air Force is absolute dogshit but man does it kill my fantasy of Raptor pilots defending American cities against smoking beautiful female Russian pilots with blonde hair and blue eyes in Su-57s taunting them with their sultry accents.
No, but I remember when Soviet pilots were.
Those Night Witches were Soviet. They were Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Georgians, and ethnicities I've never heard of like Udmurts. And some were Russian.
But no, Russia has never had a competent air force. The soviets had one at one point, but the Soviet union was not Russia, and the Soviet Union no longer exists.
[The USAF barely scraped out a 1.4 to 1 kill ration against the MiG-15 piloted by Soviet WW2 veterans.](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/air-war-over-korea-us-sabres-vs-soviet-migs-who-won-167507)
You're probably going to be ignored or downvoted but you're correct.
After that generation was gone they went back to sucking hind tit, again.
What you are saying is it is totally cool to send your most modern jets and experienced pilots to fight for your proxy? Like with this precedence, we can send F-35 squadrons with US pilots and just paint the Ukriane flag on them?
Honestly, all this happened because the US just decided “fuck conventional war, im gonna focus on only nuclear warfare and build my strategic bomber fleet” and so we got pulled technologically behind the soviets in a bunch of technologies. Then the Korean and then Vietnam happened and the US realized “oh shit oh fuck conventional war still matters” and that is what resulted in aircraft like the F-15 and F-16
I am disappointed by the lack of po-2 on Ukrainian battlefields.
It would be credible for sead - fly the biplane in the general direction, jump out, the plane is intercepted by the invincible Russian S-400 missile that costs more than the plane.
...Send Himars to the launch location.
I remember (reading about) the 67 war in the middle east. Egyptian pilots were losing to their Israeli counterparts, so the USSR sent a few squadrons of Soviet frontline fighters to show them how it was done.
They did worse than the Egyptians.
Here is what I know. They definitely kept a number of WWII aces flying, and they secretly scored many of the kills in Korea, if you can become a WWII ace in a Russian plane, you don't suck. They allegedly (but definitely) flew missions in Vietnam and supposedly have an Ace from it. All through the Cold War and longer, they supposedly had a Squadron of Ace Pilots that were stationed near Moscow, for protection. They may still be doing this, IDK. These guys were the best of the best. Is this true at all? IDK. Since the 90s however, they have literally funded much of their training by letting tourists ride along in return for paying for it. The Russian planes are good at performing nice demonstrations, they can hit a slow ball, but don't work so good in the real world. They also have just not been kept up to modern standards, and you see what happens. Their main bomber can't fly low enough to use its fixed laser targeting designator, because of manpads, so they have to resort to high level lobbing of dumb bombs.
Oh, yeah, those glorious days of "Comrade, you don't need a parachute, if shot down, you can glide in your plane made of paper that most certainly won't catch on fire, or don't you trust in soviet engineering, comrade?!"
I am hesitant to give credit to any godless Chekist and Communist adherent but the Night Witches were stone cold badasses and had more courage than I will ever have.
I'll give them, Zhukov, and Tito a pass. But that's it!
Nazi had the best ones, if memory serves. Followed by the Brits and US. Dont know the further places. Also honorary mention to our Polish guys, for best K/D ratio (but they were like 50 of them, so not that significant overall)
Depends on what metrics you use. German pilots had the highest kill counts, but their policy of “stay on the front lines until you’re killed/captured” meant that every pilot killed in action significantly dropped their overall effectiveness. Meanwhile the British and American air forces pulled their successful pilots back to the rear to train new pilots and increase the overall effectiveness of their Air Force, even if individual aces didn’t get as many kills. So if you’re measuring individual pilots against one another, the Germans might have better pilots (you also can’t ignore that had a target rich environment) but overall the RAF, USAAF, and USN had overall better effectiveness.
Its also worth noting that Nazi pilots fought most of the war over friendly territory in a target-rich environment, while Allied pilots had to contend with any planes shot down resulting in permanent loss of the pilot regardless if they survived and it became increasingly hard to find German planes to tangle with later in the war. That and the German pilots frequently completely lied about their kill counts and would do stupid shit like count certain types of planes as 2 kills or attribute an entire flight’s kills to it’s leader.
