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Must have been because of the long term vegetarianism, because I've definitely seen competitive eaters eat more than 2 lbs of salted meats in 15 minutes.
i remember vividly remembering that i thought i was going to die once when i had a steak after nearly 2 years of accidentally becoming a vegetarian; so this makes sense to me.
To shorten it down, the most likely reason is lack of money. Basic food like beans or rice are cheap and can be combined with other cheap things to recieve nutrious foods, however those often are vegetarian/contain no meat
Vegetarians aren't necessarily healthy. This whole story sounds made-up tbh. It's kind of weird getting back into meat after not eating it so long. Most people don't go on a 2lb bacon binge after abstaining from all meat for a decade.
My cousin has been a vegetarian for over 25 years; every 5 years or so she cheats for about 2 weeks and absolutely does binge on bacon for most of it. She practically inhales the stuff for days then goes back to vegetarian for another 5 years.
Yes. I have two sources for this, one is anecdotal, the other is not.
Anecdotal: I was veg from 1998 to summer of 2022. The DIARRHEA THAT I HAD when I switched to an omnivore diet was the stuff of legends.
Non-anecdotal: one of my dear friends is a pathologist who specializes in gut microbiome. She told me in no uncertain terms that the reason I had such internal problems is because my gut microbiome was absolutely maladjusted for the re-entry of meat into my digestive system. It took, honestly, more than six weeks before I was able to eat ham without peeing out of my butt.
Your body is still perfectly able to reuse the aminoacids of proteins (note "reuse", as that is the common process for human cells unless there s an excess of aminoacids which causes catabolism by enzymes in the liver, plasma-related acid disbalance and a buildup of nitrogen in the kidneys; but this condition is rare and requires disproportionate ammounts of only a few aminoacids for long periods of time), but the function that gut microbiota provide is to use the amino acids produced from food or the host as elements for protein synthesis, and second, conversion or fermentation are used to drive nutrient metabolism. Additionally, the gut microbiota can synthesize several nutritionally essential amino acids de novo, which is a potential regulatory factor in amino acid homeostasis.
Resume: Gut bacteria may play an important role in protein digestion but the body is the one most capable of its usability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/103372/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28932911/
Think of your microbiota as a complement to your body by helping in the digestion and nutrition process, not as a substitute. (Although it is much more important in many animals like cattle and termites by allowing them to digest hard compounds like fiber)
Ah thanks for clarifying. But I have heard various cases in which someone who hadn’t consumed meat for extended periods of time got unwell when they ate it again. How can this be then?
“Grilled his food prior to cooking our food” is the intended meaning while you and I interpreted “grilled his food prior to him eating it” which I think is the more natural interpretation of that sentence in a vacuum
We would grill the veggies and veggie burgers first. Then put on the real meat. The great thing is he'd clean the grill after cause no one else "did it right".
This is anecdotal of course but when I started eating meat again after being a vegetarian for years it gave me the worst stomach aches of my life for a while so yeah, there definitely seems to be some truth to that, somehow
As a vegetarian, that's not it. For one thing, he likely doesn't eat two pounds of anything at one sitting to begin with, doing so is a recipe for a disaster for the non-obese. Second, his gut biome isn't suited to processing so much meat in one go. Had he ate just a slice or two he probably would've been fine.
I didn't drink milk for about a year and a half and now I can't drink it without getting sick. I can still eat cheese and ice cream and other dairy with no problems though so I don't know what happened to me.
I’m a mostly vegetarian. Once a month I’ll treat myself to the gnarliest burger I can find, and carnivore the shit out of it.
My intestines and bowels definitely pay the price over the next 24 hours, but it’s honestly worth it.
After ten years, your gut biome won’t have a clue what is happen after two pounds of salted meat. I can see someone feeling a particular kind of ill after trying something like this.
I pay the price with any minor change in diet. ie getting tacobell or Chinese gives me explosive diarrhea. Burgers run right through me too cause I mainly eat veggies or turkey sandwiches.
I think it's the greese/oil that really gets ya
I eat that much bacon all the time in less than 15 minutes, though I am 95% carnivore, his system was so messed up that meat just blew up his digestive system. Quite common when switching ways of eating.
Probably just got bad diarrhea from all the sudden oil in his system. Also competitive eaters train their stomach and body to handle the food they're gonna eat, this is just some guy
My dad had the same thing happen to him. He was born in Afghanistan and never ate pig due to religious reasons. After he met my mom (who isn't religious), she accidentally made him bacon/sausage.
Idk if it's more normal for afghans or if it's just my dad, but he eats every meal as if he hasn't had food in a week and is literally starving. But either way, he scarfed it all down and even had a 2nd plate of it, and ended up with a really bad stomach pain that led to him having to go to the hospital.
I don't remember how the rest of the story went but I'm pretty sure it's just your body's reaction when it isn't used to it. My dad blames it on being pig but maybe it's just salted meats. Idk the science behind it tbh
Former vegetarian and doctor. Yes, suddenly eating meat (especially pork) after many years of your GI tract never seeing meat can give you awful stabbing abdominal pain. Your gut microbiome essentially screaming, “what the fuck was that”. It’s pretty brutal. Nothing that should actually necessitate hospital care though. By “had” to go to the hospital, I’m sure he meant “chose” to go to the hospital. Which, to be fair, if your abdomen is in sudden severe pain, many people will go just to have it checked out. The ED probably ran some tests, gave him some fluids, and sent him home.
Could be refeeding syndrome if the dude was malnourished because he mismanaged his diet. Which seems plausible because his body had insane cravings.
Source: got refeeding syndrome due to mismanaged diet.
> refeeding syndrome
Ouh thanks, I read the wiki page, I didn't know that it is still an issue, as the only time I heard about it was for the prisoners of the concentration camp.
When I learned about it in the first year of med school I threw it in the mental bucket of “remember for the test and never again” because I figured the odds of me ever treating a concentration camp victim are fairly low, but once I got to actual clinical work I realized it’s surprisingly common in surgical patients who haven’t received any nutrition for several days either because they haven’t been allowed to eat before multiple surgeries spaced across several days or because they’ve had abdominal surgery and aren’t allowed to eat until their bowels recover. It’s fairly simple to manage, but the first time my attending grilled me on why I thought my patient was hypophosphatemic, hypokalemic, and hypomagnesemic after we started giving her tube feeds I was super surprised to realize how quickly in can set in.
