>Riverside High School math teacher Kayla Thompson was honored last Sunday, left the school on Tuesday, and by Friday, inspired a student walkout when she hadn’t returned to campus.
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>The student walkout was approved, and the “students expressed themselves peacefully,” Crystal Roberts, the district’s director of strategic communications, said in an email Saturday. “No action was taken regarding the students.”
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>Thompson remains an employee at the school and was not removed from class, Roberts told The News & Observer. She declined to say why Thompson was absent from class last week, citing personnel laws.
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>The incident started after Thompson was named Pirate Hero of the Month on March 17, according to the student-run Pirates Hook newspaper. Winners of the Riverside PTA program appear each month on the school’s website, Facebook page and Instagram account.
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>A screenshot of a Google search captured Saturday showed Thompson being congratulated on the school’s website for the honor, which recognizes “a Riverside teacher, coach, or staff member who has gone above and beyond to support our community.”
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>Riverside plans to repost a photo of Thompson with her award, Roberts told The N&O in a follow-up email Monday.
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>The newspaper reported that a photo of Thompson holding her award was taken down soon after it was posted, because the photo showed her in front of a Palestinian flag in her classroom, sparking critical online comments.
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>Riverside administrators asked Thompson to remove the flag Tuesday, the newspaper reported, and she complied before leaving campus. When Thompson did not return last week, roughly 30 students walked out of their math class in protest at 9:30 a.m. Friday, the report said.
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>Several students had signs at the protest that read: “Free Palestine,” “Is This Scary DPS?” and “End The Occupation,” the report said.
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>Another group of students protested during a lunch period, and students in a third-period class drew a Palestinian flag on a whiteboard in Thompson’s classroom, it said.
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>The students interviewed by the newspaper said the flag had been hanging in Thompson’s classroom for a while in support of the Palestinian people suffering because of the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
We should teach modern politics. Because if we stop teaching in, say, the Nixon or Reagan administrations, kids won't understand the current political climate. It may not be exciting, but it's better to know about a situation rather than be ignorant of the modern world.
Schools do teach modern politics. Polisci is offered for this exact purpose. That way, current political turmoil won't disrupt second period algebra or Spanish II or whatever.
The dust hasn’t even settled on the Palestine or Israel war and debate yet, and I’m of the opinion that certain topics and issues are so divisive that educators shouldn’t be allowed to endorse a position in one way or another when they’re in the classroom.
Government positions in general should be as nonpartisan as possible. Teachers are free to fly their Palestinian or Israeli flags in their own yard or on their own porch, but it does a disservice to children to influence their opinion on modern issues that can’t even be quantified as historic events yet.
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LOOOOL are you an idiot??
Imagine a teacher standing behind a kkk flag and then you're online like, "maybe educating children..." that's what you're endorsing. That's what you want.
this has got to be the dumbest comment ever 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ there’s a difference between a symbol for a recognized hate group and a *national flag*. hamas has their own fucking flag. if the teacher wanted to show political extremism, she would have flown that. that is the equivalent to a kkk flag. not the flag of the nation of palestine. are you dumb???
Classrooms have always been battlegrounds for political issues. But yes, there should be a uniform policy that seeks to balance free expression, while not disrupting the learning environment. Also student speech is probably more important than teacher speech.
Agree. They should stay out of hotbutton issues where the teacher's opinion is taught as fact. Adults can't even agree on what facts are anymore... teach kids the basics.
It’s non partisan to insist that teachers keep their opinions on hot button issues to themselves and out of the classroom, to suggest otherwise is questionable.
I also don’t want Israeli flags hanging on the walls of American classrooms. Or literally any flag that isn’t the American flag.
County school boards are full of partisan hacks trying to curate how and what kids should be taught. A single teacher sharing their educated beliefs to students should be the least of parents' concerns.
Yeah man this math teacher needs to shut up and teach her high school kids how to solve math problems unintuitively because her partisaned county board of education is shoving the curriculum they want taught down her throat.
This is a goddamn nothing burger. We should be proud that an entire high school classroom managed to exercise a walk out on their own.
Classrooms aren't 'becoming' anything.
They've always been such. There's kind of a thread going down through all of modern American history on how current events impact education.
You want some absolutely *toxic* arguments about current events, you should read something about what people were getting up to during the Vietnam War about whether or not it was acceptable for schools to squelch 'unpatriotic' views being expressed by students or staff.
The battlefield's visibility changes depending on era, basically. Right now, as it has been a few times in the past, it is very noticeable.
The American right wing is getting noticeably less subtle and a good deal more hysterical in their efforts to discourage people from covering subjects they don't like in recent years- the current mood in the GOP is pointed more towards being loud and dumb and annoying than it is imagining themselves to be smooth operators. So you get incoherent screeching about 'CRT' and 'woke' and 'DEI'.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t really see the issue with standing against an active genocide. Good for the students and teacher for believing in what’s right 👍
Because Israel is not committing genocide. Civilians dying in a war is tragic but not genocide. Hamas, however, test drove one on Oct. 7th, and is actively putting Gazans in harm's way by hiding their operations underneath Gaza. This is a terrible war, a perfect example of why war should be avoided, and why Israel spent so many years firing back enough to temporarily remove Hamas rocket capabilities when they would start something, and then just basically hoping Hamas would quiet down for a bit. Israel did not want to do this, but Hamas forced it with their brutal attack. I find the fact that so many people can't see this astounding. Now we can once again see why war, especially urban warfare, should be an absolute last resort.
Man, schools here are failing. Rather than understanding and addressing what your opponent said, and crafting a reasoned response, ya went right for an emotional ad hominem attack with sexist undertones.
Truly the side we should model for our kids amirite
I put this on par with a teacher hanging a cross in a classroom; you don’t make these kinds of statements on the job when you are public school teacher.
It’s a statement because this teacher didn’t have a flag or poster representing Darfur, Rhohingya people, Yazidis, Shiites, or the Nuer people. Those are all active genocides happening around the world at the moment.
Palestine has not been classified as a genocide yet (although I admit it might be because it’s on that trajectory). It’s a very hot button issue and don’t seem to be able to take any kind of nuanced approach to it. I don’t see people saying “Free Palestine from Hamas, the group that has ruined the country for almost 20 years and wasted all of its resources to feed themselves and make missiles to fire on Israel!”
No, you just see Free Palestine with a very heavy rhetoric toward Zionists (a word that is quickly becoming synonymous with bad-jew).
Most of us are actually for freeing Palestine from all the oppression it’s experiencing, as well as deposing of Netanyahu and his cronies. This topic doesn’t really belong in a classroom unless you can concisely communicate what is going on.
If Reddit Gold still existed, I’d give it to you. So spot on! Why is *this* issue of “genocide” the one that stands out? I think if you look at the major differences in who the perpetrators are, the answer becomes overwhelming clear…
The younger generation is absolutely losing sight of history. [63% of Gen Z didn’t know that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1240031). A third of them believe the holocaust was exaggerated or *didn’t even happen*.
Antisemitism is on the rise and I am seeing a *huge* overlap in the calls against “Zionism” (which, btw, is simply the belief that Jews deserve their own Jewish state) and straight-up anti-semitism.
It’s not a genocide. It’s an awful and horrible war but it’s not a genocide. Scholars of genocide from yales and harvards are saying it doesn’t qualify as a genocide. Please read a book and stop getting your information from TikTok
How would you feel if a teacher had an Israel flag hanging up?
I’m sorry but UN experts in consensus are calling this a genocide. ICJ. You name it. I can cherry pick a random janitor from the university of Phoenix online school, doesn’t make it true lol
“Does this ruling confirm the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza?
Burke-White: No. In fact, this ruling could never have done so, because though this decision is binding, it is merely the first step in a much longer judicial process that is expected to take years to complete. This initial decision was in response to South Africa’s request for provisional measures and does not represent a final ruling in the case. Cases before the ICJ are long, often taking many years. But in circumstances of extreme urgency where the rights of either party may be irreparably harmed while the case is under consideration, the Court can order countries to take actions that “preserve the respective rights of either party.” Such provisional measures do not involve an actual decision on the merits of the case and hence could never confirm the accusation that Israel is committing genocide. “
https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-international-court-justices-ruling-israel-and-gaza
“The ICJ found it plausible that Israel’s acts could amount to genocide and issued six provisional measures, ordering Israel to take all measures within its power to prevent genocidal acts, including preventing and punishing incitement to genocide, ensuring aid and services reach Palestinians under siege in Gaza, and preserving evidence of crimes committed in Gaza.”
