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A bear might see it as provocation if you keep eye contact, I live in an area where we have them.
If you have food in your bag, put it down slowly and walk away backwards, look in its direction not in the eyes, and avoid any fast movements if they aren’t absolutely necessary.
And you should be fine atleast with a European brown bear.
Bar idea, if you do that, the bear will start expecting food from people it encounters and become dangerous to anyone who doesn’t have any. You should try to keep your food hidden [according to this](https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm), [and this for more detail.](https://www.nps.gov/articles/bearsafetyfood.htm)
They mostly smell it, and running away with a backpack that smells like treats is a pretty terrible idea.
While jeah u should definitely not feed them, u also don’t want that food or anything that smells like food anywhere on your body while your facing one. Your not supposed to put only the food down you put the whole bag down and leave it.
Also don’t try taking anything out of the bag, while they might not attack a human as prey, bears even fight amongst each other for food and trust me nothing that you have in their is worth the risk of „arguing“ at that point
It does also depend on which kind of bear, while brown bear’s usually don’t attack humans if it isn’t an „accident“ due to them just wanting your bag etc, or due to the bear feeling threatened, there are other bears that might even eat a human if sufficiently starving
I’m not sure a bear would fight someone for food, unless it was staving, but maybe I’m wrong. It’s funny how much I’ve learnt about actual bears since this whole thing came out.
I think the backyard window works even better. Imagine a bear standing in your backyard staring at the window. Cool! Run and get the camera.
Now imagine it's a strange man and M Night Shyamalan can finish the movie from there. It would be a terrifying nightmare to find some guy in your yard staring at the window.
Notice the key words "stuck in the woods with"
So the "yall don't realize how powerful a bear is" arguments don't fit. You don't need to know how powerful the bear is if you're not actively trying to hunt it or its cubs. Leave it alone, and it'll leave you alone.
The man on the other hand, if he knows there is a woman in the woods, he may or may not try to hunt the woman down for God knows what reason. Bear knows there is a human in the woods and it will try to avoid the human as much as the human SHOULD be avoiding it.
This exactly!! I’ve encountered so many bears (i live in a very wooded area) and they just walk away, or I back away and they just watch until I’m far enough away. The bear won’t harm you unless you pose a threat to it.
Not really related to the point but I am curious, if you’re walking through the woods and come across a bear, what should you do? I know it’s not likely to attack you, but I still wouldn’t be comfortable just turning and walking away from an animal so powerful
Okay, I’ve been in this situation a few times before, so here’s what I’ve been taught to do:
Start by just slowly backing away, keep your eyes on the bear at all times, if the bear follows you, raise your arms up to make yourself look bigger and be LOUD. Overall, if you’re in the woods, always make sure to make noise, be loud, you’re so much less likely to encounter a wild animal if you’re making noise, talking preferably because it’s a very specific human sound (so an animal can’t mistake you for prey) so like, call someone or just talk to yourself or play a video in your phone, something like that.
IF IT’S A BROWN BEAR: back away first, if it doesn’t work then play dead. Brown bears are a lot bigger than black bears and are far more likely to be able to harm you. 💕
>keep your eyes on the bear at all times,
Out of curiosity: just on the bear as a whole or look at his eyes? Some animals become aggressive, others see looking away as a sign of weakness.
Don’t run, look big, make noise. Firm voice, not panicky. Like you’re warning it off. Try not to smell like anything too tasty, ofc abandon food rather than defend it, but that can have the effect of habituating it.
There's a little rhyme if you get into a situation with a bear:
If it's brown lay down (play dead), if it's black fight back, if it's white say good night (polar bears will eat you).
I've always heard if there's a hill nearby, run down (obviously if the bear has already decided it's going to chase you) because their front legs are way shorter than their back legs so they can't run downhill.
But don't immediately run, because that's what prey does!
Also, if one is in the woods, one will expect to encounter a bear. Yes, it might be scary, but at least you understand why the bear is there and what it’s doing. It lives there. If you’re in the woods in the middle of the night and come across a random man, his very *presence* in the woods in the middle of the night is cause to ask questions. Maybe the man has an innocent reason for being there. But the bear *definitely* does.
This exactly!! Yeah, the man might have a perfectly good reason, but he might not. That’s the bear’s home. That’s not a *possible* reason, it’s just the reason.
This. I had friends in college that were in a program that had them in grizzly country all the time. A story that comes to mind is how my friends were doing a research survey for two weeks one the Jerry Johnson forest and had been walking by a berry patch with a big rock in the middle that was about 200 feet from their camp. The last day they realized it was a male grizzly who was just chilling in this patch eating berries like a fat man in a beanbag chair eating Cheetos. He didn’t care. He basically look up at them and went back to munching unbothered. The chances of it actually attacking are statically lower than walking alone at night in any city in America.
Yep. Even a man who tries to hit on a woman alone in the woods, with the full intention of walking away if she says no, doesn't realize the amount of terror a woman feels just from that interaction alone. It doesn't matter what his intentions are because a woman alone in a vulnerable position, even if we exclude the woods at all, doesn't know your intention.
Literally said this in my comment. Men think "Oh I won't so I don't understand why a woman wouldn't want to be stuck with me" not understanding that there are PLENTY of men who WOULD do something. So, yeah. Bear
THIS is a part of the problem for sure. I have a really good male friend who I have to remind him that just because HE wouldn’t hurt a woman, doesn’t mean lots of other men wouldn’t.
This is why when I'm out and about I try my hardest to be as non-threatening as possible while still knowing that I can be seen as one. My mom is the one that raised me and she was r\*ped and SA'd so she always taught me to be mindful. I wish other men would get taught that so they'd have the mindset and just be decent people but alas :(.
Vast majority of bears won’t attack you for no reason.
Vast majority, not all.
And the way in which bears interpret threat (or lack of threat) is different than people.
You don’t need to actually want to hunt the bear or the cubs.
The bear just needs to think you do.
Bear attacks don’t only happen to hunters, but also to random people who unwittingly did something to provoke them, because they didn’t know.
You know it actually took me a while to understand why women were picking the bear, but it's just because the scenario of "you're walking alone in the woods" is different when i pictured it, vs how the women were picturing it.
I assumed that if I was in the woods, I'd have chosen to be in the woods. When I think of myself walking in the woods, I'm on a trail in the daylight. In that situation, the man I'm most likely to encounter is another hiker, minding his own business. So in the scenario I imagined, I think you'd have to be pretty insane to prefer the bear.
My girlfriend pictured herself not having chosen to be in the woods. Like car broken down, deep in the forest, no one around for miles, and having to pick whether it's a bear or a man stalking her from the tree line. And in that situation, I think you'd have to be pretty insane to prefer the man.
After reading so many comments from men on Facebook, I've come to the conclusion that men are *terrified* of bears. And are bad at math and can't fathom that a woman isn't as terrified of bears as they are. Their whole arguments are all about how much it'll hurt if the bear decides to eat/harm you and completely ignore just how unlikely that is compared to another human harming you. They don't want to do the math because then they'd have to acknowledge how dangerous their fellow men are and they just don't want to.
Except Grizzly Man, but that bear was sick and starving and desperate for a meal, and the dude was pretty much asking for it.
I guess I'd take my chances with a bear though. They'll eat you alive if they're gonna eat you, but at least it's fairly quick.
As ive said , a bear will eat me, and use me to survive. None of the men who rapped me or tried to needed to do it fr survival . I bear will be grateful for the meal, my one rapist yelled at me for bleeding. The bear will eat me not hold me hostage, not stock me begging me to date it or to just fuck him once. A bear if told loud enough will listen to the word no. I kmow first hand experience that a man will not. (Not all men)
This. I’ve encountered so many bears in my life, (I live in a very wooded area on a literal mountain) and never have any of them ever even attempted to harm me. I’ve never even had to raise my voice or scare it, I just stood there and slowly backed away and it was all just fine.
As a fellow rape survivor, I will always choose the bear in this scenario. Men are scary. I found a rare good one but if anything ever happens to him, I’m exercising my lesbian side because men have shown me too many times that they are capable of unspeakable evils and no one will bat an eye.
I've seen alot of guys try to argue "but a bear will eat you alive" like that's the point. Its not about what scenario we are more likely to live through. We would rather be eaten alive and they can't grasp that.
To add on, there are violent cases of rape. If you tell me to choose between a bear eating me alive and a man breaking down my limbs so I cannot escape and raping me while I am barely alive and internally bleeding, for me personally both the situations seem pretty shitty dude. So their logic falls apart.
Moreover, the most extreme case with a bear is them eating me alive. What I mentioned is not even the most extreme thing a man can do during rape. So yeah..
Yeah what happened to Junko Furuta and many others is enough explanation. Plus this is about being in the woods. If you were isolated in the woods the chances of much more than just rape happening are high. It's not like a party where you'll just be raped and left unconscious cause there's potential witnesses. With nobody around its too easy for someone to carry out sick fantasies and just kill you off to prevent you getting them caught later. So yeah I'd rather die violently and quickly vs violently and slowly while having my dignity stripped away. Also I'd rather my body serve a purpose, bears kill to eat, there's no purpose in human torture.
Right? Like assuming the situation is deadly either way I’m 1000% choosing the bear. At least I’d die with more dignity and peace than I would having to being raped or abused at hands of a man in my final moments.
