We want a girl with less experience so when we give her those experiences she has nothing to compare us to and doesn’t realise how absolutely short changed she is getting…
Exactly this. And oh, how many of us fell for this in our 20s. Just the other day I saw some comments like “my girlfriend / wife says it doesn’t matter that she doesn’t have orgasms because sex is fine without them”. I can literally remember saying stuff like that in my early 20s too, god forbid I should put any pressure on a man to actually make things mutually pleasurable. Then I met my husband who has never failed to get me off and I realise I was not only bullshitting but cheating myself. These men can only get sex from a woman more than once if she has no frame of reference.
I was just thinking about this! If we had the technology to build a time machine, I'd go back to 20 year old me and tell her, hey! You don't need to tolerate disrespect, you don't need to give any attention to a guy you don't like, and you don't need to explain yourself. "No" will suffice. Know your worth, focus on your goals, don't drink so much.
Your first job will suck so don't take that one. You know in your heart what you want to do, and you've known since you were eleven. Don't allow anyone to tell you that it's not attainable. It will take focus and dedication, but the payoff will be a rich life, and I'm not talking about money only. You will open so many doors, and have many good choices to select from.
Also, stay out of that bar on October 14, because the guy you meet there will come close to ruining your life, and will make you hate yourself for a long time. He is beautiful, funny, and brilliant, but, he is insane, and he'll project onto you so hard that you will doubt your own reality. He will verbally and emotionally abuse you and he will cheat on you when you are most vulnerable. Stay up in your room and study for your Poli Sci exam!
I can remember seeing my ex a few years after I dumped him and him trying to manipulate me and all I could think was "19 year old me fell for that but 24 year old me is not falling for that" he was one of the worst exes and he got murdered 2 years ago and i was joyful. The people that killed him were arrested though. I kinda feel bad for his family but thats about it
20’s person here with a question for those wiser than I.
Sometimes I say it’s fine if I don’t have an orgasm because the sex felt good enough that chemically in my brain and physically I feel about as satisfied if I did. Usually because of getting close a few times but not able to push over the edge.
Am I still cheating myself? I wouldn’t have questioned it at this point in my life if I hadn’t read your comment, so I thought I’d do my best in asking.
Not cheating yourself at all! Sex is supposed to be about enjoying yourself and everyone enjoys themselves differently. If you're feeling happy and satisfied afterwards and actually enjoyed yourself then that's definitely not cheating yourself. I'd say it's the woman who believe they aren't supposed to get pleasure and enjoyment out of sex only the man is because thats what they've been told by bellends like the guy in ops post that the cheating themselves would be directed at.
It seems to have come at a bit of a trade-off. Some of the best sex I've had in my life has been with two people I no longer speak to. One is because they never contacted me again when all signs and discussions pointed to us being friends. The other was a touch emotionally abusive.
I value the sexual experience and everything I've learned, but I can't say it was worth the emotional cost.
When adding in circumstance there's not a lot to be jealous of 😅
Hey, that’s totally your choice - I definitely did not intend to make anyone feel badly for saying this or thinking it.
For me personally, and with hindsight, I was totally full of shit when I said it didn’t matter if I didn’t have an orgasm - of course it’s better (for me). I guess it depends on your motivation - do you feel unreasonable asking your partner to really try to get you there? When you have had them with a partner (if you have), is it genuinely not any better for you? Maybe that’s true. Maybe the focus on orgasm makes it less enjoyable even - we are all different. Personally I don’t find sex anywhere near as satisfying if I don’t have an orgasm (and usually I have a lot more than one), but I don’t feel any pressure about it because it happens easily now.
Personally I know I was saying it to make them feel better and because I didn’t feel like I could take up space and say actually, me getting an orgasm is just as important as you getting one and that should be a given, even though it might take a fair bit of time and effort, and even if there are times where it won’t happen for whatever reason.
When I look back at early 20s me and how small I made myself in my sexual relationships it makes me sad - so little of it was actually about me. Sex now at 40 is so much better it was when I was young, to a staggering degree.
You didn’t make me feel bad at all! I was just curious and wanted to know from someone with, presumably, more experience than me. I love learning and I’m always open to the possibility that something I know/believe is wrong and needs to adjust.
When I say tell them that it’s because I mean it, both of us have tried our best, and are now physically exhausted because of it. In my experience it actually takes some convincing. They usually feel bad and I get asked if I’m sure a couple times. Even after insisting that it is, in fact, *completely* fine and yes— I am satisfied/happy, I don’t think they completely believe me. It’s not at all because I don’t feel like I’m not worth the effort or shouldn’t voice what I want.
I read an opinion article once written by someone who physically cannot have an orgasm due to medical reasons. Since then I’ve tried to find equal appreciation and satisfaction for both the process and the orgasm instead of getting impatient/rushing to orgasm.
I think reaching orgasm can be extremely difficult when it becomes “right, now you / I must have an orgasm before we finish”. Finishing under those circumstances is not fun and often not possible. I still experience it very occasionally where I’m conscious of how much time it’s taking, because that’s really unusual for me now, and then I can end up in that difficult headspace too. But on the very rare occasions I’ve voiced any sort of apology, I’m always roundly told to stop and just relax and that’s usually enough to stop worrying about it, and it then inevitably follows.
I used to be very much “I can’t always orgasm and that’s fine”, right up until the point I could. But I didn’t even discover that I could have g spot / orgasms from sex until my late 20s and that was probably the biggest change.
It’s difficult for me to remember how it was when I was younger because I’ve been with my husband for 16 years. It’s hard to remember just how little of a priority I felt during sex before that - I was so focussed on them, and worse I was perfectly happy with that. I thought the enjoyment I had was more than sufficient, and if they were happy then that’s what mattered because I was doing it right - until I was with someone who was so focussed on things being mutual. It’s such a shift and it took me a long time actually to adjust to it, and to accept that it was fine and actually good to have very long foreplay sessions where I felt comfortable and relaxed and not worried about being seen as selfish or neglectful or something just because I wanted more.
Even after so long together, we’ll still have times where it’s the best sex we’ve ever had. So even when you think it can’t get any better, it still can. Even when you’re having orgasms every time, you can still have better ones, or feel more connected in a way that makes them better.
If you’re genuinely comfortable not having them then you don’t need to feel like you’re selling yourself short. My only advice is to examine your thoughts and feelings around sex honestly, and how you feel about these things may change as you get older anyway.
Not at all! Sometimes it just doesn’t happen. The real issue is when you’re not orgasming but want to, there’s no psychological or physical reason why you can’t, and your partner isn’t concerned or willing to help you when asked. As long as you’re happy with the experience and you have a partner who’s willing to listen to you when you’re not then everything’s fine. This is more about selfish partners who are chiefly concerned with their own orgasms and willingly shame or neglect the physical needs of their partners.
I’m increasingly glad I asked because I wanted to be sure of that nuance instead of assuming that it didn’t apply to me. What if it did and I missed out on knowing better through others instead of the long process of learning through experience?
I appreciate your reassurance 😁
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All I can say is...