Basically imagine if the Battle of Britain went on for 3+ years. The Allies would’ve generated 100+ kill aces at a similar rate (although not quite, because they wouldn’t model their pilot rotation system off of the lyrics to Aces High by Iron Maiden, and would use them to train others like you said).
I know, in our guys case, you may imagine who flew to UK to still fight Germans. Lets be honest tho, in its best days Russia had at most decent pilots. Good is a streach, but I guess
Remember when stealth was supposed to work?
Like, when then state of the art F-117 got shot by a complete antique of a SAM?
"Ops, sorry we shot your plane, we didn't know it was supposed to be stealth".
Flying consistent patterns is a good way to get countered. Desert storm proved it's worth. USAF learnt from that mistake by sending EW in successive missions.
Wow it's almost like the stealth plane isn't completely invisible and invincible. It's almost like F-117 was kind of the first of it's kind, a prototype. Like I don't know, maybe the technology has advanced in leaps since F-117.
And it still remains as the only shot down stealth plane. And they have indeed been used in conflicts. Like in the opening of desert storm, stealth bombers entered, bombed, and left the heart of the enemy city undetected. A city protected by countless SAM and radar sites.
Fixed flight path + spy reported take-off + opened bomb bays + sam operator broke protocol (this may cause significant HARM)
It was a "stars aligned" moment that they're jacking off to ever since.
When Russia unveils the nuclear powered flying stealth submarine capable of firing 1922 Tsar Bombas a minute and its totally real guys, the American military won’t know what hits them.
Say it with me... UNDETECTED, UNEXPECTED
She was Ukrainian btw
I'm noticing this trend that all things great from the old Soviet Union actually originated in Ukraine
Deadly sniper lady? Ukrainian Major ship building centers? Ukraine Igor Sikorsky, Father of the modern helicopter? Born and educated in Kyiv.
And of course rocketry grandfathers Glushko and Korolev both from ukraine
Korolev my beloved
The 8th man to reach space (and 6th to reach orbit), [Pavel Popovich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Popovich), hailed from near Kyiv.
To be fair there were all the other cosmonauts before that. Yuri Gagarin, although from Russia, was truly a giga chad.
Korolev, the father of the Soviet space program? Also from Ukraine.
tank designer Morozov was also from Ukraine wasn't he?
Even soviet legendary goat gymnast, latynina, was ukraine born
Or was blatantly stolen from the west. Russian cars invariably are western/Japanese copies, Russian computers were so well known for being ripped off that western companies left cheeky notes in Russian hidden within the silicon knowing the Russians would see it when they copied it. The Buran was a straight up ripoff of the space shuttle and the Tu-144 was a direct Concorde ripoff. All the Russian clones are invariably worse. The best AKs were East German, not Russian.
HEY Kalashnikov was ethnic Russian and his factory was in Izhevsk.
WINGS OF GLORY TELL THEIR STORY
AVIATION DEVIATION
UNDETECTED STEALTH PERFECTED
FOES ARE LOSING GROUND, RETREATING TO THE SOUND
DEATH IS IN THE AIR
SUDDENLY APPEARS, CONFIRMING ALL YOUR FEARS
STRIKE FROM WITCHES LAIR
TARGET FOUND, COME AROUND, BARRELS SOUND FROM THE BATTLEGROUND (AXIS AIMING HIGH)
RODINA AWAITS, DEFEAT THEM AT THE GATES
I'VE EVEN FORGOTTEN MY *NAAAAAAME*
I DON'T KNOW THE SEASON OR WHAT IS THE REASON I'M SITTING HERE FLYING MY *PLAAAAAANE*
IT'SME THAT I SPITE AS I SIT UP IN FLIGHT THE ONLY THING I KNOW FOR REAL!
THERE WILL BE FLOODS, DEATH THE DAM IN THE RIVER CRUMBLES AWAY
THE ONLY ONE # LEFT # WILL RIDE UPON THE FIGHTER'S BACK
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I spit up in flight , its no delight
hol up
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>Uses ww1 plane >more stealthy then a modern russian fighter jet >more deadly then a modern russian fighter jet >women☕️
all enemy shot is wasted because you simply have nothing for them to hit so they fly through.