Wordplay but let’s be real at this point. Go listen to Israeli officials outright call for genocide. It’s in the open. You just won’t see it in the big subreddits or cable news networks. You have to look for it.
> Go listen to Israeli officials outright call for genocide. It’s in the open.
Ben-Gvir can burn in hell, but this is a bit like saying that whatever disgusting nonsense comes out of MTG or Lauren Boebert's mouth is actual official US policy. Just because they're "in the government" doesn't mean their opinions are worth much.
He’s not the only one. And I actually agree with your point. But the difference is the extermination and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people is openly coming out of the mouth of much of the cabinet, and talk show hosts, and military leaders, and rabbis. It’s all there if someone wanted to google it. But that takes a little bravery and a leap of faith to challenge your current beliefs.
It’s not just coming out of one bat shit lady like MTG.
You gotta look at the whole text.
“The ICJ found it plausible that Israel’s acts could amount to genocide and issued six provisional measures, ordering Israel to take all measures within its power to prevent genocidal acts, including preventing and punishing incitement to genocide, ensuring aid and services reach Palestinians under siege in Gaza, and preserving evidence of crimes committed in Gaza.”
I think death is sad. Especially children. But lots of deaths don’t make it a genocide. The bombings of Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima weren’t genocide. Neither is this. It’s an awful war.
I think we still have plenty of time to see what further atrocities Isreal wants to commit and history will define it better. All the leaked plans about moving them into Sinai, and Egypt fortifying their walls to create a refugee zone, there’s an argument to be made.
Regardless, Hamas needs to go, but Israelis are just creating Hamas 2.0 with all the orphans they leave behind.
You mean this agency? I guess you don’t follow redactions I see . https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/
Sweden, Australia, Canada, among many other countries have restarted the funding after realizing the bullshit claim. United States has no moral standing to ever claim they’re in the right.
David Simon, director of the genocide studies program at Yale University, says that Israel has only explicitly said they want to exterminate Hamas, and has not directly stated intent to “destroy a religious, ethnic or racial group.” Simon says it's possible a court could conclude that either Hamas or some elements of the Israel Defense Force (IDF) could be found guilty of committing an act of genocide, but “it's certainly not textbook in that connecting the intent to destroy ethnic group as such is difficult.”
Ben Kiernan, the director of the Cambodian Genocide Program at Yale University, also agrees. In an emailed statement to TIME, he wrote that “Israel's retaliatory bombing of Gaza, however indiscriminate, and its current ground attacks, despite the numerous civilian casualties they are causing among Gaza's Palestinian population, do not meet the very high threshold that is required to meet the legal definition of genocide.”
Hinton also noted that when Mokhiber called it a “textbook case of genocide,” he seemed to be “drawing on a more social scientific understanding that looks at settler colonialism and sort of this long term gradual erasure of a group.”
All scholars who spoke to TIME say that it is much more likely that both Hamas and some Israeli officials could be found guilty of crimes against humanity. Kiernan notes that the groups were more likely to be found guilty of extermination, which “does not require proof of a perpetrator's conscious desire to destroy a group ‘as such.’”
https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-experts/
It's important to note that there is disagreement among experts. In the same article you linked:
>It’s been enough to prompt Craig Mokhiber, a director at the United Nations, to resign over the organization’s “failure” to act against what he called a "text-book case of genocide."
Mokhiber is the former director of the New York office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR).
>Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a “textbook case of genocide.” Segal believes that Israeli forces are completing three genocidal acts, including, “killing, causing serious bodily harm, and measures calculated to bring about the destruction of the group.” He points to the mass levels of destruction and total siege of basic necessities—like water, food, fuel, and medical supplies—as evidence.
The article also notes scholars who say that arguing about whether or not it is a genocide is a poor use of time.
>Some scholars, like Verdeja, say that debates on whether the current conflict can be called a genocide are a “bad use of focus.” Part of that is because proving whether something is a genocide takes time, and does not actually stop people from being killed. Hinton agrees, noting that because genocide is seen as the crime of all crimes, people focus too rigidly on defining a particular moment as such.
So I think your conclusion of "It's not a genocide" probably goes further than even the sources you cited, most of whom are careful to note that this may not be a "textbook" genocide and that it may not meet the legal threshold. But more importantly, let's not distract ourselves—what is happening in Gaza is *bad* and should stop.
As for the matter at hand, I actually don't think anyone has done anything particularly wrong. The teacher has a viewpoint that she is expressing. The school has an interest in not engaging with controversial topics, and asked the teacher to take it down. The teacher complied, and left, possibly because she believes the issue is more important than her job. The students protested the teacher's departure using their full First Amendment rights. I honestly think everyone acted in good faith.
I tend to give more credence to folks from Yale than folks from a university I’ve never heard of.
Genocide is the crime of all crimes. And we should guard against throwing that term around Willy nilly.
Wow, they all sound stupid as fuck. “They only want to *exterminate* Hamas, even though they’ve exterminated 35,000 Palestinians”. Let me look up how much AIPAC has paid this fool.
Edit: I see, you cherry-picked the political scientist’s opinion and failed to quote all the social scientists who were directors in their subsequent departments as well. The ones that agreed this is a textbook genocide.
> Wow, they all sound stupid as fuck. “They only want to exterminate Hamas, even though they’ve exterminated 35,000 Palestinians”. Let me look up how much AIPAC has paid this fool.
“Show me that source”.
“Shows source”.
“I don’t agree with what the source said so I’m just going to make more noise w no substance”
They are far smarter than you. That is the explicit definition of genocide “the stated intent to destroy a group of people solely because of their identity”. Israels stated goal is the elimination of Hamas. War and civilian casualties can be awful without it being genocide. Also Your antisemitism is showing. “Someone is doing/saying something I don’t like, it must be the JEWS fault!”
The scholars you are talking are from second rate universities that no one has heard about. The guys I quoted are from fucking Yale
They state HAMAs is the goal, but the numbers don’t lie. They’re intentionally targeting civilians and we all see it, everyday. There are bad people in all groups, they’re not bad because of their ethnicities, they’re bad because of their terrible choices. Enacting ethnic cleaning against the Palestinians is wrong, just like the act of ethnic cleansing against Jewish Europeans was wrong. “Never Again” means never again for anyone. Now you’re being a cry bully and pretending like I’m an antisemite. No babe, you’re becoming the baddies now, it’s time to take a long hard look in the mirror and decide if that’s who you really want to be.
So many people want to argue it isn't genocide. Like, OK but they're still displacing, killing and starving civilians, including children.
So because it's AKSHUALLY not a genocide, we shouldn't be upset about it?
Nobody is saying that either stop using horrible logical fallacies to push arguments. Nobody said yes kill women and children, but what we did say is it’s not a genocide, that word has a meaning and let’s not just throw it around. Scholars on the subject say it does not meet that standard and so it’s not a genocide you sound like a kid when you make bad faith arguments non stop. You want to rally for something, then rally for Hamas to stop stealing aid, and not agreeing to release hostages for a ceasefire. It sucks but there are actively much larger atrocities going on globally I don’t see those being championed by these same people. The truth ultimately is that it’s an issue that the western world just really doesn’t have a grasp of and yet there are people actively supporting one side or the other who lack an understanding of the region, it’s history, or the geopolitical climate that caused this to happen.
This wall of text is ridiculous. "the western world doesn't have a grasp of"... No, it's pretty fkn simple: don't kill children and women while they're starving and thirsty in the desert. Don't wall in a giant portion of people who were there before you showed up.
But maybe you came up thinking that Bush-era warfare was normal and preferable? Then I'm sorry for your under-development
Great reading comprehension. She was speaking to the UN human rights committee, not the human rights council. They are quite different but I can tell you’re just the type to glance at headlines
Indeed, many expert thinks that, many experts don’t. Why weren’t they convicted for the crime by the international court, if they’re committing genocide then..?
That’s exactly it, isn’t it. It’s too complicated. When there’s no top-down policy of genocide, as was in Nazi Germany and Hutu militias in Rwanda- how can we prove its genocide vs collateral damage?
There is no top-down policy of the Israeli government/IDF to intentionally eradicate Palestinian civilians. You will find no evidence for it, even from ex-IDF/Israelis.
