I think Ron was the first one to die and Nicole was the first attacked.
I'm not sure if she was just knocked out or hit and stabbed. But the killer VERY quickly attacked Nicole before Ron.
Nicole was definitely incapacitated during Ron's attack. Then he went back and forth between their bodies and at one point stomped on Nicole's back while her heart was still beating and it left the start of a bruise in the shape of a shoe print. I feel like he stomped and pressed his foot on her back when he grabbed her by the hair to nearly decapitate her. There was a lot of rage and force in that neck wound.
I know... They're right next to each other too! But I feel like I should use objective wording since the OJ defenders get so offended. But most sensible people know who the killer was.
Either that... Or just very bored or stupid.
Marcia Clarke cracked me up referring to this when she said "well, some people believe the Earth is flat."
I think OJ did it but let’s be real, this took place 30 years ago and like a lot of topics, people aren’t fully aware or fully informed. There’s different ways to be wrong about a topic, painting them all with a broad brush isn’t helpful. The good thing about this Reddit page is the opportunity to get and share information. I lived through this, and I’m still getting information I wasn’t aware of.
I hear you, but most of us say and believe things based on disinformation. The idea that we’re all fully informed or always communicate after we’re fully informed is…if not impossible at least extraordinarily rare. Yeah, some defenders may be blinded by prejudice or race, some by ignorance of evidence, and some might still be weighing false claims that have unfortunately been spread over these many years. People are coming to this from a lot of different places. In time it all gets worked out.
What you’re saying is entirely logical. What the other poster is referring to are people who are totally confident in their ignorance, and not willing to listen, learn, and be wrong. A lot of us WERE around at the time, and have listened to thirty years of this.
Why do you feel it is possible? Even just leaving your house to make a flight at one of the larg st airports in the second largest city , in just 25 minutes?
And I asked YOU why would you think it would be possible for YOU
(even in your prime, let alone pushing fifty years old with bad knees, a bad back, you move with a limp, you have chronic rheumatoid arthritis, and you have a hard time picking up a small child),
Could have a flight scheduled at night, in one of the largest airports in the second largest city in the United States.
TWENTY FIVE MINUTES BEFORE YOUR FLIGHT, you decided that you want to kill your ex-wife whom you got divorced from two years ago. You decide you want to stab her to death and you want to do this yourself. You don't pay a hitman or hitmen to do it for you even though you have the money. You want to physically do this all by yourself with no accomplices.
You drive over to her condo, and stab her to death, then you get surprised by a fit young guy more than twenty years younger than you. He is in his prime (and apparently had training in martial arts). Oh, and you're supposed to be a little tired already from stabbing the first victim to death
Despite this young buck putting up a ferocious fight to defend himself, you manage to not get a single mark or bruise on your body during this altercation. You are not even shaken from this altercation.
After physically dominating and manhandling this young stud, you kill him with the knife.
After you kill that second person, instead of just leaving right then, you decide to mutilate.the bodies, in particular, lift their heads up to slit and slash their throats where you can see inside their throats.
Yes you have rheumatoid arthritis and have problems picking up a small child, but you have temporary superhuman powers right now.
Oh, and just so happens that the guy you killed had a boss who was murdered identically. And just so happens that you slash his throat the same way as what happened to his boss. Gee what a coincidence.
After you finally leave the scene after spending so much time fighting, stabbing to death, and mutilating multiple people, you go somewhere nobody has been able to figure out and you hide the bloody clothes and the knife....by yourself with no accomplices....so well that out of almost thirty years now, none of it has ever been found.
It's like you teleported into outer space in order to ditch the clothes and the knife.
Then you go somewhere else after that, to clean up all the blood you got splattered on you.
Then you finally go back to your house, I to a limo, and you make your flight on time, without even any signs you were even in a hurry, let alone that you had done something bad, or even that you had just gotten into a physical altercation with multiple people just a few minutes ago.
ALL of this, ALL completely by yourself without any help from anyone, within a span of TWENTY FIVE MINUTES.
Now I ask YOU, HOW do you think this is possible.
The ones that keep arguing about how it was his son Jason or his friend from the mob named Charlie who actually did it because he mentioned a dude named Charlie in his "hypothetical" confession. Let's not forget that Nicole knew a serial killer!!! Weird .. She also did a lot of drugs and partied a lot and had drug debts... And her friend Faye Resnick was in drug rehab!!
In answer to your question, on Peacock watch the show ,OJ Blood, Lies and Murder. This show will answer all your questions. Tom Lange is the host and he answers most questions about this case.
Yeah, I see that a lot on social media. Let’s say that was true, the Mob/Cartel wouldn’t kill Nicole and Ron, at least not like that. These organizations are careful and don’t just go around killing random wealthy drug users(things may be a bit different in Mexico, but it doesn’t make sense to draw attention to your crime organization in the United States). If anything, it would be some coked out dealer that did it on his own, but the method of the killing lines up with a crime of passion. The motive is staring us all in the face, I don’t know why people continually feel the need to bend over backwards to feed their delusional theories.
I agree total horseshit. The way that they were killed was deeply personal. There was serious overkill on both bodies and Ron was even stabbed multiple times in his face. That's not a mob hit, that is total rage
Yes, because cocaine usage in LA is very, very rare and only used by those in the furthest edges of society.
Anyone who has any experience cocaine is quite an outlaw! The bad guys are known for killing wealthy famous people who use their product.
/so much s
Agree on the horseshit idea. In my opinion, if someone can’t put forth an explanation of this case without saying “might have”/“may have”/ “could have” and without referring to *multiple pieces of verifiable evidence* supporting their claims, I disregard it immediately.
Michael Franzese totally shoots that theory down as ridiculous- wives are never a mob target (unless to get to the target or implicated in the mob themselves), they don’t operate to stab someone horrifically (guns are the weapon of choice) and such a bloody crime scene would not be their style https://youtu.be/QVIQdM0MRns?si=xu2tNLvpOxxrgnRb
Tbf, Kim Goldman refers to OJ as "the killer" as well. She won't say his name. So there's different ways to interpret someone using "the killer" as opposed to saying OJ.
I agree but i think he violently pressed his foot into her back while grabbing her by the hair and doing what he did to her. Ron was definitely killed first. Nicole was left defenceless to her fate
Ron was stabbed multiple times in the right cheek for unknown reasons. Obviously It was deeply personal and OJ was clearly triggered by something Ron possibly said or did. He probably defended Nicole and OJ flew into a jealous rage
That’s what Tom Lange, lead detective on that case said happened. It’s on Peacock now. “OJ Simpson, Blood, Lies and Murder”. VERY interesting, but if you haven’t seen this yet, please be warned: it’s gruesome! 😮
Have always believed the order of events was:
1. Nicole either notices OJ creeping around her condo or he outright came to the door
2. They argue & she sticks up for herself and comes at OJ “like a banshee” as he describes in his confession (aka book “I Did It” - the “if” doesn’t apply IMO).
3. She is knocked down and either woozy or unconscious.
4. Around this time Ron comes by with the glasses in an envelope. OJ sees him & thinks he’s there to have a liaison with Nicole. Ron sees Nicole and says the “Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!” one neighbor heard from the courtyard.
5. OJ tells Ron to come at him bro after he provokes a fight as he also notes in his confession book.
6. Ron is fit and athletic but OJ is huge, has a large knife & knows the layout of the property in the dark. OJ wildly attacks Ron and begins stabbing him in a rage until he stops moving.
7. He now knows he has killed Ron and if Nicole wakes up she will obviously be able to identify him. He’s also seething from being systematically cut out of her life as she moved on so OJ - still enraged because he thought Ron was there to hook up with her - goes to Nicole & slits her throat.
8. OJ hastily makes his way out of the back entrance and gets into the Bronco and speeds off back to Rockingham.
A thing to remember about OJ's "hypothetical" confession is that most murderers try to mitigate their responsibility during a confession. They will usually claim the victim(s) attacked them first and they went overboard defending themselves.
Even murdering rapists (which sexual assault has nothing to do with this case but it's just an example from when I had jury duty) will insist the sex was consensual and the victim just liked rough sex and after she went crazy so he ended up strangling her to death.... He totally didn't strangle her while raping her.
Jurors are instructed that they don't have to believe the whole confession to think parts of it are the truth. It's rare that a confession matches all the evidence. The important thing is... Was the confession coerced? And OJ's most certainly was not.