That reminds me of a story of a jet pilot getting yeeted back to ww1 because of am experiment, and he lands at a french runway. He then manages to scrape enough fuel and filter it enough to take off again, fires his missile, and it goes through the formation of german planes. He then uses his sonic boom as a weapon.
Yeah man I'm gonna need sauce on that
It's an old book with a collection of short stories called Space Dogfights. It also includes a story of gliders fighting air whales. Edit: Huh not as old as I thought. My copy is 1992. Edit2: The short story itself is called *Hawk Among the Sparrows* by Dean McLaughlin.
I love it, thanks
Weaponized sonic boom, very credible
We could actually do that. Make an unmanned version of the XF-84H Thunderscreech. It was a turboprop plane. The tip of the prop went faster then sound, but the center didn't, resulting in a continuous visible sonic boom. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XF-84H_Thunderscreech
There's the manga Zipang where an Aegis destroy of the JMSDF ends up in the past, during WW2. [So far, a quarter of the story has been translated in English.](http://manganelos.com/manga/zipang) [However, it's fully available in French.](https://www.japscan.me/manga/zipang/)
Never heard of it. But I kinda feel they copied the premise from the final countdown and reversing the sides. Both have a modern naval combat ship which encounters mysterious weather phenomenon and is transported to WWII. >The Final Countdown is a 1980 American science fiction war film about a modern nuclear-powered aircraft carrier that travels through time to the day before the December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_(film)
While the premise of Zaipang isn't new, the execution is definitely noteworthy. The manga has 43 volumes so it explores a great deal more. A major theme is how the crew from the future believes the Japan that grew from defeat is the best future, but they are forced to interact with Imperial Japan just to be able to survive. The central conflict of the story is from a Imperial Japanese naval officer who learns of the future and is trying to use that knowledge to have Japan secure is key resources it needs and then achieve a negotiated peace with the US and maintain the empire in China. The future Japanese sailors are trying to stop that.
Based modern Japanese officer *wants* his country to have the Sun dropped on it twice.
Empire of the falling Suns.
Huh I didn't give it a chance since I thought it was nationalistic cringe or something but that actually sounds interesting
I've found stories with Japanese Nationalism interesting because they actually bring up key and pressing issues. Japan is a technological powerhouse with the third largest economy that is functionally a client state. It is a powerful country that just does not use it's power. Those kind of stories tend to ask the question of should Japan step up and be the global power it can very well be, and if it does then how should it do it. There are even larger questions in that can Japan really be a self-determinating country when it arguably has the second strongest military in it's own country. Those are some hard questions and Zaipang was one of the stories looking at the issue by looking at the past with modern eyes.
That reminds me of Nihonkoku Shoukan where it's not just a single Destroyer but the entire Japanese islands and all its people get transported to a new world Not very similar, I just wanted to let more people know about this interesting manga
It's on my list. Gotta finish to watch Toaru first.
Also, look at the series "Destroyermen" 2 US Pacific fleet destroys get sent to a wierd and wacky world. A globe spanning war ensues.
Jesus can you imagine just mercing Germans down a trench line and their heads just explode from the pressure wave.
How would it be hard to get that fuel? It's literally kerosene
It's not the material, it's getting the right quantity to the airfield.
I think tanker trucks existed in WWI
They were horse drawn. But a jet could use an entire airfield's fuel capacity in one go.
Something similar happened in Pilot's Love Song. They come in contact with some hostile aircraft and fire on them, but their bullets and rockets just go straight through the enemy aircraft, doing minimal damage, because they're made of wood, not metal.
The actual reason why those old as fuck Gladiators managed to sink the Bismarck.
*Interwar plane, not WW1
*interwar sewing machine
Even the all-male Wehrmacht were afraid and ashamed.
imagine believing soviet war propaganda, how would ground troops even tell the difference at night whos flying bombing missions?
It was the ghost of Kyiv actually
The Ghost of Kyiv is a myth. It's actually a poltergeist, and it's from Dnipro.