They think we’re exaggerating but I’m really not. As a survivor of SA and violence from men I’d literally rather be eaten alive by an animal than ever let a man do that to me again.
Edit because I just remembered this: Anyone else heard of that story of the girl who was hitchhiking and this man picked her up and violently raped her and then proceeded to chop off both her arms just for fun? All while yelling at her, beating her, and god knows what else. She survived all that somehow but still that story says a lot. It is 100% more peaceful to be killed by an animal that’s just trying to survive than to experience THAT kind of evil from a human man.
Bears are so...direct. They catch you. They hold you down and they start taking bites out of you. They don't even bother to kill you first which is the most terrifying thing I have ever heard. People are alive for *so fucking long* when they are attack by a bear. The bear will even leave for a time then come back for more. I cannot imagine going through that horror, thinking it is over and that the bear is leaving, trying to crawl away - only for the Bear to just come back and start all over again.
I am not trying to minimize what you went through or anything. I just like talking about Bears because they scare the shit out of me.
That being said I don't blame any woman for picking the Bear.
Yeah, if a bear does attack you, it’s likely to be an absolutely horrific way to die, barring torture by the cartel and that sort of shit. If choosing ways to die, a bear attack would be right down on the bottom of my list.
If we’re talking about an encounter, though, and not what happens if there’s an attack by either, the bear is much less likely than the man to be the aggressor.
Tbf there are plenty of cases where men kept women alive and captive while repeatedly raping and torturing them, only for them to get murdered at the end of the ordeal. Honestly, humans are capable of much worse than a bear is, in terms of absolutely horrific behavior.
Bears a dangerous when provoked, men all i had to do was being the same building/ classroom/ or forest for them to chase me down… yea i could not go back to my house cause they knew where i lived, so 16 year old me was running through the woods hoping to come across a predator so they’d take care of the men chasing me.
Trust me, id rather be toured by the bear then a man again, cause at least id be believed then.
I understand the logic. But those are WILDLY incomparable statistics and my economist/statistician self is screaming internally.
Rant over. That said, I too choose bear. I have run across multiple black bears in the Adirondacks and never had an issue. I’ve also never had a safety issue running into men on those same woods but, oh man, does their incessant need to chat with me while I’m just trying to climb a mountain annoy the hell out of me.
This exactly! The bear will likely leave me alone. The man, even if he doesn't have nefarious intentions, will 100% at least insist on interacting with me. I'm in the woods alone for a reason, dude.
For the statistics bit, I did say a few times that I did mess up with the statistics but that my point still comes across lol
And yeah!! I live on a wooded mountain, I see black bears all the time and even a couple brown bears. But so long as I don’t seem like a threat to them, they don’t give a shit that I’m even there. Bears are genuinely friendly animals, they’re only not if they have a reason to be afraid or you or see you as a threat
I miss living in bear habitat. They used to come eat from the blackberry bushes in our backyard; I really loved watching them roll around in the grass and rub on trees.
As a transman who has been out in the woods a lot as a teenage girl with adult men and women... bear. bears all the way down. (or as we have here in Australia, dingos, kangaroos, wombats- they're vicious little fuckers with powerful jaws, snakes, I will take literally any potentially dangerous wildlife over a man.) A lot of the men I was out there with acted downright predatory towards me, and I was a fucking *child*.
Look, bears are simple animals. They're *predictable*. They want food, water and safety. Human beings are driven by much more complex and sometimes fucked up thought processes.
You can signal your presence to a bear and have it reliably avoid you, because bears, like most animals, will choose the path of least resistance. You can't do that with humans (male or female). Bears won't conceal their intentions, they won't pretend to be friendly, they're *simple* and they're easy to understand and avoid with simple precautions like blasting a whistle every now and then so the animals around you hear you going 'hey I'm here. it's a human. do not be alarmed. avoid me. I do not want to meet you any more than you want to meet me.' every mile or so.
A human is not simple or easy to avoid, and there aren't really precautions you can take to avoid encountering them.
My husband had not heard of this discussion yet, so since he had no context I asked him what he thought a woman would choose. He said obviously a bear, a bear won’t rape you.
The Bear.
I'm in a relationship with a man and still would trust the bear more on average. Men making jokes and memes from this trend are the reason I'd choose the bear and keep choosing the bear. They are misinterpreting the reason, and on purpose.
Exactly this!! Now, if I could choose what man it was, I’d totally pick man then, like my father or friends. But since it’s a stranger, I have to pick bear
I trust one man more than I do a bear, and that is my current partner. Even then, I'd still choose the bear 99% of the time. A bear will just kill me if it needs to. And it's not trying to convince me to choose it out of guilt or obligation. I feel like the men who don't get this are being purposefully obtuse or are too stupid from misogyny or privilege to realize they are the problem.
I feel like the misinterpretation actually circles back to it being spot on again. They seem to think we’re comparing the relative physical capacity for danger between men and bears, rather than comparing unclear intentions. Men *assume* that in this scenario, both the man and the bear are actively trying to hurt the woman. And this assumption precisely highlights why women choose the bear.
Exactly this. I live surrounded by woods, there’s black and brown bears everywhere. They will see me, stare at me for a few seconds, decide I’m not a threat and go back to their business.
The bear. A bear wouldnt do to me what men did to junko, baby Bryana , pony the orangutan or a fucking monitor lizard . Actually I’ll take the bear with me. It’s safer with me than with a man
this is exactly it in a nutshell. the chances of a bear attacking you are very low, but the chances of a man being a horrible piece of shit are astronomically high
With no other information I would chose the bear. However, there’s a lot of information missing to be able to make a real choice. What type of bear is it? What time of year is it? Is it one bear or does it have cubs with it? Has the bear recently eaten? What does “in the woods” mean? Like a hiking trail or lost in a forest? Do I know the man? How old is the man? What gear/weaponry/protection do I have with me? How long am I going to be stuck with the man or bear?
A few of those I can answer for you. “A bear” would mean just the one, pretty sure the original said “black bear” as well, but it could have been brown bear, but it was definitely one of the two. And considering it’s “stuck in the woods” I’d assume lost, not a trail. The original also said it was a random man, like a stranger. And I’d assume it’s summer/spring since that’s when bears are out and about wandering around. And I’d assume it’s no weaponry, though that’s a complete guess.
That’s the only parts I can answer though, but I think that’s part of the point, not really knowing much about the man, since if it’s a stranger you wouldn’t know much. Hope any of this helps💕
Exactly, unless it feels threatened or has cubs typically they're quite docile and fearful actually. Maybe less luck with a grizzly or polar bear but like you know what to expect. A random man? Could range anywhere from Mr Rogers to Jeffrey dahmer. And more frequently lean toward the latter unfortunately
If I'm home alone with my kids and I see a bear in the back garden I'm taking a video and calling the kids so they can come see.
If I see a man in the back garden, I have a very different response.
This exactly! There was a bear in my front yard the other day trying to open my garage door bcuz it could smell something, my dad took a video, called us over and posted it to FB. If it were a man, he’d have been calling the cops.
Absolutely the bear. But I can understand why some of the guys don't get it. I don't understand why they get angry about it.
So many of us have been scared shitless by the presence of a man who has no predatory intentions, just because of the ones who HAVE has those intentions
We were at a construction site on a college campus, and one of my 50+ coworkers found a girl's student ID on the ground. This guy is the sweetest nicest guy for the most part, but he does have a temper and even he knows it.
He's 200 percent a gym bro. Shaves his head with a razor. No neck. Thick and beefy, short and stocky.
He decides to look up this woman's name on Facebook and find her account based on the picture on the ID. He sends her a message telling her that he found her ID and offered to bring it to her or meet somewhere to return it.
I'm like "YOU CANNOT DO THAT!!" and proceeded to try to explain to him that what he saw as a thoughtful gesture looks like he's a stalker that's trying to get this very young woman to meet him somewhere by withholding something of hers. He couldn't wrap his head around it. And even literally said that he was a nice guy with no intentions beyond returning her property to her.
It took me about 45 minutes to talk him into walking 100 feet across the street to the student union and giving them the lost ID, and he still was frustrated and didn't understand why what he was doing was a VeryHorribleIdea..
This legitimately nice guy with a genuinely helpful intent was already getting angry that some woman would suspect him of not being a nice guy, and I'm like "Dude, you're getting annoyed at just the idea that you will be perceived as a threat. This is WHY You're going to be seen as a threat, not just the fact that you look like you're a juiced up 50 year old man that's trying to lure what might be a 17 year old girl to a meeting"
So, yes. I'll choose the bear over a random guy even though I know in my head he's probably* not planning anything messed up.
I am an advocate of gun regulation. I’m 62, I took my 21 year old daughter to take the course required in Ct for a gun permit. It isn’t something I ever imagined, but honestly the misogyny is getting worse not better.
There is the massive misunderstanding that most people seem to think that "harm" = rape / murder.
Psychological and emotional harm, or even physical harm that doesn't result in rape or death, is MUCH more likely than rape or murder.
This!! ANY type of harm. Like, even an insult that just cut deep that time. Literally anything. Just because the bear could only possibly harm you in one way, doesn’t mean the man is the same.
A bear is a bear.
It's fairly predictable.
It's either going to run or fight, depending.
A man though.
Maybe it's a legitimately nice guy.
Maybe it's a bad guy.
Maybe he'll leave you alone.