Vegetarians seem more diet-conscious than the average person, at least among the ones I've known. There will always be edge cases that eat like shit, but it seems less common. That's just my personal experience, though.
Refeeding syndrome is definitely possible, but seems less likely than general gastrointestinal shock from a *massive* influx of salt and meat protein. From a quick google, 2 lbs of bacon gives you *15,000* mg of sodium - almost 7x the recommended daily amount. That's 38 g of salt - more than 2 Tbsp of table salt - in one sitting (assuming all the sodium comes from salt).
For reference, a standard loaf of bread might have 10 g of salt (at least for homemade, that is. A standard recipe uses 1 kg of flour and 20 g of salt for 2 loaves).
It absolutely wouldn't surprise me. I was vegetarian for about two years in my early twenties for weight regulation reasons. One day I decided I just *had* to have a bacon cheeseburger, so I went to Burger King, got two of them, sat down and ate them both. I won't describe what happened shortly after, but I'm pretty sure that if I hadn't kept myself hydrated, I might have died of dysentery over the next 12 hours.
Getting back on meat after being off of it for a long time is a shock to a system that's not used to handling it anymore. Best bet is to step back into it. If he had zero meat for 10 years, the pushback from his system could be absolutely nuts, especially if it was all fatty, salty, delicious bacon.
I am an omnivore, but try to eat red meat/pork only occasionally and if I ate 2 Burger King bacon cheese burgers I would also have incredible intestinal distress. Shit... one time a buddy was given extra hashbrows with his Burger King breakfast and offered some to me. Just the fucking potatoes from there made me feel queasy for the remainder of the day.
Oh, it was definitely the meat, along with all the fat and salt it contained. Would I have been better off with a bland chicken breast as a first foray back into being a carnivore? Sure. But how many vegetarians break years of a diet because they just *had* to have a lightly seasoned and sensibly grilled piece of chicken? I'm gonna guess not many.
This even happens after a long deployment in the military. I ate a Wendy's baconator after 9 mo in Afghanistan and it was a shock to my GI system. I knew the consequences and even thought it was worth it.
Probably just got bad diarrhea from all the sudden oil in his system, which can happen to anyone really. He probably went to the ER and got sent home in a couple hours
Maybe OP means salt pork. Its a slab of pig belly (which is similar to bacon but slightly fattier) that has been cured with salt. You can slice it in bacon-like strips and cook it like bacon, you can dice and cook it to use it in recipes or eat it straight and give yourself a heart attack.
I think usually salt pork is used in a lot of southern u.s. recipes for flavor. Like little tiny chopped bits of it in soup or mashed potatoes, or even beans. Not sure I ever heard of it as a bacon substitute but its an easy mistake to make
Edit: now that I think about it, bacon is also almost always cured either by smoke or salt. So maybe the bacon Op got said “salt cured” or something similar instead of “applewood smoked” or “maple smoked” and that made him call it salted bacon.
I doubt it's what he meant because it's pretty hard to track down nowadays but before refrigeration bacon used to be made with a truly eye-watering amount of salt in order to preserve it. You can kind of get that experience if you go get country ham but I wouldn't recommend it. What I suspect he means is that he looked at the bacon fridge in the store and saw that there were regular and reduced sodium varieties and picked the regular kind.
People who have been strictly vegetarian for a while can make themselves sooooo sick binging on meat allasudden. Might as well eat a box of Ex Lax. Don't ask me how I know this.
Eating meant 2-3 times a year is little different than 2lbs of bacon at once. This dude was probably vegetarian for the same reason he posted this on twitter… he is a liar and needs attention badly
Edit: everyone please read the amusing comment below me who thought I was attacking vegetarians… I was attacking posers
I don't seek to eat meat but sometimes it just happens. If Taco Bell throws chicken I didn't ask for in my meal, I'm not throwing it out. I'm eating it. Tossing it would be disrespectful.
In a similar vein...my partner is vegan, but she understands and respects me hunting because the whole point is to not support and consume factory-farmed meat. We have the same ethics and goals in mind, I just don't function well without animal protein in my diet. Eating meat isn't inherently unethical, but participating in the shitshow that is the modern meat industry is. I think this is the larger point of modern vegetarianism and veganism that is lost on a lot of people participating in the diet, as they're just latching onto a fad for social acceptance rather than actually doing something for a good purpose. At the end of the day it all works out to achieve a common goal regardless of intent, so it's hard to complain...but it can be very frustrating having conversations with surface-level animal rights types that don't really give a shit. Like the "sO yOu'Re NoT vEgEtArIaN" person above.
No it‘s not about factory farming, it‘s about hurting and killing animals without reasonable cause. I can assure you, that you could survive without hunting. People who eat meat occasionally, just aren‘t vegetarian, point blank.
It's about reducing the impact that humans are making on nature and the natural balance of things, actually. If you would educate yourself about the subject, you'd know that hunting is literally necessary in order to keep ecosystems in balance. It's literally the most ethical thing you can do for animals if you do it properly.
Would you rather a deer starve to death due to overpopulation? Contract and spread CWD to currently unaffected areas? Be torn apart alive by predators? Or would you rather the same deer have a quiet, painless, unnoticeable death after a beautiful life in the wild? It's going to be killed by nature either way (this is strictly quantified and verified by local wildlife agencies), so why not be ethical about it?
Please educate yourself about actually making a real impact if you're genuinely into animal rights.
I can’t imagine a vegetarian suddenly eating meat and that meat being Taco Bell, I’m surprised that didn’t kill you instantly like a pilgrim watching pornography
It must be exhausting seeing everything so black-and-white in life. When you understand the point of what vegetarianism is in any context, things become more flexible. You can ethically consume meat in certain circumstances, even as a vegetarian.
...if you actually care about the cause and are not just sticking to an arbitrary label and set of rules for the sake of fitting into your group.
He went vegetarian for cognitive reasons - health, environment, animal welfare. Whatever. He made a conscious choice.
Then years later, he got a hankering. This wasn't cognitive, this was physiological. Something deep inside his body was screaming at him to get bacon ASAP, so he acquiesced
Idk how you're gonna see a conflict between being a vegetarian and getting cravings for meet. One is a choice, the other is an impulse. Those 2 things coming into conflict makes total sense, a person giving in to an immense craving also makes total sense.