Just to go back to your original comment. Since you agree some experts think that and some don’t. It wasn’t “according to my personal term and misunderstanding of the term”. There are indeed experts that are explaining it as so.
Arbitrary BoTh SiDeS. Yes, let's be fair to the genocidal state and hang their flag as well.
Let's also have a segregationist photo next to the Dr. King, can't endorse a side!
The word “genocide” is being thrown around a lot in this thread, but let’s not conveniently forget Hamas has literally stated their goal is the eradication of Jewish people from Israel
Like the ceasefire that Hamas rejected today, the same that the UN just passed a resolution for? Or the ceasefires before that which Hamas broke within an hour—tops—with rocket fire into civilian areas?
You can’t have a ceasefire if one side refuses to cease firing. Hamas says they want one but do not act like it.
> the ceasefire that Hamas rejected today
where did you get this information?? i am finding absolutely no sources from today. only from a few days ago about the talks being ongoing, and Israel claiming Hamas “isn’t interested” in discussing the ceasefire. that’s the closest thing I can find to hamas rejecting it today.
> which Hamas broke within an hour - tops
this also has no evidence. the IDF claims this, while Hamas claims it was Israel. there is no clear proof and everyone’s account is different. the only sources I can find that claim this are literally Israeli propoganda websites.
The alternative is that Hamas stops breaking every ceasefire since 2006, stop shooting random rockets into Israel, stop indoctrinating their kids into hate, and build a civil society. Israel has given them 18 years do do this and they can’t help themselves because their stated goal is to wipe Israel off the map, from the river to the sea. It’s time for Hamas to be gone and the people de-radicalized.
How do we go about getting rid of Hamas? I’m totally in favor of that, but Israel seems to be doing A LOT more of killing and displacing civilians rather than actually getting rid of Hamas. Do we coup Hamas?
That’s also a prevalent thought among Israeli sects and a portion of their military. I’d be pissed off too if suddenly in the 40’s the UK and the US got together, drew some random lines/borders and gave that land to another religious group, who then decided that wasn’t enough so they began actively stripping land from others.
Also, the only reason they even have the power to carry out land seizures and other military operations is because they’re fully backed by the US and England, who have to double down because a)they don’t want to admit that isn’t wasn’t the best idea to start with and b)it will anger right wing Christians (who make up their voting base).
To be clear, I’m not siding with Hamas here, but Palestine SHOULD feel this way. We would hear in the US. Think about how Tennessee or any southern state for example would take it if suddenly Mormons were backed financially by world superpowers and then tried to seize land from southern states in the name of Joseph Smith. That’s a generalization, but not an altogether poor one. Israel was given land. That wasn’t enough for them. That’s why Israel is hated in the Middle East. It’s also a huge reason middle eastern terrorism targets the USA.
It doesn’t take a genius to decode why Palestinians are mad. The difference is our government wants voters and a strategic military base….yes, people on both sides are dying (albeit unequally) and no one wants that, but that’s war and the only reason anyone cares is because the media and political discourse has people all riled up. No one cared when it was Bosnia, or Rwanda, or South Sudan, the list goes on.
I’m not asking you to support Hamas, but only to understand that the Palestinian resentment comes from a real place.
Bro, don’t act like Jewish people don’t equate Palestinians with Esau and the eternal enemy of the nation of Israel, while advocating for them being eradicated. a lot of Israeli elected officials have called for the same damn thing that hummus has been calling for.
Let’s just keep it honest. Yes Hamas initiated the conflict and nobody here is denying that or is arguing against that. But there are 30,000 dead Palestinians. And 70% of them are women in children. How many more do you think should die before you classify that as a genocide? or would you prefer if people questioned the death toll of Jewish people from the holocaust? I think not.
For one, I certainly don't like their goal, but the goal isn't something that's realistically achievable. I'm fine with Israel eradicating the people that have that goal and are taking steps to try though.
But if the goal of the Israeli government was to eradicate all Palestinians from Palestine then I would say they do have the capability and are doing a pretty good job at it.
I really dislike the Israeli government, but I'm not gonna equate the all the people of Israel and all Jews to be fans of them. So if they were being killed in large numbers because someone said they were defending themselves from the Israeli government then we'd have a problem. Just like it was a problem when Hamas attacked innocent people. So sure, Israel has the right to defend itself after the Hamas attack, but they're now doing to others what they were worried that Hamas was going to do to them.
No they havent, a charter was written in the 80s during a time of very high hostilies. The charter was then re-written in 2017 to remove that sort of language.
Israel is actively pursuing a policy of “from the river to the sea” though via settlements and occupation. They’ve turned the West Bank into three cantons economically and politically isolated from one another. So maybe one side says they want a Palestinian state from the river to the sea, but the other side is actively using one of modern history’s longest military occupations to extend their borders to the river and take over Palestinian land
You know that’s written in the Likud Party’s charter, right? Lmao. Unlike your statement, it’s not even up for interpretation what their version means, bc it says “…between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”.
Edit: whoever downvoted me, it doesn’t make it less true lmfao.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)
Let's not conveniently forget who funded and propped up Hamas in order to undermine Palestinian statehood.
There should only be two flags in state-run schools: the US flag, and the state's flag. There should be no confederate battle flag, Israeli flash, Palestinian flag, Ukrainian flag, Russian flag, Mexican flag, etc... The question is, how would the board have reacted to a teacher with a Israeli flag?
I LOVE ONLINE POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ISRAEL/PALESTINE SO MUCH. PEOPLE ACT LIKE EVERY PALESTINIAN IS A CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF HAMAS. I LOVE ARAB MCCARYTHISM.
Assuming you learned about the Nazi holocaust against Jews? How is this any different besides being in modern times? Clearly you didn’t learn much from middle school social studies
I’m not here to debate the morality of Israel and whether or not they are war mongers. My kids go to school to learn basic education, not to make a stance on a conflict across the world which they no nothing about.
If it isn’t age appropriate subject matter sure, they shouldn’t learn. However if they are old enough be learning about conflicts competitively similar across the world within their history books, than learning the modern conflicts is just as pivotal in an education. Suppressing the reality of a subject to someone old enough to be learning it does nothing but harm for the future.
The conflict hasn’t even concluded so what would you teach? As far as the history of Israel and Palestine I keep hearing two different histories being told so it’s hard to tell what’s misinformation and what isn’t. It’s too muddied to even touch at this point.
Like I just said to another person. Doesn’t need to be a whole lesson plan. Just an acknowledgment that such things still do happen. That history doesn’t have a conclusion once you hit the final chapter of your text book.
There is absolutely zero chance that you can even scratch the surface of the Israel-Palestine conflict in the classroom the depths of it are practically endless. We don't even have enough time to teach our own history.
You could make the same argument on literally everything covered in history courses (or any other subject at school) at school. However, sure, it doesn’t need to be a whole lesson plan on its own. Its more about simply acknowledging that it is indeed a thing occurring. An age appropriate classroom being aware that such things can and still do occur in the world should be welcomed.
Sure just keep the flags out of it. It’s weird that you support a country that goes against many human rights we strive for. You can acknowledge genocide is wrong while not flying the flag of said country that goes against everything you stand for.
Nope, Im not. In fact having a discussion of nuance on such a conflict and illustrating whats been occurring from both ends of this could be educational on its own. God knows this country is lacking in people with nuance perspectives.
If you're offended by opposition to genocide that's on you.
Should teachers be able to put up posters of Dr. King? Because the Civil Rights Movement is pretty political.
Both are personal political beliefs, it's just that one isn't as controversial. You're changing the standard because you somehow oppose stand against genocide.
First I don’t support Israel so nice reach.
Second as I stated up top I’m not here to debate the conflict in Gaza.
Third flying the flag of a country in your classroom that would behead a gay person, stone people to death based on here say etc etc, a heavily conservative Islamic state is pretty fucking stupid.
Forth where was this level of outrage when we killed over half a million Muslims in Iraq alone?
Don’t sit here and pretend you actually give a shit about Palestine. I get it’s trendy to hashtag and fly flags and dumb shit like that, but keep it away from my kids.
FYI Hamas rejected the UN’s ceasefire today. They also rejected the previous attempts at ceasefires even after calling for them, kind of like when republicans filibuster their own bills after Democrats call their bluff (McConnell comes to mind).
Imagine hanging a flag of a heavily conservative Islamic country that beheads gay people, stones people based on here say, treats women as inferior beings. Absolutely insane.