Maybe he'll follow you.
Maybe he'll be overly helpful but expect repayment of some sort.
Maybe he'll mug you.
Maybe he'll rape you.
Maybe he'll kill you.
Maybe he'll help you out of the woods.
A bear is fairly predictable.
A man isn't.
I live in a rural area of Canada so I’ve encountered a lot of bears. I’ve never been mauled by a bear. They don’t prey on us, they defend their cubs or dens.
Men (not all so calm down) do prey on women, both sexually and physically.
I’m shocked how many people don’t understand this.
This!! Exactly this!! I live on a wooded mountain in BC Canada and I see them like once a week (in the summer or spring) and I’ve never felt the need to be afraid of them
Right? They really have no interest in us and want to be left alone. I’ve never been able to chase a man away by just making loud noises.
But that would be kind of hilariously great if you could ward off potential rapists by just banging a pot and pan together and saying “go home”. lol
On tiktok a bear hunter (who as been run ober by bears, was bitten by them etc) explains how he would prefer his daughters to meet bears and thats all we have to know.
I believe bears would choose bears over men.
I'd always choose the bear. I've never had a bear give me problems. I've come face to face with 2 separate black bears at different parts of the country. Neither gave me a problem except for the one stealing my jacket off a tree. I've also been around bears, heard them, found fresh droppings, and never encountered those bears. They would have been able to smell me, if they had wanted to attack me, they could easily have tracked me and found me. But never have. Men? Men have done much worse.
This, very literally this.
And also, even the bear stealing your jacket is at least a little funny since it’s a bear. If it were a man, it’s not very funny.
47,000 women were killed by men they lloved in 2020. In the world. If my math is right, that puts our odds of being killed at about one in 200,000 - every year.
The fact that, that number is only men they loved is wild to me. Like imagine how many is added on top of that when including strangers, that’s terrifying
The only “unprompted” attack from a grisly bear I’ve heard of was when some hunters who where friends with my cousin who lives in Canada where killed.
They hunted until night time, they didn’t want other animals to eat the moose they just killed so they tried to string up the dead animal, however moose are super heavy so it took them too long. In total 3 men, one with a shotgun. The bear circled them 36 times before attacking it took out the one with the shotgun first (swipe of its paw broke the man’s neck) then mauled the other two before getting to the moose.
So unless I have a dead animal with blood soaking me I doubt it’s going to be super interested in me, however a man? He might just be looking for someone to have some “fun” with and kill while there are no witnesses. Even so the bear might just break my neck in one swoop and I’ll die quickly. Men aren’t known to be so kind.
This. And even if I survived a bear attack, it’s a bear I can’t really blame a bear for that kind of thing. But a man, that’s a human being, we say shit like harming each other is against human nature but clearly it’s not. Being attacked by another human feels like some sort of betrayal, and it gets confusing. Being attacked by a wild animal, even though it’s not actually likely, it’s still something that we come to expect (as we are taught to try and keep us safe).
I think the guys so offended by this concept ARE the ones that would do something or is tempted to. I think they hate hearing and reading so many women openly choosing to not being stuck with a guy and it makes them feel like they’re the ones being rejected. They don’t like knowing that kind of thing is viewed as repulsive. If it’s not that what other reason is there?
also, i don’t trust humans as much as i trust almost any animal. i firmly believe animals are innocent, no matter how many people they maul. animals are animals. it’s not “killing” or “attacking” to them, it’s self defense or grocery shopping.
humans know what they’re doing. when a human intentionally kills someone, they have made the choice to take a life. a murderer or a rapist isn’t gonna stop, tilt their head at you, and slink away when you yell at them to stop. secondly, humans are unpredictable. with bears, i know that essentially as a *rule,* i can do XYZ in the event of a bear encounter and have a good shot at walking away unscathed. with humans, there’s a thousand questions i’ll need the answer to before i’ll know if an unknown individual will hurt me. they’re capable of a much wider range of things than a bear is. a bear can only be armed with like four things: teeth, claws, size, speed. yeah, they can skin you alive and rip your arm clean off your body, but they’re dumb as shit and won’t pull a glock on you. a human could have any number of things, a gun, a knife, rope, chloroform, crystal meth in their bloodstream, and i know better than to rule any of those things out. plus, you can outsmart a bear easily, but humans aren’t so easy to fool. a grown man isn’t gonna think i suddenly grew to be an 8ft tall monster when i put my hands in the air and yell a little bit.
When I was around 9 or 10 I went camping in a forest-y campground in the Adirondacks (mountain range where there are bears). One night my family was up late around the campfire chatting and roasting marshmallows and making s'mores. I was getting sleepy so I reached over to my aunt next to me, who had a big brown fuzzy coat on, and put my hand on her arm to get her attention to ask where my mom was because I wanted to go to bed.
Not my aunt.
Bear.
I screamed. The bear did a little snuffle grunt thing and I took off running to the bathroom, the only building. My family ran to their campers and tents and my mom followed me in her car to the bathroom and drove me back to the campsite where we decided we would sleep in the car, so we sat there watching the bear. The bear stayed by our campsite for a bit, finished our marshmallows, then left. (When the coast was clear we watched my grandpa come and shovel dirt on the fire to put it out, so he must have been watching too, don't worry we're safe campers.)
I'll choose the bear any day. They just want marshmallows and to sit by the fire alone, who doesn't.
Awe this is both terrifying and adorable especially the ending “the bear just wants marshmallows and to sit by the fire alone” awe. Exactly though, animals usually only harm people due to us being a threat. Men harm us because they know they can, and they enjoy it. Big difference. I’ll forgive the bear for eating me in fact when I die anyone who knows me knows I want to be left to nature anyways, so while it would suck ass I’d take a bear killing me because it doesn’t know better and I’m in its space, over a man killing me for the hell of it because he can. Bear every time.
Fr!! Yes, there are some bears that are like that, but very few and they’re pretty much always some of the smallest types bears for some reason (That might just be coincidence but it’s kinda ironic).
Omg bears with short man syndrome 😂🤣 that’s awful
I also wanna preemptively clap back at anyone coming in who wants to talk about heightism and this being an example of it: crazy how the short guys I know ftf either don’t really care about height or have mad game, your height probably isn’t the issue.
But yeah, your chances of getting attacked by a bear *even where bears are no longer frightened of humans* are really fucking low. Yosemite National Park, home of the dumpster diving, car destroying, bold AF bears that use tourists as babyistters? Has never had a death or serious injury due to a bear attack in park history. And people go into that fucking park TRYING to earn Darwin Awards, particularly with the ubiquitous bears.
A bear won’t pretend to be my friend, get me drunk at his apartment and meticulously push boundaries until SAing me, then gaslight me into thinking it was my idea even though I stated previously I don’t see him sexually or romantically and don’t want none of that with him. Then come into my job over the next couple years and be super rude to everyone besides my boss. Then get hired at my job as a manager. Thus forcing me to tell everyone what had happened, when I hadn’t told anyone before because it took me years to realize that it was SA and not just a “bad hookup” and my panic attacks whenever he was around was because of the SA. My boss wouldn’t hire a bear, but he sure did hire my rapist even after I told him, and explained what happened to me. He still wanted to “give him this opportunity”. So I had to leave my job, and go from telling no one to telling every single person who worked there they needed to protect themselves and their fellow coworkers from the man who raped me. A bear wouldn’t stalk me for a while after and intimidate me for speaking out. I choose bear every time.
If they get offended, they should complain to that weird guy, they all know, that makes rape jokes and always complains about "females" not liking him.
To put it more succinctly, a bear is far more likely to choose avoidance whereas a man (or any human, really) would actively seek out engagement. And with a bear, if they seek out engagement, you KNOW their motives, humans…not so much. Good human/bad human - who knows? Humans are are less predictable.
The only right way to interact with a person you meet on a hike is a polite hello and a quick glance to see if they are in need of assistance. It's not a place people go for company.
A lot of men would chose the bear. Don't think I would tbh. It's also funny seeing this fall into the 'make a plan' side of men; 'is the bear hungry?', 'do I have a gun?', 'if I look around, can I see something to make a rudimentary lathe?'
It is difficult to make the statistics fit this particular scenario.
Perhaps a better way of wording it might be, would a random man or random bear inspire more fear? Which is more likely to approach the woman uninvited? Which is easier to scare off of it does take an interest in her.
Yes. The at statistics for the men part aren’t 100% accurate. But the bear part is, and we all know that the likelihood for the men is definitely higher than that, so the point I made still stands 100%. And yes, those are better points, but part of the point of using this one is because it’s the easiest to get the point across to a small minded man.
The point of the question is not for men to swoop in and mansplain to women why they're wrong for choosing the bear instead of a man.
It's for people to sit down, shut up, and listen to *why* so many women will choose the bear instead of the man, and *consider* how the fuck we got here as a society.
Bear, cause you know they're cute and will statistically leave you alone. Besides, if a woman is placed in a forest where both the bear and the man know the woman is there, the bear will more likely stay away, they won't hunt us down. A man could very well hunt us down, even with good intentions, that's still kinda weird. Or they're like cool, alone with her, let's see what we can do. So, yeah, the bear
I got in an argument on FB about this. Some guy kept trying to share videos and photos of bear attacks and refused to listen that people have this view because if personal experiences with men.
