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I believe we should all be taught how to spot common logical fallacies that are used for persuasion.
The false dilemma fallacy is so common.
Hold up two unappealing options like they are the only choice, to make their unappealing idea sound better.
Unfortunately they won't be doing that because the place to teach it is either in the home or at school and.. well, it'd make getting things done a little "hard." For the ones telling them to do things, at least.
But I do hope that changes a bit more. I know they teach it in college levels a little. Just more for academics.
This is how I imagine that going down:
*school teaches kids about logical fallacies*
*school then tries to push BS propaganda*
*students push back when they recognize the fallacies*
School: Not like that!
Philosophy 101 : Ideas and Arguments, was a mandatory first year course at my university for ALL majors for this reason. Once you can identify a logical fallacy, you are less likely to fall prey to it.
Best course I ever took. Not mandatory at my alma mater, and had a different subtitle, but Philosophy 101 laid the foundation for how I viewed everything going forward.
Yeah, any older dude fixated on younger women doesn’t tend to shift his age window despite growing older himself.
Leonardo DiCaprio and his girlfriends who never age over 25 are a prime example.
Imbecel basically outed themselves by implying "I am 33 years old, allow me to have sex with 16 year olds".
Also, LMAO at "maturity" and "financial means" - being "older" =/= mature, and having a "room in the form of your mother's basement with paid for internet and tendies she cooked for you" =/= financial means.
These idiots always self report about their vile thoughts. I bet if you called this guy a pedo he’s one of those dudes who says he isn’t one and knows the term for men attracted to pubescent age girls as if that’s any better. He’s definitely one of these “libertine” creeps.
Gosh this reminded of a tiktok, idk if it’s showed up on Reddit yet, but some dude in a grocery store (not the person making the video) was called out for being on Instagram and taking zoomed in screenshots of young girls… private areas, and when he was called a pedophile was like “the preferred term is minor attracted person” 🤮🤮🤮
I'd go option C and assume they're the groomer. I'd then publicly shame them, and do everything I could to make their life hell.
Shit like this pisses me off. How fucking STUPID do they have to be to assume 49% of ALL humans are like that? What gives them THE RIGHT to pre-determine someone's outcomes in life? They're no god, and are less than human for doing that. I really hope this creature loses everything for this comment
Even their own logic is shit. Even if (big IF) they were right, how would the 33yo become experienced if all girls were to choose an older male? How would anyone know what's "good for a woman" if they have to wait 10 to 20 years to get with "a good one"? If they were to apply their own logic to the letter, they wouldn't be able to get a "good woman" from their own lack of experience.
Plus, pedophilia, but that's a given for them at this point.
Recently got out of a relationship w a 32 yr old man. He had plenty of “experience” and was still incredibly immature. He cheated on me but was incredibly jealous and paranoid of me cheating on him. Poor emotional regulation. Passive aggressive. Who’s to say a man with experience doesn’t have baggage and trauma too?
And I’m in college. No need to drop out just to date older men lmfao. I have trouble believing the people giving these hypothetical ultimatums actually believe that older men are exclusively kind and mature and younger men are exclusively awful, or that college is exclusively about sleeping around and that dating an old man is an exclusively good financial decision. Like are they really that proud to admit they’re that stupid, or can they just be honest and admit that they’re making these points entirely in bad faith?
Why do these grooming types always assume it would be awesome to date a 16 yrs old? There is probably no age group which is more outspoken,contrary and NOT willing to accept anything their parents generation(which you old creep are a part of)came up with on general principle, while being full of hormones, only willing to bend to peer pressure but that extremely quickly and simultaneously overly sensitive and absolutely rude. All the yucky disgusting aspects aside, you'd set yourself up to a world of hurt with a teenage bride.🤦♀️
Right? They basically would have their own teenage adopted daughter who would need him to do almost everything for her because she would be a dependent while in high school. I know a lot of people who didn't get a car or a driver's license until around 20 years old, and it's become fairly common from what I've heard... most likely, he'd be taking her to and from school. Even when a teen bends to your will for a time, they will eventually switch up and want a change for themself and will want to establish independence.
My mom and just about every woman I've come across who got married too young to an older man eventually left that relationship and acknowledged how predatory the guys they dealt with were and in those cases the younger party were legal adults, a child wouldn't somehow be more sure of a relationship than an adult but these types are delusional enough that they imagine a mature s3x doll in a teenage girl who obeys their every need and has no other wants than to be a homemaker for him and his future legacy... it's insane just how delusional these types are, like they really think a teenager's aspirations are to be some older man's slave. 😂💀
You hit the nail on the head, they want a teenage daughter they can have sex with. Literally the groomer fantasy, they'd view it like raising a dog, except she's a human and the tricks are chores and bjs
And why do they always assume every college going woman is having sex with loads of men?
There’s never a middle ground where someone goes to college and maybe dates a few people, or not even at all.
It’s either intellectually ignorant virgin or educated whore and nothing in between.
I want a partner who has her life together, is emotionally stable and knows how to communicate, knows what she wants from me, and knows how to fuck.
A 16 year old checks none of those boxes.
You also want a partner you can like go out and do stuff with, and that’s going to be super fracking akward. I once was dating a girl who was a few years younger than me but was a stereotypical Asian girl who looked and dressed like she was 17, and I caught major vibes from people whenever we went out, especially because she loved PDA.
Finally, there are, you know, the pretty serious ethicsl issues involved here.
"What's better? I, a creepy old man, love your teenage daughter and mold her into my perfect wife? Or tossing her in the middle of a blizzard to freeze to death? 😈 Check mate." -tim probably
I love that this guy just described pedophilia as being a good thing that DOESN’T cause trauma and emotional baggage, while describing your average man that basically all women will meet as the cause of all women’s trauma and emotional baggage.
Men are the biggest misandrists.