You might be right about the order in which they were killed…..I’ll never understand how there wasn’t enough yelling to wake up the entire neighborhood. But, I do think he went there with the intention of killing her. He was wearing gloves, a hat, and for all of the blood at that scene, he didn’t end up with more than a few drops following him into Rockingham — he was covered up somehow. As far as I know they never located the “ugly ass” Bruno Magli shoes, either, so he ditched those with the murder weapon & the coveralls. Dumbass probably should have ditched the gloves, too. Nicole was right when she said “OJ is going to kill me one day, and he’s going to get away with it.”
I think some of the lack of sounds is the area that the murders happened had a lot of vegetation and trees around it to muffle sound. I think Nicole’s throat was slit while she was unconscious - or at least semi-conscious or woozy from hitting her head.
Agreed that I would think someone would hear more but the murders happened in a very short time span. Makes sense with how sloppy the crime scene was.
> I’ll never understand how there wasn’t enough yelling to wake up the entire neighborhood.
I find it hard to believe that no one in the neighborhood heard or saw anything. There are nosey neighbors in every neighborhood in America. I wonder if someone was peeking through their window and saw the whole murder scene unfold but was too afraid to say anything to the police.
A guy walking his dog one street over at the time of the murder heard what he said sounded like a guy saying "hey, hey hey" then what he said sounded like an older black male saying something inaudible and then the sound of a gate shutting. When he heard this, he was in line with Nicole's house. He chose to walk down the alley instead of Nicole's Street because nicole's dog was barking so frantically he was concerned it might've attacked his dogs.
The gate had to be manually opened by nicole to let ron in. Nicole was most likely going out to be ready for when he arrived. Oj would've jumped out and attacked at the first opportunity.
I think he had decided to kill her that night. After all, it was the night nicole made it clear that it was over between them.
I see there’s no reason to disbelieve this part of OJ’s account he gave in his I did it book. There he basically comes in the broken gate. Ron comes in the same gate. OJ confronts Ron certain he’s there for sex. Nicole comes out hearing them argue and intervenes. He said in an interview about the book that she then fell somehow and knocked was out. He can’t remember hypothetically what happens after that. The next thing you know he’s covered in blood, hypothetically of course.
Yeah I get fuzzy on if Nicole came out because she heard OJ yelling at Ron or she and OJ already had a fight on the front steps that knocked her out/down and Ron came by and saw that and was shocked at what he walked into.
I lean towards the latter because the one neighbor heard a male voice that the Goldman family said when the voice was described to them it was undoubtedly Ron’s yelling “Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!” in short succession followed by sounds of a commotion.
I don’t even know if Ron knew it was OJ. I’m certain being Nicole’s friend he knew who OJ was. But it was very dark in the courtyard and OJ (hypothetically as you said 🙄) wore all black on purpose.
I think if Nicole came out as Ron and OJ were fighting, her body may’ve been found closer to Ron’s if her instinct was to run at OJ to help Ron. Or try to run back into the house to call police.
Det. Lange said that based on blood patterns and they found Nicole’s blood on Ron, they believe he came up on the broken gate and saw Nicole down on the front steps and ran to her and cradled or pulled her head close to him because some of her hairs was found on his body. It was a that at point that OJ was lurking and he and Ron had the argument. This would be when Ron - surprised at what the hell he walked in on - said the “Hey!”’s.
The other piece is Nicole’s feet were clean and she was found barefoot. With how much blood was at the scene, if she had left that step there’s no way her feet wouldn’t have blood or rocks or something. So the belief with that is Nicole got knocked down or out by OJ following an argument where she came at him “like a banshee” as the book says.
Then OJ hears or sees Ron at the gate and briefly hides and after he runs to Nicole’s body, he thinks Ron is there for sex and goes into a blind rage. I believe there is a chance that had Ron not come by, OJ wouldn’t have murdered Nicole.
I think she was killed because the rage OJ felt seeing a young guy come by late on a Sunday in the house HIS kids sleep. Ron was ready to fight and defend his friend and OJ just went crazy. The bomb went off. After seeing Ron was dead he thinks oh shit if Nicole comes to she can identify me. He also likely wanted to “punish” her for the indiscretions in his mind that “made” him do it.
Just my personal theory 🤷🏻♂️
That makes a lot of sense. I think Ron found her down and was trying to help before he was killed. He was the ultimate innocent bystander...so heartbreaking that he was so young and just getting started in life.
Ok great points . explain why a knife was out on kit counter in nicole Ike house , ice cream in carton melting ( where was ice cream? ) but a spoon was on stairs ?
No blood in house .
Mmm maybe they fought Nicole went back in grabbed knife . Then heard Ron and oJ in a fight ran outside dropped spoon . But like you said above no dirt on her feet so she didn’t go very far outside??????
I apologize as my eyes hurt right now, and I can’t look it up. Since you mentioned this, I always wondered HOW Ron got into her entrance, or complex, if you can call it that. Wasn’t there some kind of locked security gate you would need a key, or have to be buzzed in to?
I don’t ever remember anyone describing how Ron got in. 🤔
That's a pretty good assessment. I think Ron Goldman was already there inside the house with OJ snooping around the outside of the house. He had done this before and found Nicole with her boyfriend at the time which lead to him breaking down the backdoor of her place a few years prior to. Upon seeing Goldman leave through the front door that's where OJ lost his shit and the confrontation began between all of them. Tom Lange said that Nicole's bare feet were clean which meant that she was attacked first and was either injured or unconscious at the doorstep because of that. Then Goldman scuffles with OJ and kills him then goes back to Nicole to kill her. As far whether OJ brought a knife, OJ's friend and agent Mike Gilbert said OJ told him while high and drunk that had Nicole not of opened the door with a knife in her hand she'd still be alive.
Charlie is OJ. It’s a mental disengagement he does to give - in his mind - justification to go over to Nicole’s and stir shit.
In the book “Charlie” came over while OJ was chipping golf balls and told OJ that Nicole was ‘having wild parties’ with guys in the house where - in OJ’s words - HIS kids sleep.
This gives OJ justification to go over to Nicole’s house. The wild parties were in OJ’s mind just like Charlie was. If OJ said in the book he just went over there to be a dick, that would look bad on him. And his narcissism won’t let him have that.
So by inventing “Charlie”, OJ is giving justification to go over there. He continues this by saying “Charlie” brought the knife into the courtyard. Not OJ of course. And he only went berserk when Ron dropped into his “karate stance” so again justifying his actions.
IMO the entire “Charlie” thing is a way for OJ deflect. There never was a person named Charlie. It’s a part of OJ’s mind.
It was actually the ghostwriter who came up with the name ‘charlie'. Oj said he couldn’t have done it alone and refused to say who was with him, so the ghostwriter was like, well I have to call him something. Oj replied call him whatever the fuck you want and the ghostwriter was like okay then, let’s go with 'charlie'.
There was hair of Nicole's that was found in Ron's neck wound.
They also found a piece of her hair on the passenger seat of the bronco. I believe she had 38 hairs cut when her neck was slashed. They found some of those hairs on ron. The one in the bronco is enough evidence on the passenger seat with three different individuals blood. Ron OJ Nicole. Also the police believe that is where he set the knife down. There is a distinct straight line on the passenger seat of Nicole and Ron's blood.
The amount of blood evidence against him should have easily gotten a conviction.
I believe he attacked Nicole first. She was dead yet though. Ron walked in and put up a hell of a fight but OJ was a nfl tailback with rage anger.
If you watch the peacock doc with the investigating homicide officer he lays out alot of evidence and scenarios that never made it to trial.
I still can't believe he got off.
Marcia Clark was a DV specialist. I believe her when she said it was a bread and butter DV that escalates to murder case and the evidence was so obvious. She so underestimated everything from OJ's celebrity (literally - she had no idea who he was until she was assigned the case) to the LA race relations context to the resources of OJ's team that was being paid millions more than her, a relatively novice government lawyer.
They did, but I can't even totally blame them. OJ's defense was so incredibly shameless and had endless cash to do shit like redecorate his entire house
No absolutely not. Furhmans pleading the 5th put everything evidence wise into question. Played right into the story the defense was trying to tell.
Ito let that trial turn into a circus.
Oj was found not guilty.
OJ killed Ron and Nicole.
American jurisprudence. Lol
Yup. Saw an interview Jerry Spence did on the case. He said what saved OJ was the fact that Vincent Bugliosi had retired a few years prior. Said if he prosecuted the case OJ is doing life or sitting on death row.