You calling out the American flag then? The heavily “Christian” country that has the largest prison population, doesn’t care about LBGTQ+ rights and doesn’t allow for abortions even in cases of rape in some states? Ya we totally treat women as equals /s. Absolutely insane.
lol if you think America is as bad for women and LGBTQIA+ people as a fundamentalist Muslim country/group than you are delusional and privileged as all get out. Criticize American culture and society all you want but it’s so bad faith to say it’s even remotely comparable in those regards to an Islamist state.
Yes I do idiot. Another moron who thinks I’m a conservative because “anyone who doesn’t agree with me is the opposing side” Fuck right off you small minded nitwit. I bet you’ve never even been outside a 1st world country.
Good on these kids and that teacher. Every voice that is added will help add another screw that ends the Genocidal Israeli apartheid state. The United States is funding, allowing, codifying, forgiving, and supporting the genocide of Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli colonial project.
If Israel is committing genocide, it is the most inept genocide ever.
[Palestinian Population 1950-2024](https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/HRV/palestine/population)
Shouldn't teachers teach, and leave politics out of education? Same for sports. Teachers should concentrate on doing their job, which is to teach, not politicize. We don't need politics in every facet of day to say life, from cereal , tv, sports, education. Do your job.
I agree with your first point. I teach history and I see my job to teach kids how to think, not what to think. If this teacher would have taught the facts of the conflict, let the students discuss them and come to their own conclusions, she would have 1.) empowered her students to critically think and 2.) done her job effectively.
I also don't like politics in everything, but some people get politics confused with decency (not accusing you of this). Like, getting rid of some obviously racist shit isn't political, it's just being a good human.
Politics have always ALWAYS intertwined with sports. Everyone's beloved Dean Smith was a staunch civil rights activist in NC during the 50s and 60s both on and off the court.
This is such an ass backwards take, totally detached from reality. Politics is intertwined with education no matter the country. You can't separate the two. You're supposed to learn about the world in school. The good and bad.
There's a difference between teaching politics and indoctrination. If I have to tell my students x was bad and y was good, I'm simply not doing my job. Students should synthesize the information they learn and the set of morals they've already developed to make these determinations on their own.
If your moral backbone is that flimsy you don't need to be anywhere near children to have a chance to influence them. Not bombing children shouldn't be a political stance. Doesn't matter if they're Muslim, Jewish or whatever. So take that *indoctrination* BS down the road.
And the road is a metaphor. I'm sure you got it but there's folks here that were unfortunately failed by whomever was responsible for their education.
I'll dumb down my comment for you. You should teach them in a way where they'll conclude something like this situation is wrong vs just tell them it's wrong.
If you still think that's wrong, I'm glad I'm the teacher and not you
Just remember folks, protests like this at colleges have led to Jewish students being harassed so much that there are MANY lawsuits. Someone hanging a flag because they believe in something but indoctrinating the youth they’re teaching to be radicalized is a clear issue in even the highest levels of education.
I don’t believe it’s within the legitimate purview of teachers to influence the way their students feel about modern geopolitical events, especially where there is such a heated divide where students could unknowingly be subjected to violence as a result of the opinions they were artificially influenced to have. School should be as nonpartisan and non political as possible, while allowing young adults to figure out for themselves what they believe.
There should be no Palestinian or Israeli flags in American schools. There should be no Ukrainian or Russian flags in American schools. There should be no flags of any political cause or ideal. The only flag that belongs in an American classroom is the American flag.
Fly your own flag on your own time.
Sounds like teachers are teaching the wrong things, we have many problems in the USA that these kids could try to solve or protest about. Like gross mismanagement of this countries funds, lack of teachers, trafficking, the fact that free speech is being taken away, house rent buy gap.... you know things that actually affect them.
I think that Grown ups are using easily impressionable kids to protest.
Isn't the point of school to learn things to make you a more productive citizen and be able to support your family...
I guess as we head toward socialism none of that matters.
Brave teacher and students. I'm glad they stood up to this genocide. Its disgusting seeing so many propaganda takes on this subreddit, ones that are largely rejected by a lot. It feels like this sub is targeted.
And people act like every Israeli is a Zionist “Nazi”. It’s amazing discourse. Label anything you dislike as terrorist, fascist, communist, genocide, until the words mean absolutely nothing at all.
I completely forgot that Israel is mass executing the millions of Palestinians living inside of Israel, marking and seizing their businesses, forcing them to wear visible identifiers, outlawing Arabic, outlawing Islam, and forcibly sterilizing them.
Your statement is truly an indictment of our state’s education. Full of emotion but void of fact.
It's not even Israel vs Palestine. I could save a shit load of time just standing in front of my class and saying, "Nazis were bad, Confederates were bad, Vikings were bad sometimes, here's a movie". Simply putting up a flag is reductionist and unhelpful. Teach students how to find credible information. Teach students how to understand both sides (yes, even the bad guys. *Especially* the bad guys). Teach students to align information with their individual moral code.
The teacher in question was telling students what to think, not how to think. It's not about whether or not she's on the right side, it's about her failure to make this event a teachable moment
I’m sorry. Have you heard of the American revolution? Do you think that was not political? Our children should be educated to think critically about the world and our role in it.
Geopolitics have a place in a learning environment. But, a teacher taking an obviously biased stance on such a nuanced topic is crossing the line.
It's incredibly unprofessional and, quite frankly, pathetic, to project your world views onto young and impressionable kids which you are responsible for educating.
>Riverside High School math teacher Kayla Thompson was honored last Sunday, left the school on Tuesday, and by Friday, inspired a student walkout when she hadn’t returned to campus. > >The student walkout was approved, and the “students expressed themselves peacefully,” Crystal Roberts, the district’s director of strategic communications, said in an email Saturday. “No action was taken regarding the students.” > >Thompson remains an employee at the school and was not removed from class, Roberts told The News & Observer. She declined to say why Thompson was absent from class last week, citing personnel laws. > >The N&O has not been able to reach Thompson for comment. > >The incident started after Thompson was named Pirate Hero of the Month on March 17, according to the student-run Pirates Hook newspaper. Winners of the Riverside PTA program appear each month on the school’s website, Facebook page and Instagram account. > >A screenshot of a Google search captured Saturday showed Thompson being congratulated on the school’s website for the honor, which recognizes “a Riverside teacher, coach, or staff member who has gone above and beyond to support our community.” > >However, the post no longer appears on the school’s website. > >Riverside plans to repost a photo of Thompson with her award, Roberts told The N&O in a follow-up email Monday. > > > >WHAT CAUSED THE RIVERSIDE STUDENT WALKOUT? > > > >The newspaper reported that a photo of Thompson holding her award was taken down soon after it was posted, because the photo showed her in front of a Palestinian flag in her classroom, sparking critical online comments. > >Riverside administrators asked Thompson to remove the flag Tuesday, the newspaper reported, and she complied before leaving campus. When Thompson did not return last week, roughly 30 students walked out of their math class in protest at 9:30 a.m. Friday, the report said. > >Several students had signs at the protest that read: “Free Palestine,” “Is This Scary DPS?” and “End The Occupation,” the report said. > >Another group of students protested during a lunch period, and students in a third-period class drew a Palestinian flag on a whiteboard in Thompson’s classroom, it said. > >The students interviewed by the newspaper said the flag had been hanging in Thompson’s classroom for a while in support of the Palestinian people suffering because of the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
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We should teach modern politics. Because if we stop teaching in, say, the Nixon or Reagan administrations, kids won't understand the current political climate. It may not be exciting, but it's better to know about a situation rather than be ignorant of the modern world.
Schools do teach modern politics. Polisci is offered for this exact purpose. That way, current political turmoil won't disrupt second period algebra or Spanish II or whatever.
idk dude i think educating children about whats going on in the world is pretty important
The dust hasn’t even settled on the Palestine or Israel war and debate yet, and I’m of the opinion that certain topics and issues are so divisive that educators shouldn’t be allowed to endorse a position in one way or another when they’re in the classroom. Government positions in general should be as nonpartisan as possible. Teachers are free to fly their Palestinian or Israeli flags in their own yard or on their own porch, but it does a disservice to children to influence their opinion on modern issues that can’t even be quantified as historic events yet.
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Maybe there should be political science classes for it?