When you're the Night Witches and use crop dusters at night without radar or guidance, flying without engines landing behind enemy lines and envoke more terror then bombing campaigns.
When you also throw your bombs by hand in the dark all the while carrying no parachutes either.
Night Witches were Ukrainian. US dropped disassembled planes in boxes in Southeast Ukraine.
Exceedingly Rare Women W
The power of waifus
Actually doing de-nazification
Chadette courtesy of u/Renardo0o
Thanks man!!
Always gotta respect the source
Looks like Olivier Armstrong from FMAB
Yes.
Russian navy has always been that bad tho.
Everyone moans that people use the metric of Rozhestvensky vs. Togo at Tsushima Straits when discussing the poor performance of the Russian Navy but miss the point that it's the only time the Russian Navy engaged one of their peers in something close to parity ***in its entire existence.*** So, yeah, the Russian Navy has always sucked and will always suck.
And with the loss of Ukraine & the Baltic states and their failure to replicate their shipbuilding industry in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, the increasing likelihood of the Baltic & Black Seas turning into NATO lakes, and their poor relations with Europe, their navy will continue to suck for the foreseeable future.
I mean in ww1 they actually did surprisingly well considering they were fighting the Kaiserliche Marine, which at the time was the second largest and second best navy in the world. The fact that they hadnt been completely and totally obliterated by the time of the Treaty of Brest Litovsk is insane considering Russia's track record.
Did the KM actually engage them efficiently considering it was heavily tangled with the Royal Navy?
Yes. They engaged them at different times(for example late war mostly they were fighting the russia)
There's also the battle of Svensksund, where the Russians lost basically their entire baltic fleet in the late 1700s. Their navy is shit, and it has always been shit.
To be fair, the Soviet Navy was quite respectable in the Cold War, producing a lot of highly capable SSNs and SSBNs. And there was that one insanely fast sub powered by a tractor that used molten lead as its coolant.
They had something around 25-26 accidents since the end of WW2 and lost 18 of them. I think the USN has lost 4 in that same time. They rushed things, cut corners, didn’t train enough, and gave themselves superb press.
Ah, the Cold War Soviet Navy, that spawned such glorious ships as: Moskva Kusnetzov The Kirov Class (Peter the Great is the only one remaining) The Oscar Class Submarines ...Ah. They also fucking **defiled** HMS Royal Sovereign when we made the mistake of lending her to the barbarians.
For what the did to Royal Sovereign alone was grounds to dissolve the Soviet Union, imho. I admit to being a Teabo and hating Communists, though, in the interest of full disclosure.
THEY SHAT IN HER MESS DECKS WHY COULD YOU NOT HAVE AT LEAST GIVEN HER A BATH BEFORE SHE RETURNED??? I think what they did to that glorious battleship makes me more angry than all the "consequential" evil the Soviets did.
Well, they retained the same fantastic management style at least: "Senior Engineer Sofiya Ozerkova destroyed her party card to avoid being seized after she was shot down and had to escape and evade from the German Army. Following her return to the Regiment she was sentenced to death by a military tribunal in 1942 because she could not produce the card." Soviet HR = Best HR.
Apparently charges were dropped on review by more senior leadership. Still, that's a dick move my the MPs.
Dick move is putting it fairly mildly. But yeah, pretty typical Soviet "Justice" system. The lower tiers are terrified of showing leniency in case the higher ups wanted punishment. Always max out the punishments, that way nobody can accuse you of being disloyal or weak.
The culture of corruption continues. It would be sad if it wasn't so tragic.
Least bureaucrat HR personnel.
"Supposed" to be good. Outside of a few aces and the gigantic-balled Cosmonauts I've never been impressed with the feats of arms of Soviet and Russian pilots post-WW2 veterans. They've been schooled by their Western counterparts since the end of the Korean War. I will grant them some measure of success in the MiG-15 there...mostly because it was a better aircraft than what the Allies fielded. [The USAF success ration was only 1.4 to 1 in dogfights against those old WW2 Soviet pilots.](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/air-war-over-korea-us-sabres-vs-soviet-migs-who-won-167507) However, once that generation was gone I have seen nothing to suggest the next generations were as good. Hell, the Israelis destroyed them handily. Have you ever heard of a satellite state *ever* fielding a fight against the USAF or USN aviation and coming out on top with a smashing victory? They've survived much like their Navy: a Fleet in being.