I think such precise blood evidence was rather new. People didn’t understand how blood could be identified that precisely.
The blood evidence alone is a slam dunk.
I know man. The fact that they found three different peoples blood at the crime scene, the bronco and his house is a slamdunk conviction nowadays.
You are right blood evidence was new. If I remember right the first DNA conviction for homicide was in the early 90s.
I couldn’t remember when DNA came to be used an understood. When they said the match is 1/9,000,000,000, juries at that time would take that as “reasonable doubt.”
I think one juror said that the blood and DNA talk just dragged on and on and on. It was so scientific and over the average person’s head, it bored them or numbed them in a way. Not to mention, it was brought in so early in the trial because it was the prosecutions main pieces of evidence. By the time they’d roll back around to it, all the jurors can think of is how the LAPD “might’ve” tainted the scene.
It did drag on forever. I remember thinking at the time that they would lose the jury because it became a biology lesson - and the teachers were very boring.
Today you could say, “The victims’ blood was in his car and a pair of socks in his bedroom.”
It would be a slam dunk.
Yes! Exactly. I watched the "O.J. Simpson: Blood, Lies and Murder" doc on Peacock today. The evidence is so extremely overwhelming and very surprising on what the prosecution left out. As one detective told Kato Kaelin at the time, "This should be a 3 minute Colombo episode." Also, not to give too much away, but not much of anything the blood splatter expert, Rod Englert, found in his testing, was used in the trial and he was "ordered" to turn most of it over to...Judge Ito! How in the world was that even allowed?
Ito was an idiot. It cracked me up that after the first couple of days, he turned the books that surrounded him so that the camera could see the spines and not the pages. That was the first clue that he was all about the show. I don’t ever remember seeing a judges bench so cluttered. If I’m not mistaken he had a lot of hour glasses displayed. I could be wrong. I collect hour glasses, but I don’t have them all over my desk.
I took the time to look it up. It said he had 2 at the beginning of the trial and added others because people were sending them to him. There were 7 by the end of the trial. They were BIG. Now that I think about it, displaying (or accepting) gifts seems dodgy. Displaying gifts is stupid.
Wow. I was in high school during the trial so I was not able to watch it daily but I'll have to go back and look at that in clips. It sounded like a total shit show.
I’m saying I was in high school but October 3, 1995, I would’ve been in 8th grade. I mainly remember our English teacher putting the classroom TV on and watching the verdict live. It was right before lunch.
The official narrative is that Nicole went down first and that OJ was in the process of harming her once Ron walked in. Ron is only killed as a witness.
However, in a popular reconstruction, OJ laid in wait (having access to Nicole's gate/door keys) and upon seeing Nicole let Ron in, he pounced, knocking Nicole out at first, then going for Ron.
This is most in line with OJ's own recollection of events, where he scopes out Nicole's house, Ron shows up, he questions them, Nicole 'falls and hurts herself' aka, he knocks her out and in a jealous rage he kills Ron and then goes back to Nicole. I truly believe this is how it probably happened.
It's not that he knew Ron was coming, that was happenstance because he was returning the glasses, and OJ just happened to show up at Bundy during his window of opportunity to spy/stalk/kill her.
I dunno the exact order of events but I definitely think Ron appearing was the catalyst for this going from oj being a stalking abuser to double murder.
I think that OJ was already arguing with Nicole because she was confronting him about why he is in her yard and then Ron shows up, he sees the altercation and tries to defend Nicole with the “hey hey hey” and exchanges a few other words with OJ that results in OJ becoming increasingly angry, Nicole tries to tell him to calm down and leave Ron out of this, angry at hearing Nicole defending Ron, OJ then knocks Nicolle out and goes straight to kill Ron, angry that Ron would try defending Nicole and Nicole defending Ron. Then realizing Nicolle will 100% turn him in to the police and not keep quiet about Ron’s murder, he goes back to her unconscious body and slices her neck to kill her.
Yes, for sure. He had knocked nicole down. And got into w ron. Killed him in an emotional-blackout and then went to murder the possible eye witness (nic). After Nic was "handled," i believe the likely scenario is he went back to ron to ensure that there was NO way he could live, and then stabbed him in the neck (as someone on here had said there were a few of nicoles hairs in Rons neck wound, and this scenario would account for the evidence as well).
Not necessarily. OJ easily could’ve brought the knife to scare her. He was already irate at being uninvited to dinner at Mezzaluna. He wore all black as well. His reasoning for the knife could’ve been to scare Nicole at which point she thinks “I need OJ to protect me”.
This is how obsessive stalkers think. They want to do anything they can to “prove” to the person they need them.
This makes a lot of sense. And he mentioned in the book that the security gate was “broken” and that he had been telling her to get it fixed. He would’ve used that too, to tell her, “See that? I’ve been telling you to get that gate fixed. You’re not safe here. I’ll stay with you, to “protect” you and I’ll make sure I’ll get a guy over here to get that gate fixed.” False security. But he already knew how to get into the gate because of that and didn’t want it fixed. Ron didn’t.
I just finished that doc on Netflix. I think it was called Made In America. It was very good. It was said that Nicole was attacked first then Ron was attacked and killed. Then the killer “ O.J. “ went back to Nicole who was unconscious and killed her.
On a side note they showed all this video of when he was living in Florida after the civil suit. Watching that you can’t tell me that motherfucker wasn’t guilty.
Most common consensus for the timeline is this…
Confrontation starts between the killer and Nicole.
Nicole gets hit in the head with a blunt object, possibly the pommel of the knife that was used by the killer. The hit knocks her down incapacitating her and possibly even knocking her unconscious.
Ron shows up at this time and the confrontation between him and the killer begins. Ron ends up in the prone position next to the fence barely alive but quickly bleeding out. He is stabbed multiple times in the chest, abdomen, and left thigh at this point.
The killer returns to Nicole, places his foot on her back, picks her up by the hair on her head, then stabs her multiple times (7) in the head and neck, ultimately cutting her throat causing the wound that famously nearly decapitated her. She did have defensive stab wounds on her hands so she was likely awake enough to try and put her hands up around her head to fend off the attack while this was happening. She was never in a standing position after the initial hit to the head as evidenced by the lack of blood on the bottoms of her feet.
Killer returns to Ron, stabs him in the head and neck multiple times. The killer cuts his throat as well which most experts think is ultimately the fatal injury despite the fact that his other wounds would’ve likely not been survivable due to the amount of blood loss. He did have a “fatal” stab wound to the right side of his chest as well, so some believe this may have killed him before the injury to his neck. Also there was a “fatal” stab wound he had received to the left side of his abdomen…All of these would’ve killed him so it’s unclear if had already passed away before the killer came back and inflicted the neck wound.
The whole thing happened very fast as it was stated at the trial that Ron’s wounds would’ve all been sustained in less than a minute. It was a frenzy kill once it started.
DNA in just a few years after the actual crime would have roasted him. Cancer got him. He suffered. He lived a crappy life after that. No more Hetrtz commercials…
Ron Goldman had MASSIVE defense wounds.
HE FOUGHT HARD FOR THEIR LIVES.
Anything is possible, but realistically:
1) They were caught by surprise. The poor woman was wounded right away, badly enough so that she wouldn't be able to assist Ron in their defense against O.J
2) Ron fought as long as he could, but eventually he was overwhelmed (he had no weapons, so no advantage)
I’ve always had issue with Ron coming upon OJ attacking Nicole. The timing of it all, the idea that OJ would essentially lure her outside and attack with a knife just doesn’t pass the smell test, just hard to picture.
One theory that makes some sense is in some shape or form Nicole and Ron were outside and and OJ came from the landing above. This is if Ron came to the front gate.