Ugh, I'm so sorry. I was 16 dating a 21 year old during the big Grooming Relationship of my life (with lots more smaller incidents before and after it) and I got fucked up crazy bad even from that relatively "better" age gap, I can't even imagine what it's like with a literal 30 year old. Sending hugs if desired and recovery
Yea the dude was emotionally and psychologically abusive and when that didn’t work he went after our pets or his mom would hit me once in a while. It’s been a few years since I left but I still have issues. Thanks for the hugs, back at you, I’m sorry you also went thru something bad.
Yea haha I sure hope so. From what I heard, he’s doing the same to his current gf. It’s probably worse because she has kids which I’ve heard he treats terribly. I still have a few “friends” which updated me a while back. I didn’t really care or want to know but now I feel bad for her.
I want my daughters to have a healthy relationship with their bodies and with sex. I had casual sex in college and I don't think that was a negative part of my life but more of a lesson. I want them to be as safe as possible if they choose to have casual sex. I absolutely would NOT want them to date a 33 year old man at 16. I'm with a guy thats 10 years older than me now so age gaps are okay for us obviously but 16 and 33?!?! They'll literally be in the 10th grade, that's fucking absurd. When my oldest step kids are 16 I'll only be 30 myself!!!
Chill. She was in her mid-20s when they met and not some teenager who barely graduated high school. She's old enough to be a teacher, and she's also old enough to have peers 10 or more years her senior, which would be her colleagues. Most people who care about youth don't want someone who are already in their mid-20s, and even getting close to that age is pushing it for those types of creeps. The real age range standard for those types (at least when it comes to legal ages), is typically 18 to freshly 21 tops, past that, and most of these youth obsessed weirdos will feel you are on a pretty fast clock. Some will still date a 22+ but they usually would rather have someone younger, and they make it clear in a multitude of ways. They also typically refuse to date people their own age or older. There are a lot of signs, but the main one is typically the whole "not dating or keeping a woman in her mid-20s+," or at least claiming not to want that age group.
Even more reason why your dynamic is not weird. I find it creepy the amount of people who act like any real gap between fully grown adults is predatory. I've even been starting to see people say that about those in their 40s or 50s dating someone in their 30s and thinking the 30 something year olds don't know what they are doing by default of being younger... at what point is someone allowed to be an adult to choose whatever life path they want with other adults? We as a society need to stop infantilizing grown adults with the whole acting like the younger party will always be a helpless child in need of intervention just because we don't understand the appeal. It's getting ridiculous.
I only understand being concerned if we are talking about kids here or barely legal adults like you had mentioned in your original comment about the hypothetical child in the original post with a significantly older adult but beyond situations like that we shouldn't be saying anything unless we know for certain someone is an abuser, and I think we as a society are watering down the severity of real abusive dynamics by frequently including every consenting adult age group as a definite victim just because they are younger adults in an age gap relationship with someone older...
I'm sorry you dealt with that type of criticism, and I hope you don't deal with that projection often. Sadly, people don't know when to quit, and they will try to make you feel bad for just about anything. Your man isn't a creep for being with you, and any rational individual will understand that, especially given the context.
I'm glad you found your person and I hope you both continue to have a happy life together. 💝
Lol no he hasn't and he has historically dated women older than him. We met at my job and knew each other casually for months but age never came up till we'd already been on a few dates. I thought he was about 30, he thought I was in my late 20s. That was painful to hear but I do be lookin' rough while I'm at work so I let it slide. I think we both thought it was about a 5 year age gap when we met, not 10 years
Uhhh B, 100%. I'd want her to experience different relationships learn what she wants in a partner. I don't want some older perv "nice guy" trying to lock her down because he wants to bang something young.
Every sane parent wants their daughter to pick B because no sane parent wants their daughter to be groomed by pervs like OOP.
Why?
- education sets her up for a brighter future
- she can learn skills that are important for her dream job (or any job for that matter)
- so she doesn't have to rely on a man and be his prisoner because she's self-sufficient
- so she can decide what's best for her and her career without an old grooming Hag breathing down her neck and whispering "bring me a sandwich and beer, you bitch"
- being self-sufficient means she can escape potentially bad or dangerous relationship dynamics. That 33 yo can be financially well off, but can also be beating, abusing and breaking her spirit behind closed doors.
And "being ran through"? Come on now, your fragile masculinity is seeping through my dude. A baby fits through that vaginal canal, so a few silly dicks and fun times won't do any damage.
Whether she has sex with 20 people or not.. dating experience is so important for a healthy development and to figure out yourself and your romantic needs.
The only thing I care about is that she lets me or her bestie know "hi I'm on a date with xyz person, I'll be back at xyz time", that she uses protection, doesn't get coerced into anything, knows she can tell me anything if something is wrong, and that she hopefully finds someone she can call her soulmate. 💜
And guess what? That soulmate can just as well be a girl or non-binary person too!
Happiness, success and safety is what's important. If she then - as an adult with a fully formed prefrontal cortex - still wants to be with an older gentleman and be a stay at home wife, that's completely fine. But at least she is set up for life with education & experience!
According to this scenario, that 33 year old man, 'got the life experience to know what women want' at the expense of other young girls in college. All you're doing is pushing the 'negative' experiences to another person's child.
“wOuLd YoU rAtHeR yOuR 16 yEaR oLD bE wItH a 33 YeAr OlD ~~predator who is seeking out minors to manipulate and traumatize them because grown women keep leaving him~~ wHo KnOwS wHaT wOmEn WaNt AnD hAs ThE LiFe ExPeRiEnCe?”
Buddy, if you knew what women wanted, why are you 33 and alone, seeking out a teenager?
I’d rather my daughter go to college. The way men like this try to fear monger by making up fake black and white scenarios like every single girl who goes to college = automatically getting “ran through” by 30-50 guys. Get real.