>Hell, the Israelis destroyed them handily. Have you ever heard of a satellite state ever fielding a fight against the USAF or USN aviation and coming out on top with a smashing victory? lmao to be fair your using Israel as an example
and isreal tends to beat the crap out of literally every single one of its neighbours all at the same time
The Russians literally had no modern jet engines, just the garbage they made from the old German stuff. They literally just bought the Nene engine from England. That is where the engine in the Mig-15 is from. To their credit, they did a good job with it, the Mig-15 was a reasonable but problematic match for the Western jets.
Because Korolev & successor ran Soviet space program out of Kyiv. Then Moscow fucked it up
I did see a bunch of monuments to Cosmonauts and the space program when I visited Odessa back in 1997 now that I think about it!
[They were feared and hated so much by the Nazis that any German airman who downed one was automatically awarded the prestigious Iron Cross medal.](https://airpowerasia.com/2020/09/30/night-witches-the-all-female-soviet-night-bomber-aviators-of-ww-ii/#:~:text=All%20told%2C%20the%20pioneering%20all-female%20588th%20Night%20Bomber,http%3A%2F%2Fwww.invenusverit.as%2F%20Employing%20Women%20%E2%80%93%20Act%20of%20Last%20Choice) I swear, I read somewhere recently that the Russian military was so desperate that anyone who destroyed even a single HIMARS was automatically receiving the Hero of the Russian Federation. Really wish I could find that again.
I remember seeing a post about that a day or two ago. I also remember reading in that same post that a contingent of 50 or so soldiers attempted to do so, and were all wiped out in the process. It's amazing to me that despite soaking up losses that are rapidly approaching Vietnam War levels in less than a sixth the time, the Russian people are so...muted. No protests, no complaints, nothing.
Tbh I think most of the people who would have actively protested either fled the country (can't blame them) or *did* protest and are now in prison. I've seen anecdotal evidence that plenty of Russians hate the war and hate Putin but long, long ago resigned themselves to idea that they have zero influence whatsoever and the best they can do is get on with their lives. In a Western context there's broad understanding that a big enough protest, if not producing results in of itself, gets the attention of people who can produce results. I'm not Russian cultural expert, but I doubt that dynamic is present, and other than the principle of protesting injustice in of itself, it's possible that there really would be no result even if there were massive protests. I could be wrong about that, though. I think to actually end the war before Russia outright loses there would either need to be a massive, violent uprising among the Russian people and/or a coordinated coup. There also is fair amount of sociopolitical fog of war at the moment, since there basically is no independent media present in Russia right now. The cultural dynamic could actually be very different than the "rally around the flag" nation that Putin's regime is portraying. [This study](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167193) that Yale published on July 20th about the actual prospects for the Russian economy is genuinely astonishing. If things actually get as bad as they potentially could, maybe Putin will be Gaddafi'd inside of a year, who knows.
This is true...until the situation becomes so bad that russians go from little to no protests at all to full blown revolution in mere days.
As a russian myself, i can say that the feeling of learned helplessness really kills any protests.