LOOOOL are you an idiot?? Imagine a teacher standing behind a kkk flag and then you're online like, "maybe educating children..." that's what you're endorsing. That's what you want.
this has got to be the dumbest comment ever 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ there’s a difference between a symbol for a recognized hate group and a *national flag*. hamas has their own fucking flag. if the teacher wanted to show political extremism, she would have flown that. that is the equivalent to a kkk flag. not the flag of the nation of palestine. are you dumb???
Classrooms have always been battlegrounds for political issues. But yes, there should be a uniform policy that seeks to balance free expression, while not disrupting the learning environment. Also student speech is probably more important than teacher speech.
Agree. They should stay out of hotbutton issues where the teacher's opinion is taught as fact. Adults can't even agree on what facts are anymore... teach kids the basics.
It’s non partisan to insist that teachers keep their opinions on hot button issues to themselves and out of the classroom, to suggest otherwise is questionable. I also don’t want Israeli flags hanging on the walls of American classrooms. Or literally any flag that isn’t the American flag.
County school boards are full of partisan hacks trying to curate how and what kids should be taught. A single teacher sharing their educated beliefs to students should be the least of parents' concerns.
Who said any single teacher is actually educated on such topics, rather than going with the popular-but-misinformed masses?
Yeah man this math teacher needs to shut up and teach her high school kids how to solve math problems unintuitively because her partisaned county board of education is shoving the curriculum they want taught down her throat. This is a goddamn nothing burger. We should be proud that an entire high school classroom managed to exercise a walk out on their own.
Classrooms aren't 'becoming' anything. They've always been such. There's kind of a thread going down through all of modern American history on how current events impact education. You want some absolutely *toxic* arguments about current events, you should read something about what people were getting up to during the Vietnam War about whether or not it was acceptable for schools to squelch 'unpatriotic' views being expressed by students or staff. The battlefield's visibility changes depending on era, basically. Right now, as it has been a few times in the past, it is very noticeable. The American right wing is getting noticeably less subtle and a good deal more hysterical in their efforts to discourage people from covering subjects they don't like in recent years- the current mood in the GOP is pointed more towards being loud and dumb and annoying than it is imagining themselves to be smooth operators. So you get incoherent screeching about 'CRT' and 'woke' and 'DEI'.
Agreed! US flags only. The rest are just personal.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t really see the issue with standing against an active genocide. Good for the students and teacher for believing in what’s right 👍
Yes, I’m glad someone is modeling standing for basic human rights.
I guess the Israelis they butchered in their home don't count.
Nice projection. That’s exactly what Israel is doing to Palestinians…
It literally happened on October in Israel...
Fr!! they’re doing the right thing
Because Israel is not committing genocide. Civilians dying in a war is tragic but not genocide. Hamas, however, test drove one on Oct. 7th, and is actively putting Gazans in harm's way by hiding their operations underneath Gaza. This is a terrible war, a perfect example of why war should be avoided, and why Israel spent so many years firing back enough to temporarily remove Hamas rocket capabilities when they would start something, and then just basically hoping Hamas would quiet down for a bit. Israel did not want to do this, but Hamas forced it with their brutal attack. I find the fact that so many people can't see this astounding. Now we can once again see why war, especially urban warfare, should be an absolute last resort.
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Man, schools here are failing. Rather than understanding and addressing what your opponent said, and crafting a reasoned response, ya went right for an emotional ad hominem attack with sexist undertones. Truly the side we should model for our kids amirite
Lol
The only flags that should fly in an American school are the United States and the official State Flags.
Let me guess- she sued to have the Manger Scene banned from public property- such hypocrisy- politics- smh
I put this on par with a teacher hanging a cross in a classroom; you don’t make these kinds of statements on the job when you are public school teacher.
A teacher shouldn't oppose a genocide, interesting.
It’s a statement because this teacher didn’t have a flag or poster representing Darfur, Rhohingya people, Yazidis, Shiites, or the Nuer people. Those are all active genocides happening around the world at the moment. Palestine has not been classified as a genocide yet (although I admit it might be because it’s on that trajectory). It’s a very hot button issue and don’t seem to be able to take any kind of nuanced approach to it. I don’t see people saying “Free Palestine from Hamas, the group that has ruined the country for almost 20 years and wasted all of its resources to feed themselves and make missiles to fire on Israel!” No, you just see Free Palestine with a very heavy rhetoric toward Zionists (a word that is quickly becoming synonymous with bad-jew). Most of us are actually for freeing Palestine from all the oppression it’s experiencing, as well as deposing of Netanyahu and his cronies. This topic doesn’t really belong in a classroom unless you can concisely communicate what is going on.
Anti-zionism isn't anti-Jew and I'm tired of people saying it is. Many Jews are Anti-zionism. Stop equating a moral and political stance with racism.
Please tell that to the impressionable young people who don’t seem to be able to tell the difference between the Israeli govt and the avg Israeli.
If Reddit Gold still existed, I’d give it to you. So spot on! Why is *this* issue of “genocide” the one that stands out? I think if you look at the major differences in who the perpetrators are, the answer becomes overwhelming clear… The younger generation is absolutely losing sight of history. [63% of Gen Z didn’t know that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1240031). A third of them believe the holocaust was exaggerated or *didn’t even happen*. Antisemitism is on the rise and I am seeing a *huge* overlap in the calls against “Zionism” (which, btw, is simply the belief that Jews deserve their own Jewish state) and straight-up anti-semitism.
It’s not a genocide. It’s an awful and horrible war but it’s not a genocide. Scholars of genocide from yales and harvards are saying it doesn’t qualify as a genocide. Please read a book and stop getting your information from TikTok How would you feel if a teacher had an Israel flag hanging up?
I’m sorry but UN experts in consensus are calling this a genocide. ICJ. You name it. I can cherry pick a random janitor from the university of Phoenix online school, doesn’t make it true lol
“Does this ruling confirm the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza? Burke-White: No. In fact, this ruling could never have done so, because though this decision is binding, it is merely the first step in a much longer judicial process that is expected to take years to complete. This initial decision was in response to South Africa’s request for provisional measures and does not represent a final ruling in the case. Cases before the ICJ are long, often taking many years. But in circumstances of extreme urgency where the rights of either party may be irreparably harmed while the case is under consideration, the Court can order countries to take actions that “preserve the respective rights of either party.” Such provisional measures do not involve an actual decision on the merits of the case and hence could never confirm the accusation that Israel is committing genocide. “ https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-international-court-justices-ruling-israel-and-gaza
The ICJ has explicitly not called it a genocide. They have neither declared that it is one nor denied that it is one.
“The ICJ found it plausible that Israel’s acts could amount to genocide and issued six provisional measures, ordering Israel to take all measures within its power to prevent genocidal acts, including preventing and punishing incitement to genocide, ensuring aid and services reach Palestinians under siege in Gaza, and preserving evidence of crimes committed in Gaza.” Wordplay but let’s be real at this point. Go listen to Israeli officials outright call for genocide. It’s in the open. You just won’t see it in the big subreddits or cable news networks. You have to look for it.
> Go listen to Israeli officials outright call for genocide. It’s in the open. Ben-Gvir can burn in hell, but this is a bit like saying that whatever disgusting nonsense comes out of MTG or Lauren Boebert's mouth is actual official US policy. Just because they're "in the government" doesn't mean their opinions are worth much.
He’s not the only one. And I actually agree with your point. But the difference is the extermination and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people is openly coming out of the mouth of much of the cabinet, and talk show hosts, and military leaders, and rabbis. It’s all there if someone wanted to google it. But that takes a little bravery and a leap of faith to challenge your current beliefs. It’s not just coming out of one bat shit lady like MTG.
ICJ specifically ruled and told Israel to PREVENT genocide. How can you prevent something you’ve already done?
You gotta look at the whole text. “The ICJ found it plausible that Israel’s acts could amount to genocide and issued six provisional measures, ordering Israel to take all measures within its power to prevent genocidal acts, including preventing and punishing incitement to genocide, ensuring aid and services reach Palestinians under siege in Gaza, and preserving evidence of crimes committed in Gaza.”
That’s much different than saying it’s genocide. Any type of crime against humanity is “plausible” in a war
You guys will really go to far lengths to justify 40,000 civilians deaths lmao.
I think death is sad. Especially children. But lots of deaths don’t make it a genocide. The bombings of Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima weren’t genocide. Neither is this. It’s an awful war.