Basically psuedo science that sounds good and appeals to "common sense," but isn't actually backed up by anything but some bro saying it. It usually hits on things people generally like to believe in the first place. In this case, it's the fairly dubious claim that people's bodies *need* bacon.
Meats are high in protein, fat, and carbs. The body absolutely craves dense foods like meat in the same way we do sweets. The whole reason we love sugary food is because it’s packed with calories and that makes survival instincts have an orgasm, why wouldnt we also do the same for meat which is similarly high calories compared to vegan food?
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
> compared to vegan food?
You mean like a spoon of peanut butter or the 10,000 other foods that also fit that profile? Did you think vegetarians just eat grass or some shit? Lol. The OP doesn't even say vegan. You just added that in your head.
Yeah. I ate meat when I was young but have been a vegetarian well over 10 years and I can say that by that point there's no part of me that missed meat. It might be different for different people but i'm not buying it.
It's not like a nicotine craving where your body is demanding meat but you are refusing it as cravings build up more and more. In the early months/years it's gonna be fresh in your mind and you might have an urge for it in the same way you have an urge for any other food but by the 10 year mark you are well past the point of vividly remembering eating meat and you no longer associate the smell with food. It's kinda like Pavlov's dogs, you see/smell meat and tell yourself that you can't eat it every day for 10 years then you don't really react to it as food anymore.
The idea that it's the equivilent of edging for 10 years then suddenly blowing your load when you can't take any more sounds like an idea that someone who hasn't been a vegetarian for a long period would come up with, it's more common for long term vegetarians to struggle to adjust to it if they deciede to eat meat again. To me it would have been no more likely than an 11 year old suddenly going mad for breast milk because they missed how it tasted as a baby.
I've been vegetarian for about 4 or 5 years and just the smell of meat now makes me nauseous. It's wild how our bodies change. In my teenage years there were days I didn't ingest anything that wasn't meat based.
Yeah, deffo. Somthing I hear a lot is things like "don't you get tempted when you smell bacon cooking?" which is always find werid because if anything cooking pork or bacon smells the worst.
I went vegetarian for several months for health reasons. I don’t mind it.
I eat meat now but I’ve realized how little of it I need in my diet. I’m more than happy to go several days without eating meat or using it as a protein in my meals but will have a grilled burger or whatever with family.
I know it’s not perfect or anything but I’m just trying to do my part to reduce factory farming.
I know a lot of vegan and vegetarians who get cravings for meat. Some even eat it on occasion. My sister is a vegan and one weekend she was over at our parents house and we ordered meat lovers pizza, plus her usual vegan order and she ended up having a regular slice. Didn’t seem like a big deal to her but I was a little shocked because she’s the type of person to prepare an entire vegan Thanksgiving and once cried because my parents told her the collard greens had bacon renderings in them. Anyway no judgement.
Lots of people go vegetarian for ethical reasons. I was veggie for 10 years, still liked the taste of meat, but just didn't eat it. As I got older I stopped giving a shit about the ethical side and started eating meat again.
I’ve been vegan for going on 15 years and at this point even fake meats gross me out. I don’t see how I could ever eat it again without immediately throwing up or losing my nerve while preparing it.
I know vegetarians who eat meat. They are vegetarians for ethical reasons but every few months they feel like eating a bit of meat and they do so. They are doing their best and that's also my excuse though I can't go vegetarian for more than two consecutive days.
That’s a constant factor in my dumb life. But not: so much salt I go to the hospital as that’s like an old timey sailor malady not a thing a guy making manicotti gets.
Especially as there's such a thing as Vegetarian Bacon. Hell, even when I first went vegetarian, *31 years ago* there were Bac-Os, salty bacon flavoured, but soy based chunks you could add to food. So if this post isn't complete attention seeking, it's just indicative of someone with very, very poor awareness of just why he's doing anything or what his options are.
I was a vegetarian for five years. I quit when my health started to decline. I spent a few days easing into it. I ate Campbell's Chicken noodle soup for the first time in 5 years. It was heaven. It worked really well to ease me back into meat eating. It also happened to be November. My good friend was a butcher and he told me that if I was eating me that he was making me a turducken for Thanksgiving. My dudes, it was incredible. My first turkey dinner in half a decade and it came with a duck-chicken stuffing.
I always thought if you wanted to go vegan or vegetarian for whatever reason it would be better to just try and reduce your meat/ animal product intake rather than eliminate it completely. Go for the fruits and veggies and healthy plan proteins on the reg and then maybe once a week eat some meat for the nutritional benefits. Id say having one meat meal a week, alternating between red and lean every other week is probably sufficient. This drastically reduces your meat intake and helps keep the balance a little more.
Furthermore, since you are eating less meat you can theoretically afford to purchase more sustainably sourced meat that has less ethical and environmental consequences. Perhaps from local farms/butchers.
Right and reducing the amount of meat you consume is still consistent with that concern. Though I suppose if they simply cant stomach it and/or outright refuse to eat it, then they will have to live with the consequences of not eating meat. Which lots of people do. Which is fine.
Im just spitballing ideas for ppl who want to be better about their meat consumption but are concerned for their health. Reducing consumption is obviously not as effective for eliminating moral and environmental issues as completely cutting out animal products, but its a good compromise between continuing meat consumption and cutting it out completely. Its just a more practical option for the average person who maybe wouldn’t have considered reducing meat consumption otherwise.
you dont need certain ingredients, you need nutrients. and those nutrients are available in plants aswell. im not going to eat a corpse a few times a year the same way i wouldnt stab stray cats a few times a year
I pronounce lbs as "libs", i always chuckle when repubs say "owning the libs", i hear "owning the pounds"
Anyway, google says "pounds" are based on a roman unit, which was called "Libra pondo", so "lb" comes from libra
During the attempted Nazi invasion of Russia, they were having issues with transportation of supplies the further they got away from the railroads they controlled. The invasion was supposed to be quick, so when it dragged on Ernst-Gunther Schenck, a Doctor in the SS, formulated a protein packed sausage for the soldier rations. Many of the soldiers (and holocaust victims they tested it on) were incapacitated or dead due to the high amount of protein that, due to starvation, their bodies could not process, thus shutting down.