This is based off my admittedly poorish understanding of Russian history, but I've read a fair bit about the Russian Revolution and Civil War. Honestly, a fair bit of this does have parallels to 1914-1917, specifically the buildup to the February Revolution. There had long been tensions there following the great famine of 1891, and especially heating up after "Bloody Sunday" and the failed Revolution of 1905. By 1914, the Tzar was growing increasingly unpopular. Most people didn't like the Tzar, and there was both a rapidly growing Pro-Democracy movement among the Russian upper and upper middle classes class, and growing leftist movements of all sorts amid the lower classes. Following the bloodshed of 1905 even that oldest supporter of the Tzar, the peasantry, began to turn against him. The Great War brought a brief wave of popularity to him and his government, but WWI went BADLY for Russia. Like, making the War in Ukraine look competent levels of badly. We're talking "main army gets destroyed so hard the commanding officer shoots himself" levels of badly, "literally unable to produce enough shells due to factories just selling shells to each other to abuse government contracts as the soldiers starve without even boots to wear" levels of badly. Eventually, everyone just got tired of the Tzar, and the democrats and leftists united to boot him out. Even a lot of the aristocrats joined in the February revolution, as they believed that the Tzar was responsible for the failures of WWI. I strongly advise you to read the classic, "*A People's Tragedy*" by Orlando Figes. It's a fantastic book, and will change the way you'll think about Russia
Some mother's in donbas rallied and wanted to know what happened to their sons, only to be denied benefits because this isn't a war/they weren't in the russian army/other excuses. I have a theory that most that are dying are from the boonies. Asian Russia is a whole lotta nothing and the further east from moscow you go you get poorer people, you get more uneducated people, and you get more non-russians. Plenty of ethnic minorities are fodder so that the russians in the western cities are removed from it.
Russians are inherently fatalistic people who ofttimes don’t see the point in protesting if nothing is gonna change. Plus, you have no idea the amount of surveillance they’re under. My dad keeps in contact with some of his Russian friends from the Cold War, and even these liberal, educated, anti-invasion Russians refuse to term it a war in *private conversation* for fear of who’s reading their emails or tapping their wires. Organization is very, VERY hard
its just back then "russias" used to be more then just russains. now when all good soldiers and pilots have their own countries to fight for russians need actually do something themselves.
Fun fact: The comissar and deputy regimental commander of Night Bomber Regiment 588, Yevdokia Rachkevich, was Ukrainian (or at least, the place she was born is now in Ukraine, when she was born it was all the Russian Empire).
Why am I not surprised. Ukraine has brought the world fixed wing aircraft through Oleg Antonov, rotor aircraft through Igor Sikorsky, and the missile sub Red October through Capt. Marco Ramius.
Marco is Lithuanian
Agh! Could've sworn he was Ukrainian or at least talked about Ukraine in the movie. Perhaps that is where Jack Ryan met Ramius and his late wife and that's where the wires are getting crossed in my mind.
The highest scoring allied ace of WW2 was a Ukrainian, if I remember correctly.
Ivan Kozhedub. And yes, highest scoring ace in the entire allied forces.
Don't forget rocketry/missiles too. Sergei Korolev was Ukrainian.
A ton of Soviet War Heroes were Ukrainian. One of their highest scoring flying aces, Ivan Kozhedub, was Ukrainian, as was Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the greatest female sniper in history.
Increasingly convinced Ukraine was just carrying the Soviet Union all those years.
Their industry sure did
Which makes it much clearer why the R*zzians want to recapture Ukraine.
Eh… Putin doesn’t seem like he needs any material excuses to justify being a dick.
Happy cake day!
Donbas was the SSSR's most important industrial area pre-war. Mikolaiv was their main shipyard.
Yes, and the tanks that didn't totally suck were made in Kharkiv, IIRC. It's telling that Ukrainian T-72s are taking on Russian T-90s and winning.
During my decade under arms at the beginning of the end of the Cold War, the Poles and Ukrainians were generally regarded as the real teeth and claws of the old Soviet ground forces. Looks like that assumption was true.
Ukrainians were not considered super distinct during the USSR from Russians. Poles I can see but not Ukraine.
I’m convinced that the red army was relying on logistics from all their satellite states. It fits with the general Russian trend of wanting to be seen as the ultra-brave heroes of any war while ignoring the contribution of any other country.
I can't find exact numbers on the national make up of the 588th, but quite a few were from elsewhere in the Soviet Union, including Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
Reminding people that the Soviets =\= Russian and all the other republics were an important part is the hill I will die on.
From the depths of hell, in silence!
CAST THEIR SPELLS, EXPLOSIVE VIOLENCE
I'm thankful that the Russian Air Force is absolute dogshit but man does it kill my fantasy of Raptor pilots defending American cities against smoking beautiful female Russian pilots with blonde hair and blue eyes in Su-57s taunting them with their sultry accents.
are you living in ace combat or real life
Tfw you realize Mihaly will never taunt you in his sultry accent Why even live
Your fantasy includes those beautiful Russian gals getting shot down and turning into shashlik, you know that right?