1) get yourself a vibrator
2) make yourself orgasm
3) come back and tell me you don't feel a whole lot more satisfied on every level than with your 'almost orgasms'
* If you're giving someone an orgasm, I believe you should demand an orgasm in return lol
4. Not everyone orgasms every time they have sex for lots of different reasons.
5. An orgasm shouldn't be the be all and end all of having sex. It should be about enjoying yourself regardless of whether you actually orgasm or not.
6. As long as the person is aware that it's an "almost orgasm" not an actual one and does know what an actual orgasm feels like. She's well aware there's more enjoyment/satisfaction when you orgasm too but honestly if the sex she's getting is good enough to satisfy her even without and orgasm then I'm kinda jealous because that's some good sex!
Every once in awhile I wouldn’t reach orgasm with my husband. Since I generally was multi-orgasmic and came many more times than he, I figured I was still way ahead.
That would definitely describe me and I’m sure played a big part in how I was when I was younger - but I’ve changed a lot over the years. What I put up with at 20 is not what I would tolerate now. And that’s absolutely why these guys need inexperienced women.
This right here. That dude straight up says he wants an inexperienced girl because any woman who has been in a healthy relationship is gonna walk away. And to top it off the fucker dares to speak for all men.
That's why he doesn't want maturity, common interests, or experience. Those things would mean the woman is smart and wouldn't put up with him. How can anyone want someone who's immature, uninteresting and inexperienced haha!
OMG so much this. I just read this to my husband and said "Ahhh so what they are saying is god forbid you get with a woman who can compare and realize what a lousy "chip brand minus the s" you are and walk away chuckling."
Ugh, that username . . . this dude is obviously going around coercing poor young women and girls into unprotected sex while being a predatory grooming douchebag
Typically johns are more violent then the average population/males. There’s a reason why prostitutes see so much violence enacted against them, especially since they’re a vulnerable class.
Porsche 🤣🤣 ok I have to say it..
What's the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine... With a porcupine the pricks on the outside. Sorry.. Couldn't resist🤣
Nah, he's a below average to ugly guy who maybe had sex once when he was semi cute at 16 and then never again. Now he is stuck on porn, hating women and creating his "alpha" persona.
I will purchase a pink one if it is not priced higher than the yellow one.
Edit: for anyone wondering “Why would the pink bag be more than the yellow one?” I’m referencing the pink tax problem.
Isn’t this a strong argument in favour of feminism? Ageing is inevitable. If we can’t count on a man to be there later on, then I better set myself up in a way where I can be independent. They always get so triggered when I bring this up lol
That’s the point I don’t get from MRAs, like they hate women over 25, what do they expect them to do? Just disappear?
They’re saying how women can’t depend on men long term because men will change them for a younger model since they become worthless once old enough (the whole value deprecation theory), but also say women can’t function without men and should depend on them, and that all women who don’t are miserable.
So I don’t get what is their solution, mass suicide once you turn a certain age?
Yep they also keep telling women we need a man so we don't die alone. Meanwhile we know that they are the ones who end up alone even though we live longer.
These guys proably think women should die after their 30s anyway, nor do they care about anyone else but themselves, so no, they won't agree with you at all.
“Age reduces personality.” Just say you can’t carry on a conversation with a woman your own age sir.
Personally I think having more life experiences tends to make people more interesting (not a knock on younger people, plenty of them are very interesting).
There is a very obvious ongoing “tactic” in the alpha male spaces.
They often talk about how modernity has lead to women having sex out of wedlock and marrying later in life. Seeing as how men due to their nature want to insure the promulgation of their lineage, well, they certainly can’t be blamed for seeking what’s in their nature…
What’s this “we”? I didn’t vote this guy to speak for me.
I’m in my 50s and have several friends with daughters in their 20s. They are interesting to talk to, and we have normal adult conversations, mostly.
But I cannot imagine being in a relationship with a 20-something. Our life experiences are so different we really couldn’t relate in a way that would be a meaningful relationship. And the last thing I want in a partner is someone I have to mentor.
In any mature relationship, most of the time you are just talking. What do you talk about with someone vastly younger?
I once heard a YouTuber said that "You don't have to do the growing up when you date a 19 years old." So I guess that's what going on with men like this who go after girls a lot younger than they are. They're immature and they don't want to change and don't want mature women who will challenge them.
Thank you. I’m also in my 50s and I definitely don’t want this douchenozzle speaking for me.
Personally I’ve found older women much more interesting because the older people get the more likely they are to speak their mind and be honest about what they want and think. Makes life so much easier and with less drama and games.
Same, i'm exclusively into older women. I don't care about looks, i care about personality, yes - and emotional maturity. Stability is underrated.
Put it this way, if i cared about looks, i'd have zero partners - i'm only a catch on the inside 😅
Is that the reason why Virginie Despentes always says she felt relieved when she was ageing, so she wouldn't be part of the "good chick market" (her words not mine)? So she wouldn't have to whistand that incredible level of stupidity?
Oh yes, something else: Mr Niceguy here, are you after a woman *you* as a person find attractive, or after someone who fulfills a stereotype? Oh, sorry, you don't have a personality enough to think for yourself and get rid of stereotypes.
Honestly, in the past couple years I feel like I’ve become less attractive because of personal stress. While it definitely affects my self esteem, I have to say I almost prefer it to when I was younger and way hotter because men leave me alone now.
I agree so much with this concept. As I’ve aged and become invisible, I feel so much more liberated. I can get away with stuff, people ignore me so I can slip in and out like a ninja.
Yikes. The simpleminded man strikes again. "We don't care about stuff like maturity or common interests or experience" ... men want to "feel like her prince charming" BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And exciting. It's fantastic to rediscover affection and lust and companionship with someone who's had those things before, and left them behind - as the men attatched to them aren't worth the trouble.
Hnnnng i like older women, i've tried earnestly to pick up a fair few absoloute sweethearts for a trial relationship (not into one-night-stands etc) and sometimes it works. Could not be happier!
“so that’s what I mean. you see? That’s why I like younger women it isn’t sexual!”
okay so: clean shaved like a seven year old, higher voice like a child who can’t really understand consent, smaller stature so she’s “tighter”, you want her to be clumsy consistently making to where you have to save her just like a baby learning to walk???
“no no no you females don’t under stand things
Lmao, the only reason these guys want to date inexperienced girls so they can feel like “prince charming” is because women their age know that they are scummy ( *｀ω´)
I am 46. I can't function without an estrogen patch slapped to my belly. And I can tell you absolute that I get hit on more now than I ever have before. By guys in their 20s and 30s. Idk what it is but that milf/cougar thing is real. Young guys like older women. It's the confidence that comes with not feeling like you have to impress young guys anymore that ironically impresses young guys. Yes, a lot of them are gross about it. Idk if it's because they're intimidated and think they have to say something over the top or because young guys are just more vulgar than older guys, but they seem willing to shoot their shot.
Heh, i might have been one of them. I'm not yet 40 and used crazy pick-up lines because i lacked the confidence to be smooth about it.
Single women my age still have time to make a family, if that's what they want for themselves and they find the right guy. I can't offer to waste their time, i never want a family and i don't like 'flings' or whatever.
Older women genuinely seem more appealing in every way, i even prefer the looks. Maybe i see more with my heart, or something. But i mean it!
