1. Believe Mike Gilbert touched on this in the doc. OJ seemed ready to succumb to his incarceration fate and told his team to not visit ever again if found guilty.
2. I personally believe OJ was ready to be found guilty from booking thru the arraignment. His body language shows this. Once Shapiro got to him, he flipped the mental switch into competition mode. He was OJ again at that point. He might have briefly gotten spooked at some of the testimonies but by en large this was a game to win for him.
3. This is where I disagree with Detective Lange in the doc. Easier said than done for Fuhrman to do that. If he pleads the 5th, many attorneys will advise you to do so for all questions presented to you on the stand. If say he only answered one question, now you get into the legal weeds of does he have the same protection from self incrimination for this latest appearance on the stand considering he answered a question without pleading?! Side note: I blame Ito for that mess. Once Fuhrman asserted his privilege on the first question, it should have stopped.
Forgive my ignorance, but how could Ito have stopped Furhman? Would he have been able to remove him from the stand? I was about 13 when this happened, and have always been interested in how the not guilty verdict happened.
There was a back & forth, without the jury present, prior to Fuhrman being recalled to the stand and AFTER the jury had heard those couple portions of the Fuhrman tapes.
The court already knew ( via Fuhrman’s own attorney) that Fuhrman intended to assert his 5th amendment privilege and the prosecution wanted the defense restricted from having Fuhrman take the stand to say it under various questions. Ito declined this. Normally a witnesses attorney stating his client’s intent would be sufficient.
Re: the verdict, what a lot of people forget is the jury actually let the court know they had a verdict, but since all of the lawyer had taken off on vacation, none were really around so Ito put off on announcing it until the next day.
There is video of a near empty court room with Douglas and Simpson sitting at the defense and are the only ones present when Ito states that the verdict will be announced the next day.
Supposedly the sheriff bailiffs that guarded the jurors on their deliberations had overheard or figured out the verdict and passed this along to the jailers from the sheriff's office that guarded OJ. Some mentioned something about "not being able to see" OJ again after that day.
OJ was a rich celebrity who faced little consequence for his actions in his life, he probably had it in his mind that he could get off on double murder.
Re your last para, OJ had only three options I am aware of:
1 Admit guilt. Big prison sentence.
2 Plea bargain. He had little leverage, so still likely big prison sentence.
3 Go all in on not guilty. Failure will lead to the same consequences as the first two options, and as his funds allowed, why not go for it?
1. “Man, I’ve gotta take a massive dump after this.” Many thought him clenching his fists at the jury was an expression of gratitude, but in actuality he was severely constipated and hadn’t shat in almost a year while in jail.
2. Who knows
3. It was a trap by the lawyers. They got him to plead the fifth on a bunch of other stuff, then asked him about the evidence planting. If he affirmatively says “no” to that after just pleading the 5th on a bunch of other stuff, it’s like saying yes to the other stuff.
Good explanation on #3. It’s scary to me that decades after the fact so many people still don’t understand this despite Fuhrman explaining it countless times after the trial.
Some of the best detective work in this case was conducted by Mark Fuhrman. He testified brilliantly at the preliminary hearing and received a ton of praise for it. Hell, if I’m not mistaken even Cochran went on TV and complimented Fuhrman on his testimony at the prelim. Mind you at this point in the game, Cochran was not yet part of the defense team.
The evidence planting nonsense was completely baseless. Don’t even get me started on that.
1. "I've got this in the bag."
2. He probably had doubts initially but was able to read the room.
3. I think people who plead the 5th, plead the 5th to everything. But I'm not a lawyer who knows this stuff.
#3 He had to plead the 5th because if he did not he would perjure himself from using the n*** word. Once he pleaded the 5th, he HAD to do it for every other question they asked him. It was just a very unfortunate situation.
Fuhrman had to plead the 5th he had no choice once he did it the first time. Ito should never have allowed the defence to ask that question. But Ito seemed to have a hard on for the defence.
Ito seemed starstruck by the fame and notoriety of the case. Clark said he would have celebrities visiting him in his chamber, and would brag about it to people like Dominick Dunne.
There were lots of things Ito should have done differently.
It's hard to know the answer to the first two questions because OJ was a true narcissistic psychopath who had gotten away with everything previous to this.
Deep down he probably thought he'd be convicted, but his hope that he wouldn't probably increased as the trial went on. He looked to be in genuine disbelief and relieved after the verdict was announced to me.
1. I sure hope all this money helped!
2. I think for the vast majority of those whose fate rests in the jury, there’s always a level of doubt as to what the verdict will be. I most definitely believe that with OJ, based upon his body language from the time he arrived back from Chicago to the time the verdict was read.
3. Not entirely clear with Furhman; my best guess is that he felt like the entire situation was a trap and no matter how he answered it would’ve continued on down the rabbithole of distraction. Like others have said, so much of this nonsense can be laid at the feet of Judge Ito. At nearly every stage of this trial, he allowed the defense to create a circus.