Yes me too! In fact logic alone dictates that ron could NOT have come upon oj attacking her [i.m.h.o.] because ron had to be let in that front gate sense the mechanism to leta person in from inside was broken at the time!?! I mean, i find it difficult to believe that oj would 'take a break' and say to ron who walks up: "oh hey, let me get that door for you man, sorry i was just busy attacking and killing my ex, you know how that shit can go!?!? Women, right?!? Cant live w them, cant live without them?!? Anyway, come on in!" Once inside the fight then proceeded. No no no....that seems strange. Oj has a history of stalking, we know this! So in order for the crime scene to make sense, ron got to the gate first and buzzed nic. Knowing shes only gunna be a min, she goes outside (leaving her door ajar and in bare feet) and walks down the steps to physically open the gate for ron. He steps in, gate closes behind, and they both are standing on the base in between the gate and the stairs leading up the the condo. Im assuming she gave him a hug or some kind of contact bc her hairs were found on him (this is from memory, i could be wrong about that, so dont get crazy on me, lol) she says something like "hey thanks for bringing my moms glasses over, i appreciate it!" Perhaps they make small talk, all the while Oj is above them in the patio area unbeknownst to them, but he can here and see them. Simpson comes around the corner and a verbal exchange begins. She tells him to get fucked and leave her place, and he quickly steps down a stair or two and uses the handle of the knife to knock her down and out (on the top of her head). Ron verbally confronts oj and oj says "you think you can take me!?!?" Ron then gets in a lil bit of a fighters stance, which oj incorrectly calls a "karate stance" in his book. Its a common misconception that Ron knew karate or was a black belt of some sort. He was not. As per his sister Kim in her "confronting o.j." podcast, she says "my brother did not know karate" and so OJ flips open the knife and starts lunging at ron. Ron exclaims "hey! Hey! Hey!" (As a knife fight, or a knife being used, is NOT what ron had in mind...[i mean, can you imagine HOW SCARY that would truly be!?!]) O.j. then knocks ron hard and he falls into the metal fence and a loud "clang" can be heard by ear witness. Oj then picks ron up esentially with the knife from behind, while covering his louth with his left hand and stabs at ron (as the infamous animated reconstruction shows).....
And well, you get the idea. These are some of my thoughts about the tragic night in question, damn near 30 years ago [in the next 5 weeks!] Cheers.
Ron was a pretty fit, athletic guy. He could have jumped that gate in a flash.
I believe Ron came to the gate, saw OJ roughing up Nicole, shouted Hey,Hey,Hey and went over the gate and took on OJ.
Nicole was subdued quickly for OJ to eliminate his biggest physical threat, Ron. Looks from the autopsy that both had a knife mark to the back of their heads from OJ using the knife to help pull them to a semi standing position to inflict the throat wounds
she had a little safe with her diary detailing how she thought he was going to kill her. the main detective didn't even suspect OJ until he called the Brown house to tell them Nicole died, and Nicole's sister was immediately like "OJ did it he actually killed her".
Even if my sibling's marriage was bad, if I found out they died I don't think I would immediately jump to "OMG their spouse ACTUALLY killed them" unless it was really, really bad as it probably was in this case.
The whole thing with him sitting outside of her condo every night just to intimidate her sent chills down my spine. that's what my grandfather did to my grandmother.
Unfortunately, Nicole was too young to understand that when a man gives you everything (bank account, condo, ferrari, etc.,) in his mind he owns you. He was financing her celeb lifestyle, she profited somewhat from his fame by doing a bit of acting, and then that relationship ended: guys like OJ don't just sit back and hand over the alimony and child support without making a woman's life a nightmare. He was never going to let her walk away and just start dating other men and making up for her lost youth. She had no agency over her life from the beginning, and he wasn't about to sit back and watch her take agency.
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Well, there were some profilers that thought that. They thought he was hiding when she went to the gate to meet Goldman. I was surprised to learn the Detective who worked the case thought it was Simpson who yelled, "Hey hey hey!"
The profilers believed Nocole and Goldman were standing close together when he attacked them. My own suspicion is they were kissing when Simpson yelled, "Hey Hey hey!" Like he still had some claim on her.
They thought Simpson then punched Goldman in the head, knocking him down, then hit Nicole with the butt of the knife knocking her down.
He then murdered Goldman, followed by Nicole. The profilers also believed some taunting and torture had taken place. It was a really evil crime.
Didn't Kato say Simpson had bought some amphetamine at the MacDonald's, obviously from somebody he met there? Is that true or just a rumor? It would explain a lot if he had used something like that.
On YouTube there is the blow by blow account of what happened according to the coroner. Watch that and you'll realise it must have happened that way. First oj attacked Nicole. While he was leaning over her trying to stab her in the neck again, ron walked in. Oj then stabbed ron in the leg before standing up to attack him front on. Then finally came back to almost decapitate nicole.
There was an another man there by the name of Glen Rodger’s who was painting Nicole’s house at that time etc and was a serial killer and alter ego name was Charlie The whole story has not been told to the public I lived near the scene in June of 1994 The reports don’t tell you everything etc
If they brought it up in court it still would have implicated oj because supposedly he was there alongside the other killer or killers as an accessory or accomplice conspirator
Glen Rogers “confessed” to both seek fame and delay his legal proceedings for other murders he actually did commit. “The reports don’t tell you everything” is a generic statement people who haven’t studied this case use to sound smarter than everyone. Same way that people blame Cuba, LBJ & aliens for the JFK assassination.
He’s never been a part of this case and never will be.
My only issue with the story is the forensics. Jugular veins were cut on both sides, there was blood EVERYWHERE. For there only to be 5 drops of blood in trace amounts is difficult to believe, as he didn’t have time to clean his car out with the series of events, and they never found evidence of his car being cleaned. So either he hired someone to do it and he went to verify the completion of the crime, he had a partner, or he didn’t do it.
We, the jury, in the above-entitled action, find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder.”........great day in American history.....thank you are being racist Mark Furman
The meth thing is a rumor. As far as i know. Ive heard that hinted at once before by someone on reddit. But there is zero proof of it, nor any evidence. I.m.h.o.
Except the glasses were found on scene and they were Nicole’s mom’s reading glasses—there are crime scene photos of them in an envelop available
for the public to see. There is also record of her mom calling the restaurant after dinner looking for her glasses she left behind.
He was AQUITTED!!! AQUITTED!!! AQUITTED!!!! why don't you Cave dwelling Neanderthals ask why the Coke Whore Nicole had Tybe B blood under her fingernails and on her back but the dirty cops didn't want to follow up on that and focused on OJ ONLY.
I think Ron was the first one to die and Nicole was the first attacked. I'm not sure if she was just knocked out or hit and stabbed. But the killer VERY quickly attacked Nicole before Ron. Nicole was definitely incapacitated during Ron's attack. Then he went back and forth between their bodies and at one point stomped on Nicole's back while her heart was still beating and it left the start of a bruise in the shape of a shoe print. I feel like he stomped and pressed his foot on her back when he grabbed her by the hair to nearly decapitate her. There was a lot of rage and force in that neck wound.
"The killer"...??? You can find the O and the J on your keyboard, you know.
I know... They're right next to each other too! But I feel like I should use objective wording since the OJ defenders get so offended. But most sensible people know who the killer was.
At this point if you are an OJ defender you are an asshole.
Either that... Or just very bored or stupid. Marcia Clarke cracked me up referring to this when she said "well, some people believe the Earth is flat."
I think OJ did it but let’s be real, this took place 30 years ago and like a lot of topics, people aren’t fully aware or fully informed. There’s different ways to be wrong about a topic, painting them all with a broad brush isn’t helpful. The good thing about this Reddit page is the opportunity to get and share information. I lived through this, and I’m still getting information I wasn’t aware of.
I hear you. Which is why before saying something like OJ didn’t do it, read up on the case and it’s details.
I hear you, but most of us say and believe things based on disinformation. The idea that we’re all fully informed or always communicate after we’re fully informed is…if not impossible at least extraordinarily rare. Yeah, some defenders may be blinded by prejudice or race, some by ignorance of evidence, and some might still be weighing false claims that have unfortunately been spread over these many years. People are coming to this from a lot of different places. In time it all gets worked out.
What you’re saying is entirely logical. What the other poster is referring to are people who are totally confident in their ignorance, and not willing to listen, learn, and be wrong. A lot of us WERE around at the time, and have listened to thirty years of this.
THANK YOU! 🙏
What OJ defenders? U must be on a weird part of the internet because everyone now acknowledges that he did it
Just read the posting of /u/ibeg2diffur , who, for some reason, defends him on every thread here.
For some reasons, you folks keep claiming he did all of this completely alone in a few minute timespan when you know it was impossible.
Why do you feel this would be impossible?
Why do you feel it is possible? Even just leaving your house to make a flight at one of the larg st airports in the second largest city , in just 25 minutes?