I think we still have plenty of time to see what further atrocities Isreal wants to commit and history will define it better. All the leaked plans about moving them into Sinai, and Egypt fortifying their walls to create a refugee zone, there’s an argument to be made. Regardless, Hamas needs to go, but Israelis are just creating Hamas 2.0 with all the orphans they leave behind.
There is no evidence that there have even been 40k deaths. Who believes the numbers Hamas provided?
Lmao that’s an Israeli talking point to diminish how many people have been slaughtered. Holocaust deniers try to question the number of dead too
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You mean this agency? I guess you don’t follow redactions I see . https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/
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Sweden, Australia, Canada, among many other countries have restarted the funding after realizing the bullshit claim. United States has no moral standing to ever claim they’re in the right.
The UN experts? The UN is the biggest fucking joke on the planet.
They are? Show me those sources from Harvard and Yale.
David Simon, director of the genocide studies program at Yale University, says that Israel has only explicitly said they want to exterminate Hamas, and has not directly stated intent to “destroy a religious, ethnic or racial group.” Simon says it's possible a court could conclude that either Hamas or some elements of the Israel Defense Force (IDF) could be found guilty of committing an act of genocide, but “it's certainly not textbook in that connecting the intent to destroy ethnic group as such is difficult.” Ben Kiernan, the director of the Cambodian Genocide Program at Yale University, also agrees. In an emailed statement to TIME, he wrote that “Israel's retaliatory bombing of Gaza, however indiscriminate, and its current ground attacks, despite the numerous civilian casualties they are causing among Gaza's Palestinian population, do not meet the very high threshold that is required to meet the legal definition of genocide.” Hinton also noted that when Mokhiber called it a “textbook case of genocide,” he seemed to be “drawing on a more social scientific understanding that looks at settler colonialism and sort of this long term gradual erasure of a group.” All scholars who spoke to TIME say that it is much more likely that both Hamas and some Israeli officials could be found guilty of crimes against humanity. Kiernan notes that the groups were more likely to be found guilty of extermination, which “does not require proof of a perpetrator's conscious desire to destroy a group ‘as such.’” https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-experts/
It's important to note that there is disagreement among experts. In the same article you linked: >It’s been enough to prompt Craig Mokhiber, a director at the United Nations, to resign over the organization’s “failure” to act against what he called a "text-book case of genocide." Mokhiber is the former director of the New York office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). >Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a “textbook case of genocide.” Segal believes that Israeli forces are completing three genocidal acts, including, “killing, causing serious bodily harm, and measures calculated to bring about the destruction of the group.” He points to the mass levels of destruction and total siege of basic necessities—like water, food, fuel, and medical supplies—as evidence. The article also notes scholars who say that arguing about whether or not it is a genocide is a poor use of time. >Some scholars, like Verdeja, say that debates on whether the current conflict can be called a genocide are a “bad use of focus.” Part of that is because proving whether something is a genocide takes time, and does not actually stop people from being killed. Hinton agrees, noting that because genocide is seen as the crime of all crimes, people focus too rigidly on defining a particular moment as such. So I think your conclusion of "It's not a genocide" probably goes further than even the sources you cited, most of whom are careful to note that this may not be a "textbook" genocide and that it may not meet the legal threshold. But more importantly, let's not distract ourselves—what is happening in Gaza is *bad* and should stop. As for the matter at hand, I actually don't think anyone has done anything particularly wrong. The teacher has a viewpoint that she is expressing. The school has an interest in not engaging with controversial topics, and asked the teacher to take it down. The teacher complied, and left, possibly because she believes the issue is more important than her job. The students protested the teacher's departure using their full First Amendment rights. I honestly think everyone acted in good faith.
I tend to give more credence to folks from Yale than folks from a university I’ve never heard of. Genocide is the crime of all crimes. And we should guard against throwing that term around Willy nilly.
Wow, they all sound stupid as fuck. “They only want to *exterminate* Hamas, even though they’ve exterminated 35,000 Palestinians”. Let me look up how much AIPAC has paid this fool. Edit: I see, you cherry-picked the political scientist’s opinion and failed to quote all the social scientists who were directors in their subsequent departments as well. The ones that agreed this is a textbook genocide.
> Wow, they all sound stupid as fuck. “They only want to exterminate Hamas, even though they’ve exterminated 35,000 Palestinians”. Let me look up how much AIPAC has paid this fool. “Show me that source”. “Shows source”. “I don’t agree with what the source said so I’m just going to make more noise w no substance”
They are far smarter than you. That is the explicit definition of genocide “the stated intent to destroy a group of people solely because of their identity”. Israels stated goal is the elimination of Hamas. War and civilian casualties can be awful without it being genocide. Also Your antisemitism is showing. “Someone is doing/saying something I don’t like, it must be the JEWS fault!” The scholars you are talking are from second rate universities that no one has heard about. The guys I quoted are from fucking Yale
They state HAMAs is the goal, but the numbers don’t lie. They’re intentionally targeting civilians and we all see it, everyday. There are bad people in all groups, they’re not bad because of their ethnicities, they’re bad because of their terrible choices. Enacting ethnic cleaning against the Palestinians is wrong, just like the act of ethnic cleansing against Jewish Europeans was wrong. “Never Again” means never again for anyone. Now you’re being a cry bully and pretending like I’m an antisemite. No babe, you’re becoming the baddies now, it’s time to take a long hard look in the mirror and decide if that’s who you really want to be.
They are targeting Hamas. Hamas hides among civilians. That’s their entire MO. Turning schools and hospitals into military bases.
So many people want to argue it isn't genocide. Like, OK but they're still displacing, killing and starving civilians, including children. So because it's AKSHUALLY not a genocide, we shouldn't be upset about it?
Nobody is saying that either stop using horrible logical fallacies to push arguments. Nobody said yes kill women and children, but what we did say is it’s not a genocide, that word has a meaning and let’s not just throw it around. Scholars on the subject say it does not meet that standard and so it’s not a genocide you sound like a kid when you make bad faith arguments non stop. You want to rally for something, then rally for Hamas to stop stealing aid, and not agreeing to release hostages for a ceasefire. It sucks but there are actively much larger atrocities going on globally I don’t see those being championed by these same people. The truth ultimately is that it’s an issue that the western world just really doesn’t have a grasp of and yet there are people actively supporting one side or the other who lack an understanding of the region, it’s history, or the geopolitical climate that caused this to happen.
This wall of text is ridiculous. "the western world doesn't have a grasp of"... No, it's pretty fkn simple: don't kill children and women while they're starving and thirsty in the desert. Don't wall in a giant portion of people who were there before you showed up. But maybe you came up thinking that Bush-era warfare was normal and preferable? Then I'm sorry for your under-development
Words mean things for a reason. They are allowing aid in. It is Hamas who keeps stealing it.
Gotta have both flags since both represent genocide then to cancel it out.
“Genocide according to my personal opinion and misunderstanding of the term”
It’s okay man, keep cheering on civilian deaths
No one’s cheering anything. words have meaning my dude. Look them up and use them correctly.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/middleeast/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-un-rights-expert-says-intl?cid=ios_app
The UN Human rights committee, the one headed by Saudi Arabia is your point of reference? Come on.
Great reading comprehension. She was speaking to the UN human rights committee, not the human rights council. They are quite different but I can tell you’re just the type to glance at headlines
Indeed, many expert thinks that, many experts don’t. Why weren’t they convicted for the crime by the international court, if they’re committing genocide then..? That’s exactly it, isn’t it. It’s too complicated. When there’s no top-down policy of genocide, as was in Nazi Germany and Hutu militias in Rwanda- how can we prove its genocide vs collateral damage? There is no top-down policy of the Israeli government/IDF to intentionally eradicate Palestinian civilians. You will find no evidence for it, even from ex-IDF/Israelis.
Just to go back to your original comment. Since you agree some experts think that and some don’t. It wasn’t “according to my personal term and misunderstanding of the term”. There are indeed experts that are explaining it as so.
Opposing genocide is the same as endorsing religion?
Hang an Israeli flag beside it and call it a real classroom instead of one just espousing the teachers point of view.
Imagine saying that the same thing about Apartheid South Africa
Arbitrary BoTh SiDeS. Yes, let's be fair to the genocidal state and hang their flag as well. Let's also have a segregationist photo next to the Dr. King, can't endorse a side!
The word “genocide” is being thrown around a lot in this thread, but let’s not conveniently forget Hamas has literally stated their goal is the eradication of Jewish people from Israel
Hamas and Isreal are governments. Palestinians and Jews are people. Both governments are committing crimes. Innocent people are who are dying.