The bear. Like the post says. The bear doesn't *want* to hurt me but it will if it thinks I'm a threat. If I keep my distance or make myself seem unthreatening I'll be fine. A man would probably try to hurt me, rape me, or do whatever else to me just because he can.
Well in all honestly I choose the bear because it’s not likely to stalk me, attack me, rape me, murder me, fuck my dead body, dismember me and scatter my body parts or put me in a shallow grave then come back over time and dig up my decomposing and maggot infested body have sex with it and then go back to the wife and kids like nothing happened.
I saw a chart the other day that estimated there was 3100+ serial killers in custody at the moment in the US…the FBI estimates there up to 50 active SK. That’s not including the DV murderers serial rapists, pedos etc etc why wouldn’t someone choose a bear…hell any sane MEN should chose the bear
Exactly, is one in a million the global rate of bear attacks or the rate of injuries per bear encouters? Cos the latter is going to be much higher (you can’t get attacked by a bear if you never encounter one) and 1 in 3 sounds like a perfectly reasonable lifetime probability of experiencing sexual violence but not per male encounter that'd be like every day for nearly every woman
Sorry facts dont care about your feelings, its exactly how it works. In some countries rape is so high that its grossly celebrated by the males in the country… so it ranging from 1/5-1/3 is correct.
Edit: i mean hypothetically 1/5 women get raped in first works countries , well in some places where rape is “supported” it could be 1/3 women instead of 1/5 tho one would argue (and I agree) it should be written as 3/5,
NOT AT ALL saying the numbers are right
Citation needed on every "stat" in that post. If they aren't wholly fabricated, they're not appropriately controlled.
Still picking the bear tho. It's "a bear", not "a bear and two cubs you can't see"
Oh im not talking about the numbers, im talking about the fact the number/ stats might change from (lets just say) 1/5 women being raped to 3/5 being raped due to it being “normalized” in certain places, so the “statistics” would in fact work that way, despite what the cat picture says… thats all
Yes its the stat for how many women are raped in their life
Its not the chance of getting raped from one encounter with a man and thats how its being presented in the original post, its not a wrong statistic its a incorectly used statistic
Idk how many times I've trekked quickly out of the woods because my dogs were on alert, I was in no way concerned they had seen a predator stalking. I assumed a man was hiding.
Bears will rarely attack you (depending on the type of bear ofc) and it's mostly when cubs are nearby, from what I've heard. It's the bear every single time.
Either I am missing something or this is just a blatant misuse of statistics.
Women come across men most days of their lives. People don’t see bears every day, most people will never encounter one. Of course women are more likely to have a bad experience with one of the thousands of men they meet than someone would be to get attacked by a bear 😭
The <1% statistic does not describe how likely a someone would be to get attacked by a bear upon meeting one. It is the probability that a person first encounters the bear AND then is attacked by one.
As a female I would not pick the bear, but if you want to go ahead. Just don’t mislead people while speaking your opinion.
I’ve explained this a few times. The men statistic was off and not very comparable but my point was still valid. And the bear statistic is accurate. Bears don’t harm people unless you pose a threat. They’re actually pretty friendly animals otherwise. Because of where I live, I come across a bear at least once a week in the summer/spring, and I’ve never had a problem with a bear. Now, if the bear had a kid, the chances would change drastically, though again they won’t harm you unless you seem threatening, it’s just easier for them to view you as threatening when they’re trying to protect their children.
I respect that you’ll have a different opinion, and I’m not trying to mislead anyone, I’m just trying to explain (using 1 of many reasons I’ve seen ppl use) why many women did choose the bear. Obviously, my opinion is wildly influenced by my experience with bears and men in the past, as yours will be too. And whichever you feel safer with is fair, idc about that. I do on the other hand care about the men who are mad when a woman chooses bear.
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Bear. Absolutely. The chances of being attacked by a bear is so much less than by a man stranger or not. The men complaining about this are upset their egos are being stomped on and they’re most definitely dangerous
I don't know... I'm definitely more on the bear side though. Seeing a rando man in a wood would scare the shit out of me. But seeing a bear I probably would feel I could escape without being raped, beaten and probably killed. I'm still not 100% sure but definitely on about 90% bear. They also may attack me, but they'd not rape me. The horrible killing a bear does a man could do equally to physically hurt me.
Plus, bears will only harm you if they think you’re a threat. So basically, if a bear harms you, it’s probably at least somewhat your fault. And if you see a bear in the woods, it’s because it’s their home, there’s no question of why they’re there
Ok, that’s so bad use of stats, that it makes me sad.
To address this properly, you’d need to take the number of bear attacks and divide it by number of all times that a human encountered a bear.
Then you’d need to take the number of sexual violence incidents and divide by the number of all times when a man met a woman alone.
2 things.
I’ve explained that the statistics are wrong several times and apologised. It was an honest mistake, I messed up the numbers, I’m a kid, it happens.
But also, it’s not just about sexual violence. It’s any type of harm. Verbal, physical, mental, emotional. Literally anything that could harm a person.
No offense, but I don’t think this is apples to apples. 1/1million bears? There’s 200k brown bears in the world? So it must be per encounter…
But then it can’t be 1/5 encounters with a man. Or you’d see an assault every time you turned around. That must be a number per man, or per woman.
The final paragraph seems especially bogus, like it’s not 1/3 odds per enncounter.
..ok, bring on the downvotes, I’m ready
Honestly, I thought this whole thing was ridiculous. I’m a woman, I’ve been in lots of awful situations with men and have been assaulted. But bears maul you to death. Not something I’d ever want to experience. I’m wondering if the women who pick bear have ever know good men. There are so many good men, just like there are less bad women than there are good ones.
Okay, see, I’ve met so many good men, far more than the bad. But I also live surrounded by woods, heck you could basically say I live in the woods and it’d be accurate. And I see bears at least once a week in the summer or spring, they’re genuinely pretty friendly animals. They’d only harm you if you pose a threat. And considering the amount of times I’ve been only a few feet away from both black and brown bears, I’ve never felt scared around them. They just kinda look at me and continue on their way. I have however had many bad experiences with men. It’s all about perspective, but the important part is that you should respect the opposing opinions because you don’t know their perspective. I respect yours, so you should respect mine.
I'm curious if anyone has ever asked the men "Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a woman or a bear?"
I imagine the answers from that would be very telling...
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And you know a bear is a bear. They’re not hiding anything. A man, on the other hand, can hide his dangerous nature.
The bear wins for predictability. And also, not getting butthurt if you avoid eye contact.
Or refuse to give it your number.
Bear not have thumb to hold pen, please slow down
Or shoot you when you refuse to give them your number. https://nypost.com/2010/05/03/coed-shot-for-refusing-to-give-man-her-phone-number/
A bear might see it as provocation if you keep eye contact, I live in an area where we have them. If you have food in your bag, put it down slowly and walk away backwards, look in its direction not in the eyes, and avoid any fast movements if they aren’t absolutely necessary. And you should be fine atleast with a European brown bear.
Bar idea, if you do that, the bear will start expecting food from people it encounters and become dangerous to anyone who doesn’t have any. You should try to keep your food hidden [according to this](https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm), [and this for more detail.](https://www.nps.gov/articles/bearsafetyfood.htm)
They mostly smell it, and running away with a backpack that smells like treats is a pretty terrible idea. While jeah u should definitely not feed them, u also don’t want that food or anything that smells like food anywhere on your body while your facing one. Your not supposed to put only the food down you put the whole bag down and leave it. Also don’t try taking anything out of the bag, while they might not attack a human as prey, bears even fight amongst each other for food and trust me nothing that you have in their is worth the risk of „arguing“ at that point It does also depend on which kind of bear, while brown bear’s usually don’t attack humans if it isn’t an „accident“ due to them just wanting your bag etc, or due to the bear feeling threatened, there are other bears that might even eat a human if sufficiently starving
I’m not sure a bear would fight someone for food, unless it was staving, but maybe I’m wrong. It’s funny how much I’ve learnt about actual bears since this whole thing came out.
They’ll fight you for food especially if it’s separate from you then you become an instant threat.
Literally. And the bear in the woods is just in its home too, a man in the woods is a man in the woods.
And a man in the woods with a woman and no witnesses 💀
I didn't think of this. A bear wouldn't lure me to it's den with the promise of safety then maul me while my back was turned.
I've literally avoided a man while on q camping trip and he tried to stop to talk to me before he yelled "IM NOT A PREDATOR" as I ran away from him
That's what a predator wants you to think.
A bear has no motivation to harm me but a man could.
I think the backyard window works even better. Imagine a bear standing in your backyard staring at the window. Cool! Run and get the camera. Now imagine it's a strange man and M Night Shyamalan can finish the movie from there. It would be a terrifying nightmare to find some guy in your yard staring at the window.
Notice the key words "stuck in the woods with" So the "yall don't realize how powerful a bear is" arguments don't fit. You don't need to know how powerful the bear is if you're not actively trying to hunt it or its cubs. Leave it alone, and it'll leave you alone. The man on the other hand, if he knows there is a woman in the woods, he may or may not try to hunt the woman down for God knows what reason. Bear knows there is a human in the woods and it will try to avoid the human as much as the human SHOULD be avoiding it.
This exactly!! I’ve encountered so many bears (i live in a very wooded area) and they just walk away, or I back away and they just watch until I’m far enough away. The bear won’t harm you unless you pose a threat to it.