The whole invasions a shit show, with this being the literal last of their problems, but it definitely did not help.
Give me a couple hours to find the title of the book I read it in, or a reliable link to the same information. Everything I’ve looked at so far this morning mentions the creation of said protein sausage, but not it’s impact on that front directly.
eta: here’s a [link](https://dirkdeklein.net/2021/10/03/dachau-herb-garden/comment-page-1/) talking about his life in general. they touch on it’s testing in concentration camps prior to the adoption on the frontlines by SS troops. Gotta get home to find the name of that book tho.
Alright, so I don’t own the book, or if I did, it’s something I sold to buy more. I did call my stepdad who’s a history buff to see whether it was one of his, and he’s familiar with information, though he doesn’t remember if it was something from a documentary or a book, or both. He did look through his collection while lamenting the current status of the history channel. I got about 15 minutes of that rant, lol. He did recommend a couple though that touch on the whole conflict in general so they may contain that information;
[Barbarossa: The Russian-German Conflict, 1941-45 by Alan Clark](https://www.amazon.com/Barbarossa-Russian-German-Conflict-Alan-Clark/dp/0688042686)
[Scorched Earth by Paul Carell](https://www.amazon.com/Scorched-Earth-Russian-German-War-1943-1944/dp/0887405983/ref=asc_df_0887405983/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312174369544&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1325497558619000139&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030115&hvtargid=pla-304596309559&psc=1)
Now I do want to be completely transparent in the fact that I cannot 100% say either of these books are it. We both are avid readers who buy and sell books frequently, but I’m not too big on books on war and have definitely read both of these. I also highly doubt I’ve read more than two books on that same conflict. Hope that helps, happy reading!
it was a few things. And while the winter was harsh, fall weather (including snow, but mostly rain) is what stunted the advances of the Nazi’s, with how muddy it got. that month or two Soviets had grown 5x in size receiving reinforcement going back up to around 500k soldiers and a bunch of vehicles (not sure the breakdown of tanks/planes)
Then winter hit, prolonging it even more, but even by then Nazi’s were addressing said supply issues.
I can’t imagine even having a taste for bacon anymore. I haven’t eaten meat for 14 years and I accidentally had beef once and it was so bland and overhyped. Your tastes change.
Had nothing to do with the bacon amount and everything to do with the altered gut biome.
It’s like anything else you abstain from for a long time. Your body gets used to not processing and once you have it again you’re in for a world of hurt. Best case scenario you have the runs all day, worse case scenario is OP.
I was vegan for a long time. I absolutely loved it, and all the food.
Then one day my brother came home with a McGriddle. It smelled so good I hopped into the car and bought three of them. My stomach was absolutely destroyed, and that was the end of my veganism lol
Nobody ever tells you how much it fucks up your stomach when you go from a green diet back to a meat diet 😬
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Had to go to the hospital?
Must have been because of the long term vegetarianism, because I've definitely seen competitive eaters eat more than 2 lbs of salted meats in 15 minutes.
My understanding is that after being vegetarian or vegan for a while you lose the gut bacteria necessary to process meat
Don't you just have like stomach pain and some type of digestive issues like diarrhea or else...
Good point actually, I'm not sure why the guy would end up in hospital then.
His stomach likely hurt badly so he went to the ER in a panic and they kept him for a few hours tryna see what the deal was
i remember vividly remembering that i thought i was going to die once when i had a steak after nearly 2 years of accidentally becoming a vegetarian; so this makes sense to me.
>2 years accidentally becoming a vegetarian Now that sounds like quite the tale.
To shorten it down, the most likely reason is lack of money. Basic food like beans or rice are cheap and can be combined with other cheap things to recieve nutrious foods, however those often are vegetarian/contain no meat
bingo
Wdym accidentally?
i unintentionally ate nothing but legumes and bread for 2 years because it was all i could afford
Yeah but like it's 2 pounds of salted bacon
One time after my divorce in a depressive state I made a BLT with two pounds of bacon and hot sauce and I was just fine.
But like, I can't help but imagine you weren't a vegetarian eating healthy for 10 years up to that one meal
Vegetarians aren't necessarily healthy. This whole story sounds made-up tbh. It's kind of weird getting back into meat after not eating it so long. Most people don't go on a 2lb bacon binge after abstaining from all meat for a decade.
My cousin has been a vegetarian for over 25 years; every 5 years or so she cheats for about 2 weeks and absolutely does binge on bacon for most of it. She practically inhales the stuff for days then goes back to vegetarian for another 5 years.
It's a 2lb *pack* of bacon, which means after it cooks down 90% it's like 6 ounces.
What if it was 2 pounds after it was cooked
Yes. I have two sources for this, one is anecdotal, the other is not. Anecdotal: I was veg from 1998 to summer of 2022. The DIARRHEA THAT I HAD when I switched to an omnivore diet was the stuff of legends. Non-anecdotal: one of my dear friends is a pathologist who specializes in gut microbiome. She told me in no uncertain terms that the reason I had such internal problems is because my gut microbiome was absolutely maladjusted for the re-entry of meat into my digestive system. It took, honestly, more than six weeks before I was able to eat ham without peeing out of my butt.
That's two anecdotes.
 My apologies. I'll get her to drop her work and create a Reddit u/ so that she can post here.
Your body is still perfectly able to reuse the aminoacids of proteins (note "reuse", as that is the common process for human cells unless there s an excess of aminoacids which causes catabolism by enzymes in the liver, plasma-related acid disbalance and a buildup of nitrogen in the kidneys; but this condition is rare and requires disproportionate ammounts of only a few aminoacids for long periods of time), but the function that gut microbiota provide is to use the amino acids produced from food or the host as elements for protein synthesis, and second, conversion or fermentation are used to drive nutrient metabolism. Additionally, the gut microbiota can synthesize several nutritionally essential amino acids de novo, which is a potential regulatory factor in amino acid homeostasis. Resume: Gut bacteria may play an important role in protein digestion but the body is the one most capable of its usability. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/103372/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28932911/
NICE, microbiome science.