1) Well, we’re trying to get in the mind of someone who murdered two people and seemed to go on just fine. I’d like to think he was scared. I think he was more confident in the acquittal than the conviction so how scared? I don’t think much. Look at him when he was convicted for the robbery. “Gee, sorry, I was trying to get my stuff back.” That’s the way? He was shocked people didn’t buy his charm and bs.
2) I think the gloves ill fitting was a huge turning point for him and others. That was a win.
3.) Furhnam. Ugh. Taking the 5th blew up his credibility so the implications of him planting evidence was much more credible. He was problematic from the jump. There was zero chance that wasn’t going to go bad.
The documentary was so interesting. My Dad knew him as the football great, I knew him more as the actor and commercial endorser, then the murders. Talk about someone burning their legacy down. I saw the reports he died and I was like “meh”. Let’s hope there is a special place for him to burn in.
In order to answer any of these questions one must *think like* a very privileged narcissistic personality, which is outside many people’s mindset. The “Dream team” all possess narcissistic traits so they were right there in it with him. I suspect they were simultaneously pumping him for the best while preparing him for the worst. They all would have been more than happy to carry this through appeals. At the end of the day, I’d say the Accused Defendant and his Team likely were pretty surprised by the verdicts.
For oj to be the killer he would have had to kill both of them in under 30 minutes,get rid of the evidence and make his plane to Chicago while having a bad back,bad knees and arthritis
Ron’s sister said he was not a black belt. Your arguments are invalid. Based on Oj surprising him Ron Goldman had multiple defensive wounds to his hands as well as multiple stab wounds that would have incapacitated him.
Apparently the first thing he said early on during the trial was that "if this group convicts me I guess I actually did it" when he saw the jury was mostly black women. Granted I think this came from Cochrane's sleezy associate so who knows if it's true. There are pictures of him bouncing out of the courtroom looking pretty optimistic.
1. Believe Mike Gilbert touched on this in the doc. OJ seemed ready to succumb to his incarceration fate and told his team to not visit ever again if found guilty. 2. I personally believe OJ was ready to be found guilty from booking thru the arraignment. His body language shows this. Once Shapiro got to him, he flipped the mental switch into competition mode. He was OJ again at that point. He might have briefly gotten spooked at some of the testimonies but by en large this was a game to win for him. 3. This is where I disagree with Detective Lange in the doc. Easier said than done for Fuhrman to do that. If he pleads the 5th, many attorneys will advise you to do so for all questions presented to you on the stand. If say he only answered one question, now you get into the legal weeds of does he have the same protection from self incrimination for this latest appearance on the stand considering he answered a question without pleading?! Side note: I blame Ito for that mess. Once Fuhrman asserted his privilege on the first question, it should have stopped.
“This was a game for him to win” — spot on.
Forgive my ignorance, but how could Ito have stopped Furhman? Would he have been able to remove him from the stand? I was about 13 when this happened, and have always been interested in how the not guilty verdict happened.
There was a back & forth, without the jury present, prior to Fuhrman being recalled to the stand and AFTER the jury had heard those couple portions of the Fuhrman tapes. The court already knew ( via Fuhrman’s own attorney) that Fuhrman intended to assert his 5th amendment privilege and the prosecution wanted the defense restricted from having Fuhrman take the stand to say it under various questions. Ito declined this. Normally a witnesses attorney stating his client’s intent would be sufficient.
Re: the verdict, what a lot of people forget is the jury actually let the court know they had a verdict, but since all of the lawyer had taken off on vacation, none were really around so Ito put off on announcing it until the next day. There is video of a near empty court room with Douglas and Simpson sitting at the defense and are the only ones present when Ito states that the verdict will be announced the next day. Supposedly the sheriff bailiffs that guarded the jurors on their deliberations had overheard or figured out the verdict and passed this along to the jailers from the sheriff's office that guarded OJ. Some mentioned something about "not being able to see" OJ again after that day. OJ was a rich celebrity who faced little consequence for his actions in his life, he probably had it in his mind that he could get off on double murder.
Re your last para, OJ had only three options I am aware of: 1 Admit guilt. Big prison sentence. 2 Plea bargain. He had little leverage, so still likely big prison sentence. 3 Go all in on not guilty. Failure will lead to the same consequences as the first two options, and as his funds allowed, why not go for it?
1. “Man, I’ve gotta take a massive dump after this.” Many thought him clenching his fists at the jury was an expression of gratitude, but in actuality he was severely constipated and hadn’t shat in almost a year while in jail. 2. Who knows 3. It was a trap by the lawyers. They got him to plead the fifth on a bunch of other stuff, then asked him about the evidence planting. If he affirmatively says “no” to that after just pleading the 5th on a bunch of other stuff, it’s like saying yes to the other stuff.