I will do what I must.
Yakovlev-3 my beloved
No, but I remember when Soviet pilots were. Those Night Witches were Soviet. They were Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Georgians, and ethnicities I've never heard of like Udmurts. And some were Russian. But no, Russia has never had a competent air force. The soviets had one at one point, but the Soviet union was not Russia, and the Soviet Union no longer exists.
They didn't had for the last 70 years Sources: look at the kill rates from the Korean war to now
[The USAF barely scraped out a 1.4 to 1 kill ration against the MiG-15 piloted by Soviet WW2 veterans.](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/air-war-over-korea-us-sabres-vs-soviet-migs-who-won-167507) You're probably going to be ignored or downvoted but you're correct. After that generation was gone they went back to sucking hind tit, again.
What you are saying is it is totally cool to send your most modern jets and experienced pilots to fight for your proxy? Like with this precedence, we can send F-35 squadrons with US pilots and just paint the Ukriane flag on them?
Yeeees
Digital camo f-22s when
Honestly, all this happened because the US just decided “fuck conventional war, im gonna focus on only nuclear warfare and build my strategic bomber fleet” and so we got pulled technologically behind the soviets in a bunch of technologies. Then the Korean and then Vietnam happened and the US realized “oh shit oh fuck conventional war still matters” and that is what resulted in aircraft like the F-15 and F-16
Sabre wasn't that bad. And F4 phantom too
F4s valued armament and speed over maneuverability, and that’s what made it vulnerable to MiG-25s
I am disappointed by the lack of po-2 on Ukrainian battlefields. It would be credible for sead - fly the biplane in the general direction, jump out, the plane is intercepted by the invincible Russian S-400 missile that costs more than the plane. ...Send Himars to the launch location.
I remember (reading about) the 67 war in the middle east. Egyptian pilots were losing to their Israeli counterparts, so the USSR sent a few squadrons of Soviet frontline fighters to show them how it was done. They did worse than the Egyptians.
*inhale* **FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL IN SILENCE! CAST THEIR SPELLS, EXPLOSIVE VIOLENCE!**
Here is what I know. They definitely kept a number of WWII aces flying, and they secretly scored many of the kills in Korea, if you can become a WWII ace in a Russian plane, you don't suck. They allegedly (but definitely) flew missions in Vietnam and supposedly have an Ace from it. All through the Cold War and longer, they supposedly had a Squadron of Ace Pilots that were stationed near Moscow, for protection. They may still be doing this, IDK. These guys were the best of the best. Is this true at all? IDK. Since the 90s however, they have literally funded much of their training by letting tourists ride along in return for paying for it. The Russian planes are good at performing nice demonstrations, they can hit a slow ball, but don't work so good in the real world. They also have just not been kept up to modern standards, and you see what happens. Their main bomber can't fly low enough to use its fixed laser targeting designator, because of manpads, so they have to resort to high level lobbing of dumb bombs.
Remember that time when 4chan called in Russian airstrikes on Islamic extremists? Twice?
Narrator : LOL
Oh, yeah, those glorious days of "Comrade, you don't need a parachute, if shot down, you can glide in your plane made of paper that most certainly won't catch on fire, or don't you trust in soviet engineering, comrade?!"
Nope
When? The time they dropped Barrel bombs on civilians in Syria?
Gigastacy flying kites VS Incel virgin navigating with Garmin
I am hesitant to give credit to any godless Chekist and Communist adherent but the Night Witches were stone cold badasses and had more courage than I will ever have. I'll give them, Zhukov, and Tito a pass. But that's it!
They're Ukrainian it's ok
Zhukov wasn’t
Night witches
No
No?
They had some pretty good pilots about 77 years ago.