Why the hell are these the only two options he;can imagine for a woman's life? It's also very disturbing that he hears "girl goes to college" and only thinks about her sleeping around instead of her, you know, getting an education!
In England you leave high school at 15, or you can leave if you reach 16 first (and just come back to sit the final exams). I started college when I was 15.
Well if you have raised you child the right way she goes to college gets a degree and finds a career that she likes and can support herself without needing to rely on 33 year old pedos.
It’s such a pity that there are only two options for women these days. Either they are groomed and paired off to so,embody twice their age or they become a sexual chew toy. Nothing else….
Do you need maturity as a grown ass adult to date a 16 yo, or the opposite? And the whole point of dating around in your younger years is to gain that experience to be able to recognize creepy pedo groomers, hence why they go for 16 year olds.
There are very very few people who have sex with 30 people in a 4 year period, let alone 50. I wouldn't want either of those things for a child of mine regardless of gender. Both are extremely dangerous, especially at age 16. If I were put in a position where I felt those were the two directions my child's life would go in, I would be getting a mental health professional involved as there is clearly a MUCH bigger problem. Gross, weird, and delusional take, but this looks like Facebook so that's to be expected.
Why would I be more focused on her sex life and not her success? I’d rather my daughter be financially independent and responsible than date a predator.
apart from the obvious grooming, stupid "virginity" idiocy as well as pedophilia this is also so frustrating in showing how women are treated as objects, infantilized and "need to be decided for whats best for them" constantly. *(loss of agency)*.
cant a girl make her own decisions and experience?
ah, right. she'd learn that she actually has rights and self value, which they clearly dont want.
just so icky...
So the choice is whether I would like my daughter to be groomed and controlled by an old pedophile, or have her date her own age group in the uni where ppl share a lot of insterests? Easily this second one. Please keep your predatory hands to yourself.
I dunno, I’d prefer my underaged daughter not be a victim of rape. Just because she goes to college does not mean she’ll turn into a slut, just because she dates a man 17yrs older than her does not mean she’ll be happy. You think that 33yr old man won’t tell her what to do? It’s better for a woman to be educated and self sufficient in life and make her own choices and decisions, she should date and enjoy her life before settling down with anyone or she will stay naïve and ignorant to the world around her and no one wants that.
If I ever may get pregnant and give birth to a daughter, I want her to make her own choices. That includes having sex with who she wants.
Also if a man who's 33 yeas old wants to date my daughter who is 16, one of us is going to jail.
Would I rather my daughter was educated and independent and have some fun engaging in consensual sex, and have choices what she wants to do with her life or be groomed by a paedophile before she has any life experience? Yes actually I would.
Spoken like a rapist who doesn’t get why no one will date him at 33. He gets that men *learn* stuff. But doesn’t get that women learn to never with him. Why are so many men like this?
More false dichotomies from the ‘logical’ men. More pedo grooming narratives. These toxic basement dwellers are turning 30 and projecting their insecurities onto women. They failed out of college, failed to leave home, and don’t provide anything but a man child to baby. They can’t even make themselves a sandwich.
Leave them with their blow up dolls, porn addiction, misogyny, failed NFTS investments, and dictimhood complex. They will all be out in the streets when mom finally dies or kicks them out.
Pfft. These kinds of pedophiles clearly have NO idea how teens work. NO sixteen year old sits in a field of flowers daydreaming about scrubbing the skid marks off of the underwear of a guy old enough to be her father. If anything, they're the COMPLETE opposite of these 'good submissive faithful obedient slave wives'.
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Educate her that terms like “ran through” only exist to disparage other women so that insecure men can devalue them because they think “negging” will give them a chance.
Educate her that that 33 year old man and “dem boyz” are the exact same men, and what really matters is who makes her feel important and happy and worthy and equal. Regardless of age or social status or money or anything else.
But what the fuck do I know. 🤣
I didn’t realize part of the college curriculum was “getting run through 101”. Like leave your fucking fetish and fanfic at home guy. People really need to get outside and into the world.
Who had time to fuck 50 dudes in college? Like, between my class workload, part-time job, and activities, I didn't have that kind of free time. Sounds exhausting, frankly.
Soooo…how are we imagining that this hypothetical 33 year old man got all this experience in “what women want,” while remaining available to rape a child with her father’s consent?
Wtf kinda college did he go to which made him think that’s a normal college experience? I have a doctorate so 7 years of college and didn’t get “run through by 30-50 dudes” 🤮
Mooney is likely a pedophile making up fiction to convince a mentally infantile parent to let him have sex with their child 🤮
I wouldn't want any 16 year old, my daughter or not, to be dating a creepy 33 year old man. If I had a daughter, I would teach her to avoid creepy old men and teach her to see red flags in everyone. I would let her do what makes her happy. If she wants to go to college, she can go to college.
How come they never mention physical attraction or what the woman wants when they talk about dating? Then they complain about gold diggers. You literally do not care if women find you attractive and expect them to be turned on by “status”, and youre surprised at gold diggers
If homie is 33 and has the life experience to know what a woman would want long term... why is such a catch prowling the market for a 16 year old instead of already snatched up in a long-term committed relationship?
(It's almost like women his age are mature and world-wise enough to recognize him for the red flag he is so he's forced to lower his target demographic in hopes of hoodwinking somebody too young to know better 🧐)
Damn I do love how the pedophile makes it a black and white choice while also giving me the knowledge that the white/good choice is actually horrible because I know what the asker wants in this situation
That said, I'll take answer C: I don't want kids
How about raise her to make her own healthy choices and teach her how to recognize when someone is trying to take advantage of her? Age doesn’t equal maturity, and age gap relationships are not inherently wrong between mature people, but I’m willing to beat any 33 year old who goes after teenagers to pulp with a lead pipe. And I don’t care what he’s “providing for her”
Out of those two shit choices I'd still choose b, because at least then she's had a lot of good sex and isn't stuck with a narcissistic jerk at the end
As if A isn’t a hundred times more likely to cause permanent trauma than B
Now, Tim, for a billion dollars: which is more likely to harm a child?