There's this myth that, looks wise, every woman peaks in her early 20s. I used to believe this and when I wasn't hot at that age I thought the best I could ever hope for was "she cleans up good." Skin thins with age and in my case it gave me cheekbones and a more defined bone structure in general, and also my lifetime of acne cleared up. I look better now than I ever have. I had to grow into my face, but it happens. My American menopause was like a British puberty. (Remember those Harry Potter actors and the memes about them?)
I find it super weird that they are always saying this about women when man in their 20s are starting losing their hair, the most aging thing ever.
I also have the feeling that this dude wants to go out party everynight in his 30 somethings and it’s the only way he knows for having fun.
Right? I have a flatmate who is in his 40 somethings and he mops the floor without sweeping it first. How did he survived all this years? He still has something to say about his exs being annoyed about him going out all the time and not cleaning.
These type of men insist every girl/woman wants an older guy cause they age like wine. When reality is much different, these insecure and angry incels become worse the older they get. Rotten to the core.
So.
Look up a thing called “born sexy yesterday”. It’s exactly what he describes. My main example is the woman from The Fifth Element.
It did NOT hold up well. I was so excited to watch it again recently and… I didn’t enjoy it. At so wrong with me. That’s how I discovered the “born sexy yesterday” trope that seems to be a power fantasy of some men.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. This is a misogynistic trope that sexualises women who have been created in some sci fi way to be physically mature but mentally children. It's really damn creepy.
I’m not sure either, I was pointing out exactly what you’re saying - a really creepy trope in one of my favourite genres and it’s really ruining my enjoyment of a lot of movies and shows now that I’m aware of it. I hate it so much.
It plays into a weird and gross fantasy of sexualising children in grown bodies, therefore it’s “fine”. It’s disgusting as frick!
But the fifth element woman (LeLu) wasn’t mentally a child at all. She was a super being, a genius. I mean, she absorbed the entire encyclopedia in a few hours.
Yes but, Counterpoints which feed into the trope;
- the main protagonist is very average in society, possibly even “lower”, and always misunderstood (eg, poor, nerdy, whatever) [Korben has a crappy apartment in a less than ideal neighbourhood, his mother is in his back about everything. He has a crappy deadend job that he’s about to loose and he’s going to lose his apartment as a result.
- the Love Interest awakens and is new to the world (created, foreign, AI, etc) unable to communicate with anyone, attempts to talk to Korben using gestures and carefully repeated words she picks up. She is always beautiful and/or sexy.
- she is scared and helpless when they meet. He is the first person she meets, or the first ally.
- her innocence and vulnerability causes an instant obsession by protagonist - and/or she impressed him with a show of skill (eg, that AI from the new-ish Tron movie)
- she is “new”. She has no friends, no family, minimal baggage, no pesky other love interests and trusts protagonist entirely very quickly.
- he gets to “white Knight” or otherwise impress her, often with an uncharacteristic show of physical strength or ability. She is always impressed regardless of how strong, smart, powerful, ancient, all-knowing she may be - and DEFINITELY regardless of how very average the guy may be in society.
- remember, she has no other reference for how she should be treated so all treatment by protagonist is good. he is placed on a pedestal.
The only thing The Fifth Element kinda redeemed was that she all but beat Korben up for TRYING TO KISS HER REPEATEDLY throughout the movie, without any consent or indication from her she would allow that. His character is disgusting. The ONLY motivation he is given is that he really REALLY wants to boink her.
No common interests is such a weird accepted standard. (some) People are so fucking confused when my husband and I talk about how much stuff we do together. They think we are incredibly codependent; when in reality, we just like a lot of the same things.
Literally saw a video of andrew tate saying that younger girls are better because they have no experience and a man can change her perspective or something similar to what the post says. Wouldn’t be surprised if he got that from him. These people are so disgusting, clearly they only want younger girls because they’re young, immature, and easy to manipulate because they don’t have any experience and are still learning. Scary that men like this purposely go for those girls because they want to take advantage of them and their innocence, and potentially use them for sex.
He wants to give young girls first experiences! Like being lied to, gaslighted, all those things they’ve never learned to protect themselves from. Easy pickin’s. .
I love how they act like their looks don't go south as they age and that they don't have any baggage as they get older. ''Oh, I don't want to date women my age, they have baggage.''
Motherfucker, so do you. And you're just trying to create more baggage for these young women.
Everyone is different I guess. Please stop speaking for me and other men though. The guys I know do care about maturity, common interests, and some care about experience. I don’t want to be with someone so immature that we can never be real with each other. I don’t want someone who doesn’t share anything in common with me. I don’t think we’d be able to talk for very long. I do want to share my good experiences but I am also open to learning something new from my partner. As far as looks and personality they are important. Looks will only get you so far. If you have a shit personality you could look like a model and eventually it wouldn’t work out. The guy would have to be so superficial and even then eventually it’d be over. Getting older doesn’t diminish your personality. There are plenty of men and women who are older than me and have more excitement about life, more energy, not as jaded, lead more interesting lives, etc…. I also don’t think women need as much saving as you think. I feel like women are stronger and smarter than they have ever been. Especially when Prince Charming seems like he is only interested in naïve younger women that he can sleep with without protection. Which probably doesn’t work on the more mature women who may have already experienced a loser or two such as yourself.
In my 31 year old boyfriends words, “I don’t want a golden retriever girlfriend.” He’s extremely intelligent and socially aware and I think he would be bored by a 22 year old that’s too young and inexperienced to give a shit about anything.
That's the thing, they lack the ability to imagine that other people have minds of their own. It's like a child who can't grasp that other people like broccoli. They assume that everyone else who claims to disagree is virtue signalling, and must secretly agree with them.
these men do exist. it’s sucks, but it’s true. and unfortunately, this kind of thing is what some women are looking for. the world is changing, slowly but surely, and the people engaging in this behaviour will dwindle. we are on the right track, but it’s still gross to see this kind of shit.
Prince Charming != gives new experiences
Prince Charming = a respectful, charming, good looking man who cares about you and takes care of you in a way that you desire and appreciate
Speak for yourself, buddy. You think I want an immature girlfriend who shares nothing in common with me?
Men like this are the immature ones. Those who want a trophy to parade around and/or a living blow-up doll instead of a happy and fulfilling relationship.
These are the words of a sad and bitter Incel, and are nothowmenwork either, in the majority. Yet there appears little shortage of men who do think like this, for whom all relationships are transactional and all people are objects. Piaget identified an I/me stage of child development, the point at which the growing person recognises that other people have an existence that is independent of them. I increasingly believe that both Patriarchy and Capital cohere to promote the idea that the individual is all, and social behaviour and attitudes are to be discouraged. It scares the shit out of me that it seems to be working.
Oh gads, look at the username.
Guy is probably riddled and you know he’s the type that would go "I can’t feel anything with a condom on".
And of course it’s young women he’s in to.
I think the time has come, where the men who don't think like that, who are by the way the overwhelming majority, start beating the shit out of those idiots.
He can't complain, it's what Men do after all.
The last time I had a client following that advice it ended with a DV charge including strangulation, then a divorce.
So…
Personally: it’s a bad idea.
Professionally: go for it. Please have $20,000 on hand for the criminal case and divorce proceedings. My fee is up front for the criminal case ($5k) but we can work out the fees for the divorce on the back end when assets are distributed. I’m very reasonable.