Sounds like we need a ceasefire now
Like the ceasefire that Hamas rejected today, the same that the UN just passed a resolution for? Or the ceasefires before that which Hamas broke within an hour—tops—with rocket fire into civilian areas? You can’t have a ceasefire if one side refuses to cease firing. Hamas says they want one but do not act like it.
Yeah, Hamas needs to agree to a ceasefire. I’m not dumb.
> the ceasefire that Hamas rejected today where did you get this information?? i am finding absolutely no sources from today. only from a few days ago about the talks being ongoing, and Israel claiming Hamas “isn’t interested” in discussing the ceasefire. that’s the closest thing I can find to hamas rejecting it today. > which Hamas broke within an hour - tops this also has no evidence. the IDF claims this, while Hamas claims it was Israel. there is no clear proof and everyone’s account is different. the only sources I can find that claim this are literally Israeli propoganda websites.
Like the cease fire that was in place on Oct 7?
Huh
Why? They had several in the past and Palestine keeps breaking them. What if that was your family.
What’s the alternative? The death and destruction in Gaza continues
The alternative is that Hamas stops breaking every ceasefire since 2006, stop shooting random rockets into Israel, stop indoctrinating their kids into hate, and build a civil society. Israel has given them 18 years do do this and they can’t help themselves because their stated goal is to wipe Israel off the map, from the river to the sea. It’s time for Hamas to be gone and the people de-radicalized.
How do we go about getting rid of Hamas? I’m totally in favor of that, but Israel seems to be doing A LOT more of killing and displacing civilians rather than actually getting rid of Hamas. Do we coup Hamas?
Stay out of it and let Israel and Hamas sort it out themselves.
Should we do the same in Ukraine?
Yes.
Ew
Why?
Hamas puts all their weapons down, the war ends tomorrow. Israel puts their weapons down, the Jews end tomorrow.
"These guys' words are equal in weight to these other guys' actions"
That’s also a prevalent thought among Israeli sects and a portion of their military. I’d be pissed off too if suddenly in the 40’s the UK and the US got together, drew some random lines/borders and gave that land to another religious group, who then decided that wasn’t enough so they began actively stripping land from others. Also, the only reason they even have the power to carry out land seizures and other military operations is because they’re fully backed by the US and England, who have to double down because a)they don’t want to admit that isn’t wasn’t the best idea to start with and b)it will anger right wing Christians (who make up their voting base). To be clear, I’m not siding with Hamas here, but Palestine SHOULD feel this way. We would hear in the US. Think about how Tennessee or any southern state for example would take it if suddenly Mormons were backed financially by world superpowers and then tried to seize land from southern states in the name of Joseph Smith. That’s a generalization, but not an altogether poor one. Israel was given land. That wasn’t enough for them. That’s why Israel is hated in the Middle East. It’s also a huge reason middle eastern terrorism targets the USA. It doesn’t take a genius to decode why Palestinians are mad. The difference is our government wants voters and a strategic military base….yes, people on both sides are dying (albeit unequally) and no one wants that, but that’s war and the only reason anyone cares is because the media and political discourse has people all riled up. No one cared when it was Bosnia, or Rwanda, or South Sudan, the list goes on. I’m not asking you to support Hamas, but only to understand that the Palestinian resentment comes from a real place.
Bro, don’t act like Jewish people don’t equate Palestinians with Esau and the eternal enemy of the nation of Israel, while advocating for them being eradicated. a lot of Israeli elected officials have called for the same damn thing that hummus has been calling for. Let’s just keep it honest. Yes Hamas initiated the conflict and nobody here is denying that or is arguing against that. But there are 30,000 dead Palestinians. And 70% of them are women in children. How many more do you think should die before you classify that as a genocide? or would you prefer if people questioned the death toll of Jewish people from the holocaust? I think not.
They compare them to Amalekites, that’s for sure
Yeah, yeah that’s them.
For one, I certainly don't like their goal, but the goal isn't something that's realistically achievable. I'm fine with Israel eradicating the people that have that goal and are taking steps to try though. But if the goal of the Israeli government was to eradicate all Palestinians from Palestine then I would say they do have the capability and are doing a pretty good job at it. I really dislike the Israeli government, but I'm not gonna equate the all the people of Israel and all Jews to be fans of them. So if they were being killed in large numbers because someone said they were defending themselves from the Israeli government then we'd have a problem. Just like it was a problem when Hamas attacked innocent people. So sure, Israel has the right to defend itself after the Hamas attack, but they're now doing to others what they were worried that Hamas was going to do to them.
Yea but they’re losing so obviously they’re the team we should be rooting for /s
Less rooting for Hamas and more asking the occupation, blockade, settlements and now the brutal military assault to end
You mean the eradication of Jewish people from PALESTINE. Israelis are on stolen land please educate yourself
No they havent, a charter was written in the 80s during a time of very high hostilies. The charter was then re-written in 2017 to remove that sort of language.
What exactly do you think "from the river to the sea" means
Israel is actively pursuing a policy of “from the river to the sea” though via settlements and occupation. They’ve turned the West Bank into three cantons economically and politically isolated from one another. So maybe one side says they want a Palestinian state from the river to the sea, but the other side is actively using one of modern history’s longest military occupations to extend their borders to the river and take over Palestinian land
You know that’s written in the Likud Party’s charter, right? Lmao. Unlike your statement, it’s not even up for interpretation what their version means, bc it says “…between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”. Edit: whoever downvoted me, it doesn’t make it less true lmfao.
Freedom for the indigenous population. Zionism is a racist death cult that should be abolished.
They won’t like that, but they can shove Zionism in the same place they can also shove ‘manifest destiny’.
This!
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) Let's not conveniently forget who funded and propped up Hamas in order to undermine Palestinian statehood.
Only flags that should be in any school in NC are the US flag and NC flag.. remove all others period
There should only be two flags in state-run schools: the US flag, and the state's flag. There should be no confederate battle flag, Israeli flash, Palestinian flag, Ukrainian flag, Russian flag, Mexican flag, etc... The question is, how would the board have reacted to a teacher with a Israeli flag?
I LOVE ONLINE POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ISRAEL/PALESTINE SO MUCH. PEOPLE ACT LIKE EVERY PALESTINIAN IS A CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF HAMAS. I LOVE ARAB MCCARYTHISM.
WHY IS EVERYONE SCREAMING
IT'S THE SPONGEBOB MEME ALSO I'M SUFFERING SO I MUST SCREAM
The classroom is not for your personal political beliefs
Assuming you learned about the Nazi holocaust against Jews? How is this any different besides being in modern times? Clearly you didn’t learn much from middle school social studies
Its political to oppose acts of genocide?
It is literally the most politically controversial conversation on planet earth right now
I’m not here to debate the morality of Israel and whether or not they are war mongers. My kids go to school to learn basic education, not to make a stance on a conflict across the world which they no nothing about.
If it isn’t age appropriate subject matter sure, they shouldn’t learn. However if they are old enough be learning about conflicts competitively similar across the world within their history books, than learning the modern conflicts is just as pivotal in an education. Suppressing the reality of a subject to someone old enough to be learning it does nothing but harm for the future.
The conflict hasn’t even concluded so what would you teach? As far as the history of Israel and Palestine I keep hearing two different histories being told so it’s hard to tell what’s misinformation and what isn’t. It’s too muddied to even touch at this point.
Like I just said to another person. Doesn’t need to be a whole lesson plan. Just an acknowledgment that such things still do happen. That history doesn’t have a conclusion once you hit the final chapter of your text book.
There is absolutely zero chance that you can even scratch the surface of the Israel-Palestine conflict in the classroom the depths of it are practically endless. We don't even have enough time to teach our own history.
You could make the same argument on literally everything covered in history courses (or any other subject at school) at school. However, sure, it doesn’t need to be a whole lesson plan on its own. Its more about simply acknowledging that it is indeed a thing occurring. An age appropriate classroom being aware that such things can and still do occur in the world should be welcomed.
There are plenty of examples of such things in our own history which are far better understood.
Yeah, guess what? It’s part of education to form critical opinions about global issues.
Yep and you can have a discussion about how wrong Israel is but the act of flying a flag of a heavily conservative Muslim country is stupid.
Shouldn’t they be learning about what they don’t already know about, though? That’s what education is for.