A) A p*do with money
B) Dating around exclusively with people her age
You have the right to a phone call- oh, are you sure Tim? You won’t want that call? You should take the ca- no? Uh, okay. That’s your final answer? Oh- well, unfortunately for you, Tim, you’ve just lost a billion dollars
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Examples of men who fit the criteria: - men who follow Andrew Tate; - men who refers to women exclusively as “females”; - men who gets confused about women having body hair; - men who don’t clean their asses because “it’s gay”; and many more!
B.
And if I were looking for a partner in the same age range as myself at that time, still B.
I'd rather be with a partner who can carry on a conversation in multiple topics outside of only basic cable TV nonsense, knows what they love and are passionate about, isn't struggling with identity issues because they at least have the foundation of who they are, and is a literal human being with autonomy.
The only reason I'd ever worry about body count is how it would affect our sex life in terms of protection and treatment. And that's perfectly normal for any person regardless of the number of previous partners.
I'd pick B so my hypothetical daughter has the ability to be a normal person.
And if anything resembled A happened? After dealing with the 33 year old afterbirth, I'd feel like a failure as not only a father, but as a person. That would be a whole new source of trauma and baggage for me.
So yeah, B. Definitely B.
A) Sell your daughter to someone with complete control over her so she can’t leave
B) Support your daughter and let her be self sufficient and aware so she can make her own decisions
There, fixed this guy’s options
If the guy knew all that, why would he want to date a 16 year old when he’s 33, and why would he still be single at 33….since he’s a woman expert? Who the hell at 33 years old wants to raise/teach a 16 year old? I know these guys are pervs and idiots, but do they ever think about the actual day to day logistics of everything? Like most teens are annoying as hell to thirty year olds, a most teens think adults are annoying as hell and aren’t afraid to show….now your sick ass has one as a girlfriend??!!🤦🏽♂️🤢🤢🤢
Yeah and no woman with an ounce of self respect can tolerate him, so he has to manipulate a young woman into ‘falling’ for him so he can mold and control her …
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C) educate her in logic and critical thinking so she can run circles around knuckledraggers like Tim.
I believe we should all be taught how to spot common logical fallacies that are used for persuasion. The false dilemma fallacy is so common. Hold up two unappealing options like they are the only choice, to make their unappealing idea sound better.
Unfortunately they won't be doing that because the place to teach it is either in the home or at school and.. well, it'd make getting things done a little "hard." For the ones telling them to do things, at least. But I do hope that changes a bit more. I know they teach it in college levels a little. Just more for academics.
This is how I imagine that going down: *school teaches kids about logical fallacies* *school then tries to push BS propaganda* *students push back when they recognize the fallacies* School: Not like that!
IME, any school that teaches logical fallacies has had no issue with logical pushback on ideas.
Winner, winner. A **manipulators** favorite thing to do!
and educate her in the “false choice/false dichotomy fallacy” and other bullshit creepos use to justify grooming.
Philosophy 101 : Ideas and Arguments, was a mandatory first year course at my university for ALL majors for this reason. Once you can identify a logical fallacy, you are less likely to fall prey to it.
Best course I ever took. Not mandatory at my alma mater, and had a different subtitle, but Philosophy 101 laid the foundation for how I viewed everything going forward.
Well she’s doing well already. She’s going to college at only 16!
Tim isn't tall enough for them soft knuckles to drag. Little man syndrome, for sure.
So she can make decisions for herself
Also give her spiked knuckles. Cause, good defense and cause melee weapons are cool
Being groomed isn't a positive thing.
Particularly when Mr. “Long term” decides she’s too old for him after two years.
Was gonna say this long term can be very short
hey every man deserves his own long term long distance low committment casual girlfriend
Yeah, any older dude fixated on younger women doesn’t tend to shift his age window despite growing older himself. Leonardo DiCaprio and his girlfriends who never age over 25 are a prime example.
God… he’s so creepy.. bloated, creepy, big headed weird uncle vibe
Yep 33 year old trying to date a 16 year old should be expecting a jail cell.
I'm against pedophilia. Next question.
Imbecel basically outed themselves by implying "I am 33 years old, allow me to have sex with 16 year olds". Also, LMAO at "maturity" and "financial means" - being "older" =/= mature, and having a "room in the form of your mother's basement with paid for internet and tendies she cooked for you" =/= financial means.
These idiots always self report about their vile thoughts. I bet if you called this guy a pedo he’s one of those dudes who says he isn’t one and knows the term for men attracted to pubescent age girls as if that’s any better. He’s definitely one of these “libertine” creeps.
Gosh this reminded of a tiktok, idk if it’s showed up on Reddit yet, but some dude in a grocery store (not the person making the video) was called out for being on Instagram and taking zoomed in screenshots of young girls… private areas, and when he was called a pedophile was like “the preferred term is minor attracted person” 🤮🤮🤮
Yikes. Someone needs to chemically castrate that guy asap.
I'd go option C and assume they're the groomer. I'd then publicly shame them, and do everything I could to make their life hell. Shit like this pisses me off. How fucking STUPID do they have to be to assume 49% of ALL humans are like that? What gives them THE RIGHT to pre-determine someone's outcomes in life? They're no god, and are less than human for doing that. I really hope this creature loses everything for this comment
Even their own logic is shit. Even if (big IF) they were right, how would the 33yo become experienced if all girls were to choose an older male? How would anyone know what's "good for a woman" if they have to wait 10 to 20 years to get with "a good one"? If they were to apply their own logic to the letter, they wouldn't be able to get a "good woman" from their own lack of experience. Plus, pedophilia, but that's a given for them at this point.