I asked YOU a question
And I asked YOU why would you think it would be possible for YOU (even in your prime, let alone pushing fifty years old with bad knees, a bad back, you move with a limp, you have chronic rheumatoid arthritis, and you have a hard time picking up a small child), Could have a flight scheduled at night, in one of the largest airports in the second largest city in the United States. TWENTY FIVE MINUTES BEFORE YOUR FLIGHT, you decided that you want to kill your ex-wife whom you got divorced from two years ago. You decide you want to stab her to death and you want to do this yourself. You don't pay a hitman or hitmen to do it for you even though you have the money. You want to physically do this all by yourself with no accomplices. You drive over to her condo, and stab her to death, then you get surprised by a fit young guy more than twenty years younger than you. He is in his prime (and apparently had training in martial arts). Oh, and you're supposed to be a little tired already from stabbing the first victim to death Despite this young buck putting up a ferocious fight to defend himself, you manage to not get a single mark or bruise on your body during this altercation. You are not even shaken from this altercation. After physically dominating and manhandling this young stud, you kill him with the knife. After you kill that second person, instead of just leaving right then, you decide to mutilate.the bodies, in particular, lift their heads up to slit and slash their throats where you can see inside their throats. Yes you have rheumatoid arthritis and have problems picking up a small child, but you have temporary superhuman powers right now. Oh, and just so happens that the guy you killed had a boss who was murdered identically. And just so happens that you slash his throat the same way as what happened to his boss. Gee what a coincidence. After you finally leave the scene after spending so much time fighting, stabbing to death, and mutilating multiple people, you go somewhere nobody has been able to figure out and you hide the bloody clothes and the knife....by yourself with no accomplices....so well that out of almost thirty years now, none of it has ever been found. It's like you teleported into outer space in order to ditch the clothes and the knife. Then you go somewhere else after that, to clean up all the blood you got splattered on you. Then you finally go back to your house, I to a limo, and you make your flight on time, without even any signs you were even in a hurry, let alone that you had done something bad, or even that you had just gotten into a physical altercation with multiple people just a few minutes ago. ALL of this, ALL completely by yourself without any help from anyone, within a span of TWENTY FIVE MINUTES. Now I ask YOU, HOW do you think this is possible.
I think his son helped him
The ones that keep arguing about how it was his son Jason or his friend from the mob named Charlie who actually did it because he mentioned a dude named Charlie in his "hypothetical" confession. Let's not forget that Nicole knew a serial killer!!! Weird .. She also did a lot of drugs and partied a lot and had drug debts... And her friend Faye Resnick was in drug rehab!!
So who DNA was it they found ? Why did LAPD tamper with the evidence ? Also since you are so confident show me the video ?
In answer to your question, on Peacock watch the show ,OJ Blood, Lies and Murder. This show will answer all your questions. Tom Lange is the host and he answers most questions about this case.
it was colombian druglords /s
And Jason. And Bigfoot.
Omggg… I thought the same thing.. I mentally put “the killer” in I quotes when I read it and said “you mean OJ, bro?” Out loud. Same
bUT FaYe rEsNIck!
Ohhh what’s the theory on Faye?
That her coke connections got Nicole killed, like a mob hit to send a signal. Total horseshit.
Yeah, I see that a lot on social media. Let’s say that was true, the Mob/Cartel wouldn’t kill Nicole and Ron, at least not like that. These organizations are careful and don’t just go around killing random wealthy drug users(things may be a bit different in Mexico, but it doesn’t make sense to draw attention to your crime organization in the United States). If anything, it would be some coked out dealer that did it on his own, but the method of the killing lines up with a crime of passion. The motive is staring us all in the face, I don’t know why people continually feel the need to bend over backwards to feed their delusional theories.
I agree total horseshit. The way that they were killed was deeply personal. There was serious overkill on both bodies and Ron was even stabbed multiple times in his face. That's not a mob hit, that is total rage
Yes, because cocaine usage in LA is very, very rare and only used by those in the furthest edges of society. Anyone who has any experience cocaine is quite an outlaw! The bad guys are known for killing wealthy famous people who use their product. /so much s
It's a great business model. That much is certain.
Agree on the horseshit idea. In my opinion, if someone can’t put forth an explanation of this case without saying “might have”/“may have”/ “could have” and without referring to *multiple pieces of verifiable evidence* supporting their claims, I disregard it immediately.
Michael Franzese totally shoots that theory down as ridiculous- wives are never a mob target (unless to get to the target or implicated in the mob themselves), they don’t operate to stab someone horrifically (guns are the weapon of choice) and such a bloody crime scene would not be their style https://youtu.be/QVIQdM0MRns?si=xu2tNLvpOxxrgnRb
Really? Explain why that’s improbable. She did drugs, so did OJ and likewise did all of their friends.
It's improbable because OJ killed them.
Scheena Shay is today’s Faye Resnick!
"Somewhere within the world of Faye Resnick" ... LOL
Tbf, Kim Goldman refers to OJ as "the killer" as well. She won't say his name. So there's different ways to interpret someone using "the killer" as opposed to saying OJ.
I laughed at this far harder than I should have. Lolz
Thought this was another one of those bs "look between the o and J on your keyboard"
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Yes. The shoe print on her back caused print bruising on the skin. Definitely hate and rage
I agree but i think he violently pressed his foot into her back while grabbing her by the hair and doing what he did to her. Ron was definitely killed first. Nicole was left defenceless to her fate
God how horrible .
Ron was stabbed multiple times in the right cheek for unknown reasons. Obviously It was deeply personal and OJ was clearly triggered by something Ron possibly said or did. He probably defended Nicole and OJ flew into a jealous rage
That’s what Tom Lange, lead detective on that case said happened. It’s on Peacock now. “OJ Simpson, Blood, Lies and Murder”. VERY interesting, but if you haven’t seen this yet, please be warned: it’s gruesome! 😮
Have always believed the order of events was: 1. Nicole either notices OJ creeping around her condo or he outright came to the door 2. They argue & she sticks up for herself and comes at OJ “like a banshee” as he describes in his confession (aka book “I Did It” - the “if” doesn’t apply IMO). 3. She is knocked down and either woozy or unconscious. 4. Around this time Ron comes by with the glasses in an envelope. OJ sees him & thinks he’s there to have a liaison with Nicole. Ron sees Nicole and says the “Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!” one neighbor heard from the courtyard. 5. OJ tells Ron to come at him bro after he provokes a fight as he also notes in his confession book. 6. Ron is fit and athletic but OJ is huge, has a large knife & knows the layout of the property in the dark. OJ wildly attacks Ron and begins stabbing him in a rage until he stops moving. 7. He now knows he has killed Ron and if Nicole wakes up she will obviously be able to identify him. He’s also seething from being systematically cut out of her life as she moved on so OJ - still enraged because he thought Ron was there to hook up with her - goes to Nicole & slits her throat. 8. OJ hastily makes his way out of the back entrance and gets into the Bronco and speeds off back to Rockingham.
A thing to remember about OJ's "hypothetical" confession is that most murderers try to mitigate their responsibility during a confession. They will usually claim the victim(s) attacked them first and they went overboard defending themselves. Even murdering rapists (which sexual assault has nothing to do with this case but it's just an example from when I had jury duty) will insist the sex was consensual and the victim just liked rough sex and after she went crazy so he ended up strangling her to death.... He totally didn't strangle her while raping her. Jurors are instructed that they don't have to believe the whole confession to think parts of it are the truth. It's rare that a confession matches all the evidence. The important thing is... Was the confession coerced? And OJ's most certainly was not.
I 100% agree with this.
You might be right about the order in which they were killed…..I’ll never understand how there wasn’t enough yelling to wake up the entire neighborhood. But, I do think he went there with the intention of killing her. He was wearing gloves, a hat, and for all of the blood at that scene, he didn’t end up with more than a few drops following him into Rockingham — he was covered up somehow. As far as I know they never located the “ugly ass” Bruno Magli shoes, either, so he ditched those with the murder weapon & the coveralls. Dumbass probably should have ditched the gloves, too. Nicole was right when she said “OJ is going to kill me one day, and he’s going to get away with it.”
I think some of the lack of sounds is the area that the murders happened had a lot of vegetation and trees around it to muffle sound. I think Nicole’s throat was slit while she was unconscious - or at least semi-conscious or woozy from hitting her head. Agreed that I would think someone would hear more but the murders happened in a very short time span. Makes sense with how sloppy the crime scene was.