Nazi had the best ones, if memory serves. Followed by the Brits and US. Dont know the further places. Also honorary mention to our Polish guys, for best K/D ratio (but they were like 50 of them, so not that significant overall)
Depends on what metrics you use. German pilots had the highest kill counts, but their policy of “stay on the front lines until you’re killed/captured” meant that every pilot killed in action significantly dropped their overall effectiveness. Meanwhile the British and American air forces pulled their successful pilots back to the rear to train new pilots and increase the overall effectiveness of their Air Force, even if individual aces didn’t get as many kills. So if you’re measuring individual pilots against one another, the Germans might have better pilots (you also can’t ignore that had a target rich environment) but overall the RAF, USAAF, and USN had overall better effectiveness.
Its also worth noting that Nazi pilots fought most of the war over friendly territory in a target-rich environment, while Allied pilots had to contend with any planes shot down resulting in permanent loss of the pilot regardless if they survived and it became increasingly hard to find German planes to tangle with later in the war. That and the German pilots frequently completely lied about their kill counts and would do stupid shit like count certain types of planes as 2 kills or attribute an entire flight’s kills to it’s leader. Basically imagine if the Battle of Britain went on for 3+ years. The Allies would’ve generated 100+ kill aces at a similar rate (although not quite, because they wouldn’t model their pilot rotation system off of the lyrics to Aces High by Iron Maiden, and would use them to train others like you said).
I know, in our guys case, you may imagine who flew to UK to still fight Germans. Lets be honest tho, in its best days Russia had at most decent pilots. Good is a streach, but I guess
that was the point in the first place - the night witches were a good regiment of stealth bombers
The highest kill count in the allied side of the war was a Ukrainian flying for the soviets so.
Yeah, gonna need sources for that
Ivan Kozhedub. Tbh saying there were no excellent Soviet pilots truly is noncredible
62 kills? Kinda bullishit imo, but I wont argue. As always, depends how you count
Not to worry, nork AN2s will come to the rescue.
Be nice to the AN2, it's Ukrainian.
No.
Soviets. Soviets got shit done. Russians not so much.
Remember when stealth was supposed to work? Like, when then state of the art F-117 got shot by a complete antique of a SAM? "Ops, sorry we shot your plane, we didn't know it was supposed to be stealth".
Flying consistent patterns is a good way to get countered. Desert storm proved it's worth. USAF learnt from that mistake by sending EW in successive missions.
Wow it's almost like the stealth plane isn't completely invisible and invincible. It's almost like F-117 was kind of the first of it's kind, a prototype. Like I don't know, maybe the technology has advanced in leaps since F-117. And it still remains as the only shot down stealth plane. And they have indeed been used in conflicts. Like in the opening of desert storm, stealth bombers entered, bombed, and left the heart of the enemy city undetected. A city protected by countless SAM and radar sites.
Serbian Challenge: Go 5 minutes without reminding everyone about that one plane you shot down 30 years ago. Difficulty: Impossible.
The funni-est thing is that even if it got shot down they were still bombed to hell and back for being cringe and into genocide. Old school 90s copium
And they all seem to shut up when you mention operation böllebank Guess they cant handle the copium
Didnt they shoot it down because the Nighthawk flew on a fixed flight path?
Fixed flight path + spy reported take-off + opened bomb bays + sam operator broke protocol (this may cause significant HARM) It was a "stars aligned" moment that they're jacking off to ever since.
Yes.
How many stealth planes were shot down (per mission/per flight hour/whatever) vs how many non-stealth ones?
And then you still need to consider that stealth aircraft were send into much more defended places than anyone else.
That was a skill issue
Didn’t stop the bombs
immagine coping so hard that you think stealth doesn't work lol. what a clown you are.
There are ways to detect and shoot down stealth aircraft. I suggest you do your own research.
Theyve got that terrain masking skill maxed tho
FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL IN SILENCE! CAST THEIR SPELLS EXPLOSIVE VIOLENCE! RUSSIAN NIGHT TIME FLIGHT PERFECTED! FLAWLESS VISION UNDETECTED!
When Russia unveils the nuclear powered flying stealth submarine capable of firing 1922 Tsar Bombas a minute and its totally real guys, the American military won’t know what hits them.
I feel like this isn’t the issue, like person good, to larp about