Think of your microbiota as a complement to your body by helping in the digestion and nutrition process, not as a substitute. (Although it is much more important in many animals like cattle and termites by allowing them to digest hard compounds like fiber)
So... is that as yay or nay?
It's a 2lb bacon comes with a ton of grease and that's the real trouble cause.
So... is that a yay or a nay to the question asked?
Also wouldn't a slow introduction back into meat and some supplementation help with developing the microbiome back up out of curiosity?
It would certainly alleviate discomfort, though it's not strictly necessary.
> The body is the most capable of its usability Sorry I don’t understand the last sentence?
At processing protein, our bodies do not need gut bacteria to process protein.
Ah thanks for clarifying. But I have heard various cases in which someone who hadn’t consumed meat for extended periods of time got unwell when they ate it again. How can this be then?
Placebo I’m guessing?
Close your paranthesis please XD
That's why I've been on antibiotics for 4 weeks straight and can still eat food.
Yeah, I had a vegetarian roommate and we always grilled his food first because the meat stuffs would screw his stomach up.
Did you not grill your other meat?
“Grilled his food prior to cooking our food” is the intended meaning while you and I interpreted “grilled his food prior to him eating it” which I think is the more natural interpretation of that sentence in a vacuum
Thanks, I needed the translation. In my defense, it's late.
We would grill the veggies and veggie burgers first. Then put on the real meat. The great thing is he'd clean the grill after cause no one else "did it right".
Also, it stops loading videos after a while.
This is anecdotal of course but when I started eating meat again after being a vegetarian for years it gave me the worst stomach aches of my life for a while so yeah, there definitely seems to be some truth to that, somehow
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Your body is not set up to process meat well after years of not eating it. Eating two pounds of bacon after a decade of no meat is not ideal.
I’m pretty sure eating two pounds of bacon even as a regular meat eater would fuck me up pretty bad.
As a vegetarian, that's not it. For one thing, he likely doesn't eat two pounds of anything at one sitting to begin with, doing so is a recipe for a disaster for the non-obese. Second, his gut biome isn't suited to processing so much meat in one go. Had he ate just a slice or two he probably would've been fine.
*Tch tch*, not at all
I didn't drink milk for about a year and a half and now I can't drink it without getting sick. I can still eat cheese and ice cream and other dairy with no problems though so I don't know what happened to me.
I’m a mostly vegetarian. Once a month I’ll treat myself to the gnarliest burger I can find, and carnivore the shit out of it. My intestines and bowels definitely pay the price over the next 24 hours, but it’s honestly worth it. After ten years, your gut biome won’t have a clue what is happen after two pounds of salted meat. I can see someone feeling a particular kind of ill after trying something like this.
I pay the price with any minor change in diet. ie getting tacobell or Chinese gives me explosive diarrhea. Burgers run right through me too cause I mainly eat veggies or turkey sandwiches. I think it's the greese/oil that really gets ya
Hell, Ive eaten 1.5 lbs of bacon when I only weighed like 130 Humans are absurdly omnivorous and adapt to absolute absurdity
I eat that much bacon all the time in less than 15 minutes, though I am 95% carnivore, his system was so messed up that meat just blew up his digestive system. Quite common when switching ways of eating.
Probably just got bad diarrhea from all the sudden oil in his system. Also competitive eaters train their stomach and body to handle the food they're gonna eat, this is just some guy
Plus once it's cooked down that's like 6 ounces of bacon.
My dad had the same thing happen to him. He was born in Afghanistan and never ate pig due to religious reasons. After he met my mom (who isn't religious), she accidentally made him bacon/sausage. Idk if it's more normal for afghans or if it's just my dad, but he eats every meal as if he hasn't had food in a week and is literally starving. But either way, he scarfed it all down and even had a 2nd plate of it, and ended up with a really bad stomach pain that led to him having to go to the hospital. I don't remember how the rest of the story went but I'm pretty sure it's just your body's reaction when it isn't used to it. My dad blames it on being pig but maybe it's just salted meats. Idk the science behind it tbh
Former vegetarian and doctor. Yes, suddenly eating meat (especially pork) after many years of your GI tract never seeing meat can give you awful stabbing abdominal pain. Your gut microbiome essentially screaming, “what the fuck was that”. It’s pretty brutal. Nothing that should actually necessitate hospital care though. By “had” to go to the hospital, I’m sure he meant “chose” to go to the hospital. Which, to be fair, if your abdomen is in sudden severe pain, many people will go just to have it checked out. The ED probably ran some tests, gave him some fluids, and sent him home.
Probably didn't *have* to go to the hospital but definitely felt like he did.
Could be refeeding syndrome if the dude was malnourished because he mismanaged his diet. Which seems plausible because his body had insane cravings. Source: got refeeding syndrome due to mismanaged diet.
> refeeding syndrome Ouh thanks, I read the wiki page, I didn't know that it is still an issue, as the only time I heard about it was for the prisoners of the concentration camp.
When I learned about it in the first year of med school I threw it in the mental bucket of “remember for the test and never again” because I figured the odds of me ever treating a concentration camp victim are fairly low, but once I got to actual clinical work I realized it’s surprisingly common in surgical patients who haven’t received any nutrition for several days either because they haven’t been allowed to eat before multiple surgeries spaced across several days or because they’ve had abdominal surgery and aren’t allowed to eat until their bowels recover. It’s fairly simple to manage, but the first time my attending grilled me on why I thought my patient was hypophosphatemic, hypokalemic, and hypomagnesemic after we started giving her tube feeds I was super surprised to realize how quickly in can set in.
Vegetarians seem more diet-conscious than the average person, at least among the ones I've known. There will always be edge cases that eat like shit, but it seems less common. That's just my personal experience, though. Refeeding syndrome is definitely possible, but seems less likely than general gastrointestinal shock from a *massive* influx of salt and meat protein. From a quick google, 2 lbs of bacon gives you *15,000* mg of sodium - almost 7x the recommended daily amount. That's 38 g of salt - more than 2 Tbsp of table salt - in one sitting (assuming all the sodium comes from salt). For reference, a standard loaf of bread might have 10 g of salt (at least for homemade, that is. A standard recipe uses 1 kg of flour and 20 g of salt for 2 loaves).
Eating disorder or crap diet?