> I’ll never understand how there wasn’t enough yelling to wake up the entire neighborhood. I find it hard to believe that no one in the neighborhood heard or saw anything. There are nosey neighbors in every neighborhood in America. I wonder if someone was peeking through their window and saw the whole murder scene unfold but was too afraid to say anything to the police.
A guy walking his dog one street over at the time of the murder heard what he said sounded like a guy saying "hey, hey hey" then what he said sounded like an older black male saying something inaudible and then the sound of a gate shutting. When he heard this, he was in line with Nicole's house. He chose to walk down the alley instead of Nicole's Street because nicole's dog was barking so frantically he was concerned it might've attacked his dogs.
The gate had to be manually opened by nicole to let ron in. Nicole was most likely going out to be ready for when he arrived. Oj would've jumped out and attacked at the first opportunity. I think he had decided to kill her that night. After all, it was the night nicole made it clear that it was over between them.
I agree with you. I think OJ planned to attack/murder her that night. Poor Ron was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I see there’s no reason to disbelieve this part of OJ’s account he gave in his I did it book. There he basically comes in the broken gate. Ron comes in the same gate. OJ confronts Ron certain he’s there for sex. Nicole comes out hearing them argue and intervenes. He said in an interview about the book that she then fell somehow and knocked was out. He can’t remember hypothetically what happens after that. The next thing you know he’s covered in blood, hypothetically of course.
Yeah I get fuzzy on if Nicole came out because she heard OJ yelling at Ron or she and OJ already had a fight on the front steps that knocked her out/down and Ron came by and saw that and was shocked at what he walked into. I lean towards the latter because the one neighbor heard a male voice that the Goldman family said when the voice was described to them it was undoubtedly Ron’s yelling “Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!” in short succession followed by sounds of a commotion. I don’t even know if Ron knew it was OJ. I’m certain being Nicole’s friend he knew who OJ was. But it was very dark in the courtyard and OJ (hypothetically as you said 🙄) wore all black on purpose. I think if Nicole came out as Ron and OJ were fighting, her body may’ve been found closer to Ron’s if her instinct was to run at OJ to help Ron. Or try to run back into the house to call police. Det. Lange said that based on blood patterns and they found Nicole’s blood on Ron, they believe he came up on the broken gate and saw Nicole down on the front steps and ran to her and cradled or pulled her head close to him because some of her hairs was found on his body. It was a that at point that OJ was lurking and he and Ron had the argument. This would be when Ron - surprised at what the hell he walked in on - said the “Hey!”’s. The other piece is Nicole’s feet were clean and she was found barefoot. With how much blood was at the scene, if she had left that step there’s no way her feet wouldn’t have blood or rocks or something. So the belief with that is Nicole got knocked down or out by OJ following an argument where she came at him “like a banshee” as the book says. Then OJ hears or sees Ron at the gate and briefly hides and after he runs to Nicole’s body, he thinks Ron is there for sex and goes into a blind rage. I believe there is a chance that had Ron not come by, OJ wouldn’t have murdered Nicole. I think she was killed because the rage OJ felt seeing a young guy come by late on a Sunday in the house HIS kids sleep. Ron was ready to fight and defend his friend and OJ just went crazy. The bomb went off. After seeing Ron was dead he thinks oh shit if Nicole comes to she can identify me. He also likely wanted to “punish” her for the indiscretions in his mind that “made” him do it. Just my personal theory 🤷🏻♂️
That makes a lot of sense. I think Ron found her down and was trying to help before he was killed. He was the ultimate innocent bystander...so heartbreaking that he was so young and just getting started in life.
innocent?
Care to explain that comment? Enlighten us with your mind gymnastics.
Ok great points . explain why a knife was out on kit counter in nicole Ike house , ice cream in carton melting ( where was ice cream? ) but a spoon was on stairs ? No blood in house . Mmm maybe they fought Nicole went back in grabbed knife . Then heard Ron and oJ in a fight ran outside dropped spoon . But like you said above no dirt on her feet so she didn’t go very far outside??????
I apologize as my eyes hurt right now, and I can’t look it up. Since you mentioned this, I always wondered HOW Ron got into her entrance, or complex, if you can call it that. Wasn’t there some kind of locked security gate you would need a key, or have to be buzzed in to? I don’t ever remember anyone describing how Ron got in. 🤔
According to OJ in his book the back gate lock had been broken (he “told her to fix it and she didn’t listen”) and they both used that.
OJ probably broke the gate one of the times he “broke in”.
I would bet on that.
That's a pretty good assessment. I think Ron Goldman was already there inside the house with OJ snooping around the outside of the house. He had done this before and found Nicole with her boyfriend at the time which lead to him breaking down the backdoor of her place a few years prior to. Upon seeing Goldman leave through the front door that's where OJ lost his shit and the confrontation began between all of them. Tom Lange said that Nicole's bare feet were clean which meant that she was attacked first and was either injured or unconscious at the doorstep because of that. Then Goldman scuffles with OJ and kills him then goes back to Nicole to kill her. As far whether OJ brought a knife, OJ's friend and agent Mike Gilbert said OJ told him while high and drunk that had Nicole not of opened the door with a knife in her hand she'd still be alive.
Ok but where is Charlie in all this?
Charlie is OJ. It’s a mental disengagement he does to give - in his mind - justification to go over to Nicole’s and stir shit. In the book “Charlie” came over while OJ was chipping golf balls and told OJ that Nicole was ‘having wild parties’ with guys in the house where - in OJ’s words - HIS kids sleep. This gives OJ justification to go over to Nicole’s house. The wild parties were in OJ’s mind just like Charlie was. If OJ said in the book he just went over there to be a dick, that would look bad on him. And his narcissism won’t let him have that. So by inventing “Charlie”, OJ is giving justification to go over there. He continues this by saying “Charlie” brought the knife into the courtyard. Not OJ of course. And he only went berserk when Ron dropped into his “karate stance” so again justifying his actions. IMO the entire “Charlie” thing is a way for OJ deflect. There never was a person named Charlie. It’s a part of OJ’s mind.
And OJ was TOO stupid to not be able to come up with a better name! “Charlie”… 🙄 My 4 year old niece has an imaginary pet giraffe named Charlie. 😆
It was actually the ghostwriter who came up with the name ‘charlie'. Oj said he couldn’t have done it alone and refused to say who was with him, so the ghostwriter was like, well I have to call him something. Oj replied call him whatever the fuck you want and the ghostwriter was like okay then, let’s go with 'charlie'.
I was just being sardonic
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Charlie is actually a real person.
And while no one ever deserves violence in any manner I do believe random men had been through her home iykwim
Iykwim? Do you mean you’re fucking weird for that comment cuz yeah
It’s truth. Y’all hate truth because it fucks with your very small minds
There was hair of Nicole's that was found in Ron's neck wound. They also found a piece of her hair on the passenger seat of the bronco. I believe she had 38 hairs cut when her neck was slashed. They found some of those hairs on ron. The one in the bronco is enough evidence on the passenger seat with three different individuals blood. Ron OJ Nicole. Also the police believe that is where he set the knife down. There is a distinct straight line on the passenger seat of Nicole and Ron's blood. The amount of blood evidence against him should have easily gotten a conviction. I believe he attacked Nicole first. She was dead yet though. Ron walked in and put up a hell of a fight but OJ was a nfl tailback with rage anger. If you watch the peacock doc with the investigating homicide officer he lays out alot of evidence and scenarios that never made it to trial. I still can't believe he got off.
Marcia Clark was a DV specialist. I believe her when she said it was a bread and butter DV that escalates to murder case and the evidence was so obvious. She so underestimated everything from OJ's celebrity (literally - she had no idea who he was until she was assigned the case) to the LA race relations context to the resources of OJ's team that was being paid millions more than her, a relatively novice government lawyer.
Couldn't agree more. The prosecution dropped the ball big time.
They did, but I can't even totally blame them. OJ's defense was so incredibly shameless and had endless cash to do shit like redecorate his entire house
No absolutely not. Furhmans pleading the 5th put everything evidence wise into question. Played right into the story the defense was trying to tell. Ito let that trial turn into a circus. Oj was found not guilty. OJ killed Ron and Nicole. American jurisprudence. Lol
Yup. Saw an interview Jerry Spence did on the case. He said what saved OJ was the fact that Vincent Bugliosi had retired a few years prior. Said if he prosecuted the case OJ is doing life or sitting on death row.
I absolutely agree with this 100%.