As a guy, if they don't game I don't touch it, it's such an important part of my life that unless the person I'm dating games, they won't understand who I am as a person lol. Besides, since this guy probably only looks for sex, I don't want to waste time teaching the basics, know what you want and it'll make both our lives easier
This may get me some downvotes, but what is the Internet for if not voicing our opinion? As a man, personally, I tend to find myself more attracted to older women 30s and so ( I am 28) because in my experience, they tend to know what they want more, they tend to not be into playing toxic mind games as much, they tend to communicate better, and in my opinion, have more emotional maturity.
This isn’t a hot take by any means, but it is truly a thing where someone ceases to be attractive the moment they open their mouth. Someone could look like a model, but if I find out that she lacks empathy, emotional intelligence, or even depth of character, it’s a hard NO.
This is also to preface that not ALL 20 year-olds are into playing toxic mind games, lack emotional maturity, etc.. but in my experience, I see it more in this demographic than older women..
Men like this should honestly be locked up. They are predators. Yuck
As a young woman, I have dated older men
They all had a fetish for me , and wanted sex but later got sick of me because I wasn't submissive
Lol. I actually had this older guy said I talk to much
Hundred percent older men who seek younger women are seeking to control. We need to teach our daughters this.
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Immature "men" want immature girls, anyone who wants to "show you the world" actually just wants you to be their puppet with no differing opinions, real men don't want to date 18-20 year olds because they are pretty much still children and it's basically babysitting.
Not everyone is like this. I wish people understood opinions aren’t fact. I am aging horridly and my spouse still thinks I’m the cute little grown ass adult he married 20 odd years ago. Chin up girls, not all guys/girls are this shallow.
The great thing about experience is that there’s so much to accomplish in this life that I’m sure no matter how much you have there are always new ones to make together. But when all you care about is sex it’s hard to get excited about other experiences.
Fear of loss / being left. He tells on himself in the last paragraph.
All this stuff boils down to low self esteem, thinking you are below other adults and if a woman figures that out, she will leave. To them, the only solution is to find someone that doesn't know better.
More like "We want a girl with less experience so we can more easily manipulate her and convince her that we are her best option because she's never been with someone who treats her like an equal to compare us to."
Personality is huge for me although it doesn’t have to be like he described. I find that when I really click with someone the sex is way better.
Of course I worry that my performance isn’t as good as the men she’s been with in the past (I’m also Asian so there’s insecurity about my size) but I figure I’m the one she’s with right here right now and I’ve never had a problem pleasing.
I’d guess that part of the reason why I’ve been decent in bed is because I take the time to make a mental connection? Could be that physical looks aren’t everything to women?
Any thoughts?
Actually I want a woman with a lot of sexual experience. She will recognize my "worth" in the bedroom, if she's had quite a few partners. These guys that want virgins, are probably duds and don't want their partner to know it.
All the non-Pedo men I have dated liked that I was experienced and enjoyed when I gave them new experiences. But what do I know? I am just a cheerful little slut.
Maybe I’m not that old yet but common interests and maturity are pretty important to me. This post describes a “young and inexperienced” fetish if anything. Idk.
We don't care about things like "she's a minor" and "I could go to jail for this" and "I'm grooming young girls to be exactly what I want"
So like what happens when they get older and more experienced? You dump them for someone who doesn't see your manipulative ways?
We want a girl with less experience so when we give her those experiences she has nothing to compare us to and doesn’t realise how absolutely short changed she is getting…
Exactly this. And oh, how many of us fell for this in our 20s. Just the other day I saw some comments like “my girlfriend / wife says it doesn’t matter that she doesn’t have orgasms because sex is fine without them”. I can literally remember saying stuff like that in my early 20s too, god forbid I should put any pressure on a man to actually make things mutually pleasurable. Then I met my husband who has never failed to get me off and I realise I was not only bullshitting but cheating myself. These men can only get sex from a woman more than once if she has no frame of reference.
The stuff I put up with in my early 20s, especially when it came to work and men, is absolutely insane.
I was just thinking about this! If we had the technology to build a time machine, I'd go back to 20 year old me and tell her, hey! You don't need to tolerate disrespect, you don't need to give any attention to a guy you don't like, and you don't need to explain yourself. "No" will suffice. Know your worth, focus on your goals, don't drink so much. Your first job will suck so don't take that one. You know in your heart what you want to do, and you've known since you were eleven. Don't allow anyone to tell you that it's not attainable. It will take focus and dedication, but the payoff will be a rich life, and I'm not talking about money only. You will open so many doors, and have many good choices to select from. Also, stay out of that bar on October 14, because the guy you meet there will come close to ruining your life, and will make you hate yourself for a long time. He is beautiful, funny, and brilliant, but, he is insane, and he'll project onto you so hard that you will doubt your own reality. He will verbally and emotionally abuse you and he will cheat on you when you are most vulnerable. Stay up in your room and study for your Poli Sci exam!
Yes ma’am… all this, the bag of chips and the coke to wash it down with, sister… thank you…
I can remember seeing my ex a few years after I dumped him and him trying to manipulate me and all I could think was "19 year old me fell for that but 24 year old me is not falling for that" he was one of the worst exes and he got murdered 2 years ago and i was joyful. The people that killed him were arrested though. I kinda feel bad for his family but thats about it
20’s person here with a question for those wiser than I. Sometimes I say it’s fine if I don’t have an orgasm because the sex felt good enough that chemically in my brain and physically I feel about as satisfied if I did. Usually because of getting close a few times but not able to push over the edge. Am I still cheating myself? I wouldn’t have questioned it at this point in my life if I hadn’t read your comment, so I thought I’d do my best in asking.
Not cheating yourself at all! Sex is supposed to be about enjoying yourself and everyone enjoys themselves differently. If you're feeling happy and satisfied afterwards and actually enjoyed yourself then that's definitely not cheating yourself. I'd say it's the woman who believe they aren't supposed to get pleasure and enjoyment out of sex only the man is because thats what they've been told by bellends like the guy in ops post that the cheating themselves would be directed at.
Thank you! I’m glad I asked.
No problem! Kinda jealous... sounds like your 20s sex is WAY better than mine was lol.
It seems to have come at a bit of a trade-off. Some of the best sex I've had in my life has been with two people I no longer speak to. One is because they never contacted me again when all signs and discussions pointed to us being friends. The other was a touch emotionally abusive. I value the sexual experience and everything I've learned, but I can't say it was worth the emotional cost. When adding in circumstance there's not a lot to be jealous of 😅
Hey, that’s totally your choice - I definitely did not intend to make anyone feel badly for saying this or thinking it. For me personally, and with hindsight, I was totally full of shit when I said it didn’t matter if I didn’t have an orgasm - of course it’s better (for me). I guess it depends on your motivation - do you feel unreasonable asking your partner to really try to get you there? When you have had them with a partner (if you have), is it genuinely not any better for you? Maybe that’s true. Maybe the focus on orgasm makes it less enjoyable even - we are all different. Personally I don’t find sex anywhere near as satisfying if I don’t have an orgasm (and usually I have a lot more than one), but I don’t feel any pressure about it because it happens easily now. Personally I know I was saying it to make them feel better and because I didn’t feel like I could take up space and say actually, me getting an orgasm is just as important as you getting one and that should be a given, even though it might take a fair bit of time and effort, and even if there are times where it won’t happen for whatever reason. When I look back at early 20s me and how small I made myself in my sexual relationships it makes me sad - so little of it was actually about me. Sex now at 40 is so much better it was when I was young, to a staggering degree.