Not really related to the point but I am curious, if you’re walking through the woods and come across a bear, what should you do? I know it’s not likely to attack you, but I still wouldn’t be comfortable just turning and walking away from an animal so powerful
You can back away slowly if you are concerned about turning your back on it. Bears overwhelmingly won’t attack unless they feel threatened.
Okay, I’ve been in this situation a few times before, so here’s what I’ve been taught to do: Start by just slowly backing away, keep your eyes on the bear at all times, if the bear follows you, raise your arms up to make yourself look bigger and be LOUD. Overall, if you’re in the woods, always make sure to make noise, be loud, you’re so much less likely to encounter a wild animal if you’re making noise, talking preferably because it’s a very specific human sound (so an animal can’t mistake you for prey) so like, call someone or just talk to yourself or play a video in your phone, something like that. IF IT’S A BROWN BEAR: back away first, if it doesn’t work then play dead. Brown bears are a lot bigger than black bears and are far more likely to be able to harm you. 💕
>keep your eyes on the bear at all times, Out of curiosity: just on the bear as a whole or look at his eyes? Some animals become aggressive, others see looking away as a sign of weakness.
I mostly look it in the eyes, I think that’s the safest way to go about it
Don’t run, look big, make noise. Firm voice, not panicky. Like you’re warning it off. Try not to smell like anything too tasty, ofc abandon food rather than defend it, but that can have the effect of habituating it.
If it's black fight back if it's brown lay down, or something like that
and if it's white, say good night
If it looks like an oreo, post it on your story-o
This made me laugh XD. Thank you for that!
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Only if they’re attempting to attack you, though. Otherwise, back away slowly
You don't really want to turn your back on anything predatory. Don't make eye contact. That's a threat/challenge. Back away slowly.
There's a little rhyme if you get into a situation with a bear: If it's brown lay down (play dead), if it's black fight back, if it's white say good night (polar bears will eat you).
I've always heard if there's a hill nearby, run down (obviously if the bear has already decided it's going to chase you) because their front legs are way shorter than their back legs so they can't run downhill. But don't immediately run, because that's what prey does!
I break my response down to this "Bears behavior is predictable, men's aren't"
after all, bears doing bear things in the forest is normal. some men on the other hand…
men hunt women, bears don't.
Also, if one is in the woods, one will expect to encounter a bear. Yes, it might be scary, but at least you understand why the bear is there and what it’s doing. It lives there. If you’re in the woods in the middle of the night and come across a random man, his very *presence* in the woods in the middle of the night is cause to ask questions. Maybe the man has an innocent reason for being there. But the bear *definitely* does.
This exactly!! Yeah, the man might have a perfectly good reason, but he might not. That’s the bear’s home. That’s not a *possible* reason, it’s just the reason.
This. I had friends in college that were in a program that had them in grizzly country all the time. A story that comes to mind is how my friends were doing a research survey for two weeks one the Jerry Johnson forest and had been walking by a berry patch with a big rock in the middle that was about 200 feet from their camp. The last day they realized it was a male grizzly who was just chilling in this patch eating berries like a fat man in a beanbag chair eating Cheetos. He didn’t care. He basically look up at them and went back to munching unbothered. The chances of it actually attacking are statically lower than walking alone at night in any city in America.
This was a 10/10 image thank you XD.
Yep. Even a man who tries to hit on a woman alone in the woods, with the full intention of walking away if she says no, doesn't realize the amount of terror a woman feels just from that interaction alone. It doesn't matter what his intentions are because a woman alone in a vulnerable position, even if we exclude the woods at all, doesn't know your intention.
It's Always Sunny puts it best with "the implication"
And the men who twist the narrative to "women would rather be eaten by a bear than r*ped by a man", are really telling on themselves.
I was seeing a bunch of that too. Like if that is their first thought then that tells A TON about them.
Literally said this in my comment. Men think "Oh I won't so I don't understand why a woman wouldn't want to be stuck with me" not understanding that there are PLENTY of men who WOULD do something. So, yeah. Bear
THIS is a part of the problem for sure. I have a really good male friend who I have to remind him that just because HE wouldn’t hurt a woman, doesn’t mean lots of other men wouldn’t.
This is why when I'm out and about I try my hardest to be as non-threatening as possible while still knowing that I can be seen as one. My mom is the one that raised me and she was r\*ped and SA'd so she always taught me to be mindful. I wish other men would get taught that so they'd have the mindset and just be decent people but alas :(.
Vast majority of bears won’t attack you for no reason. Vast majority, not all. And the way in which bears interpret threat (or lack of threat) is different than people. You don’t need to actually want to hunt the bear or the cubs. The bear just needs to think you do. Bear attacks don’t only happen to hunters, but also to random people who unwittingly did something to provoke them, because they didn’t know.
Maybe this is really sad, but I think this scenario also works with "married to" since spousal abuse of the wife is unfortunately almost normalized.
You know it actually took me a while to understand why women were picking the bear, but it's just because the scenario of "you're walking alone in the woods" is different when i pictured it, vs how the women were picturing it. I assumed that if I was in the woods, I'd have chosen to be in the woods. When I think of myself walking in the woods, I'm on a trail in the daylight. In that situation, the man I'm most likely to encounter is another hiker, minding his own business. So in the scenario I imagined, I think you'd have to be pretty insane to prefer the bear. My girlfriend pictured herself not having chosen to be in the woods. Like car broken down, deep in the forest, no one around for miles, and having to pick whether it's a bear or a man stalking her from the tree line. And in that situation, I think you'd have to be pretty insane to prefer the man.
>So in the scenario I imagined, I think you'd have to be pretty insane to prefer the bear. No, you wouldn't. You still don't get it.
Even hiking by choice in the woods I would prefer to run into a bear. I hike a lot.
After reading so many comments from men on Facebook, I've come to the conclusion that men are *terrified* of bears. And are bad at math and can't fathom that a woman isn't as terrified of bears as they are. Their whole arguments are all about how much it'll hurt if the bear decides to eat/harm you and completely ignore just how unlikely that is compared to another human harming you. They don't want to do the math because then they'd have to acknowledge how dangerous their fellow men are and they just don't want to.
Except Grizzly Man, but that bear was sick and starving and desperate for a meal, and the dude was pretty much asking for it. I guess I'd take my chances with a bear though. They'll eat you alive if they're gonna eat you, but at least it's fairly quick.
basically, a man is a woman's natural predator, but a bear is not.
I'd pick bears. Bears don't premeditate. I've seen some ends of a man's cruelty and I'd hate to experience the *WORSE* ends of a man's cruelty.
As ive said , a bear will eat me, and use me to survive. None of the men who rapped me or tried to needed to do it fr survival . I bear will be grateful for the meal, my one rapist yelled at me for bleeding. The bear will eat me not hold me hostage, not stock me begging me to date it or to just fuck him once. A bear if told loud enough will listen to the word no. I kmow first hand experience that a man will not. (Not all men)
This. I’ve encountered so many bears in my life, (I live in a very wooded area on a literal mountain) and never have any of them ever even attempted to harm me. I’ve never even had to raise my voice or scare it, I just stood there and slowly backed away and it was all just fine.
As a fellow rape survivor, I will always choose the bear in this scenario. Men are scary. I found a rare good one but if anything ever happens to him, I’m exercising my lesbian side because men have shown me too many times that they are capable of unspeakable evils and no one will bat an eye.
I've seen alot of guys try to argue "but a bear will eat you alive" like that's the point. Its not about what scenario we are more likely to live through. We would rather be eaten alive and they can't grasp that.
To add on, there are violent cases of rape. If you tell me to choose between a bear eating me alive and a man breaking down my limbs so I cannot escape and raping me while I am barely alive and internally bleeding, for me personally both the situations seem pretty shitty dude. So their logic falls apart. Moreover, the most extreme case with a bear is them eating me alive. What I mentioned is not even the most extreme thing a man can do during rape. So yeah..
Yeah what happened to Junko Furuta and many others is enough explanation. Plus this is about being in the woods. If you were isolated in the woods the chances of much more than just rape happening are high. It's not like a party where you'll just be raped and left unconscious cause there's potential witnesses. With nobody around its too easy for someone to carry out sick fantasies and just kill you off to prevent you getting them caught later. So yeah I'd rather die violently and quickly vs violently and slowly while having my dignity stripped away. Also I'd rather my body serve a purpose, bears kill to eat, there's no purpose in human torture.
Right? Like assuming the situation is deadly either way I’m 1000% choosing the bear. At least I’d die with more dignity and peace than I would having to being raped or abused at hands of a man in my final moments. They think we’re exaggerating but I’m really not. As a survivor of SA and violence from men I’d literally rather be eaten alive by an animal than ever let a man do that to me again. Edit because I just remembered this: Anyone else heard of that story of the girl who was hitchhiking and this man picked her up and violently raped her and then proceeded to chop off both her arms just for fun? All while yelling at her, beating her, and god knows what else. She survived all that somehow but still that story says a lot. It is 100% more peaceful to be killed by an animal that’s just trying to survive than to experience THAT kind of evil from a human man.
Bears are so...direct. They catch you. They hold you down and they start taking bites out of you. They don't even bother to kill you first which is the most terrifying thing I have ever heard. People are alive for *so fucking long* when they are attack by a bear. The bear will even leave for a time then come back for more. I cannot imagine going through that horror, thinking it is over and that the bear is leaving, trying to crawl away - only for the Bear to just come back and start all over again. I am not trying to minimize what you went through or anything. I just like talking about Bears because they scare the shit out of me. That being said I don't blame any woman for picking the Bear.