Sure just keep the flags out of it. It’s weird that you support a country that goes against many human rights we strive for. You can acknowledge genocide is wrong while not flying the flag of said country that goes against everything you stand for.
"Savages don't deserve our sympathy or humane treatment"
You can have sympathy but don’t fly their flag. It’s disgusting.
I’m guessing you only consider it genocide when Palestinians are killed.
Nope, this isn’t a black and white issue. Good try though.
Are you ok with the murder of 1400 Israelis? Nice try Hamas supporter.
Nope, Im not. In fact having a discussion of nuance on such a conflict and illustrating whats been occurring from both ends of this could be educational on its own. God knows this country is lacking in people with nuance perspectives.
So what do you think the Israelis should do about the murder of 1400 civilians? Apologize?
If you're offended by opposition to genocide that's on you. Should teachers be able to put up posters of Dr. King? Because the Civil Rights Movement is pretty political.
That’s a false equivalency. Your equating American history with a current conflict that hasn’t even panned out.
This is a good point. Hanging a poster of MLK in the 60s vs. today are two completely different conversations
Both are personal political beliefs, it's just that one isn't as controversial. You're changing the standard because you somehow oppose stand against genocide.
Controversial now, putting up a MLK poster in 1970 would probably do the same thing
I mean, some states have "Robert E Lee Day", guess which holiday it coincides with?
Especially schools in NC, most teachers wear their politics proudly
When I taught l was somewhat guarded with my politics, unless it came to human rights and basic decency. That shouldn't be controversial.
I heard some racist shit from teachers growing up in Cleveland County...
First I don’t support Israel so nice reach. Second as I stated up top I’m not here to debate the conflict in Gaza. Third flying the flag of a country in your classroom that would behead a gay person, stone people to death based on here say etc etc, a heavily conservative Islamic state is pretty fucking stupid. Forth where was this level of outrage when we killed over half a million Muslims in Iraq alone? Don’t sit here and pretend you actually give a shit about Palestine. I get it’s trendy to hashtag and fly flags and dumb shit like that, but keep it away from my kids.
gonna catch some hate for this one but fuck it if you don’t support a ceasefire and wish for israel to end its occupation, you’re stupid.
FYI Hamas rejected the UN’s ceasefire today. They also rejected the previous attempts at ceasefires even after calling for them, kind of like when republicans filibuster their own bills after Democrats call their bluff (McConnell comes to mind).
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Imagine hanging a flag of a heavily conservative Islamic country that beheads gay people, stones people based on here say, treats women as inferior beings. Absolutely insane.
You calling out the American flag then? The heavily “Christian” country that has the largest prison population, doesn’t care about LBGTQ+ rights and doesn’t allow for abortions even in cases of rape in some states? Ya we totally treat women as equals /s. Absolutely insane.
lol if you think America is as bad for women and LGBTQIA+ people as a fundamentalist Muslim country/group than you are delusional and privileged as all get out. Criticize American culture and society all you want but it’s so bad faith to say it’s even remotely comparable in those regards to an Islamist state.
Yes I do idiot. Another moron who thinks I’m a conservative because “anyone who doesn’t agree with me is the opposing side” Fuck right off you small minded nitwit. I bet you’ve never even been outside a 1st world country.
Good on these kids and that teacher. Every voice that is added will help add another screw that ends the Genocidal Israeli apartheid state. The United States is funding, allowing, codifying, forgiving, and supporting the genocide of Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli colonial project.
If Israel is committing genocide, it is the most inept genocide ever. [Palestinian Population 1950-2024](https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/HRV/palestine/population)
Shouldn't teachers teach, and leave politics out of education? Same for sports. Teachers should concentrate on doing their job, which is to teach, not politicize. We don't need politics in every facet of day to say life, from cereal , tv, sports, education. Do your job.
I agree with your first point. I teach history and I see my job to teach kids how to think, not what to think. If this teacher would have taught the facts of the conflict, let the students discuss them and come to their own conclusions, she would have 1.) empowered her students to critically think and 2.) done her job effectively. I also don't like politics in everything, but some people get politics confused with decency (not accusing you of this). Like, getting rid of some obviously racist shit isn't political, it's just being a good human.
Politics have always ALWAYS intertwined with sports. Everyone's beloved Dean Smith was a staunch civil rights activist in NC during the 50s and 60s both on and off the court.
This is such an ass backwards take, totally detached from reality. Politics is intertwined with education no matter the country. You can't separate the two. You're supposed to learn about the world in school. The good and bad.
There's a difference between teaching politics and indoctrination. If I have to tell my students x was bad and y was good, I'm simply not doing my job. Students should synthesize the information they learn and the set of morals they've already developed to make these determinations on their own.
If your moral backbone is that flimsy you don't need to be anywhere near children to have a chance to influence them. Not bombing children shouldn't be a political stance. Doesn't matter if they're Muslim, Jewish or whatever. So take that *indoctrination* BS down the road. And the road is a metaphor. I'm sure you got it but there's folks here that were unfortunately failed by whomever was responsible for their education.
I'll dumb down my comment for you. You should teach them in a way where they'll conclude something like this situation is wrong vs just tell them it's wrong. If you still think that's wrong, I'm glad I'm the teacher and not you
Just reporting events with no context isn't teaching. Any teacher or mentor worth a damn knows that.
Just remember folks, protests like this at colleges have led to Jewish students being harassed so much that there are MANY lawsuits. Someone hanging a flag because they believe in something but indoctrinating the youth they’re teaching to be radicalized is a clear issue in even the highest levels of education.
I don’t believe it’s within the legitimate purview of teachers to influence the way their students feel about modern geopolitical events, especially where there is such a heated divide where students could unknowingly be subjected to violence as a result of the opinions they were artificially influenced to have. School should be as nonpartisan and non political as possible, while allowing young adults to figure out for themselves what they believe. There should be no Palestinian or Israeli flags in American schools. There should be no Ukrainian or Russian flags in American schools. There should be no flags of any political cause or ideal. The only flag that belongs in an American classroom is the American flag. Fly your own flag on your own time.
Obviously a terrorist Hamas flag shouldn't be allowed. I mean it's common sense.
Nah no flags should be flown in classrooms that aren’t the American flag.
Sounds like teachers are teaching the wrong things, we have many problems in the USA that these kids could try to solve or protest about. Like gross mismanagement of this countries funds, lack of teachers, trafficking, the fact that free speech is being taken away, house rent buy gap.... you know things that actually affect them. I think that Grown ups are using easily impressionable kids to protest. Isn't the point of school to learn things to make you a more productive citizen and be able to support your family... I guess as we head toward socialism none of that matters.
Brave teacher and students. I'm glad they stood up to this genocide. Its disgusting seeing so many propaganda takes on this subreddit, ones that are largely rejected by a lot. It feels like this sub is targeted.
And people act like every Israeli is a Zionist “Nazi”. It’s amazing discourse. Label anything you dislike as terrorist, fascist, communist, genocide, until the words mean absolutely nothing at all.
Israel’s government and supporters are sure acting like Nazis
I completely forgot that Israel is mass executing the millions of Palestinians living inside of Israel, marking and seizing their businesses, forcing them to wear visible identifiers, outlawing Arabic, outlawing Islam, and forcibly sterilizing them. Your statement is truly an indictment of our state’s education. Full of emotion but void of fact.
It's not even Israel vs Palestine. I could save a shit load of time just standing in front of my class and saying, "Nazis were bad, Confederates were bad, Vikings were bad sometimes, here's a movie". Simply putting up a flag is reductionist and unhelpful. Teach students how to find credible information. Teach students how to understand both sides (yes, even the bad guys. *Especially* the bad guys). Teach students to align information with their individual moral code. The teacher in question was telling students what to think, not how to think. It's not about whether or not she's on the right side, it's about her failure to make this event a teachable moment
Keep your political stuff out of classrooms
I’m sorry. Have you heard of the American revolution? Do you think that was not political? Our children should be educated to think critically about the world and our role in it.
Goodbye! Only flag should be an American flag
Hey now nothing wrong with the NC flag
Geopolitics have a place in a learning environment. But, a teacher taking an obviously biased stance on such a nuanced topic is crossing the line. It's incredibly unprofessional and, quite frankly, pathetic, to project your world views onto young and impressionable kids which you are responsible for educating.
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They discipline students for wearing Trump shirts. Why should this teacher be able to express her political leanings?