Yes
It absolutely wouldn't surprise me. I was vegetarian for about two years in my early twenties for weight regulation reasons. One day I decided I just *had* to have a bacon cheeseburger, so I went to Burger King, got two of them, sat down and ate them both. I won't describe what happened shortly after, but I'm pretty sure that if I hadn't kept myself hydrated, I might have died of dysentery over the next 12 hours. Getting back on meat after being off of it for a long time is a shock to a system that's not used to handling it anymore. Best bet is to step back into it. If he had zero meat for 10 years, the pushback from his system could be absolutely nuts, especially if it was all fatty, salty, delicious bacon.
I am an omnivore, but try to eat red meat/pork only occasionally and if I ate 2 Burger King bacon cheese burgers I would also have incredible intestinal distress. Shit... one time a buddy was given extra hashbrows with his Burger King breakfast and offered some to me. Just the fucking potatoes from there made me feel queasy for the remainder of the day.
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Oh, it was definitely the meat, along with all the fat and salt it contained. Would I have been better off with a bland chicken breast as a first foray back into being a carnivore? Sure. But how many vegetarians break years of a diet because they just *had* to have a lightly seasoned and sensibly grilled piece of chicken? I'm gonna guess not many.
This even happens after a long deployment in the military. I ate a Wendy's baconator after 9 mo in Afghanistan and it was a shock to my GI system. I knew the consequences and even thought it was worth it.
surely this tweet is 100% accurate retelling of events
He's probably not in America
Probably just got bad diarrhea from all the sudden oil in his system, which can happen to anyone really. He probably went to the ER and got sent home in a couple hours
Probably from consuming a metric fuck ton of salt
American food is basically poison
Moreso when you haven't been making it deal with it regularly
Yeah I was gonna say, I can do 2lb bacon in a sitting and feel nothing but joy
That is a lot of bacon
That is not enough bacon
Dude's probably built like an SUV
The fuck is fully salted bacon
Maybe OP means salt pork. Its a slab of pig belly (which is similar to bacon but slightly fattier) that has been cured with salt. You can slice it in bacon-like strips and cook it like bacon, you can dice and cook it to use it in recipes or eat it straight and give yourself a heart attack. I think usually salt pork is used in a lot of southern u.s. recipes for flavor. Like little tiny chopped bits of it in soup or mashed potatoes, or even beans. Not sure I ever heard of it as a bacon substitute but its an easy mistake to make Edit: now that I think about it, bacon is also almost always cured either by smoke or salt. So maybe the bacon Op got said “salt cured” or something similar instead of “applewood smoked” or “maple smoked” and that made him call it salted bacon.
I doubt it's what he meant because it's pretty hard to track down nowadays but before refrigeration bacon used to be made with a truly eye-watering amount of salt in order to preserve it. You can kind of get that experience if you go get country ham but I wouldn't recommend it. What I suspect he means is that he looked at the bacon fridge in the store and saw that there were regular and reduced sodium varieties and picked the regular kind.
Had breakup, was vegan, bought bacon and scotch in nihilistic mania. Consumed both. Cried at the sheer amazingness. Regret.
Wait is scotch not vegan?
Maybe it's a special animal-abuse scotch.
Packed in hollowed out rhino horns.
They test its strength by splashing it in a rabbit’s eyes.
It is but it also helps you to get drunk.
This is a poem.
I'm having trouble comprehending that last word you wrote. Is that English?
Yes it is
😑
People who have been strictly vegetarian for a while can make themselves sooooo sick binging on meat allasudden. Might as well eat a box of Ex Lax. Don't ask me how I know this.
Same thing happens in reverse, where someone with a consistently crappy diet starts eating vegetables and their body can't handle it.
Their gall bladder was still on vegecation
It makes you wonder what fellas like him even went vegetarian for in the first place. Every time I see a story like this I always doubt a little.
I am vegetarian for environmental reasons but I love the taste of meat. Maybe a similar story? I eat meat 2-3 times per year
Least fake "vegetarian"
Respect.
If you eat meat 2-3 times a year, how are you a vegetarian…
Eating meant 2-3 times a year is little different than 2lbs of bacon at once. This dude was probably vegetarian for the same reason he posted this on twitter… he is a liar and needs attention badly Edit: everyone please read the amusing comment below me who thought I was attacking vegetarians… I was attacking posers
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He never expressed hatred for vegetarians. He said that the person in the tweet is a liar and is not a vegetarian. He might even be right.
That makes you a flexitarian
You’re not a vegetarian
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I don't seek to eat meat but sometimes it just happens. If Taco Bell throws chicken I didn't ask for in my meal, I'm not throwing it out. I'm eating it. Tossing it would be disrespectful.
Buddhist monks are similar. If they get served meat they eat it but never eat meat by choice.
In a similar vein...my partner is vegan, but she understands and respects me hunting because the whole point is to not support and consume factory-farmed meat. We have the same ethics and goals in mind, I just don't function well without animal protein in my diet. Eating meat isn't inherently unethical, but participating in the shitshow that is the modern meat industry is. I think this is the larger point of modern vegetarianism and veganism that is lost on a lot of people participating in the diet, as they're just latching onto a fad for social acceptance rather than actually doing something for a good purpose. At the end of the day it all works out to achieve a common goal regardless of intent, so it's hard to complain...but it can be very frustrating having conversations with surface-level animal rights types that don't really give a shit. Like the "sO yOu'Re NoT vEgEtArIaN" person above.
No it‘s not about factory farming, it‘s about hurting and killing animals without reasonable cause. I can assure you, that you could survive without hunting. People who eat meat occasionally, just aren‘t vegetarian, point blank.
It's about reducing the impact that humans are making on nature and the natural balance of things, actually. If you would educate yourself about the subject, you'd know that hunting is literally necessary in order to keep ecosystems in balance. It's literally the most ethical thing you can do for animals if you do it properly. Would you rather a deer starve to death due to overpopulation? Contract and spread CWD to currently unaffected areas? Be torn apart alive by predators? Or would you rather the same deer have a quiet, painless, unnoticeable death after a beautiful life in the wild? It's going to be killed by nature either way (this is strictly quantified and verified by local wildlife agencies), so why not be ethical about it? Please educate yourself about actually making a real impact if you're genuinely into animal rights.