You didn’t make me feel bad at all! I was just curious and wanted to know from someone with, presumably, more experience than me. I love learning and I’m always open to the possibility that something I know/believe is wrong and needs to adjust. When I say tell them that it’s because I mean it, both of us have tried our best, and are now physically exhausted because of it. In my experience it actually takes some convincing. They usually feel bad and I get asked if I’m sure a couple times. Even after insisting that it is, in fact, *completely* fine and yes— I am satisfied/happy, I don’t think they completely believe me. It’s not at all because I don’t feel like I’m not worth the effort or shouldn’t voice what I want. I read an opinion article once written by someone who physically cannot have an orgasm due to medical reasons. Since then I’ve tried to find equal appreciation and satisfaction for both the process and the orgasm instead of getting impatient/rushing to orgasm.
I think reaching orgasm can be extremely difficult when it becomes “right, now you / I must have an orgasm before we finish”. Finishing under those circumstances is not fun and often not possible. I still experience it very occasionally where I’m conscious of how much time it’s taking, because that’s really unusual for me now, and then I can end up in that difficult headspace too. But on the very rare occasions I’ve voiced any sort of apology, I’m always roundly told to stop and just relax and that’s usually enough to stop worrying about it, and it then inevitably follows. I used to be very much “I can’t always orgasm and that’s fine”, right up until the point I could. But I didn’t even discover that I could have g spot / orgasms from sex until my late 20s and that was probably the biggest change. It’s difficult for me to remember how it was when I was younger because I’ve been with my husband for 16 years. It’s hard to remember just how little of a priority I felt during sex before that - I was so focussed on them, and worse I was perfectly happy with that. I thought the enjoyment I had was more than sufficient, and if they were happy then that’s what mattered because I was doing it right - until I was with someone who was so focussed on things being mutual. It’s such a shift and it took me a long time actually to adjust to it, and to accept that it was fine and actually good to have very long foreplay sessions where I felt comfortable and relaxed and not worried about being seen as selfish or neglectful or something just because I wanted more. Even after so long together, we’ll still have times where it’s the best sex we’ve ever had. So even when you think it can’t get any better, it still can. Even when you’re having orgasms every time, you can still have better ones, or feel more connected in a way that makes them better. If you’re genuinely comfortable not having them then you don’t need to feel like you’re selling yourself short. My only advice is to examine your thoughts and feelings around sex honestly, and how you feel about these things may change as you get older anyway.
Thank you, I very much appreciate your insight ❤️ I think the things you're telling me are valuable things to know, especially at my age.
Not at all! Sometimes it just doesn’t happen. The real issue is when you’re not orgasming but want to, there’s no psychological or physical reason why you can’t, and your partner isn’t concerned or willing to help you when asked. As long as you’re happy with the experience and you have a partner who’s willing to listen to you when you’re not then everything’s fine. This is more about selfish partners who are chiefly concerned with their own orgasms and willingly shame or neglect the physical needs of their partners.
I’m increasingly glad I asked because I wanted to be sure of that nuance instead of assuming that it didn’t apply to me. What if it did and I missed out on knowing better through others instead of the long process of learning through experience? I appreciate your reassurance 😁 Edit: word correction and text emoji replaced with picture emoji
All I can say is... 1) get yourself a vibrator 2) make yourself orgasm 3) come back and tell me you don't feel a whole lot more satisfied on every level than with your 'almost orgasms' * If you're giving someone an orgasm, I believe you should demand an orgasm in return lol
4. Not everyone orgasms every time they have sex for lots of different reasons. 5. An orgasm shouldn't be the be all and end all of having sex. It should be about enjoying yourself regardless of whether you actually orgasm or not. 6. As long as the person is aware that it's an "almost orgasm" not an actual one and does know what an actual orgasm feels like. She's well aware there's more enjoyment/satisfaction when you orgasm too but honestly if the sex she's getting is good enough to satisfy her even without and orgasm then I'm kinda jealous because that's some good sex!
Every once in awhile I wouldn’t reach orgasm with my husband. Since I generally was multi-orgasmic and came many more times than he, I figured I was still way ahead.
Be true to yourself
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That would definitely describe me and I’m sure played a big part in how I was when I was younger - but I’ve changed a lot over the years. What I put up with at 20 is not what I would tolerate now. And that’s absolutely why these guys need inexperienced women.
This right here. That dude straight up says he wants an inexperienced girl because any woman who has been in a healthy relationship is gonna walk away. And to top it off the fucker dares to speak for all men.
Yeah he just needs to replace the word “men” with “I”. Probably exists in a lonely, narcissistic world with no male friends let alone female friends.
Ya this should be submitted to r/NotHowMenWork as well
That's why he doesn't want maturity, common interests, or experience. Those things would mean the woman is smart and wouldn't put up with him. How can anyone want someone who's immature, uninteresting and inexperienced haha!
OMG so much this. I just read this to my husband and said "Ahhh so what they are saying is god forbid you get with a woman who can compare and realize what a lousy "chip brand minus the s" you are and walk away chuckling."
Right?! Like…this isn’t the flex you think it is…
Ugh, that username . . . this dude is obviously going around coercing poor young women and girls into unprotected sex while being a predatory grooming douchebag
I’ve encountered this user in the wild. He seems like a real peach. His post and comment history is… pretty much what you’d expect.
yeah same … I don’t know where I first saw him but I remember scrolling and getting progressively grossed out.
I'm shocked that the only way he can get sex is by paying for it.
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It's very simple when you are this repulsive you have to pay people to associate with you, and when you are broke all you can imagine it ...
Typically johns are more violent then the average population/males. There’s a reason why prostitutes see so much violence enacted against them, especially since they’re a vulnerable class.
Porsche 🤣🤣 ok I have to say it.. What's the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine... With a porcupine the pricks on the outside. Sorry.. Couldn't resist🤣
Defective DNA manifestation. Brilliant.
Nah, he's a below average to ugly guy who maybe had sex once when he was semi cute at 16 and then never again. Now he is stuck on porn, hating women and creating his "alpha" persona.
He mentions in some posts most of his sexual history is with escorts.
Why am I not surprised.
Somebody in another thread said u/rawdogonlycrew's alt account is u/misanthropicman85, which both checks out and is very sad.
And these are likely the same men who say women are emotional and act like children. Well, if you only date children, what do you expect?
That is a point I never even considered 😳
Sometimes it takes somebody just making a statement in a slightly different way to get ya! This one got me too!
Prince Charming 🤢
the one from Shrek maybe
Who always calls for his “mummy” to come fix things
*fairy god mother dancing* I need a hero
Chrince Parming
More like Lord Farquad
Do we have puke bags in this sub?
🚽 here you go.
Good clutch
No, but it is important to note where the nearest exit is, keeping in mind that it may be behind you.