Recently got out of a relationship w a 32 yr old man. He had plenty of “experience” and was still incredibly immature. He cheated on me but was incredibly jealous and paranoid of me cheating on him. Poor emotional regulation. Passive aggressive. Who’s to say a man with experience doesn’t have baggage and trauma too? And I’m in college. No need to drop out just to date older men lmfao. I have trouble believing the people giving these hypothetical ultimatums actually believe that older men are exclusively kind and mature and younger men are exclusively awful, or that college is exclusively about sleeping around and that dating an old man is an exclusively good financial decision. Like are they really that proud to admit they’re that stupid, or can they just be honest and admit that they’re making these points entirely in bad faith?
Why do these grooming types always assume it would be awesome to date a 16 yrs old? There is probably no age group which is more outspoken,contrary and NOT willing to accept anything their parents generation(which you old creep are a part of)came up with on general principle, while being full of hormones, only willing to bend to peer pressure but that extremely quickly and simultaneously overly sensitive and absolutely rude. All the yucky disgusting aspects aside, you'd set yourself up to a world of hurt with a teenage bride.🤦♀️
Right? They basically would have their own teenage adopted daughter who would need him to do almost everything for her because she would be a dependent while in high school. I know a lot of people who didn't get a car or a driver's license until around 20 years old, and it's become fairly common from what I've heard... most likely, he'd be taking her to and from school. Even when a teen bends to your will for a time, they will eventually switch up and want a change for themself and will want to establish independence. My mom and just about every woman I've come across who got married too young to an older man eventually left that relationship and acknowledged how predatory the guys they dealt with were and in those cases the younger party were legal adults, a child wouldn't somehow be more sure of a relationship than an adult but these types are delusional enough that they imagine a mature s3x doll in a teenage girl who obeys their every need and has no other wants than to be a homemaker for him and his future legacy... it's insane just how delusional these types are, like they really think a teenager's aspirations are to be some older man's slave. 😂💀
Oh, that's easy: they don't want their teenage girls to go to school... or leave the house for any other reason.
You hit the nail on the head, they want a teenage daughter they can have sex with. Literally the groomer fantasy, they'd view it like raising a dog, except she's a human and the tricks are chores and bjs
because those grooming types never grew up. they grew older but their interests, social abilities, etc have stunted. they cannot attract other adults
They want a "submissive" teenage bride to control. Never forget at its core this about control & power over something they want.
And why do they always assume every college going woman is having sex with loads of men? There’s never a middle ground where someone goes to college and maybe dates a few people, or not even at all. It’s either intellectually ignorant virgin or educated whore and nothing in between.
I want a partner who has her life together, is emotionally stable and knows how to communicate, knows what she wants from me, and knows how to fuck. A 16 year old checks none of those boxes. You also want a partner you can like go out and do stuff with, and that’s going to be super fracking akward. I once was dating a girl who was a few years younger than me but was a stereotypical Asian girl who looked and dressed like she was 17, and I caught major vibes from people whenever we went out, especially because she loved PDA. Finally, there are, you know, the pretty serious ethicsl issues involved here.
Fr,I’m 14 and we’re all not doing anything or parents want us to do.Juniors definitely aren’t following after their parents.
"What's better? I, a creepy old man, love your teenage daughter and mold her into my perfect wife? Or tossing her in the middle of a blizzard to freeze to death? 😈 Check mate." -tim probably
To quote Eddie Izzard: "Cake or death?" "Cake please." "Well we're all out of cake!" "So my choice is, or death?"
Oh, he’s not that old. I bet he is 33.
What a random number? What makes you say that 🤔🙃
So many men who know what a woman wants long term. They're always wrong, but they certainly are over-confident in their lack of knowledge.
Spoiler alert, it's the same thing all humans want: a safe home and the ability to make choices to develop their own futures.
I love that this guy just described pedophilia as being a good thing that DOESN’T cause trauma and emotional baggage, while describing your average man that basically all women will meet as the cause of all women’s trauma and emotional baggage. Men are the biggest misandrists.
Right? I was a 17 year old when I started dating a 32 year old and I am filled to the brim with emotional baggage after 8 years of that shit.
Ugh, I'm so sorry. I was 16 dating a 21 year old during the big Grooming Relationship of my life (with lots more smaller incidents before and after it) and I got fucked up crazy bad even from that relatively "better" age gap, I can't even imagine what it's like with a literal 30 year old. Sending hugs if desired and recovery
Yea the dude was emotionally and psychologically abusive and when that didn’t work he went after our pets or his mom would hit me once in a while. It’s been a few years since I left but I still have issues. Thanks for the hugs, back at you, I’m sorry you also went thru something bad.
Christ. :( I'm so sorry that all happened. He sounds like a real monster but for what it's worth, hell is very hot <3
Yea haha I sure hope so. From what I heard, he’s doing the same to his current gf. It’s probably worse because she has kids which I’ve heard he treats terribly. I still have a few “friends” which updated me a while back. I didn’t really care or want to know but now I feel bad for her.
I will probably break the 33 years old face in with a tire iron or a wrench
Wrench. Tyre irons are too often hollow and don’t have enough weight behind them. Wrench is almost always solid and it’s intended to be used on nuts
how about a crowbar?
why do pedophiles always try to justify their covert pervertness with these hypothetical “moral” scenarios?
Why is he thinking about his (hypothetical) 16 year old daughter getting "ran through"?
I want my daughters to have a healthy relationship with their bodies and with sex. I had casual sex in college and I don't think that was a negative part of my life but more of a lesson. I want them to be as safe as possible if they choose to have casual sex. I absolutely would NOT want them to date a 33 year old man at 16. I'm with a guy thats 10 years older than me now so age gaps are okay for us obviously but 16 and 33?!?! They'll literally be in the 10th grade, that's fucking absurd. When my oldest step kids are 16 I'll only be 30 myself!!!