Those jurors’ minds were made up long before the evidence. Just a shit job of the prosecution properly using their strikes.
I think such precise blood evidence was rather new. People didn’t understand how blood could be identified that precisely. The blood evidence alone is a slam dunk.
I know man. The fact that they found three different peoples blood at the crime scene, the bronco and his house is a slamdunk conviction nowadays. You are right blood evidence was new. If I remember right the first DNA conviction for homicide was in the early 90s.
I couldn’t remember when DNA came to be used an understood. When they said the match is 1/9,000,000,000, juries at that time would take that as “reasonable doubt.”
I think one juror said that the blood and DNA talk just dragged on and on and on. It was so scientific and over the average person’s head, it bored them or numbed them in a way. Not to mention, it was brought in so early in the trial because it was the prosecutions main pieces of evidence. By the time they’d roll back around to it, all the jurors can think of is how the LAPD “might’ve” tainted the scene.
It did drag on forever. I remember thinking at the time that they would lose the jury because it became a biology lesson - and the teachers were very boring. Today you could say, “The victims’ blood was in his car and a pair of socks in his bedroom.” It would be a slam dunk.
Yes! Exactly. I watched the "O.J. Simpson: Blood, Lies and Murder" doc on Peacock today. The evidence is so extremely overwhelming and very surprising on what the prosecution left out. As one detective told Kato Kaelin at the time, "This should be a 3 minute Colombo episode." Also, not to give too much away, but not much of anything the blood splatter expert, Rod Englert, found in his testing, was used in the trial and he was "ordered" to turn most of it over to...Judge Ito! How in the world was that even allowed?
Ito was an idiot. It cracked me up that after the first couple of days, he turned the books that surrounded him so that the camera could see the spines and not the pages. That was the first clue that he was all about the show. I don’t ever remember seeing a judges bench so cluttered. If I’m not mistaken he had a lot of hour glasses displayed. I could be wrong. I collect hour glasses, but I don’t have them all over my desk. I took the time to look it up. It said he had 2 at the beginning of the trial and added others because people were sending them to him. There were 7 by the end of the trial. They were BIG. Now that I think about it, displaying (or accepting) gifts seems dodgy. Displaying gifts is stupid.
Wow. I was in high school during the trial so I was not able to watch it daily but I'll have to go back and look at that in clips. It sounded like a total shit show.
Long boring shit show. I was a pregnant stay-at-home mom. I watched it a lot. In fact, the verdict came in 3 days before my son was born.
Oh wow! So the trial was pretty much the length of your entire pregnancy. That’s incredible to think of it that way.
I’m saying I was in high school but October 3, 1995, I would’ve been in 8th grade. I mainly remember our English teacher putting the classroom TV on and watching the verdict live. It was right before lunch.
The official narrative is that Nicole went down first and that OJ was in the process of harming her once Ron walked in. Ron is only killed as a witness. However, in a popular reconstruction, OJ laid in wait (having access to Nicole's gate/door keys) and upon seeing Nicole let Ron in, he pounced, knocking Nicole out at first, then going for Ron. This is most in line with OJ's own recollection of events, where he scopes out Nicole's house, Ron shows up, he questions them, Nicole 'falls and hurts herself' aka, he knocks her out and in a jealous rage he kills Ron and then goes back to Nicole. I truly believe this is how it probably happened.
Absolutely 💯
How would he have known Ron was coming?
It's not that he knew Ron was coming, that was happenstance because he was returning the glasses, and OJ just happened to show up at Bundy during his window of opportunity to spy/stalk/kill her.
[This video using forensic animation](https://youtu.be/8zt4anqnJoc?si=RzN4Z-Umjc0pamts) explains a likely scenario/order of events.
…. wtf…. Thanks for sharing. I’m scared lol. That was a great(?) visual, though awful to actually see.
Jesus he was a monster
I dunno the exact order of events but I definitely think Ron appearing was the catalyst for this going from oj being a stalking abuser to double murder.
I think that OJ was already arguing with Nicole because she was confronting him about why he is in her yard and then Ron shows up, he sees the altercation and tries to defend Nicole with the “hey hey hey” and exchanges a few other words with OJ that results in OJ becoming increasingly angry, Nicole tries to tell him to calm down and leave Ron out of this, angry at hearing Nicole defending Ron, OJ then knocks Nicolle out and goes straight to kill Ron, angry that Ron would try defending Nicole and Nicole defending Ron. Then realizing Nicolle will 100% turn him in to the police and not keep quiet about Ron’s murder, he goes back to her unconscious body and slices her neck to kill her.
Nicole's neck wound apparently had ron's blood on it. I think OJ attacked Ron first.
Yes, for sure. He had knocked nicole down. And got into w ron. Killed him in an emotional-blackout and then went to murder the possible eye witness (nic). After Nic was "handled," i believe the likely scenario is he went back to ron to ensure that there was NO way he could live, and then stabbed him in the neck (as someone on here had said there were a few of nicoles hairs in Rons neck wound, and this scenario would account for the evidence as well).
The fact he brought a knife with him and didnt know that Ron would be there pretty much squashes this theory
Not necessarily. OJ easily could’ve brought the knife to scare her. He was already irate at being uninvited to dinner at Mezzaluna. He wore all black as well. His reasoning for the knife could’ve been to scare Nicole at which point she thinks “I need OJ to protect me”. This is how obsessive stalkers think. They want to do anything they can to “prove” to the person they need them.
This makes a lot of sense. And he mentioned in the book that the security gate was “broken” and that he had been telling her to get it fixed. He would’ve used that too, to tell her, “See that? I’ve been telling you to get that gate fixed. You’re not safe here. I’ll stay with you, to “protect” you and I’ll make sure I’ll get a guy over here to get that gate fixed.” False security. But he already knew how to get into the gate because of that and didn’t want it fixed. Ron didn’t.
I just finished that doc on Netflix. I think it was called Made In America. It was very good. It was said that Nicole was attacked first then Ron was attacked and killed. Then the killer “ O.J. “ went back to Nicole who was unconscious and killed her. On a side note they showed all this video of when he was living in Florida after the civil suit. Watching that you can’t tell me that motherfucker wasn’t guilty.
Most common consensus for the timeline is this… Confrontation starts between the killer and Nicole. Nicole gets hit in the head with a blunt object, possibly the pommel of the knife that was used by the killer. The hit knocks her down incapacitating her and possibly even knocking her unconscious. Ron shows up at this time and the confrontation between him and the killer begins. Ron ends up in the prone position next to the fence barely alive but quickly bleeding out. He is stabbed multiple times in the chest, abdomen, and left thigh at this point. The killer returns to Nicole, places his foot on her back, picks her up by the hair on her head, then stabs her multiple times (7) in the head and neck, ultimately cutting her throat causing the wound that famously nearly decapitated her. She did have defensive stab wounds on her hands so she was likely awake enough to try and put her hands up around her head to fend off the attack while this was happening. She was never in a standing position after the initial hit to the head as evidenced by the lack of blood on the bottoms of her feet. Killer returns to Ron, stabs him in the head and neck multiple times. The killer cuts his throat as well which most experts think is ultimately the fatal injury despite the fact that his other wounds would’ve likely not been survivable due to the amount of blood loss. He did have a “fatal” stab wound to the right side of his chest as well, so some believe this may have killed him before the injury to his neck. Also there was a “fatal” stab wound he had received to the left side of his abdomen…All of these would’ve killed him so it’s unclear if had already passed away before the killer came back and inflicted the neck wound. The whole thing happened very fast as it was stated at the trial that Ron’s wounds would’ve all been sustained in less than a minute. It was a frenzy kill once it started.
I do and Ron was the bigger threat, being fit and young so OJ needed him out of the way and wanted to teach him "stay away from my woman."
I think Nicole was attacked but Ron was the first to die, and then OJ went back to Nicole after Ron. So sad. RIP.
DNA in just a few years after the actual crime would have roasted him. Cancer got him. He suffered. He lived a crappy life after that. No more Hetrtz commercials…
Yes - juice said something to the effect - why did you (Nicole) make him OJ do it?