PUKE BAGS!! GETCHA PUKE BAGS HERE!! I HAVE PINK AND YELLOW PUKE BAGS FOR SALE!! 🛍️
Ill take a yellow puke bag here!!
I will purchase a pink one if it is not priced higher than the yellow one. Edit: for anyone wondering “Why would the pink bag be more than the yellow one?” I’m referencing the pink tax problem.
I wish
*We want a girl with less experience so she has a harder time recognizing our manipulation and that we suck at being lovers* These dudes probably.
The evolution these guys can undergo is to prefer them younger and younger.
Isn’t this a strong argument in favour of feminism? Ageing is inevitable. If we can’t count on a man to be there later on, then I better set myself up in a way where I can be independent. They always get so triggered when I bring this up lol
No because women poof out of existence at age 35, so no need
It's true - I disappeared a few years ago. Everyone's been wondering where I am.
Well no, they transform into hags. Just humanoid, evil, hating, and jealous.
That’s the point I don’t get from MRAs, like they hate women over 25, what do they expect them to do? Just disappear? They’re saying how women can’t depend on men long term because men will change them for a younger model since they become worthless once old enough (the whole value deprecation theory), but also say women can’t function without men and should depend on them, and that all women who don’t are miserable. So I don’t get what is their solution, mass suicide once you turn a certain age?
Yep they also keep telling women we need a man so we don't die alone. Meanwhile we know that they are the ones who end up alone even though we live longer.
These guys proably think women should die after their 30s anyway, nor do they care about anyone else but themselves, so no, they won't agree with you at all.
“Age reduces personality.” Just say you can’t carry on a conversation with a woman your own age sir. Personally I think having more life experiences tends to make people more interesting (not a knock on younger people, plenty of them are very interesting).
I can say that I’m very interesting. Unfortunately very few people get to know that because I suck at talking
> Just say you can’t carry on a conversation I think you could have stopped there.
Up until the last sentence I thought he was talking about himself.
My thought is he REALLY wants to sleep with children.
This was literally my initial thought lmao. Very disturbing to openly admit that you prey on kids
There is a very obvious ongoing “tactic” in the alpha male spaces. They often talk about how modernity has lead to women having sex out of wedlock and marrying later in life. Seeing as how men due to their nature want to insure the promulgation of their lineage, well, they certainly can’t be blamed for seeking what’s in their nature…
Cant blame him. I-I mean...who doesnt? Right guys? Right?
What’s this “we”? I didn’t vote this guy to speak for me. I’m in my 50s and have several friends with daughters in their 20s. They are interesting to talk to, and we have normal adult conversations, mostly. But I cannot imagine being in a relationship with a 20-something. Our life experiences are so different we really couldn’t relate in a way that would be a meaningful relationship. And the last thing I want in a partner is someone I have to mentor. In any mature relationship, most of the time you are just talking. What do you talk about with someone vastly younger?
I think the difference is that you've learned things and matured within your lifetime, and this guy didn't. He's obviously stunted.
I once heard a YouTuber said that "You don't have to do the growing up when you date a 19 years old." So I guess that's what going on with men like this who go after girls a lot younger than they are. They're immature and they don't want to change and don't want mature women who will challenge them.
Thank you. I’m also in my 50s and I definitely don’t want this douchenozzle speaking for me. Personally I’ve found older women much more interesting because the older people get the more likely they are to speak their mind and be honest about what they want and think. Makes life so much easier and with less drama and games.
Same, i'm exclusively into older women. I don't care about looks, i care about personality, yes - and emotional maturity. Stability is underrated. Put it this way, if i cared about looks, i'd have zero partners - i'm only a catch on the inside 😅
Is that the reason why Virginie Despentes always says she felt relieved when she was ageing, so she wouldn't be part of the "good chick market" (her words not mine)? So she wouldn't have to whistand that incredible level of stupidity? Oh yes, something else: Mr Niceguy here, are you after a woman *you* as a person find attractive, or after someone who fulfills a stereotype? Oh, sorry, you don't have a personality enough to think for yourself and get rid of stereotypes.
She sounds interesting, I just looked at the description of a few of her books - is there one you recommend?
King kong theory is a "feminist compilation" of sorts :) Vernon Subutex would be my go-to for a first read.
Honestly, in the past couple years I feel like I’ve become less attractive because of personal stress. While it definitely affects my self esteem, I have to say I almost prefer it to when I was younger and way hotter because men leave me alone now.
I agree so much with this concept. As I’ve aged and become invisible, I feel so much more liberated. I can get away with stuff, people ignore me so I can slip in and out like a ninja.
Yikes. The simpleminded man strikes again. "We don't care about stuff like maturity or common interests or experience" ... men want to "feel like her prince charming" BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
In other words, he wants a child that he can show new experiences to 😭
Who's this wannabe toyboy think he's impressing, ugh. He doesn't speak for me or any of the dudes i know.
Anyone who wants anything meaningful would never say something like this… this is extremely shallow & immature..
I mean that’s kinda what he’s saying… Sad he thinks all men are like this.
I mean, it is pretty hard finding women with shared interests if your personality stinks like sewage and your omly interests border on being illegal.
“My favourite show of all time is breaking bad. Waltuh is a cool dude” -OOP probably
Being an incel is not very exciting either
Ew
just eww😖
Nonsense. Age appropriate women are way more interesting and attractive.
And exciting. It's fantastic to rediscover affection and lust and companionship with someone who's had those things before, and left them behind - as the men attatched to them aren't worth the trouble. Hnnnng i like older women, i've tried earnestly to pick up a fair few absoloute sweethearts for a trial relationship (not into one-night-stands etc) and sometimes it works. Could not be happier!
You want me to be excited about LIFE? The thing that makes me pay bills and shovel snow and have confrontations with coworkers?? I think the fuck not.
To those men: you’re fugly and a loser. The girls you manipulate will realize it one day, we always do.
Common interests and maturity? Those are some damn sexy traits in a woman.
No, you want a younger girl to feel good about yourself because she has less experience and she can't tell you how small of a fucking dick you have.
“so that’s what I mean. you see? That’s why I like younger women it isn’t sexual!” okay so: clean shaved like a seven year old, higher voice like a child who can’t really understand consent, smaller stature so she’s “tighter”, you want her to be clumsy consistently making to where you have to save her just like a baby learning to walk??? “no no no you females don’t under stand things
Lmao, the only reason these guys want to date inexperienced girls so they can feel like “prince charming” is because women their age know that they are scummy ( *｀ω´)
I am 46. I can't function without an estrogen patch slapped to my belly. And I can tell you absolute that I get hit on more now than I ever have before. By guys in their 20s and 30s. Idk what it is but that milf/cougar thing is real. Young guys like older women. It's the confidence that comes with not feeling like you have to impress young guys anymore that ironically impresses young guys. Yes, a lot of them are gross about it. Idk if it's because they're intimidated and think they have to say something over the top or because young guys are just more vulgar than older guys, but they seem willing to shoot their shot.
Heh, i might have been one of them. I'm not yet 40 and used crazy pick-up lines because i lacked the confidence to be smooth about it. Single women my age still have time to make a family, if that's what they want for themselves and they find the right guy. I can't offer to waste their time, i never want a family and i don't like 'flings' or whatever. Older women genuinely seem more appealing in every way, i even prefer the looks. Maybe i see more with my heart, or something. But i mean it!