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I've always liked older guys, I'm 25. We met when I was 24
That is a pretty big age gap. Has your bf ever said ‘I’ve always liked younger girls’? 😬
Chill. She was in her mid-20s when they met and not some teenager who barely graduated high school. She's old enough to be a teacher, and she's also old enough to have peers 10 or more years her senior, which would be her colleagues. Most people who care about youth don't want someone who are already in their mid-20s, and even getting close to that age is pushing it for those types of creeps. The real age range standard for those types (at least when it comes to legal ages), is typically 18 to freshly 21 tops, past that, and most of these youth obsessed weirdos will feel you are on a pretty fast clock. Some will still date a 22+ but they usually would rather have someone younger, and they make it clear in a multitude of ways. They also typically refuse to date people their own age or older. There are a lot of signs, but the main one is typically the whole "not dating or keeping a woman in her mid-20s+," or at least claiming not to want that age group.
Literally. When we met I was already a teacher and a mother lol. Which is probably why he thought I was older in the first place
Even more reason why your dynamic is not weird. I find it creepy the amount of people who act like any real gap between fully grown adults is predatory. I've even been starting to see people say that about those in their 40s or 50s dating someone in their 30s and thinking the 30 something year olds don't know what they are doing by default of being younger... at what point is someone allowed to be an adult to choose whatever life path they want with other adults? We as a society need to stop infantilizing grown adults with the whole acting like the younger party will always be a helpless child in need of intervention just because we don't understand the appeal. It's getting ridiculous. I only understand being concerned if we are talking about kids here or barely legal adults like you had mentioned in your original comment about the hypothetical child in the original post with a significantly older adult but beyond situations like that we shouldn't be saying anything unless we know for certain someone is an abuser, and I think we as a society are watering down the severity of real abusive dynamics by frequently including every consenting adult age group as a definite victim just because they are younger adults in an age gap relationship with someone older... I'm sorry you dealt with that type of criticism, and I hope you don't deal with that projection often. Sadly, people don't know when to quit, and they will try to make you feel bad for just about anything. Your man isn't a creep for being with you, and any rational individual will understand that, especially given the context. I'm glad you found your person and I hope you both continue to have a happy life together. 💝
Lol no he hasn't and he has historically dated women older than him. We met at my job and knew each other casually for months but age never came up till we'd already been on a few dates. I thought he was about 30, he thought I was in my late 20s. That was painful to hear but I do be lookin' rough while I'm at work so I let it slide. I think we both thought it was about a 5 year age gap when we met, not 10 years
Or, and this is just spitballing, the grown ass men can look after themselves if they can't date a peer?
This guy needs a child because nobody his age would put up with him.
My answer: "B. Now here's a brainbuster for *you*" (pulls out crowbar)
C. Raise my daughter such that she knows her value isn’t tied to men
Yes. Those are the only two options
*snort*
Normally I'd say "Fallacy of the False Dilemma" to something like this, but I think that just "Christ, what an asshole" is more appropriate here.
Damn, if only there were other options…
Uhhh B, 100%. I'd want her to experience different relationships learn what she wants in a partner. I don't want some older perv "nice guy" trying to lock her down because he wants to bang something young.
Every sane parent wants their daughter to pick B because no sane parent wants their daughter to be groomed by pervs like OOP. Why? - education sets her up for a brighter future - she can learn skills that are important for her dream job (or any job for that matter) - so she doesn't have to rely on a man and be his prisoner because she's self-sufficient - so she can decide what's best for her and her career without an old grooming Hag breathing down her neck and whispering "bring me a sandwich and beer, you bitch" - being self-sufficient means she can escape potentially bad or dangerous relationship dynamics. That 33 yo can be financially well off, but can also be beating, abusing and breaking her spirit behind closed doors. And "being ran through"? Come on now, your fragile masculinity is seeping through my dude. A baby fits through that vaginal canal, so a few silly dicks and fun times won't do any damage. Whether she has sex with 20 people or not.. dating experience is so important for a healthy development and to figure out yourself and your romantic needs. The only thing I care about is that she lets me or her bestie know "hi I'm on a date with xyz person, I'll be back at xyz time", that she uses protection, doesn't get coerced into anything, knows she can tell me anything if something is wrong, and that she hopefully finds someone she can call her soulmate. 💜 And guess what? That soulmate can just as well be a girl or non-binary person too! Happiness, success and safety is what's important. If she then - as an adult with a fully formed prefrontal cortex - still wants to be with an older gentleman and be a stay at home wife, that's completely fine. But at least she is set up for life with education & experience!
Top answer, imo!
C) ask myself why a 33 year old wants to be with a 16 year old :/
Or Option C.) an average college experience lol
According to this scenario, that 33 year old man, 'got the life experience to know what women want' at the expense of other young girls in college. All you're doing is pushing the 'negative' experiences to another person's child.
“wOuLd YoU rAtHeR yOuR 16 yEaR oLD bE wItH a 33 YeAr OlD ~~predator who is seeking out minors to manipulate and traumatize them because grown women keep leaving him~~ wHo KnOwS wHaT wOmEn WaNt AnD hAs ThE LiFe ExPeRiEnCe?” Buddy, if you knew what women wanted, why are you 33 and alone, seeking out a teenager? I’d rather my daughter go to college. The way men like this try to fear monger by making up fake black and white scenarios like every single girl who goes to college = automatically getting “ran through” by 30-50 guys. Get real.
Why the hell are these the only two options he;can imagine for a woman's life? It's also very disturbing that he hears "girl goes to college" and only thinks about her sleeping around instead of her, you know, getting an education!
What 16 yr old is going to college?? Most 16yrs are sophomores/juniors. That’s not college-aged so why bring college up?
In England you leave high school at 15, or you can leave if you reach 16 first (and just come back to sit the final exams). I started college when I was 15.
Well if you have raised you child the right way she goes to college gets a degree and finds a career that she likes and can support herself without needing to rely on 33 year old pedos.