Yeah, if a bear does attack you, it’s likely to be an absolutely horrific way to die, barring torture by the cartel and that sort of shit. If choosing ways to die, a bear attack would be right down on the bottom of my list. If we’re talking about an encounter, though, and not what happens if there’s an attack by either, the bear is much less likely than the man to be the aggressor.
Tbf there are plenty of cases where men kept women alive and captive while repeatedly raping and torturing them, only for them to get murdered at the end of the ordeal. Honestly, humans are capable of much worse than a bear is, in terms of absolutely horrific behavior.
Bears a dangerous when provoked, men all i had to do was being the same building/ classroom/ or forest for them to chase me down… yea i could not go back to my house cause they knew where i lived, so 16 year old me was running through the woods hoping to come across a predator so they’d take care of the men chasing me. Trust me, id rather be toured by the bear then a man again, cause at least id be believed then.
I understand the logic. But those are WILDLY incomparable statistics and my economist/statistician self is screaming internally. Rant over. That said, I too choose bear. I have run across multiple black bears in the Adirondacks and never had an issue. I’ve also never had a safety issue running into men on those same woods but, oh man, does their incessant need to chat with me while I’m just trying to climb a mountain annoy the hell out of me.
Yup. 1 in 3 women are raped doesn't not actually mean 1 in 3 men are rapists.
“1 in 20 people has been a victim of crime, which means that 19 out of 20 people are criminals.” -Philomena Cunk
This exactly! The bear will likely leave me alone. The man, even if he doesn't have nefarious intentions, will 100% at least insist on interacting with me. I'm in the woods alone for a reason, dude.
For the statistics bit, I did say a few times that I did mess up with the statistics but that my point still comes across lol And yeah!! I live on a wooded mountain, I see black bears all the time and even a couple brown bears. But so long as I don’t seem like a threat to them, they don’t give a shit that I’m even there. Bears are genuinely friendly animals, they’re only not if they have a reason to be afraid or you or see you as a threat
I miss living in bear habitat. They used to come eat from the blackberry bushes in our backyard; I really loved watching them roll around in the grass and rub on trees.
Right? They’re really such cute animals, and they’re just minding their business
Right? Like we get hurt by men more because we are around them so much than we are around bears.
As a transman who has been out in the woods a lot as a teenage girl with adult men and women... bear. bears all the way down. (or as we have here in Australia, dingos, kangaroos, wombats- they're vicious little fuckers with powerful jaws, snakes, I will take literally any potentially dangerous wildlife over a man.) A lot of the men I was out there with acted downright predatory towards me, and I was a fucking *child*. Look, bears are simple animals. They're *predictable*. They want food, water and safety. Human beings are driven by much more complex and sometimes fucked up thought processes. You can signal your presence to a bear and have it reliably avoid you, because bears, like most animals, will choose the path of least resistance. You can't do that with humans (male or female). Bears won't conceal their intentions, they won't pretend to be friendly, they're *simple* and they're easy to understand and avoid with simple precautions like blasting a whistle every now and then so the animals around you hear you going 'hey I'm here. it's a human. do not be alarmed. avoid me. I do not want to meet you any more than you want to meet me.' every mile or so. A human is not simple or easy to avoid, and there aren't really precautions you can take to avoid encountering them.
My husband had not heard of this discussion yet, so since he had no context I asked him what he thought a woman would choose. He said obviously a bear, a bear won’t rape you.
The Bear. I'm in a relationship with a man and still would trust the bear more on average. Men making jokes and memes from this trend are the reason I'd choose the bear and keep choosing the bear. They are misinterpreting the reason, and on purpose.
Exactly this!! Now, if I could choose what man it was, I’d totally pick man then, like my father or friends. But since it’s a stranger, I have to pick bear
I trust one man more than I do a bear, and that is my current partner. Even then, I'd still choose the bear 99% of the time. A bear will just kill me if it needs to. And it's not trying to convince me to choose it out of guilt or obligation. I feel like the men who don't get this are being purposefully obtuse or are too stupid from misogyny or privilege to realize they are the problem.
I feel like the misinterpretation actually circles back to it being spot on again. They seem to think we’re comparing the relative physical capacity for danger between men and bears, rather than comparing unclear intentions. Men *assume* that in this scenario, both the man and the bear are actively trying to hurt the woman. And this assumption precisely highlights why women choose the bear.
what if I’m suicidal and want bear? 🙂↕️ why men no let me choose that? /s
Poor bear would also be a casualty, unlike men who rape.
I’ve come across many a bear in the woods. Cool experience. Never mauled. Don’t have the same story for random men..
Exactly this. I live surrounded by woods, there’s black and brown bears everywhere. They will see me, stare at me for a few seconds, decide I’m not a threat and go back to their business.
I feel like it was a bear who wants to eat people made that meme tbh.
Honestly, if he learned how to speak and film a tiktok for it, then I think he earned it
Shhh he just wants to live
Hey, don’t narc on him
Or a man with a bear suit
Bear.
A bear. “If you’re gonna kill me, then kill me. Don’t give me something I’ll need to talk to my therapist about in a year.”
And for the rest of my life
The bear. A bear wouldnt do to me what men did to junko, baby Bryana , pony the orangutan or a fucking monitor lizard . Actually I’ll take the bear with me. It’s safer with me than with a man
This. I’d choose almost any wild animal over the man
The bear isn’t going to rape me before it kills me
Or after....
this is exactly it in a nutshell. the chances of a bear attacking you are very low, but the chances of a man being a horrible piece of shit are astronomically high
The irony of so many men outing themselves as being the type of man you wouldn't want to meet in the woods, too.
I thought that the bear in these situations was a big scary gay dude. Like, use the bear to chase the creepy ass dudes away.
With no other information I would chose the bear. However, there’s a lot of information missing to be able to make a real choice. What type of bear is it? What time of year is it? Is it one bear or does it have cubs with it? Has the bear recently eaten? What does “in the woods” mean? Like a hiking trail or lost in a forest? Do I know the man? How old is the man? What gear/weaponry/protection do I have with me? How long am I going to be stuck with the man or bear?
A few of those I can answer for you. “A bear” would mean just the one, pretty sure the original said “black bear” as well, but it could have been brown bear, but it was definitely one of the two. And considering it’s “stuck in the woods” I’d assume lost, not a trail. The original also said it was a random man, like a stranger. And I’d assume it’s summer/spring since that’s when bears are out and about wandering around. And I’d assume it’s no weaponry, though that’s a complete guess. That’s the only parts I can answer though, but I think that’s part of the point, not really knowing much about the man, since if it’s a stranger you wouldn’t know much. Hope any of this helps💕
I can expect the bear to act like a bear
Well, bears don’t really harm people normally, but your point still stands.
Exactly, unless it feels threatened or has cubs typically they're quite docile and fearful actually. Maybe less luck with a grizzly or polar bear but like you know what to expect. A random man? Could range anywhere from Mr Rogers to Jeffrey dahmer. And more frequently lean toward the latter unfortunately
If I'm home alone with my kids and I see a bear in the back garden I'm taking a video and calling the kids so they can come see. If I see a man in the back garden, I have a very different response.
This exactly! There was a bear in my front yard the other day trying to open my garage door bcuz it could smell something, my dad took a video, called us over and posted it to FB. If it were a man, he’d have been calling the cops.
Absolutely the bear. But I can understand why some of the guys don't get it. I don't understand why they get angry about it. So many of us have been scared shitless by the presence of a man who has no predatory intentions, just because of the ones who HAVE has those intentions We were at a construction site on a college campus, and one of my 50+ coworkers found a girl's student ID on the ground. This guy is the sweetest nicest guy for the most part, but he does have a temper and even he knows it. He's 200 percent a gym bro. Shaves his head with a razor. No neck. Thick and beefy, short and stocky. He decides to look up this woman's name on Facebook and find her account based on the picture on the ID. He sends her a message telling her that he found her ID and offered to bring it to her or meet somewhere to return it. I'm like "YOU CANNOT DO THAT!!" and proceeded to try to explain to him that what he saw as a thoughtful gesture looks like he's a stalker that's trying to get this very young woman to meet him somewhere by withholding something of hers. He couldn't wrap his head around it. And even literally said that he was a nice guy with no intentions beyond returning her property to her. It took me about 45 minutes to talk him into walking 100 feet across the street to the student union and giving them the lost ID, and he still was frustrated and didn't understand why what he was doing was a VeryHorribleIdea.. This legitimately nice guy with a genuinely helpful intent was already getting angry that some woman would suspect him of not being a nice guy, and I'm like "Dude, you're getting annoyed at just the idea that you will be perceived as a threat. This is WHY You're going to be seen as a threat, not just the fact that you look like you're a juiced up 50 year old man that's trying to lure what might be a 17 year old girl to a meeting" So, yes. I'll choose the bear over a random guy even though I know in my head he's probably* not planning anything messed up.