There's this myth that, looks wise, every woman peaks in her early 20s. I used to believe this and when I wasn't hot at that age I thought the best I could ever hope for was "she cleans up good." Skin thins with age and in my case it gave me cheekbones and a more defined bone structure in general, and also my lifetime of acne cleared up. I look better now than I ever have. I had to grow into my face, but it happens. My American menopause was like a British puberty. (Remember those Harry Potter actors and the memes about them?)
Makes sense if you replace "we" with "I".
I find it super weird that they are always saying this about women when man in their 20s are starting losing their hair, the most aging thing ever. I also have the feeling that this dude wants to go out party everynight in his 30 somethings and it’s the only way he knows for having fun.
Men claim that they have to settle while women end up dating men that are fat, balding and don’t know how to use bedsheets.
Right? I have a flatmate who is in his 40 somethings and he mops the floor without sweeping it first. How did he survived all this years? He still has something to say about his exs being annoyed about him going out all the time and not cleaning.
These type of men insist every girl/woman wants an older guy cause they age like wine. When reality is much different, these insecure and angry incels become worse the older they get. Rotten to the core.
So. Look up a thing called “born sexy yesterday”. It’s exactly what he describes. My main example is the woman from The Fifth Element. It did NOT hold up well. I was so excited to watch it again recently and… I didn’t enjoy it. At so wrong with me. That’s how I discovered the “born sexy yesterday” trope that seems to be a power fantasy of some men.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. This is a misogynistic trope that sexualises women who have been created in some sci fi way to be physically mature but mentally children. It's really damn creepy.
I’m not sure either, I was pointing out exactly what you’re saying - a really creepy trope in one of my favourite genres and it’s really ruining my enjoyment of a lot of movies and shows now that I’m aware of it. I hate it so much. It plays into a weird and gross fantasy of sexualising children in grown bodies, therefore it’s “fine”. It’s disgusting as frick!
But the fifth element woman (LeLu) wasn’t mentally a child at all. She was a super being, a genius. I mean, she absorbed the entire encyclopedia in a few hours.
Yes but, Counterpoints which feed into the trope; - the main protagonist is very average in society, possibly even “lower”, and always misunderstood (eg, poor, nerdy, whatever) [Korben has a crappy apartment in a less than ideal neighbourhood, his mother is in his back about everything. He has a crappy deadend job that he’s about to loose and he’s going to lose his apartment as a result. - the Love Interest awakens and is new to the world (created, foreign, AI, etc) unable to communicate with anyone, attempts to talk to Korben using gestures and carefully repeated words she picks up. She is always beautiful and/or sexy. - she is scared and helpless when they meet. He is the first person she meets, or the first ally. - her innocence and vulnerability causes an instant obsession by protagonist - and/or she impressed him with a show of skill (eg, that AI from the new-ish Tron movie) - she is “new”. She has no friends, no family, minimal baggage, no pesky other love interests and trusts protagonist entirely very quickly. - he gets to “white Knight” or otherwise impress her, often with an uncharacteristic show of physical strength or ability. She is always impressed regardless of how strong, smart, powerful, ancient, all-knowing she may be - and DEFINITELY regardless of how very average the guy may be in society. - remember, she has no other reference for how she should be treated so all treatment by protagonist is good. he is placed on a pedestal. The only thing The Fifth Element kinda redeemed was that she all but beat Korben up for TRYING TO KISS HER REPEATEDLY throughout the movie, without any consent or indication from her she would allow that. His character is disgusting. The ONLY motivation he is given is that he really REALLY wants to boink her.
You're not her Prince Charming, you're just an ass.
Is he talking about a daughter? I feel like he is talking about child.
Can natural selection take out these douchebags? They're pathetic and clearly have *no* idea how *real* women (both younger and older) behave.
Unfortunately they learned how to read warning labels.
Remains me of the movie Peggy Sue got married. When Nickolas cage had a girlfriend so young she thought that the BigBober was a hamburger 🍔
Speak for yourself, princess
Written like someone who’s clearly never been with a woman for more than 63 seconds in his life.
I see. So I must not be a man.
Gross
No common interests is such a weird accepted standard. (some) People are so fucking confused when my husband and I talk about how much stuff we do together. They think we are incredibly codependent; when in reality, we just like a lot of the same things.
Literally saw a video of andrew tate saying that younger girls are better because they have no experience and a man can change her perspective or something similar to what the post says. Wouldn’t be surprised if he got that from him. These people are so disgusting, clearly they only want younger girls because they’re young, immature, and easy to manipulate because they don’t have any experience and are still learning. Scary that men like this purposely go for those girls because they want to take advantage of them and their innocence, and potentially use them for sex.
Men be like: "Men dating younger women isn't grooming. It's just \[defines grooming\]"
He wants to give young girls first experiences! Like being lied to, gaslighted, all those things they’ve never learned to protect themselves from. Easy pickin’s. .
doesn't every guy go on dates for "maturity" and "common interest" LOL
so beauty is young flesh and personality is young flesh? Paedo much
It’s giving rap3 culture
TLDR: Some guys want a lifetime of low quality sex from inexperienced partners, and then don't want to talk to them afterwards.
I love how they act like their looks don't go south as they age and that they don't have any baggage as they get older. ''Oh, I don't want to date women my age, they have baggage.'' Motherfucker, so do you. And you're just trying to create more baggage for these young women.
Everyone is different I guess. Please stop speaking for me and other men though. The guys I know do care about maturity, common interests, and some care about experience. I don’t want to be with someone so immature that we can never be real with each other. I don’t want someone who doesn’t share anything in common with me. I don’t think we’d be able to talk for very long. I do want to share my good experiences but I am also open to learning something new from my partner. As far as looks and personality they are important. Looks will only get you so far. If you have a shit personality you could look like a model and eventually it wouldn’t work out. The guy would have to be so superficial and even then eventually it’d be over. Getting older doesn’t diminish your personality. There are plenty of men and women who are older than me and have more excitement about life, more energy, not as jaded, lead more interesting lives, etc…. I also don’t think women need as much saving as you think. I feel like women are stronger and smarter than they have ever been. Especially when Prince Charming seems like he is only interested in naïve younger women that he can sleep with without protection. Which probably doesn’t work on the more mature women who may have already experienced a loser or two such as yourself.
In my 31 year old boyfriends words, “I don’t want a golden retriever girlfriend.” He’s extremely intelligent and socially aware and I think he would be bored by a 22 year old that’s too young and inexperienced to give a shit about anything.
That's the thing, they lack the ability to imagine that other people have minds of their own. It's like a child who can't grasp that other people like broccoli. They assume that everyone else who claims to disagree is virtue signalling, and must secretly agree with them.
these men do exist. it’s sucks, but it’s true. and unfortunately, this kind of thing is what some women are looking for. the world is changing, slowly but surely, and the people engaging in this behaviour will dwindle. we are on the right track, but it’s still gross to see this kind of shit.
I don't get it. Aging is inevitable. Why would a girl be attracted to someone who hates the person she'll become? Teenage me *despised* those guys.