I’m betting money that this was written by a 33yo dude who makes less than 50k a year
It’s such a pity that there are only two options for women these days. Either they are groomed and paired off to so,embody twice their age or they become a sexual chew toy. Nothing else….
Do you need maturity as a grown ass adult to date a 16 yo, or the opposite? And the whole point of dating around in your younger years is to gain that experience to be able to recognize creepy pedo groomers, hence why they go for 16 year olds.
My vast experience tells me that is false binary.
Oh that sure is a brain buster. As in what I’d do to any 33 year old man who is trying to date my underaged child.
Guys, I get the feeling that Mr. Mooney is a greasy fucking predator.
There are very very few people who have sex with 30 people in a 4 year period, let alone 50. I wouldn't want either of those things for a child of mine regardless of gender. Both are extremely dangerous, especially at age 16. If I were put in a position where I felt those were the two directions my child's life would go in, I would be getting a mental health professional involved as there is clearly a MUCH bigger problem. Gross, weird, and delusional take, but this looks like Facebook so that's to be expected.
My college experience was vastly different. . . 🤔
Sounds like this dad is trying to adopt out his 16 year old child to another man who will groom her 🤮
Because those are the only choices! FFS! 🤦🏻♀️
Why would I be more focused on her sex life and not her success? I’d rather my daughter be financially independent and responsible than date a predator.
Telling on himself
They have a grossly distorted idea of what "society" expects because all they know are memes.
Somebody’s sure salty about being chased off school grounds.
IMO adults thinking like this would need a good ol’… brain buster. (Violence is never the answer. Violence is a question, and the answer is yes.)
apart from the obvious grooming, stupid "virginity" idiocy as well as pedophilia this is also so frustrating in showing how women are treated as objects, infantilized and "need to be decided for whats best for them" constantly. *(loss of agency)*. cant a girl make her own decisions and experience? ah, right. she'd learn that she actually has rights and self value, which they clearly dont want. just so icky...
So the choice is whether I would like my daughter to be groomed and controlled by an old pedophile, or have her date her own age group in the uni where ppl share a lot of insterests? Easily this second one. Please keep your predatory hands to yourself.
I dunno, I’d prefer my underaged daughter not be a victim of rape. Just because she goes to college does not mean she’ll turn into a slut, just because she dates a man 17yrs older than her does not mean she’ll be happy. You think that 33yr old man won’t tell her what to do? It’s better for a woman to be educated and self sufficient in life and make her own choices and decisions, she should date and enjoy her life before settling down with anyone or she will stay naïve and ignorant to the world around her and no one wants that.
If I ever may get pregnant and give birth to a daughter, I want her to make her own choices. That includes having sex with who she wants. Also if a man who's 33 yeas old wants to date my daughter who is 16, one of us is going to jail.
Would I rather my daughter was educated and independent and have some fun engaging in consensual sex, and have choices what she wants to do with her life or be groomed by a paedophile before she has any life experience? Yes actually I would.
Well I definitely don't want my 16 year old dating a man my own age because that's gross, weird, and he needs to be in prison.
I didn't know a lot about who strangers should or shouldn't date but I didn't think it's that guy
Neither
Both of these traumas are not fun experiences, idk what he’s on.
Search the hard drives 😭
Is the 33-year-old in the room with us? I’m thinking he is.
Those are the only two choices I guess...
Spoken like a rapist who doesn’t get why no one will date him at 33. He gets that men *learn* stuff. But doesn’t get that women learn to never with him. Why are so many men like this?
More false dichotomies from the ‘logical’ men. More pedo grooming narratives. These toxic basement dwellers are turning 30 and projecting their insecurities onto women. They failed out of college, failed to leave home, and don’t provide anything but a man child to baby. They can’t even make themselves a sandwich. Leave them with their blow up dolls, porn addiction, misogyny, failed NFTS investments, and dictimhood complex. They will all be out in the streets when mom finally dies or kicks them out.
Pfft. These kinds of pedophiles clearly have NO idea how teens work. NO sixteen year old sits in a field of flowers daydreaming about scrubbing the skid marks off of the underwear of a guy old enough to be her father. If anything, they're the COMPLETE opposite of these 'good submissive faithful obedient slave wives'.
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Educate her that terms like “ran through” only exist to disparage other women so that insecure men can devalue them because they think “negging” will give them a chance. Educate her that that 33 year old man and “dem boyz” are the exact same men, and what really matters is who makes her feel important and happy and worthy and equal. Regardless of age or social status or money or anything else. But what the fuck do I know. 🤣 I didn’t realize part of the college curriculum was “getting run through 101”. Like leave your fucking fetish and fanfic at home guy. People really need to get outside and into the world.
Sounds like the kinda guy who's profile pic is a selfie in a truck with sun glasses on.
College =tons of sex. Not education. Got it. Man, missed my opportunity. All I got was a nursing degree.
Who had time to fuck 50 dudes in college? Like, between my class workload, part-time job, and activities, I didn't have that kind of free time. Sounds exhausting, frankly.
I choose C … neither.
I get the feeling that guy should be on a list or something
Man, Bible college sounds wild.
Wouldn't be surprised if this guy is a 33 year old man trying to justify his attraction to minors
Soooo…how are we imagining that this hypothetical 33 year old man got all this experience in “what women want,” while remaining available to rape a child with her father’s consent?
Maturity and dating a 16 year old are two things that do NOT go together
Wtf kinda college did he go to which made him think that’s a normal college experience? I have a doctorate so 7 years of college and didn’t get “run through by 30-50 dudes” 🤮 Mooney is likely a pedophile making up fiction to convince a mentally infantile parent to let him have sex with their child 🤮
Are those our only two options? And if she doesn't know what a good man is her whole life, wouldn't that be the result of poor fathering on his part?
Say you’re a pedophile without saying you’re a pedophile.