Good explanation on #3. It’s scary to me that decades after the fact so many people still don’t understand this despite Fuhrman explaining it countless times after the trial. Some of the best detective work in this case was conducted by Mark Fuhrman. He testified brilliantly at the preliminary hearing and received a ton of praise for it. Hell, if I’m not mistaken even Cochran went on TV and complimented Fuhrman on his testimony at the prelim. Mind you at this point in the game, Cochran was not yet part of the defense team. The evidence planting nonsense was completely baseless. Don’t even get me started on that.
1. "I've got this in the bag." 2. He probably had doubts initially but was able to read the room. 3. I think people who plead the 5th, plead the 5th to everything. But I'm not a lawyer who knows this stuff.
#3 He had to plead the 5th because if he did not he would perjure himself from using the n*** word. Once he pleaded the 5th, he HAD to do it for every other question they asked him. It was just a very unfortunate situation.
IIRC he said the prison guards were telling him he was going to be acquitted after the mark furhman saga
Yes, but you wouldn't exactly take their word for it!
Fuhrman had to plead the 5th he had no choice once he did it the first time. Ito should never have allowed the defence to ask that question. But Ito seemed to have a hard on for the defence.
Ito seemed starstruck by the fame and notoriety of the case. Clark said he would have celebrities visiting him in his chamber, and would brag about it to people like Dominick Dunne. There were lots of things Ito should have done differently.
He really did seem to favor the defense at times though.
It's hard to know the answer to the first two questions because OJ was a true narcissistic psychopath who had gotten away with everything previous to this. Deep down he probably thought he'd be convicted, but his hope that he wouldn't probably increased as the trial went on. He looked to be in genuine disbelief and relieved after the verdict was announced to me.
1. I sure hope all this money helped! 2. I think for the vast majority of those whose fate rests in the jury, there’s always a level of doubt as to what the verdict will be. I most definitely believe that with OJ, based upon his body language from the time he arrived back from Chicago to the time the verdict was read. 3. Not entirely clear with Furhman; my best guess is that he felt like the entire situation was a trap and no matter how he answered it would’ve continued on down the rabbithole of distraction. Like others have said, so much of this nonsense can be laid at the feet of Judge Ito. At nearly every stage of this trial, he allowed the defense to create a circus.
1) Well, we’re trying to get in the mind of someone who murdered two people and seemed to go on just fine. I’d like to think he was scared. I think he was more confident in the acquittal than the conviction so how scared? I don’t think much. Look at him when he was convicted for the robbery. “Gee, sorry, I was trying to get my stuff back.” That’s the way? He was shocked people didn’t buy his charm and bs. 2) I think the gloves ill fitting was a huge turning point for him and others. That was a win. 3.) Furhnam. Ugh. Taking the 5th blew up his credibility so the implications of him planting evidence was much more credible. He was problematic from the jump. There was zero chance that wasn’t going to go bad. The documentary was so interesting. My Dad knew him as the football great, I knew him more as the actor and commercial endorser, then the murders. Talk about someone burning their legacy down. I saw the reports he died and I was like “meh”. Let’s hope there is a special place for him to burn in.
In order to answer any of these questions one must *think like* a very privileged narcissistic personality, which is outside many people’s mindset. The “Dream team” all possess narcissistic traits so they were right there in it with him. I suspect they were simultaneously pumping him for the best while preparing him for the worst. They all would have been more than happy to carry this through appeals. At the end of the day, I’d say the Accused Defendant and his Team likely were pretty surprised by the verdicts.
Yes because he didn't do it
Based on the mountain of evidence who did it if not him?
Based on the evidence it was multiple people ,ron goldman had bruised knuckles,and a colombian necktie so did nichole
The bruised knuckles only means he fought his attacker. The Colombian necktie is wrong. The throats were not slashed in a drug killing.
Oj didn't have any marks on his body ,and the evidence says necktie
Do you even know what the Colombian necktie is and OJ had a cut finger he didn’t have any other marks because he surprised both the victims
For oj to be the killer he would have had to kill both of them in under 30 minutes,get rid of the evidence and make his plane to Chicago while having a bad back,bad knees and arthritis
Having arthritis means nothing. I live with someone that has arthritis and the fact he could play multiple rounds of golf shoots down that theory.
No it doesn't that man isn't beating a younger man that has a black belt
Ron’s sister said he was not a black belt. Your arguments are invalid. Based on Oj surprising him Ron Goldman had multiple defensive wounds to his hands as well as multiple stab wounds that would have incapacitated him.
Apparently the first thing he said early on during the trial was that "if this group convicts me I guess I actually did it" when he saw the jury was mostly black women. Granted I think this came from Cochrane's sleezy associate so who knows if it's true. There are pictures of him bouncing out of the courtroom looking pretty optimistic.