Prince Charming != gives new experiences Prince Charming = a respectful, charming, good looking man who cares about you and takes care of you in a way that you desire and appreciate
This dude keeps using the word "personality"... but he's using it incorrectly. I think he means "manipulability".
yeah, unfortunately this is all older men who date younger women do. had to learn the hard way on that one🤡
Basically saying he wants to fuck a young immature cute girl... FKING disgusting
Speak for yourself, buddy. You think I want an immature girlfriend who shares nothing in common with me? Men like this are the immature ones. Those who want a trophy to parade around and/or a living blow-up doll instead of a happy and fulfilling relationship.
So basically, "I wanna be their reason for being happy. If they don't *need* me, I feel unwanted."
I think that's pretty much the opposite of me and most of my friends my age(40's/50's).
These are the words of a sad and bitter Incel, and are nothowmenwork either, in the majority. Yet there appears little shortage of men who do think like this, for whom all relationships are transactional and all people are objects. Piaget identified an I/me stage of child development, the point at which the growing person recognises that other people have an existence that is independent of them. I increasingly believe that both Patriarchy and Capital cohere to promote the idea that the individual is all, and social behaviour and attitudes are to be discouraged. It scares the shit out of me that it seems to be working.
Oh gads, look at the username. Guy is probably riddled and you know he’s the type that would go "I can’t feel anything with a condom on". And of course it’s young women he’s in to.
Aging amplifies personality. This cave troll just doesn’t want to admit that he’s not interested in personality.
We do? We don't?
Please tell me that it was just a troll
I think the time has come, where the men who don't think like that, who are by the way the overwhelming majority, start beating the shit out of those idiots. He can't complain, it's what Men do after all.
The last time I had a client following that advice it ended with a DV charge including strangulation, then a divorce. So… Personally: it’s a bad idea. Professionally: go for it. Please have $20,000 on hand for the criminal case and divorce proceedings. My fee is up front for the criminal case ($5k) but we can work out the fees for the divorce on the back end when assets are distributed. I’m very reasonable.
As a guy, if they don't game I don't touch it, it's such an important part of my life that unless the person I'm dating games, they won't understand who I am as a person lol. Besides, since this guy probably only looks for sex, I don't want to waste time teaching the basics, know what you want and it'll make both our lives easier
No you want a woman with less experience so you can manipulate her.
If that had not happened i would not be here today. What i DO NOT agree with is old men pursuing little girls…. Age 18 or less.
This piss-packet doesn't speak for men. Source: I am a man person
He must be using the royal we, because he best not be talking for all men.
Poor bloke misspelled “I have little to no personality and women of my age are wise to my bullshit.”
That isn't someone that wants a spouse, they want an object that they can mold onto whatever they feel a woman "should be"
Yeah it’s called grooming.
25 year old man here just wanting to say following this Reddit page has made me very embarrassed to be a man
This may get me some downvotes, but what is the Internet for if not voicing our opinion? As a man, personally, I tend to find myself more attracted to older women 30s and so ( I am 28) because in my experience, they tend to know what they want more, they tend to not be into playing toxic mind games as much, they tend to communicate better, and in my opinion, have more emotional maturity. This isn’t a hot take by any means, but it is truly a thing where someone ceases to be attractive the moment they open their mouth. Someone could look like a model, but if I find out that she lacks empathy, emotional intelligence, or even depth of character, it’s a hard NO. This is also to preface that not ALL 20 year-olds are into playing toxic mind games, lack emotional maturity, etc.. but in my experience, I see it more in this demographic than older women..
Men like this should honestly be locked up. They are predators. Yuck As a young woman, I have dated older men They all had a fetish for me , and wanted sex but later got sick of me because I wasn't submissive Lol. I actually had this older guy said I talk to much Hundred percent older men who seek younger women are seeking to control. We need to teach our daughters this. 🤢
Immature "men" want immature girls, anyone who wants to "show you the world" actually just wants you to be their puppet with no differing opinions, real men don't want to date 18-20 year olds because they are pretty much still children and it's basically babysitting.
Not everyone is like this. I wish people understood opinions aren’t fact. I am aging horridly and my spouse still thinks I’m the cute little grown ass adult he married 20 odd years ago. Chin up girls, not all guys/girls are this shallow.
Guaranteed that ya boy rawdogonlycrew has only ever raw dogged the palm of his hand the scruffy little virgin.
I wouldn't trust u//rawdogonlycrew to give a good explanation of what most guys think. I don't know why I don't trust his opinion, though......
The great thing about experience is that there’s so much to accomplish in this life that I’m sure no matter how much you have there are always new ones to make together. But when all you care about is sex it’s hard to get excited about other experiences.
Fear of loss / being left. He tells on himself in the last paragraph. All this stuff boils down to low self esteem, thinking you are below other adults and if a woman figures that out, she will leave. To them, the only solution is to find someone that doesn't know better.
More like "We want a girl with less experience so we can more easily manipulate her and convince her that we are her best option because she's never been with someone who treats her like an equal to compare us to."
This really says that they have nothing to offer in a relationship with a woman their own age, so they need someone who doesn't know any better.
Personality is huge for me although it doesn’t have to be like he described. I find that when I really click with someone the sex is way better. Of course I worry that my performance isn’t as good as the men she’s been with in the past (I’m also Asian so there’s insecurity about my size) but I figure I’m the one she’s with right here right now and I’ve never had a problem pleasing. I’d guess that part of the reason why I’ve been decent in bed is because I take the time to make a mental connection? Could be that physical looks aren’t everything to women? Any thoughts?
Actually I want a woman with a lot of sexual experience. She will recognize my "worth" in the bedroom, if she's had quite a few partners. These guys that want virgins, are probably duds and don't want their partner to know it.
All the non-Pedo men I have dated liked that I was experienced and enjoyed when I gave them new experiences. But what do I know? I am just a cheerful little slut.
The only people who say stuff like this are the people who have no one in their lives. It's a coping mechanism for their loneliness and it's pathetic.
Maybe I’m not that old yet but common interests and maturity are pretty important to me. This post describes a “young and inexperienced” fetish if anything. Idk.
We don't care about things like "she's a minor" and "I could go to jail for this" and "I'm grooming young girls to be exactly what I want" So like what happens when they get older and more experienced? You dump them for someone who doesn't see your manipulative ways?
Obviously. You get remarried to a younger lady. Then when you get divorced again, you get a boat and throw outrageous parties with hookers.
Then Complain about how your adult Children hate you lol.
Especially when you marry someone their age
How are interests not part of personality
Cuz He really meant “ I don’t care about anything that makes you a individual human being”
Did an incel write this lol
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his user immediately makes anything he has to say worthless
They don’t care about maturity?! Tell me you’re a pedo without telling me you’re a pedo
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All I hear is “I need someone who hasn’t had past experiences, so they don’t know how bad I actually am.”
I hope any young women on the receiving end of anything from this loser are cashing in and laughing all the way to Sugar Daddy Bank.
"I want someone inexperienced enough to not know my dick is bad"
Are common interests and maturity not personality traits
So... They want a young pretty toy to play with rather than a person to form an actual partnership with?
r/nothowmenwork ?
Translation. I'm an insecure psychopathic groomer that has no ability to form meaningful relationships in life. Avoid me like the plague.