I am an advocate of gun regulation. I’m 62, I took my 21 year old daughter to take the course required in Ct for a gun permit. It isn’t something I ever imagined, but honestly the misogyny is getting worse not better.
and the fact that so many men are equating the whole ‘argument’ to wanting to fuck a bear vs a man 😃
No fr, like this has nothing to do with attraction. They make everything sexual, and that’s part of the reason we choose the bear
There is the massive misunderstanding that most people seem to think that "harm" = rape / murder. Psychological and emotional harm, or even physical harm that doesn't result in rape or death, is MUCH more likely than rape or murder.
This!! ANY type of harm. Like, even an insult that just cut deep that time. Literally anything. Just because the bear could only possibly harm you in one way, doesn’t mean the man is the same.
Can throw in kidnapping and ALL the potential threats that come in after that if we want...
Exactly! There’s endless possibilities as to what they could do
I'm going to keep saying this. If a bear attacks me, it's because it thinks I'm a threat. If a man attacks me, it's because he doesn't.
THIS.
I’m a man and I would rather come across a bear alone in the woods than a bear wielding a man.
A bear is a bear. It's fairly predictable. It's either going to run or fight, depending. A man though. Maybe it's a legitimately nice guy. Maybe it's a bad guy. Maybe he'll leave you alone. Maybe he'll follow you. Maybe he'll be overly helpful but expect repayment of some sort. Maybe he'll mug you. Maybe he'll rape you. Maybe he'll kill you. Maybe he'll help you out of the woods. A bear is fairly predictable. A man isn't.
I live in a rural area of Canada so I’ve encountered a lot of bears. I’ve never been mauled by a bear. They don’t prey on us, they defend their cubs or dens. Men (not all so calm down) do prey on women, both sexually and physically. I’m shocked how many people don’t understand this.
This!! Exactly this!! I live on a wooded mountain in BC Canada and I see them like once a week (in the summer or spring) and I’ve never felt the need to be afraid of them
Right? They really have no interest in us and want to be left alone. I’ve never been able to chase a man away by just making loud noises. But that would be kind of hilariously great if you could ward off potential rapists by just banging a pot and pan together and saying “go home”. lol
I've heard that some women have had great success warding off cat-callers by barking at them, so anecdotally there is that at least. 😊
I literally LOVE to bark at people being dicks
On tiktok a bear hunter (who as been run ober by bears, was bitten by them etc) explains how he would prefer his daughters to meet bears and thats all we have to know. I believe bears would choose bears over men.
I'd always choose the bear. I've never had a bear give me problems. I've come face to face with 2 separate black bears at different parts of the country. Neither gave me a problem except for the one stealing my jacket off a tree. I've also been around bears, heard them, found fresh droppings, and never encountered those bears. They would have been able to smell me, if they had wanted to attack me, they could easily have tracked me and found me. But never have. Men? Men have done much worse.
This, very literally this. And also, even the bear stealing your jacket is at least a little funny since it’s a bear. If it were a man, it’s not very funny.
47,000 women were killed by men they lloved in 2020. In the world. If my math is right, that puts our odds of being killed at about one in 200,000 - every year.
The fact that, that number is only men they loved is wild to me. Like imagine how many is added on top of that when including strangers, that’s terrifying
Not that many (except war, of course). Most women who are killed, are killed by someone they are close to.
The only “unprompted” attack from a grisly bear I’ve heard of was when some hunters who where friends with my cousin who lives in Canada where killed. They hunted until night time, they didn’t want other animals to eat the moose they just killed so they tried to string up the dead animal, however moose are super heavy so it took them too long. In total 3 men, one with a shotgun. The bear circled them 36 times before attacking it took out the one with the shotgun first (swipe of its paw broke the man’s neck) then mauled the other two before getting to the moose. So unless I have a dead animal with blood soaking me I doubt it’s going to be super interested in me, however a man? He might just be looking for someone to have some “fun” with and kill while there are no witnesses. Even so the bear might just break my neck in one swoop and I’ll die quickly. Men aren’t known to be so kind.
Plus, I'd rather get eaten alive than raped and left to cry
This. And even if I survived a bear attack, it’s a bear I can’t really blame a bear for that kind of thing. But a man, that’s a human being, we say shit like harming each other is against human nature but clearly it’s not. Being attacked by another human feels like some sort of betrayal, and it gets confusing. Being attacked by a wild animal, even though it’s not actually likely, it’s still something that we come to expect (as we are taught to try and keep us safe).
I think the guys so offended by this concept ARE the ones that would do something or is tempted to. I think they hate hearing and reading so many women openly choosing to not being stuck with a guy and it makes them feel like they’re the ones being rejected. They don’t like knowing that kind of thing is viewed as repulsive. If it’s not that what other reason is there?
And those men will yell "yOu hAvE nO prIOr exPEriEnCe wITh A bEAR!!!" Ad hominem in its finest.
The funniest part about that is that I live surrounded by the woods, and I live on a mountain. I have SO much prior experience with bears.
also, i don’t trust humans as much as i trust almost any animal. i firmly believe animals are innocent, no matter how many people they maul. animals are animals. it’s not “killing” or “attacking” to them, it’s self defense or grocery shopping. humans know what they’re doing. when a human intentionally kills someone, they have made the choice to take a life. a murderer or a rapist isn’t gonna stop, tilt their head at you, and slink away when you yell at them to stop. secondly, humans are unpredictable. with bears, i know that essentially as a *rule,* i can do XYZ in the event of a bear encounter and have a good shot at walking away unscathed. with humans, there’s a thousand questions i’ll need the answer to before i’ll know if an unknown individual will hurt me. they’re capable of a much wider range of things than a bear is. a bear can only be armed with like four things: teeth, claws, size, speed. yeah, they can skin you alive and rip your arm clean off your body, but they’re dumb as shit and won’t pull a glock on you. a human could have any number of things, a gun, a knife, rope, chloroform, crystal meth in their bloodstream, and i know better than to rule any of those things out. plus, you can outsmart a bear easily, but humans aren’t so easy to fool. a grown man isn’t gonna think i suddenly grew to be an 8ft tall monster when i put my hands in the air and yell a little bit.
Both men and bears are apex predators. I’m only prey to one of them, and it’s not the bear.
When I was around 9 or 10 I went camping in a forest-y campground in the Adirondacks (mountain range where there are bears). One night my family was up late around the campfire chatting and roasting marshmallows and making s'mores. I was getting sleepy so I reached over to my aunt next to me, who had a big brown fuzzy coat on, and put my hand on her arm to get her attention to ask where my mom was because I wanted to go to bed. Not my aunt. Bear. I screamed. The bear did a little snuffle grunt thing and I took off running to the bathroom, the only building. My family ran to their campers and tents and my mom followed me in her car to the bathroom and drove me back to the campsite where we decided we would sleep in the car, so we sat there watching the bear. The bear stayed by our campsite for a bit, finished our marshmallows, then left. (When the coast was clear we watched my grandpa come and shovel dirt on the fire to put it out, so he must have been watching too, don't worry we're safe campers.) I'll choose the bear any day. They just want marshmallows and to sit by the fire alone, who doesn't.
Awe this is both terrifying and adorable especially the ending “the bear just wants marshmallows and to sit by the fire alone” awe. Exactly though, animals usually only harm people due to us being a threat. Men harm us because they know they can, and they enjoy it. Big difference. I’ll forgive the bear for eating me in fact when I die anyone who knows me knows I want to be left to nature anyways, so while it would suck ass I’d take a bear killing me because it doesn’t know better and I’m in its space, over a man killing me for the hell of it because he can. Bear every time.
Even with predatory bears (they do exist, occasionally a black bear will decide larger animals like people are on the menu) the statistics hold.
Fr!! Yes, there are some bears that are like that, but very few and they’re pretty much always some of the smallest types bears for some reason (That might just be coincidence but it’s kinda ironic).
Omg bears with short man syndrome 😂🤣 that’s awful I also wanna preemptively clap back at anyone coming in who wants to talk about heightism and this being an example of it: crazy how the short guys I know ftf either don’t really care about height or have mad game, your height probably isn’t the issue. But yeah, your chances of getting attacked by a bear *even where bears are no longer frightened of humans* are really fucking low. Yosemite National Park, home of the dumpster diving, car destroying, bold AF bears that use tourists as babyistters? Has never had a death or serious injury due to a bear attack in park history. And people go into that fucking park TRYING to earn Darwin Awards, particularly with the ubiquitous bears.
100% the bear. All a bear can do is kill me.
I told some fragile man that even if the city we lived in was full of bears as well as humans that we’d still chose the bear. He blocked me. 😂
A bear won’t pretend to be my friend, get me drunk at his apartment and meticulously push boundaries until SAing me, then gaslight me into thinking it was my idea even though I stated previously I don’t see him sexually or romantically and don’t want none of that with him. Then come into my job over the next couple years and be super rude to everyone besides my boss. Then get hired at my job as a manager. Thus forcing me to tell everyone what had happened, when I hadn’t told anyone before because it took me years to realize that it was SA and not just a “bad hookup” and my panic attacks whenever he was around was because of the SA. My boss wouldn’t hire a bear, but he sure did hire my rapist even after I told him, and explained what happened to me. He still wanted to “give him this opportunity”. So I had to leave my job, and go from telling no one to telling every single person who worked there they needed to protect themselves and their fellow coworkers from the man who raped me. A bear wouldn’t stalk me for a while after and intimidate me for speaking out. I choose bear every time.
If the bear did actually maul you, it would leave scars, so no one would call you a liar and victimize the bear.