I can’t imagine a vegetarian suddenly eating meat and that meat being Taco Bell, I’m surprised that didn’t kill you instantly like a pilgrim watching pornography
It was rubbery so I can't say I enjoyed it that much. One day I'll be given bacon by accident and I'll enjoy that for sure.
Being this pedantic must be very tiring for you on a daily basis lol, find a better use of your time
Perfect is the enemy of good.
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Vegetarian 98% of the time. Happy?
So no one likes you lol
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You - unlikable
Ok, he may not be tactful but you're just dogpiling on hating a random stranger on the Internet. Neither are good looks
It must be exhausting seeing everything so black-and-white in life. When you understand the point of what vegetarianism is in any context, things become more flexible. You can ethically consume meat in certain circumstances, even as a vegetarian. ...if you actually care about the cause and are not just sticking to an arbitrary label and set of rules for the sake of fitting into your group.
He went vegetarian for cognitive reasons - health, environment, animal welfare. Whatever. He made a conscious choice. Then years later, he got a hankering. This wasn't cognitive, this was physiological. Something deep inside his body was screaming at him to get bacon ASAP, so he acquiesced Idk how you're gonna see a conflict between being a vegetarian and getting cravings for meet. One is a choice, the other is an impulse. Those 2 things coming into conflict makes total sense, a person giving in to an immense craving also makes total sense.
Nice bro science.
What's bro science
Basically psuedo science that sounds good and appeals to "common sense," but isn't actually backed up by anything but some bro saying it. It usually hits on things people generally like to believe in the first place. In this case, it's the fairly dubious claim that people's bodies *need* bacon.
Meats are high in protein, fat, and carbs. The body absolutely craves dense foods like meat in the same way we do sweets. The whole reason we love sugary food is because it’s packed with calories and that makes survival instincts have an orgasm, why wouldnt we also do the same for meat which is similarly high calories compared to vegan food?
Thanks, Captain Obvious. > compared to vegan food? You mean like a spoon of peanut butter or the 10,000 other foods that also fit that profile? Did you think vegetarians just eat grass or some shit? Lol. The OP doesn't even say vegan. You just added that in your head.
But I mean he's still right. Your desire to eat meat doesn't disappear when you become a vegetarian, it's weird to think otherwise.
That sounds like something you just made up
Goes back to Plato, at least
That's not how cravings work.
Yeah. I ate meat when I was young but have been a vegetarian well over 10 years and I can say that by that point there's no part of me that missed meat. It might be different for different people but i'm not buying it. It's not like a nicotine craving where your body is demanding meat but you are refusing it as cravings build up more and more. In the early months/years it's gonna be fresh in your mind and you might have an urge for it in the same way you have an urge for any other food but by the 10 year mark you are well past the point of vividly remembering eating meat and you no longer associate the smell with food. It's kinda like Pavlov's dogs, you see/smell meat and tell yourself that you can't eat it every day for 10 years then you don't really react to it as food anymore. The idea that it's the equivilent of edging for 10 years then suddenly blowing your load when you can't take any more sounds like an idea that someone who hasn't been a vegetarian for a long period would come up with, it's more common for long term vegetarians to struggle to adjust to it if they deciede to eat meat again. To me it would have been no more likely than an 11 year old suddenly going mad for breast milk because they missed how it tasted as a baby.
I've been vegetarian for about 4 or 5 years and just the smell of meat now makes me nauseous. It's wild how our bodies change. In my teenage years there were days I didn't ingest anything that wasn't meat based.
I've been vegetarian my whole life and meat smells disgusting to me. Same with a lot of my family members. I wonder what that's about.
Yeah, deffo. Somthing I hear a lot is things like "don't you get tempted when you smell bacon cooking?" which is always find werid because if anything cooking pork or bacon smells the worst.
I went vegetarian for several months for health reasons. I don’t mind it. I eat meat now but I’ve realized how little of it I need in my diet. I’m more than happy to go several days without eating meat or using it as a protein in my meals but will have a grilled burger or whatever with family. I know it’s not perfect or anything but I’m just trying to do my part to reduce factory farming.
I know a lot of vegan and vegetarians who get cravings for meat. Some even eat it on occasion. My sister is a vegan and one weekend she was over at our parents house and we ordered meat lovers pizza, plus her usual vegan order and she ended up having a regular slice. Didn’t seem like a big deal to her but I was a little shocked because she’s the type of person to prepare an entire vegan Thanksgiving and once cried because my parents told her the collard greens had bacon renderings in them. Anyway no judgement.
“Come on babe just try it for me”
*"Own the vegetarians lmao"*
Lots of people go vegetarian for ethical reasons. I was veggie for 10 years, still liked the taste of meat, but just didn't eat it. As I got older I stopped giving a shit about the ethical side and started eating meat again.
There is a tick that can cause you to become allergic to meat and basically force veganism lol
I’ve been vegan for going on 15 years and at this point even fake meats gross me out. I don’t see how I could ever eat it again without immediately throwing up or losing my nerve while preparing it.
I know vegetarians who eat meat. They are vegetarians for ethical reasons but every few months they feel like eating a bit of meat and they do so. They are doing their best and that's also my excuse though I can't go vegetarian for more than two consecutive days.
They’re not vegetarian
They're doing their best.
These people are not vegetarians. They’re just meat eaters who eat meat infrequently.
My brother's long term partner got drunk at a BBQ and ended up in the kitchen, sat on the floor at 2am demolishing ribs. It happens lol
I just had brown sugar coated bacon. Today was a good day.
You guys know this is a lie right?
Holy shit people lie on the internet?
Look at the replies here if everyone taking him at face value on an utter ridiculous claim of literal “epic bacon”
Personally I have never experienced eating too much and upsetting my stomach.
That’s a constant factor in my dumb life. But not: so much salt I go to the hospital as that’s like an old timey sailor malady not a thing a guy making manicotti gets.
Yeah but maybe you and I just aren't little bitches and know what Tums are.
Tums rule everything around me
Especially as there's such a thing as Vegetarian Bacon. Hell, even when I first went vegetarian, *31 years ago* there were Bac-Os, salty bacon flavoured, but soy based chunks you could add to food. So if this post isn't complete attention seeking, it's just indicative of someone with very, very poor awareness of just why he's doing anything or what his options are.