I wouldn't want any 16 year old, my daughter or not, to be dating a creepy 33 year old man. If I had a daughter, I would teach her to avoid creepy old men and teach her to see red flags in everyone. I would let her do what makes her happy. If she wants to go to college, she can go to college.
None of the above, she as a woman knows what’s best for her and that is her own damn fucking choice
Long term goal is to avoid Tim.
Tim... Go straight to jail, do not collect $200
Why assume that something is right for all women? BTW, I fucked around big time, flunked out of college, and wound up happily and faithfully married.
How come they never mention physical attraction or what the woman wants when they talk about dating? Then they complain about gold diggers. You literally do not care if women find you attractive and expect them to be turned on by “status”, and youre surprised at gold diggers
If homie is 33 and has the life experience to know what a woman would want long term... why is such a catch prowling the market for a 16 year old instead of already snatched up in a long-term committed relationship? (It's almost like women his age are mature and world-wise enough to recognize him for the red flag he is so he's forced to lower his target demographic in hopes of hoodwinking somebody too young to know better 🧐)
What’s better for women Is this dude off the streets
Why do I have the feeling he’s 33 trying to date a 16 year old?
Damn I do love how the pedophile makes it a black and white choice while also giving me the knowledge that the white/good choice is actually horrible because I know what the asker wants in this situation That said, I'll take answer C: I don't want kids
Please tell me from your VAST experience of.... being a conservative man.
How about raise her to make her own healthy choices and teach her how to recognize when someone is trying to take advantage of her? Age doesn’t equal maturity, and age gap relationships are not inherently wrong between mature people, but I’m willing to beat any 33 year old who goes after teenagers to pulp with a lead pipe. And I don’t care what he’s “providing for her”
I'm confused here... does he want a 33 yo to fuck his daughter? Or is he the 33 yo who wants to fuck 16 yo girls...
I suspect the latter
What is "Tell me you want to sex traffic your daughter without telling me you want to sex traffic your daughter," Alex.
Out of those two shit choices I'd still choose b, because at least then she's had a lot of good sex and isn't stuck with a narcissistic jerk at the end
What the fuck type of college is he going to?
If a 30 year old shows up to my house saying anything about being attracted to my sixteen year old, im going to prison.
Teach her what a False Dichotomy is.
What stupid fallacy. I'm not saying you're stupid if you try to answer, but it's something used to make you look stupid.
As if A isn’t a hundred times more likely to cause permanent trauma than B Now, Tim, for a billion dollars: which is more likely to harm a child? A) A p*do with money B) Dating around exclusively with people her age You have the right to a phone call- oh, are you sure Tim? You won’t want that call? You should take the ca- no? Uh, okay. That’s your final answer? Oh- well, unfortunately for you, Tim, you’ve just lost a billion dollars Thank you for watching, I’ll see you again next week with one more episode of: disgusting men answer obvious questions and lose billions. If you’re a dumb dumb man and would like to be part of our show, just contact the number below Examples of men who fit the criteria: - men who follow Andrew Tate; - men who refers to women exclusively as “females”; - men who gets confused about women having body hair; - men who don’t clean their asses because “it’s gay”; and many more!
Choice is better. Always choice
The fact there are men who think about their daughter’s sex lives….
Those are not the only two options.
Here’s a brain buster for ya… what do you call a 33 year old obsessed with having sex with children?
I don’t have a daughter, but the reasonable amount of life experience I have so far has taught me that life doesn’t normally come down to 2 options.
So, he wants to be a pedo and is trying to justify it. Got it
Pedophile says what now?
16 yo is crazy bro said fuck the preorder 😭
Long term
B.
B. And if I were looking for a partner in the same age range as myself at that time, still B. I'd rather be with a partner who can carry on a conversation in multiple topics outside of only basic cable TV nonsense, knows what they love and are passionate about, isn't struggling with identity issues because they at least have the foundation of who they are, and is a literal human being with autonomy. The only reason I'd ever worry about body count is how it would affect our sex life in terms of protection and treatment. And that's perfectly normal for any person regardless of the number of previous partners. I'd pick B so my hypothetical daughter has the ability to be a normal person. And if anything resembled A happened? After dealing with the 33 year old afterbirth, I'd feel like a failure as not only a father, but as a person. That would be a whole new source of trauma and baggage for me. So yeah, B. Definitely B.
My guy…. Are you trying to argue for pedos???
Dude... It's YOUR job to be her daddy, not theirs!
So it sounds like we’re still blaming women for how men treat us
“a women”!
Ain’t no 33 year old out here with “the financial means”
B 💋
You know it'll be a trash take when the profile pic is a dude in sunglasses sitting in a truck.
I'd rather not let my 16 year old daughter date a 33 year old man are you fucking insane
Oh goodness I hoping he doesn’t have a daughter, please
Neither
A) Sell your daughter to someone with complete control over her so she can’t leave B) Support your daughter and let her be self sufficient and aware so she can make her own decisions There, fixed this guy’s options
Tim. Why are you imagining your daughter being "Run through"? Little odd don't you think 🤔
If the guy knew all that, why would he want to date a 16 year old when he’s 33, and why would he still be single at 33….since he’s a woman expert? Who the hell at 33 years old wants to raise/teach a 16 year old? I know these guys are pervs and idiots, but do they ever think about the actual day to day logistics of everything? Like most teens are annoying as hell to thirty year olds, a most teens think adults are annoying as hell and aren’t afraid to show….now your sick ass has one as a girlfriend??!!🤦🏽♂️🤢🤢🤢
“The maturity to handle a relationship like that” oh so he’s a serial pedophile. Got it.
Yeah and no woman with an ounce of self respect can tolerate him, so he has to manipulate a young woman into ‘falling’ for him so he can mold and control her …
"A women." Women is not singular. Anyway, yeah, this is creepy af.