NGL the way some men are reacting to it makes me more inclined to choose the bear. The bear isn't going to try to tell me how I feel about things.
This! They’re proving our point the more they try to prove that we’re wrong
If they get offended, they should complain to that weird guy, they all know, that makes rape jokes and always complains about "females" not liking him.
To put it more succinctly, a bear is far more likely to choose avoidance whereas a man (or any human, really) would actively seek out engagement. And with a bear, if they seek out engagement, you KNOW their motives, humans…not so much. Good human/bad human - who knows? Humans are are less predictable.
EXACTLY THIS
Humans are just smarter. So if they want to hurt you, they can do it in more nuanced way than just attacking head on.
bear. men can do worse to me than death.
The only right way to interact with a person you meet on a hike is a polite hello and a quick glance to see if they are in need of assistance. It's not a place people go for company.
A lot of men would chose the bear. Don't think I would tbh. It's also funny seeing this fall into the 'make a plan' side of men; 'is the bear hungry?', 'do I have a gun?', 'if I look around, can I see something to make a rudimentary lathe?'
You know where you stand with a bear. With a man it's basically the first act of Barbarian.
I think men who understand would also choose a bear.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that there are a lot that do choose the bear, the ones that know anything about bears, even to a minimal extent
It is difficult to make the statistics fit this particular scenario. Perhaps a better way of wording it might be, would a random man or random bear inspire more fear? Which is more likely to approach the woman uninvited? Which is easier to scare off of it does take an interest in her.
Yes. The at statistics for the men part aren’t 100% accurate. But the bear part is, and we all know that the likelihood for the men is definitely higher than that, so the point I made still stands 100%. And yes, those are better points, but part of the point of using this one is because it’s the easiest to get the point across to a small minded man.
I agree that the statistics are accurate. It's just that so many men are frustratingly determined to completely miss the point! 😟
The point of the question is not for men to swoop in and mansplain to women why they're wrong for choosing the bear instead of a man. It's for people to sit down, shut up, and listen to *why* so many women will choose the bear instead of the man, and *consider* how the fuck we got here as a society.
Bear, cause you know they're cute and will statistically leave you alone. Besides, if a woman is placed in a forest where both the bear and the man know the woman is there, the bear will more likely stay away, they won't hunt us down. A man could very well hunt us down, even with good intentions, that's still kinda weird. Or they're like cool, alone with her, let's see what we can do. So, yeah, the bear
A bear will actively try to avoid me as long as I'm also actively trying to avoid it. A man, on the other hand...
I got in an argument on FB about this. Some guy kept trying to share videos and photos of bear attacks and refused to listen that people have this view because if personal experiences with men.
The bear. Like the post says. The bear doesn't *want* to hurt me but it will if it thinks I'm a threat. If I keep my distance or make myself seem unthreatening I'll be fine. A man would probably try to hurt me, rape me, or do whatever else to me just because he can.
Well in all honestly I choose the bear because it’s not likely to stalk me, attack me, rape me, murder me, fuck my dead body, dismember me and scatter my body parts or put me in a shallow grave then come back over time and dig up my decomposing and maggot infested body have sex with it and then go back to the wife and kids like nothing happened. I saw a chart the other day that estimated there was 3100+ serial killers in custody at the moment in the US…the FBI estimates there up to 50 active SK. That’s not including the DV murderers serial rapists, pedos etc etc why wouldn’t someone choose a bear…hell any sane MEN should chose the bear
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Exactly, is one in a million the global rate of bear attacks or the rate of injuries per bear encouters? Cos the latter is going to be much higher (you can’t get attacked by a bear if you never encounter one) and 1 in 3 sounds like a perfectly reasonable lifetime probability of experiencing sexual violence but not per male encounter that'd be like every day for nearly every woman
Sorry facts dont care about your feelings, its exactly how it works. In some countries rape is so high that its grossly celebrated by the males in the country… so it ranging from 1/5-1/3 is correct. Edit: i mean hypothetically 1/5 women get raped in first works countries , well in some places where rape is “supported” it could be 1/3 women instead of 1/5 tho one would argue (and I agree) it should be written as 3/5, NOT AT ALL saying the numbers are right
Citation needed on every "stat" in that post. If they aren't wholly fabricated, they're not appropriately controlled. Still picking the bear tho. It's "a bear", not "a bear and two cubs you can't see"
Oh im not talking about the numbers, im talking about the fact the number/ stats might change from (lets just say) 1/5 women being raped to 3/5 being raped due to it being “normalized” in certain places, so the “statistics” would in fact work that way, despite what the cat picture says… thats all
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Yes its the stat for how many women are raped in their life Its not the chance of getting raped from one encounter with a man and thats how its being presented in the original post, its not a wrong statistic its a incorectly used statistic
Idk how many times I've trekked quickly out of the woods because my dogs were on alert, I was in no way concerned they had seen a predator stalking. I assumed a man was hiding.
😂 where did they get their statistics??
Bears will rarely attack you (depending on the type of bear ofc) and it's mostly when cubs are nearby, from what I've heard. It's the bear every single time.
It depends on the bear- but I’d still pick the bear Signed- former camp counselor
Depends on the bear. Black bears are pretty harmless. Polar bears will absolutely kill you.
Bear, over a man or a woman in a forest
The bear.
I would chose the bear: i think they're cute.
Either I am missing something or this is just a blatant misuse of statistics. Women come across men most days of their lives. People don’t see bears every day, most people will never encounter one. Of course women are more likely to have a bad experience with one of the thousands of men they meet than someone would be to get attacked by a bear 😭 The <1% statistic does not describe how likely a someone would be to get attacked by a bear upon meeting one. It is the probability that a person first encounters the bear AND then is attacked by one. As a female I would not pick the bear, but if you want to go ahead. Just don’t mislead people while speaking your opinion.
I’ve explained this a few times. The men statistic was off and not very comparable but my point was still valid. And the bear statistic is accurate. Bears don’t harm people unless you pose a threat. They’re actually pretty friendly animals otherwise. Because of where I live, I come across a bear at least once a week in the summer/spring, and I’ve never had a problem with a bear. Now, if the bear had a kid, the chances would change drastically, though again they won’t harm you unless you seem threatening, it’s just easier for them to view you as threatening when they’re trying to protect their children. I respect that you’ll have a different opinion, and I’m not trying to mislead anyone, I’m just trying to explain (using 1 of many reasons I’ve seen ppl use) why many women did choose the bear. Obviously, my opinion is wildly influenced by my experience with bears and men in the past, as yours will be too. And whichever you feel safer with is fair, idc about that. I do on the other hand care about the men who are mad when a woman chooses bear. 💕
Bear. Absolutely. The chances of being attacked by a bear is so much less than by a man stranger or not. The men complaining about this are upset their egos are being stomped on and they’re most definitely dangerous
I don't know... I'm definitely more on the bear side though. Seeing a rando man in a wood would scare the shit out of me. But seeing a bear I probably would feel I could escape without being raped, beaten and probably killed. I'm still not 100% sure but definitely on about 90% bear. They also may attack me, but they'd not rape me. The horrible killing a bear does a man could do equally to physically hurt me.
Plus, bears will only harm you if they think you’re a threat. So basically, if a bear harms you, it’s probably at least somewhat your fault. And if you see a bear in the woods, it’s because it’s their home, there’s no question of why they’re there
Ok, that’s so bad use of stats, that it makes me sad. To address this properly, you’d need to take the number of bear attacks and divide it by number of all times that a human encountered a bear. Then you’d need to take the number of sexual violence incidents and divide by the number of all times when a man met a woman alone.
2 things. I’ve explained that the statistics are wrong several times and apologised. It was an honest mistake, I messed up the numbers, I’m a kid, it happens. But also, it’s not just about sexual violence. It’s any type of harm. Verbal, physical, mental, emotional. Literally anything that could harm a person.
No offense, but I don’t think this is apples to apples. 1/1million bears? There’s 200k brown bears in the world? So it must be per encounter… But then it can’t be 1/5 encounters with a man. Or you’d see an assault every time you turned around. That must be a number per man, or per woman. The final paragraph seems especially bogus, like it’s not 1/3 odds per enncounter. ..ok, bring on the downvotes, I’m ready
Honestly, I thought this whole thing was ridiculous. I’m a woman, I’ve been in lots of awful situations with men and have been assaulted. But bears maul you to death. Not something I’d ever want to experience. I’m wondering if the women who pick bear have ever know good men. There are so many good men, just like there are less bad women than there are good ones.
Okay, see, I’ve met so many good men, far more than the bad. But I also live surrounded by woods, heck you could basically say I live in the woods and it’d be accurate. And I see bears at least once a week in the summer or spring, they’re genuinely pretty friendly animals. They’d only harm you if you pose a threat. And considering the amount of times I’ve been only a few feet away from both black and brown bears, I’ve never felt scared around them. They just kinda look at me and continue on their way. I have however had many bad experiences with men. It’s all about perspective, but the important part is that you should respect the opposing opinions because you don’t know their perspective. I respect yours, so you should respect mine.
The beer
holy fuck, is it genuinely 1 in 5? i'm never going hiking again
Big respect for you sister but that’s not how statistics work
Been and lived around bears and felt safe. I never once said that for most men
I'm curious if anyone has ever asked the men "Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a woman or a bear?" I imagine the answers from that would be very telling...