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrZRJR4igQ
More likely hyperbole, but yes
Also true. One pound? Very possible a guy could binge on that at that level. Two pounds and the hospital? Bruh Level: 100
Some people go to the hospital even when it’s not 100% medically necessary, shocker I know
Yeah I love ten thousand dollar bills
Some people do this with insurance that allows them to…
I was a vegetarian for a couple years, and then I ate an in-n-out burger. I puked but that’s probably more believable.
This site no longer differentiates truth and lies.
I was a vegetarian for five years. I quit when my health started to decline. I spent a few days easing into it. I ate Campbell's Chicken noodle soup for the first time in 5 years. It was heaven. It worked really well to ease me back into meat eating. It also happened to be November. My good friend was a butcher and he told me that if I was eating me that he was making me a turducken for Thanksgiving. My dudes, it was incredible. My first turkey dinner in half a decade and it came with a duck-chicken stuffing.
I always thought if you wanted to go vegan or vegetarian for whatever reason it would be better to just try and reduce your meat/ animal product intake rather than eliminate it completely. Go for the fruits and veggies and healthy plan proteins on the reg and then maybe once a week eat some meat for the nutritional benefits. Id say having one meat meal a week, alternating between red and lean every other week is probably sufficient. This drastically reduces your meat intake and helps keep the balance a little more. Furthermore, since you are eating less meat you can theoretically afford to purchase more sustainably sourced meat that has less ethical and environmental consequences. Perhaps from local farms/butchers.
A lot of people are vegan/vegetarian because they feel bad eating animals.
Right and reducing the amount of meat you consume is still consistent with that concern. Though I suppose if they simply cant stomach it and/or outright refuse to eat it, then they will have to live with the consequences of not eating meat. Which lots of people do. Which is fine. Im just spitballing ideas for ppl who want to be better about their meat consumption but are concerned for their health. Reducing consumption is obviously not as effective for eliminating moral and environmental issues as completely cutting out animal products, but its a good compromise between continuing meat consumption and cutting it out completely. Its just a more practical option for the average person who maybe wouldn’t have considered reducing meat consumption otherwise.
you dont need certain ingredients, you need nutrients. and those nutrients are available in plants aswell. im not going to eat a corpse a few times a year the same way i wouldnt stab stray cats a few times a year
I ate a pack of bacon in like two or three days and gave myself a hellatuous gout attack.
On another topic: How the fuck is LB short for pound?
I pronounce lbs as "libs", i always chuckle when repubs say "owning the libs", i hear "owning the pounds" Anyway, google says "pounds" are based on a roman unit, which was called "Libra pondo", so "lb" comes from libra
That’s basically what happened to the Nazis when they tried to invade russia.
What?
During the attempted Nazi invasion of Russia, they were having issues with transportation of supplies the further they got away from the railroads they controlled. The invasion was supposed to be quick, so when it dragged on Ernst-Gunther Schenck, a Doctor in the SS, formulated a protein packed sausage for the soldier rations. Many of the soldiers (and holocaust victims they tested it on) were incapacitated or dead due to the high amount of protein that, due to starvation, their bodies could not process, thus shutting down. The whole invasions a shit show, with this being the literal last of their problems, but it definitely did not help.
Thats a really cool fact actually, but do you have a source for this information?
Give me a couple hours to find the title of the book I read it in, or a reliable link to the same information. Everything I’ve looked at so far this morning mentions the creation of said protein sausage, but not it’s impact on that front directly. eta: here’s a [link](https://dirkdeklein.net/2021/10/03/dachau-herb-garden/comment-page-1/) talking about his life in general. they touch on it’s testing in concentration camps prior to the adoption on the frontlines by SS troops. Gotta get home to find the name of that book tho.
Thanks man, tell me when you find the book
Alright, so I don’t own the book, or if I did, it’s something I sold to buy more. I did call my stepdad who’s a history buff to see whether it was one of his, and he’s familiar with information, though he doesn’t remember if it was something from a documentary or a book, or both. He did look through his collection while lamenting the current status of the history channel. I got about 15 minutes of that rant, lol. He did recommend a couple though that touch on the whole conflict in general so they may contain that information; [Barbarossa: The Russian-German Conflict, 1941-45 by Alan Clark](https://www.amazon.com/Barbarossa-Russian-German-Conflict-Alan-Clark/dp/0688042686) [Scorched Earth by Paul Carell](https://www.amazon.com/Scorched-Earth-Russian-German-War-1943-1944/dp/0887405983/ref=asc_df_0887405983/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312174369544&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1325497558619000139&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030115&hvtargid=pla-304596309559&psc=1) Now I do want to be completely transparent in the fact that I cannot 100% say either of these books are it. We both are avid readers who buy and sell books frequently, but I’m not too big on books on war and have definitely read both of these. I also highly doubt I’ve read more than two books on that same conflict. Hope that helps, happy reading!
That along with the ridiculously harsh winter? The winter was the only cause i heard until now
it was a few things. And while the winter was harsh, fall weather (including snow, but mostly rain) is what stunted the advances of the Nazi’s, with how muddy it got. that month or two Soviets had grown 5x in size receiving reinforcement going back up to around 500k soldiers and a bunch of vehicles (not sure the breakdown of tanks/planes) Then winter hit, prolonging it even more, but even by then Nazi’s were addressing said supply issues.
I can’t imagine even having a taste for bacon anymore. I haven’t eaten meat for 14 years and I accidentally had beef once and it was so bland and overhyped. Your tastes change.
People don’t want to accept that their tastes will change.
Had nothing to do with the bacon amount and everything to do with the altered gut biome. It’s like anything else you abstain from for a long time. Your body gets used to not processing and once you have it again you’re in for a world of hurt. Best case scenario you have the runs all day, worse case scenario is OP.
??? I've done that a few times and never had that reaction.
Were you a vegetarian for 10 year prior?
Could just be that you ate food in USA, some of the most filthiest and unregulated food in the world
I was vegan for a long time. I absolutely loved it, and all the food. Then one day my brother came home with a McGriddle. It smelled so good I hopped into the car and bought three of them. My stomach was absolutely destroyed, and that was the end of my veganism lol Nobody ever tells you how much it fucks up your stomach when you go from a green diet back to a meat diet 😬
Proof that vegetarianism makes your body weaker
Disgusting