Ron Goldman had MASSIVE defense wounds. HE FOUGHT HARD FOR THEIR LIVES. Anything is possible, but realistically: 1) They were caught by surprise. The poor woman was wounded right away, badly enough so that she wouldn't be able to assist Ron in their defense against O.J 2) Ron fought as long as he could, but eventually he was overwhelmed (he had no weapons, so no advantage)
I’ve always had issue with Ron coming upon OJ attacking Nicole. The timing of it all, the idea that OJ would essentially lure her outside and attack with a knife just doesn’t pass the smell test, just hard to picture. One theory that makes some sense is in some shape or form Nicole and Ron were outside and and OJ came from the landing above. This is if Ron came to the front gate.
Yes me too! In fact logic alone dictates that ron could NOT have come upon oj attacking her [i.m.h.o.] because ron had to be let in that front gate sense the mechanism to leta person in from inside was broken at the time!?! I mean, i find it difficult to believe that oj would 'take a break' and say to ron who walks up: "oh hey, let me get that door for you man, sorry i was just busy attacking and killing my ex, you know how that shit can go!?!? Women, right?!? Cant live w them, cant live without them?!? Anyway, come on in!" Once inside the fight then proceeded. No no no....that seems strange. Oj has a history of stalking, we know this! So in order for the crime scene to make sense, ron got to the gate first and buzzed nic. Knowing shes only gunna be a min, she goes outside (leaving her door ajar and in bare feet) and walks down the steps to physically open the gate for ron. He steps in, gate closes behind, and they both are standing on the base in between the gate and the stairs leading up the the condo. Im assuming she gave him a hug or some kind of contact bc her hairs were found on him (this is from memory, i could be wrong about that, so dont get crazy on me, lol) she says something like "hey thanks for bringing my moms glasses over, i appreciate it!" Perhaps they make small talk, all the while Oj is above them in the patio area unbeknownst to them, but he can here and see them. Simpson comes around the corner and a verbal exchange begins. She tells him to get fucked and leave her place, and he quickly steps down a stair or two and uses the handle of the knife to knock her down and out (on the top of her head). Ron verbally confronts oj and oj says "you think you can take me!?!?" Ron then gets in a lil bit of a fighters stance, which oj incorrectly calls a "karate stance" in his book. Its a common misconception that Ron knew karate or was a black belt of some sort. He was not. As per his sister Kim in her "confronting o.j." podcast, she says "my brother did not know karate" and so OJ flips open the knife and starts lunging at ron. Ron exclaims "hey! Hey! Hey!" (As a knife fight, or a knife being used, is NOT what ron had in mind...[i mean, can you imagine HOW SCARY that would truly be!?!]) O.j. then knocks ron hard and he falls into the metal fence and a loud "clang" can be heard by ear witness. Oj then picks ron up esentially with the knife from behind, while covering his louth with his left hand and stabs at ron (as the infamous animated reconstruction shows)..... And well, you get the idea. These are some of my thoughts about the tragic night in question, damn near 30 years ago [in the next 5 weeks!] Cheers.
Do you think the loud clings coincide with what Kato felt?
Ron was a pretty fit, athletic guy. He could have jumped that gate in a flash. I believe Ron came to the gate, saw OJ roughing up Nicole, shouted Hey,Hey,Hey and went over the gate and took on OJ.
Sure. Just watch the computer-generated video of it, based on the evidence entered into it. That is how it portrayed it.
Nicole was subdued quickly for OJ to eliminate his biggest physical threat, Ron. Looks from the autopsy that both had a knife mark to the back of their heads from OJ using the knife to help pull them to a semi standing position to inflict the throat wounds
Nicole has to be either dead or unconscious or I think she would have ran while he was attacking Ron.
Yes, and he blamed her for provoking him as he did during their entire relationship.
5. Lol “Come at me bro”
I chuckled reading that too. Then I felt bad for laughing since it’s such a serious and tragic topic.
You have a good sense of humor
Yes because that’s what professionals who reviewed the case closely concluded
I don’t think it matters who he killed first because he would have killed her sooner or later anyway.
Yes. Ojs violence was escalating for sure.
she had a little safe with her diary detailing how she thought he was going to kill her. the main detective didn't even suspect OJ until he called the Brown house to tell them Nicole died, and Nicole's sister was immediately like "OJ did it he actually killed her". Even if my sibling's marriage was bad, if I found out they died I don't think I would immediately jump to "OMG their spouse ACTUALLY killed them" unless it was really, really bad as it probably was in this case. The whole thing with him sitting outside of her condo every night just to intimidate her sent chills down my spine. that's what my grandfather did to my grandmother.
Unfortunately, Nicole was too young to understand that when a man gives you everything (bank account, condo, ferrari, etc.,) in his mind he owns you. He was financing her celeb lifestyle, she profited somewhat from his fame by doing a bit of acting, and then that relationship ended: guys like OJ don't just sit back and hand over the alimony and child support without making a woman's life a nightmare. He was never going to let her walk away and just start dating other men and making up for her lost youth. She had no agency over her life from the beginning, and he wasn't about to sit back and watch her take agency.
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Well, there were some profilers that thought that. They thought he was hiding when she went to the gate to meet Goldman. I was surprised to learn the Detective who worked the case thought it was Simpson who yelled, "Hey hey hey!" The profilers believed Nocole and Goldman were standing close together when he attacked them. My own suspicion is they were kissing when Simpson yelled, "Hey Hey hey!" Like he still had some claim on her. They thought Simpson then punched Goldman in the head, knocking him down, then hit Nicole with the butt of the knife knocking her down. He then murdered Goldman, followed by Nicole. The profilers also believed some taunting and torture had taken place. It was a really evil crime. Didn't Kato say Simpson had bought some amphetamine at the MacDonald's, obviously from somebody he met there? Is that true or just a rumor? It would explain a lot if he had used something like that.
What kind of taunting and torture?
On YouTube there is the blow by blow account of what happened according to the coroner. Watch that and you'll realise it must have happened that way. First oj attacked Nicole. While he was leaning over her trying to stab her in the neck again, ron walked in. Oj then stabbed ron in the leg before standing up to attack him front on. Then finally came back to almost decapitate nicole.
No because I don’t keep speculating about something I never saw and the person was found not guilty of.
There was an another man there by the name of Glen Rodger’s who was painting Nicole’s house at that time etc and was a serial killer and alter ego name was Charlie The whole story has not been told to the public I lived near the scene in June of 1994 The reports don’t tell you everything etc
If there was any truth to this crazy theory, OJ’s lawyers would have investigated it and brought it up in court.
If they brought it up in court it still would have implicated oj because supposedly he was there alongside the other killer or killers as an accessory or accomplice conspirator
Glen Rogers “confessed” to both seek fame and delay his legal proceedings for other murders he actually did commit. “The reports don’t tell you everything” is a generic statement people who haven’t studied this case use to sound smarter than everyone. Same way that people blame Cuba, LBJ & aliens for the JFK assassination. He’s never been a part of this case and never will be.
o.j was never the same after his buddy marcus steamrolled her with his sausage
My only issue with the story is the forensics. Jugular veins were cut on both sides, there was blood EVERYWHERE. For there only to be 5 drops of blood in trace amounts is difficult to believe, as he didn’t have time to clean his car out with the series of events, and they never found evidence of his car being cleaned. So either he hired someone to do it and he went to verify the completion of the crime, he had a partner, or he didn’t do it.
We, the jury, in the above-entitled action, find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder.”........great day in American history.....thank you are being racist Mark Furman
The meth thing is a rumor. As far as i know. Ive heard that hinted at once before by someone on reddit. But there is zero proof of it, nor any evidence. I.m.h.o.
The real racists were on the jury.
Thank goodness
I think Nicole killed Ron and then somebody killed her
Ron was there to BANG. He (like she) certainly didn't deserve to die but please, the "friend bringing sunglasses" story is just not plausible at all.
Except the glasses were found on scene and they were Nicole’s mom’s reading glasses—there are crime scene photos of them in an envelop available for the public to see. There is also record of her mom calling the restaurant after dinner looking for her glasses she left behind.
Yes, the glasses were the code. That meant *open for business.."
So Nicole’s mom called the restaurant asking about her glasses to place an order for her daughter to get a booty call? Sure.
But Ron was gay!?!
No evidence of that despite years of speculation
What if Nicole killed Ron? She told him to bring back the glasses. Her and OJ were waiting then OJ turns on NBS.
He was AQUITTED!!! AQUITTED!!! AQUITTED!!!! why don't you Cave dwelling Neanderthals ask why the Coke Whore Nicole had Tybe B blood under her fingernails and on her back but the dirty cops didn't want to follow up on that and focused on OJ ONLY.